Welsh Psychology Lecturer Reacts to the Tales (Jenny, Screech and Violet)

Psychology lecturer Dr Nic ANALYZES and REACTS! Subscribe here:
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This reaction is concerned with the Jenny, Screech and Violet Tale from ‪@RenMakesMusic‬. I think there is a lot to learn from this song and I think I've managed to point out some of those things. Separate analysis video coming out in a couple of weeks!
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[@NoNudes]

Ren isn't wery graphic with his language really, but If you have lived through it he makes your skin crawl. He is a master of making you relate to just a feeling. The Da Vinci of music.

[@DukeOfTwist]

I'd say Salvador Dali ;-)

[@nichooper7]

Excellent comparisons in my opinion!

[@Alincoln333]

I have only started the video but to offer the performance perspective which may be told but it takes me forever to type so, there’s an emotive reaction and not just a picture in your mind but you can actually immerse into anyone of the characters story at any given moment is, I believe, a great many things. The most obvious are his undeniable vocal musical and acting quality. That said, it is the lack of graphic visuals in the lyrics but instead he used a lot of basic & often repetitive rhetoric, off top im thinking of all the metaphors so where something uncommon happens like something far more relatable. The Knife slicing through a statue made of butter to illustrate Jenny’s death is the stand out but there’s so many. Brief moments of pleasantness or Hope that come and go before you even register he picked your mood up just to tear it away immediately (if he meant that as it’s own metaphor for how people are kept in abusive relationships then fucking wow) E.g. - Knick knack paddy whack which puts us in a old school irish bar fight really and he only pulls you back down by ‘left HER bruised and broke’ -Screech gets a Braveheart moment -all 3 have a non lyrical Ye olde / campfire story guitar and yodel that exudes comfort. This one is just me making shit up but From the acting stand point a lot of it comes down to the fact there’s a 95% chance Ren is new to you and in everything you’ve heard it’s been incredible but by the time you first watch this you still haven’t met him yet. Maybe Sick Boi but that’s just 1 more character. The immersive camera work, spatial awareness, unconventional use of things including his voice and he’s a genuinely good actor mean that when he played any of with the storyteller, the officer and Violets Husband along with the main cast it is seamless because this vision of a human being isn’t Ren so he can be all these people. The music being distinctly different in near every avenue while staying strong thematically is was great too

[@nichooper7]

@@Alincoln333 Great stuff - you've really broken down the genius there, thanks so much for commenting!

[@sootikins]

Actually Ren isn't using the strong language, it's Screech and Stevie that are doing all the cussing. That's not to say that Ren never uses graphic language when he is being himself in some of his works, just that he doesn't in this video.

[@MissMeKate]

The saddest thing about the tales, for me, is realising that although we only hear it directly from Jenny, neither she nor Screech nor Violet felt safe. Maybe none of them had ever known what it felt like to be safe. Jenny and Violet turned that inwards, silent and frozen, and Screech did the opposite, thrashing like a cornered animal. The people who say Screech was just like his father, Stevey, don't seem to appreciate that James - the boy streetwise Screech began life as - was a victim too. (Unlike the other characters who are introduced without judgement, Stevey is mentioned in VT as being "a wrongun" and "a little prck", so though we don't know his history or what made him so violent, his place in this Reniverse is less morally ambiguous than the others'. Saying Screech was just bad like his father ignores the panic and desperation that seem to drive his poor choices.)

[@nichooper7]

Beautifully said Kate. That safe point really lands with me.

[@startingfingerstyle]

Hi Nic. I watched and commented on your Hi Ren analysis and was one of probably very many who pointed you in the direction of this trilogy. Again, you've made the video I'd have wanted to make (though you've done it far better than I would have done). I've subscribed, because I'd like to make sure I catch the full analysis of this one. I suppose you'd spotted how CNN over in USA had badly misrepresented Hi Ren in one their news items? The point you make here is valid. This isn't glorifying violence, abuse etc..... it's a warning against desensitisation and a fabulously impressive way of raising awareness. I know you use these videos as part of your course materials now, and I'm sure you won't be the last. Finally, thought you might be interested in knowing that at the end of last year Ren did a special live performance of these pieces for his fans in Brighton. I wasn't sure it would work as a live piece - it does! It also benefits from having a couple of extra items not included in this version, and which enhance it. You may not want to do a reaction/analysis, but it you have time, do watch it. It may add an extra dimension to your thinking. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZDLpGt7oLyYkMk

[@nichooper7]

Brilliant - I'll certainly watch that. I totally agree with you about raising awareness but disagree that you couldn't make a video like this one : )

[@robmarar]

Ren call this style Bardcore and here's the origin story of the trilogy 🤩😁🤯 This wasn't originally a trilogy story. Ren read in the paper one day with a small article about a 14 yr old boy killing a young prostitute in an attempted robbery and then being shot and killed by the police later that evening. It disturbed him, so he set out to write a commentary on not just senseless violence, but on how desensitized we are in today's society. This wasn't big news, it wasn't even front page, being buried somewhere 0n pg.6 or 7. The main example of this is in the words he ends both Jenny and Screech's Tales with "It's such a Shame". We say these words all to often and just move on without a second thought. The article quoted the lead inspector at the scene say " So Young, Its such a shame" shaking his head, he walked away. Violets Tale was written over 2 years later adding another layer of commentary by Ren. Not only generational violence but making us think of how both these lives be so cursed. Born out of violence on the same day and then both killed with brutal violence on the same night. Also, his lyrics have multiple meanings if read in between the lines you'll more then likely hear something that'll make you think. Here's an example of things that made me go Hmm...🤔🤔 Example: Jenny has the same traits as her mother Violet, quiet, voiceless, and timid. Where as Screech mirrors his father Stevie in every way, Loud, obnoxious, and easily prone & provoked to violence. They didn't know one another and had never met their biological parents. Yet, what made these kids so much like their parents? Was it simply Nature, inherited traits in their genetic make-up or Nurture, being brought up in the broken system of broken children? Love your channel, Cheers 🥂

[@andyunwin9260]

I'm not sure if Ren calls it Bardcore or if that term was devised by his fans. It certainly describes the style of these songs perfectly

[@nichooper7]

Brilliant stuff Robert, thanks for taking the time to give me that history. It will help when I do my analysis. Although I have to say that I feel nervous about doing it as there is so much one could take from this tale that I could easily miss important stuff!

