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@dvtye33784 жыл бұрын
Imagine walking through your town's park one day to see some skinny white dude moving an arrow on a sign and going "HITLEEEEEEEER".
@erinrising27994 жыл бұрын
that was my thought too, like that would look so messed up to someone just walking by
@modernlion23724 жыл бұрын
LMFAO!!
@fakshen19734 жыл бұрын
Imagine walking through a park and seeing a monument built to honor a guy who wanted to see your ancestors enslaved. Why was it put up? Because he wanted to see your ancestors enslaved.
@paxmule4 жыл бұрын
@@fakshen1973 AND YOU as well.
@razerfish4 жыл бұрын
@@fakshen1973 I'd check it out and think it was cool. Wouldn't poop my pants over it.
@riotbreaker35064 жыл бұрын
Robert E. Lee: please don't build statues. 1950's: I'm gonna stop you right there
@a-drewg17164 жыл бұрын
George Washington: Hey guys don't form political Parties. Literally the next election season : I'm gonna stop you right there.
@mathunit14 жыл бұрын
@Devin Salmon Still doesn't disprove his point.
@ike30944 жыл бұрын
Actually, only the most ignorant "educated fool" (Someone who has been EDUCATED to be a FOOL!) would contend that Robert E. Lee was not in favor of monuments to our Southern heroes! In the correct context what Lee said, translated into gutter English that you can understand, "Don't be puttin' up any marble Johnny Rebs plantin' a marble Rebel flag in a marble Billy Yank's nasty butt! " Comprende???
@ike30944 жыл бұрын
@Egg T Speaking of "illiterate", did you actually READ your comment BEFORE you posted it? You would get an "F" in English class!
@maxwellli70573 жыл бұрын
@@ike3094 Are you capitalising random words in full? The Grammar Wehrmacht will visit your house soon.
@samhayzen3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact; many confederate "hero" statues were erected in response to the civil rights movement
@rick74243 жыл бұрын
And that detail is crucial. They were a direct responce by people who did not want the equality that was being argued by MLK. That is was those statues signify. History does not occur in a vacuum. Who built what, when and especially why matters.
@realperson55753 жыл бұрын
lol erected
@tlee51ftw2 жыл бұрын
Most Confederate statues were erected between 1890 and 1929, about 30 years after the end of the Civil War. During this time Jim Crow laws were being enacted, and the first generation of African Americans born outside of slavery were deemed a threat to white people and their way of life.
@mikal99042 жыл бұрын
@@tlee51ftw Not only that but the statues would be racist if the war had never happened and they had been built beforehand
@BrysonTheRebel20052 жыл бұрын
@@mikal9904 a statue dosnt have thoughts of its own.
@SC-RGX7 Жыл бұрын
Why is the confederacy celebrated in the US? Isn't that the most unamerican thing ever?
@AmericanValorian Жыл бұрын
How is Americans, unAmerican?
@SC-RGX7 Жыл бұрын
@@AmericanValorian idk, civil war, wanting to be out of the US, new government and all. Pretty unamerican
@AmericanValorian Жыл бұрын
@@SC-RGX7 but they were Americans, fighting Americans, if Americans fighting Americans in America isn't American what is?
@dropyourself Жыл бұрын
@@AmericanValorian supporting the losers of a war to keep slavery alive is pro American if you think about it because it's in the constitution that slavery is legal so if you don't support the confederates you don't support the constitution and are actually unamerican
@SC-RGX7 Жыл бұрын
@@AmericanValorian pretty unamerican. They were against the US as a whole for the confederacy. Haven't you learned history at school?
@craboomba4 жыл бұрын
"monument for the battle of liberty place" Alright "where white nationalists battled with the police" Okay makes sense, it's probably a monument commemorating the police force "monument honors the white league as martyrs" Holdup
@charleswyllie4263 жыл бұрын
@@SouthernGentleman Yep, he became Republican after the war. Recalcitrant White Southerners considered him a scalawag.
@Altrantis3 жыл бұрын
Maybe they should make a new monument commemorating the police instead. Just cause the white league shouldn't get a monument doesn't mean the event should be forgotten.
@ragingroyal7293 жыл бұрын
@@HIGHCOMMAND42 yeah some confederate soldiers weren’t racist, doesn’t mean we should honour the confederacy though. Like some Wehrmacht soldiers weren’t members of the NSDAP or supported their ideology but doesn’t mean we should fly NSDAP flags in commiseration
@JackSmith-hm7fh3 жыл бұрын
@@ragingroyal729 Exactly
@Quasimodo-mq8tw3 жыл бұрын
I get the feeling that there be more off these in the future
@sunglassdubsteps52684 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Robert E. Lee did not want people to put up a statue of him.
@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis97143 жыл бұрын
What a fool.
@jefftanner6903 жыл бұрын
R E Lee was a pretty good guy overall
@deeznoots62413 жыл бұрын
@@jefftanner690 Robert E Lee actively tried to sue the government to keep hold of slaves that he was contractually obliged by his fathers will to free, he was a slaver piece of shit
@paschen17913 жыл бұрын
@@deeznoots6241 still an honourable general
@deeznoots62413 жыл бұрын
@@paschen1791 still a slaver piece of shit, he is basically the same guy as Rommel, a piece of shit racist who gets memorised in popular history as a honourable general
@bobdole49163 жыл бұрын
That talk about Lee being respected by both sides reminds me of how the Red Baron was hugely respected by both sides. When he was shot down locals in the area tore apart his plane because they all wanted a piece of that history. But the death of Baron von Richthofen actually shows a very consistent thing about Germany's mentality for war: namely that their best were put out there at the front until they won or were dead, while here in the US the prevailing ideology was to pull the best out of combat so they could train others. The Red Baron has 80 aerial combat victories to his name, the most of any pilot in WWI, while Rickenbacker, the US's best pilot, has only 26 before they pulled him from combat to train incoming pilots. Germany even carried that mentality into WWII, so as the war dragged on their pool of elite pilots just got smaller and smaller. Sorry, weird aside for a video about statues in New Orleans.
@Tigershark_30822 жыл бұрын
This is still great info to learn!
@michaireneuszjakubowski5289 Жыл бұрын
von Richthofen is also interesting in that in his writings, he presented a pretty sombre outlook on his role as a soldier; "I am in wretched spirits after every aerial combat. I believe that [the war] is not as the people at home imagine it, with a hurrah and a roar; it is very serious, very grim." Apparently, he came to regret truly regret every death he's caused, and followed the path he did only due to patriotism. Another quote, this time from his book: "My father discriminates between a sportsman and a butcher. The former shoots for fun. When I have shot down an Englishman my hunting passion is satisfied for a quarter of an hour. Therefore I do not succeed in shooting two Englishmen in succession. If one of them comes down I have the feeling of complete satisfaction. Only much, much later I have overcome my instinct and have become a butcher." And that's from a book that was HEAVILY censored for propaganda purposes. Also, in the book he often makes mention of his great pleasure to make acquaintance with his supposed enemies. In one passage, he mentions the particular pleasure he had when he managed to bring down an airplane with the crew alive, and have a chat with them. I can't escape the feeling he'd much rather make friends with them.
@MrWWIIBuff Жыл бұрын
@@Tigershark_3082 It was especially prevalent in Pacific Warfare. The Japanese practiced the same thing, and as a result, the rotation of our pilots and air crews, meant their tricks weren't working.
@LadyTylerBioRodriguez Жыл бұрын
@@michaireneuszjakubowski5289 I should note that Manfreds hatred of killing and self hating only appears after he suffered a head wound in 1917. Before that he seemed to enjoy it a little too much. And it eventually became a real suicidal fatalism, that he deserved to die and would die. The mans story is actually a lot more complicated and sad then you'd think. There's a lot of mythology surrounding the air war, that it was noble and gallant, Knights of the Sky they said. It was usually kids 18 and younger getting in wooden crates and dying horrific deaths from ah enemy that was never seen.
@cdogthehedgehog6923 Жыл бұрын
We can clearly see which tactic gave better results.
@minelayer268 ай бұрын
southern heritage: losing wars
@thefish47238 ай бұрын
Damnn...
@lofeofsope25428 ай бұрын
southern heritage: killing black people and losing wars
@AngelicoCiudad4 ай бұрын
They were just in one war, though 😑.
@minelayer264 ай бұрын
@@AngelicoCiudad and they lost it
@AngelicoCiudad4 ай бұрын
@minelayer26 They didn't lose multiple, like you stated.
@danrothenhoefer46344 жыл бұрын
Robert E. Lee was against building any monuments to the Civil War. Lee said that monuments and statues would just serve to emphasize regional divisions and would interfere with healing the hate the Civil War had caused. Lee was right; we would be better off removing the statues from public places and moving them into museums where their history could be explained in some sort of context.
@edwardclement1024 жыл бұрын
Lee wanted the money to be given to Confederate veterans instead of statutes that is why he said that if he did. Lee a two-time war veteran earns his monuments. PC people do not know the true LEE. Lee wanted to help ex veterans during hard times like right today hard times.
@samsmith42424 жыл бұрын
Dan Rothenhoefer some should be left in place, at least when relevant to the location. If altered. Others should be moved to museums for the sake of actually preserving history
@jackp.richardson64154 жыл бұрын
Still though, they shouldn't have removed General Lee's statue. Now there's just some phallic thing in the middle of a roundabout lol
@Ajaws4 жыл бұрын
edward clement well let’s not get too crazy.... people always are like “people don’t understand lee! He didn’t like slavery” which is blatantly false. No one knows the true Lee today because he’s dead so that’s kind of a dangerous thin ice to walk on
@TheEnoEtile4 жыл бұрын
@Titus Pullo every single southern male would have joined the confederacy? Weird because they had to institute that whole draft thing. A total of roughly 800,000 men served in the Confederate Army out of a population 27 million white adults. Assume 13.5 were male. Now to be excessively fair I'll take the demographics from the modern US and say roughly 10% of the population is fit to fight and military age. Should have a military population of 1.35 million. 800k from 1.35 million is roughly 60%. That's with a draft. Not to mention the average age would have skewed lower then, so your military population would likely be higher than 10%. And that's with the feeling being that their homes were being invaded. Number should be way higher if everyone in the South was such a confederate patriot.
