Week 3 Update- Elizabeth Holmes/ Theranos Trial Update- Real Lawyer Explains

Another action-packed week in the Elizabeth Holmes trial, in this trial update Pete Sartes explains all of the legal drama and tactics. He answers the top questions from our ongoing coverage of this Theranos case and gives you insights on what is likely ahead.
Key testimonials this week included a patient of Elizabeth Holmes’ Theranos, Brittany Gold. Also, a nurse named Adra Zachman and former employee Surekha Gangakhedkar testified. This scientist who may have immunity testified to present some interesting new insights. Join us on this ongoing review of the Elizabeth Holmes trial, got questions? Ask us in the comments and join the dialog.
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🚨Correction: Sunny Balwani is COO not CEO!
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[@mtiamzon]

I really hope Holmes will take the stand in her defense. I would love to hear which voice she will use.

[@Ratlins9]

Thanks Manny, your sharp comment gave me a good laugh.

[@heathercoon3451]

Me too. I wonder since it seems she had a baby to get sympathy from the jury, she may try a softer, higher pictched mommy voice.

[@irgski]

She’s pregnant so will want the jury to feel sorry that her baby’s momma will be a jailbird…

[@artfan3118]

You will see a marked change in her personality as she pretends to be an innocent, abused, dreamer!

[@allyourcode]

@@heathercoon3451 The baby might not be a strategic move. From the jury's point of view, having a baby right before going to trial is NOT what a good parent would do. If that is how they think, then having a baby would end up working AGAINST her. I'm willing to withhold judgement on whether she timed her baby as a way to gain sympathy from the jury. If she did do it for strategic legal reasons, it could have been to buy more time. Having a baby as a delay tactic doesn't seem likely to me though.

[@meiwa2020]

I have been so obsessed with this case and have listened to SO many videos/documentaries on it that my husband was so sick of them but when I played one of your videos he actually didn't want me to leave the room because he felt like you had content that was really well discussed. Thank you!!! Please keep it up!!!

[@RM-ke3zm]

You should really read the book about this case, Bad Blood by John Carreyrou

[@kayhicks8704]

I can’t believe how obsessed I am too! I’m in the UK and knew nothing of this scandal a month ago, now I know everything about it and can’t get enough, it’s so interesting!

[@janetownley]

In other words, he finally paid attention for a minute or two

[@meiwa2020]

@@janetownley lol he listened to the dropout podcast with me and then zoned out with the rest of the things I listened to/ watched but I always feel like each podcast/documentary has something i didn't hear before lolll but my hubby just wasn't that crazy to rehash like 90% of things until now where he even requested i send him the link to the latest! That's a BIG compliment to this channel in my book! Lolll

[@meiwa2020]

@@kayhicks8704 I've been obsessed since the podcast by ABC News called The Dropout. So good! But this legal breakdown is really really great as I love to know a lawyers perspective and pete is doing an amazing job of keeping things understandable but from an angle I could never have. Love it!

[@sylviadurham4918]

Hi Pete 👋 Sincerely appreciate your coverage of this case… I am shocked at how little press and interest there is… please keep up your excellent coverage!!! A big thank you!! 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

[@christieomojo]

I agree there has been little media interest. I think the whole thing has taken so long to get to court 6 years in total , people have naturally moved on. Also the court not allowing filming and limited access to the court room, it's just a hassle for journalists to keep up with for 3 months.

[@seanferguson5460]

I'm really enjoying your play-by-play. I never get tired of this story.

[@janetownley]

Hehe.. I hear that

[@wazza-au]

Same here. Please keep doing these responses!

[@peter12246]

"First they think you're crazy. Then they fight you. And then, all of a sudden, they indict you."