[@AndaraBledin]

@@nichooper7 Don't worry about missing stuff; we all miss stuff. One thing that doesn't get commented on a lot is when Stevie is telling Violet to "say something" he at one point says, "Do you think I want to do this," implying that it's Violet's fault that he beats her, which is a common refrain from abusers, blaming their victims for their own terrible deeds.

[@kewlenjo219]

@@nichooper7 The thing I noted was Jenny's mother was a drinker, dad violent. Screech's father/Jenny's father was drinking and smoking....so Jenny repeated a cycle of getting with someone with substance abuse.Why is there this issue? Well, poverty...a horrible drear existence often leads people into substance abuse and that can alter people's thinking/mood etc and thus violence can occur. And, Screech...he was smoking weed...again, environment led to this but so the THC in high amounts, prolonged use and duration with young people who have possible inheritable mental illness...it can bring it out...CIPd (cannibus induced psychosis is a thing). So maybe Screech was high, maybe delusion and maybe even psychotic or maybe not but it makes me wonder..but you see substance abuse and poverty and violence often go together. And, it truly is a shame because (at least in the US) the mental health system is broken-undertrained staff, underpayed, not enough beds, policy....leads to many with addiction or mental illness simply being jailed or homeless once the family's can't handle caring and never getting support to help their loved ones. It's a shame...that's all they can say as they watch their loved ones end is ways that might have been preventable. And, those around them....they have no idea what to say, how to help...so it's easier to just carry on and stay out of things is the sense I get. Thanks for the video btw.

[@nichooper7]

@@kewlenjo219 Some great points here. That helpless feeling of not knowing how to help is something that hits home for me. For all of the expertise I have, sometimes the best thing to do is to say nothing at all, and just to be present.

[@KRE808]

I've watched a bunch of reactions to this (something interesting to analyze in its own right, that those affected by the original Ren songs end up watching a lot of reactions to the same work, judging by my own experience and a lot of comments that I read), but am glad you chose to tackle it, and ask the questions you do. One thing I noticed this time is the way that Ren spins around in the alley during Violet's Tale (resigned, "over it"), in contrast to the way he spins around at the beginning of Jenny's Tale ("here we go again"). There's so many other things that could be said about these three shorts, psychologically or just about the performance and artistic choices. The constant switching from narrator to character only happens with Screech or Stevie, leaving the stories of Jenny and Violet, or Richard the police officer, told only by narrator, is something else that struck me this time. (Big props for upping the video quality while still keeping it very much "Dr. Nic".)

[@nichooper7]

Thanks KE - I've been learning more and more about how this all works! You've picked up on some things there that I totally missed. But I'll go easy on myself because there is so much that could be covered!

[@amandacollins2854]

The thing that hits me most about the tales ,is how we view Jenny . The clues that Ren gives us seem to point to an older woman ,the time of night , the high heels , her weariness ,the money . None of which speaks of happy families . The fact is Jenny is just an anonymous victim until we know her brothers and mothers tale . It makes me sad that most people don't seem to think of her much after her death .victim is enough of a title for a girl .❤

[@IronRaspberry]

It also eludes that she’s perhaps a prostitute - a 14 year old girl, familiar walking the streets late at night, wearing high heal shoes. I don’t think Jenny had the best life either, which is why she wanted to escape.

[@bethosbornefischer3315]

By calling Screech "our poor boy", Ren makes a point that we--as a society, and as -*-cogs-*- in society-- bear responsibility for all the systems that set him up for violence, and by extension the systems that failed to protect either Jenny or Violet. We need to find ways or doing better and doing more.

[@syyneater]

I’ve also read a few people talk about where Patrick and Screech’s girlfriend were. It makes a certain amount of sense, especially given the young ages, and could add another layer to why Screech chose suicide by cop.

[@louannlang7471]

@iron rasp... I honestly did not see your comment before I hit the reply button.. you are #2 ( of comments, and/ or reactions I've seen) that actually pointed it out. I concur.

[@nichooper7]

Loads of insight in these comments that resonates with how I see these things. Thank you so much for your contributions.

[@masterbetta6874]

There are so many little things that all pull together to make this a masterpiece. The way he switches back and forth between the bard telling the tale and the characters in the story is amazing. The camera work is perfect, it becomes Screech in the gunshot scene and later it becomes Violet struggling to focus when "he pinches her eyelids and folds them up." And it perfectly portrays the fear and chaos that Screech feels by circling around him. The use of the environment and the natural acoustics are brilliant as well. The rewinding and fast forwarding time is genius. Every detail is perfect. I also want to give you credit on your video, not only does it look fantastic but you come across as someone who has been doing this for a long time. It's hard to believe that I saw your first video just a few weeks ago. Mark my words, this channel is going places.

[@nichooper7]

Wow, loads of great stuff there that I totally missed! It's amazing how many people see something different, and just shows how clever the song is! Thanks also for your kind words - I've learned plenty in the past few weeks and am enjoying the ride!

[@mothermaclean]

Love you way of questioning whats going on loved every minute, ren made an video of screeches goings on before the killing of jenny he definitely was mucked up. abused by a foster father and escaping to the streets to stay clear of him very insightful

[@nichooper7]

Oh man, I didn't realise that, thanks for letting me know, and for your positivity! Nic

[@Silkytoaster]

He also did a short video of screech being taken to the hospital in critical condition and a nurse begging him to ‘hang in there ‘. And he flat lines .

[@nichooper7]

@@Silkytoaster Thanks Mayanna, what was it that you think he was hoping to achieve with that clip?

[@andyunwin9260]

I'm so pleased to see that you're doing more reactions, especially more Ren reactions. What I really like about this trilogy is how Ren can tell such a mesmerising story in song lyrics whilst being so "economical" with his words. He really is a musical genius

[@nichooper7]

Thanks Andy! Yea, someone else pointed this out and it's so true, we learn so much about these people in such a small amount of time!

[@alimac1469]

A brilliant lesson about generational violence, poverty and victims slipping through the cracks.

[@nichooper7]

Totally agree!

