Hello everyone! It's been one year since I made this video, and what a year it's been. Ironically, just a couple of short weeks after filming this, statues once again popped up in the American news cycle as worldwide protests intensified following the murder of George Floyd. But it wasn’t just Confederate monuments in the crosshairs - it was just about any statue deemed problematic. So unfortunately, certain aspects of the video quickly became dated, in particular the information regarding public opinion in 2017 at 6:21. At the time, I posted a correction/update in a pinned comment. Now that enough time has passed to view the events more soberly and objectively, I'd like to share my (probably unasked and unwanted) thoughts about the 2020 monuments controversy. Last summer, when protestors started toppling non-Confederate statues - including likenesses of Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Christopher Columbus, and others - those who had opposed the removal of Confederate symbols loudly gloated that the "slippery slope" argument had been vindicated. As they saw it, these malevolent anti-American protestors were never going to stop with Confederates, oh no! They would not rest until history was completely rewritten to fit their woke agenda. Have events since last summer borne that theory out? No, of course not. To be sure, protestors did destroy a few statues of slaveowning Founding Fathers (whose legacies are far more morally ambiguous than Confederates, in my opinion). They even took aim at a bust of Ulysses S. Grant in San Francisco. The months-long uprising in Portland, Oregon was especially dangerous for big bronze presidents, claiming such esteemed casualties as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Teddy Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln. Wait, so you're telling me that leftist activists on the West Coast have a myopic view of American history? Whoa, that's crazy. And those activists, caught up in the heat of the moment and understandably outraged by four hundred years of black oppression in America, went a little too far and tore down a statue that maybe shouldn't have been torn down? Pull the other one! Here's my main question for the drunk uncles of America: where is the apocalyptic domino of toppled Founding Father statues you keep predicting will happen? If the communists over at Antifa, LLC are trying to destroy American history, they're doing a terrible job. Since the ferocity of last summer, only a couple of inoffensive statues have been removed, always peaceably and (it seems to me) for good reasons. The Emancipation statue in Boston for instance, despite being erected for all the right reasons, depicts a black man kneeling in gratitude at Lincoln's feet - yeah, maybe not a great look, and I can completely understand why the city of Boston would no longer want it on public display. Times change, and standards change. It's only natural that something that was innocuous 140 years ago might raise a few eyebrows today. And in all seriousness, I think the statues controversy last year was a terrible shame. Not because of the statues - they're hunks of metal - but because it allowed the enemies of progress to gain the initiative in the cultural conversation, and provided ammunition to the right-wing media, which thrives on fear and misinformation. Pundits on networks like Fox screamed that what these protests were really about was destroying America, and all that was good about America. See, they even tore down poor George Washington! Their audiences ate it up. All of a sudden, everyone was talking about historical memory and activists were on the defensive. Any notions of police reform, the protests' original aim, were quietly forgotten. Because, of course, this debate actually has next to nothing to do with statues themselves. They only seem to become important to modern day Americans (of any political persuasion) once they pop up in the news again. So during the next monuments controversy, just remember that it's never been about "preserving history." It's about depriving people of color of even the barest symbolic gesture. Oh, and if you're curious, my position has remained unchanged. If a local municipality wants to take down a statue, they should be able to, and if I don't live there then it's not my business.
@HeirofcIreland3 жыл бұрын
Very good insight as usual, love your work, really got a foreigner like me (Irish) interested in American history, particularly the civil war.
@DeadCanuck3 жыл бұрын
Whoa, good timing for an update comment! Just found this channel (thanks, sis), and I love how nuanced and calm your videos are. Keep it up!
@justinschmelzel88063 жыл бұрын
To bank on your "Civil war museum" Idea... I know what we can call it.... The Lost Cause History Museum...... where it full on debunks every lost cause myth and where it came from and shows the harsh reality of the civil war and slavery.
@mk-ultraviolence17603 жыл бұрын
I find that in people's rush to get to where they should be they often forget the slow painful steps taken to get there and fail to recognize their signifigance.
@justinschmelzel88063 жыл бұрын
@@notimportant3394 It's not destroying shit, yes they destroyed shit, but that was an outrage at the system where they are getting killed and jailed at twice the rate of everyone else in America. The "barest gesture" is no longer idolizing those that fought to keep them in bondage or not defending the racist individuals that hurt them because they have the power to do so. Convicting Chovin was a small basic gesture, but for every Chovin there are 4 more that are protected by "qualified immunity". Which is basically "ignorance of the law is not an excuse, except when your job IS the law then you can get away with anything"
@smuganimegirl7694 жыл бұрын
I'm ok with confederate monuments as long as behind every monument there is a statue of Sherman, twice the height, spitting fire in random intervals.
@erraticonteuse4 жыл бұрын
Man, you just reminded me how much I'd like to see a statue of Grant mounted on a steamroller to go up and down alongside the Mississippi River.
@jacoblinde74864 жыл бұрын
My band director at my school almost wrote me up when I suggested that we play Marching through Georgia for the spring concert.
@thabomuso62544 жыл бұрын
How about a statue of Frederick Douglass next to the Confederate statues? Or a statue of a soldier belonging to one of the Black regiments taking aim at the Confederate? Let us see if those who like these Confederate monuments find that offensive.
@myothersoul19534 жыл бұрын
That is exactly what they should do with Stone Mountain GA.
The Grand Army of the Republic fought the Confederacy? I've heard this one before...
@bobbirdsong68254 жыл бұрын
WATCH THOSE WRIST ROCKETS
@AlexSciChannel4 жыл бұрын
Seperatist Confederacy of Independent Systems. My grandfather was a Colonel from Raxus Secundus and fought and died bravely at the battle of Onderon. Heritage not hate.
@doctorlunarous57474 жыл бұрын
Clankas!
@roadhouse69994 жыл бұрын
@@doctorlunarous5747 don't use the hard r bro
@doctorlunarous57474 жыл бұрын
@@roadhouse6999 Ok ok I fixed it.
@captainjules60333 жыл бұрын
“Stop obsessing about Hannibal’s crescent formation” I feel called out
@oscarwind42663 жыл бұрын
Me too
@thewizzgaming25733 жыл бұрын
Me too that man was great
@samueleandriolo45173 жыл бұрын
Especially because he lost in the end
@timtheskeptic11473 жыл бұрын
He's biased. Just look at the book about Caesar on his shelf!
@jamestcatcato71323 жыл бұрын
@@timtheskeptic1147 NOT true. if Any thing hes "biased" , in YOUR Favour
@militaryhistoryIG2 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised you didn't bring up the fact that many of the statues and monuments in question were erected closer to present time than to the Civil War. While arguments could be made about original period monuments erected by veterans of the Civil War are historic, that argument cannot be made about Confederate statues erected in the 1960s and 70s in response to the Civil Rights Movement.
@ronwallace6273 Жыл бұрын
they were erected when the last of the troops were old and there children wanted to pay respects to them ,
@chiko4536 Жыл бұрын
@@ronwallace6273 or, ya know, when they got fired up over black people having rights and wanted to retaliate
@ronwallace6273 Жыл бұрын
@@chiko4536 just respect for dead which nobody cares about just help the crying ones
@patrickmcpartland1398 Жыл бұрын
@@ronwallace6273 the last of the confederacy was dying and black people were getting rights, we had to honor our slave owning/raping/breeding you know all the things you do with live stock to breed and work them. So glad they were dead though, can you imagine how they would have felt seeing thay civil rights Bill pass? The day the true America died, sit close to them on a bus or use the same water fountain? What has this country come to 😂 so when do we put up the nazi monuments next to the allies and holocaust ones? They were people's grandfathers fighting to return the empire to its former glory days. If you want a real good book that those daughters wrote, you should see the book those daughters wrote for children and to put in schools that was Pro KKK, don't worry also not racist, just funny stories about those same dads and grand dads dying back in their prime building bonfires and starting a neighborhood watch, sounds right up your alley.
@TheRedStateBlue Жыл бұрын
@@ronwallace6273 do germans honor nazis? fuck no. and southerners shouldn't honor confederates, who were fighting for their right to own other humans.
@joehill40943 жыл бұрын
In my town we have a statue of the confederacy, which is strange considering we actually voted to secede from Tennesee after it itself seceded from the union.
@MalrexMontresor3 жыл бұрын
Southern Unionists (those who remained loyal to their country) are terribly underrepresented as monuments in the South. 22,000 Virginians fought for the Union alone, including 1/3rd of Virginia's officers that studied at West Point. They were Southerners too, but are not honored in the South. If Confederate statues were solely about heritage, we'd also see statues of Southerners who loved their country more than slavery.
@dallanhodge4323 жыл бұрын
Welcome to East Tennessee, I've been threatened and almost doxxed by people online because I told them that large parts of East Tennessee weren't pro-confederate.
@atlassolid59463 жыл бұрын
scott county, right?
@Otterdisappointment3 жыл бұрын
Freedom for me but not for thee
@bleedingmasque.61933 жыл бұрын
Basically West Virginia
@FiresideLeo4 жыл бұрын
My allegiance is to the Republic, to democracy! - A Union soldier, probably
@confusedcossack28854 жыл бұрын
"If you're not with me, then you're my enemy." - A Confederate soldier, probably.
@gandydancer8234 жыл бұрын
@@confusedcossack2885 Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader
@stanislav93154 жыл бұрын
“From my point of view, the Union are evil!” - A confederate soldier, probably
@johnfraire69314 жыл бұрын
"Hello there" ~Stonewall Jackson, to some random Confederate soldiers at night.
"I think you're wrong, but I don't think you're stupid." There's not enough of that these days. Thank you.
@icearcher29364 жыл бұрын
yeah most people aren't really stupid they'er just ignorant.
@d.e.b.b57884 жыл бұрын
NO, they're not stupid, they're evil. Racism and supporting the concept of slavery are evil. Period.
@eyeamstrongest4 жыл бұрын
@@d.e.b.b5788 nah youd have to be pretty stupid to be racist
@kucingmiumiu8544 жыл бұрын
Shiranami Rei that's a pretty low bar....
@tissuepaper99624 жыл бұрын
@@d.e.b.b5788 Imagine assuming ignorance = evil. Couldn't be me.
@CallistaZM Жыл бұрын
I love your passion for the Civil War. I'm in my 40s now but when I was 13, I was obsessed. I watched Gettysburg and the Ken Burns series dozens of times, owned a union uniform and had a photo of Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain on my wall. Strangest 13 year girl anyone knew XD
@fandomcringebucket Жыл бұрын
...That last part threw me the fuck off. Just goes to show that, even as a girl myself, I've still got a lot of unpacking to do!
@CallistaZM Жыл бұрын
@@fandomcringebucket no one expects the teenage girl into American war history XD XD XD
@LordVader1094 Жыл бұрын
@@fandomcringebucket Respect to both of you :)
@Knightstruth Жыл бұрын
13 year old civil war history girl? That's so cool.
@definitely_not_Hirohito11 ай бұрын
Coolest 13 year old girl!
@Pharry_3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: when Lincoln first read out the Gettysburg Address, he wasn’t happy with it. He thought it was a really stupid and underwhelming speech. He was actually quite shocked when people were like “nice job dude”
@davidm81353 жыл бұрын
Same thing with the Nutcracker by Tchaikovsky
@SentientTrafficConeMan3 жыл бұрын
My American History professor touched on this. The man who spoke before Lincoln was considered the best orator in the US at the time, and he delivered a multiple-hour-long speech. Upon the completion of the Gettysburg Address, the orator approached the president and said something along the lines of "you managed to say more in 15 minutes than I could've said in 5 hours.''
@hlynnkeith93343 жыл бұрын
At the time, Lincoln's speech was roundly criticized by newspaper editors. But its fame grew with publication and time.
@jbard98923 жыл бұрын
I would also be pretty shocked if William Seward leaned over to me and said, "nice job, dude." I'd be like, "its 1863 and I'm the fucking president! Stop being so anachronistic!"
@arthurcurrier72283 жыл бұрын
He also wasn't the main speaker. That was Edward Everett
@eazy85794 жыл бұрын
We don't get to pick and choose which parts of history we remember, but we do get to choose what we celebrate.
@lkcdarzadix62164 жыл бұрын
Amen
@8cladgamer2104 жыл бұрын
Correct
@Stormcloakvictory4 жыл бұрын
As always, the victors get celebrated. If Washington failed in his rebellion against the Brits he would have been seen as a terrorist instead of a hero.
@aaronkuhlman13924 жыл бұрын
@@Stormcloakvictory That's not true, like, at all. To your point, Washington was still seen by the British as a traitor and not a hero, for a long time and is to an extent seen that way today.
@lawsonj394 жыл бұрын
@@aaronkuhlman1392 Not by any Brit I've ever talked to.
@CynicalHistorian4 жыл бұрын
The US really needs a national museum for removed statuary. Maintenence is far easier for a place dedicated to it. Just look at the Neon Museum in Las Vegas. They essentially have the same upkeep problems, but by keeping it all in one place, they can significantly reduce the costs, and dedidicate a museum to that particular type of oversized and defunct artifact. yes, this kind of museum would attract bigots - but just as the holocaust memorials effectively deal with them, so too would this. It would in fact be perfect for what the University of Texas's museum calls their exhibit of an old Jeff Davis statue, "From Commemoration to Education." Bigots will do their thing. The best we can do is exclude and ridicule them, instead focusing on the people who are capable of learning
@thejestor93784 жыл бұрын
This, this is what I would love to have done.
