Were Bachmann Lashing Out? & Point Motor Peril ! Iron Horse Weekly ep83

Point motors can be tricky, so here's how
I did it! Easy enough and far more simple than under the board! having XPS as a base really helps!
We also discuss what's happening with ‪@LocomotionMotion‬ and the whole debacle caused by Bachmann's unfair copyright strike!

[@gerrybvr]

I saw the original video as a random YT suggestion. I thought it was a tad harsh but in a funny, tongue in cheek way. I hadn't heard of Locomotion Motions channel prior to this, smiled and moved on. It has since evolved into a classic example of the Streisand Effect. Well done Bachmann, own foot well and truly shot.

[@Michaelgoestofrance]

I saw the original Locomotion Motion Bachmann critique vid. To be honest, Bachmann's reaction comes across as a hissy fit. And, as you say, it sets a nasty precedent.

[@PeachyTT120]

Bachmann couldn’t have got it more wrong if they tried 🤣 You can’t buy exposure like this Locomotion motion must be loving it…

[@LocomotionMotion]

I am :)

[@PeachyTT120]

@@LocomotionMotion 🤣🤣🤣

[@bugler75]

@@LocomotionMotion”Chuffed” to see you here 😁👍🏼

[@michaelpowell3980]

Tickle chuffed, in fact@@bugler75

[@BritishRail60062]

Locomotion Motion hit the nail right on the head. I saw the video and he really did roast the hell out of Bachmann but that it was funny and the way I see it is that he was also kind of poking fun at them too in the process. Bachmann was very unreasonable with they mal-handed attack and a false misuse of their content. Good efforts on LM though for not backing down to these bullying antics and companies like Bachmann should realise that they need us more than we need them.

[@mels1811]

Brilliant video Iron Horse Railways

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

Hey spotted one of my vids in the background!!!!!!

[@IronHorseRailways]

I often have your videos on as I'm modelling mate, the ambience of the railway is soothing lol

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

@@IronHorseRailways you have good taste my man!

[@lucitonstjames3925]

Nice video Craig. I think for your elevated section you'd be better off with a sheet of foam board from the Range for a few quid, easier to work with / glue / make stronger than the polystyrene & work with the Metcalfes. With the locomotion video. Behind the Jerry Sadowitch style delivery ,he did make some very sharp points about the launch. The opening sequence in the repair shop was a clear dig at Accurascale.There's obviously no love lost there since Steve Purves made the switch & a clear not liking the newbie treading on their toes. When Hornby launched its TT120 , Bachmanns video making a clear reference by including the Thomas the tank range as if to say we only won't be bothering as we already make a toy train range. Incurring being blocked by the manufacturers on social media is something I can vouch for. I can more than cope. With Bachmann well I guess the carefully cultivated image / brand they've crafted since 1990 is something they can't have being lampooned., After all in the USA Bachmann was always the poor relation to Athearn /Walthers, noted for poor quality - cheap motors & not so great build. Doesn't quite sit well with its image in the the UK of being the market leading hi quality brand producing Rolls Royce models at Rolls Royce prices.

[@IronHorseRailways]

Got more plans for that elevated section but foam will be involved 😁 cheers mate!

[@MIKELANETT120]

Fantastic content and well said 👍

[@ModelRailwaysUnlimited]

Hi, The Bachmann thing. Like you it leaves an uneasy feeling the idea that public reviews can be silenced by misusing the copyright process on KZbin! However that said the original video did poke fun at, gaslight and personally make fun of one of Bachmann's staff. I think this was a mistake and probably what generated the take down request.

[@blackjockofmangertonpele]

Locomotion eMotion; like others here, I felt that there was little warmth in the critique (except from the flames, that is) and the ridiculing of the presenters was bordering on cruel. They're only company spokesmen, not TV professionals.

[@gerrybvr]

Agreed. It would be my main criticism of the original video. No need to get personal. Play the ball not the man.

[@Jaherick]

I watched a couple of his vids and he just trashes everything, people included. I now don’t watch his vids as I don’t believe it’s not a fair criticism of the companies. One of the companies just had enough, good for them. This sort of trash does nothing for the hobby.