[@chrisseiler42]

Ren has me identify with each character. I had to wait a while to watch it again. I watched through a reaction where there would be some celebrating of REN’s talent between the heaviness of the songs. I did not identify with violet’s abuser. But it was so real. My beloved Ren became someone I was very uncomfortable with-almost scared of. So real. I think this should be in every sociology course. So much in a few minutes.

[@nichooper7]

Yea, this stuff is so real when this guy writes, sings and acts about it.

[@WhisperWolfe]

I have been waiting for this with bated breath. Love seeing this so much and hearing your thoughts. Can’t wait for part 2. I would so love to see you sit down with Ren for a conversation about this song and his other music. Dominoes. You should definitely look into that one by him, too.

[@nichooper7]

Aww thank you! Much appreciated Sabrina. Maybe one day but my gut says that pretty soon Ren will be too big for that sort of thing! Best wishes, Nic

[@CraigArnolduk]

The story is of course extremely compelling. I remember my first reaction when he says "two twins are lying side by side" was "no, no, no, no, no, no" and tears streamed down my face. There are a few elements in his lyrics and storytelling that resonated with me that other reactors have not commented on: 1. Violet "stacking jars like pickled bricks"; the hardship of young women just as physically demanding for them as working construction for men. 2. "he lifts her eyelids and folds them up" - possibly the most horrifying line of the entire tale for me, and a powerful metaphor also for what he is achieving with this tale. Lifting our eyelids, making us look at this. Echoing that even Violet's own mother knew but ignored it. 3. The "doctor in a state of shock", the officer Richard "working London on the nightshift, what he didn't think he'd see"; a testament to just how shocking this story really is, that people whom you would expect to be blase and jaded still shaken by the intensity of these events. 4. The brilliant heavy breathing of Screech before and after the phone call, which is so accurate of a person whose system is flooded with adrenalin, and the pretend calm when he lies to his girlfriend "just really miss you babe", when actually he is looking for a place to hide, psychopathic manipulation. 5. Stevie "why you such a little liar" when Violet says nothing - how can someone be a liar when silent? The horror of the accusation to someone who clearly cannot be lying; more that her silence is a mirror, a refusal to engage in a lie which is so enraging to an abuser. 6. The recurring theme of the devil, "the devil had set his sights on his soul", "the devil came to dance"; Screech and Stevie were possessed - unable to control themselves, and then at some point they do return and feel shocked at what they have done. 7. The echoes and foreshadowing of the hospital gown and high pitched singing in "Hi Ren", what does that call mean? Is it a call to the spirit world? An invocation of good v evil, a siren sounding in the night warning that archetypes are coming to possess the characters? 8. It seems clear that Ren's portrayal of the dark and violent character is borne of close observation or likely an aspect of his own character that shocks him and needs expression in his art. 9. An annoying pedantic voice in my head remonstrating with Ren that Jenny would have been better called a "stalagmite" rather than "stalactite". As wonderful and powerful as the story is I find the reactions even more compelling! 1. The story is almost an intelligence test, quite a few reactors not explicitly understanding the punchline, but still acknowledging on some level the archetypal nature of the stories. 2. A few disturbing reactions where the violence of Screech is clearly not having the usual impact, where the reactors naturally seem to identify with Screech! 3. As counterpoint a greater number where the male reactors want to get leap from their chairs right into the story and protect Jenny and Violet. 4. A few clear fakers - having seen the story, seen other reactors and simply wanting to jump on the Ren train - and sometimes not even understanding the story despite having seen it before. These almost seem like pretend reactors, simply copying other reactors, not wanting to miss the current thing. How is it possible to so clearly see this on their faces? 5. The more technical reactors, reacting to the singing, music, videography or the story construction. 6. The difference that culture makes in the reactions, British reactors just connecting at a gut level to the knife crime and particular apprehension of the abuse and deprivation that exists on our Island, that foreign reactors can understand intellectually but clearly don't feel emotionally to the same degree. 7. And finally of course those in the psychiatric and medical fields ... :)

[@DukeOfTwist]

Great comments, I also found a few details of his deliberate choice of musical sections, other than the obvious time winding back then forward to remove then return us to the hospital scene. 1, The rapid finger picking on the hospital bed to me indicated the nurses, doctor then surgeon all rushing to treat Violet. 2, The riffs at the beginning of Screechs tale, as Ren descends the car park stairs, indicated Screech fleeing the scene of Jenny's murder and arriving at Patricks door almost out of breath. It also has part of AC/DC's Thunderstruck maybe to reference the reality to Screech what he has done. My only critical judgement is ...'a boy named Screech' should've been either 'a boy named James' or 'a boy called Screech' But I'm not complaining as I got it as soon as he said 'twins lying side by side'

[@davespicer3647]

The singing at the beginning and ending of "Hi Ren" might have been to show that, with the understanding shown in his narrative, he could sing and even dance in the flickering lights which had previously held him prisoner.

[@Kers1970]

Exactly my thoughts on the 'stalagtite'-issue. Stalagtites are hanging down, stalagmites are piling up... But, in the 'studio-version' released in 2019, Ren sings actualy 'stalagmite'.

[@nichooper7]

Some incredible observations here! Thank you. Please lower your expectations for my analysis as it won't have the insight that are in these comments.

[@Silkytoaster]

@@nichooper7 wow these 2 comments were so on point . They were so well thought out and well written . May be you might do a collaboration reaction with you . ❤😊

[@hollyryalsgrubb1273]

Interesting that you note how Ren is adopting characteristics of each of the lives from this tale; which brings a level of authenticity, compassion and realism for us, the audience. The Interview that Justin Hawkins recently released of his conversation with Ren is long, but worth pursuing on your own time. In it, Ren mentions that he maps out every gesture and nuance. Link to Justin Hawkins Rides Again "The Ren Interview" kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5S4ZZyEgpubhLM

[@nichooper7]

Hey Holly! Thanks for the comment! When I get a chance I will watch that interview!

[@Silkytoaster]

The interview is very in-depth and interesting . You leave with a deeper understanding and respect for Ren .

[@SuzanneO707]

A magical minstrel. Finger on the pulse, humane, humble, socially aware, empathetic. Fire in his belly., Admirably.... he is directing his intelligence, talent and artistery to open hearts and rise up. Yes, guitar playing is hard. Trying myself, you just have to go for it and don't listen to the self doubt. Think thats what Ren is communicating , so beautifully , about life in general. Interesting and intricate response. Cheers.

