Well There's Your Problem | Episode 30: Austrian Wine Tainting Scandal

More organic chemistry urrrrgh
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[@zach7821]

"the news may be out of date" me who is watching 2 years later: "oh no"

[@flyingskier1913]

Hi Justin in post production

[@griffinrails]

-im dad-

[@flyingskier1913]

He/Him

[@flyingskier1913]

Also we had an F-35 flyover a week or so ago

[@russianbear0027]

Black lives matter. On to the episode.

[@justinokraski3796]

I'm liking these new cold openings

[@genoobtlp4424]

As a German understanding person, it’s astonishing what mispronunciations I‘ve never thought of. Keep it up tho, great work

[@minecrafter023]

On the other hand I was very impressed of their pronunciation in some of the later episodes. It's amusing anyways.

[@genoobtlp4424]

@@minecrafter023 yeah, true that

[@sarapocorn]

Hi aus der Schweiz! and: yes. I hear a word and I have to see how it‘s written because I can not imagine what it‘d be only by hearing them say it. I love it. thank god there‘s slides!

[@bills.prestonesq.5905]

This but as an English understander. Ellie Valley jfc This pod is like people who've read words but never heard them. But I still like it.

[@davidvitan3590]

Alice calling German words "crimes against humanity" and 5 min. later perfectly pronouncing "Reinheitsgebot" lol. Keep up the good work. An Austrian in Canada

[@jayde_d]

genuinely impressive that i've sat through about 45 minutes of this podcast and feel like it've learned nothing about the subject matter, which is of course what we want to see. keep it up gang.

[@Cynbel_Terreus]

But you did learn something about anything right?

[@aforgottenfriend2987]

@ThisIsMyRealName if you want to actually learn about it watch the down rabbit hole vid

[@talesofwendigo1232]

yeah pretty sure only 50 minutes of this actually talks about the subject matter directly but I really wouldn't have it any other way.

[@nitehawk86]

I learned more about gay fascism than I thought I ever would.

[@grantus_pax]

nonsense! this episode about the history of the gay sex party origins of German nightclubs has been on-topic from the very start!

[@user-cw3yc3yk3h]

I was working with an Austrian guy who made a joke that you could throw a free party by drinking diethyline glycol and calling an ambulance because the treatment is more ethanol My 2 American coworkers and I sat in silence because we didn’t want to explain that that’s actually the most expensive way to throw a party the way American healthcare works

[@ClaudiaNW]

My impression is that a US hospital would be like "This shot of medical vodka costs $25,000. And another $5,000 for the glass. Don't worry though, the copay is only $17,500."

[@williammoriarity7411]

Yes

[@InsaneZeroG]

The Down the Rabbit Hole video is before you drink several bottles of wine. This one is for after several bottles.

[@ClimateDude]

This is the one after taking Pep in a Berghain darkroom.

[@MachineWashableKatie]

After several bottles of tainted wine.

[@midgetwthahacksaw]

Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well.

[@steveofthewoods3119]

Alice: "A 50yr design storm only happens once in 50 years" Me: *panics in hydrology & hydraulic engineer*

[@glenmcgillivray4707]

My understanding is a one in 50 years event is not determined by time. But an estimation for 1/50 happening in any given year. Which is to say they can happen 12 times in the same 10 years if the weather is particularly bad. But we don't expect such weather at a 49/50 odds in any given year. Of course 70% of classrooms of 30 kids have two or more children with the same birthday. And we only expect 1/365 of children to share a birthday with a second. Because Statistics are mean and horrible to people. So when you add up all the odds of a 1 in 50 year event to happen across a nation. Why are we surprised they happen all the time?

[@jsrodman]

Sure, that's all true, but also we've made weather more varisble so our historical estimates for 50 year and 100 year floods are now all wildly wrong and yet nothing forces new estimates and the resulting obviously necessary work.

[@schnoodle3]

This is really turning into more of a chemistry podcast than engineering. You really need a chemical engineer as a permanent fourth member. Or at least a failed chemical engineer, so I'm open if you're looking.

[@SelectHawk]

As my chem e friend in undergrad said, you guys are more glorified plumbers than chemists. Process engineering with chemical characteristics, is more like it. The only chemistry course you guys take that I didn't as a try hard mech e/bme was p chem.

[@sultanofcabbage]

Why bother having engineers and chemists when you can just have a physicist .

[@SelectHawk]

@@sultanofcabbage why have a physicist when you can have a theoretical mathematician? Probably because the different specialties learn different things. Crazy, I know.

[@vaporisedair4919]

@@SelectHawk yes that’s cause many chemical processes contain a lot more separation steps much more than chemical reaction and there’s a lot of piping in between. Also most catalytic reactions are often contain proprietary technology few might actually get a chance to work with directly. More than chemistry chemical engineers care of a model of the reactor to design it and the rest of the process.