[@janetownley]

I’m going to keep a count of how many times this tiresome joke is made

[@peter12246]

@@janetownley Let me know please lol

[@bigfilsing]

The fact she is using the "beaten oppressed partner" as a defense suggests she recognizes the crimes committed Other wise why offer any defense at all. Just praying the jury realizes what complete utter BS that defense is. Not only is trying that route a disgrace to people who genuinely suffer such oppression and violence but it insults the general publics intelligence. I cant wait for the "my voice got deeper" due to karate chops to the throat. Start to finish , top to bottom, the woman's a fraud. Oh and thanks for taking the time to explain the various legal concepts in plain English. Much appreciated

[@johnc2438]

That means she wasn't a "strong woman" in the first place but just an oppressed, weak woman compelled to do the bidding of the bad MAN.

[@kenlandon6130]

@@johnc2438 She wasn't though...

[@alistairbalistair9596]

female priv always works

[@AmitPatel_.]

Thanks for the content. This is a really great way for a layman to follow what's going on.

[@artfan3118]

👍

[@Ratlins9]

Really enjoying this in depth coverage of the trial, great job!

[@Fireman9ify]

I think that is the most disturbing part of the whole thing is that holmes was aware the testing may not have been accurate and went public with it. I know the investors may have been duped, but the moral implications of inaccurate testing on top of e everything else.

[@reinplat]

"Edison machine" sounds like the kind of name a bunch of nerdy chemistry club kids would come up with in a Seth Rogen movie script.

[@ramzibergman6239]

For the grandiose project that she claimed to embark on it was an understandable choice of name. A name that symbolises (American) innovation. Somewhat similar to Tesla and the Tesla car.

[@nanaprt61]

The only comprehensive coverage of what the media is dubbing the “trial of the century” can only be found on this channel. Thanks for breaking everything down.

[@kenlandon6130]

There's too much other important stuff going on rn. R Kelly trial just wrapped up. Pandemic, wildfires, floods, infrastructure talks in Washington, climate summits, etc. absorbs all the media's attention.

[@real_lynnblades]

If you've read the book, Theranos also paid a SF lawyer $1000/hr. to go after any dissident, whistle blower. What's his culpability?

[@killaken2000]

Boies, one of Theranos' lawyers, was also given stock in Theranos so he had a financial stake in making sure dissident/whistle blowers where silenced. What's his culpability? even if there is culpability there's rarely ever anything more than a finger wag or stern letter in terms of punishment.

[@bfg1836]

I’ve seen Tyler Schultz’s interviews on Yourube. He has no problem publicly pointing out his grandfather is an idiot and how Tyler was treated.

[@DMott-yk1cc]

Totally agree with this. He has been a guest speaker on this topic just as much, if not more than Erika Cheung and has a deposition video online. He'll definitely testify.

[@lornarettig3215]

Good - I was disgusted by the behaviour of that ridiculous old man.

[@Inkling777]

George Schultz did treat his grandson very badly, but I'd modify that 'idiot' remark to say that, while George Schultz did have a brilliant career in business, academia and as Secretary of State, he was by that point very old. Some people, when they age, loose their critical thinking skills and are easily duped. Scam artists often target them for schemes like extended car warranties. We may all be in such a situation near the end of our lives, so we need to be gentle with such people.

[@rideordis810]

The patients should have been told that Theranos was in beta test phase. Informed consent. But Elizabeth Holmes massive ego got in the way of patient rights. I hope she gets convicted on all counts.

[@wandatorres9967]

Taylor is one of the original heroes that stood against this racketeering. He was wickedly harassed and persecuted. He should testify

[@dr.garyhatcher8364]

Tyler will testify. It is clearly in his nature and his ethics.

[@markmalbone1147]

I agree. Seems in him that he will.

[@MarkH10]

He has made detailed public statements where he was the only subject of the interview. Very informative. His own Grandfather ambushed him at George's home with a Thernaos Company Attorney, trying to get him to sign a muzzle agreement. Now you tell us he also served on the board of a company which paid over %150k to investigate his own grandson.

[@Trickboy36]

Yes I think he had to pay somewhere in the neighborhood of $400,000 in legal expenses to defend himself against Theranos lawyers. In my opinion he’s paid for the privilege to testify.