[@nichooper7]

Thanks loads for the insightful comment Suzanne! I totally agree with you!

[@TheSyncos]

Ren is definitely making a point about the cycle of violence here. Whether through direct generational trauma (Violet) or the impacts of that trauma. Presuming Stevie didn't know Violet was at the hospital or even arrested for Violet's death, those children would have been put through the system, and we have no idea what kind of place they ended up. Based on the events of the song, I'm gonna guess it was somewhere less than stellar.

[@nichooper7]

Yea this is my perspective too Michael.

[@frankensteinfpv]

When Screech was looking for patrick and he wasnt home. "Something more sinister does await" Screech calls his girl who is "busy" with Patrick. Which adds more fuel to the fire when he turns to face the blue lights... As always, i appreciate your insight into Ren's work and gives/feeds me so much more to think about and dwell on... P.s. you were saying how good Ren is with using these songs to bring much needed attention to certain things and you would be silly to think otherwise. You should see what CNN done with Hi Ren......

[@nichooper7]

Idiots. To take something so useful for people and paint it that way. Angers me. I hadn't considered the Patrick and girlfriend idea but it certainly helps to explain the response.

[@C4.Cooper]

Hello again Dr. Nic, After Ren's message in which he gave thanks to the reactors, I had mentioned your channel in the comments, but specifically wanted to point out that not only has the community of reactors been helping grow his fan base and connect with those who relate so closely to his messages, but he has also been able to inspire others to help bring more positivity and knowledge into their communities. Even as simple as starting a KZbin channel after hearing only one of his songs, then continue on with wonderful thoughtful books that people loved to hear. I know he reads most of the comments he can on the bigger channels, I also know he really appreciates it when he finds out something really special has happened because someone was inspired by him or his story at one point. I think this was worth mentioning to him. You are wonderful to listen to and I look forward to hear more of your insight.

[@nichooper7]

I'd like to know your name but can only see C4! Thanks loads for recommending my videos on another thread, I really do appreciate it. I do hope that Ren is recognising just what an impact he's having! Very best wishes and I hope that other future videos of mine will be useful as well!

[@C4.Cooper]

@@nichooper7 I hope he is as well, and add that if he does, it's even more impressive that it seems it hasn't changed who he truly is at heart and he remains humbled by it all still. That's so rare in a world of faceless celebrities branded and molded by labels. Oh, my name is Christina. After years of playing sports and 20 years in the Army, I just went by Cooper since high school (I'm 40 now). Little funny story...many of my friends didn't even know Cooper wasn't my actual first name for years. The first time they hear it I act like I don't know who Christina is either for a few minutes. 😆

[@OHNSS]

I appreciate that you've shared yourself generously by making that first video, "Hi Ren", and then even continuing with more videos when you weren't planning on it. Not that you need any help with this, but I want to acknowledge the slight nervousness (about doing the Analysis of Trilogy vid) you mentioned in a few comments and speak to that because I feel inspired to give back to you. Thank you for sharing your vulnerability; we all have them. I'm guessing nervousness is just a lack of clarity about what you're doing and how you feel and what you want to do going forward. So I'd like to offer some thoughts and reflection. First, you're an effective teacher here in this YT medium, whether we are actual students of yours or in my case, not. So there is value in that for us, and for you, I'm guessing it will be a sense of satisfaction to have contributed to the wider community- even wider than what you can reach with just your students. So that's to set the context. Next, there is perhaps also the joy of co-creation, not just you and Ren - by making a vid on his vid - but also you with us, your audience, in the shaping of the evolution of human thought, understanding, and society. If I can speak for us, we are here for it, for you, and this way, you can get your finger on the pulse of the public in a personal way here in your comment section, from all ages, and all corners of the earth (that are online) if that is of interest to you. I want to share that the most impactful scholarly thing I have learned from you so far is that ACT is about accepting both sides of ourselves, the negative inner critic and the positive supportive side of our inner dialogue (which we all have and which isn't pathological in itself - which is also something I learned from you). Then move in the direction of enacting your values (commitment) and, in your words, "You'll be fine." Yes. Perhaps applicable here; I'm sure you know this. When we're accompanied by the sweetness of someone's presence and example- ie, feeling not alone, but feeling accompanied- and not just by the person's "book learning", that makes it easier to learn. Look at Hi Ren - we're all learning about mental health and how it is to have a chronic illness because we have the sweetness of Ren's presence and his sharing his life and self-expression with us. You are providing your presence with these videos, however perfect or imperfect the content of what you say. What if content does not matter, or what if presence matters more than content? What is your intent? I think we learn best from example; from those who embody their teachings. This is why I watch your videos, not because I am judging the perfection of the completeness of your scholarly depth and breadth of understanding or lack thereof. That is definitely not at all what I'm here for (speaking for myself- maybe others feel similarly?). You sharing your insights and your emotions just helps me feel more human and connected - maybe a serotonin release there. I'm sure there will always be people criticizing in comments, but that's just them not being able to integrate and hold their Inner Critics, right? More a statement on them, than on you/us when we put ourselves "out there". Just like the way you analyzed yourself in the vid of that movie Against Time - which was lovely to watch by the way - I know you can clarify your values and your 'why' and find your answers. One guess I'll offer of why you might want to stay here on YT is because perhaps it feels good to grow from the interactions and experiences and gain strength and steadiness in your self-expression and authenticity in sharing yourself with your wider human family. (Just a guess - not at all sure of what would ring true for you...could be totally wrong I know!) Also, you get to be here as you watch Ren's popularity blow up and maybe you can contribute to the discussion and evolution of this. I've seen Ren in a comment three days ago- be willing to have at least one interviews with a reactor who in their vids say something to suggest they'd like to do so- and I think you could hold an excellent space for him to express certain things about his story/experience, given your profession - that otherwise with other people, he wouldn't be able to express. Here you have a chance to join the dialogue and by ripple effect influence the course of the world through this audience- through sharing your heart, your mind and your training and example. The people have spoken and clearly want you here, if you want to be here, judging from the comments. Even if you share no more videos, I love what you've given us in these videos. Thank you for your presence here, whether it's for short or long term. 💛

[@nichooper7]

I really do feel honoured that you've taken the time to write such a message. I've saved it and will keep coming back to it when my mind gets mind-y! Thanks so much. Nic

[@OHNSS]

@@nichooper7 ❤Of course! Partly, I admit I'm trying to talk myself into creating more too; it's helping me to see you pushing through your resistance and doing it anyway. So glad you felt benefit! 😄

[@nichooper7]

@@OHNSS Oooh I'll look forward to seeing your creations soon then! Will they be posted on your channel?