[@DJ_K666]

I saw both the original and the replacement videos and theres a caption reference to it on the new one. Itll definitely make me think for an ectra second before buying something. Im not going to sell off all my Bachmann stuff in a rage as that'd be the majority of my locos and coaching stock plus a good handful of my wagons lol! But it does serve as a reminder that maybe if theyre caught doing this sort of thing they get a sharp reminder why its not a very good idea. Maybe a piece in the model railway press. I know @Sam'sTrains style might not be to everyone's taste but he's generally honest in his reviews and the Salvage or Scrap videos are interesting too.

[@steved5356]

There are companies who take customer satisfaction very seriously, i.e the customer is always front and centre, and they embrace good and bad in order to improve their offerings, and others companies (like Bachman) who clearly don’t.

[@bugler75]

To be honest, I went and looked up Bachman’s website after Locomotion Motions first video. If I’d seen the second one first I’d not have bothered. And I peed myself laughing too😁👍🏼

[@sim00ps]

Top marks for the gta1 sample!

[@IronHorseRailways]

yyyeesss!!! SOMEONE got it!😂😂 - what better music for getting slapped??😁❤️

[@sim00ps]

​@@IronHorseRailwayshad those lyrics memorised for 27 years!

[@HenrikSweden1]

you have a nice layout. Mine is rather small too so i have all my points or switches within reach . Using digitrax handles i only use switches with no motors. Makes everything very simple and a bit less expensive too. Just follow that train and change the switch by hand. Works great with dcc too.

[@clivengauge]

Hi Craig great video very informative the point motor on top is a good idea also the tunnel is to to look good

[@IronHorseRailways]

Cheers Clive😁

[@JohnDavies-cn3ro]

Actually, I can honestly say that the Locomotion critique influenced my decision not to buy any Bachman models this coming year. Their own promo did that - there is simply nothing in this year's range that I actually either want or need........

[@IronHorseRailways]

I do honestly love Bachmann, their quality is very high and I've never had a bad loco or wagon from them and that's a fact - every else?... Well, not so much !

[@JohnDavies-cn3ro]

@@IronHorseRailways I have a fair bit of their stock, actually - particularly GWR locos and private trader wagons. But, as I said, if they don't make anything I want, I won't be buying it......

[@damianinCanadaTT-OO]

Totally agree on Bachmann. Get a sense of humour guys and if you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen or up your cooking skills. I saw the original and it is pretty harsh but that channel is like that. Watch his review of the Hornby 2024 announcement

[@WWIIREBEL]

I have very few bachmann locomotives due to various quality control issues. Admittedly, not ALL of their products are bad (rolling stock), just that i have always had a bad run of luck getting a bad product in the end. These days , Rapido , Athearn , Walther's , Hornby and a few other locomotives and rolling stock makers are my game.

[@LocomotionMotion]

Oooh, you found that photo of me (lol). Actually, is it Greg Hemphill ?

[@IronHorseRailways]

😂❤️

[@jongmans38]

I think all the train manufacturers are milking the hobby with prices to various degree's, Not sustainable or indicators of growth.

[@PeckhamHall]

If they had a brain, instead of 3 or 4 company's making the same loco, 1 or 2 could be making the same loco in P4 or 3mm/foot scale, or even 5.5mm/foot scale, which would be a nice size I think, and it would be better for everyone involved.

[@aberfordwest4003]

I’d say overall yes, but I do think manufacturers like Accurascale and dapol, when you consider what they’re giving you, offer good value for money

[@ronjohnston8693]

hi, at the bottom of each down load youtube asks for comments, I understand a part of the comment was personal? not sure I did not see it, was there any need for that probably not, but any body following the model train hobby reads all that comes from the manufacturers and are entitled to comment, I feel Bachmann have made a big mistake without their input how many people would actually have even heard of this comment? enjoy your channel keep up the good work regards Ron

[@user-fn1bh3qr6m]

Nice informative video Craig. On the other channel references I have not seen it, nor do I want to now as my opinion would be biased. I hope the company realize it’s seemingly annoying modellers. Justified?….. don’t know didn’t see it not interested.