@iflyxwings4 жыл бұрын
A new Smithsonian
@AbsolXGuardian4 жыл бұрын
Yeah. I'm hesitant to support anything that resembles damnation memoriae, so the best thing to do is to remove these statutes from a place of honor to a museum of horrors. In the museum, each statue could have a several plaques, detailing who it represented, under what context it was erected, and under what context it was removed (because that's history too). And I do agree it should be a national institution, so that way small southern towns aren't also under and obligation to relocate the statue to a local museum. The national museum would just be like "you've decided to remove your confederate (or other racist) monuments? Cool we'll be over with our truck soon". Also I feel like a large indoor museum would make for cheaper upkeep than an outdoors one. And since this isn't really damnation memoriae, I don't think resources should be expended recovering statues destroyed in these protests. It's just not worth it. Especially since we have photos to know what these things looked like. We could even have a section of the museum dedicated to these protests in the same format as the rest of the museum for the destroyed/thrown into a river statues.
@thejestor93784 жыл бұрын
AbsolX Guardian Or just make a national museum dedicated to the civil war with them in there.
@LadyTylerBioRodriguez4 жыл бұрын
@@thejestor9378 Like how Kansas City has the National World War 1 museum which is rather fantastic.
@Theire1 Жыл бұрын
Germany remembers its History without making monuments to Himmler and Hitler ....
@ToabyToastbrot Жыл бұрын
Absolutely! In Germany we still have to deal with some cases like Rommel, Stauffenberg and some others, which seem to have gotten some following and some streets etc. named after them. But of course they are/seem kinda... well not Hitler. On the other hand, there are monuments and memorials about the horrors of that history, like the famous "Stolpersteine" (Metal Bricks in some roads in front of former homes of killed jews and other groups the nazis killed) and the big holocaust memorial in Berlin. Still there are those that try to do pretty much exactly what those that hail the confederacy do. We should always be wary about trying to make our own History less shameful.
@troodon109610 ай бұрын
And yet Adolf Hitler's bunker is still a thing you can visit, without getting the sense he's being honored by it being preserved.
@bassplayinfool7 ай бұрын
@@troodon1096now do the differences between displaying the Nazi flag in Germany and displaying the Confederate flag in the United States.
@magnikristinsson6 ай бұрын
@@troodon1096the bunker is just about the opposite of preserved by now, most of the surviving portions were filled in with cement in 1989 and the whole thing has been sealed off. its former site is a car park these days
@harlleygurrola83946 ай бұрын
Hitler's house still stands in Braunau
@ricardoaguirre61264 жыл бұрын
Didn't Robert E Lee once say that he was against monuments to the Confederacy because "they would keep open the wounds of war." ( I'm paraphrasing here. I can't remember the exact quote.)
@cashnelson23064 жыл бұрын
To be specific, he was against making monuments to the Civil War at all. But this includes the Confederacy, much to the chagrin of people who cry "he didn't mean Confederate statues!"
@Nostripe3614 жыл бұрын
Cash Nelson Lee was interesting. While by no means a bastion of noblesse and good some make him out to be, he was more moderate on his views of slavery than other southerners; believing it would go away eventually but it was up to god not Washington to decide when. He did not support secession but in the end felt loyalty to states was more important than the federal government. After defeat he staunchly opposes any acts of continuing rebellion and pushed for southerners to reconcile with the north. Finally, while still an extreme racist, he didn’t support assaulting black civilians and did punish some students at his college for doing that at one point. Overall while not a good man, he was by no means the worst of the worst.
@sashakhan43174 жыл бұрын
@@Nostripe361 Well I think he was a good man but thank you for explaining your perspective. Can you give sources to say the students were punished?
@ericrosso48464 жыл бұрын
I really wish it were all that simple. The fact is those statues have served as a reminder of where we have come from, and the process by which we got here. We didn't get here without mistakes, or trials, and it doesn't really serve the future to repaint the past to pretend like we did. We document our mistakes so that we do not have to repeat them. Mistakes are not without temptation, or justification (however temporary it may prove to be). To conceal that you've made mistakes, is to ensure you'll make them again. Do we really have to relive slavery to know that it was a bad idea? It cannot be helped that slavery pencils-out economically, but morally, and ethically it is entirely corrupt. If I can get the same lesson out of a statue, why not just leave it there?
@korsekil4 жыл бұрын
@@ericrosso4846 We learn about mistakes of the past from history books and lessons. And if you really wanted to build a statue to "teach the lessons of the past", then design it that way. Confederate statues are built to portray the character as heroic and courageous, and are clearly designed for hero worship. To portray them as mistakes of the past, show them WITH the people they wronged, or as part of a scene - make it obvious that they're not the focus but rather the mistakes they have committed.
@levim97074 жыл бұрын
I like what some former Warsaw Pact countries have done with their statues. Hungary and a few of the Baltic nations have created 'statue graveyards. Basically, they took former communist statues and place them in less public areas and let them sit there. People can come and see them along with tours being provided to give context. The statues themselves have either basic maintenance or none at all, so over time, they weather away. I think something akin to that would be nice to see. Maybe not in every state in the south, but at least have one for the more infamous ones.
@oaples87904 жыл бұрын
yeah, why not
@annabritton64324 жыл бұрын
I like it.
@npgibson694 жыл бұрын
You know in Seattle we acquired a massive Lenin. That statue is still controversial with people who think we shouldn’t be celebrating Lenin. People keep vandalizing Lenin by painting his hands with blood.
@eazy85794 жыл бұрын
I like this idea. A good solution
@2intheampm5124 жыл бұрын
George Duckson Isn’t that statue (ironically) on private property though?
@Historyguy-xu5ht4 жыл бұрын
Funny story, general lee was asked about monuments about the war and said we shouldn’t even build them and try to move on from the Civil War
@ezekiel4403 жыл бұрын
@@vardekpetrovic9716 You're very clueless if you still don't know he was very against his building of statues.
He also said that if he knew what the yankees would do with their victory, he never would have surrendered.
@franzjoseph18373 жыл бұрын
@@kenabbott8585 I know it's almost like he was a racist aristocrat who didn't want black people to be considered anything other than second class citizens in the political landscape and subhumans in the mythical racial hierarchy that he sent thousands to die for and was bitter about it 🤔
@kenabbott85853 жыл бұрын
@@franzjoseph1837 "I know it's almost like...." It's very much like you can't come up with a real argument and so you have to spew a bunch of dishonest accusations of racism in a sad attempt to cover up for it.
@nicholaslogan6840 Жыл бұрын
I think it's unamerican to have monuments to our enemies and their values, I really don't understand why anyone would want these around if not for racism.
@Captain-Jinn Жыл бұрын
Ignoring all the valid reasons for their removal (which I agree with), it's a little callous to dismiss opposing arguments by calling many of the southern United States ancestors "our enemies", nor will it change anyone's mind as much as harden hearts.
@nicholaslogan6840 Жыл бұрын
@@Captain-Jinn I'm calling the people that went to war with this union and killed our citizens in the name of slavery our enemies. It's not callous. It's just appropriate.
@gamernerd299 Жыл бұрын
@@Captain-Jinn a bunch of British separatists getting pissy when some of their own separate is pretty funny and brutally ironic.
@Brian-nv8ei11 ай бұрын
It's because those people who venerate their statues are, ideologically, the enemy.
@vexywexypoo11 ай бұрын
It's like if the 13 original colonies had a statue of King George III
@beigeturtleneck75113 жыл бұрын
My city removed a confederate statue last year but they left the base so now it just looks like the bottom half of a weird lego pyramid
@WiseSnake3 жыл бұрын
I say put a potted plant there and call it a day. lol
@16sondra3 жыл бұрын
Pyramid? Ah, the symbol of Jewish slavery. Oh, but that’s ok, they weren’t black.
@beigeturtleneck75113 жыл бұрын
Sondra Sondra Is this satire?
@16sondra3 жыл бұрын
@@beigeturtleneck7511 absolutely. Slaves of all ethnicities and races have existed throughout history but the only ones that seem to matter are the African American ones. Why is that?
@16sondra3 жыл бұрын
@@beigeturtleneck7511 I’m not from America and no I don’t hear anything other than African American slavery. Should the pyramids be torn down as they are a symbol of Jewish slavery?
@WarHammer1911A14 жыл бұрын
Why aren't there any memorials for the British soldiers who served in the Revolution? All I can find are a few grave sites.
@evolution0316804 жыл бұрын
Considering Britain literally laid the foundations for the United States, good point (unless you’re being facetious).
@stephenhancock15784 жыл бұрын
I would actually think that would be cool. Especially on the historical battle sites. Hard to compare with confederate though, as they still have their own country, and colonized 1/3 of the world at one point. They still have statues (for now) of their homeland.
@johncashrocks2214 жыл бұрын
There is one at the Guilford courthouse battlefield
@deandarvin5534 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Virginia had one of the highest concentrations of loyalists during the Revolutionary war--and was the capital of the Confederacy. Not sure why they venerate one generation over the next. Also, Viriginia, what's with that massive confed flat flying over one of your interstates?
@miket83694 жыл бұрын
Most of these, for both British regulars and loyalists, are in Canada. All I see is one group of rebels bemoaning over a newer group of rebels rebelling from said rebels, while meanwhile the British Empire had already abolished slavery 30 years earlier.
@Diego-zz1df4 жыл бұрын
As always, the Witchfinder General has the best, most righteous judgement on this issue.
@MrBigCookieCrumble4 жыл бұрын
"THOU ART A WICKED SINNER!"
@robertvowell72934 жыл бұрын
You mean the most mythical - it's all Yankee myth, from the Treasury of counterfeit virtue.
@QuikVidGuy4 жыл бұрын
@@robertvowell7293 say it in the voice
@caiawlodarski53394 жыл бұрын
@@marcusjackson5837 I don't think you know what that word means
@fakename2874 жыл бұрын
@@marcusjackson5837 yeah the economics and self-interest of owning slaves lmao Go ahead and look up a copy of South Carolina's statement of secession for me, and tell me what they said their primary reason for leaving the union was
@brucculi3492 жыл бұрын
What if we replaced statues to Southern Confederates to statues of Southern Unionists
@alviseossena32382 жыл бұрын
that would be a start
@thunderbird19212 жыл бұрын
One idea I've heard is to completely change them to a different era, a different conflict. Make them honor Revolutionary War heroes from the South, or perhaps World War II or maybe even Korea ones (after all, Korea was the first time America fought as a truly integrated military). There are DOZENS to choose from, both white and black alike.
@henrypaleveda77602 жыл бұрын
I'd be good with that
@suspectsn0thing2 жыл бұрын
George Henry Thomas definitely deserves at least one statue in Virginia. What other general from the era can claim to have fought in as many battles as him without losing so much as a movement? Admittedly, he definitely wouldn't have wanted people to build statues of him, but neither did Lee, and that sure didn't stop anyone.
@exerminator20002 жыл бұрын
Or Just make them all John Brown statues! :p
@Preston67574 жыл бұрын
His eyes are so intimidating and scary when he gets serious
@p.v.b5333 жыл бұрын
w-w-winnie i-i-m s-s-s-careed
@thenachoandthecheeze3 жыл бұрын
i hope he reaches a john brown like state
@VintageWarfare3 жыл бұрын
This man is not scary lol. But I do like his content.
@SyphonGhost3 жыл бұрын
I've just realized that in my 27 years of living I've never heard more of the Gettysburg Address then the first few lines. Considering I live in the south that's a damn shame and this has been a very sobering experience.
@polin17103 жыл бұрын
the south whitewashes history to the extreme
@witchhunter67553 жыл бұрын
I've never heard more then about 2 or so lines of it, and I never even knew that it was the Gettysburg address
@michaelweir96663 жыл бұрын
I must've heard the speech a dozen times, but hearing it spoken in earnest, rather than like a dry textbook passage, it felt like listening to it for the very first time.
@possumverde3 жыл бұрын
@@polin1710 I'm in my 40's and from the south and we had to memorize it in elementary school... Personally, I think the north does a far better job of white washing things...as long as no one happens to wander into their ghettos that is.
@Baseballnfj3 жыл бұрын
@@possumverde large swaths of the American south are decrepit wastelands and you are talking about northern ghettos? I'm not without sympathy to your comment but a little clarity here please. Have you ever been to... oh I don't know.. northern Louisiana or rural Alabama?
@Charlebb3 жыл бұрын
I love the idea that without statues we would forget the people they depict. Books and writings are for history, statues are for honoring the individuals. The statues themselves are no better proof because if they weren't labeled no one would know who they even are...
@isaiahmiller64522 жыл бұрын
you can read all about these historical figures in book but southerners don't read :/
@Blue-J42 жыл бұрын
@@isaiahmiller6452 dude no offense but you shouldn’t say that it’ll just alienate the southerners that believe in this stuff even more I get that it’s a joke but videos like this one are trying to educate and it’s best you not make comments like that about the very people who would gain the most out of this
@Pretermit_Sound2 жыл бұрын
@@Blue-J4 there are a surprising number of progressive-types in the south nowadays. They call it the “New South”. It’s just that their voices get drowned out by the loudmouth confederate-apologists, and other Lost Causers. I’m about as “northern” as you can get (I’m from the Canadian border area of northern Minnesota), and I have to admit I had a rather negative view of the south most of my life, but I’ve always tried to keep an open mind as much as possible. The last few years have been a real eye opener, as I’ve discovered a lot of southerners even here on KZbin who are amazing people. There’s a really good channel called Beau of the Fifth Column for example, if you want to hear a more progressive southern point of view.
