Weekend workshop 1: TomTom 6200 Go battery replacement boredom

[@gillbird6069]

Thanks for the video. It helped me see how to take the front cover off my 6200. There were no screws holding it on though. When I took the cover off it was much simpler than yours. The pcb was much smaller and the battery was uncovered. Just needed to unhook the battery, pull it out (it’s held in place with double sided sticky tape - how Blue Peter!), connect the new one, new piece of tape to hold it in place and clip back the front cover. Wonderful.

[@richardburgess6040]

I've just started doing repair cafe here in Cardiff, it's a great idea, and for 3 hours of my time once a month it saves loads of stuff going to landfill. Couldn't fix a massive dewalt radio last weekend though, got it to power up which was more than it did when the chap brought it in. Fixed loads of lamps though! Keep up the good work!

[@dsesuk]

Thanks Richard, and good luck with the repair cafe. We've saved a few things from the scrapheap over the past eighteen months!

[@GordonjSmith1]

Wonderful to hear about your work at a 'repair cafe'. There is a wonderful one in Copenhagen, very popular, and very social. 'Fixing', and avoiding 'wasting' is a profound benefit to us all. Bravo you.

[@dsesuk]

It's a worthy endeavour, and many items have been saved from the scrap-heap with a little attention! Even if we can't fix something, some people just want to know they tried all they could before having to write-off an item.

[@-----dlonra]

On the Tomtom 6200 with wifi you can change the battery without having tot turn a single screw. Just take of the front screen as shown, pull the battery connector loose. Change the battery. Plug in the connector of the new battery. Click the front in place. Few minutes work no tool needed other then to loosen and take of the front.

[@TheDefpom]

I do a lot of repairs, I also agree that people should be trying to fix things, I really dislike the incredibly wasteful throwaway society the world is becoming

[@dsesuk]

I used to like messing about with electronics, but these days components are so small and include customised chipsets that makes it difficult for Joe Average to diagnose and repair. There are plenty of household items that can be saved from the scrapheap for the sake of a new plug/lead/battery etc. if someone is willing to give it a go. I regret not learning electronics in my college days and being able to get right into the guts of things like you do.

[@profilewardrobes]

Hi David , thanks for the great detail. My 6200 doesn't have any screws on the outside of the case to remove to access the internals, any thoughts?

[@craigevans9617]

I'm looking forward to the follow-up rant about having to buy a new van after the cable mod burns it down in the summer sun.

[@dsesuk]

The burning van video will be posted on KZbin when it happens.

[@petcatznz]

Thanks for your video. Your new battery is meant for the GO6100 GPS. I have just replaced the exact same battery in my GO6100 for the same reason as you replaced yours. I suspect the five pin connector is provided to facilitate balanced charging of multiple cells in that lithium pack. My old battery is approx five years old so it’s done well. As excess heat is a known lithium battery killer, I intend to put a homemade sunshade behind the GPS in my car to see if that increases the life of the new battery at all. It looks like TomTom have virtually dropped out of the navigator industry here in NZ, which is a pity as their devices are some of the best on the market. I will be trying to keep mine going as long as possible.

[@dsesuk]

Thanks for the info. Two years on and the TomTom is still working on this replacement battery. Most commenters seem to think I'm mad not using my phone and Google Maps, but I like the dedicated SatNav always being there in the van and always being ready to go.

[@davenorth1265]

Driving to a petrol station! I remember doing that, also back in the day i regularly drove to train stations to look at the map they have on the wall. Also they have taxi's there so if the wall map fails you then you can ask them.

[@imark7777777]

Another good place to ask is a pizza places or anywhere that delivers. Although I've never repeated what my parents did asking for McDonald's in a Burger King or vice versa.

[@nostromo332]

F.Y.I the sat nav inside the van can be updated even if its fixed into the dash, you use a usb -- there should be a port inside the vehicle to plug it into, i had a Toyota Auris you got the code off the unit display then went online to download the maps using the code number. then plug the usb into the vehicle using the menu buttons.

[@ollydearden]

Had the same. Battery was shite immediately. I think I always had it wired in.

[@dsesuk]

Yeah, mine is always connected, the battery kicks in when the ignition is off and puts it in a low power standby mode. I guess it gets a lot of cycling which isn't good for it.