[@Attabasca]

Thank you for covering this trilogy! It really is a masterclass in storytelling. I look forward to the analysis in the next video.

[@nichooper7]

Thank you! Feel a bit of pressure with it after reading all of these insightful comments!

[@TheSyncos]

I love the guitar work at the beginning of Screech's Tale. Ren does a good job of setting the scene with the intros to all the tales, but in Screech's you've got a kinda sad "Jenny's lament" at the beginning, then the frantic panic that must come in the aftermath. Just brilliant.

[@nichooper7]

His guitar work astounds me. It's like part of his being.

[@dehro]

hi there.. glad you're still in the Ren rabbit hole... I remember commenting to your first video and like to see that the artist inspires you to dig deeper in his catalogue... a little context for this video... the first 2 songs came out close together, the third one was written later by Ren wanting to bring a conclusion and a context to the story.... he made the third song up, but the first 2 were inspired by a news article he read about a teenager killing a young prostitute and being subsequently also killed.. in Jenny's tale, there are multiple hints at her being on the street because she was walking/working them... There is also extra content on Instagram that explains the desperation of Screech and contextualises why and how he was led to choose violence. Ren's artistry in painting a picture with words, acting and music, and evoking strong emotions is really something remarkable, and makes you forget that it's just him and a guitar doing all the work (and ok, the cinematography is also striking)... this could easily be a short film written by Tarantino and even follows the scrambled timeline structure much like Tarantino does in, for example, Pulp Fiction. I don't really gush over artists, but this guy really is something special. also, don't beat yourself up over how hard playing guitar is... Ren has a 20 year lead on you in that regard. If I may toss something different your way... Generational trauma is a really big subject of, of all things, a Disney movie... That would be the movie Encanto. if you have not seen it yet, I strongly suggest you check it out, maybe even here on the channel.. it's a movie with surprisingly adult and profound themes that you might find interesting to analyse.

[@nichooper7]

For some reason this comment is only just showing up! Yea I agree on all counts. It's all remarkable really, I'm like you, don't usually gush, but this is just very different to everything else I've come across. I'll take a look at encanto with my little one when I get a chance, thanks for the steer! Nic

[@Steve_P_B]

One of the things that I appreciate is how you said that Ren isn't promoting or glorifying the violence. This is a common thing about a number of his songs such as this trilogy and Hi Ren where he's actually holding up a mirror and shining a light into the dark corners to bring to light these things that happen and this is a very significant distinction to make.

[@nichooper7]

Excellently put Steve. Wish I could have used those words in my analysis! Nic

[@bunnie4809]

HYYYYPE!! I’ve been waiting to see your reaction to this one. I can’t wait for part 2! Also, please tell your son he is an awesome KZbinr and he really kicked your butt at the game y’all played 😁🤣 I hope to see more from both of you! Keep up the amazing work! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@nichooper7]

Thanks so much for your lovely kindness!

[@rebeccarose7405]

Great reaction, and comments from other viewers! Looking forward to part 2. I’m so glad you decided to stay on the reactions journey! Please think about doing Ren’s “Dominos” soon. ❤

[@nichooper7]

Thanks Rebecca! I haven't heard dominos so could do a totally blind reaction!

[@InconSteveHable]

Another thought provoking video, I have seen so many reactions and I watch a lot of them for the punchline reaction's which occur in each song, many reactors completely miss that Jenny "stands still like a statue in high heeled shoes" and fail to tie it into her story that she's a 14 year old girl working and walking the streets of London at night. Or that when Patrick is not at home and Screech calls his girlfriend who is busy, it is because Patrick and Screech's girlfriend are busy being together (confirmed by Ren). Especially how reactors are struck by the impact of the domestic violence scene that they completely fail to notice how Ren winds time back on with his guitar despite having praised how well he used the guitar to rewind time previously. I'm really looking forward to the analysis video, I genuinely want to see how you break it down, keep up the great content.

[@nichooper7]

Great observation Steve, I picked up on the fact that Jennie is probably a prostitute but not about Patrick and Screeches girlfriend. That speaks volumes really. Thanks for the encouragement also! Nic

[@InconSteveHable]

@@nichooper7 Screech turns a corner on his way home and is presented an opportunity for easy money which results in tragedy, hyped on adrenaline, most probably terrified he flea's to his closest friend's house only to find he isn't there, he reaches out to his girl friend only to be told she's "busy". Maybe Screech realises Patrick is with her, so now not only is he hyped and terrified, he's feeling betrayed and angry and emotionally wrecked, when the Police arrive Screech see's a target for all those emotions, he needs a way to lash out to vent his frustrations and without thought charges them, causing his own death. (I don't know this to be true, but it could be true) (IMO) Screech is as much a victim in this story as Violet and Jenny are, in a society where it is the "norm" to label and box everybody into convenient categories it is easy to forget, that although Screech did a truly terrible thing, nothing he did was premeditated, from the moment he turns the corner and meets Jenny he is just reacting to the ever spiralling situation. He is a product of the society he was born into and it is the "norm" and easier to label him as a delinquent, a liar, a thief, a murderer than it is to confront the possibility that our society has created a system in which people like Screech not only exist but are being created by that society. Jenny, Violet and Screech are just statistic's, which is why I think this story hits so hard for so many people, I think everyone knows or knows of, a Jenny or a Violet or a Screech and can relate to these characters as individual people and they are not just a news headline or number in a box.

[@nichooper7]

@@InconSteveHable Man I hope I manage to get some of those sentiments into my analysis as clearly as you've just put it.

[@Budini67]

Ren is, imho, a once in a generation or maybe even once in a lifetime artist. Loved your reaction, Doc.!

[@nichooper7]

Totally agree! Thanks for the comment Kismet! Nic

[@gobkin123]

One thing I wish more reactors called out is the line "Do you think I want to do this Violet?" Typical of abusers they try to make it seem as if the victim is at fault for the abuse; that it is the abuser who is actually the victim, reacting in a way that they don't want to but are compelled to by the actions (or inactions) of the victim. The fact that no-one is mentioning it means either that it is so obvious that it does not need mentioning, or it is so common that we don't think there is anything untoward about the statement.