@Blue-J42 жыл бұрын
@@Pretermit_Sound yeah as one of those southern progressives it hurts to see people who genuinely don’t know any better become more and more estranged from facts and such just because many people end up pigeonholing them and insulting them rather than helping them learn
@Blue-J42 жыл бұрын
Plus some northerners end up seeming pretty classist towards southerners which again ends up completely hindering their willingness to learn and change for the better Not only that but people seem to forget that the south isn’t completely white like it has a sizable amount of minorities (me being one of them) that seem to be completely forgotten by many when they choose to stereotype all southerners as racist confederates
@Snooksville Жыл бұрын
I am an old man, and I have heard the Gettysburg Address countless times since my grandfather first recited it to me as a young boy. This is, however, the first time it brought tears to my eyes. Well done, Andrew, and thank you.
@arlonfoster9997 Жыл бұрын
I have seen both movies Gettysburg and Gods and Generals and I have to say I liked the characters of Stonewall Jackson and Robert E Lee in Gods and Generals and I am not pro lost cause or pro Confederate does not mean I am biased against them either. I would like to see a video made by Atun Shei about why the last four states Virginia Tennessee Arkansas and North Carolina seceded to join the Confederacy when Lincoln called on those states to send their troops
@ramenbomberdeluxe495811 ай бұрын
@@arlonfoster9997 Don't fall for the trap, dude, the confederacy was always for slavery whether you like it or not. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that the confederacy is the bad guy here. What next, is saying imperial Japan is the bad guy between America and Japan during WW2 controversial?
@arlonfoster999711 ай бұрын
@@ramenbomberdeluxe4958 there are no good or bad in wars. Both sides today in America's modern wars do some pretty fucked up shit. The north itself as well as the south during the Civil War did messed up things. I think y'all are arguing that the Confederacy is like Nazi Germany so you can erase America's statues. I'd rather be a Union or a Confederate soldier in the Civil War than be a fucking Nazi. The Confederacy did not have concentration camps for enslaved African Americans. Also Robert E Lee and Stonewall Jackson whether you love them or hate them was better than fucking Adolf Hitler.
@arlonfoster999711 ай бұрын
@@ramenbomberdeluxe4958 also for your information if you want to blame a country for existence of American slavery then fucking blame the British and stop blaming the south
@arlonfoster999711 ай бұрын
@@ramenbomberdeluxe4958 and I like Gods and Generals and the characters it doesn't mean I hate the Union I just have a non bias approach to the Civil War. If the Continental Army during the Revolutionary War showed respect for the hanged British spy Major Andre who helped Benedict Arnold switch sides why can't Union and Confederate soldiers respect one another just because of their political and ideological differences. Why is it not okay for me to respect Lee or Jackson and point out that they fought the Civil War to protect Virginia and not the entire Confederate States of America. Do you think it was justified that we established internment camps for the Japanese Americans after Pearl Harbor even though the majority of them did not spy for Imperial Japan. Do you think Sherman was justified in burning southern cities do you think Hunter was right to burn VMI cause let me tell you I would call you the extremes on both sides while respecting and liking Lee Jackson Grant Meade Hancock Longstreet Lincoln Chamberlain and Frederick Douglass. And I am not being racist when I say this and if you even think that you are wrong
@joshuastarkloff96024 жыл бұрын
Confederates?! Grand Army of The Republic?! What is this!! Star Wars The Clone Wars?!
@theshenpartei4 жыл бұрын
Joshua Starkloff long live the 501st and captain Rex
@jacoblinde74864 жыл бұрын
@@theshenpartei Who can forget the episode where Rex led his troops in the assault on the Vicksburg fortifications?
@callumjohnston8584 жыл бұрын
Now there's some statues I can get behind.
@andmicbro14 жыл бұрын
To be fair the Civil War came way before Star Wars.
@Wisconsam21174 жыл бұрын
I love democracy. I love the Republic.
@danallen43753 жыл бұрын
"Actually learn from it" HOW DARE YOU! SIR! i will learn history but i will not learn FROM history!
@witchhunter67553 жыл бұрын
Exactly, my secret Communist uprising may suffer from all the problems communism suffered in the past but what's the odds of that?
@Gum_Cuzzler3 жыл бұрын
@@witchhunter6755 “Everything I don’t like is communism!”
@jeffreypaulross97673 жыл бұрын
THE ONLY TRUE CONFEDERATE FLAG 🏳️
@MassachusettsTrainVideos11362 жыл бұрын
Based
@hannibalburgers4772 жыл бұрын
17th century flag of France?
@busman69362 жыл бұрын
@@hannibalburgers477 and in 1940
@domm1382 жыл бұрын
brev that's the italian flag from 1943
@jeffsevy68122 жыл бұрын
HA! Well done.
@oogdiver2 жыл бұрын
There are very few, if any, statues of Hitler in Germany and yet we remember the Holocaust just fine. So the idea that history is being erased if you remove statues is nonsense.
@l.h.97472 жыл бұрын
That comparison seems like a stretch since we do have plenty of memorials to remember the holocaust but they are about the holocaust not hitler
@suspectsn0thing2 жыл бұрын
@@l.h.9747 there are quite a few memorials and museums (and hell, even statues) honoring slavery and the victims of white supremacist movements in America. Those memorials to the Holocaust were erected after the symbols of Naziism were torn down, and there's gonna be a lot of empty plinths if we remove all of our Confederate monuments, so that seems like as good as opportunity as any to learn from Germany's example. Education regarding the brutal realities of American history is sadly lacking, and seems to vary heavily by region. I was lucky enough to go to school in a state which, at the time, was apparently one of only TWO that taught about the history of white supremacist violence in the US. Learning that barely anybody else was even taught this stuff was almost as shocking as actually being taught it.
@fathertimtimbersgroupwasha65494 жыл бұрын
"it belongs in the museum"-Indiana Jones
@FakeSchrodingersCat4 жыл бұрын
They offered, most museums say they don't want them as they have no real historic significance.
@landonbass834 жыл бұрын
They need to put them in a civil war historical site in each state
@podbenn_26054 жыл бұрын
@@landonbass83 Which Anyone of moderate temperament would agree with & to ! Except, who is going to police the separate crowds of Aryan Brotherhood, KKK and the other White Supremacy groups gathering every Sunday, to spew forth the bile that maintains them! And what about the poor white Confederate Memorialist, come with his boys, Cleetus II, Cleetus III, Cleetus Junior and their sister, Cleetorus. He's got them ringed about to show them the Greatest General of the whole Republican Army, the 'Grand Gennelmin' their Grand-pa Cleetus - 4 times back ! - was proud to, "have been looked at by the 'Grand Gennelmin' while cleaning the shit & piss out of the way, so 'Fine Gennelmin' didn't get durty boots while mounting their horses, before leading their 300 men of the Heavy Foot Regiment off to battle again that day !" "Unkel Cleetus', piped up young Cleetus III,'Did that Ol' Grand-paw Cleetus git kilt in the War agin them Northin Slave Luvers ?" Cleetus looked at his sister and, when she nodded yes, he replied, "I'll leave that story to yore Auntee/Momma, to tell you fellas tonite, afore y'all godah bed ! She kin reed the pitchur-book !" So who protects Pa Cleetus, who is only there to mind the KKK Club's cars ? It's the only way he has to make money for the Membership Dues in his Local 1939 Whitish Bros & Hos! Another 6 months should do it, and his sister/wife can't wait! So does he get protected or condemned for going to: "Johnny Reb Memorial Statue Park & Butterfly Gardens" to make some "Walking-around Money" by cleaning up after the "Gennel-mens Cars !!🤔 ✌
@landonbass834 жыл бұрын
PoD Benn so in a nutshell you don’t want to do that because kkk members and neo confederates would go there to rally?
@sandshark24 жыл бұрын
PoD Benn why are you afraid of those idiots tho? Wouldn’t their hypothetical rally mean they’re annoyed and that we should build Civil War museums in order to annoy confederates? I would love to annoy them
@BlahGuyson4 жыл бұрын
Just found this from InRange TV. I didn't expect to have my thoughts changed on the matter, but hot damn, context is a merciless and humbling thing. Thanks for making this, man.
@sch48914 жыл бұрын
That's so wonderful to read. If the world was full of people like you then we would have fewer problems. You're a role model dude!
@Ctane1264 жыл бұрын
just out of curiosity, what was your opinion before, what exactly changed it and whats your opinion now?
@BomimoDK4 жыл бұрын
@@Ctane126 Probably "brown man bad, orange man good." Americans aren't really mentally all there, y'know.
@zredband4 жыл бұрын
It takes courage and wisdom to change your mind when presented with a different point of view.
@TheFyrePhoenix4 жыл бұрын
@@BomimoDK imo, the InRange crowd is very well spoken and open to new, well referenced ideas. It's kinda insulting to generalize them because they are receptive to changing their ideals.
@wolvez284 жыл бұрын
The last time I was this early the South still thought they could win the war.
@ryanmccabe10364 жыл бұрын
HEY OH
@kstreet74384 жыл бұрын
Atlanta isn't on fire *looks outside Never mind
@charliechaplin52404 жыл бұрын
@@kstreet7438 Richmond just fell
@TheRedKing2474 жыл бұрын
Hurrah, hurrah! We ring the jubilee Hurrah, hurrah! The flag that makes you free So we sang the chorus from Atlanta to the Sea WHILE WE WERE MARCHING THROUGH GEEEEOOOOORRRRGGGIAAAA
@KEvronista4 жыл бұрын
too soon. KEvron
@emberleaf23412 жыл бұрын
"Get up out of that armchair, stop obsessing about Hannibal's crescent formations for a second and take a good, hard look at the world around you. Don't wanna repeat history? Actually learn from it." Holy shit. Guys, these words need to be heard by everyone, need to go down in history themselves. Remember that in archeology, the relics and artifacts of Native Americans and others were handled horribly, casually broken and forgotten about, and that it's still happening. Remember that so many of the historical figures you like weren't flawless, they were always problematic in some (many) way(s)- yes, even that one. Remember that people still believe in these insane, absurd myths. We all sit around, always moaning that the world's not fair. Are you going to keep sitting around, or do something to make it fair?
@suspectsn0thing2 жыл бұрын
I've always been bugged by the rhetoric that teaching kids about the nastier parts of our history will make our white children hate themselves, or leave them without people to look up to. This never really sat right with me, as someone who actually WAS lucky enough to grow up as a white kid in a school district that didn't shy away from it. (Admittedly, the diversity of the area that I grew up in, along with the educators I had, probably helped as well.) There were parts of my history education where I felt kinda shitty, and yeah, I didn't grow up wanting to idolize people like Jefferson, which is something I've heard people HORRIFIED to imagine. Just think, our next generation of children won't have a sanitized, whitewashed, psuedo-religious masturbatory view of some of our founding fathers! The horror! So how did this woke, dystopian nightmare-education shape my view of history? I just... found other people to take inspiration from, and learned to judge historical figures within the full context of their actions. I didn't wake up every morning and kiss my Thomas Jefferson pinup on the lips, but it's not like I saw him as some satanic monster; I learned that he was a complex, interesting, and flawed person, who was instrumental in the forming of our country, but also did some pretty fucked-up shit. As for role models in history? I ended up looking up to people who rose above the standard prejudices of their day- my historical role models were people like the abolitionists of the Underground Railroad, my favorite president was Grant, and my favorite founding father was Franklin (turns out there were founding fathers who learned to NOT be racist, and also DIDN'T rape any slaves! Isn't that great?). I learned not to feel guilty that hundreds of years ago some people who had the same skin color as me did some bad things to people who didn't- instead, I decided to learn from the examples of the people who got into the history books by going AGAINST that, and strived to learn from their examples. End of the day, I'm not responsible for putting into place the institutions that still put so many minorities at a disadvantage to this day But I can sure as Hell be responsible for ending them, y'know?
@suspectsn0thing2 жыл бұрын
Because I'm incapable of not being long-winded about stuff: I know I addressed the thing about "We can't just dismantle all of our historical role models for white kids or whatever!!!" in the other comment, but it seriously pisses me off so much As if I'm too stupid to just... look up to people whose morals I align with? It's not like they didn't exist in history! Basically all the Quakers were super cool! I loved learning about them in US history class! Also, the idea that white kids need white guys to look up to in history (while apparently neglecting to do the same for any other groups lmao) is just really insulting. Y'know who I thought was the coolest guy growing up (and to this day, honestly)? Frederick fucking Douglass You know who DEFINITELY wasn't the same color as me? Frederick fucking Douglass! It's fucking patronizing, seriously. I guess this is what I get for actually reading through the 1776 Commission thing. I think that document physically killed off a not insignificant number of my neurons.