[@JayTheSparky]

Totally agree about how Sat Navs and phones have now come so far and you take it all for granted. I remember going to see mates an Uni in the early 2000s and heading from Surrey to Nottingham and having to print the directions of the AA website and when a Phone was for calling and texting. Then as you say Sat Navs and IPhones came long and you’d never drive that way now. I use my phone with Waze and basically totally rely on it and use it to stream the radio to the van as I don’t have a DAB and WhatsApp is used for everything...my phone has a breakdown the other week and wouldn’t reboot (I’d probably filled it with far too much porn to be honest) and I was lost...no emails, drawings for jobs, Radio or Sat Nav as it was all ok my phone! Worryingly it showed how easily we become a slave to technology and are lost without it when we take it for granted and rely on it too much! Another great video David, keep up the good work old bean 👌🏻👍🏻

[@dsesuk]

I quite agree Jay, it's so easy to become reliant on this Star Trek technology in one's pocket! I don't have DAB either, so we tend to stream radio in the van as we otherwise only pick up Heart, Capital or Free Radio which are all interchangeable in terms of kiddie music, inane presenters and too many adverts, or we have Radio1 which serves black teenagers in London or Radio2 which is presented by an array of massive wankers. We used to listen to 6Music, but that also went down the wank presenter route. Sorry, I'm venting here.

[@JayTheSparky]

David Savery Electrical Services It’s quite scary really! I think the worst part of it all was having to go to the iStore and sit there with all these wankers, wanking over the latest Apple Tec and be condescend too by a 20 year old hipster carrying an iPad telling me how it’s so important to back it up each day and look after your phone and I was trying to tell her look I’ve got near on 100 spots to cut out in this job and all the drawings are on my phone, yes, I’m a monumental bellend and didn’t email them to myself because I’m a lazy bastard and forgot but can you just make it work and stop with the spiel please? Agreed modern radio is absolutely dog shite! I only listen to absolute and radio x and even the I moan about them! It’s a constant battle to get on site before any other trade and get the radio on because If Radio one goes on with the spunk trumpet presenters and even worse “Music” I literally want to take my own life 🤣 Glad you got your Tom Tom working, I had the same issue but many moons ago now and when the second one went to pot I lazily just threw it out and another spark told me about Waze which is all I use now...apart from it’s single point of failure that your phone has to work to use it which is fine...all the time it works 🤣

[@jasonnorth3216]

@@dsesuk im actually trying to replace battery on my 6200 but this conversation has just restored my faith in humanity ,

[@jasonmorgan7807]

Hi mate my tomtom doing same as yours used your video and shaped battery , was working but cutting on and off ,after battery swap won't come on at all , any ideas

[@steverpcb]

You either need a proper spudger as used by Big Clive, an iSesamo, or a proper knife as used for mailbag by EEVblog :)

[@dsesuk]

I do lack a good spudger, it must be said.

[@robinturner2300]

Steve Perry can’t recommend an iSesamo highly enough, I also got the mini one as an offer... very thin and strong tips.

[@caskwith]

My Garmin battery is also very poor, same goes for my dashcam battery. Seems to be in car devices that have crap batteries. FWIW my fairly cheap Garmin gets traffic updates using the charging cable as a radio antenna, seems to work very well.

[@brianharper8304]

having a break from the special brew David?

[@williammartinculleton7523]

Well done , interesting , please let us know how long the battery lasts, many years I hope 👍

[@1994WAdam]

Scrap it and use google maps it even tells you when people have marked speed cameras/congestion/accidents etc nowa days 👌 love the content btw

[@Batfastard86]

Its a battery that is suitable for multiple models. You could have just plugged it in. The model of sat-nav you have has power connections on certain pins, other models have the power connections on other pins.

[@dsesuk]

The connector wouldn't physically fit I don't think, although I'd have to open it up again to be sure.

[@user-sg1ku5hu5d]

@@dsesuk Go on open it up again... compelled curiosity.. it is likely the plug was multi-functional... I was willing you to try it too :-)

[@dsesuk]

@@user-sg1ku5hu5d Dammit, now I've had to open it again to take a look! I can confirm that the connector on the PCB will only accept the three-pin plug. For the five-pin to fit, the sides of the connector would have to be cut out which would be fiddly.

[@Batfastard86]

@@dsesuk Thats a shame. from the video it looked like it would fit.