[@justmadethistocomment9505]

@William Clark second

[@wolight]

"There's two kinds of alcohol. The kind that punches you in the throat and the kind that doesn't" -Solid life advice

[@twiexcursori]

wine bad, beer good, vodka [BLARING SOVIET ANTHEM]

[@TheSunsetPearl]

Bud Light: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@AaronMk91]

As a Michigan resident I want to comment on the dam and how our Randian super-hero is managing it. Simply put: he's not. He's decided to blame the governor for it, and all the conservatives in the state are blaming the governor for it, because I guess they were supposed to take care of it and either they neglected their obligations, or refused him access to his own property to do repairs. He's not even taking blame. He is the Randian Ubermensch: just shifting the blame. And that has been your update on the dam from a Michigander. Sorry if someone already covered it.

[@AaronMk91]

Oh nvm, realized I paused the video to write this comment just before they talked about how he shifted the blame.

[@yrobtsvt]

looks like 940 homes and buildings were severely damaged in that flood, only 8% were insured. The state regulatory agency which had certified the safety of Rand Man's broken dam will be investigating itself. Hope they do an unbiased and fair self-investigation! www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/midland-failed-dams-floods-caused-200m-damages-2500-buildings

[@spyone4828]

I am just fascinated by the coincidence that this would happen right around the time the game Snowrunner came out. Snowrunner being the sequel to Mudrunner and Spintires, which were about driving trucks of logs offroad in Siberia, Snowrunner adds Alaska and Michigan to the places you can go, and in Michigan the story is repairing damage in the aftermath of a flood. I mean, Michigan isn't exactly famous for its floods.

[@konga382]

@@spyone4828 Expecting Michigan to grow some mountains next to further mirror its Snowrunner representation.

[@Eibarwoman]

@@konga382 Visit the UP and you find craggy areas

[@ericjamieson]

I was really surprised by how a) good and b) inexpensive Austrian wine is when I went there a few years ago. I mentioned this to some Austrians and they were like "well, see there's a reason we had to get our wine industry squared away." That's how I learned about this scandal.

[@DeadWhiteButterflies]

Can we have a bonus episode where the gang just roasts every country in Europe for an hour?

[@GrannyBender]

As an European, I would like to say : YES, please do!

[@sircourgette]

Why limit it to europe? let's dunk on every country in the world

[@davidparnell2943]

@@sircourgette no Americans have already dunked enough on Iraq and Afghanistan thanks lol

[@sominboy2757]

Hell, alice could spend a episode just ripping into the uk

[@jbarbeau92]

Well There’s Your Problem: Europe or Well There’s Your Problem: The West

[@andrewlittle3859]

Looking forward to seeing you at the Canadian High School reunion Riley

[@Michelle-tw3vr]

"love to get two fake boobs and call it silicon valley" lmfaooooo

[@curiousteddie]

I was already laughing my ass off at the german/austrian pronunciations, and then y'all had to break out Ljubljana. Being german and also from ex-yugoslavia has prepared me for nothing in life except for this episode

[@sarapocorn]

I was born in Ljubljana and now live in the a German part of Switzerland and am now SO excited to get to the part where they try to say it hahah

[@xmlthegreat]

Did they get the pronunciation right? Lyublyana?

[@diechloe]

I grew up in Gols so I have a few fun facts about this story: The family who had this large winery the Sautners, are in fact now brewing beer, but since the water quality in Gols is extremely poor (for austrian standards) they are actually importing the water for brewing. Also during this scandal they filed the purchase of the glycol as a company expense so they can save on taxes.

[@ArabicNameGuy]

the best explanation i have ever heard: "Ohio is the Florida of the Midwest"

[@Eibarwoman]

Is Michigan the Cuba due to economic damage from NAFTA/US Embargo or the Georgia of the Midwest?

[@matthewpicchu8232]

Me: "Oh, a podcast about the Austrian wine scandal! I could use some white collar crime, political intrigue, corruption, sounds like a great time!" The first 15 minutes of the podcast: "Here are the best, gayest, least fascist, government-sponsored nightclubs in Germany where you can party for 48 hours straight while getting a handjob and listening to the same techno song the entire time." I am having fun

[@testbildmuc]

As someone from Munich, I have a few hot takes to add to your introduction: 1. P1 is the worst place on earth, and if you look there's actually a few decent clubs in Munich. Go to Harry Klein or bahnwärter Thiel those are closer to Berlin clubs. 1.5 on that note: Munich is bad but not as bad as they say. Nowadays its less fashist burgois people and more gentrified liberal avocado soy latte yoga bullshit people. The rest of Bavaria is pretty bad though. 2. I've been to a lot of different party scenes around the world and Berlin is by far the best one. There's just something other countries don't get about electronic music. We're miles ahead on you guys on hwo to achieve enlightenment at 7 am on a dirty toilet. 3. Berghain is a tourist trap. If you want chill people go to sisyphos if you want intense people go to Grießmühle or Tresor. 4. Your German accents are very good and your analysis about minmaxing is actually pretty on point, never thought about it this way

[@yakovgolyadkin]

To add to this: @ 6:00, Alice saying "you gotta go east" while not at all realizing that old East Germany is where the vast majority of Germany's current fascists are. Also, speaking as someone living in Bad Tölz, I get the feeling you don't do a ton of traveling outside of Munich if you think that the rest of Bavaria is "pretty bad."