@ramenbomberdeluxe49582 жыл бұрын
@@suspectsn0thing I know its a month late, and I gotta sleep soon, but let me just drop a comment real quick. Your story is genuinely heartwarming and I appreciate every word of it. :)
@suspectsn0thing2 жыл бұрын
@@ramenbomberdeluxe4958 thank you, I've just always been annoyed by this weird perception that if American kids can't look up to the same few founding fathers like Jefferson or whatever, somehow they're gonna end up falling into a life of ruin with no good role models. It's like people have such a narrow knowledge of US history outside of the weird, psuedo-religious mythology surrounding a few guys from the 1700s that they're completely unaware of the THOUSANDS of incredible people in American history who did great things and also DIDN'T rape any slaves. This obviously doesn't make people like Jefferson or Confederate leaders any less important or worth studying, but I feel like deification of any historical figure, especially ones who've done questionable stuff, isn't a great path.
@LordVader1094 Жыл бұрын
@@suspectsn0thing Tbf are they wrong? There aren't many historical white role models that are promoted outside of the circlejerk of terrible figures. Even Lincoln is called racist. And I don't think the record high statistics of white (especially male) people committing suicide is a pure coincidence in a time where white guilt in media and society is steadily the norm.
@domhuckle4 жыл бұрын
I mustn't forget to buy some toilet roll when I get to the shops - I'd better build a quick statue to remind myself
@AtunSheiFilms4 жыл бұрын
Quality comment
@dpfljr4 жыл бұрын
That is in no way related to the removal of visual reminders of our national history! Comparing building a statue to remind oneself to do something with destroying/keeping a statue that may or may not offend you is a prime example of false equivalency
@thelegendarypandicorn17774 жыл бұрын
@@dpfljr Aww, "visual reminders of our national history"? That's cute. How about you come back to this topic when you're a little older and understand the difference between remembrance and glorification?
@czarpeppers62504 жыл бұрын
@@dpfljr I KNOW RIGHT?! And it is so sickening that Eastern Bloc nations took down statues of Stalin and Lenin after the collapse of the Soviet Union, how could they destroy their own history like that? Being facetious aside, you're talking about statues that were largely put up during the civil rights movement in the 1960's by white supremacist groups as a statement to black community, many of them being cheap and of very low quality--because remembering history wasn't the point. I'm all for remembering history, in fact I feel extremely strongly about it; but that doesn't include preserving statues glorifying atrocity, at least in their present context. In a museum or a statue graveyard such as the one where many Soviet statues ended up is a different story though. Would you advocate for keeping around things in Germany that glorify the Nazi's for the sake of "preserving history"? You don't need to keep around harmful reminders of oppression to remember history, or at least not without proper context. The "preserving history" argument is nothing but hot air, as this entire video makes clear. And frankly, to the people who have a problem even with removing them and putting them in a museum where they can be displayed in their proper context; I have to question whether they are interested in remembering history, or bringing that "history" into the present. If you're alright with the removal of Soviet era statues but have a problem with these statues being removed, I have to wonder if that's your motivation too. Or if it's a numbers game of how many people were killed or suffered under these people and regimes, I'm curious how many people you have to kill or harm before the removal of your statue becomes justified over keeping it to 'preserve history'.
@kjj26k4 жыл бұрын
@@czarpeppers6250 Yeah! I love this channel, even the comments are Verbose AF.
@vicfirth4 жыл бұрын
There is so much more Southern history that deserves to be remembered and celebrated than the Confederacy. Well done and well argued Atun-Shei Films.
@boolosboi75034 жыл бұрын
People still get offended at the mention Hernando de Soto and Jean Baptise de Sier Bienville. Most people get offended at glorifying historical characters because of past ideologies that are different from our own.
@imperialrussianempire47804 жыл бұрын
not all of us
@elendil61444 жыл бұрын
Thomas Ridley The great louisiana slave revolt The acadian deportation and the foundation of the cajun culture Huey Long dong Creole culture The trail of tears
@somepolishmoment91184 жыл бұрын
Thomas Ridley he said *Other* southern history, there is a lot of it besides the civil war
@vicfirth4 жыл бұрын
@@thomasridley8675 I guess I was unclear. There are many more pieces of Southern history that deserve to be remembered and celebrated rather than the Confederacy.
@bigj19053 жыл бұрын
I remember watching a Documentary on the statues in 9th Grade. I can’t remember where it was from or who was in it, but a Black Historian raised a very valid point. “If you take a young Black kid growing up in the South, and show him a Confederate statue endorsed and constructed by the state, what is that kid going to think?”
@ChargingStag3 жыл бұрын
I think it's an interesting area to look at, because I read an article online the other day (with all grains of salt taken by the way, as this was just an article online which I cannot vouch for) that showed there are a surprising number of black people surveyed that do not think certain Confederate symbols should be removed. For example, apparently, 24% thought that CSA flags should not even be removed from government buildings, 39% opposed redesigning state flags that contained CSA imagery. And most surprisingly, majorities of 63% of black people opposed renaming streets and highways named after CSA leaders and 50% opposed removing tribute from public places. So once again I am taking this one-off article very cautiously, I promise. And it is pretty old now as a 2015 survey. But as I say, interesting food for thought at very least. Source: I don't know if KZbin likes links or not so its a survey by Roper Center, and the article was titled 'Public Opinion on the Confederate Flag and the Civil War'. Once again, I don't know anything about this organisation or their credibility so apologies in advance if they are a shady site.
@CC-88913 жыл бұрын
@Joseph Chambers come to Florida, we'd be happy to have you 😊
@possumverde3 жыл бұрын
Probably what anyone with any sanity left thinks about the George Floyd statues and memorials popping up...
@possumverde3 жыл бұрын
@Joseph Chambers These days, being backed by the media carries more pull than being backed by the government, sadly. While I personally don't see all Confederate statues as promoting racism, I can understand that some do. I just think the sweep it under the rug approach is a mistake. Both the "lost cause" and the modern progressive revision like to pretend the cause(s) of the Civil War was far less complex than it really was and that the outcome was either all good or all bad when it was a bit of both. Trying to make it go away likely dooms it to repeat itself eventually.
@1SpicyMeataball3 жыл бұрын
Idk. They erected a statue of a career criminal and drug addict. It's that what you want black kids to aspire to?
@callsignslick31182 жыл бұрын
This is a thoughtful video. I had 7 ancestors who fought for the Confederacy, 2 of them at Gettysburg in the 13th and 47th Alabama. My family's oral history fully celebrates their service. At the same time, I am completely against anything that rings of racism. It is a very difficult position to be put in to work out those conflicting points. The truth is that it is impossible to separate the Confederate cause from slavery. Thanks for posting this.
@Taylor-mn9fv Жыл бұрын
Yeah same, family ancestors fought for the Confederacy. We don't glorify it in the family or anything, but our family does pride itself on a long tradition of military service. It's hard to accept that your own kin fought for something so vile.
@Chris-qo4rt Жыл бұрын
@@Taylor-mn9fv To be fair many soldiers at this time didn't have much choice because they were conscripted by their government to go to war.
@ScotchIrishHoundsman Жыл бұрын
You should read the book Confederate president Jefferson Davis wrote about the war. He states first hand that slavery was a cause for the war but not the only one. Many confederates didn’t even agree with slavery at the time and were of the mind that after they gained their freedom, they would have to change themselves and abolish slavery in the court room.
@yesterdayproductions1019 Жыл бұрын
Your ancestors fought for States rights. The Southern Cause was fighting for their land & unfair taxation being put upon them from the yankees in the North. It was a revolt against "Northern Aggression". The War, on the other hand, was fought by the North OVER MONEY and NOTHING else. Union soldiers were NOT dying on the battlefield for black people. AT THAT TIME, the North & everyone else had the SAME basic opinion about black people. Don't just BLAME it on the South. Only 30% of Southerners even owned slaves. People in the North also had slaves. Every civilization since the beginning of time has had some form of slavery. It would have resolved itself in due time. You can't judge the way people thought in 1860 the same way you would judge people in 2023.
@yesterdayproductions1019 Жыл бұрын
@@Taylor-mn9fv SHAME on you for talking about your brave ancestor who fought for their land & States rights. That's what the War was all about. It was about MONEY, not black people in the North or the South. The North was IMNPOSING UNFAIR TAXATION on the South. Union soldiers in the North WERE NOT dying on the battlefield for black people. Please..... let's get real. Stop listening to "White Hating Woke Assholes" talking about something of which they know nothing.
@lalitthapa1013 жыл бұрын
USA is the only place in the world where rebels claim to be patriotic to the nation they rebelled from & broke away from it😂🤦
@merfishsandwich6913 жыл бұрын
And they're still doing it today. Those who stormed the capital in January think they're the patriotic ones.
@gfilmer71503 жыл бұрын
@@merfishsandwich691 That’s what we call: idiocracy.
@codmas3r6233 жыл бұрын
@@merfishsandwich691 hey we do not condone the actions of those who stormed the capital, however we do understand their reasons.
@merfishsandwich6913 жыл бұрын
@@codmas3r623 Do we? I'm still waiting for someone to give me some bona fide evidence evidence to support their supposed "reasons."
@highjumpstudios23843 жыл бұрын
@@merfishsandwich691 big angy about election results. It’s a reason, didn’t say it was a good one
@civilwarsongs4694 жыл бұрын
I’m a fan of letting localities decide what they want to do. Statues belong on battlefields and in cemeteries
@phillip_iv_planetking63544 жыл бұрын
I know. George Washington statuese need to go too given he was a slave owner "a bad man if you will"......
@Henshingod4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Or in museums. But don't put them right in front of the state capital or gvt buildings. That's when heritage becomes honoring. That's the problem.
@charliechaplin52404 жыл бұрын
@@phillip_iv_planetking6354 False equivalency. A favored tactic of the pro-Confederates
@darkhero63034 жыл бұрын
I dont know about that. Even if we move it to a cemetery, 15 foot statues of people that wanted to take away our freedom and slaughtered american soldiers by the dozens doesnt seem right. I wouldnt want a statue of max freiherr outside the NASA headquarters for the same reason, statues glorify people and most people dont deserve to be glorified
@beepbooprandomcommenter22144 жыл бұрын
@Big Rock the Confederate statues are of people that betrayed this country and fought a war to keep slavery, while George Washington was one of this countries founders. That's why it's a false equivalency.
@emphaticelk72714 жыл бұрын
I’ll never understand the “destroying history” argument regarding the removal of Confederate monuments. The battlefield parks are still here. The plantation-museums are still here. The ink spilled on over thousands upon thousands of pages written on Civil War history are still here. What history is being destroyed exactly?
@panzerwolf4944 жыл бұрын
The rewritten history that these men were true gentlemen and noble.
@takogonikanetniukogo4 жыл бұрын
Because its not about preserving history, its about maintaining a foothold in the public space. Its about being seen, being accepted and being tolerated. Propaganda symbols are worthless cast away from people eyes.
@emphaticelk72714 жыл бұрын
The Modern Stoic First, you’re thinking of the Cultural Revolution, not the mass collectivization attempt that was the Great Leap Forward, so at least get that part right. Second, municipal-level decisions to remove statues, which this video shows has sometimes been opposed by state legislatures, are hardly equivalent to the top-down iconoclasm and mass purges of 1960s and 70s China.
@sirkowski4 жыл бұрын
They don't fly swastikas in Germany and don't have statues of Hitler, and I'm pretty sure they remember WWII.
@MrJoebrooklyn19694 жыл бұрын
They'll be next.
@DeadCat-428 ай бұрын
The only war where the losers got statues
@bobholly38437 ай бұрын
Participation Trophies
@PhelippeMitsu982 ай бұрын
Huh Vietnam war..?
@DeadCat-422 ай бұрын
@@PhelippeMitsu98 wasn't a war. The US held back, then stopped for political/social reasons.
@DeadCat-422 ай бұрын
We need statues of Sherman In Atlanta, grant in Mississippi etc.. We need to preserve our history as it's being re-written in the south .
@cherrycolareal2 ай бұрын
@@DeadCat-42 It was still a war. It lasted for 20 years solely because the US decided to stretch it as far as possible. But the war still happened almost independently of the US.
@harryshriver62233 жыл бұрын
My favorite quote from the Grand Army of the Republic, "We believe in making treason odious. "
@mariocisneros9113 жыл бұрын
And it is understandable, to the nutballs who invaded Washington in 2021.
@Ordoabchao-x9k2 жыл бұрын
@@mariocisneros911 funny how that nonsense is treason but what your politicians do to you every day isn't. That's why i love you Americans, you have your head up your asses constantly smelling propaganda scented farts.
@gunterthekaiser61902 жыл бұрын
@@Ordoabchao-x9k Why can't both be treason? The difference is, it's a lot easier to prosecute a bunch of idiots than the people who literally control the country.
@Ordoabchao-x9k2 жыл бұрын
@@gunterthekaiser6190 precisely you gave me the answer. only one is treated as treason despite those people not doing any real damage but the people doing real damage is like "meh, we can't do anything about it" if your founding fathers knew that you would develop into spineless groveling cowards they wouldn't have bothered with your second ammendment
@humansvd32692 жыл бұрын
That's rich since the county was founded on treason and they believe in session from Great Britain.
@Druzica184 жыл бұрын
THE WITCHFINDER GENERAL COMMENT THO im laughing so hard rn
@crimsonterror57953 жыл бұрын
I wonder if Atun posted that himself, or if a fan did?