[@Trickboy36]

Hearing the explanation of derivative immunity makes me wish Canadian prosecution had this at their disposal when Karla Homolka testified against Paul Bernardo.

[@NancyStClair-cr2mi]

I agree with K Stacey - Tyler will testify. He seems to be a conscience- driven young man and will be willing to participate in seeing justice served.

[@matthiasmaiwald8236]

In the medical community, including the medical laboratory testing community, there is not just an obligation to not lie, there is also a duty of care, in order to make sure that what one does is safe and accurate/appropriate. The CEO of such a lab has that duty of care, and "the buck must stop" with her. If and when subordinates bring to her attention that there were problems with the tests, and if and when, in response, there is not just inaction, but action to intimidate and silence employees that bring the problems to her attention (and it is pretty clear that this happened here), that is certainly when one must reasonably argue that there was intention to put patients into harm's way, and secondarily (by way of the roll-out) to defraud patients, medical professionals and investors.

[@lag757]

Tyler was in the documentary on HBO so I don’t see why he wouldn’t. Btw, Holmes makes me sick. You coverage is awesome. I’m definitely subscribing.. ty for keeping it objective. I obviously am past the point of objectivity following this so closely over the years.

[@bellezanegra0206]

I definitely think Tyler is going to testify. He was instrumental in bringing all of this to light.

[@davemarques9601]

I agree, I don't think this guy is fully informed on the situation around the trial, but is trying to bring in expertise from a trial-procedure standpoint

[@crskirk]

I like these. Please keep doing them. I've been interested in this case since I listened to the audio book Bad Blood. I think Schultz will testify. Elizabeth is not a victim.

[@PungiFungi]

Very telling that the vast majority of people who never heard of Holmes, when they started doing research on the story, came away having a very negative opinion of this woman. I am one of them. I cannot wait for her to hit the slammer. Watch her hold her mother's hand then.

[@janetownley]

Ya think

[@sassynana5201]

I hope the hasty marriage, orchestrated to produce a hasty baby, doesn’t influence the jury the way she’s hoping. As an aside: I’d hate to be that child.

[@ahmedalshami589]

I hope she gets 25 year jail

[@rockyBalboa6699]

I'm wonder if Ms Holmes used her own Edison machine to test her Pregnancy!!

[@kenlandon6130]

Kid is gonna have a rude awakening when they grow up...

[@alistairbalistair9596]

female privilege in a gyno-centric court system surely will help her

[@k.stacey7389]

I’d bet Tyler testifies. Wouldn’t bet a lot, but if our $20 on that. He’s pretty invested in this whole takedown and has already been extremely public about it.

[@feedyourhead731]

Yeah he's very composed and credible.

[@janesmith9024]

He has been extremely good. I saw him on a film describing how hard it was to go to his grandfather with his concerns. I am admire him very much for doing the right thing. Whether they need him in this case though is another matter. Sometimes you just need a few witnesses rather than loads saying the same thing which just wastes the court's time.

[@jelef001]

But in the documentary he has expressed how he hates putting his family through stress so maybe he won’t.

[@peterjones9087]

He also was a whistle blower when under threat of litigation. If he was brave enough then, why wouldn't he be brave enough now. In the book it describes how his grandfather went totally against him, massively damaged their relationship - he was literally saying Elizabeth is a genius you are an idiot. Can you imagine! Why would he not testify to protect the grandfather who didn't protect him.

[@yourinnerlawyer4035]

If he doesn't I'm gonna be pissed off.

[@randomnik70]

Thanks much! This is probably the best coverage of this trial on KZbin.

[@vernefits1953]

Excellent update

[@marcomac8824]

Really enjoy your cover of this case. Thanks.

[@FadoWind]

Please keep doing these videos I get excited every time I see the notifications, can't wait for the jury's decision.

[@jperry2240]

I read Bad Blood and have been listening to podcasts and news coverage of this. Your updates are very informative. Thanks for covering it.