@bootdude75274 жыл бұрын
I was thinking Beauregard was morally ambiguous then the daughters of the confederacy ruined it
@bootdude75274 жыл бұрын
@@AbrahamLincoln4 read my name more slowly
@jaydenbrockington45254 жыл бұрын
How Argentina this time of year?
@Nayshjin4 жыл бұрын
@@AbrahamLincoln4 abradolf lincler
@Winaska4 жыл бұрын
Señor Hilter which is a real shame because Beauregard did do a lot for white/black relations after the war. And so his statue really should have stayed put
@thebrutusmars4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I liked Beauregard. Unfortunate these guys ruined it.
@soloksyd Жыл бұрын
Why is this video age restricted? This is factual information that can be verified by anyone with a library card and little bit of curiosity. Children don't need protection from the truth. Racist revisionists are childish, not necessarily children. If they can't handle the criticism, then they can choose to remain ignorant, not block access to this information to anyone who doesn't pass an age test.
@bgrimsle Жыл бұрын
So many videos are uploaded that KZbin uses an algorithm to set this. There is a good possibility it got triggered not by the main subject but rather by the creator using the term "Hitler" a bunch of times.
@jeffreygao39569 ай бұрын
Not sure. Too technical?
@murakii8 ай бұрын
He said the bad 'H' word that youtube doesnt like
@h3ck7748 ай бұрын
@@murakiiIts not anymore i went into incognito watched it fine and in fact got an ad so its even monetized now so W
@matthewweng84832 жыл бұрын
Robert E Lee specifically said he didn’t believe that there should be any Civil War monuments, especially of himself. He felt they were detrimental to the healing of national wounds.
@firemanganАй бұрын
And he’s right but nobody listens, not even to George Washington
@Pandaemoni4 жыл бұрын
The technology behind the racist-ometer is pretty amazing. What modern marvels will they think of next?
@THEONEPIEEECE3 жыл бұрын
I'm waiting for the sexist o meter
@Sentient_Blob3 жыл бұрын
The rape-ometer
@skyjack13 жыл бұрын
the bigotometer
@gremmii38423 жыл бұрын
Meter o meter
@thewrustywrench213 жыл бұрын
The privilege-o-meter
@FIVEOFEVER4 жыл бұрын
All over the South you'll see statues of R E Lee and Stonewall Jackson. But one general statue you won't see is James Longstreet. He was reviled by The Lost Cause believers for his beliefs after the war. IE he became a republican who championed civil rights.
@mannyfox80894 жыл бұрын
good example - another confederate legend that became a republican and was loathed for it was Col John S Mosby of the 43rd batt VA Cav. Awesome guerrilla leader who's tactics are still taught today at the highest levels of the US military!
@joejones56534 жыл бұрын
@@mannyfox8089 Yep I thought there were others left one out.. Thanks for adding to the list. Wasn't he called the Grey Ghost by the Union?
@MrImpossibroGaming4 жыл бұрын
IE became a fucking carpetbagger
@TheKruz-ox6fo4 жыл бұрын
Longstreet actually led the police and militia forces that opposed the White League in the Battle of Liberty Place, I believe.
@joejones56534 жыл бұрын
@@TheKruz-ox6fo yes that’s true
@zombieattacker5221 Жыл бұрын
Tbh, I like how this guy is honest and doesn't go "anything in the south is horribly racist" or practically a kkk member and is just objectively rating these things and actually doing his research
@ShadowmancerLord Жыл бұрын
I mean, as someone from the south, most things in the south are pretty racist, but more in a casual way. I grew up with my dad telling me "I don't hate black people, I just hate n-words" meaning the "ghetto" type of black people or my mom who grew up with horses and a maid and an upper middle class family casually talking about black people on welfare
@jeffreygao39569 ай бұрын
"What kind of idiot can't distinguish between slave-owning Confederates and modern rural Southerners?" -Billy Yank
@justforfun97809 ай бұрын
I mean, he was originally from New Orleans and became a "Heritage not Hate" kind of person when he was younger, before eventually become a major proponent of anti-revisionism for the Civil War.
@nickklavdianos5136 Жыл бұрын
Marshall Phillipe Petain lead the French army during some of the most important battles of WWI. He was probably France's greatest hero from that war. Later, during WWII, he became president of the Vichy Government, the collaborationist puppet government of France after its defeat. After the war, Petain was executed and there are no statues commemorating him. He was a hero, but he became a traitor to France and he's treated as such. Why are the American traitors not treated the same? Why do you feel the need to honour the deeds of treasonous men? That's my question.
@CarpeVerpa11 ай бұрын
White supremacy, mainly.
@squeaky20610 ай бұрын
Petain wasn't executed because of his status and age: he would be dead anyway (so they thought) unlike Laval who they actually executed. But this is America, some of us really like traitors.
@jeffreygao39569 ай бұрын
Well I certainly don't!
@nova80919 ай бұрын
He wasn’t executed he was put in jail because of his old age. And no he wasn’t just any collaborator he as you know was a war hero and his work saved France so no I wouldn’t be totally against a statue to him.
@nickklavdianos51369 ай бұрын
@@nova8091 but I did clearly say that he was a hero. The point is that Petain, who previously WAS a hero, isn't commemorated because he later became a collaborator. While Lee, definitely wasn't a hero before the Civil War, yet is commemorated in statues by the very same country he fought against. I mean, you may as well erect statues to Lord Cornwallis while you're at it.
@cehteshami5 жыл бұрын
Oof that monument to the battle of liberty place is really something else isn't?
@rayxtime5 жыл бұрын
It commemorated a terrorist group that murdered 100 people at once, including police officers. That's like if New York City erected a monument to praise the 9/11 attackers. How in the flipping hell could anyone possibly defend this?
@desnebula56995 жыл бұрын
If you really think about what "white supremacy" means you'll realise its not racist. Feelings of superiority exist in every single human interest. In politics one side feels superior to another. In science one theory feels superior to another. People who like Hip Hop feel their music is superior to Metal. Suddenly when it comes to race then its a problem? But blacks feel superior, thats why the hang out with other blacks. And Mexicans feel superior, thats why they hang out with other Mexicans. Whites cannot do this. To stop people from feeling superior is a form of oppression because as I have explained above superiority is part of human nature. You want to deny people of their humanity. This is why I am no longer a liberal but a conservative. Because the future the progressives imagine is poorly thought out and filled with oppression and irreversible decisions.
@rayxtime5 жыл бұрын
@@desnebula5699 I think you replied to the wrong comment buddy.
@dutchiven4 жыл бұрын
@@desnebula5699 your argument dont hold water. The feeling of superiority isnt pervasive in interests, in fact you will often find that people respect other peoples preferences. Whats more, your assertion that black and mexican people only hang out with blacks and mexicans respectively is ignores the fact that interracial friendships and relations, not only exist, but are common. And when people of certain races are only friends with people of the same race its often just because they are surrounded only by people of the same race. In fact, the race of a person is almost never a reason for someone not to become friends with that person. And even if you are correct about that this feeling of superiority is part of human nature, we can still strive as a society to stop it. Taking what you want because you want it is part of human nature(and nature in general), yet thievery is illegal.
@aaronstark19694 жыл бұрын
Des Nebula you know what else is a form of oppression? Slavery. There’s no way your coming on here defending white supremacy and the CSA with the ammunition of “protecting people from oppression” what a goddamn joke
@xdarkwing104x4 жыл бұрын
It's funny that all these monuments are still pokestops in Pokemon go, even though some of them have been taken down.
@punkwrestle4 жыл бұрын
Don’t let Niantic know or you will lose them.
@Smellbringer4 жыл бұрын
Clearly we need to put Pokemon statues in their place.
@punkwrestle4 жыл бұрын
Smellbringer Charizard or Death!
@4jqxc4 жыл бұрын
Pokemon is perpetuating systematic racism /s
@italianstallion72724 жыл бұрын
Oh god I feel bad for the parent that had to explain the statue at liberty place
@thegrahamsullivanshow5662 жыл бұрын
I am an Australian, and we have not had a civil war, we have had wars but not civil ones. But to me it seems with the racial points aside (i'm not denoting those reasons as they are the most important) isn't it weird to have erected statues of people who openly chose to go against America? The confederacy went against Americas values and lead the country to war, so why would you celebrate people who chose to dive America into chaos? just a thought...
@TheMuckrakers19002 жыл бұрын
So to explain why you have to understand the perspective of the CSA. To them America was built specifically as a white nation state. The 3/5's clause and slavery were enshrined in the constitution as foundational beliefs of the USA. To them the federal government was slowly but surely siding with the abolition movement and soon enough equality of the races would be coded into law. Doing so would invariably break from what they believed America should be. The South saw themselves as the true patriots to American values and the only way to save it was breaking from the Federal Government and the North. After the war the loser still held this idea that they were the true patriots, and so they erected "heroic" monuments to their war dead and The Lost Cause. Unfortunately these ideas of "true patriotism" never subsided in our culture, they just evolved over time to fit radical conservative agendas over the decades following. It's literally what's tearing this country apart again. So uh, hope that helps.