[@coreygolphenee9633]

Berlin is probably number one my must see European city list

[@cowprophet]

1.5 Those are the same people but B+ for effort

[@whoever6458]

So, after my extensive teenage rebellion, I decided to get religious while still being rebellious because my family is Jewish and I decided to rebel and become a Christian. I was also miserable when I decided this so that played into it. I ended up going to Bible College and learning how to translate the Bible from its original languages. After a good decade, I realized that there's no way to pray away being a lesbian but the first thing that made me question things was that I was somehow a second class human being just because I appear to be a woman (never had a DNA test so I don't know whether I actually have XX chromosomes). Anyway, that was obviously bullshit because I'm just as human as anyone else. Anyway, much later on, I was studying for my degree in biology and I had some Jehovah's Witnesses knock at my door and I decided to answer the door. So they started quoting Bible verses to me thinking that this shaved head heathen had never heard any part of the Bible before. Instead, I smiled and told them how great I thought that particular passage of the Bible was (and it actually was one of the better parts of it). I quoted the book and chapter they were quoting from kind of offhand and their eyes got as big as saucers because they had memorized the words but not where those words were located in the Bible. To their credit, they actually opened their Bibles and looked where I had said those words were to find that it was exactly where they were. Then they were doubly scared of me so I proceeded to show them other parts of the Bible that I thought were beautiful, particularly portions talking about the whole Jesus idea of love, forgiveness, and socialism. They tried to convince me to go to their church but I told them that I had to do too much studying but that it was my moral duty to learn the things for my classes because someone's life might depend on me knowing those things (if only I had actually gotten into medical school). They asked me if it would be okay for them to stop by and talk Bible stuff with me again and I said sure. Of course they never even had a single member of their church set foot even in my apartment complex after that. lol If you're going to follow a religion that has a book, at least read the damn thing.

[@AP-su9oc]

I love this story so much, espicially when you, the jewish born lesbian, quotes Jesus better then JH to support peace, love and Socialism. That's like in a movie when the troubled but brilliant teen says learning classical music is dumb but can play Mozart perfectly to proove a point. God bless you

[@maximilianwimmer627]

This episode: "About Austrian wine" opens with: "Ranting about German party culture"

[@ClaudiaNW]

Fun fact I learned recently: the Czech Budweiser brewery is actually state-owned. Nationalised beer!

[@red2theelectricboogaloo961]

of course they nationalized fucking beer of all things

[@ClaudiaNW]

@@red2theelectricboogaloo961 Many countries have nationalised breweries. Bavaria does, as does Taiwan. Nationalisation good

[@mathewkelly9968]

Why the hell would you drink Budweiser in the Czech republic ?

[@campi832]

@@mathewkelly9968 it's a different (and good) budweiser, than the one you're probably thinking of.

[@MrJimheeren]

@@mathewkelly9968 this is the original Budweiser. The real one from the Czech Republic and the reason American Budweiser is called Bud in Europe

[@lefteyereport6354]

Non grape wines are still wines if they are a high enough abv, utilize fruit juice for the majority of distilled sugars, and if you don't mind weird looks saying "oh, not a draft cider, we made an Apfelwein!" when you describe the 20% abv yeasty monstrosity you and your roommates cooked up in your dorm while you waited for the Research Chemicals to come in the mail.

[@ClaudiaNW]

But you can't consecrate them for Communion. (Not in the Catholic Church anyway. In Protestant churches anything goes.)

[@thewingedporpoise]

Norwegian understanding of wine, where wine is alcohol made from these berries I found

[@vilheimtheunsinkable9646]

As a vintner who prefers to make non-grape wines, it's mostly because A. I hate grapes. & B. Why limit myself to one type of fruit?

[@griffinrails]

As an Australian, I can confirm that all the non-bagged wine that we drink does taste like shoes.

[@fishflake1209]

That explains the origins of the Shoey.

[@sinecurve9999]

"I hope I didn't drink any." -5 Prestige

[@benoitbvg2888]

If you're watching a vid on youtube and you see a EUIV comment, you know you're watching good content.

[@AlanCrocker]

In the bible story where Jesus turns water into wine, it says the wedding guests are confused because it's such great wine and should have been served first because that's the custom. That really only makes sense for wine, like your drink the good wine first and as the night goes on and you drink more and more the wine gets worse and worse but you care less and less

[@MarNeis]

I somehow accidentally changed my youtube speed to .75 for this entire episode and thought either A. The entire cast was drunk this episode which, given the topic, seemed appropriate, or B. Roz fucked up the podcast editing, which, again on brand for WTYP.