@SYH6533 жыл бұрын
It was the date stamp that got me: 348 years ago.
@jeffreyfiegen15383 жыл бұрын
@K you are someone I would gladly to secularism with
@J.C_Hong3 жыл бұрын
We should do what the Lithuanians did after communism and create our own Gruto parkas (Stalin's World) where all the public statues are removed and placed in an outdoor park.
@tylersaurusakro3 жыл бұрын
That would be awesome
@kanastrasza3 жыл бұрын
I was just about to bring this up! It definitely would require careful planning and consultation with historians, and there should definitely be a project requiring a significant amount of funding, but I think it'd be the best option. side note: Aš myliu tave, Lietuviai!
@j.kearney4843 жыл бұрын
The fact that Russia got this done first shows how ignorant some people are in the states. Not to slander Russia or America of course
@lachlanhudson74043 жыл бұрын
Thats what Taiwan did with Chiang Kai-shek after he ended authoritarian rule.
@abitofapickle62553 жыл бұрын
I like this idea. Statues don't get destroyed, and the public can learn about the dark past of the United States.
@GeographyCzar2 жыл бұрын
By God, that conclusion by Atun-Shei quoting Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address was so fucking classy…
@somedoomermetalhead73773 жыл бұрын
Honestly, dressing up as Union soldier and flipping off confederate monuments is a Chad move
@ericjohnson2024 Жыл бұрын
158 years after the fact doesn't sound like the Chad Move you think it is.
@cheems436 Жыл бұрын
@@ericjohnson2024 No it’s still a chad move, no matter how late lmoa go back to huffing sharpies
@ericjohnson2024 Жыл бұрын
@@cheems436 No, it isn't.
@luketanker6074 Жыл бұрын
It kind of seems childish, but I can see why he would do it.
@johnnybaxter1953 Жыл бұрын
Flipping off a statue, so chad
@demekagamine2 жыл бұрын
If you take down all the confederate statues how am I supposed to piss on them?
@josgretf28002 жыл бұрын
Don't worry. There are still plenty of flags around to piss on.
@demekagamine2 жыл бұрын
@@josgretf2800 I'm glad to hear thank you for this good news!
@josgretf28002 жыл бұрын
@@demekagamine God speed noble pisser. God speed.
@demekagamine2 жыл бұрын
@@josgretf2800 right back to you lad!
@nickaschenbecker98825 ай бұрын
@@josgretf2800 don't be daft. Flags are for wiping your bum.
@Davethebalikid4 жыл бұрын
I came into this with a "meh keep them up / preserve history" viewpoint which I no longer hold, so I guess all I can say is gg well played.
@Jatischar4 жыл бұрын
gl hf next time
@Yankeefan28074 жыл бұрын
Just curious, why did you hold this view? In any other country, they would not honor a traitorous group. The confederates did not want to be American. Why should we honor them?
@hakael56614 жыл бұрын
@@Yankeefan2807 missinformation mostly but the question had a condescending tone
@henrycolestage42494 жыл бұрын
This was exactly the conversation I had with my youngest son when he was about 20 and became a trucker. He spent a lot of time in the South and had some affinity for it *as he understood it*. I had to explain to him, gently, that it wasn't just 'Heritage, not hate'. When he finally heard and understood the full context of those monuments and the flag, he was appalled and felt like a fool. For those who have not truly studied history, finding out that you are completely wrong about something can be devastating to the core. You see, to him, it was Daisy Duke short-shorts, the General Lee Dodge Charger, jacked-up 4x4's, beer kegs, country music, and flag waving. When he finally understood the racist intent of their emplacement, the Klan, lynchings, Jim Crow, etc., that they actually stood for, he had the good grace to at least change his mind. And that is all you can ask of a man; to be able to entertain a new idea and after careful deliberation, come to a new conclusion. Peace.
@Davethebalikid4 жыл бұрын
@@Yankeefan2807 Because I hadn't considered the issue deeply and was won over by the erasing history/slippery slope line of reasoning. I also tend to have a gut reaction against "PC culture" for lack of a better word. All this being said now that I have been presented with more information and thought more on this issue I can say I agree with these statues being removed.
@johnathanmagliari84618 ай бұрын
I am surprised that so many snowflakes want to keep their second place participation trophies in place.
@godssara67588 ай бұрын
and be sure to put plaques on all the Confederate statues that say "Was a Democrat"
@breasonable43438 ай бұрын
@@godssara6758 oh man I hope that was ironic , because it was damn funny!
@johnathanmagliari84617 ай бұрын
@@godssara6758 A little bit tribal, are we?
@lorenzobarducci83535 ай бұрын
@@godssara6758 "Was an antiamerican freedom-hating scumbag traitor, and whoever support him nowadays is too". Then whoever feel attacked by it is the person it is attacking, and i have a feeling most of them wouldn't be democrats (which i don't like either)
@omarisawesome1996Ай бұрын
@@godssara6758😂
@Iron_Dennis4 жыл бұрын
Disagreeing with you on the Concentration Camps thing: I've visited three of them, one with my sisters, one with my school and one with my university. I've never seen a Nazi there, mostly school classes and normal people. It's a great way of remembering history, the atrocities and the suffering. Not just putting up the "war heroes". Most of the people walk out of there, being shattered and saying "never again".
@diktatoralexander884 жыл бұрын
That stuff is a awful sight to behold, but we need to see those things. Do not think for a minute that if everyone saw that stuff, we'd have no more injustice. Evil is entwined deep in human nature. It's not for the evil we should hope to change by remembering this horrid stuff, but for the good to take history seriously.
@is0lated4 жыл бұрын
It's hard to walk through those places but it is extremely important and I 100% agree with you.
@Significantpower4 жыл бұрын
I don't believe he opposes keeping the Camps as memorials. He just notes that they can allow fringe elements a place to gather for all the wrong reasons.
@whodat91984 жыл бұрын
@@Significantpower you mean like a blacklivesmatter rally destroying entire cities. surely you must be for banning blacklivesmatter then?
@ImpudentInfidel4 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, the cities destroyed by black lives matter protests. The modern Bowling Green Massacre.
@spaceangelmewtwo90742 жыл бұрын
"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." - Some guy with Confederate flags on his pickup truck who learned nothing from history, probably.
@joshuahughes33652 жыл бұрын
The statement those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it is actually very true I mean how many wars has the whole world fought because they couldn't learn from the past wars
@jertdw36462 жыл бұрын
@@joshuahughes3365 true but the OPs statement is in mockery od the hypocrisy if conservatives. We both know most of them have no interest in learning even remotely objective history. Nor do left wingers either. Its simply that statements like these are basic impulse "mouth breather" responses conservatives usually give. Its like the "the left is doing a 1984" meme conseratives say because they heard jordan peterson say it once.
@joshuahughes33652 жыл бұрын
@@jertdw3646 you know don't take this wrong way but in a way I didn't understand I understood to a certain extent however when it comes to being conservatives and left-wingers I'm not saying there's not good and bad on both sides because there is there's bad apples in everything because I'm conservative and I can't speak for everybody else but I'm trying my hardest to learn from history so that I don't make mistakes with that being said I still believe that saying is true to a fault but in a way I see what you're saying that it can be a mockery if not used truthfully let me know if with what I wrote I understood what you said cuz I have a feeling I didn't quite fully understand your statement
@erikskelton65972 жыл бұрын
@@joshuahughes3365 I'd wager people will learn more from history by reading books than by looking at statues. Confederate statues aren't teaching history, they're glorifying slavers and traitors and an attempt at re-writing history, not teaching it. And wars aren't fought because people forget about the horrors of them, but because the powers in control care more about their power and the preservation of it. No amount of "learning from history" would have kept Putin from invading Ukraine, for example.
@joshuahughes33652 жыл бұрын
@@erikskelton6597 you know I disagree about the slave traders I agree on what you said about putting but I disagree with the statues being there to glorify slave traitors and here's why those monuments wasn't put up to glorify slave traders no matter what anybody says those statues were put up to remember the people who helped make this country this country if the civil war wouldn't have been fought back then it would have been fault today and it would probably been worse be glad what happened back in history happened back in history and not today and unless you're a hypocrite I would change your statement so we're so focused on what happened to a couple of black people that were just going to ignore the mass genocide of native Americans I guarantee you somewhere there is a Andrew Jackson statue just hanging around and nobody's saying nothing about it and if you really want to be mad at somebody be mad at the people who sold their own people for weapons see you blame the South for all the slaves and stuff like that yes it happened in the South but all you Yanks had to do was stop it at any time you wanted to the civil war wasn't fall over slaves it was fault because we wanted to get away from the Union Lincoln had a good reason for trying to keep us together though the only reason Lincoln stopped the Confederacy from becoming it's on country was because Lincoln thought that we'd be stronger together because of the wars we just fought it had nothing to do with the blacks to some probably yes so no to say that those statues are promoting slave traders and all this other stuff I disagree with do I disagree with slave slavery yes I do I think it was wrong but at the same time like I said before be glad it happened then and not now and by the way I have more respect for general Lee than any other person because if it wasn't for general Lee the war would have never ended because there was a battle that was to come and it was going to cause more deaths than anybody can think of and general Lee said no enough is enough so it wasn't your little Yanks that stopped the Confederacy or even ended the war it was general Lee because he didn't want to see anybody else die
@Soundwave35914 жыл бұрын
15:30 the Soviet officers who disposed of Hitler's remains took the location they did so to the grave, for this very reason.
@mattdoull78204 жыл бұрын
Bin Laden was buried at sea for the same reason.
@jamesmorseman31804 жыл бұрын
they almost certainly cremated him as well
@jacoblinde74864 жыл бұрын
@Donde Merlin They made a deal with him where they'd cut him in half. They buried his legs and his top half went free. Legend says he's still out there, building his underground complex and taking phone donations from skinheads.
@vovin81324 жыл бұрын
Soviet officers disposed of Hitler's remains? That's the first I've heard of this. The official story has always been that Nazi guards in the bunker burned Hitler's remains and buried the ashes outside of the bunker, as ordered to do so, and that no remains had been discovered since.
@Immoralsalvage4 жыл бұрын
@@vovin8132 Declassified Soviet documents claim that Hitler's remains were tossed into a River. So there would be no place for his followers to gather to mourn him.
@bartolomeothesatyr Жыл бұрын
I've *_heard_* the Gettysburg Address dozens of times in my life, but your recitation is the first time I've really *_felt_* it.
@tobiasaarns17854 жыл бұрын
I, a german student of History am actually crying when hearing the Gettysburg Address. And as a german, who is proud of his country's way to democracy with tow dictatorships and the crime of a genocide in the last century, which shall nerver be forgotten, can, no, must encourage the people, my brothers and sisters, in the United States: remember your dark history and remember it well, but also remember the light of the words of your 16th president and they shall shine on your way to a better future.
@Nikolapoleon4 жыл бұрын
Two dictatorships?
@jacoblinde74864 жыл бұрын
@@Nikolapoleon He could be referring to the Empire and the Nazis, or the Nazis and the East German Government.
@justina61764 жыл бұрын
Greetings from America, and thank you for your kind words. In my eyes Germany is a shining example of a country looking at and accepting its past. It’s the only way forward.
@Nikolapoleon4 жыл бұрын
@@jacoblinde7486 That's what confuses me. The Empire wasn't a dictatorship; it was a constitutional kingdom. And I wouldn't describe the East German government as ever having been legitimate. It could simply be that his interpretation of history is different from mine, but if there's something I'm forgetting (maybe he's referring to the Hindenburg-Ludendorff duumvirate?) I wan't to know about it.
@jacoblinde74864 жыл бұрын
@@Nikolapoleon Imperial germany started as a fairly absolutist state, and became less and less so after Bismarck's reign ended. He was more of an autocrat than the Kaiser, as I understand it.
@lindaholen13683 жыл бұрын
Stop obsessing about Hannibal`s crescent formation for a second. And take a good hard look at the world around you. I think this is the best roast to a history nerd ever.
@witchhunter67553 жыл бұрын
Look at the world around me? History is about the past, when the world suffers from everything were doing now then I'll look
@lindaholen13683 жыл бұрын
@@witchhunter6755 Do you mean the world isn`t suffering from the things we have invented the last 200 year s? Or did I misunderstand what you said more then Agustus II misunderstand war?
@witchhunter67553 жыл бұрын
@@lindaholen1368 you see, I attempted and some would argue that I failed at a funny
@operleutnant72353 жыл бұрын
I felt legitimately hurt by it. I just like the 7 years war man.
@MollymaukT3 жыл бұрын
This is a huge jab at 90% of the historical KZbin content-creator base who exist more to help DMs make their DnD sessions more immersive with frivolous details and to stroke the ego of Total War armchair generals than to actually teach people about history
@tenlosol3 жыл бұрын
I've never understood how you need monuments to remember history. Like, are books outlawed in places these people who this live? Do you do all your learning going from monument from monument and reading maybe 6 lines of fluff?
@DeadCanuck3 жыл бұрын
In the South? In some states those books may actually be banned.