@jakefromstatefarm69692 жыл бұрын
So a lot of white southerners feel a strong sense of regional pride. The confederacy has a lot to do with that, regardless of why the confederacy existed (slavery) it functions as the most significant representation of the south as a region, and thus its something they have pride in. It representing southern culture and heritage is important, but in doing so they either arent taught the truth, minimize the negatives of it, or refuse to accept it. This causes a disconnect between what the confederacy represents to them and what it represents to the rest of the country. It can also represent anti-authoritarian sentiments that a lot of 'small government' people seem to have. Considering the confederacy was created in opposition to the US government, it makes sense that the anti-authoritarian crowd would flock to it, even though the confederacy was anti-US not anti-authoritarian. So you've got anti-authority, regional pride, racism, and a lack of proper education on the topic mixing together and this is the result. Also the south economically sucks and its easy to blame the federal government for it. And the confederacy is an institute very much associated with the southern economy and anger at the federal government.
@jakefromstatefarm69692 жыл бұрын
Another part is the idea that the secession was justified but that the North wouldnt let them leave, and the South was vastly outnumbered but valiantly fought a war they probably couldn't win. This made the leaders into regional heros, which makes statues in particular even harder to deal with. People in the south latched on to these leaders because to them they represent the people who gave them a voice and who embody the region. The county I live in right now is literally named after Robert E Lee. To many here, these guys don't represent traitors who tried to uphold slavery, they represent local heros who tried to protect their land. And the reason for this is subpar education and generationally ingrained bias and bigotry. Let me be clear though. Not all of the South is like this. And you can have regional pride in the south without devoutly supporting the confederacy.
@jerkjerkington38742 жыл бұрын
Because America isn't homogeneous, or at least wasn't. We used to have dozens of separate cultures here with their own values and heritage. When you say "American values", are you talking about the Anglo-German middle class of the north? The Gaelic lower class of the south? The German immigrants of Texas? The French aristocrats of Louisiana? When it comes to the civil war, either side could make a case for American values. One side says that authority should be decentralized. The states are semi-sovereign nations which should be able to regulate themselves however they want. The other side says that all men are created equal, and it's the federal government's job to protect human rights. Both of these ideas were espoused in the founding of the nation, but each side picked a different point to focus on.
@iusethisnameformygoogleacc10132 жыл бұрын
Yep; you might as well start erecting statues of Gerry Adams in London, or Thatcher all over Belfast.
@gormless-idiot2 ай бұрын
You know, I would understand the statues if they were erected during the civil war, with messages detailing that they were going to stay up in remembrance to a dark time in our nation's history. However, they were not put up during the civil war.
@johnbrucemcguirk99062 ай бұрын
Can you point to a war monument that was put up during the war it memorializes?
@maxklein82864 жыл бұрын
“How can a statue about a battle be that racist... oh, holy shit”
@harrymack35653 жыл бұрын
Yeah, my first though was maybe it is to commemorate the African Americans who lost their lives and then he said what it actully was and I was like 0,o
@OliveAbyss757193 жыл бұрын
@@harrymack3565 which statue was that
@joehudson30423 жыл бұрын
@@OliveAbyss75719 the battle of liberty place
@justinweisberg16343 жыл бұрын
It wasn’t just the statue, it was the *pro white supremacy inscription* that was there until 1974.
@simonstaysnclr3 жыл бұрын
Thats like a Monument for the battle of cable street commemorating the BUF
@crazybil1123 жыл бұрын
The White League sounds like what the 4 white dudes in a mostly black school would call themselves
@ander9363 жыл бұрын
To be fair I was in a "gang" a year ago with just a close group of friends (who were all white) at an all black middle school, so it comes close.
@bobstevenson31303 жыл бұрын
What is a balck school
@AAAAA1128AA3 жыл бұрын
@@bobstevenson3130 a school with mostly africans, or all
@ontopronto87213 жыл бұрын
*justice league music plays*
@GoogleAids3 жыл бұрын
@@bobstevenson3130 a predominantly black school.
@jakubpociecha88193 жыл бұрын
I like how the second best rank after "not-racist" is literally "ignorant"
@rowbot55553 жыл бұрын
It's accurate too
@jakubpociecha88193 жыл бұрын
@@rowbot5555 I mean isn't the word "ignorant" a derogatory term? (though I must admit, the other words are way more)
@georgiykireev96783 жыл бұрын
Ignorant in this case means something along the lines of misguided, unaware. There's no malice involved, just lack of understanding
@TheD7363 жыл бұрын
Notice that "ignorant" and "morally questionable" are different labels. There is such thing as innocent ignorance, one could argue. If you simply are unaware of something, ignorant of a fact, that doesn't make you a bad person. Children don't understand the differences of race, and so their lack of understanding, their ignorance through lack of experience is nothing to be looked down upon, for example.
@strange41073 жыл бұрын
@@jakubpociecha8819 no it simply means lacking knowledge. Like if someone believes a stereotype they may not be racist, just ignorant.
@thetruefirelord2248 Жыл бұрын
It’s like if Germany had statues of nazies, is that really the image you want. And if so that says a lot about you
They should make monuments to the New Orleans Metropolitan Police who fought AGAINST the White league and died for black civil rights.
@christopherstein20244 жыл бұрын
I agree but fear that modern anarchists would destroy it.
@unclejoeoakland4 жыл бұрын
@@christopherstein2024 Nope.
@unclejoeoakland4 жыл бұрын
Sasha- How about a statue of Nat Turner to commemorate the slave rebellion he led?
@sashakhan43174 жыл бұрын
@@unclejoeoakland "Lets build a statue to a man who murdered women and children"-you.
@unclejoeoakland4 жыл бұрын
@@sashakhan4317 you know... We only have the word of the survivors- the white people- to base that charge on. Indeed, it may have happened but then we also know he was a slave, and that without violence, he would have remained so. Regrettable that innocents were killed but far more regrettable thay innocents were enslaved, killed, maimed, raped, bought and sold and ever compelled to kill for their own freedom. The Slavers brought this gruesome fate on themselves and their supposed innocents.
@RetroGamerr19913 жыл бұрын
Never in my life would I ever thought I'd see a video with a clip of a Hitler speech followed by music from Spyro the Dragon....
@chebenryan62123 жыл бұрын
I'm glad someone else recognized it was a Spyro soundtrack. Pretty sure it's spyro 2
@RetroGamerr19913 жыл бұрын
@@chebenryan6212 yeah definitely still Stewart Copeland. I couldn't nail down the game because I didn't play much of Riptos Rage
@somethingelse44243 жыл бұрын
I think I speak for everyone when I say, we'd like to see you bring the racism meter along in more videos to additional "historical" sites. And perhaps more comically hyperbolic types of meters. Like one for conflicts that starts at "Pitched Battle", "Asymmetric Warfare", "Light Ethnic Cleansing", "Almost Genocide", "The Holocaust".
@mrosskne Жыл бұрын
All history should be preserved no matter what
@mrosskne Жыл бұрын
@@videogamee6037 they're preservation
@maninhu9837 Жыл бұрын
@@mrosskne they can be used to teach and preserve, but are only there to make those still afected by decade's worth of propaganda to cling to abhorrent and inherently wrong beliefs
@jameskurth3560 Жыл бұрын
I like this idea.
@russellwest87673 жыл бұрын
Not generally a fan of the erasing history argument, but that liberty place monument is so appalling that I actually do want it in a museum. The fact that is stood in a public space for so long speaks volumes and shouldn’t be glossed over and forgotten
@TheTdroid2 жыл бұрын
To quote John Oliver: "Statues isn't how we remember history, it is how we glorify history." There shouldn't be public statues glorifying the Confederacy. There should be ample information to be found about them, in books and museums etc., which should also provide the context of how awful they were and what they were fighting for.
@AuRowe2 жыл бұрын
@@TheTdroid then why did pregnant woman robbing porn actor resisting arrest on 3 times average deadly dose of FENTANYL George Floyd get govt funded statues?
@rattles87892 жыл бұрын
@@AuRowe for reasons you won't learn by being crazy in a comments section on KZbin
@AuRowe2 жыл бұрын
@@rattles8789 Its lack of logical consistency. What I stated about Floyd was correct.but you leftists chalk it up to "his struggle" and never want to address the struggles and mentality of the events in which leftists desire to rewrite the history of
@rattles87892 жыл бұрын
@@AuRowe The irony of you being upset about rewriting history is palpable. Also, not leftist, but I know you likely just use it as a synonym for people that disagree with you, so I'll let it slide.
@ethanschenck97144 жыл бұрын
2:16 That one doesn't seem too bad. 2:54 Oh my, what a horrible event! They should absolutely commemorate those who died and the lawmen who risked their lives restoring order! 3:00 Uhhhh....
@jdkloosterman93794 жыл бұрын
"White Supremacy" Me: "...okay, how has THAT one not been torn down yet?"
@seanshure4 жыл бұрын
@@jdkloosterman9379 dosent even need taken down just dont dedicate it to the fucking bad guys hahaha
@loganmuggli18634 жыл бұрын
thinking the same thing oh they are going to build it for the police wait what the hell
@alfatazer_89914 жыл бұрын
Wow that's a bait n' switch if I've ever seen one!
@shadymerchant11984 жыл бұрын
@@seanshure the problem is its kinda set in stone that its dedicated to the bad guys
@angryretailbanker51037 ай бұрын
It sounds like the Daughters of the Confederacy eventually grew up to come Moms For Liberty.
@tellthemborissentyou2 жыл бұрын
Of course they were. People who defend those types of monuments are also racist.
@will2power7732 жыл бұрын
Yes, I am.
@calebheney3022 жыл бұрын
I don't think people who defend the monuments are racist. I'm not a confederate, I'm a proud yank, yet im sure most of the people who defend the monuments are ignorant, misinformed, and probably dont like the association of the people tearing them down.
@josjos-x5s2 жыл бұрын
@N Fels How is removing statues that have context with slavery and white supremacy racist?
@Cabochon13604 жыл бұрын
All my historical learning is statue-based. I'm congenitally incapable of absorbing information unless it's in statue form. Even recipes and weather forecasts.