[@andydavidson9440]

Fair comments about Bachmann Craig and i doubt it really did them any favours; are they feeling the pressure of competition from our relatively new disruptors? Lets hope so and then they will look to the value they provide. I know you have healthy connections with DCC Concepts (exhibitions etc,) but are we banging their drum a bit much these days? 😉Nice to see the application of IP digitals with remote rodding to give the versatility when you need a point in just the wrong place!

[@IronHorseRailways]

It's a drum well worth banging on, I honestly wouldn't bother if I didn't already use their products and found them genuinely useful mate 🤠

[@timbo66]

Bachman seem to be doing what a lot of companies do now. I`ve seen this across a couple of other hobbies I have, shutting down or shutting up YT channels,. I guess they don`t have the magazines who rely on their advertising. (and yes, I still buy RM and MR)

[@martinshipman3260]

Silly question, what keeps the adjustable plastic pivot in the set place? Coming along nicely.

[@IronHorseRailways]

Once set, just a tiny bit of PVA or hot glue works well for me - no need for super glue etc 😁

[@hamshackleton]

Unavoidably ethnic - but that is the general Bachmann attitude to everyone else. They are right, and even if they are wrong, they are still right! - - - - Remote point motors - I've been doing that for years with Hornby solenoids, rather than use that weird little 'hut' that fits over them. A length of 1mm spring-steel wire (often referred to as piano wire) is sufficiently stiff to not need tubing, with a Z bend at one end, and a 90' bend at the other, The z bend goes through the solenoid 'slider' bar, and the other end fits through the tie-bar on the point (made with a hole for the under-board motor rod). It doesn't even need to be exactly in line. If you have a longer run, you can include an 'squared-off' Omega sign, to act as a damper spring. Or, instead of the solenoid, you can use those translucent (ten for a pound - actually about £2.50 each now) servos - intended for lightweight model aircraft - and a 'servo tester' module costing about £3 to control it. With a bit of switchery, one 'tester' can control a lot of servo's - one at a time. A lot of years back, (pre- 2018?) I posted photo's on Monday club on how the solenoid and wire method worked - if you go digging, you will find it again. edited.

[@StBlazeyModelWorld]

Great video Craig, as usual. I cannot help but admire a man who cuts hot foam on to his slippers :) I think the community has now got the impression that Accurascale engage with their customers while Bachmann have, on this occasion at least, chosen to attack. The attitude of a "God given right to customers" has been the downfall of many a national retailer in the past. BHS, Woolworths, C&A....the list goes on and on. A dangerous strategy!

[@IronHorseRailways]

The slippers have survived, the modeling room floor is full of dead hedgehogs, foam cuttings and various excreta!😂

[@StBlazeyModelWorld]

@@IronHorseRailways Top man! Once again, you set the bench mark for others to aspire to. I'm just off to town to purchase my own slippers to feature in one of my upcoming videos :) On a serious note - you do great stuff mate and raise very valid points

[@IronHorseRailways]

@@StBlazeyModelWorld I've no time for messing about, what am I supposed to do? Give the impression that when I'm off camera doing modelling I'm in a laboratory in a boiler suit??? No!! I'm barely even dressed 😂

[@StBlazeyModelWorld]

@@IronHorseRailways You are not alone mate. In my videos where I am on camera it is whatever I am wearing at the time. :)

[@user-ki8mo6xc7y]

I personally couldn't care less who slams what company, that's fine. What I thought was mean spirited and wholly uncalled for was his schoolyard style nastiness towards the presenter. That was pathetic and speaks volumes about the locomotion guy in my view.