[@nichooper7]

Thanks for comment Brad. Yes, I think you are correct to draw our attention to that. It is a common behaviour of abusers and speaks to the skewered way they see the world.

[@PeteFindsObscureStuff]

Nice initial breakdown Nic. I think the tales also open up the good old nature/nurture debate. Will go and search out the next instalment. Cheers!

[@nichooper7]

Yea Im not going to be able to get away from that debate in the analysis am I Pete!

[@PeteFindsObscureStuff]

@@nichooper7 probably not Nic.

[@pippafinland]

This trilogy just kills me. Working in social care I've seen these real life events too many times. 💔 Ren discribes them to the teeeee. 😢 Great reaction. 👌🏻

[@nichooper7]

Yea I bet. I come from a place where I saw this a whole lot too and it frustrates me when labels are put on kids with little appreciation of the context that led to them. Thanks loads for the comment Pia! Nic

[@shakysenior]

You are so interesting to listen to, thank you. What has struck me about all 3 tales is how efficient Ren is in setting background for his characters. Eg. In Violets Tale he has informed you of her childhood, leaving home, relationships and effects in just 2 corridors and a short set of stairs. Just brilliant.

[@nichooper7]

Thank you for the encouragement! And yes, I hadn't really thought about that but it's amazing how much information he can get to us so swiftly!

[@dalecrowley8625]

Dr. I'm glad you changed your mind on making another video your insights are very valuable and helpful thankyou

[@nichooper7]

Thanks Dale for sending over this encouragement! I do appreciate it. Nic

[@jamesdoherty6558]

what a story, very brutal and sad, but watching ren , the guy is amazing, so much talent, why is he not the biggest star in the uk.....think we all know, his songs/rap/story telling are real, and true

[@nichooper7]

You know what, I think he's going to be massive. For all of the reasons that we we see already - the truth in the songs and the talent.

[@mitotim]

Jenny 14 years old walking the streets of London in high heels shoes.. I think it's rather obvious why she wants to escape... :(

[@nichooper7]

Yes, I think so. And yes, it's not nice to think about : ( Thanks loads for taking the time to comment!

[@curmudgeon1933]

22:35. When Stevie says "Do you think I want to do this?" to Violet, after he's just beaten her half to death, it sounds like a classic case of someone who is unable to face the consequences of their actions and so finds any excuse to blame some external cause. Self-delusion will always turn the narcissist into the victim.

[@GarnetJ]

Unfortunately in cases of domestic violence, it is quite common for the abuser to blame the victim. To claim that they made them do it 🙄 Absolving themselves of blame

[@nichooper7]

Yep, insightful comments that ring true with my understanding of this.

[@jeannewolfe4489]

I so enjoyed watching this with you even though i’ve seen it several times. Moving on to your analysis.

[@WitsEndGirl]

An added perspective is Ren's 'screech's tale Instagram stories' collated in Ren's youtube channel. You can feel the attachment difficulties play out in Screech's relationships and behaviour. You also get an idea about who screech is being raised by. Worth 11 mins.

[@nichooper7]

Yea I really need to get a hold of these videos. I'm going to look later because I'm sure it will give me great insight into screech.

[@williamalexander7481]

Ren has a video that is a collection of short tick toks from screech's point of view. One scene in particular was screech's male guardian (maybe father?) Screaming at screech for coming home late and drunk. The guy ends up slapping him in the back of the head and pushing him inside. I took that as screech being beaten by his guardian.

[@nichooper7]

Thanks for this William, it supports what I was saying somewhat, which is that Screech's badness could probably easily be explained by the bad luck of his upbringing.

[@phaedralewis285]

Does anyone question why Jenny, who is 14, too young to even have a job, is walking the streets thousands of times in high heel shoes alone? Why she wants to escape? In my imagination, while he sings, I picture her as this young girl,, dressed provocatively, too much make up on her young face (rosie off your cheeks) . I always imagine her being a prostitute. Maybe our minds don't go there because it's horrible to think about. It would explain why most of us picture a woman, because there is no logical reason to why a 14 year old girl walks the streets in high heels late at night. Making this so much more tragic in my opinion.,

[@deadassdgaf100]

who said she has a job?? Ren didn't said that....he only said "she was headed back home to sleep".....he NEVER stated, in any way whatsoever, where she was headed back from. 💁🏻‍♀️ SO.... that's just your assumption. also, what's odd about a 14 yr. old walking (in heels or otherwise) back home ALONE?? happens ALL the time..... all over the world. hate to break it to ya, but that's just simply NOT uncommon, mate.

[@nichooper7]

Yea I see Jenny as a prostitute, which is heart breaking any way but especially heart breaking given her history and age.

[@nichooper7]

Interesting - I thought that ren used the high heels as a way to suggest that Jenny was a prostitute but I could well be wrong about that.

[@phaedralewis285]

@@deadassdgaf100 I was just trying to engage and discuss how I interpreted it with other fans, thank you for your point of view.

[@Thomas.Saunders]

In the hands of a lesser creator/performer this might have been melodrama. Thanks for this video.

[@nichooper7]

It's a captivating song / story isn't a it. Im really a big fan of the tales.

[@seth1455]

Someone's learnt how to do picture in picture, well done if you could up the volume of the video playing then everything will be hunky dory

[@nichooper7]

Noted : ) And yep, I was delighted with that although I still haven't quite figured out the audio properly. I'll get there though!

[@EnigmaTimGaming]

20:05-20:15 Whelp! You just dissected my life in 10 seconds. Thanks for that. Not sure what I'm gonna do with the rest of my day now that my mind just got blown wide open.

[@nichooper7]

Lol! Guess you gotta (1) figure out a way of doing quality control and (2) forgive yourself quickly when you realize that you've made unwise choices. Thanks loads for taking the time to comment! Nic

[@cyranobuckminster1970]

I propose that for your next psychological analysis, you do a scene-by-scene breakdown of a classic and deeply moving piece by another lyrical juggernaut of our times: Sir Mix-A-Lot's Baby Got Back.😁

[@nichooper7]

On it. "I like big butts and I cannot lie" is right up there with the depth of lyric shown by Ren in his songs ; )

[@cyranobuckminster1970]

@@nichooper7 I jest, of course. As a 52 year-old American guy from the Midwest with a lifetime of mental health struggles, rarely has an artist touched me to the level that some 33 year-old Welsh kid from Brighton has managed to do lately. His level and depth of talent is staggering.