@dk50b3 жыл бұрын
The monuments were only part of an all out effort by the United Daughters of the Confederacy and other defenders of slavery and white supremacy to whitewash (pun intended) their history and erase the single cause of the Civil War. At the turn of the 20th century they formed a committee that ensured only their fake lost cause story would appear in textbooks. This was followed by similar efforts beyond primary schools. Northern historians didn't resist these efforts, spread being this lie Nationwide. Half of all Americans still believed it in 2011, and only 8% of high school seniors correctly identified slavery as the war's cause in a 2018 poll. Sadly resistance to historical accuracy hasn't ended, and the successful papering over of traitorous racism and its morphing into other forms of suppression has prevented an honest discussion of how omnipresent racism has been in our history. time.com/5013943/john-kelly-civil-war-textbooks/ theamericanscholar.org/the-problem-in-the-classroom/
@Sigma02833 жыл бұрын
Ever heard of the Bonfire of the vanities or the Nazi book burnings? Imagine if something like that happened to the books in this country that people viewed as being subversive.
@tenlosol3 жыл бұрын
@@Sigma0283 what's that got to due with puff or pieces that's statues make up especially these ones as a reinforcement of slavery south living
@Sigma02833 жыл бұрын
@@tenlosol Everything. There are people who want to see every statue, monument and history book involving the Confederacy and the Civil War destroyed and treat it as if the Civil War never happened. That's a major reason why I'd rather see the statues stay where they are as a lasting reminder of the past and how the country changed after that and still changes today.
@DerpyDaringDitzyDoo Жыл бұрын
My biggest problem during this whole thing was every time someone asked my opinion on the matter, they always wanted a straight yes or no answer as to whether they should stay or be removed, as a whole. But it should be a case by case basis! As a history teacher, remembering context is incredibly important! For example many of the statues and monuments were erected in the late 20th century, and I think most everyone can agree these are not historically important and should be removed (Barring perhaps one or two, which should be moved to a civil rights museum to highlight the dirty practice of the time period, building political monuments to stifle social progress). Some statues are much older and weren't created in such bad taste, and should probably remain or perhaps relocated to a museum. There is more than enough information regarding the construction of pretty much all of these monuments to discern whether a monument was built in good faith or solely to push some kind of agenda, and these things should be considered when discussing the topic. That said, yeah probably 95% of them or more should go as it was such a common political tool for suppression. And I don't know that any of them should be displayed anywhere outside of a museum where a greater context can be conveyed.
@achair726510 ай бұрын
I think most should not be removed rather "community notes" be added alongside them. Stating how old they are along with the context and history around it's creation. To turn these monuments of false glorification and oppression into tools of education and warning. Most importantly of this we must ban the creation of new confederate statues.
@ronwallace62738 ай бұрын
they removed the 10 commandments . so anything else is going to go
@ronwallace62738 ай бұрын
leave statues alone , don't dig up graves and tear down monuments all that does is give hatred fuel , don't make people today pay money or apologize, nobody today did anything , if you do that fuels hate. don't let hate groups march but stop other hate groups from marching that fuels hate . don't rewrite history that fuels hate. you move on unless you lived it , I'm part irish I never was in the potato famine I never got whipped by a British, I never made a bomb , if they started that up again I'd be first to support ireland in protest . I work on problems of today not from 150 years ago ,
@sam51764 жыл бұрын
Common sensed Unionist DESTROYS pro-confederate nerds with facts and logic
@PJTheSimple4 жыл бұрын
''If black people hate been enslaved so much, why don't they just move to Mexico'' -Turning Point Confederacy
@jurtra90904 жыл бұрын
@@PJTheSimple who are you talking about?
@PJTheSimple4 жыл бұрын
@@jurtra9090 It's a joke about Turning Point USA
@mariaprieto66794 жыл бұрын
Qué estan a la IZQUERDA...
@GaganSingh-nx2yv3 жыл бұрын
@@PJTheSimple or just become Candace Owen or a grifter we call them.
@alissac.10334 жыл бұрын
I shared this with my father today. The words I had were inadequate and I couldn't get my point across. After watching this he had a better understanding of how I see the world. Thank you.
@TheKruz-ox6fo4 жыл бұрын
Ditto. Sent it to my mom.
@m15t3r_n83 жыл бұрын
"I think it wiser, moreover, not to keep open the sores of war, but to follow the example of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife, and to commit to oblivion the feelings it engendered." - Robert E. Lee
@henrypaleveda77602 жыл бұрын
not a kindly man but he did willingly work to end the war even in surrender
@JamesW77232 жыл бұрын
You have to remember he joined the south purely out of state allegiance not because he believed in the southern cause.
@balabanasireti2 жыл бұрын
@@JamesW7723 Not fully. He did only follow the South because of his sense of allegiance but he also considered slavery a necessary evil. He wasn't for it but he also wasn't against it
@JamesW77232 жыл бұрын
@@balabanasireti Loot at his personal letters to himself and his journal he wanted to avoid the war completely and said “if I could free the damn slaves and avoid this war entirely I would”
@Ballin4Vengeance Жыл бұрын
He wasn’t a good guy, but I can’t say he was the villain of the civil war along with types like Forrest or Davis.
@bungoboy57182 жыл бұрын
As a person who grew up in Nashville I'm so glad that stupid statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest finally got removed
@luckierlime52452 жыл бұрын
forest statues are probably the ones that need the most removal in my opinion
@jeffmilroy93458 ай бұрын
Speaking as distant kin to the only Union general to hand Forrest a defeat... you should do some reading on Forrest. Or perhaps you are happy with the current state of all US inner cities. Ignorance is bliss I suppose.
@breasonable43438 ай бұрын
@@jeffmilroy9345 you've said nothing coherent, but you did shovel in some kind of what, boast? because what again you are "distant kin" ? pfft.
@Skibidiscones8 ай бұрын
@@breasonable4343 So have you read up on Forrest? Or are you too busy being toxic to people on the internet?
@breasonable43438 ай бұрын
@@Skibidiscones We can see you have trouble making your point. What is it?
@widgetfilms4 жыл бұрын
The Gettysburg Address is one of the most enlightening speeches in history. If you ever get the chance, read it aloud from the transcript carved on the wall of the Lincoln Memorial. It is a fantastic experience.
@brianarbenz72064 жыл бұрын
I have read it on a plaque in a national cemetery in New Albany, Ind.
@elbruces4 жыл бұрын
I've read it online. Says the same thing.
@fuzzybeargville4 жыл бұрын
mysterious They?
@troublewithweebles4 жыл бұрын
@@fuzzybeargville what now?
@rc76254 жыл бұрын
@Peter Grahame Lmfao, go cry it out underneath your rebel flag bedsheets.
@iammrbeat4 жыл бұрын
This is by far the best video I've seen on this subject. You do great work, sir.
@yashjoseph35444 жыл бұрын
@@lasernathan6812 The facts help persuade people to stop defending these statues because he gives reasons to why they're bad.
@telegraphjames45423 жыл бұрын
What's up Mr. Beat?
@saintbrush43984 жыл бұрын
I just wanna say, those last 5 minutes were truly inspiring. Anyone can really see how passionate you are for truth and the longing for a better America. You are, in my eyes, a true patriot. Not because of your uniform, but because of your heart.
@stefan55733 жыл бұрын
My guy was about to make me proud of being American(im from europe)
@saintbrush43983 жыл бұрын
@@stefan5573 Lol, he's got that god-tier public speaking.
@stefan55733 жыл бұрын
@@saintbrush4398 no cap
@Tigershark_30823 жыл бұрын
Just reading this made me happy. You, kind sir or ma'am, made my day
@problems34853 жыл бұрын
It was emotional af for me literally teared up
@VIVISALT Жыл бұрын
Erecting statues of confederate soldiers is just “honoring” history but if there were any schools, monuments, or statues dedicated to communist leaders, you would never hear this argument from the same people.
@michaelh4804 Жыл бұрын
Honoring people that wanted to own slaves, killed people for their power. How would a black person feel whos ancestors were tortured by these people? We also have monuments that remember fallen soldier who fought in ww2 here in germany. But not of fucking hitler or goebbels themselves. That would be a threatening sign for the jewish population here. It really depends on what these people did. Soldiers being forced in a war or even showing bravery helping the oppressed is a huge difference from depicting the oppressors themselves.
@Helperbot-2000 Жыл бұрын
@@michaelh4804 yeah exactly, thats the important difference
@nubreed13 Жыл бұрын
There are statues of Communist leaders in the US.......
@ogjerslgnlsjdn Жыл бұрын
You're not entirely wrong but... MLK is a lot closer to communism than the white washed version of MLK.
@frederickgriffith7004 Жыл бұрын
The only compromise I can see is placing all of these statues, placques and memorials in each state where they reside in a Confederate Museum within each State.But keeping them in public spaces is no longer relevant.These artifacts were erected well with after the CIVIL WAR ENDED.During the Jim Crow era they were erected to remind Blacks and other people of color to remember their place.A show of White supremacy.A show of institutional supremacy under the guise of honoring and respecting such individuals.THE DAUGHTERS OF THE CONFEDERACY played a significant role in advocating for these monuments and the revisionist history within the Educational curriculum.I myself might respect these Confederate soldiers and Generals for their fighting prowess,but never admire them because their aim was the dissolution of the Union itself.In my opinion a traitorous offense.I understand the Confederacy had many grievances against the Federal government other than Slavery.States rights is one.And the other was their belief that the federal government was imposing unfair import/export duties upon goods and raw materials as they crossed state lines by land and by sea.One of my great grandfathers had the honor of befriending both Former Union and Confederate soldiers while working on the docks in Baltimore during the late 19th early 20th centuries.Here is the truth from their perspective.The Union soldiers told him the Union Generals told the White Union soldiers that the fight was to first and foremost to preserve the Union.If the Slaves were freed after a Union victory.So be it.The War started in 1861.The Emancipation Proclamation was drafted in 1863.The Black Union soldiers were told that the federal government would fight for equality on their behalf of their service to the Union. That when the Confederate states voted to secede that within itself was an act of provocation.Because Lincoln had promised to compromise by allowing Slavery to remain in the States where it already existed but not allow its expansion if it meant keeping the Confederate states in the Union.Lincoln was concerned that slave labor was beginning to encroach upon the Industrial sector within the border states.As since there were lulls in the planting season, Southern landowners were expanding the practice of contracting out slave labor to private entities.Which posed quite a dilemma to the steady influx of European immigration.What is remarkable to me is that Confederate soldiers that confided in my great grandfather stated that they were concerned about what type of society they were returning to in the event of a Confederate victory.They found the Confederate leaders to be increasingly autocratic and they lamented the treatment of the poorer White farmers, women and children as the authorities demanded they hand over all foodstuffs and supplies on behalf of the soldiers at the expense of the women and children left behind.These mostly poor White soldiers clearly understood that there existed a social and class hierarchy amongst White people.Many of the Confederate Generals came from wealthy and Aristocratic families.While the soldiers were comprised of mainly poor and middle class Whites.Their main concern was whether social and upward mobility for them would be easier for them as a result of their service to the CONFEDERACY.And that was an increase in land acquisition They realized it was hard enough to compete against slave labor and Wealthy White planters.But they were also concerned about what would happen should the slaves be freed.Because then they would have to compete with them for labor, resources and living space.So in reality the glory of the Confederacy was not as glorious for some Southern White men either.And the White power structures realized they had to come up with a viable solution to appease the fears of many of these returning soldiers.Or else there may well have been another rebellion regardless of a Confederate victory or not.
@a_pirate14343 жыл бұрын
My great-great-great-grandfather fought for the Union at Gettysburg in the Michigan 24th “Iron Brigade” regiment. God I wonder what he would think seeing the rebels glorified by so many, not even just in the South. I see the Confederate battle flag flown in rural northern Michigan, in the heart of Yankee country. How’d we let this be their legacy?
@joelinbrown97923 жыл бұрын
Ikr?? I live in Indiana and you can find it flying in some places, but specially in rural areas. Like?!?? You’re in the north??! Why?!?😭
@duckeydude672 жыл бұрын
MIchigan woooo!!!!
@operleutnant72352 жыл бұрын
Wisconsinite here, whilst I do not have any knowledge of my family during the Civil War, I do see it as somewhat worrying to see that sort of thing so common where I’m from
@capnboom2 жыл бұрын
Fellow Michigander here, and living near Detroit, which I'm sure you know is predominantly colored people of all races, I see way too much of the Confederate flag. I see them on pick up trucks in front of a police station when I'm on my way home. I see them when I'm getting a slushy from Circle K. It's a problem how much I've seen it, here in the far north nonetheless. It's quite worrying how little we as a people have learned from history.
@tigor24412 жыл бұрын
I also had a relative in the 24th! I too hate seeing the confederate battle flag being flown in yankee country and I wish I could do something to get rid of them, but as of now I cannot
@maximolopezjr22494 жыл бұрын
General Lee never wanted monuments to the Confederacy erected.
