Werner Herzog on Philosophy of his Films, Cancel Culture, Consumerism & More | Full Video Episode

Lawrence joins acclaimed film director Werner Herzog at his home in Los Angeles to discuss societal norms, consumerism, cancel culture, the colonization of Mars, the philosophy behind his art and films, and much more.
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The Origins Podcast, a production of The Origins Project Foundation, features in-depth conversations with some of the most interesting people in the world about the issues that impact all of us in the 21st century. Host, theoretical physicist, lecturer, and author, Lawrence M. Krauss, will be joined by guests from a wide range of fields, including science, the arts, and journalism. The topics discussed on The Origins Podcast reflect the full range of the human experience - exploring science and culture in a way that seeks to entertain, educate, and inspire.
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[@L.L.2045]

Werner Herzog is a man i deeply admire. I am a German from munich myself and it is so astounding to me that this man, and I have seen old interviews with him from the 70`s, that this man walked out to the world and created this astonishing body of art. He really is an important figure in world history. His documentaries especially are one of the most unique and fitting-hard hitting observations of man and intrinsic behaviour of the human animal. I kid you not, I think Herzog and Shakespeare could look each other in the eye and recognize their own kind. But anyway it is not worth admiring another man who has done great things as it is only worth trying to do any things yourself.

[@nicholassullivan1239]

Yes, but we all have our limitations, and by extension, our choices are not often our own. Rather, there is far less choice and free will than most people acknowledge. To admire an individual as a form of recognition and inspiration certainly makes a great deal of sense. Herzog is not the norm, and that is absolutely ok. Yet Herzog is most certainly an inspiration to those who listen and understand. In the end, it serves the individual far more to recognize one's practical limitations and admire someone such as Herzog than it does to live under the mindset that I, too, must achieve the same, similar, or greater is in fact a horrible thing for anyone. Too many people fall for the garbage of greatness rather than to accept limitations, and this most certainly is the path of a fool. Perhaps I misunderstood what you were saying. In the end, I suppose to do is better than not.

[@TheSoteriologist]

Trotzdem ist er ein Impftrottel und verbreitet die falsche Propaganda von der Überbevölkerung als eigentliches Problem. Er ist geistig vergreist und offenbar irgendwo in den 70er Jahren stehengeblieben.

[@JamieJobb]

Herzog likes to claim his Bavarian roots. Guess he's kinda like our Texans!

[@bruceaisher]

Honestly Herzog could read the phone book and it would still be enthralling. He has the best voice known to man.

[@stephendouglas4545]

What's a phone book? :)

[@threadschanged4252]

@@stephendouglas4545 haha nice joke there

[@juniormakovsky9206]

It would be an 48 hour audio of him reading the telephone book of Manhattan and when he's done with the last name, he'll calmly close it and say:"You just listened to a two-day-long recitation of millions of facts...DOoUH YOUUH FEEL ILLLHOUUUMINATEDT??? "

[@joesantianna121]

him and/ or peter o’toole... either one.

[@resistfascism]

Carl Sagan as well.

[@marco6703]

Honestly..... There is something in this man quite unlike any other. His movies and documentaries are unique doors through which the world assume a different, wider meaning. Even the most irrelevant landscape he manages to combine at art with natural light and music, so the whole scene appears almost trascendental. Many of these scenes are sculptured in my mind and they'll stay forever.

[@china100]

I would highly recommend The Perigrine, which is mentioned in this interview. It is one of the most amazing books I have ever read.