[@nichooper7]

@@cyranobuckminster1970 Yes, I couldn't agree more.

[@cherylrobbins715]

I think that it’s notable that Ren wrote Violet’s Tale in the year 2005, included in her song. He wrote the songs of Jenny and Screech 8 months ago, according to the notes by each song. That would be close to the 14 years of age in the lyrics, Ren decides to use. If true, interesting.

[@nichooper7]

That is interesting - I assumed that he wrote violets tale last!

[@ianhislop6782]

I think you’re misinformed there. Violet’s Tale was released last July. I understood that he wrote it two years after the other two tales (which were released in 2019). Ren was 15 in 2005, I think it’s unlikely he wrote it then.

[@nichooper7]

@@ianhislop6782 Great, thanks for the info Ian, I'll look into it a little more.

[@jeanwyenberg2774]

No...He deliberately dated Violet's tale as a hint..3 times I think it is he said two zero zero five. He did Jenny and Screech in 2019. They are 14 years old. So their births were in 2005. Violets tale was recorded after Jenny and Screech.

[@rog2224]

I was struck by the performance beats - Tom Waits, Brecht and Weill, and Jake Thackray were the standouts. As to dramatic content - it's almost Classical Greek. Sophocles would certainly recognise the trope of a shared fate wherein three generations die by violence. The 'dear boy' was, to me, the irony one sees in Brecht and Weill. Compare with Mac the Knife.

[@nichooper7]

Looks like I have some research to do Ron!

[@hairball7529]

The Bard of Avon would Approve. 😮

[@nichooper7]

I think so too!

[@frankquinn6872]

One of (among the many) things that are astonishing about Ren's songs are how every single word counts. Even though Jenny has a home to go to, why is she "dragging her feet" - is it fatigue or reluctance? Similarly, why include the information that Richard, the police officer, is "6 foot 3"? Perhaps it's because a police officer this size would easily be able to subdue a 14 year old - until you introduce the presence of the knife. Then then entire situation changes. Also, why does Screech call himself the "ender of men"? His reaction to killing Jenny would suggest that, despite his chequered past, he has not killed anyone before. Is this part of his idea of going out in a blaze of glory - knowing that "suicide by cop" is how it's going to end? If Coleridge was right and poetry is defined as "the best words in the best order" then Ren is a true poet.

[@nichooper7]

Yes lovely stuff there Frank. I agree with you totally that with Ren, every word matters. There are no tokenistic parts, or even weak transitions to get to the next part of the story. It astonishes me too. No doubt for me that he is a true poet. Thanks for taking the time to comment! Nic

[@ronhansen9408]

My interpretation is, Jenny, 'walked this floor a thousand times before,' leads me to believe she was a hooker. Patrick wasn't home because he was busy with Screechs girlfriend.

[@nichooper7]

Yea those seem like important parts of the story don't they. I hope to pick up on them in the analysis.

[@Swisswavey]

Coincidence that both his (Screech's) girlfriend and best mate are busy? I suspect not.

[@nichooper7]

This only occurred to me through comment so the video! But it says a lot about the instability in Screeches life.

[@timhuffmaster3588]

This is my second time visiting your channel and my first time hearing this gentleman. Are you certain that you aren’t a surgeon as well? I’m off to watch the analysis video and I’m sure I’ll have more to share after that. Thanks!

[@MizCriz46]

Just a couple reactions to your thoughts - Dressed like a hoodlum? In a track suit? C'mon. Instead, the fingerless gloves & the rich, dark - medieval - colors, regardless of the actual clothes, became a part of his medieval minstrel character as soon as he started playing classical guitar. I've commented elsewhere that the voice coach/reactor, The Charismatic Voice, said that the "trumpet sound" he makes is a vocal warmup technique. Ren would know that because his mother is/was a voice teacher. Then Ren coughs. So the minstrel has warmed up his voice & cleared his throat in preparation for his performance. Jenny walking the streets - Every woman knows you don't walk city streets in high heels. It's very uncomfortable. And if she'd walked them 100 times, they'd be familiar. 1,000 times makes it drudgery. So the prostitute connection is easy to make. Screech, "Dear boy" - I don't see as softening but rather being cynical/ironic. "Our villain" is the way the minstrel refers to him to his audience. One thing not mentioned is Stevie saying, "Do you think I want to do this?" Classic not-my-fault-/you-drove-me-to-it/you-deserve-it rationalization.

[@nichooper7]

Yes, some great analysis there! I guess we all take different things from it!

[@robertobachmann5462]

Hi Dr. Nic, Maybe Jenny for living a not very happy childhood, most likely in orphanages, or places of shelter where in order to pay for her living she had to prostitute herself, Ren describes her with high heels when she returns home, maybe the streets, those same streets that she traveled a thousand times were her home. Unfortunately that is a reality that many girls and boys live in this world, who are orphans and grow up perhaps where. The other thing, though it may not matter much, Screech's friend or girlfriend may have been busy with friend Patrick who never answered Screech's knock on the door... Unfortunately as English is not my language and I do not speak it, I only understand very little and have to help myself with the translator.

[@nichooper7]

Great points there, and things I'll hopefully manage to pick up on in the analysis! Thanks Roberto!

[@belindamelville2270]

Ren❤❤❤

[@stevebrown9955]

He reminds me of a modern day, Shakespeare

[@nichooper7]

I wonder what will happen with Ren in the coming decades, and how he will be looked back on in time. Perhaps he won't be spoken in the same sentence of Shakespeare but it wouldn't surprise me if time looks back on him in a similar way.

[@stevebrown9955]

Very true he is a special young man his music and stories even speak to people my age

[@mjfseven]

Great story telling.

[@Bearlissimo]

19:57 Violet she fell fast... Fell pregnant.

[@Bearlissimo]

23:10 Also, we have Violet, who's reaction to trauma is silence... "A lady shaped stalagmite" was used for Jenny who also reacted by freezing & being silent... Is it just another situation with similar circumstances?