[@user-sg1ku5hu5d]

@@dsesuk You really opened it up again? :-) Curiosity killed the Tomtom you know... and you'd want to kill me and James if it had... Now if you check the 5 pin connector you'll notice it does actually fit... Check it out

[@SproutyPottedPlant]

The battery does have to put up with lots of heat and cold maybe, I wonder if that’s what kills them so quick.

[@dsesuk]

A good point, and it's also cycled a lot. It gets short charges per journey, then is powered by the battery in standby mode until the next time. Three years is probably quite good considering the temperature extremes and the way it is used.

[@bikerchrisukk]

If anyone else did this video, I wouldn't bother. I like to try to fix things whenever possible, mainly to save waiting around for delivery of replacement parts. My dad's mobility scooter died last week, I strangely like to get the soldering iron out and fixing the frayed wire connected to the 'ignition'. Nicely done sir, and haha, nice grey box in top right, may be do a gentle tear down! 👍

[@dsesuk]

Cheers Chris! The grey box's first appearance on the 'Tube! Hopefully not the last if I can find somewhere to stick it!

[@bikerchrisukk]

@@dsesuk Welcomo David! It looks very happy there, be happier with lecky going through it, ah ha! Keep safe 👍

[@paulf2529]

Really interesting David, I've always given electronics a wide birth, but might have a look next time something goes kaput!

[@smallnstickypaper]

Your clock ticking puts me more on edge than Nige's crack

[@dsesuk]

I must remove that damn thing when recording!

[@M0LHA]

David Savery Electrical Services Yeah his bum crack is a distraction

[@andrewwilson4402]

I do hate a ticking clock

[@p4ult1]

That little Garmin was the first satnav I had too. Worked well but it seemed to take ages to pick up the satellite signal when started up for the first time of the day.

[@dsesuk]

I found the same Paul, it would take forever and then ask me to confirm the date and that I was outside before searching for satellites again! By the time it figured out where it was, I'd be pulling into my destination!

[@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse]

Tappy,tap,tap well done David and the magic smoke didnt escape which is a bonus.

[@dsesuk]

The magic smoke is contained....for now....

[@B3CK377]

I've got the same model. I use a mobile WiFi hotspot that I put in the van. Works a treat, but I have to do any updates on my home WiFi as it only a small data plan...

[@dsesuk]

Mine works with Bluetooth tethering, but my phone has a bloody annoying habit of turning that off. I usually have some palaver of having to switch it into flight mode and back out to reset Bluetooth to get the damn things talking to each other. I don't need it every day, but I guarantee it will be playing up when I do!

[@B3CK377]

@@dsesuk my phone keeps dropping the Bluetooth connection in the van aswel. I thought it was the van Bluetooth module but it still does it in a different van. Probably time for a new phone. Great video as always. Keep up the effort as us pond life like watching your adventures!

[@dsesuk]

@@B3CK377 I hate Bluetooth, it's so haphazard. It's a complete lottery whether my phone will connect to either the van stereo or the sat-nav when I fire up the ignition, yet the phone always *always* connects to my Amazon Echo when I'm at home even though I only want it to do so when I'm playing music. I disconnect it, and it just goes off and reconnects again later.

[@mastergx1]

You still use an AIO satnav? I havent used one since my first smartphone.

[@AndyK.1]

None of your videos are boring.

[@dsesuk]

Really? I tried hard on this one. Even KZbin is having a pop at me on my dashboard page: "People aren't choosing this video as much when it's recommended, and they're watching less of it than usual."

[@jj-hn2ll]

@@dsesuk Without sounding like an electrical Groupie lol , you appear to be one of the few Sparks on u-tube that researches and takes an interest in the technicalities. You should have a lot more subs than you have ,I think others craftily offer incentives to watch with free giveaways which i don't necessarily agree with. Always look forward to your video's far more interesting and humorous than other's

[@dsesuk]

@@jj-hn2ll Thanks for your support jj. I'm not really here for the sub numbers though; I may be lower than others but it's a good crowd. Quality over quantity!

[@AndyK.1]

Such confidence he puts the case screws in too

[@dsesuk]

That was a mistake, I got away with it this time, but you know putting the screws back without testing is normally the killer!

[@alanbrown9928]

I’m just watching you vid as my battery has gone after 4 years

[@FrontSideBus]

Good old great-big-fuckoff road atlas'. Think there is still one knocking round the boot of the car from like 2004 lol. The extra wires are probably for measuring the battery voltage without the voltage drop caused by the leads when under load.