[@greg1mcintosh844]

This conversation relaxes me. I got electrocuted 12 years ago and ever since I have hypersensitivity to untruth. I didn't just receive an electric shock had 347 volts surge through me for upwards of 2 minutes. I still struggle with the physical effects especially in my lower legs and feet and brain but when I can engage in the natural healing modalities simple things stretches muscle toning acupuncture I resolve into a relatively able person but in no way the same person I was. but I digress. They diagnosed me with PTSD as a result of the voltage incident but I think I actually have PTSB ... Post-traumatic stress benefit. Why does everything have to be so negative do you think there's enough time in a lifetime to wallow? I remember the doctors in psychiatric people would Tell what I was feeling then give me a diagnosis such as "adjustment disorder" , "pain disorder," "post-traumatic stress disorder," and "mild anxiety and depression disorder well I didn't have any depression I don't have time to be depressed but I certainly was anxious at the end truth of being told that there was something wrong with not wanting to adjust to a new physical problem and calling that resistance to adjust or accept a disorder compound not with referring to the pain I suffered especially in my legs and my feet as a disorder when it was just simply pain why does it they have to call it a pain disorder I think that's a bit disordered. Well anyway life is much more nuanced and when I listen to two smart people like you and her side dialogue the truth of it relaxes me and what I think is post-traumatic stress benefit is the fact that I relax at the thought of Truth

[@paintboy776]

Mr. Herzog is an intelligent human being, and when he is addressing colonizing other planets my heart raced a bit. I believe as he, we should be concentrating on Earth an how live in harmony and peace right here. And not on Mars or some such other terrestrial sphere.

[@JP51ism]

He's a fan of Elon Musk; interviewing him he interrupts to say he'd like to go to Mars.

[@JP51ism]

@Paul Mina Storm While I admire his thoughtful way of expression, I only know bits of his work; it seems he put people at risk in the Amazon &/or had a casual attitude when injuries did occur or he basked in the legend of whatever hardships. Sadly now billionaires are celebrated for their vanity space shots ~ to promote rides commercially ~ while their employees must piss in bottles.

[@billscannell93]

@Paul Mina Storm Are you absolutely certain scenes of cruelty are not simulated? This is the first I have heard of this--I have only seen a few Herzog movies--and it is hard to believe. He has been so compassionate in the past, even to people on death row. If this is true, it is extremely depressing. I have liked him a lot ever since I first became aware of him, but cruelty to animals is something I find unforgiveable.

[@Edeinawc]

@@billscannell93 Herzog is an intense person. A pretty single minded when it comes to his film, it seems. I'd suggest Klaus Kinski: My Best Fiend, where he talks about his stormy relationship with the actor Klaus Kinski, who died. It's obviously told from Herzog's perspective, but even he admits he has done some messed up stuff and he definitely put people at risk (and was at risk himself) and kept on going. The filming of Fitzcarraldo was particularly grueling, but he doesn't really brag about it. As far as animal cruelty, the only thing I was able to find was a scene in Aguirre where Kinski casually tosses a monkey to the side, but I'd hardly call that animal cruelty and was probably improvised by Kinski on the spot.

[@TheLukanda]

Remember when a couple of velociraptors were having this very discussion? No? There you go.

[@thomaskirkpatrick1134]

Herzog Is Incredible!Such a Poet!

[@ryanb6047]

"Aguirre Wrath of God" hands down top 5 movies ever made. Filmed on site in Amazonia with the most beautiful opening sequence of Spanish Conquistadors descending Machu Picchu into the Green Inferno accompanied by a magical soundtrack from some bloke named Popol Vuh. I wish Herzog would've done more with the subject of high altitude mountain climbing in his 1985 Reinhold Messner documentary "The Dark Glow of the Mountains." It's the mystical quality of his films and documentaries I find appealing.

[@RayZappa]

Popol Vuh were a group based around composer Florian Fricke and they did the soundtracks for several other Herzog films including Heart of Glass and Nosferatu, all fantastic. Agreed, the music at the opening of Aguirre is incredibly mysterious and beautiful.

[@JohnMAdams-nl9zt]

And one of the great ending scenes as well.

[@z0uLess]

Thank you Herzog, for your wisdom. My heart has been aching for a long time from writing in youtube comments, or discussions with people in academia or elsewhere, but now I know that there is still wisdom in humanity and that there is reason to continue.