[@KaneYork]

This is hilarious thanks for the suggestion

[@AGenericMoron]

24:22 - "I've had two gla- bottles of wine, uh, this evening" I think that just about sums up this video.

[@ClaudiaNW]

I'm impressed that he was that coherent after two whole bottles!

[@frank6842]

@@ClaudiaNW right? I must be a lightweight

[@lostinthemasses]

I was expecting "we recorded this a while ago" to include "before Frederik Knudsen did a video on this topic" lol

[@Quills64]

its down the rabbit hole

[@TheMadisonMachine]

It's a fun topic

[@Braindouchedotnet]

jesus christ I caught up on Knudsen's video last night.

[@ambroselwatson]

Fear and respect any man who plays a hurdy gurdy

[@Quintinohthree]

@@greg4629 If you do not know who Frederik Knudsen is you are missing out severely.

[@YourLastSavior]

Oh, nightclub disasters. Do Cocoanut Grove for teaching us why you shouldn't put flammable gasses in your air conditioning system and why exit doors shouldn't swing inward.

[@midgetwthahacksaw]

Yes, this one!!!

[@MrJimheeren]

Congratulations we actually got an episode about it

[@pyrotheevilplatypus]

@@MrJimheeren Is it a Patreon episode? I can't find it anywhere.

[@MrJimheeren]

@@pyrotheevilplatypus I’m pretty sure the episode is called night club fire or something. Just scroll trough the video list till you find it

[@snekinnatenk6956]

@@MrJimheerenare you referring to the station nightclub fire? That’s a different one, can’t seem to find cocoanut.

[@bluejohnnyd]

Treatment for antifreeze poisoning is the same as for treating methanol - the basic chemistry is pretty similar. Reason you use alcohol to treat antifreeze and methanol poisoning is that the HO- and -OH groups make the body's enzymes think that it *is* ethanol. Normally, this enzyme turns alcohol into acetaldehyde (which is actually more toxic) and then another turns acetaldehyde into acetic acid (which is harmless, and easier to either use or get rid of). Problem is when you have methanol (from e.g. badly-distilled moonshine), instead of acetaldehyde and acetic acid, you get formaldehyde and formic acid - both of which are much more toxic; when it's ethylene glycol, you get glyoxalic acid oxalic acid, which basically yoink calcium out of your cells everywhere and forms crystals in your kidneys, brain, heart and lungs; when it's diethylene glycol, you get 2-hydroxyethoxyacetic acid (HEAA) which basically keeps going back and forth in your kidneys between the blood and the urine, causing everything there to back up and your kidneys to shut down. You can fix this with booze because if you're loaded up on enough ethanol, that enzyme is too busy with the hooch to make any of the other, more toxic stuff, so the less-toxic precursors can be (relatively) safely flushed out by the kidneys and liver instead.

[@Joesolo13]

What you're telling me is First Aid kits need a bottle of Everclear in case of anti-freeze poisoning. I'm sure this will never be misused

[@danesabo1278]

Hallo und willkommen zu „Mensch, hier ist wo alles Scheiße gebaut ist.“ Eine Podcast über die Hybris der Menschen.

[@frogalphabet4851]

Wir sind der Podcast über Ingenieurdesaster von den Desasteringenieuren.

[@ClimateDude]

@@frogalphabet4851 Der in sich selbst ein Desaster ist.

[@curiousteddie]

wow ich wusste nicht, dass "deutschsprachige wtypp-fans" eine statistisch signifikante target demographic ist, but here we fuckin are

[@michaelmartini3884]

Man könnte sie auch ein wenig sparsamer sein und sagen: Willkommen zu "Tja"

[@grosslyoverrated]

Ich meine, Ingenieurwesen, Autonomen, Sozialisten und Anarchisten sind ein ziemlich permanenter Wirbel in deutschem Eis

[@Taschenschieber]

The Reinheitsgebot in its original variant also was a law against price gouging, limiting the price of a Maß (about 1 liter) to 2 Pfennig. In the 90es, the Reinheitsgebot was abolished because, among other things, it limited beer mixes (like Radler, beer + lemonade) and beers brewed from corn, rice, or other grains. Those were allowed to be imported but not to be made in Germany. These days, beers can be labelled as "brewed under the Reinheitsgebot" if they actually are, but the Reinheitsgebot is no longer an actual law.

[@teslashark]

0.02 Euros today?

[@joshuahadams]

@@teslasharkfennigs circa 1516, 4 pfennigs in a kreuzer and 60 kreuzer in a guldiner. A guldiner, basing on it being worth 1/8 a Cologne Mark of silver, was €19,87. So 240 pfennig in a guldiner means they’re about €0,08. €0,16 for 10,69dl of beer. Take a couple fivers and get _shitfaced_ Did a bit more math, you’d pay €0,63 for two dozen 35dl bottles if the pricing part was still in force and not adjusted for inflation.

[@rinnhart]

Half hour in, "what is wine?"