[@Ad-gn8pl]

Ahhh the little Garmin i3. Sold hundreds when I worked for motor world. The little wheel to turn and select on the menu's. Without the AA's it'd would run off a 12v charger. Once had a whole batch arrive set to Portuguese which was interesting.

[@lloydchristmas8931]

Great video. Thanks

[@dsesuk]

Cheers Lloyd.

[@tonyyoung3437]

Hi David, do you know who sparkys go to for van insurance ? Thanks Tony

[@dsesuk]

I just shop around a little. Can't even remember who I'm with at present. A few have been posting videos recommending Rhino so I'll give them a look when renewing.

[@raymurphy9749]

Wasn't boring Dave, as you said we need more videos like this, and I even joined you with a luvverly glass of port, bottoms up 🤣

[@dsesuk]

Don't mention the 'P' word. I got smashed on that last week and am still recovering!

[@raymurphy9749]

I am now regretting drinking last night and that Monday morning early start is creeping ever closer, impending doom is foremost in my thoughts, your a bad influence Dave 🤣

[@dsesuk]

@@raymurphy9749 I moved on from red wine to Irish whisky and have spent today in the same boat.

[@Simonsimps]

Not boring at all, cheers.

[@garylatto4191]

Bit different but good to see others doing repairs I spend hall my life fixing stuff , 3 females in house always fixing ghd's from that to new re springs on partners car yesterday afternoon

[@dsesuk]

We get a few GHD's in at the repair cafe. There's a surprising amount of circuitry inside them!

[@dtec30]

yeah your right about the pace of change even here in adelaide australia it has made the old referdex (paper street directory) useless

[@dsesuk]

Mind you, I can't say I miss the old map book days. Having to pull over, find where you were, memorise which turnings you were supposed to be taking and then swearing loudly when you missed one and had to do it all again!

[@dtec30]

@@dsesuk or worse do a "uey" lol i must admit i like the idea of having the street names come up so you can prepare in advance knowing you only have a couple of streets to go before the turn off. unlike dad saying after the lights turn left. so i would have to clarify the street after or the next street by that time gone past the required street.

[@delspark]

Must say I only use my phone these days for sat Nav I thought you might have a go on space invaders 👌🍸🍸

[@78paulk]

Derek cross That’s okay until someone calls you and the conversation gets interrupted with “at the roundabout take the third exit” but maybe that only happens/annoys me 🤷‍♂️

[@delspark]

Paul Petrie I know what you mean it’s got better since carplay

[@ikbification]

A good one for your 'phone is MAPS.ME Maps are downloaded to 'phone and are regularly update. Very good for navigating round a city when on foot.

[@ChunkyyHD]

The tomtom go 6200 has cellular, flat screen and a 5 cable battery connector. Don't know what device yours is, but don't believe it's a 6200 FYI.

[@mitchobrien1728]

Hi David, Firstly, thanks for the videos you produce. I enjoy watching them and also, have learnt some very invaluable knowledge from some of the content you produce! I am currently sitting in my living room with my 18th ed book out just looking over stuff I don't use much, just having a bit of a brain workout. And it got me thinking about something I have often pondered without really getting to the bottom of. Electric shocks. We are all (hopefully) aware that a circuit needs to be complete for electric to flow. That being said, when touching a line conductor, there must be a path to E or N for you to get a shock. So, scenario, I am standing in my living room, I have a rubber underlay, followed by carpet. I am wearing socks and sports trainers with an average foam sole. If I touch a line cable, and nothing else, do I get a shock. I assume I would, but where is the path to earth. If I take a multimeter clamp on to the earth bar at the cu and hold the other probe, I'm getting no continuity to earth, so technically I'm not completing the circuit. Please put this to bed for me, as it bugs the hell out of me. I've not yet dropped the light fitting in my living room to try. But I will!