[@supersonic4901]

Thank you, Werner. Or thank you Mr. Herzog!

[@AyeZimbra]

Hear Hear !

[@Onigirli]

@@supersonic4901 No no, thank YOU for your gratitude, fellow listener

[@nicholassullivan1239]

The difference is, he's a poet and his delivery is beautiful. He simply says the things that many of us commenting already know to true. He just says so beautifully.

[@brunoactis1104]

There's no reason to disregard academia. Unless for you, a reasom can be that it leans left, but that'd be a you problem, no a problem with academia.

[@SOLXXX41]

"When it comes to poetry, writing, filmmaking, just go wild."

[@BrianCarey]

Thanks Lawrence for the interview with Werner. He is a living legend!

[@remilima4823]

Oh god. You got it. He is indeed a living legend.

[@SteffenSchuchardt1978]

@Paul Mina Storm You mean Kinski kicking a snake or throwing a monkey?

[@khamzatchimaev1009]

Absolutely

[@AngusRockford]

One of the most intellectual, yet delightful, directors, along with people like Kubrick and Lynch, and one of my favorites. His personal anecdotes sound like Edgar Rice Burroughs stories rejected for being too far-fetched.

[@soroushbahrami438]

Thank you very much for doing this interview.

[@nowaylon2008]

The world reveals itself to those who travel on foot.

[@PoetryETrain]

Yes if they don’t get killed by drivers on substances and texting and driving... and yes the police and racists, sure many could add more... be safe and well...

[@PoetryETrain]

@@howardkleger Thank you Howard & Alan, this is beyond great stuff...

[@bazingacurta2567]

The world reveals itself to those who stay home all the time.

[@bazingacurta2567]

@The Mutt with no Butt That's what I'll do too man! Esketit

[@jnagarya519]

The world "reveals" itself by internal insight. How much is perception, and how much projection, and how many distorting filters interposed between those?

[@photomukund]

Watched this twice and heard the audio version once. There is so much to learn from Herr Herzog and this interview is like a very good lecture.

[@azaquihelify]

thank you for this conversation Lawrence.

[@thelifeandtimesofjames4273]

Fascinating man to talk to. Really good conversation. I imagine he would be a superb walking companion. Perhaps I now have to reconsider my travels in America one day and walk more.

[@Jets1713]

Awesome interview! Thank you

[@FlexLifes]

Great Podcast, great vibe! Thank you!

[@ivangabaldon9730]

Brilliant conversation, THANK YOU!!!

[@rodbland5101]

This podcast was an all-around pleasure to hear

[@marge6581]

Thanks for the upload. Really inspirational, love this man!

[@dawidrozmus301]

Great talk, great personalities. Thank you!

[@marketahoppova8779]

Thank you Lawrence for meeting with Werner and revealing deep knowledge and wisdom.

[@bennozoid1]

I had the privilege of attending Maestro Herzog’s Rogue Film School in London (2011). Those fascinating days still resonate in my mind as vividly now as 10 years ago. A truly magical being. THANK YOU Werner, for everything you’ve directed, spoken and taught!

[@orianamejer346]

Ah! I'm so jealous

[@andrewbirss7538]

Absolutely brilliant discussion. I didn't agree with all of it but that makes it all the better for me. The depth, intelligence and knowledge on display here simply lifts the heart.

[@ghostdog4330]

Excellent podcast. Thank you.

[@franklulatowskijr.6974]

I love his voice. The man is a legend.

[@imdiyu]

Seeing Mr. Herzog speak always brings smile. And seeing two of my favourite people conversing, makes my day.

[@GaderineInsomniac]

Wonderful interview. Thanks to both of you.

[@greg1mcintosh844]

I LOVE this conversation. Both these minds are so inspiring and so pure and true and real and smart and honest and connected it wakes me up and inspires me it validates my own intuitions thank you thank you both of you thank you

[@lea-anne9133]

Such interesting intellectual man. He talks so eloquently and with so much passion for his art.