[@manchitas3531]

Keep doing these analysis! I am hoping Tyler testifies. He is a hero responsible for saving only gawd knows how many lives. Went through pure hell and he deserves his moment of justice. As for Elizabeth, I find it very irresponsible and possibly manipulative to go and get herself pregnant during a time like this. Even at the moment, that baby is being stressed by the absence of his mother when he needs her the most. But I hope the jury and the judge will look beyond that to bring on justice and teach a strong lesson in the industry that you do not fake data. Especially not in health related matters.

[@Paula-po9kx]

Thank you Peter. Please keep us informed on the case, I find it so interesting.

[@benatural1306]

Love this content, please keep it coming!

[@rfugy]

Thank you for this update. Please continue.

[@prasunchoudhury8711]

I feel Tyler Schultz will likely testify but let’s see how this goes. Thanks for providing a summary of weekly updates. Being a person with scientific background I was familiar with the flimsy testing procedure at Theranos. But it’s great you are describing it from a legal perspective which I have no clue about!

[@athena7793]

Tyler was the original whistle-blower, so he will most likely testify

[@davidjma7226]

They can just subpoena him

[@RaquelsFoodDiary]

I just automatically search for your videos and ignore the news outlets. Thank you for your summary, insights and explanations.

[@MsDoxma]

I can't believe walgreen's would use a device that is not FDA approved. That makes absolutely no sense .

[@GeoCalifornian]

Silly comment, when vaccines were forced on the entire nation without FDA approval. /Lonewolf Liberties

[@ALevelBusinessStudies]

thanks for the executive summary without the bias.

[@tengallonhat2741]

Thank you for covering the Elizabeth Holmes trial. I'm a new subscriber!

[@allyourcode]

I am irritated that Schultz might be excused from testifying due to the privilege of his birth. Also, I don't see the point of his family blocking him. It is ALREADY very public what he WOULD say if he testified. Therefore, what "protection" can the Schultz family gain by stopping Tyler from testifying?? My guess is that he would be happy to testify.

[@shanemcgurk7896]

Really enjoying these as well

[@3catmom844]

I love your explanations. You make the legal-eze easy to understand.

[@rhosllwyd2863]

Excellent! Keep going please!

[@bettycherniak1168]

Thank you for the excellent summary!

[@shaunkeegan]

Thanks for these videos. Super interesting. Not that much coverage in the UK. Keep em' coming!

[@FunnyFallGuy]

Wow, your explanation is really in depth yet very easy to understand! I like how you speak fast enough so I can stay focused and at the same time, you explain everything really thoroughly. The format is great, too (answering questions at the end). Thank you!

[@paulmc3457]

Bravo! Excellent detailed description of exactly what is going on, and the potential repercussions. I'm actually surprised your literally the only one that is covering her court trial, and we're thankful that you are! 👏 👏 👍 ✊

[@amoshtael1844]

Good job! Very well explained. Very interesting. Thanks

[@amyc6334]

You are great at explaining the Elizabeth Holmes trial and I would like to hear your thoughts on outcomes, etc.

[@HorseWithNoName1993]

Excellent rundown!!

[@lorim.1528]

Really great commentary, please keep reviewing the trial! Yes, I believe Tyler will testify.

[@jessicabowles4777]

As a clinical lab student I've been really interested in this case. You explain a lot of the legal aspects so I can understand the proceeding side a little better. Thank you for these analysis vidoes!

[@johntenhave1]

Terrific content! Very insightful!

[@paulalbert6646]

I am enjoying your analysis very much. Thank you for doing this.

[@k.stacey7389]

Walgreens shouldn’t have gotten a dime. They were so blindsided by their greed they ignored their own expert’s warnings.

[@marytrujillo8433]

100% agree! They should have listened to the lab director they hired to vet the instrument!

[@tazzinnc]

Great review..

[@lovebunnykaz]

I love these videos ! I want to keep up with the trial !