[@IronHorseRailways]

I agree, it's one thing aiming your cannons at a faceless company, but why bring personal insults into it? A shame really 😔

[@breintonjunction791]

Hi Craig, didn’t see the locomotion video so can’t comment, but you can ring Bachmann with your problems Accurascale you can’t when you’re a computer dummy like me I can’t get hold of them sent a 37 back to them last November haven’t heard anything since quite worrying as I sent another one back in January just got one back that was sent though Rails last November Accurascale needs a phone number cheers Al

[@thomazpank]

The problem is certain people want to kick this up into a fuss by bandying around terms like "abuse of the system" because it tugs at your heart strings and makes you sympathetic towards them or a general cause and gets them a click or two. The facts of the matter are this: Locomotion motion uploaded a video containing significant portions of bachmanns work. Bachmann then issued a strike, do we know if they did this based on the material used or as some contend because of the critical nature of the video? No we do not know this for sure yet we are affirming that they did it because of the tone the video took. We shouldn't do this because we should stick to what we know. Bachmann offered LM a chance to discuss the matter and resolve it, the email he got clearly states this was an option which he opted to avoid. We are yet to hear why he opted to avoid taking this path. LM then made a video stating bachmann were claiming his whole video based on a couple of words in the email which he misrepresents to mean bachmann were claiming the whole video as their creation, they were not these words simply relate to the points at which their content was used and that it was used throughout the entire video which it was. Other youtubers jump on the wagon and claim that it is abuse of the system. All the while, no one has challenged it, no one has taken any steps to show an actual abuse of the system. They've just acted like a bunch of kids and decided it must be because it interrupted something they find to be funny. Calling this abuse of the system cheapens the term, it takes away from genuine cases of abuse of the system, it poisons the well for those who want to genuinely use the system to protect their work because if they do who's to say they won't face a backlash simply for filing a complaint they feel is entirely legitimate. This isn't upholding youtube as a great place for creators, it's degrading the ability of creators to defend what is theirs because it shows that no matter how genuine your concern is, which bachmanns may have been but we simply do not know, if you raise it you will be attacked for doing so. We should ignore and mock locomotion motion, he has done nothing to follow the proper procedures to be able to say bachmann censored him for his views, he is a cry baby who is playing every one of you for sympathy and views.

[@IronHorseRailways]

Significant? It was less than one minute total of an hour long stream - that's not significant whatsoever. Consider the following opinion. Of course there's going to be more to this, there's always more to things like this! Bachmann chose to strike him, unfairly given what the strike system is there for. Bachmann aren't trying to protect their work here, that's for certain, as there isn't anything being taken by LM's original video, it's just his opinion and a little satire (misplaced perhaps, but irrelevant for this case) Now, had he uploaded their entire video, then yes that would be stealing content, that's what the strike system is for. Not for taking videos down that you just don't like, that's why his re-roasted video is still up - it can't be stricken down as there's no content in there to use as an excuse scape goat. That's all.

[@thomazpank]

@@IronHorseRailways what matters is not the quantity of work used in comparison to the length of the original work, you can use a couple of sentenses from the whole lord of the rings trilogy and still not be fair use if the use of that work exceeds that needed to make your point. The work created was made up of significant quantities of bachmanns work be that video clips or still images displayed while the voice over ran. Now if they feel the use was beyond that needed to make the points he wished to make they are absolutely 100% within their rights to challenge it, if he feels he used it fairly he is 100% within his rights to challenge it. We are coming out on the side of the person who is trying to stamp out the rights of the copyright holder to stick their hand up and ask if the use is too much, a copyright strike isn't even them saying or youtube saying for sure you did the thing, its an allegation and then your video is taken down if you do not respond to it. They probably didn't challenge the reupload because they realised they're dealing with a troll who has no respect of the system and will just use any use of it, legitimate or otherwise, to cause a stink, they learned the old saying don't feed the troll. That's very much what he is, a troll. As you can tell from him milking this rather than challenging it, or just taking it on the chin for using so much of someone elses material to construct his work.

[@IronHorseRailways]

@@thomazpank interesting view point, thanks for taking part!

[@thomazpank]

@@IronHorseRailways Not a problem. Seen the exact same thing played out over and over in other areas of youtube, some people just wanna be able to do absolutely anything they want and label it as fair use when it is anything but clear that it is. Bachmann are not in the wrong for trying to protect their work if they feel he crossed that line.