@davideleuterius64654 жыл бұрын
i'm sorry the mobs aren't taking your learning disability into consideration. However think of all the good we're doing! without depictions of racist people how will anyone do a racist again? we're literally lynching bad vibes.
@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis97143 жыл бұрын
Alright here is a good statue kzbin.info/door/SCTl_YRo_oHFI27qwV0y0wcommunity?lb=UgzwClRjaOim7Gv81KR4AaABCQ
@whenyoupulloutyourdickands40233 жыл бұрын
Then lets get rid of all statues then? After all, they all have no historic value. Lets get rid of the statue of liberty. Or is "your" history the only history allowed to be presented?
I was at a protest against a Confederate statue in Florida, and this guy came up to me and said, "You wouldn't be here if it wasn't for men like him!" And I was just totally confused by that logic, like how does that even follow?
@jeffbenton61833 жыл бұрын
He forgot he wasn't defending a statue of George Washington or one of the other (somewhat controversial) Founding Fathers.
@Emmariscobar Жыл бұрын
Tbf he is technically right, if men like him hadn't existed then you wouldn't have been there to protest against their statues.
@capybaraandwatermelonenjoy8208 Жыл бұрын
@@Emmariscobar lmaoooo
@TheJudge_Carls_Junior_Rep Жыл бұрын
Just realized everybody’s coming back to this vid after 2 years
@texanarchy666 Жыл бұрын
@@TheJudge_Carls_Junior_Rep yeah it started getting recommended again. Glad to see most commenters using their brains. I was expecting "waaaaaaa erasing histury!!!!!2!1!!"
@Big_Bag_of_Pus Жыл бұрын
"Were the Confederate memorials racist?" Well, let's see. Were they memorials to Confederates? Then yes, they were racist.
@ZackarySchejbalCODBO2RGM2 Жыл бұрын
Yet we need to keep them up, as a reminder of how not to let history repeat itself. Exactly why Auschwitz is preserved by Germany.
@ZackarySchejbalCODBO2RGM2 Жыл бұрын
@@Nordbon1523 Point still stands.
@jayfaisa3171 Жыл бұрын
“These statues are about preserving history.” *checks history* 🤢 🤮
@Ultimaton1004 жыл бұрын
Great video. The “erasing history” argument is inherently flawed. There aren’t any statues of Hitler or the other Nazis of the Third Reich in Germany, yet Germans have no trouble recalling that extremely dark chapter of their history. There’s a difference between remembering something and glorifying it.
@tsdobbi4 жыл бұрын
The "erasing history" argument is ludicrous and the people that use it know that, but they use it anyway or are just completely ignorant.
@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin4 жыл бұрын
@@tsdobbi It's mostly spurred from ignorance, I think.
@Nayshjin4 жыл бұрын
We have the internet now, nothing can be erased...
@dbojangles15974 жыл бұрын
@@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin Nah more cognitive dissonance than anything. Like all peoples they just want to celebrate their culture and the people who fought in their name. But of course whites have been indoctrinated and socially coerced into the belief that any hint of racial solidarity automatically means you are a genocidal maniac and a monster. So of course in order to square the circle they have to come up with convoluted reasons why this isn't really a racial issue.
@panzerwolf4944 жыл бұрын
If anything these "monuments" are what's erasing history. they paint these guys as honorable southern gentlemen out fighting for what was right instead of traitors to the country out trying to preserve the notion of slavery.
@aluthewox4673 жыл бұрын
For the first statue, I'd add the fact it goes against Robert E Lee's wishes.
@onerandomdude40153 жыл бұрын
Don't all of them go against his wishes
@snakezase29983 жыл бұрын
@@onerandomdude4015 yes
@g.wilson5363 жыл бұрын
I mean, that ultimately as well would just justify it's placement in ignorant further, but is something worth mentioning
@mrosskne Жыл бұрын
All history should be preserved no matter what
@jackskelington7377 Жыл бұрын
No. Those statues have nothing to do with history. Their sole purpose was to intimidate black people and keep them in line.
@karateman21874 Жыл бұрын
"but it's ma heritage, its my history hurr durr"
@baranxlr Жыл бұрын
From the Articles of Confederation: Article I Section 9(4): "No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in [black] slaves shall be passed." Paraphrasing: "Members must allow slavery." Remember this the next time someone tells you it was about "state's rights".
@Alexander-Craig05306 ай бұрын
You do understand that the Articles of Confederation were written by the colonists during the Revolutionary War and not the Confederacy, don't you?
@highgrounderАй бұрын
To be fair the Articles were scrapped pretty quickly. However, the Constitution recognized slavery as a part of America in its 3/5ths compromise, and it was the free states who went out of their way to ban it, suggesting a state’s right to ban slavery. This argument is furthered by the Dred Scott case, basically making slavery legal in all the US, just not the purchase of slaves.
@delidumrul314 жыл бұрын
"I think it wiser," the retired military leader wrote about a proposed Gettysburg memorial in 1869, "…not to keep open the sores of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife, to commit to oblivion the feelings engendered." -Robert E Lee
@danrothenhoefer46344 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Lee didn't want a Civil War and had planned to sit it out as a civilian. He turned down Lincoln's request that he lead the Union Army because he didn't want to fight. But he couldn't turn down the Confederacy because he felt he had to support his neighbors and his fellow Virginians.
@ike30944 жыл бұрын
THOSE WHO DO NOT REMEMBER THEIR HISTORY ARE DOOMED. Lee was speaking of the vengeful and hateful rhetoric of individuals on both sides. HE MOST DEFINATELY WAS NOT SPEAKING OF MARBLE MEMORIALS TO BRAVERY AND SACRIFICE OF MEN WHO GAVE THEIR ALL FOR A JUST CAUSE. Your nonsense interpretation of these words would extend to the tombstones of individual Confederate soldiers.
@danrothenhoefer46344 жыл бұрын
@@ike3094 Actually, Lee wanted to sit out the war. Lincoln wanted Lee to lead the Union Army and Lee didn't accept Lincoln's appointment. After Lee turned down Lincoln's offer, he was told to pack up his office and get out of Washington, D.C. Lee returned to Arlington. After that, the Virginia State Legislature contacted him and eventually persuaded Lee to fight for the Confederacy. Lee reluctantly agreed to do so because. Lincoln's 75,000 man army was poised to invade Virginia on its path to fighting South Carolina. Remember, South Carolina had seceded in December 1860. Virginia stayed in the Union until April, 1861. Virginia didn't secede until Lincolns troops made it clear that they would invade Virginia
@Yingyanglord14 жыл бұрын
one "Just cause" is debatble. two it was in clear response to one of those said marble memorials . additional for a long time the south did not build any statues to lee due to he refused to allow them to be built in his image.
@Yingyanglord14 жыл бұрын
Do you have evidence to back up these claims? Along with that impoverishment of the south was not due to the "Yankee Thieves" it mostly comes down to a changing economy that led agriculture to be less profitable ,along with that the larges buyer for southern good Britain found a new source for said good in India. UNless you are conisder the freeing of slaves theft.
@dellikakechi56655 жыл бұрын
Great video, usually the statues are all lumped together, and it is interesting to learn the history around all of them.
@a-drewg17164 жыл бұрын
@Emperor They would also protest any Statues of James Longstreet who after the war became a Republican who championed Civil Rights all because he was a confederate general.
@charlesuzozie57474 жыл бұрын
@Emperor its more of a mob mentality thing.
@punkwrestle4 жыл бұрын
A-DrewG It would depend on what the statue commemorated him for. If he was in his confederate battle gear, Yeh it should be torn down. If it was of him as a civilian and recognized his work for Civil Rights, then it should stay. Exactly how many statues of Civil Rights leaders do they have in the South?
@theburningone3544 жыл бұрын
Punkwrestle those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it
@theburningone3544 жыл бұрын
kevin willems are monuments not part of museums that’s the idea I get from looking at the mall all the monuments are parts of the museum
@oleanderkazzy_3 жыл бұрын
I'm fine with Confederate statues, as long there's an even bigger Union statue next to it
@TrafficPartyHatTest3 жыл бұрын
Same here
@kidjedimaster36043 жыл бұрын
These people can’t see reason. Instead of putting these statues inside of civil war museums or civil rights museums to look upon our past mistakes, they tear them down and vandalize them in a futile attempt to erase history. Some were found to not even be white supremacy symbols.
@saladv60693 жыл бұрын
@@kidjedimaster3604 how the absolute fuck is it erasing history, the Civil War won't go away because we lose a few statues
@michaelweir96663 жыл бұрын
@Scaucy man 2.0 Nah
@michaelweir96663 жыл бұрын
@Scaucy man 2.0 nuh uh
@canaan53377 ай бұрын
If you want to celebrate, southern heritage, make a monument to sweet tea grits fried chicken and bbq, not traitorous slavers that lost the civil war.
@eccentriastes62733 жыл бұрын
"The White League was angry because their man, their candidate for governor in the 1872 election, had lost.... so they stormed into New Orleans... and took control of city hall" Hang on, this sounds familiar.
@theworldoverheavan5603 жыл бұрын
lol
@abaddonthearmless3193 жыл бұрын
Hold up
@raultrashlord44043 жыл бұрын
👁️👄👁️
@seamuswbiggerarmalite33793 жыл бұрын
yeah the democrat redshirts in 1898
@blammo52263 жыл бұрын
@@seamuswbiggerarmalite3379 PERFECT PARRY
@tsdobbi4 жыл бұрын
All you need to know, to know that all of the confederate statues have racist motivations is the fact the only statue you can find of Longstreet is in the North. Why? After the war Longstreet switch parties and supported the newly won civil rights for blacks. In fact he led black militia against the white league in the battle of Liberty place. He was then made a Pariah in the south, and was literally blamed for the confederate loss at Gettysburg (despite the fact....Longstreet advised Lee against, most of his disastrous decisions there).