[@Evolve_with_jen]

I love this story. So fascinated with how a 19 year old college dropout can get elderly white men who are intelligent give so much money on no proof? She is a narcissist and needs to go to jail. But man am I fascinated

[@community1854]

Thanks. This is great.

[@jkeister]

Great update. Keep going on this please.

[@reinaldoremedios5771]

Great work. Hands down this channel is the best source to follow this trial.

[@davidwashington4282]

These videos are so good. Continue !

[@exposeituntilyoumakeit9057]

You did a super great job ! Just keep going on !! 👍👍

[@perspgold8945]

omg that couch looks so comfortable

[@douglasmccart8963]

The most concise analysis I’ve seen brilliant really enjoying it. Thanks Doug

[@sjoerdglaser2794]

Question: Do you know or can you speculate on why that woman was granted that very special kind of immunity?

[@Slammy555]

She would be the one to know absolutely that the machine didn't and couldn't work. Probably big in the prosecution's plans.

[@Inkling777]

They are going lighter on the little fish in order to make sure they get the big fish. Glad to see that happening. All too often today the little fish get punished while the big fish swim serenely away.

[@jumpermode]

WOW! This was so informative & had me stuck like GLUE !! You are an amazing "reporter" (😉) & rock at keeping the audience engaged !! MORE, MORE, MORE PLEASE!!

[@smnx127]

Thanks for this breakdown 👌🏽

[@ryanturner9509]

This is fascinating

[@calvinthebold99]

Your summaries are of much value to me. I watched so many hours of interviews and documentaries in the last 2 years, so I really need to see how it all ends. Elizabeth should go to jail, if most of the things in the documentaries are true.

[@urvashipatel5214]

So true... i am from india n this wld make a great webseries... but seriously i think elizabeth had a great idea n wanted to be known as a pioneer...thats also ok...one can dream to b great she was very convincing only problem was only she and balwani knew that they had a half hatched plan..n very trying very hard to make it work.. but they got caught.where's the money?

[@jstewart8593]

You’re the next best thing to cameras in the courtroom. Thanks!

[@katieh193]

This is a prime example of one of the reasons why health care is so expensive in this country. There's a lot of fraud and greed in that industry.

[@joevignolor4u949]

Elizabeth Holmes and Sunny Balwani were clueless with regards to how to run a high tech company trying to develop very complex and groundbreaking technology. For one thing management should not angrily attack people who step forward and warn them about problems. Instead legitimate problems need to be acknowledged and corrected. Also, you cannot create an environment of secrecy within the organization. Instead effective communication is critical to allow a coordinated, unified effort.

[@lizsays3324]

That's just common sense for running any type of company or being a boss in any position.

[@joevignolor4u949]

@@lizsays3324 Well apparently it was above these two.

[@fp1912]

Please keep doing these!!

[@gshot4878]

great break down thank you!

[@fabulouswoman5068]

Please continue. This is great content.

[@Kawiboy]

We appreciate ya doin these Sir 👍 👊😉.. Regards, Old G

[@danielskraaldanielskraal4137]

I am going to follow you. Concise and well explained 👍

[@somishows2020]

yes, please continue your commentary as the trial continues. Super interesting and informative!

[@LunaSimtea]

Great video--awesome content and explanations!

[@jameshidalgo2020]

Excellent videos on this case tells me everything that's going on once again excellent work

[@andreasandroutsellis-theot3255]

What happens if Holmes is acquitted on the grounds that Balwani is the real culprit and then Balwani is acquitted on the grounds that Holmes is the real culprit? [Fantastic video analysis, btw!]

[@ashleyp6591]

Good question!

[@terrystephens1102]

Thanks for a very comprehensive review of the trial and I look forward to the next update.

[@waqasleo315]

yes, that is really good. , and please make sure you will report all the development, I really like your video and I am sharing this with my friend circle.

[@francisco-lg2bi]

excellent breakdown of trial - highlights and low lights! much appreciated.