[@ExperimentIV]

tainted wine, oh ohhhh oh tainted wine

[@mikeblatzheim2797]

I mean, if you consider liking bad puns and dad jokes as not having a sense of humour, then I am also a German without humour (most Germans like sarcasm about incredibly specific issues, like tax rates or the local government). No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationery.

[@The5lacker]

How many Germans does it take to screw in a lightbulb? One. Germans are very efficient and hate jokes.

[@JustDiptych]

@@The5lacker "One. Screwing in a lightbulb is a simple task that can be performed by the average person with little difficulty."

[@mikeblatzheim2797]

@@The5lacker The evolution of that is: "Zero. Lightbulbs are banned for inefficiency and LEDs don't break so quickly"

[@semirrahge]

@@JustDiptych I can't read this without hearing the campiest of German accents.

[@Sp4mMe]

"I find myself hopeless before it now." The word you are looking for is 'alcoholism'.

[@worthymartin4008]

i live for that moment of deafening silence after someone asked roz what is real

[@teg24601]

The Avro Arrow was a technological marvel. It could have made Canada a player. Instead the Liberal Government was replaced with a Conservative Government and they cancelled the project. Supposedly the PM had ties to to US Aerospace companies, which is why he cancelled the projects.

[@thecorbohole3637]

Is this the episode with the lowest ratio of on-topic discussion to total runtime? It's the fucking best.

[@ClaudiaNW]

Not any more, since the Hindenburg episode

[@ViolentOrchid]

I love you peeps. Re-watching this and hearing about bail bond funds reminded of your unquestioning support of Black Lives Matter. Beautiful people.

[@bf1701]

Roz: "I hope Franklin 12 will be out by the time this episode gets posted." 96 episodes later....

[@bakudans4851]

How they found it, they looked on the tax records of the firm's, because in Austria you get the VAT back if you put something you purchased for your firm. So yes the tax guys where like, "Why do you need so much antifreeze".

[@HeckaLives]

This shit is straight up horrific. I found out about this only about a year ago. To anyone that wants food and drug production to be completely deregulated, I offer you the floor to defend the Austrian Wine tainting.

[@alexmuller6752]

oh i can do that: imagine the profits!

[@qafilms6970]

Relieved this was documented so that we can now accurately trace the spread of jokes in German.

[@dylanchouinard6141]

That German language joke made me almost choke on my dinner and I don’t speak German. Also, my favorite part of this is that the Austrian winemakers still put suger into the wine with diethalineglycol! Like they were already sweetening it with something that won’t cause horrific death, but they put the horrific death sweetener in anyway! To make matters worse, the sugar countered the effect of the ethanol in neutralizing the diethalineglycol! At that point they were just poisoning the wine for shits and giggles!

[@whoever6458]

When I went to Europe with my family, my mom accidentally got off the train at the wrong place but the doors shut before my little brother and I could get off with her so she yelled for us to stop at the train station in Austria where we waited for her. When we got there, my brother and I laughed at the automatic coffee vending machine because you could get schwarts coffee. May the schwarts be with you!

[@pdb189]

In 1887, a type of aphid in France destroyed nearly all the country’s grape vines. Luckily, a Texan named Thomas Munson managed to find three Texan rootstocks that were resistant and suitable to the climate. All French wine bottled after 1887 is technically Texan wine made in France.

[@j2simpso]

Justin: “Frankfurt airport is the worst!” Paris Charles De Gaulle Airport: “what am I, minced meat to you?”

[@jamiekamihachi3135]

My dad would fight him in the streets over that. He has nothing but horror stories about transferring flights in Charles de Gaulle.

[@diidelphiis]

j2simpso one time when flying from de gaulle to Toronto the airport changed my flights gate 15 minutes before boarding and didn’t tell my exchange student group, which made up 40% of its passengers.

[@obliteron]

All I remember is tubes

[@Shannon_Lynch]

Frankfurt airport is pretty bad, like Heathrow. But it's not on the level of CDG or Dulles

[@interstellarphred]

Wrong! Boston Logan; any Airport with a rail station is superior. Even the R1 is better than a bus

[@2sudonim]

The first artificial sweetener was lead oxide that the Romans added to wine to make it sweeter.

[@jamesshefchik9690]

I believe you nean lead acetate

[@2sudonim]

@@jamesshefchik9690 Yes, you're right. Romans boiled lead oxide in vinegar and hydrogen peroxide to make it. My mistake.

[@korhonenmikko]

I refuse to believe the airport in Frankfurt is worse than Tegel.

[@markuskoivisto]

At least Tegel is relatively small. Frankfurt Airport is a dreadful sprawl.

[@toposebi95]

Even the Eurowings shack right next to the main terminal is more enjoyable than FRA.

[@simonro9168]

well at least TXL is actually fucking operating. My mom flew into Tegel for work when BER was due to open the next week. She’s been at a different job for years now.