[@brutusalwaysminded]

On point about the absurdity of colonizing Mars. Good Lord, let's make Earth a better place.

[@kmcq692]

Herzog is exemplar of being a human who fully extends his physical being into creativity and action. The power of the corpus. Matter mattering.

[@mpcc2022]

Well, earth is not going to be here in another 50 billion years most likely and if it is, it will be inhabitable for most life, so we need to start thinking about interstellar collinization at some point.

[@profhulk1]

More absurd is the statement made by Don Petitt about the loss of technology that enabled space travel to the moon. Don Petitt says, “I’d go to the moon in a nanosecond. The problem is we don’t have the technology to do that anymore. We used to but we destroyed that technology and it’s a painful process to build it back again.” [WTF]. Take some time and think about how absurd that sounds coming from a person alleged to be a chemical engineer and one of NASA's oldest astronauts. Anyone capable of logical thought will come to an obvious conclusion of the truth of NASA and the space program. Either Mr. Petitt is suffering from Dementia and saying things he should not say, or this is an example of "Revelation of Method".

[@heaven7360]

We're aiming to destroy the moon and Mars so of course after Earth is no longer uninhabitable. Only rich people will be able to evacuate and I'll be glad to see them all go. I'll be amazed how long it will take until the entire galaxy is polluted. When I die I'm NEVER coming back...I'm off to somewhere far far far away in the universe.

[@Hhhhhh-sz9ud]

@@mpcc2022 Earth hasn’t even been around for 5 billion years, what’s going to happen in 50 billion is not something we need to concern ourselves with for a while

[@_scabs6669]

This podcast was wonderful. Not only because it had Mr. Herzog but because of the depth of relationship these two had. Most podcasts you see it seems as though the two people had never met before that interview or maybe an hour or two of conversation. These guys know each other for years and they relied on and exploited their previous engagements often throughout their talk, not nearly in the sense of reminiscing but to deepen and enrich the topic at hand. Well done. You have my subscription wholeheartedly, this is really worthwhile material.

[@spidermastermoe]

Thanks for sharing this conversation!

[@hank-uh1zq]

Thank you for this wonderful gift!

[@user-nw7hy5vt5f]

Amazing, thank you

[@Guanaalex]

I see Werner Herzog as an extremely rare gem that made it possible to express the unpronounceable with a hint to the eternal, especially in his Documentary „Encounters at the end of the world“. - Unsurpassed and unique.

[@willbfreed]

Thank you great man!

[@cheri238]

WOW!! WERNER HURTZOG!!! It's an amazing conversion from both of you. I am without words for once. Reverence ✨️ 🙏❤️🌏🌿🕊🎵🎶🎵🎶

[@DwainDwight]

Thx LK - great interview.

[@crosscountryman5642]

Thoroughly enjoyed this interview or conversation more like it! Mr. Herzog is a giant iconoclast whose penchant is to dissect those who would imprison us in mediocrity; rather than set our minds on higher pursuits! His comment on how the cult of celebrity has captured our culture and subjects us to worthless blandness without critical thinking bound in art, literature, and the performing arts. Cultural nihilism has captured our world and directing us into mindlessness and ignorance like the second visit into the dark ages!

[@1fattyfatman]

Its cool to see a man this age so excited by the mysteries of life after having explored them for 7 decades.

[@heaven7360]

what are you talking about???? "a man this age?" What kind of silliness are you talking about?

[@jakejerald]

He got a good start before knowledge became cheap

[@gretareinarsson7461]

What a fantastic conversation😊

[@peteytwofinger]

very entertaining , thanks for this interview .

[@geraldjensen9399]

Thanks for this

[@LesActive]

My "Make a Wish" would be to have Werner record my elegy. I once got a reply back from him to a question I had about one of his films and reading it aloud in his voice was entrancing.