@peterblood504 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that. Longstreet may not have been the most flashy of the Confederate generals but he was the most grounded in reality. He was also the pillar who supported both Lee in the North and Bragg in the West. He was a total package as shown by his intelligent decision to support a healing of the country.
@edwardclement1024 жыл бұрын
Longstreet supported slavery and Lee did not. After the war, Longstreet wanted submission the majority of southerners did not and they fought against the radicals and Grant and won and occupation over. Longstreet was great when he followed orders but not when he did not like Gettysburg. He was shot when following Lees's orders at the Wilderness redeeming himself and it looked like a great victory was coming. He was a great corp commander when he followed orders, but as an independent commander not as good Knoxville and New Orleans after war poor performance. Longstreet a military legend like Lee who had a great fault at a time s follow orders, sir.USA USA, not communism.
@edwardclement1024 жыл бұрын
Thank you Tim Liberty Place were Longstreet was defeated the name I learned about. Knew about the battle .
@Zarastro544 жыл бұрын
edward clement Lee very much supported slavery as a “moral necessity for the education of blacks.” Yeah, dang those yankee “radicals” trying to do crazy things like give blacks “rights” and “governmental representation!”
@wildfire92804 жыл бұрын
@@edwardclement102 *Union Dixie starts playing*
@stpat7614 Жыл бұрын
Were the Confederate Monuments of New Orleans Racist? Me: The Confederacy was by definition racist.
@jimslim4227 Жыл бұрын
Imagine putting up a statue to commemorate the 9/11 attacks... but honoring the terrorists.
@olivercharles2930 Жыл бұрын
What, you don't want a statue of Osama Bin Laden??
@user-qq6rr2je4q5 ай бұрын
Then no statue of GB
@gavin39154 жыл бұрын
Kinda pissed me off that protestors tore down a statue of Ulysses S. Grant despite him being a union general and president as well as being one of the main reasons the union took control of the Mississippi River in the civil war
@somehobo44104 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I can understand Confederate statues even though the local government should be removing it but a Union General who saved the union, no.
@gavin39154 жыл бұрын
@@TonyBustaroni just looked it up and I suppose you are right
@OspreyKnight4 жыл бұрын
@@TonyBustaroni While I was in Afghanistan I saw part of General Razik's order to murder 1000 Taliban prisoners. The local Afghans thought it was the right thing to do. Because I was there and had experienced that land and culture I understood why it was the right thing to do even if I morally objected to it. - Razik was vilified in the western media. - Vilified by people who weren't there and didn't make the effort to understand. And history will show General Razik, a man Loved by the people of Kandahar for serving his people in the way an Afghan does, as an evil man. - I'm not saying this to justify 10,000 years of blood and pain, nor am I trying to obscure problems we have now. What I am trying to do is break you of your naive notions of right and wrong and surface level moralities. By refusing to take history into context all you're doing is learning pointless trivia, by ignoring the stories you refuse to learn how and why humanity made its mistakes. - Reality is that not all crimes are wrong.
@Mnnvint4 жыл бұрын
There have been some pretty bad statue removals. There was that of Hans Christian Heg, who wasn't just a fervent activist for abolition, but died in the civil war fighting for the Union. I think he'd deserve a color to the left of "innocent", maybe something like "no, this guy was actually pretty good".
@Mnnvint4 жыл бұрын
@@TonyBustaroni There are some that are pretty damn much more morally good than others, irrespective of time. Nobody is going to tear down a statue of Maximilian Kolbe - hopefully.
@TheKruz-ox6fo4 жыл бұрын
Some food for thought for those who advocate moving memorials/statues/etc. to museums: As a person who works for a museum, I can tell you that storage and display space is at a premium and that artifacts, especially large ones require a lot of effort and money to properly maintain. I'm not arguing against the point to preserve at all--I often agree with it depending on the circumstances--but just be aware that sometimes simple practicality prevents this from being possible. Museums also don't have much incentive to put on display duplicates or similar items, because usually having one prime example is enough to get the point across. A display of ancient pottery, for example, will usually have a collection of items each of which has a unique characteristic or place/time of origin, rather than all be of the same style and the same period/manufacture. There are, of course, exceptions to this, but it's not the norm. A museum might be able to house one statue of Lee, but it wouldn't make sense with the mission statements of most museums to have 15 statues of Lee (all that would have to be maintained and for which space would have to be found). This is why analyses like Atun-Shei's are vital in the discussion of which monuments are preserved and which ones aren't: not only to figure out if and when they should be removed, but whether or not they warrant preservation. In a perfect world museums would have unlimited supplies of space and money, but in this world we have to pick and choose. Knowing the context, history, and novelty of a particular monument helps us make this decision.
@Apelles420694 жыл бұрын
In a perfect world, I believe that a handful of these statues should be put into museums to contextualize the white supremacy that is inherent to American history, a subject that I don't believe is covered enough. It baffles me when people defend these statues as a part of Civil War-era history, rather than the more than one hundred years of white supremacy that followed and its legacy that still permeates our society today. In museums, America's history of systemic racism that these monuments commemorate needs to be contextualized in the post-Reconstruction era, the Jim Crow era, and the Civil Rights era. We can't have our history of racial liberation without our history of racial oppression. We must have the balanced historical truths displayed without celebrating the ahistorical revisionism committed by white supremacy. Besides the handful of pristine statues put into context of their respective eras, I believe we're in a perfect position to have the graffitied, vandalized, and righteously broken monuments displayed right next to them to represent our own moment in history. This is what highlights our progress as a society in a space of truth and learning. But other than that, I personally believe the vast majority of the rest of these public statues should be broken down and recycled.
@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis97143 жыл бұрын
I 100% agree with you. That is why these memorials/statues/etc should be left where they are or destroyed. A statue has no place in a museum. The purpose of a statue is to show the power of the rulers.
@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis97143 жыл бұрын
@@Apelles42069 The problem with USA public school history classes is that they talk way way too much about "white supremacy" and "Civil Rights", and way too little about things that matter more and give way more insight. But alas public schools are not meant to educate people, they are meant to dstribute state propoganda so thats not gona change.
@papabroke75673 жыл бұрын
They should just destroy them and put the destruction on display
@prptheawesome49113 жыл бұрын
I live in South Carolina, and I've seen at least 5 confederate museums. I haven't been to all confederate museums, but I have looked into a few, and... they hardly do the time period justice. By that I mean they completely oversell it. It would be nice if some group could just buy out a bunch of (rather small) museums and maybe make a museum that doesn't romanticize everything about it. I think even some of the bad ones should be kept, but perhaps not respected. Maybe make sure a statue of a shithead is dirtied a bit and lays in some dishonorable pose. Whatever they can do to make sure that person is not to be loved. I feel like there should be some sort of preservation of the bad ones just so people know how fucked the confederacy was. Only keeping records of the good people might give the impression the confederacy was good. At the end of the day, though, we don't even need statues for history. They can just be fun to look at, or spark interesting thoughts.
@benjaminschaefer1646 Жыл бұрын
I was mostly a conscientious objector to tearing down statues. But this video gave me some insight into the history and intent of some of the figures and statues in question. Thanks for doing this research.
@nbenefiel Жыл бұрын
I read the Congressional Record for the time leading up to Ft Sumpter. The Southern congressmen talked about two subjects, the right to buy, sell and own human beings and the inherent superiority of whites over blacks. There was no talk of states rights (except for the right to own slaves), no talk of agrarian v industrialized societies, no taxes, no tarries, just slavery.
@froginchair4 жыл бұрын
*This guy would turn into a beast titan any moment now,* Cmon Zeke, do it
@noisyguest52493 жыл бұрын
Ey fellow AoT fan!!!!monke gets haircut next ep
@wingedhussar85523 жыл бұрын
My man turns into a Titan so he can tear down the statues with his bare hands
@will2power7732 жыл бұрын
Eren Jaeger did nothing wrong.
@miemonlysummers7041 Жыл бұрын
He's even kinda talking but barely but yeah you read my mind
@sandwich56033 жыл бұрын
Holding an armed rally because your candidate lost due to the black vote ? that wouldn't happen today
@user-qp4ru6el2s3 жыл бұрын
90% sure it wasn’t black vote, skeletons and long time corpses overall are pretty white. Get stick bugged That was a meme, i don’t think the dead people’s votes mattered and Bernie would’ve won anyway, but i’m still pretty sure it wasn’t the black vote that tipped the scale.
@themindfulmoron37903 жыл бұрын
Yeah... definitely wouldn't happen in today's world...
@kodyeldridge58473 жыл бұрын
Definitely didn't happen doofus...
@ardenfernandes17633 жыл бұрын
Bro , in which way they were armed , what I saw for the most part was a bunch of morons rioting.
@margaretconnor56233 жыл бұрын
@@ardenfernandes1763 I mean...it was a bit more than rioting. They wanted to hang Pence. And one person beat a police officer with a fucking American flag. Used the pole to beat a police officer. That's more than rioting.
@shawnmulligan28942 ай бұрын
As soon as I hear "Daughters of the Confederacy" I know all I need to know
@emperoraugustus6703 жыл бұрын
I really don't get why americans want to preserve monuments of traitors.
@DManCAWMaster3 жыл бұрын
All of the Founders were traitors and we have statues of Native Americans who killed American soldiers up along with broke some treaties with America
@emperoraugustus6703 жыл бұрын
@@DManCAWMaster The difference is that they were traitors for the british, not for america.
@DominionSorcerer3 жыл бұрын
@@emperoraugustus670 Nah, the difference is the Continentals fought for a good purpose and _won._ The Confederates fought for a bad purpose and they rightly lost the war.