[@sim00ps]

​@@thomazpankoh boy. It should be obvious that he was reviewing not just the announcements, but the stream as a whole. The guys video clearly was criticism and parody of said stream. If he was being complimentary of Bachmann do you seriously think they would have issued the strike? The answer is no. Because there was no risk to them of losing copyright of the stream. There was no commercial infringement or loss of earnings. It wasn't a copy of the stream. He clearly was reviewing it.

[@whetstonebridge4801]

Plenty of us come to KZbin looking for reviews of all sorts of products before we stump up any cash. It would be pretty daft of KZbin to block all content containing any sort of criticism. They would lose a lot of custom. Sam's Trains could end up in a tricky spot if Bachmann get away with it. A channel that could only offer praise to manufacturers would be rather boring. If it's a 50:50 between buying a product from a large company that treats its customers with disdain, or from a smaller one that welcomes client interaction, it's not a difficult decision to make. The larger the Accurascale & Cavalex ranges, the easier it is for us to stick two fingers up at the big manufacturers.

[@JohnDavies-cn3ro]

If you want - really want - uncritical, fawning reviews of new models, go read the model railway mags. They're full of them. Never bite the hand that feeds you is the general principle.

[@markweightman3805]

Bachmann have really got it wrong - I saw the original YT video, and nothing wrong with the critique of the Bachmann announcements, but possible a bit too personal on the Bachmann Staff. What Bachmann should have done was reach out to Locomotion motion and ask him to redo the video without the personal insults.

[@MrVinnyh]

Like many I watched the Locomotion Motion, maybe was a tad harsh but in a funny, but done with tongue in cheek way, Richie's walk on the Bachmann release vlog was very WOODEN TOP so LM just clipped the very unnatural walk was even funny unclipped. It was true about Bachmann new line up as being uninspiring £300 to uncouple a loco! Bachmann's 31 will not on my list of locos to buy & probably might only start to purchase used Bachmann products over new due to their heavy handedness. Bachmann have done themselves no favours.

[@FormallyknownasE100]

Having seen the og video… …I personally felt that it was in very poor taste and the characterisation of Richard at the end was effectively bullying. That being said, a copyright strike is not correct and a very worrying development and a real shame to see.

[@IronHorseRailways]

I agree, no need to make it personal like that

[@grahamallen1970]

@@IronHorseRailways quite correct .....but in your vid you could of indicated that in a stronger terms? At the expense of a roasting! From fellow yt creators

[@grahamallen1970]

Let's not loose sight of the bachmann letter might of been there corporate way of protecting Richard 🤔 after all they have a duty of care to staff!....possible that is why they went down the copy right line to quickly bring bullying of there staff to a end? Yt creators ( no names ) have jumped on to let's defend our rights to critique! Only a opinion of one person which there are many!

[@HighFell]

Whilst some will enjoy Bachmann Bashing, the parent company (Kader Holdings) is in real distress, share value has dropped to 3.2p and is stagnant (no trading) the annual revenues have dropped dramatically year on year on year. It’s clear parent has subsidised Bachmann Europe manufacturing costs which was ok while the Property Investment side of Kader could bankroll the model and toy business, sadly China has seen the property market collapse. Bachmann Inc, US model division is on its knees and virtually irrelevant (according to US Financial reports) so what does that mean… Kader control many manufacturing facilities for a number of smaller brands.. it’s illegal in China for a non Chinese company to own a Chinese facility. Which means, apparently successful UK model companies could fail if Kader fails. Ironically Kader pulling rug from under Hornby years ago did them a favour, they have other manufacturing contracts in place and multiple slots booked years ahead. Be careful what you wish for …. Matey boy making snidey videos won’t put models in boxes for you to buy

[@IronHorseRailways]

Maybe rug pulling is what they need?

[@mccarronfamily]

Kader only supply Bachmann, no other factories for anyone else, Hornby, Dapol, Haljan, Accurascale, etc, use Kader.