@TheUrbanSimian4 жыл бұрын
A Ulysses statue was torn down recently www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/san-francisco-protesters-tear-down-union-general-ulysses-s-grants-statue/ar-BB15KtqI As well as a couple of Jefferson, and one George Washington statue had a flag burnt on it's head before being torn down Though I'm fine with removing confederate statues, the whataboutism has been proven correct
@Ultimaton1004 жыл бұрын
LTC No, it hasn’t. The whataboutism is still a lie. The vast majority of Americans on *both* sides of the political spectrum oppose testing down statues of Washington, Jefferson, and other non-Confederates: www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-17/far-right-boogaloo-boys-linked-to-killing-of-california-lawmen-other-violence%3f_amp=true?client=safari
@TheUrbanSimian4 жыл бұрын
@@Ultimaton100 doesn't matter if they oppose it, it still happened
@TheUrbanSimian4 жыл бұрын
@@Ultimaton100 why link an article about boogaloo bois youre clearly trying to spin your own narrative because them killing politicians isn't linked with what I said at all. Just because I think taking down statues is bad doesn't mean I condone killing political officials, plus the John Brown gun club consider themselves boogaloo bois but are far left so clearly that article is fake AF
@TheUrbanSimian4 жыл бұрын
@@Ultimaton100 also you know what's crazy? The American left can never do anything wrong their record is so clean it's crazy, and it's always the right doing everything wrong no matter what, if I didn't know better id say that almost sounds as simplistic as say... a child's cartoon. But no it's always easy to know who the bad guy is and there's always a good guy and they're always the same people and the good guys never ever I'm a bazillion years do anything worth criticizing
@mayor63664 жыл бұрын
If a statue/symbol is used to remember imperfection instead of glorify it, I’m fine with it staying around
@SafetySpooon4 жыл бұрын
I have a saying: "Fine, you keep your monuments. But WE're going to write the PLAQUES for them!"
@carlosfaria73904 жыл бұрын
@@SafetySpooon sure... why not... If u don't say something on the lines off "Every single soldier who fought for the confederacy was a racist" on the statues in honor to the confederates soldiers who died I'm ok with it... If u want to write racist on the statue of jeferson davis go ahead... or any guy in spacific which we know were clearly only defending he preservetion of slavery... U could take most of them down too, just let the ones who honor the dead soldiers stand or move them into cemeteries or war momorials...
@mwblackbelt4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@11Survivor4 жыл бұрын
@@carlosfaria7390 It belongs in a museum!!!
@hornet3704 жыл бұрын
they represent those who died for their state, not every confederate soldier (who most were young men, farmers, and sometimes children) was for slavery, they had the morale high ground, not dying for slavery, but dying for their state, yeah they really must be the devils men
@na24862 жыл бұрын
I had originally wrote a long speech about how much I’ve enjoyed your civil war videos which I’ve been binging and how they’re enlightened me about the nature of the lost cause, but I’ll keep it shorter. Thank you so much for these videos, they’re both entertaining and informative and I deeply enjoy them.
@smackattack974 жыл бұрын
“Youre not stupid but youre misinformed.” That meant alot to me and I appreciate you candor. While I disagreed on a point or two, this video definitely made me appreciate your “camps” argument, and i will seriously reconsider my position.
@brytonwallis48174 жыл бұрын
What about non-confederate statues?
@GreyeSkye4 жыл бұрын
I don't think it gets said enough, so: Much praise to you for being able to listen to the arguments and actively consider your own positions in that light, rather than simply taking them as a personal attack. Whichever "camp" you end up deciding to be a part of, I appreciate your willingness to make the examination.
@arrfffff74554 жыл бұрын
Bryton Wallis leave them If you want to remove then put them up on the market, keep it in a museum or vote to get it out of there
@cjp15994 жыл бұрын
Why support monuments of traitors to the United States?
@86brando354 жыл бұрын
I mean, good on you for being willing to have a wide ear.....I'd like to hear some of those points because most of this video is him correcting misinformation by simply citing the historic facts via recorded information....there isn't as much subjective interpretation there.
@servoaugusta5134 жыл бұрын
I have no statue of myself. I can’t remember who I am as a result.
@warweasel28324 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's sad. if only we could find a way to definitively document your life, goals, and general thoughts. Maybe through some sort of system of information conveyance. Something that could be used to create a physical or digital storage method for storytelling, documentation, and opinions. You could maybe even package these items and... sell or rent them out to people... via some sort of... publicly-held "warehouse" so that the information would be easily accessible for all citizens. But nah, that's crazy! Guess we'll just have to continue using ONLY monuments and statues to record history in a medium whose purpose is to be subjectively interpretable!
@Nugnugnug4 жыл бұрын
You're Darth Revan. The Jedi erased your memories to use you as a weapon against the Sith.
@gapshot50654 жыл бұрын
You don’t have a statue because you didn’t do anything to earn one🤷♂️
@QBert9044 жыл бұрын
Gap Shot Okay lemme go buy some black people and enslave them. Now, what if I told you I hold electrical patents?? Haha, racism forgotten, gimme a statue 👍
@gapshot50654 жыл бұрын
Otacon with your stupid logic we should ban all Japanese imports because they committed war crimes against US way back in the 1940’s and Japan should ban anything American because we nuked them...see the flaw in your libtarded logic, where does it end lol
@hellenicboy47574 жыл бұрын
The confederacy is part of American history, Confederates were Americans. Respect your history and honor your ancestors, That's what all Americans should do.
@snogs1004 жыл бұрын
Just like all the BLM fools burning down the nation right now
@jamesmorseman31804 жыл бұрын
@Crowned Crusader I actually thought people like you were a meme but color me surprised to discover that you're unfortunately real! There are just so many things wrong with this that i can'y begin to dissect it but just know that nobody agrees with you and people do not take you seriously.
@TubeMRHappy4 жыл бұрын
@@snogs100 I pray for you to one day understand the word of god and feel the love of Jesus in your heart, that the hate which is clouding your love for Him leaves your body so you can enter the heavens
@hoopsmcgee82724 жыл бұрын
@Crowned Crusader Weren't you already ripped to shreds in other episodes of Checkmate, Lincolnites?
@jacoblinde74864 жыл бұрын
@@hoopsmcgee8272 He's got a horcrux, so he was able to slink off to the shadows to regain strength.
@AdamOwenBrowning2 жыл бұрын
I was in KY when that monument moved. I had a small disagreement with my friend who I was staying with - my perspective was in such a narrow place because I was visiting from England and didn't KNOW about American history and its budding culture. This video, yourself and the words of union vets changed my mind. Thank you.
@Skibidiscones8 ай бұрын
If it's important to you I'd recommend studying the civil war and the aftermath in more detail. Abuse, robbery and rape of southern civilians was rampant.
@AdamOwenBrowning7 ай бұрын
@@Skibidiscones That's absolutely correct and you're right that we never look at both sides evenly. It hasn't been long enough yet. We need to wait another one or two hundred years before we become objective enough and no longer coloured by our emotional attachment to our ancestor's causes. I think the issue with accepting Southern civilians suffered unjustly from Yankee forces is that it gives some degree of victimhood to sympathizers with genuine pro-Confederate sentiment. It's hard to educate people about the barbaric behaviour of both sides without bringing people to one of two conclusions: "Well, they deserved it" or "Well, they were righteous rebels, look what the North did to 'em" It's completely true and something that happened and becomes a whataboutism game - Southerners also looted, and the plantation class had been treating black people as property for a very long time. If men that treated human women like broodmares got lynched, I can't honestly say I care. I don't shed a tear at the idea of Crassus being brutalized at Carrhae, either. It was a war and both sides, civilians men women and children, were unfairly brutalized by one another. The peoples of America engendered serious hatred towards one another, a virulent, vicious kind of hatred that arises specifically when forced to fight your own countrymen, when forced by terroristic violence committed by your own countrymen. The evil in their eyes and words, hearing when Southern politicians suddenly began advocating extreme hatred and violence, extreme hatred and violence which Southerners then enacted. If your neighbor is caught trying to burn down your house, and you beat the crap out of him? that's tough shit for him isn't it. You're right we should study the aftermath but it's difficult to sympathize when many serious attempts were made by the Union to prevent civil war, to pacify Southern aggression - aggression which was spurred initially by the South regardless, especially when they experienced some victory. The North threatened the South's economy, so the South went at their throats. Who started the fight? These brutalized civilians had been spitting on Union troops for a long time. Frankly, some of these civilians were racist slave owners and whilst we should accept what happened was wrong, many got what they deserved. Many were also not slave-owners, not racist, and did not deserve what they got - that's a big mess that is not clear and understandable. What is understandable is that the rebels, even a good third of their civilian population, their women too, absolutely wanted to not only keep their slaves, but expand their slave ownership to create a slave empire like Rome. There's cultural reasons your dollar has a Graeco-Roman temple spread across it!
@thegospelaccordingtoeljefe55204 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, the witchfinder general comment killed me at the end
@hunnicut54014 жыл бұрын
Me too, my parents looked at me weird
@whitemountain_4 жыл бұрын
"348 years ago" got me.
@suzbone4 жыл бұрын
"muft needs be purg'd" I'm DED
@PitLord7774 жыл бұрын
"PEPIST IDOLATREH"
@alamato40144 жыл бұрын
"I think it wiser not to keep open the sores of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife, to commit to oblivion the feelings engendered," Robert E. Lee
@daviddawson17184 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@eazy85794 жыл бұрын
I'm glad that this quote is remembered
@freddysw4 жыл бұрын
He was begrudging in admitting defeat but he did admit it and work for a form of reconciliation, it was white reconciliation but he didn’t join the KKK as some did
@Atalanta13134 жыл бұрын
I Hungary, they took all the "heroic" statutes of Lenin and Stalin and moved them to one place and turned into into a tourist trap. "Come see TONS of communism!"
@Morrigi1924 жыл бұрын
That's hilarious. Exactly what they deserve.
@CaomhanOMurchadha4 жыл бұрын
Great way to take money from commie tourists
@jonathanford70554 жыл бұрын
Neither Lenin nor Stalin were Hungarians who died fighting for Hungary.
@Killzoneguy1174 жыл бұрын
@@CaomhanOMurchadha You can be opposed to Communism while still appreciating the Communist period of history. I have no love for Communism and no desire to live in a Communist society but I love the Soviet Union from a purely historical standpoint. Not so much because I agree with what it did but I find the entirety of Soviet history to be incredibly fascinating, especially for the huge impact it had on human history as a whole. Plus, let's face it, it's impossible not to listen to Soviet era music and start feeling a desire to charge Mamayev Kurgan
@CaomhanOMurchadha4 жыл бұрын
@@Killzoneguy117 I know what you mean. Russian music is very strong and empowering. I always thought it was retarded how the whole Crimean war happened. Russaphobia from the West was stupid. Empire was a big folly. Hindsight is 20/20. The west wanted to prevent Russia from having an empire for I don't know. Stupid reasons? Because God forbid Russia liberated Christendom from the Ottomans back then. So bizarre how things changed in such a short time after all those events.
@scribesorcerer49672 жыл бұрын
He looks…almost as if he is holding back tears, reciting the Gettysburg Address. And he nearly brought me to tears. The country’s ideals have never been truly attained, but still the People fight for this country, they bleed for this country, they speak for this country. And they seek to form the more perfect Union by which our father’s so hopefully sought. It is, therefore, fitting; that our flag is one that should represent the ideals of a country that speaks of freedom and equality, yet cannot attain it due to works of the divisive and the hateful. We hold our hands to our hearts, we the People of the United States, to pledge allegiance to these ideals. May our ideals, not our actions, succeed in the end. For liberty, and justice for all. Atun-Shei, I pray you see this. You are a true patriot of our country. And I respect every endeavor and labor you dedicate yourself to, for the sake of teaching lost, confused, deceived people about our country. Faults and all.
@callumjohnston8584 жыл бұрын
Britain successfully remembers The Blitz without statues to Hitler, Goering, Himmler and Goebbels. Don't ask me how.
@drewdurbin49684 жыл бұрын
Not even remotely the same. But keep spouting open a book please.
@spookrockcity4 жыл бұрын
Every historical comparison needs to include the Nazis according to people who legitimately don't know any history and need a shock factor to make the argument for them.
@callumjohnston8584 жыл бұрын
@@spookrockcity How about: "I successfully remember the general facts surrounding the French Revolution and the following Napoleonic war without statues to the French Revolutionaries that carried out the Reign of Terror, Napoleon and his horse." Yes, there's shock factor, but given the ideological similarities between the two groups in question, I felt it was a valid comparison at the macro level, if not the micro.
@davids51264 жыл бұрын
Are we going to take down the statues of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson? Both were slave owners and traitors to their British homeland.
@marcl.13464 жыл бұрын
According to this logic any and all monument of Sherman or Grant should be removed as well as these were the ones burning entire Southern cities to the ground.
@Kaixero4 жыл бұрын
"Get out of your comfort zone history nerds. Get up out of that armchair and stop obsessing about Hannibal's crescent formation for a second and take a good hard look at the world around you. Don't want to repeat history? *Actually learn from it."* That's a great takeaway.
@Jack-xd1bd4 жыл бұрын
I was skimming the comments and as he said that I read this comment.
@mylifeisrushhour24 жыл бұрын
@@Jack-xd1bd Same
@oof68944 жыл бұрын
repeating history is inevitable at this point
@Kaixero4 жыл бұрын
@@oof6894 big nope from me chief
@kattapp4 жыл бұрын
Ngl it would be kinda interesting to see some of it repeat.
@JDB18784 жыл бұрын
All other recorded deliveries of "The Gettysburg Address" are dead and buried. I could only applaud. Then the Witchfinder General killed me at the end.