@emperoraugustus6703 жыл бұрын
@@DominionSorcerer Yes, there is of course more than just one difference
@CT_Irvine_Music5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Do you like Spyro the Dragon?
@AtunSheiFilms5 жыл бұрын
Damn straight
@charlietheanteater39185 жыл бұрын
Atun-Shei Films The exact same line from “The Mummy” (1999)
@AtunSheiFilms5 жыл бұрын
@@charlietheanteater3918 "Do you swear? "Every damn day."
@Nonamearisto4 жыл бұрын
@@AtunSheiFilms You make me ashamed to share an interest with you.
@musicaleuphoria86994 жыл бұрын
I thought my ears were deceiving me.
@TheLoserman133 жыл бұрын
The story of the battle of liberty place is kinda hittin close to home these days
@Monarch_Prime3 жыл бұрын
Capitol riots
@shane92453 жыл бұрын
@@Monarch_Prime no shit
@captaindonut52403 жыл бұрын
or the BLM riots
@Monarch_Prime3 жыл бұрын
@@captaindonut5240 BLM? No.
@sandshark23 жыл бұрын
@@captaindonut5240 Sorry but white supremacy and protests against police brutality arent the same
@spritedoesit177711 ай бұрын
Ngl he’s got balls yelling “HITLLEEERRR” in a public park lmao
@loneprimate Жыл бұрын
This genuinely astonishes me. I don't doubt that these guys were, on the whole, friendly fellows socially, devoted husbands and fathers, kind to their dogs, etc., etc., but they fought for the "right" to continue to own other human beings and they were traitors to the country of their birth and oaths. Pardoning them to move forward was already kind of iffy... but allowing them to be celebrated? To name ships and forts after them by the government they betrayed?
@lloydmartel8 ай бұрын
that bit always confused me the most. why would any american patriot celebrate a traitor?
@personeater7478 ай бұрын
@@lloydmartelthe south has a great deal of regional pride, which the confederacy represents. Add that to racism, a lack of education, actual secessionist ideology, and the fact that it's seen as anti authoritarian (bc it's anti us). To be clear, Confederate guys aren't really that patriotic. They're more so god guns and the troops conservatives. Low taxes low welfare and they'll be happy. The patriots generally tend more Maga-fascistic.
@julienvalley288 ай бұрын
@@lloydmartel I guess many of these patriots wouldn't want to see them as traitors, or what I believe them to be, terrorists. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that they lost, so in this regard, they were never truly their own people, their own nation, but instead simply a short stint into the more "eccentric" style of American freedom and patriotism.
@Druzica183 жыл бұрын
'Daughters of the Confederacy--dude, just say 'bigots in bonnets', it's faster and more accurate.
@Grabacr-pl3wy4 жыл бұрын
Germany was de-nazified after the war by the allies, the South was never successfully de-confederated
@maestro_nik4 жыл бұрын
What the South needed was what the North did not give, time to heal and deal. When the South lost they ended up being subjected to a botched "reconstruction" that managed to take an already poverty stricken South to a darker place entirely. This made resentment stir in many people and very much led to the Lost Cause myth. "If we had won we wouldn't be poor and destitute." or "If we had won my father/brother wouldn't have fought for nothing." Most southerners don't think slavery is good, frankly its only a select few areas that have the deeply ingrained hatred of other races. New Orleans is definitely not one of those areas so why would there be such a struggle when they are removing the confederate monuments? Because to them its the only piece of history they can call truly their own. Taking Slavery away from the south without preparation doomed the southern economy. The North was aptly prepared for it being more industrialized and less urban. When African-Americans were free where do you think they would go for work in the south? To old slave owners who would pay them as little as possible because now these slave owners would either only hire whites or nickel and dime the blacks. This caused the African-American population of the south to be "free" where they were still hated. Then you have northerners who came and bought up land in the south for pennies and dimes because real estate crashed harder than anything we have seen and southerners just couldn't afford anything. Meaning the normal every-day southerner who lost their home to anything would be homeless. Which meant the rich of both sides could exploit the blue collar worker as well as the African-Americans. Not to mention alot of the main areas of trade and wealth managed to get scorched during the war due to either A. The Confederates burnt it down while retreating to make sure the Union didn't get more supplies B. The Union "confiscating" and stealing whatever they could find since they were fighting a war, and war means loot aplenty. (Not to mention what else they did to the remaining families who didn't pick up and leave the area) C. The Confederates themselves steal and confiscate from Confederate families due to them not having the supplies to fight the war any longer. Lots of Confederates needed those new boots for the war effort. (Not to mention what else they did) After a certain point, the war became a crap-shoot and it wasn't brother vs brother but invaders vs random townies who wanted to live in their house which meant near the end of the war, the Union was fighting not only the slavers and racists but regular people who became desperate. They don't get statues or recognized in history but their stories are ingrained just as strongly in the stone of these statues that are being ripped down. A grand memorial for the Confederate dead would be enough for me, just like the memorial for the people in WW2. Its far too late to consolidate and be one people when the schism happened so long ago so a "in general" memorial for the Civil War would be disappointing for southerners. A memorial of Union dead would also be built in a northern city. Statues of Lee and Grant respectively built next to these places. Here's a little tidbit, think about what would happen if people tore down the Lincoln Memorial or any statue of Grant.
@Bushdid-hx1zc4 жыл бұрын
Grabacr 8492 umm reconstruction??
@mondaysinsanity81934 жыл бұрын
@@Bushdid-hx1zc reconstruction failed
@Bushdid-hx1zc4 жыл бұрын
Monday's insanity The fuck the south had it pretty hard the North installed a bunch of Radical Republican carpetbaggers who did shit like triple taxes and punish the South if you lets talk about this guys comparison to denazification after WW2 Germany completely banned Nazi symbols after WW2 and if this guy is saying we should have done that with CSA symbols well he obviously doesnt give a shit about the first amendment if there was no first ammendment then theres a good chance the confederate flag would be banned but we cannot due that due to the freedom we have in this wonderful country. Hell the first ammendment is what keeps it legal to fly a Nazi Flag or an ISIS flag
@mondaysinsanity81934 жыл бұрын
@@Bushdid-hx1zc exactly lol reconstruction failed it was mishandled. Basically its like denazification vs. Treaty of Versailles. When you fuck over the losing party you just make it worse.
@cakeassassin62773 жыл бұрын
They were mad because they Lost and stormed the ofiice. Sounds familiar...
@CybernerdShua3 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting if these were placed in museums that detailed the racist implications of each of these monuments. This may very well have been done and I am simply unaware of it.
@iusethisnameformygoogleacc1013 Жыл бұрын
TBH, you'd basically need to *build* a museum exclusively for them because no normal museum is actually going to want them. They are neither particularly old or particularly important. A box of newspapers the same age, taking up the same amount of space, would be *much* more valuable. And unfortunately, basically the only people who care about these things enough to build a museum for them are the people who see nothing wrong with them.
@Rad-Dude63andathird Жыл бұрын
@@iusethisnameformygoogleacc1013 I think it's possible to build one that doesn't glorify the era. There's a Holocaust museum, I wouldn't be against one to keep Americans reminded of the horrors of our history with slavery, the civil war, and whatnot. Granted I'm sure it'd attract neo-Confederates like the Holocaust museum still brings in neo-Nazis, but fuck 'em.
@02HARMAE3 жыл бұрын
I love how he’s talking about a serious issue from American history but he put Spyro the Dragon music over the history lessons
@AzraelAngel9453 жыл бұрын
How tf did you make this comment 52 years ago?
@02HARMAE3 жыл бұрын
@@AzraelAngel945 - I have my ways
@Lord_Pilaf3 жыл бұрын
@@02HARMAE lol I knew it was from Spyro! Do you know the track name?
@02HARMAE3 жыл бұрын
@@Lord_Pilaf Spyro 2
@AbandonedVoid3 жыл бұрын
@@Lord_Pilaf The first track is "Idol Springs" (also known as "Fracture Hills" since the songs are mostly named after the levels they're in) from Spyro 2: Gateway to Glimmer/Ripto's Rage. The second track is "Crystal Glacier" from the same title
@DwRockett4 жыл бұрын
Man... it’s one thing to celebrate an act like the battle of liberty place, but to just openly and proudly proclaim it white supremacy, that is just another level
@paper72723 жыл бұрын
We should take the monuments and put them in a American history exhibits not in a public park.
@hikarikouno3 жыл бұрын
3:29 The government really put that plaque and was like "we did it boys, racism is no more", huh.
@Ajaws4 жыл бұрын
The liberty place one is so weird compared to the rest... like I don’t like the confederacy, I don’t like the daughters of the confederacy... but for real at least the Lee and Davis statues, though clearly lowkey racist, the Liberty place one literally said “white supremacy” Literally the only way you could defend that still being there (and I say this as a historian) is to make it an important relic from a bygone age, and they should make the adjacent monument a lot bigger
@jendubay37824 жыл бұрын
Low key? They fought a war to keep slavery. That’s not low key at all.
@SplotPublishing4 жыл бұрын
Nothing "low key" about theDaughters of the Confederacy and racism. "Low key" racism is Archie Bunker shushing Meathead when Lionel is visiting. A statue of a treasonous general astride his horse in a fight to keep slavery being unveiled at an all white event in the middle of town is not low key. Seriously.
@razerfish4 жыл бұрын
What's wrong with white supremacy? Seems like whites could make a pretty good claim for it. I think the Japanese and now the Chinese could (and do) make that claim. Why is it so bad? Or do you reflexively say that (same thing as Diversity is our strength) without any reflection?