[@dsesuk]

Hi Mitch. We have two things to bear in mind. Firstly, there's ElectroMotive Force (EMF). You get no reading out of your Ohmmeter between your body and the earth bar because it's a dead test and the voltage put out by the meter is too puny to overcome the high impedance of your body. If your Ohmmeter had a higher scale and put out a larger voltage, then you might get a reading. Similarly, on a hot and humid day where you're sweating and the air around you has a higher moisture content, then your impedance would be lower and you may get a reading. Just because something reads as having no continuity when dead can all change when you ramp up the EMF. In my nuisance glow video I showed my Billy Bollocks IR demonstrator which showed an open circuit on a resistance dead-test, but with the tester whacked up to 250V on the IR function the EMF of that voltage was able to cross from one cable into another by jumping the air gaps in the broken insulation that the screw had chewed through. If we go back to your standing on an insulating surface (your carpet, trainers etc.), then an Ohmmeter will show no continuity between you and the physical earth of course. If we introduce an EMF, 230V AC, then have you grab a live wire, although there isn't a perfect resistive path to earth, some current may still flow because the EMF is enough to break down the insulation of the materials between you and earth depending on what those materials are. That path to ground may be via an air gap if that offers a path of lesser resistance than the insulator you're standing on. There is no such thing as a perfect insulator, and any material will break down the more EMF is applied. You have to also remember that when we're talking about current flow through such materials, it can be a tiny amount - microAmps or milliAmps. It's not an effective circuit, we can't use it as 'practical' current to power the TV by connecting the appliance to line and dropping neutral onto the carpet, but the more EMF, the more leakage current can potentially flow through your insulating materials. Secondly, there's capacitance which was the subject of two previous videos. The earth is a conductor, your shoes and socks are an insulator and your body is another conductor; these are the component parts of a capacitor. A current can leak across the insulator via the electric field which develops across it when your body becomes live relative to the earth. Whichever way, it doesn't take much current to cause shock injury or death which is why RCD's trip at a maximum of just 30mA. If you were stood on a rubber mat, then the high insulating and dielectric properties of rubber would mean a stronger EMF or electric field is required to overcome it, so standing on such may be enough to 'island' you from Earth.

[@alantorrance6153]

You can turn the unit off and thereby making charging quicker. Just hold the "On/Off" button pressed for a few seconds and follow the instructions --at least you can with the "TomTom GoBasic".

[@jj-hn2ll]

Well done nice tip.After following your video's for a while now i visited your website and very impressed.Have noted how professional you portray yourself and your selfless work to help others disadvantaged in the community.You have given me so much laughter with your dry sense of humor with yourself and Nigel.Great to see you back .Yes i had a Garmin and the Live Traffic info was pants. BTW was that commando knife used from your ex SAS days or just used to silence the odd obstinate site foreman ???

[@richardwilliamson3624]

Red wine, a ladies drink. Drinking that must count as dry January 😂

[@mariocirillo8088]

Loving the retro space invaders

[@dsesuk]

I also have Defender, Tempest, Battle Zone, Centipedes and Asteroids!

[@SproutyPottedPlant]

You’ll love an AGS101 modded GBA!

[@dsesuk]

@@SproutyPottedPlant It's a bit gutting as a couple of weeks ago I accidentally burned the case behind the screen. No damage to the screen, fortunately, but the case is now deformed :( The battery is still great in it though, even though it dates back to about 2003!

[@neillee1792]

Love your videos

[@geoffashden2]

That is not a 6200! Internally and externally, it looks like a 600 model which has a smaller 3 wire connector. I have a 6200 and the windscreen mount is completely different. Also mine has no screws to open the case.

[@magnets1000]

Battery is probably ruined from sitting in the hot sun cooking on summers days

[@dsesuk]

Could well be, it sees some temperature extremes out there.

[@alantorrance6153]

@@dsesuk: The battery in my "Uniden GO500" (which is a really excellent unit) "cooked" in the sun and swelled considerably. I eventually did this replacement battery trick on it. Not perfect, but it works. Why cannot the manufacturers employ "plug in external batteries"? That would be much more sensible than these designed "unserviceable" units. Uniden no longer appear to manufacture them.

[@dancrawford2690]

What is that little games console to the left ?

[@crfgunclub]

Dan Crawford that’s the big fellas Nintendo/ps2 portable

[@dsesuk]

GameBoy Advance SP from c2003. The battery still works in it too!

[@ghspaelectricalservices9296]

Nice work David. I also have that sat nag, very happy with it, how is the old fart Nigel?

[@ollydearden]

The best think about my tom tom it started to rap/stutter

[@MohammedKhan-sq6ob]

Taking tooo long, how do you replace the battery

[@dsesuk]

Figure it out for yourself or get the information somewhere else if you can't be arsed to have it handed to you, asshole.

[@supersparks9466]

Finally no clickbait, yes very boring.

[@dsesuk]

I didn't want to oversell it.

[@generaldisarray]

I cringed when I saw you using that knife to open it 😱😱😱 Although I will say I managed to f up the LCD screen in my old dash cam when I was taking it to bits and I was using a genuine iSesamo spudger...