[@anttihelin6820]

Frankfurt is fine as long as you don't have to transfer between the terminal hubs (although there's a cool monorail from like 1982 you can take)

[@haphazardlark1502]

I desperately need a series of Riley talking about German night clubs now

[@ViolentOrchid]

Isn't that what Trash Future is? I've mostly watched the twitch stream so I know nothing.

[@nickybcrazy97]

The chaotic energy in this episode is incredible

[@frogalphabet4851]

Also Munich here, indeed the worst city in the world, suffering everyday, greetings.

[@VoltzNSmith]

Have been denied at Berghain, can confirm that child king is the vibe of the bouncers

[@jg-7780]

Sandusky, Ohio is also home to a massive amusement park that is essentially the Mecca of roller coaster enthusiasts.

[@DanBalan1]

Smh Alice talking about "there can't possibly be a car crash scandal" like she doesn't know what a Chevy Cobalt is

[@coreygolphenee9633]

I believe that would be the top gear Vauxhall where shes at and honest to God it might have been less of a piece of shit

[@freeparking301]

The moment Liam did his “poison control phone operator” impression I immediately was hoping someone would say “Pennsylvania Poison Control” and I was not disappointed!!!

[@theprojectproject01]

"Walk it off"

[@AsiniusNaso]

Hey, one I actually really know! This story is bonkers and basically wine is a joke, wine money is not, and don’t drink not-antifreeze.

[@bookie9273]

This episode goes excellently with a glass of Grüner Veltliner 👌🏼🍷

[@reidwallace4258]

As a person from Kamloops, the town in Canada where that plane crashed, I wholeheartedly endorse your headline for it.

[@coreygolphenee9633]

Hey you guys have some big ass trout I know that

[@reidwallace4258]

@@coreygolphenee9633 Used too, Kamloops lake is so over-fished and over boated on these days you would be hard pressed to pull out anything worth eating, let alone taking a picture with. Sadly your average family now goes to the lake to rip around on fuckin jet skis and spill gas in the water, not pitch a tent and fish, so it aint what it was even a decade ago.

[@coreygolphenee9633]

@@reidwallace4258 sad man wa got ruined in that sense in a lot of places at least you still got the Skeena

[@reidwallace4258]

@@coreygolphenee9633 Or the Adams or Shuswap just up the way, or the entire northern half of the province, just a shame the 20 minute outta town option sucks these days.

[@Alexander_Speaks]

14:10 Was Justin being sarcastic here because the Blue Angels have totally crashed into a house before?

[@cmarano]

"Art in the age of Mechanical Reporduction" ? Again WTYP amazes with an off-hand reference.

[@booti_boi6927]

The Arrow wasn't a stealth jet, I think it was actually an intercept aircraft. I was quite the feat for the time, and was faster than any American or British planes of the same type. It was meant to take down nukes and shit midair. It work really well. The problem came about when everyone figured we could fly the nukes through space, and the Arrow couldn't go that high, so all the orders we're ditched and the program canceled. There are plenty of goofs and gaffs from the Canadian Armed Forces, like how we sold or scrapped all of our aircraft carriers after WW2, had none for a while, went to buy some more with one government, cancel the order with the next government, and remain without carriers for the rest of time. Also on the topic of assholes in the military, that's big talk from the country that isn't signed to the war criminal treaty and protects their troops and generals / potential war criminals from the Hague

[@MrJohndoakes]

The Avro Arrow was supposed to shoot down Soviet nuclear bombers before they hit American targets, only problem was that the bombers did not exist and the USSR went for missiles for nuke delivery instead. It could have been turned into a high speed camera recon aircraft like the MiG-25 but it wasn't.

[@joshuahadams]

@@MrJohndoakesit was initially using the same Pratt & Whitney engines that were later used for the A-12 and U-2 spy planes. When shopped to the UK after Diefenbaker shut it down, they were thinking about putting Rolls Royce Olympus engines in it. It was fast as fuck.

[@MrJohndoakes]

@@joshuahadams Yes, it was a real high-speed interceptor, and it was a tragedy that it wasn't used as photorecon or a radar jammer "blocker" plane for the B-52s or a platform for an anti-satellite missile, or any number of other hyper=specialized roles once the interceptor role was taken away.

[@GilTheDragon]

Justin is describing the production of certain "generous" or fortified wines like port which are mixed with extra booze or some, like manzanilla, fermented a second time with other fungal strains no talk about the most metal of wines: Ice Wine, picked in the dark of the Canadian autumn night, to keep the grapes frozen.