[@gordonhanning476]

I think that Bachmanns reaction was a bit over the top personally. I really don't think that they did themselves any favours. Doesn't look good.

[@petercole2092]

Bachmann's reaction to Locomotion Motion video was due to the personal attack on Richard Poundman. I saw the first video ok by all means poke fun at the product range but don't cross the line on personal mockery. The second video is not much better to be honest. I'm not sure why Sam's Trains decided to weigh in on the debate maybe for clicks but his sort of threat to Bachmann over strike system could back fire on him. I'm sure Bachmann can take a joke just don't go down the line of personal attack. Just lately I have noticed that some 00 gauge KZbinrs are getting nasty or having nasty comments in their comments section Allan of Dragon Junction has been having problems again on his last video he sounded very down and fed up with the nastiness he had to put up with and I got the impression that could be the his last video. The hobby is meant be fun so is putting up KZbin videos can we just chill out and enjoy it.

[@IronHorseRailways]

Yes absolutely agree, there's enough nastiness and hate without making things personal, it's not cricket!

[@saltspringrailway3683]

We come from 'ull where did you get that accent?

[@IronHorseRailways]

Leeds originally 😁

[@ausfoodgarden]

Look, in this ridiculously over-PC world we live in, it's just wrong to judge anyone's efforts as below-par. Bachmann is maybe just following the snowflake trend. If that comment hurt anyone's feelings - Harden the **** up. As I said on his channel. The best way to raise interest is to get banned. Well done Bachmann. Oh, btw. Nice video (you decide if I actually meant that or not) 🤣

[@KingTrump2024]

If Bachmann received a bad review on the internet, they should accept it and move on ! Bachmann, you are over priced and cheaply made ..... so when us hobbiests get ripped off, we will make a point to let others know !

[@wyvernmodelrailway]

You can't get away from the fact that Locomotion Motion used Bachmann content to make fun of them. It was wrong. Whether the punishment fitted the crime, I'm not so sure.

[@IronHorseRailways]

Bachmann are known for taking the piss with prices so, it's a bit back maybe?😂

[@dakdak7609]

Which is perfectly fine under the KZbin rules.

[@gordonmcillroy455]

I think if he had not made personal parodies of two Bachman employees who would not be able to respond his video would have been much better. Yes the launch was awful and Hornby's was as well. I didn't see it as satire more of bullying.

[@IronHorseRailways]

It's a tricky and fine line isn't it? Thanks for watching 😃

[@platformten5958]

Hi Craig. Watched. Paul. 👍❤ 21:22

[@bachmannobsessed2234]

I’ve been saying for months how Accurascales class 37’s have serious motor issues!!!!! Obviously not all of them but more than half, accurascale staff have tried bully tactics towards myself all for naming n shaming them!!!!!! Over past 10 months n if Bachmann did threaten Locomotion motion then that’s also bang outta order too as free speech should be allowed!!!!!! Name n shame any company brand that has issues i say, would definitely like to see him do one on accurascales class 37’s motor ha

[@grahamallen1970]

Do the roasting but the personal stuff was way to school yard bullying and unpleasant to see.... at the end of the day the bachmann staff member /s can not respond due to corporate responsibilities ... Bad taste but got the yt view numbers up At the end of the day its TOY TRAINS! dont like the price ...go elsewhere dont like there attitude...go elsewhere 😊

[@fullyemployed]

Got to find a way to get clicks, expect things to degenerate even further, locomotion motion is just a lowering of the bar further from other things like steves00gauge. This is just the sh1te that managed to stick to the shoe and get trodden around a bit more than normal.

[@grahamallen1970]

@@fullyemployed well your not wrong there...can't think why it's got this way!....oh!... monetisation? can't be that much but I don't know so I'll informed to coment...but not getting any clicks from me! so some will like loco m some won't some will click as fear of missing out!🤨 You tube can offer some good stuff but there are the bad bitter apples around Sorry to rant on iron horse's content!

[@fullyemployed]

@@grahamallen1970 comments are interactions which please our algorithmic overload, this is helping Mr Horses channel out really no matter what it is we discuss.