[@billmaxwell3338]

Good job. Let the sunshine in. Facts are facts--no matter what Elizabeth said,

[@smedleyhverovhe8919]

Thanks for your reporting and analysis. New subscriber here.

[@iMatti00]

I’ve heard there’s no cameras in federal court rooms but I absolutely have seen federal hearings that were recorded online. It was an appellate three judge panel, and I think I even saw one that was in an appellate en bank panel.

[@bev9708]

Thank you so much for making these videos!! Very interesting indeed!!

[@JustMe-pl4ej]

Thank you!

[@marcdraco2189]

These are great Mr Sartes, I love how you get to the point and not brag about how amazing you are (I think a lot of people know who I'm referring to, ugh I cannot stand "I'm am the best, look at me" braggadocio). I'm guessing Holmes might try the "Poor me, I'm so sorry and I'm a new wife and mother. Sunny beat me up until I caved" defense. I hope she does in fact, because they jury will see right through that and send her away for 20 years. It's not fair on that poor child, but there are only two people to blame here and Holmes is the main one.

[@mgt1429]

I predict Elizabeth Holmes will be found guilty but will ultimately not spend nearly enough time in prison because of her status as a new mother. During her sentencing hearing the judge will probably show leniency and cut her time by far more than she deserves.

[@ryanfgrantjr3009]

I heard Holmes had a baby a year or so ago. Hard to think she got preggers so that someday if found guilty, she would be a new ish mother of an infant plus the fact all these crimes fall into white collar corporate crime, and with those 2 big items, sadly I think she won't be put in the prison

[@a.quetim6738]

Wow, thank you for explaining.

[@a.quetim6738]

I have a question: Why can't we (the public) watch this case?

[@pavanatanaya]

So, as near as I can tell (Not being a medical professional) , is that the Edison Machine is basically a crane grab game at Walgreens.

[@janetownley]

Uh, no… no. No. And an ordinary non-medical person could make a more accurate statement. Certainly a wittier one.

[@pavanatanaya]

@@janetownley Thanks Karen I guess what I wrote is an insult to the integrity of crane grab games everywhere

[@mobwatch8119]

Thank you.

[@nancysteen9111]

Is this an ad for your couches because they are featured most in your video?

[@sitruc5317]

Love your coverage of the trial!

[@MrBrownnn696]

What a story.

[@julietberry1920]

Fascinating to get your expert legal insight on the trial and the whole affair, thanks! Also for giving balanced impartial information. I have a question (or 2) about the jurors. 1. In the end did the court select only people who had really never heard of Theranos or EH? Or who had only a passing acquaintance with the case? You would have to have been living in a cave for the last few years not to know anything at all about it! 2. Second question (hope it's not dumb!) I've heard the jurors aren't allowed to discuss the case or the testimony between themselves, correct? But are they also forbidden to access the media (TV, podcasts, papers, etc) for the duration of the trial? If so, how can that be enforced? Are they kept in isolation in a special facilty (quarantine style)? Thanks!

[@nigolt.4345]

Excellent Work A+++

[@gilliankingspeaks]

There's a Netflix series?! So Fascinated by this trial. Normally, I don't bother with the trial, I just wait for the verdict, but this is so fascinating, I think I'll follow the trial through this channel. Thanks so much for your updates. Quick question though, isn't the fact the Chung's testimony mentions Tyler an indication that he will testify? Otherwise what she said he said would be hearsay. I know she has the emails, but in an English Court, (I studied at the bar here🇬🇧 ) he would still have to take the stand to verify what Chung said and he would also have to authenticate his part of the the email conversation. Is this not the case in US federal law? Just curious. Many thanks for your great videos. Also love the sketches. It's how it's done in the UK too, no cameras allowed anywhere.👍🏽👍🏽

[@edgehodl4832]

sir, thank you for explanation, i am very interested in this trial and will def follow your channel

[@neanda]

Yes keep doing these videos, I like the way you come across and your relaxed delivery. One question, why aren't the investors suing her?