[@Swordopolis]

I can't believe it took until past the 90 minute mark to finally bring up that episode of The Simpsons

[@bobsmith2637]

I'm late to this and I never expected to hear the Avro Arrow mentioned in a podcast about Austrian wine, but as a Canadian I feel compelled to comment. The Arrow was actually an excellent aircraft (imagine an improved interceptor version of the Avro Vulcan), and it was cancelled for several reasons. 1. The threat was changing from bombers to missiles, which a manned aircraft would be far less effective against. 2. Yes, the Americans wanted to keep themselves on top, and the western military aircraft field was already very crowded with British and French manufacturers along with the Americans. Avro attempted to sell the Arrow to other NATO nations, but they all either preferred to protect their own domestic manufacturer(s) or buy American and keep them happy. 3. The Americans strongarmed Canada into accepting surface-to-air nuclear-armed Bomarc missiles to use as our primary defense system instead of the Arrow. If we had not accepted them the Americans would have placed the Bomarcs along their northern border, and the relatively short range of these missiles meant that any interceptions would take place over southern Canada, subjecting our most populated regions to nuclear fallout even in the event of a successful defense against a Soviet attack (this range was later increased). Our acceptance of nuclear weapons was highly controversial at the time and led to the fall of Diefenbaker's government, the same ones who had cancelled the Arrow. But ultimately they were installed in Ontario and Quebec and remained at the ready for about 10 years, fortunately never being fired. The Bomarcs also turned out to be unreliable and unsuited to Canadian winter conditions, and they remain the only nuclear weapons that Canada has ever rostered. The Arrow prototypes were destroyed and only a few fragments survive, my favourite piece is the Orenda Iroquois engine (with several holes torched in it) at the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum, which is at the Hamilton, Ontario airport. All plans were also ordered destroyed but many blueprints were rediscovered a year or two ago, apparently an employee had smuggled them home against orders.

[@brisetta]

I just discovered this podcast a week ago and have already listened to almost all the episodes! I really love you guys, you are hilarious and yet never make it feel like its at the expense of the victims! Much love from Toronto!

[@evilfuzzydoom]

18:00 I see a missed opportunity to use the GOD DAM news.

[@PaulJacobsComedy]

Oh you are wining and dining us with this content, thank you!

[@joearnold6881]

Re: most wine stuff being bullshit, They’ve done the thing where they gave cheap wine expensive labels, and the fancy wine experts were fooled. They swapped out expensive wines for cheap ones at wine tastings... and the fancy wine experts were fooled. They even swapped around a bunch of actual expensive wines amongst themselves... and the fancy wine experts were fooled. So keep your “lively” if you must, wine stuff is largely nonsense.

[@moritzmessner1459]

Who are they?

[@joearnold6881]

Moritz Messner being a KZbin comment, I used “they” because it’s multiple, separate groups or individuals over the years. Google something like “wine-tasting fake” to go down the fun rabbit hole.

[@coreygolphenee9633]

Thats like saying one vegetable can't be grown better than other, yes a human consensus on what tastes the best can't be obtained and its all opinion but you can in fact grow shitty grapes and whip them into a box and call it wine just like you can grow acres of flavorless mass produced vegetables

[@TheRealE.B.]

Tidbit for potential nightclub collapses episode: the exterior wall of a gay bar in Pittsburgh fell on the roof of a neighboring building last year. Nobody got hurt, but the building was condemned. Also, the buildings are like 50 feet from the sinkhole that had a bus fall into it a few months later.

[@Corvicula1979]

"sinkhole that had a bus fall into it" sounds like peak Pittsburgh (but also a whole bunch of other rust belt cities too)

[@chipbipple2593]

The gang is thinking of "Sorta Scriptura."

[@connorhennessey1316]

Austrian "Hmmmm why is this so sweet" Wine

[@alexandergowriluk1687]

CF 105 wasn't stealth, it was a 2x supersonic interceptor. It was big, fast, expensive, and PM Diefenbaker wasn't super keen, axed the program, and we bought Bomarcs because the US was all big on cutting military budgets (that one time) and using guided missiles instead of interceptors. There was a strong anti-nuclear arms movement, so we got Bomarcs without the nuclear warheads that would trash everything within a huge radius (which was needed because they couldn't hit shit otherwise. Then Canada bought F-101s and F-104s.Then we just got the warheads later. It's sorta shitty because at the end of WW2 Canada had something like the 4th largest airforce on earth, aircraft carriers included. The aviation industry grew (mostly domestic variants of American planes), but also the only entirely domestic designed CF 100 which was the only all weather interceptor in Europe during the 50s. Not that Canada needed it...

[@coreygolphenee9633]

The imagery of the beaver tail is glorious tho

[@SivakAurak]

Time to crack open some cheap-ass wine and chill. Io Dionysus!

[@Ursulla55555]

I thought I was having a stroke listening to y'all trying to pronounce Ljubljana. Amazing.

[@DizzyEyes94]

I'm sick right now and I am literally having trouble breathing listening to the jokes in German thank you guys

[@Jwend392]

Pennsylvania still does state stores. Meanwhile in Wisconsin, I can go most gas stations and get a six pack of New Glarus Spotted Cow, a bottle of cheapass red wine, and Angostura bitters and a fifth of Korbel for Old Fashioneds.

[@readmorebooksidiots]

Hell, our upscale gas station (equivalent to Wawa I guess??) Commissioned their own exclusive beer that you can only buy from them.