[@pradolover]

I have an ancient Garmin Etrex yellow geocaching GPS. Hope your first one's UI isn't so shocking!

[@dsesuk]

I thought it was great at the time, but I wouldn't want to go back to it now!

[@pradolover]

@@dsesuk yes it's funny how we used to get a stiffy over what now we'd consider junk!

[@RuneInternational]

Both bigclive and MyMateVince can now sub to you and learn new Electronics repair tricks. Next time try using a knife like the one from Dave at the EEVBlog mailbag videos.

[@dsesuk]

Haha! I don't think they can learn anything from me!

[@musgaros4880]

I thought the 6200 had a built in sim to connect to WiFi

[@skamuk1]

Reckon the reds and blacks are duplicated to cover the range of different devices these batteries fit into, so the blacks and reds are essentially the same. You've probably already clarified this in the video but I've jumped the gun half way through it.

[@Mike_5]

Good old school electronics know how and new school reuse

[@dsesuk]

The only thing I learned from school was how to get kicked in the bollocks by the girls and robbed of my dinner money by the boys.

[@Mike_5]

@@dsesuk Good old Comprehensive School education then !

[@barrybritcher]

first one I had was a Garmin Streetpilot i3 in 2005

[@barrybritcher]

lol you literally pulled it out as I typed it

[@dsesuk]

Ah, the first low-cost model for the masses perhaps!

[@RichardArblaster]

@@barrybritcher ooh matron!!!

[@imark7777777]

There was somebody who went around there college with a USB killer guess what he got charged with property damage in court!

[@dsesuk]

It's just idiotic vandalism. They should stuff it up the perp's arse and see what effect it has!

[@y0rkiebar]

Fruit based drinks! Where's the Special Brew ?

[@OliverONeill]

Bigger the knife, the better penetration. It's only logic.

[@Stop..carry-on]

By jove - 😂 trust you to say it correctly

[@dsesuk]

Pip pip my good man!

[@MohammedKhan-sq6ob]

Mate get on with it,

[@timballam3675]

1000 cycles of a lipo so 3 years is it...

[@andytownsend9163]

Put TomTom on your phone, updates and traffic always on. Get it from App Store or Google Play its only £15 a year. Its few quid more for the wealthy iPhone users.

[@dsesuk]

I had the app for a couple of years Andy, and very good it is too, but I rely on both devices rather heavily in my working day and I prefer to keep them separate with the phone handling calls/messages and music streaming and the TomTom directing me around all the road closures Warwick District Council keep throwing up!

[@okadk]

Tomtom has poor battery management - this it charge the battery every time ignition is on. This is bad and will destroy a LiOn battery. It should wait charging until getting to around 15-20% the capacity and charge to 80% and stop charging.

[@AndyK.1]

3 year old houses need work I guess

[@dsesuk]

It's mostly people wanting to put up fancy light fittings or a socket outlet in a corner of the room that the builder inexplicably left unserviced by such even though it was patently obvious one was always going to be needed there!

[@Pieh0]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="18">0:18</a> So you're not just a pretty face then ;).

[@dsesuk]

I have other assets. I was once a buttock model for a manufacturer of Y-Fronts.

[@jim...792]

@@dsesuk I wondered who that was. I modelled the other buttock

[@Pieh0]

@@jim...792 Stunt buttocks

[@Mark-M72]

i still don't know you can speak German :-P and WTF don't you just use WAZE on your phone!

[@sdgelectronics]

Dedicated devices are more usable

[@dsesuk]

I used the TomTom app on my mobile for a while, and I tried just using Google Maps, but I need my phone to be available as a phone in this business without the display being interrupted by a call or the battery being depleted by the GPS, and having the sat-nav always there in my vision every journey is handy with the mileage we put in as I often know kind-of where we're going and I just need the odd heads-up of where to turn!

[@jeanclaudecollay7988]

En francais

[@fargogemini694]

Use your phone you “out of date git” use waze

[@dsesuk]

The phone is for calls, messages and music streaming, and I can't use Waze as Nigel always bangs on about how good it is. To use it would set a precedent that I listen to him and value his opinion.

[@willford8475]

@@dsesuk 😂🤣

[@fargogemini694]

😂😂😂 My cars got sat nav build it but I think waze is better, 50 million Uber drivers can’t be wrong