[@dehro]

@@Bearlissimo I think it's more a case of falling for Stevie's seduction

[@Bearlissimo]

@@dehro ok, I think it's a deliberate double meaning & foreshadowing that Ren does constantly

[@dehro]

@@Bearlissimo you could be right... He is quite clever that way

[@nichooper7]

Yea, nice observations here. I like the silence comparison you've drawn between violet and Jenny.

[@seth1455]

If Screech never met his father and was presumably adopted why would he adopt his biological fathers trait for violence ? in our DNA or a learnt behaviour ?

[@nichooper7]

That's the million dollar question of basically everything Seth!

[@sketchtherapy1218]

Is violets father the father of Jenny & Screech? how did she get a semi detached council flat at 16 with a welfare scheme is this something they would do for a 16 year old impregnated by her father?

[@barbararuff4507]

Violet was pregnant when she met Stevie. That's why he keeps accusing her of lying

[@sketchtherapy1218]

@@barbararuff4507 yeah the kids come from incest but Stevie os insecure and thinks she had a secret boyfriend insecure people get very violent right? If he was secure he’d either leave or forget about it.

[@nichooper7]

Interesting - could certainly be the case.

[@guitarmuscle6968]

Been trying to get you a link for the back story to this Nic but the KZbin bots keep deleting my comments as I’m posting links and mentioning another Social Media page, Ren did a video as publicity for Screech’s Tale that went Viral as people thought it was real, the Video is on his channel page from 4yrs ago around the tales videos, it mentions another Social Media page so seems to be unlinkable here, underneath the video Ren gives the back story.

[@nichooper7]

Is that what keeps happening! I click on your comment and then it disappears - I didn't know about the link thing. Okay, I'll take a look when I get a chance! Thank you

[@papertrucker1]

Hi hope your enjoying the long weekend off. Think your getting addicted to your blog lol. You have taken off since your first. Hope you got your own camera now and not using your sons.

[@nichooper7]

Still using my boys camera! Enjoying the process though! Thanks Craig, Nic.

[@davidmadisontheguardian]

My guess is that Jenny was a prostitute. Walked the street a thousand times... and finally found a place to sleep... speaks of not having a home. I was homeless and I saw some things in many different cities. All kinds of things; and that language screams homeless. When you're homeless, often you are told, "You can't sleep here. If you're going to sleep, go somewhere else." You're walking around like a zombie, and people are constantly ushering you on. It becomes an art to find a place to sleep long enough where you can actually get some rest and not be thrown in jail; and not kicked awake by a security guard, or mugged or raped or jumped by college kids. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Money, or the lack of it, means lack of security and safety of your person and your personal belongings. Jenny, in a run down area, where her mother had been murdered by accident, is trying to survive any way she knows how. There's no judgement, here. You don't know what lengths you'll go to, to survive, to stay warm, to find love, shelter, safety, security. If you can't get those things 100%; you'll settle for what you can get in the meantime. DM

[@nichooper7]

That's an incredible perspective on this song. Your words gave me a real insight into your experience of homelessness and so thank you for taking the time to teach me. It makes more sense thay Jenny was homeless now, possibly not a prostitute.

[@MrCBTman]

I like your analysis, but it would help your reactions if you automatically went back a few seconds on each restart.

[@nichooper7]

Great spot - I'll see if I can figure out how to do that!

[@kingwen1286]

I think it happens on the streets of London because the story is Dickensian and relates to the two children hiding under the cloak of the Ghost of Christmas Present. They are called Ignorance and Want. "They cling to me, appealing from their fathers...Beware them both, and all their degree, but most of all beware of the boy, for on his brow I see that is written which is Doom, unless it can be erased." Ren is appealing to us to erase the programming of generational trauma. I think this fits well whether Ren intended it or not.

[@nichooper7]

Wow - that's a level of analysis that Im going to struggle to reach!

[@kingwen1286]

@@nichooper7 Well, I got on this accidentally. The melody he plays at the beginning is God rest ye merry gentlemen let nothing you dismay (because of the miraculous birth on xmas day). I looked up the lyrics for this and one of the things that comes up is that Ebeneezer Scrooge was infuriated by carol singers doing this song. So I looked into it a bit more. Ren references the song at the end when he says the birth of Jenny and Screech is a tragedy or miracle. I'm probably just rambling, not Ren's intent at all.

[@nichooper7]

@@kingwen1286 Lol! I think it's brilliantly perceptive and too much of a coincidence!

[@kingwen1286]

@@nichooper7 I listened to it again and he jazzes the opening melody so much is it really God rest ye merry gentlemen or just a bit like it? Perceptive as it might be ha ha it may just be a ramble

[@markbeckens]

When you did the first video did you think you'd become a reactor?

[@nichooper7]

I did not! I'm not sure I am one just yet, but let's see where I am in a year!

[@markbeckens]

@@nichooper7 I'll remind you in a year. Can I make a suggestion for another artist?

[@nichooper7]

@@markbeckens Absolutely!

[@markbeckens]

@@nichooper7 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKmpf6OohbSXqdU

[@markbeckens]

I think you will enjoy that. His name is Jelly roll.

[@frenchykush1836]

Reading✌️.. Scripted…

[@nichooper7]

In my earlier videos I had notes, but my recent videos are pure blind reactions. It's hard to find time these days to study a piece before doing a reaction. Take care my friend

[@frenchykush1836]

@@nichooper7 that’s as real as it gets, respect mii dear friend..

[@Theogvineofthedead]

Noooooo no one wants to watch a reaction where you have seen it before bruh...

[@thanosdarkseid8695]

all 3 songs GO TO GETHER AS IN TO HEAR!!...................

[@paul2598]

Excellent analysis. 👏 But at 25:36 I think Jenny probably wasn’t coming from work she was only 14 just like Screech. I think she probably had a rough life of domestic abuse from her adopted parents.

[@nichooper7]

Thanks Paul, and I totally agree about Jenny. It's all so sad because we know that this sort of stuff has happened to children.

[@SlippedGear]

Another artist you may find interesting is NF and his song Mansion. The lyric video is especially helpful for analyzing! Just search here on KZbin: NF - Mansion (Lyrics) It is not a literal mansion he is rapping about, just to give you a hint.

[@nichooper7]

Brilliant! I'm going to take a look! Thanks loads for the recommendation. Nic