[@Ms_Ve]

This particular podcast enriched my daily life experience so much. Made me think. Re-evalute. Consider. Thank you.

[@hankworden3850]

Are you still doing blow at the local bars all weekend?

[@sunflower-oo1ff]

Thank you so much Mr Krauss for this awesome interview ! You are awesome.I so agree with Werner, we are way too many people on this planet !

[@Natalia-hh8nl]

Wrong! There is plenty space on the Planet for everyone. Every living creature. Just fk globalists want to keep the World for themselves, we have to boot them

[@asynchronicity]

Agreed. It's gross when you see people still blissfully making five, six, seven kids and bragging about it

[@sunflower-oo1ff]

@@asynchronicity So with you👍happy new year🕊

[@asynchronicity]

@@sunflower-oo1ff Have a wonderful 2024 🫵😸

[@Rudolf.Aigner]

Great dialog with much power to inspire. I like Herzog very much.

[@suhanaiqbaliqbal6381]

Loved this interview ❤

[@Notreallyhillbilly]

Werner, I learned to visually tell stories from reading Charles Dickens and watching your films. You are the voyeur of humans' interaction with their surrounding perils and challenges. Lawrence, this is a brilliant discussion between two brilliant humans. Thank you.

[@erpthompsonqueen9130]

Thank you so very much.

[@MaximTendu]

I've just shown Little Dieter Needs To Fly to my Vietnamese wife, now this is going to be the perfect dessert. Thank you and greetings from Hanoi.

[@supergrammar]

Rescue Dawn is one of my favourite films. Great filmmaker.

[@MaximTendu]

@@supergrammar Yeah, that's a good one, too.

[@oscargustaverejlander.]

Wow. This is the first time I've watched a podcast where I can say I've met and had conversations with both men!!

[@KhasAdun1990]

I think it's great Werner had so much to say. He seems like an enthusiastic thinker.

[@danielvarga_p]

Thank you very much!

I really admire him with all his arbitrarities errors and prejudices, what a great human being, To get to know someone like him is a real fortune.

[@stewitr]

Absolutely brilliant!!!!

[@hamuArt]

1:02:50 Good choice. When you first meet the devil, it will hunt you, but if you face it too many times, you will get used to it ... and that's more scary.

[@mariamorgan3009]

That's what scares me about modern societies that structurally create predators and prey. People participate and look away with indifference to the suffering materialized by this violently distorted societal arrangement.

[@LearnWithStephen]

that was fascinating. thank you!

[@patrickpruchnik8389]

Thank you for the very thoughtful interview. Forgive me for commenting on it , but I can’t take my eyes off of the beautiful table. It has a wonderful hands on quality that I associate with Mr. Herzog. I wonder if he may have made it himself.

[@matheusafrancez]

thank you!

[@CineSalvaje]

Amazing interview

[@marinusvisser]

Thanks!

[@stevecox7075]

A truly great artist, and a wonderful humanitarian.

[@budawang77]

Herzog has an amazing voice. Soothing yet intense.

[@MrsFlowerStar]

Sounds so much like Giorgio Moroder in Daft Punk's Giorgio by Moroder.

[@StormyJoeseph]

Excellent content, thank you! 😬👍

[@valja4902]

CAPO el viejo. Verdad que se han escrito muchas patrañas sobre Herzog y su manera de manejarse. Qué feliz me hace ver gente viviendo así sus años mozos y dando el ejemplo. Great one ♡!

[@valja4902]

Sorry pero que Mezquino el entrevistador. Un desastre de persona al lado de Herzog xD. Tremendo... ojalá se hubiera contenido un poco la estupidez !!

[@ScoriacTears]

1:29:12 "The world reveals it's self to those who travel on foot," Werner Herzog.

[@TanyaAxyonova]

I've watched Stroczek not so long ago and it's one of my favorite movies of all time

[@zootsoot2006]

Most depressing movie ever made.