@Dragonmoon982 жыл бұрын
Another irony of lost causers saying "you can't erase history because it's offensive" is that, whenever you calmly tell the truth that the Confederates fought for slavery, a ton of lost causers seem to get all steamy and go "GoD sAvE tHe SoUtH" and "TyRaNnY!" They're only second to Skyrim players who always pick the Stormcloaks (despite the game outright telling you that Ulfric is a puppet and destroying the empire means possibly damning the world) in responding to calm criticism with screaming buzzwords, chanting out of nowhere and generally acting like someone from a gamer rage compilation, over something that's just irrelevant to most of us in the real world. (Seriously, why do so many Stormcloak players act like they're in a real civil war?)
@taylorpennington8126 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂 this is such a good observation
@Vodgepie14 жыл бұрын
I mean I agree, but why do I have to stop obsessing over Hannibal’s crescent formation:(
@tdog44234 жыл бұрын
Lol
@danielmocsny50664 жыл бұрын
Paraphrasing Woody Allen: They say Hannibal's crescent formation is an empty obsession. But as empty obsessions go, it's not bad.
@lmonk95174 жыл бұрын
He talks about not wanting to repeat the past but at least I can die happily knowing that i'll never be encircled by an invading Carthaginian army. I'll see that shit coming a mile off.
@Vodgepie14 жыл бұрын
L Monk ahead of the game
@L.J.Kommer4 жыл бұрын
@@danielmocsny5066 The crescent formation isn't an empty obsession, its full of dead and dying Romans.
@henrycolestage42494 жыл бұрын
As a sailor on the USS ABRAHAM LINCOLN (CVN72), I had the great honor of reading out the address to all 5K of my shipmates. It was true and heartfelt when it was first spoken by Lincoln and it is just as true and moving today. ISC(PJ), USN, Ret.
@MrShoebox214 жыл бұрын
You know I've seen a lot of your videos and I have to say - this video, and your Gods and Generals video...this is when I've actually seen you ANGRY. Not just educational, not just understanding, but ANGRY. Especially when you were discussing the pro-violence and pro-lynching southern leaders. Hell, you practically spat Benjamin Tillman's name...which is understandable, the man was a one-eyed snake. Kudos, man.
@Bobbymaccys7 ай бұрын
If it’s your confederate heritage to celebrate these men. Then it is my union heritage, to remind you, how you came second place. #bluebelliesforlife
@nickaschenbecker98825 ай бұрын
It's no marvel that some champion the underdogs of the Confederacy. Look how many Cleveland Browns fans there are floating around. 😂😂 Some people just feel sorry for born losers.
@jabscha70514 жыл бұрын
I'll always find it funny in a dark way that the reason why I stopped supporting Confederate statues was from seeing who was the MOST vocal at supporting them. Turns out it's not unbiased history buffs
@spookrockcity4 жыл бұрын
When your intellectual compass is vastly overpowered by the the political landscape, you are officially a slave.
@jabscha70514 жыл бұрын
@@spookrockcity - Joe Mama, 1874
@jabscha70514 жыл бұрын
@@spookrockcity it isn't politics, it is my own moral code, I don't want to support symbols that neo-Nazis are literally willing to kill for, as seen in Charlottesville. That just proved to me that these statues are seen as much more than just historical markers, both then and now they are icons for white supremacists, whether we like it or not
The most vocal are not the majority. Shouldn't pull down something historical just because of a few bad apples. They will continue to be icons for those who we disagree with, Even when removed. Better to leave them up and teach the next generation unbiased history.
@stoner00464 жыл бұрын
As someone who has had a love of history, I believed it was wrong to remove Confederate monuments, but after listening to your well reasoned arguments I now realized I was wrong. While I will no longer support and urge the removal of those monuments that honor the Confederate cause or there leaders, I continue to believe it still proper to keep those monuments at such places such as cemeteries. Here in my home state of New Jersey there is a single marker at the cemetery were over 2,000 CSA POWs are interned. It is important to show respect for the dead, without trying to glorify the cause they fought for.
@tymerallen20554 жыл бұрын
Ive always maintained the belief that they should be removed but not destroyed, as he said we could build a museum for them or maybe donate them to one of the smithsonians.
@tdog44234 жыл бұрын
To be honest you shouldn’t let one video change your mind. Dig into other stuff if you’re that into this topic. Personally both sides are wrong and I have no sympathy nor support for either. He might sound educated but it doesn’t mean he is completely educated. I’m not saying he isn’t, he clearly knows things but don’t believe what one man tells you.
@FireHawkISA4 жыл бұрын
One of the more interesting ideas I've seen is a museum created, in which these statues would be faced towards the wall in order to remove glorification from the cause. Display and acknowledgement is one thing, but making a space of reverence is very different, and many of these Confederate monuments are specifically reverential to the cause, not just respectful of the people they depict. There needs to be a direct effort and values need to be put forward to denounce these views while acknowledging their existence. There is a similar thing done with (shocker) Hitler, where in one Holocaust museum, the room in which the bust is displayed is designed to be claustrophobic and uncomfortable, and the bust is painted black, and facing the wall, so that nobody can look directly at its face.
@tobiasmatthews82324 жыл бұрын
@@FireHawkISA Also I feel like it could be interesting to trace the history of these statues themselves in a museum or similar setting, given that at this point in many ways these statues tell just as much of a story as the events, movements, and people that led to their creation.
@srelma4 жыл бұрын
@@tdog4423 That's a pretty unfair thing to throw in if you don't accompany it with rational counter-arguments on things that he said on the video. The video presented rational fact based arguments against the most commonly used arguments for not removing the statues. You need to demonstrate that either the facts he bases his claims or the logic he comes to his conclusion are wrong. Otherwise your "both sides are wrong" is just empty words.
@bbfissingle17154 жыл бұрын
Geez, I'm a Confederate Re-enactor in a company full of Lost Causers. I discovered your channel while in COVID limbo and I completely agree with you about the Confederacy. But I'm still a little worried about the friction I may cause when I'm asked those "awkward" questions by camp visitors.
@lavrentivs98914 жыл бұрын
Maybe suggest this channel and some good books on the topic to the visitors and perhaps to your fellow re-enactors if it turns into a discussion? =)
@theheretic37644 жыл бұрын
Yeah you may wanna double check some of his ...umm...assessments...
@bbfissingle17154 жыл бұрын
@@theheretic3764 Like what? Not trying to be a tool, I'm genuinely curious.
@gazeboist45354 жыл бұрын
Probably best to start with confederates oppressing southerners. Stuff like the lynching of loyalists, that sort of thing.
@toukairin3544 жыл бұрын
I'm also a local reenactor in my country. What we do is usually we print stuff of FAQs, sometimes it's pamphletes (if the budget is there!) but usually a poster, related to our costumes and and what we do. I always believe a reenactor's "role" in public is to educate. So if someone stops learning in your unit... You might need to have a long talk or maybe get out...
@everythingthrice25828 ай бұрын
The best case scenario was what happened to the gold bust of Nathan Bedford Forrest in Tennessee. It was in the Tennessee state capital building and the people of Tennessee voted upon it to have it removed. It was removed and placed in the Tennessee State Museum in the section of how people from Tennessee were involved in the Civil War. It wasn't destroyed like certain other monuments, and it was taken from one public space to a space where more people can view the bust and learn about who the person is and what they did instead of the bust existing for seemingly no reason.
@dominicguye80588 ай бұрын
Agreed, that might indeed be the best case scenario
@kanifalam78353 жыл бұрын
This must be right after Johnny Reb and Billy Yank enlisted, look how clean shaven and close cropped they are.
@seanmcmanamon82454 жыл бұрын
In Liverpool, England there was a controversy years ago on what to do about a street called "Penny Lane," that was named after a local slave trader in the 18th century. Yes, that "Penny Lane" that The Beatles wrote a great song about. Now, street names are not statues but the city council decided to keep the street name but set up an amazing museum on Liverpool's role in the slave trade that pulls no punches. As a history teacher, I enjoyed the museum and thought it was a good response to the issue.
@thomaswolff89254 жыл бұрын
‘Liverpool’s International Slavery Museum also said evidence linking Penny Lane to James Penny is “not conclusive”, but it is “actively investigating” its history.’ - the independent.
@sentientbakedziti4 жыл бұрын
How about you just rename it to "The Beatles' Penny Lane". Then you can distance yourselves from the Slave Owner while celebrating the Beatles instead
@Holygiant4 жыл бұрын
That's really cool actually. I am vehemently against honoring confederates in the US but Penny Lane obviously has its own significant history outside of the original name. I would have been a little disappointed if the name was changed.
@corncrackerkid50924 жыл бұрын
It was named for how much the toll was, it was a “Penny Lane” the myth of it being named for J. Penny was actually mentioned in the Beatles myths and tall tales section of the book Fab Four FAQ,
@robjenkinson14874 жыл бұрын
@Big Rock Idk because every country in the Americas,Africa (except Ethiopia) and the middle East and large parts of Asia were once at sometime invaded and governed by Europeans, that's why. European governments did a hell of lot of seriously sketchy,racist, genocidal and just generally insidious shit whilst plundering resources and stealing lands from native peoples, that's a fact. You can't expect 300 years of European imperialism to be healed in 75 years of global peace, whether we taking about Confederate statues, or Artifacts in the British museum,the genocide of the aboriginal people in Australia or the legacy of colonialism on the sub-continent, it's all the same issue, that's why. Nobody is guilty for the sins of their ancestors but systematic racism exists to varying degrees in all of Britain's former Dominions.
@MyPhobo3 жыл бұрын
I always thought that southern plantations should be turned into museums in the same vein as the concentration camps being turned into holocaust museums, instead of hosting weddings and shit.
@highjumpstudios23843 жыл бұрын
Maybe I wanna have my wedding at the Treblinka camp, you don’t know my life.
@mcseedat3 жыл бұрын
@@highjumpstudios2384 lmao
@RaptorJesus3 жыл бұрын
Eh. That didn't happen because Plantations were peoples' actual houses and such, and they continued to be used long after the war.
@alexamerling79 Жыл бұрын
@@highjumpstudios2384😂😂😂 thats dark
@mordred_ Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the decision of removing or maintaining should be solely on the local community. And if any statues are deemed to have any historical value (which I believe most of them don't) they should be moved to a museum
@KingpinCarlito Жыл бұрын
I share that exact same sentiment. It’s an unfortunate part of American history but it is history nonetheless that should be preserved in a museum
@Silvreina10 ай бұрын
How about we simply dont commemorate traitors with statues meant to specifically intimidate black people? That is why they were built during the Civil Rights Movement lol
@fruitlessbeast3 жыл бұрын
It’s my estimation that every man who ever had a statue made of him was one kinda sumbich or another.
@GarrettRockey3 жыл бұрын
Captain Malcolm Reynolds
@fruitlessbeast3 жыл бұрын
@@GarrettRockey You can't stop the signal.
@snakezase29983 жыл бұрын
Ayyyyyyy fucking love firefly
@nubreed13 Жыл бұрын
Ironically enough general Lee didn't want a statue made of himself at all.
@TraxelAxel4 жыл бұрын
2:45 I'm not pro-monument, but I am also staunchly against destroying these statues. They belong in museums or national parks with tours and exhibits to give context. They don't belong in public squares or courthouses or anywhere else
@ChrisMaxfieldActs4 жыл бұрын
They are mostly cheap, pot metal statues with very little merit artistically, and completely offensive politically.
@larsandrune4 жыл бұрын
Three were melted down in Baltimore in 2017. One lee and Jackson on horseback had incredible detail. Made by important artist Laura g Fraser in 1947-48.
@shadymerchant11984 жыл бұрын
@@larsandrune good they should keep doing that
@ChrisMaxfieldActs4 жыл бұрын
@@larsandrune That's pretty late for Confederate statues to be built, isn't it? She won the design contest in 1936! Well, that one is not being destroyed, although it seems to be in storage with plans to move it to a museum setting in Virginia.
@ChienaAvtzon4 жыл бұрын
larsandrune - Why was Lee ever immortalized in Baltimore? Maryland was a Union State.
@BlazingRoman3 жыл бұрын
Imagine putting up monuments to the losers. This post was made by the Union gang. EDIT: I should put a monument to the people who died of the radiation emitted by these replies, though
@BlazingRoman3 жыл бұрын
@Thanagor of Scourge yeah, that seems pretty excessive.
@illbill59043 жыл бұрын
@Thanagor of ScourgeThey were just mad that they didn't have a statue.
@AN474-e1o3 жыл бұрын
There are plenty of monuments to Indians in the U.S..
@als30223 жыл бұрын
Vietnam Memorial
@j.griffy21283 жыл бұрын
@@BlazingRoman It’s not about winning or losing, it’s about men who took up arms in honor of their state and died fighting for it. They didn’t start the war, they were sent to fight by their government.
@mikeymasters8459 Жыл бұрын
Mr. Patterson was woke, even during the Victorian era. A true patriot 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@catriona_drummond4 жыл бұрын
Make monuments to remember poor suckers who lost their lives, not to the bloody generals who sent them to death.
@jedimastersterling13 жыл бұрын
As always the Witchfinder General dominates the flamewar
@davidozab27533 жыл бұрын
HELLFIRE FLAME WAR
@grandestcherokee4 жыл бұрын
tfw falls off confederate monument and gets arrested for damaging it after being ordered to destroy it