@Ajaws4 жыл бұрын
razerfish racial supremacy has in basically every case caused both a downfall of civilizations and the most cruel and brutal regimes to ever exist. Communist China, Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, late antiquity, when societies embrace enlightenment philosophy, liberty above all, equality, fraternity, nationalism, republicanism, anti monarchy and anti imperialism, we have the greatest societies that have ever existed. Ancient Greece laid the foundation by embracing democracy, the US at its founding was the most liberal society on earth at the time, France basically went in the wrong direction and gave radical extremists the reigns, which ended in an aggressive militaristic and imperialistic regime. The US especially is at its best when we don’t support the philosophy “might equals right.” The revolution, war of 1812, Spanish American war, civil war, Cold War, WW1 and 2, etc. We are at our worst when we embrace it. Vietnam, the Native Genocide, the CSA, segregation and Jim Crow, when humanity embraces ideals of suppression of individuals and embrace a shitty collectivist mindset, we end up with Hitler and Stalin and Mao. When we embrace enlightenment and liberty and democracy, we end up with Aristotle, Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhower, JFK. Also racial supremacy, like Communism, usually fails horribly and results in the collapse of the society. Which, is true throughout history. Late antiquity, the European empires, the CSA, Nazi Germany, etc. Basically tyranny and collectivism is fucking retarded and liberty and individualism is cash money
@superpartes49904 жыл бұрын
@@Ajaws I agree in principle with your sentiment that we should fully embrace universal human rights, equality and oppose imperialism and oppression, but the way you depict history seems overly simplistic for several reasons. I will focus mainly on antiquity since it's the part of history I study at university: Ancient Greece was composed of slaveholder societies with very distinct social hierarchy. Athen's democracy for instance was only accessible to male citizens with enough money and social status. Ironically the Roman Empire, which is often (and to an extent rightly so) regarded as horribly oppressive was especially in its later days much more liberal and inclusive than ancient Greek poleis. In fact it was after several reforms one of the first political systems in which slaves had a certain amount of rights and a slave owner could be tried for homicide for killing them without reason. This was unheard of in a cultural sphere where it had been formerly considered ius gentium (law of the nations) that slavery existed and that slaves had no personhood and no possession over their own body. Also the Roman Empire conceded a lot of rights to women in comparison to most of ancient Greece, where they were often not even allowed to leave the house. Sparta is an exception in that regard - women had more liberties and rights there, but then again Spartan slaves, the Helots, were among the most oppressed. Athens, often regarded as bastion of democracy today, on the other hand was actually an imperialist power in its own right, subjugating the Delian League (between 150 and 300 coastal city states) and forcing them to pay tribute from inside an alliance of which it was the leader. Aristotle was the personal tutor of Alexander the Great, who proceeded to launch a large-scale military campaign against a large portion of the world known to him. In fact Greek culture, which had originated in splintered city states that valued indipendence, was exported into many territories in imperialist fashion, ironically through the conquest of a Macedonian. Those territories then became Hellenistic successor states, where a culturally Hellenic ruling class oversaw a mainly non-Hellenic populace. Now what am I trying to say with all that? History is complex and in fact many political systems that are considered progressive by many today were in their time riddled with oppression. Sure, ancient Greece and later the Hellenistic world was a focal point of cultural, scientifical and philosophical development, but it was also a place of systemic oppression, imperialism and many many military conflicts. As shown by the Roman Empire and later by the Carolingian Empire and arguably the Mongol Empire many advances in education, technology, jurisdiction, legislation and sometimes even (!) human rights were made in the stability that followed a campaign of brutal conquest. Did you know that Napoleonic conquest actually sweeped away many unjust and outdated features of European judiciary systems? It's called the Napoleonic Code if you want to look it up. Judging a system only by its accomplishments can be a slippery slope, because some systems actually accomplish much while commiting horrible atrocities. I think that a political system should - for the best interest of all its citizens and also non-citizens - be not just successful, but also just. But Justice and equality do guarantee everlasting prosperity, while prosperity alone does not guarantee that it was achieved through justice and equality.
@jeanhartely3 жыл бұрын
That battle of Liberty Place sounds mighty familiar for some weird reason. Rioting because their candidate lost? Hmmmm.......
@99oilers553 жыл бұрын
Remember though “ my candidate didn’t lose, there was widespread fraud, you dems cheated”
@talenkleck14593 жыл бұрын
Joe Biden believes the North and South are divided still.
@99oilers553 жыл бұрын
@@talenkleck1459 cause they still kind of are
@PirateCat8223 жыл бұрын
I feel like riots about the opposing candidate winning after every election feels commonplace in the USA.
@zealisrealfan3 жыл бұрын
Ironic.
@imcloud3053 жыл бұрын
Bruh im not racist i have black sla- i mean friends, yea black friends
@oakoe1883 жыл бұрын
“I love everyone! Black people, humans, you name it!”
@KerlenFur2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: at the olympic games that took place in the 1930s in germany black american athletes were treated better by the nazis than by americans
@danielhunt67022 жыл бұрын
Yeah but then again the nazis did go on to kill 11 million people in concentration camps whereas the Americans didn't
@KerlenFur2 жыл бұрын
@@danielhunt6702 just two words manifest destiny
@biggusdickus39362 жыл бұрын
I feel like the only reason the Nazis were more tolerant was because they didn't want the world knowing that thw entire party was about to massacre millions of people
@Just_a_Tool4 жыл бұрын
I felt like the Robert E. Lee statue was actually innocent. It had the intent of just celebrating the life of one of America's great generals, regardless for if he fought for the Confederacy. It was the people that used it for a different purpose that ruined it. The statue was fine, the people's interpretation around it was not. It's a shame It's torn down, as it could have just gone into a museum or something.
@jdkloosterman93794 жыл бұрын
The thing is, memorials are symbols, so even if they were originally intended to be symbols of good things, if people use it as a rallying point, then the meaning of the memorial changes.
@Just_a_Tool4 жыл бұрын
Afalstein Kloosterman But would misinterpreting a message change the message itself? Not necessarily. A misinterpretation of intent does not change the original intent. The people that rallied for communism had good intentions. They valued equality over safety and freedom. There's nothing morally wrong with valuing equality. However communism became a very fatal mistake and it was a death sentence for many people. However, people today still rally for communism. The misinterpretation of the original idea did not change the original idea.
@adele19b34 жыл бұрын
Just A Tool I mean...okay. But what is, is. The road to hell is paved with intentions.
@kazumahazeuzumaki4 жыл бұрын
Good intentions. Not just intention.
@hellboy65074 жыл бұрын
Afalstein Kloosterman There are still statues of Napoleon in France. A man who by all accounts was a tyrant and warmonger.
@JPH11384 жыл бұрын
ATUN-SHEI : The monument was put up by, you guessed it... ME : Frank Stallone? ATUN-SHEI : The Daughters of the Confederacy. ME : Oh. Of course.
@kyleshiflet99524 жыл бұрын
Lol
@paxmule4 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGirnZidhs-WhpY
@kjj26k4 жыл бұрын
Fucking D.A.R.
@deleted-something8 ай бұрын
That racist-o-meter is truly modern tech peak
@DderwenWyllt2 жыл бұрын
I'm from a country that pre-dates the Roman Empire that is 2,000+ years old and the ancient people of my country originally settled the land about 12,000 years ago, your 100 year old monuments are not historical, by my countries standards you put them up yesterday. I've heard people calling them historical monuments like they're akin to the Pyramids of Egypt or Stonehenge, but in truth they're not even teenagers yet, let alone historical. That is ignoring the fact they are disgustingly racist, you should pull them all down and put them in an art gallery called "the depths of human depravity" putting them in a museum is ridiculous, museums are reserved for either very old things or relatively new things of significant relevance i.e the first car or plane ever made due to how those things changing the world and being the first of their kind, paper mache statues at best would qualify for art gallery highlighting the depravity humanity is capable of
@ezrazentor77252 жыл бұрын
What's your favorite monument
@DderwenWyllt2 жыл бұрын
@@ezrazentor7725 Bryn Celli Ddu, Anglesey. I worked at the site when we were excavating and found a collection of monuments there.
@anon94692 жыл бұрын
Exactly. They're not there to memorialize historical events, they're there to try to recast recent history.
@elgatopage3 жыл бұрын
Damn guy I binged your channel and lowkey you changed my mind on a ton of Lost Cause issues. Sad part is that I have a History BA and didn't know most of what I learned on your channel
@razerfish3 жыл бұрын
That's because he cherry picks his data. He's a dishonest fraud.
@captainjules60333 жыл бұрын
Don’t listen to razerfish he ain’t got no brains. Mostly historians know a lot about their specific content area and not much else so don’t feel too bad.
@the4tierbridge3 жыл бұрын
@@razerfish Look in a mirror, and you’ll see something of said description.
@jordananderson27283 жыл бұрын
@@razerfish Could you provide some evidence? You are, of course, going to substantiate your counterclaim, yes?
@python21988 ай бұрын
@@jordananderson2728He, in fact, did not 😂
@MissTomi3 жыл бұрын
"monument for the battle of liberty place" Oh okay "where white nationalists battled with the police" Hey that's not bad, a way to remember the brave heroes from the police force! "monument honors the white league as martyrs" MONUMENT HONORS WHAT?
@tysondennis10166 ай бұрын
Robert E Lee: I don’t want a statue. Some racist hoohahs: We’re gonna ignore it.
@Erde048 ай бұрын
The confederate fought over slavery; it's controversial now but was not at the time; to memorialize those who fought for slavery is just racist. You can rave over taxes and state rights all you want, but the receipts are all there, and they all point to slavery.
@Erde048 ай бұрын
Not to mention, the group responsible for the majority of these monuments knew precisely what they were doing; their entire effort was to muddle history and distant themselves from the fact that they fought for the right to retain slaves.
@GorillaWithACellphone6 ай бұрын
While slavery was an issue, it was largely an issue about them wanting to have more control for themselves instead of The government forcing things on them
@baneofbanes2 ай бұрын
@@GorillaWithACellphoneyah, control to expand slavery. Slavery was the main cause of the war.