[@pleasant_asymmetry]

You can't go to Wawa though for their great mac and cheese

[@Jwend392]

@@readmorebooksidiots Kwik Trip commissioned Karben 4 Brewing in Madison to do a series of beers for them. They've done Glazer Bean which was a coffee stout flavored with Kwik Trip donuts (I can hear Roz and Liam's rage from here.) And Hotspot Hazy IPA. And Kwik Trip > Wawa.

[@andxx0r_the_second671]

This is the benefit of living in the US state that is not only the most aggressively alcoholic, but also the only state where the alcoholism is encouraged nearly to the point of being a requirement, instead of lowkey shamed at best like it is other places. The booze is cheap.

[@Jwend392]

@@andxx0r_the_second671 I'll have you know that there are no alcoholics in the State of Wisconsin. Just professionals.

[@mushroomc0re]

Let's talk about the engineering disaster that was Bernie Sanders not having a campaign stop in the Sheetz Beer Cave

[@jacobvardy]

The story of the Canadian Avro Arrow is really interesting. They built the best fighter jet of the day. It was an attempt to gain a major market share. But the finished product was so expensive that pretty much no one could afford it. Certainly no the Canadian Air Force.

[@joshuahadams]

A.V. Roe was one of the largest companies in Canada at the time. It was US pressure to install Bomarc atomic missiles in Canada, and Diefenbaker’s government chose those over A.V. Roe’s cutting edge interceptors.

[@muticere]

I finally understand why they put antifreeze in the wine in that one episode of the Simpsons. 30 year old mystery solved.

[@grosslyoverrated]

im an american DJ who has been living in berlin for 16+ years. and i have played at berghain as well. and the beginning of this podcast was both offensive and hilariously true.

[@grosslyoverrated]

oh, but the "history of berghain" is not actually accurate at all.

[@grosslyoverrated]

im also a low/no-intervention wine consultant/somm, so somehow this episode was fucking TAILOR MADE for me!!!!

[@rm2569]

I love grape juice but can't stand wine.

[@ClaudiaNW]

I love wine but can't stand grape juice!

[@LucasBianchetti]

Just this year we've had beer contaminated with this. Belorizontina, from Backer, in Belo Horizonte.

[@Naedlus]

So, this is essentially saying that the Simpson's episode had Bart go to the wrong country...

[@herrklugscheiser2330]

Best Summary of the Reinheitsgebot I ever heard

[@ClaudiaNW]

"Don't piss in the beer" - Germans

[@fanboycrossing]

Alice is cancelled in Australia, ironically meaning she can't visit Alice Springs.

[@JustDiptych]

She could get there if she bypassed border control by leaping the distance. You know, if Alice springs to A(I am dragged into the sea by an ancient evil)

[@bills.prestonesq.5905]

For real. You'd think Australia would be a beer country, but it's a wine country in terms of quality production at scale.

[@xmlthegreat]

I agree fully with Liam, wine snobs are the worst people on the planet. Along with coffee snobs. Just drink what you want for Pete's sake.

[@anonopossum]

This is one of my favorite episodes to go back to, 15 minutes just to get to the news is incredible, I wish new episodes were still like this

[@mfThump]

Are there any plans for The God Damn News becoming a standalone podcast?

[@ernie_und_brrt]

Also a fun fact regarding the "Reinheitsgebot": Not only does it regulate the contents and to this day classifies what counts as a beer - It is also the reason why in Bavaria (south-east Germany) beer counts as a staple food. Which is why the drinking age for beer in Bavaria is 14 if your parents aggree to it (i.e. they can order a beer for you and its totally legal).

[@Alex_Vir]

The 14 y/o is not only in bavaria but germany as a whole.

[@TrashHeapCustodian]

My breadth of wine knowledge now comes from this episode and the $30 bottle of wine Aunty Donna sketch, and NO WHERE ELSE

[@YourLastSavior]

*Propylene* glycol is what they put in vapes--it's the same chemical they use in theater fog machines for exactly the reason your imagining. The extra methyl group makes it much less toxic than ethylene glycol (but not, strictly speaking, non-toxic), which is why it's in basically everything from ice cream to make-up.

[@danmack3173]

Oh wow I totally glanced over this assuming it was the Down the Rabbit Hole episode

[@KurtisHord]

Propylene glycol is the vape juice base. We make a shit ton of it in Kentucky out of tobacco which is a bit ironic.

[@chaxfox]

I expected more mayhem from the forbidden vintages, glad that pretty much everyone made it out ok.

[@joshplaysdrums2143]

You should get this future/post production Justin guy on the pod cast sometime

[@swissfalls]

He's on every week. Future Justin from last episode is in this episode. Future Justin from this episode will be in the next.

[@joshplaysdrums2143]

@@swissfalls true! I just wish he had a spot to talk with everyone else on the podcast :*(

[@theprojectproject01]

He can talk about interesting topics such as guns; pickup trucks; and pickup trucks with guns on them.