@GorillaWithACellphone2 ай бұрын
@@baneofbanes control of slavery wasnt the sole reason, they simply wanted the rest of the U.S to stop interfering with their rights
@baneofbanes2 ай бұрын
@@GorillaWithACellphone slavery was the main and single largest reason. Any other reason was secondary at best.
@neilholmes82004 жыл бұрын
Fun fact, I come from the Wirral (near Liverpool, UK) and my home town is where the CSS Alabama was built. Over in Liverpool a confederate agent by the name of James Bulloch operated during the war, helping to secure arms and supplies for the South (Alabama being his biggest coup) whilst also recruiting local men to serve the cause. He never returned to the US after the war ended, and was buried in a local cemetery. In the 1960s the United daughters of the Confederacy had his grave inscribed with "American by birth, British by choice". His brother Irvine is buried next to him, he commanded the CSS Shenendoah at the end of the war. When he found out it had ended he sailed half way around the globe to surrender to the mayor of Liverpool. I pass the offices where men like Bulloch operated out of every day, they're called after Alabama and Bulloch and have plaques and flags on them. If you're interested I have some photos :)
@python21988 ай бұрын
Wow that’s interesting!
@James-oj5bh3 жыл бұрын
Battle of Liberty Place is hitting different in 2021 USA...
@viscount8388 Жыл бұрын
we should remove all the statues of traitors to this country
@jeremiahday55562 жыл бұрын
What you don’t realise is the music that plays when he “hiiitlleerrrr”s wasn’t added in post, the racist-o-meter just does that
@-cosmicrogue-4 жыл бұрын
BUT TAKING DOWN STATUES IS LIKE BURNING BOOKS!!!! Said everyone who's never picked up a damn history book in their lives.
@AlexeiIgnavich4 жыл бұрын
Cosmic Rogue or any book that wasn’t the Bible and even then...
@Eastcyning4 жыл бұрын
@@AlexeiIgnavich The Bible isn't the Necronomicon, all things considered. Same with any other religious text. Theologians aren't stupid people.
@susanmaggiora48004 жыл бұрын
Kristian Rodwell Well, they’re certainly not very good at critical thinking...
@susanmaggiora48004 жыл бұрын
Emperor Believing in ‘god’ IS dumb. There’s nothing edgy about it. It’s just a fact. You can be a remarkably intelligent person & still be a dummy. Those aren’t incompatible.
@victorr63914 жыл бұрын
@@susanmaggiora4800 It's not so simple to call those who believe "dumb" just because you don't, just goes to show your ignorance and feeling of superiority, and this comes from someone who doesn't believe either. Instead of calling them stupid explain why you believe what you do and not what they do.
@VlRGlL4 жыл бұрын
That Spyro music made me feel levels of comfy I hadn’t felt in a long time
@ajp55562 жыл бұрын
They should replace all confederate monuments in Georgia and South Carolina with monuments of William Sherman
@kenabbott85852 жыл бұрын
If we're going to put up statues of terrorists, then why not go whole-hog and put one up to bin Laden?
@FriendlyNeighborhoodBallsack3 жыл бұрын
you just earned yourself a sub, this video was fantastic. Straight to the point, interesting, funny, historically accurate. Love it!
@wanderinghistorian3 жыл бұрын
Get this. I'm originally from Kentucky. In KY, near where I grew up, is a 391 ft. obelisk. This monument is the Jefferson Davis monument. It is a monument, a HUGE monument, to the president of the Confederacy...located in a Union state. I mean...what. Even as a kid I was like, "Um wasn't our state in the Union?" So creepy and confusing. What's funny to me now, as a grown up historian, is why anyone - even Neo-confederates - would want to venerate Davis? Jeff Davis was a moron and made terrible decisions as president that only hastened the defeat of the rebellion. As one of my professors said, "I don't understand why pro-Confederates don't blame Davis more for their defeat. I always thought Jeff Davis was a boob." Oh and just so my flag is planted, I've always been pro-Union even from my youth and I believe the Confederates were all slavers (or at least pro-slavery) and traitors to their country. Like Lincoln himself, I don't believe the Confederacy was ever a true sovereignty, just a bunch of states in open rebellion. While I commend Lincoln for wanting to go easy on them in order to re-unite the nation, in hindsight we probably should've hanged at least the top leaders. Since we basically pardoned all of them many people today believe they never did anything wrong to begin with. The very weird monument. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Davis_State_Historic_Site Also if you want my hot take on the Jeff Davis Historic Site: I think it's too big and too costly to tear down. Instead, I propose it be changed from the Jeff Davis site to a Civil War Memorial Site that memorializes those who fought to restore the Union and abolish slavery. It would not be difficult to do this, really. If you've ever been there you'd notice there's not a whole heck of a lot there that's about Davis. It's mostly just a park with trees and stuff. (That is, unless they move the statue of Jeff Davis that was in the KY capitol to the site, as they plan to do. Seriously a statue of him at the capitol? KENTUCKY WAS A UNION STATE.)
@garrett97696 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing! Very awesome points to read! 💖
@laughable66504 жыл бұрын
Short Answer: Ya Long answer: Indeed.
@defox50194 жыл бұрын
Indeed.
@andrewmanchiraju8005 Жыл бұрын
I think it is very poignant to discuss the difference between remembering and glorifying history. Living around Atlanta is actually very strange in terms of this as right outside Atlanta you see streets named after confederates and Stone Mountain as monument to them, but within Atlanta itself you see none of that but instead see statues of civil rights activists and streets named after them. Hell, in the airport there is now a memorial devoted to John Lewis and his life. I honestly feel that it is very interesting to contrast the sentiment of civil rights inside and outside Atlanta for this reason.
@keiyakins Жыл бұрын
Honestly I think you gave the Daughters of the Confederacy too much leniency. The Davis statue shoulda gotten a Hitler.
@gallopingLake64 жыл бұрын
Not only racists but you should also say “treasonous “.
@whenyoupulloutyourdickands40233 жыл бұрын
Nah, states had full legal rights to remove themselves from the union if they wanted to. The north had no right to force themselves onto the south if the south wanted to leave. The only mistake the south made was attacking Fort Summter. If those morons didnt do that, the north would have no excuse for forcing their union on states that didnt want it
@driveasandwich67343 жыл бұрын
@Gamer Boah What makes you think they are american?
@driveasandwich67343 жыл бұрын
@Gamer Boah Ok, but weren't you implying the person you were responding to was american?
@justinperkins15193 жыл бұрын
Man, the battle of liberty palace is really reminding me of something right now. LMAO
@spaghettioverlord32473 жыл бұрын
@L Baker did you just blame the raid on the capitol on Antifa? Antifa is literally the opposite of the people who raided the capitol.
@JohnSmith-sl2qc2 жыл бұрын
@Erwin Rommel Exactly
@SatanicBarbeque2 жыл бұрын
Hot take; if you need a statue to remind yourself what is and what isn't great about a dead guy everyone learned about in 5th grade, you probably shouldn't be allowed to vote
@j.tastic91322 жыл бұрын
This was my first atun-shei video. Ngl king, your videos have changed my life. Never doubt the work you do, it’s entertaining, it’s educational, and it’s incredibly well done. I love you with all my homoerotic tension driven heart.
@SSD_Penumbra4 жыл бұрын
All this talk about whether or not the monuments are racist is making me both confused and sad. Statues themselves aren't inherently racist, because, well, they're inanimate objects. People have bastardized the word "racist" in recent years and it's kinda depressing from a historical point of view, seeing people hate monuments because the person was a confederate or not. Like, for fucks sake, Robert E. Lee has been dead for 100+ years and people hate him because he was a confederate. If I went around hating things because of what people did in the past, I'd hate every single piece of classic literature, art and music.
@yourboy40054 жыл бұрын
G4mbit true
@SSD_Penumbra4 жыл бұрын
@Nazx 36 But they're not inherently racist. If a massive racist started liking the sistine chapel, would you destroy that too?
@zapazap4 жыл бұрын
@Nazx 36 Bullshit. There are current day racists who are unaware of these statues.
@thomaslinton10014 жыл бұрын
He is more respected than hated and more admired than regarded as the imperfect leader that he was.
@christroiano1215 жыл бұрын
You're awesome. More of this. I recently had a long discussion with a Gettysburg historian about the Silent Sam statue at UNC Chaple Hill and a lot of your points echoed my arguments. Keep your historical content coming!
@spazmataz4 жыл бұрын
Garett Crook tbh I wish everyone was as smart as you looking at those statues but the problem is most people are not as deep and clear of thought most people are ignorant and stupid and see it as a way to bounce back racism as well as a way to hold on to the past.
@Number1Irishlad4 жыл бұрын
@Garett Crook the might be better in a museum tho, so as to limit a glorification, and more emphasize the history
@Number1Irishlad4 жыл бұрын
@Garett Crook its about national image tho too. Wouldnt it look bad for germany to still have nazi propaganda all over just in public places? Yes, things will always be glorified, but if theyre in a museum, the focus is much more educational than glorification
@seekanddestroy73434 жыл бұрын
Wow. The most educated thread here. Good job guys. Seriously.
@billclearwater27834 жыл бұрын
I mean, yeah, some things have a point here. But why would you argue with a historian who has a degree and has spent years studying against a google search or two?
@darrylbordeleau47158 ай бұрын
"The Confederacy wasn't much of a cause, lost or otherwise."
@mr.plaguedoc2880 Жыл бұрын
If you ask me, why should we build monuments celebrating those from countries we beat? You don’t see statues of Hitler or Joseph Stalin in New York. So why should the buildings built celebrating the CSA be any different?
@RonDiani10 ай бұрын
These is a Lenin Statue in Oregon so yes we do this too. 😂