[@suf3799]

@@zootsoot2006 agreed. It's like tragicomic of Five Easy Pieces

[@ohara3459]

Marry me and have my babies.

[@imdiyu]

The Peregrine is my favourite book. Thanks for the suggestion, Mr. Herzog.

[@petez4608]

This is exactly what I needed.

[@tiamatxvxianash9202]

The American Heartland indeed. The spirit of the everyday American or any other free thinking citizen whom did not need to attend an Elitist school to learn the difference between right and wrong, is well intact and ever stronger. William Faulkner would be very proud of this extremely positive discussion between Werner Herzog and Laurence Krauss. Mr. Herzog has put great emphasis upon the necessity to read all one can and to walk the endless roads of practical life experience and observation. Very true. It resonates very well with Arthur Schopenhauer's statement on the meaning of life; “The never ending search for knowledge”

[@jnagarya519]

The search is for "knowledge" (can you defined that?) as either substitute for truth, or means toward that goal.

[@birdwalkin]

wasn't schopenhauer a pessimist who denied life had meaning, said "nobody in his heart would want to live his life twice" and approved of suicide by starvation?

[@khamzatchimaev1009]

What a great men thanks for this podcast 👍

[@markarianludd5930]

Always intelligent and provocative, but also essentially a unique person.

[@joegeorge3889]

Not only a great film maker but also a great documentary maker

[@kokomanation]

I just discovered this channel and I feel really great for this !!!

[@captainaomaruvomexekutivko4919]

This man is a true sage and a master of his craft

[@NiinaSKlove]

How lucky am I who get to indulge in this wonderful conversation! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@dosesandmimoses]

Epic conversation

[@OlazAudio]

hello wörner hörzog , thanks for all your documentarys.

[@louier3846]

Totally captivated by this conversation. Feels good to be transported to an intellectual space light years away from the contemporary non-sensical idiocy of techie, politics and pop culture chatter.

[@TheGuinever]

I could not possibly have said it better; I was thinking exactly the same thing.

[@vbacs22]

Beautifully said.

[@louier3846]

@@vbacs22 Thanks, hey by the way, "the economy is great".

[@Arfabiscuit]

One of the wonders of Werner is he remembers everything .I can't remember what i did last week .

[@jnagarya519]

"Defying norms" is no more difficult, and no more easy. than it has ever been.

[@indoor_gangster]

what a fantastic first this was! Larry has himself a podcast and Werner is his guest, in the flesh, and not by wonky internet connection?! sign me uuuuuuup!

[@FlipjevanTiel]

Werner Herzog played a fantastic movie villain in Jack Reacher. His character and that movie really have scenes that stay with you for a long time.

[@md7398]

Great interview. So good to hear truths, it's so inspiring; it always sounds good.

[@jnagarya519]

Meaning has value; it isn't necessarily "truth". At the same time, facts matter.

[@AlexIsUber]

His voice how he talks is something. Made his role in Mando perfect

[@norwegianblue2764]

First time I've ever visited this channel. Big fan of Herzog. Enjoyed the interview. Disappointed to learn that Krauss is an anti-theist. Atheism, I understand. Agnosticism, I understand. Actively working against all forms of religion..., I don't understand. It requires a degree of hubris I cannot fathom. Kind of heart-breaking.

[@NerdySabbath]

Is that olive branch extended to cults or jus cults in large numbers?

[@LiliumCruorem]

Aguirre the wrath of god was my fave movie as a kid! Love Herzog’a stuff.

[@cynthiaschultheis1660]

The struggle with faith is very difficult then more than now. What I haven't read, I just need to listen or read Herzog.👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼🙏🙏🙏❤❤❤❤📚📚📚📚

[@bigdavek.8322]

Werner's pretty much said the same thing I've said about the Amish. It's not likely to happen, but seeing a documentary about the Amish from him would be compelling.

[@larahamilton2273]

Great interview! Wish the sound was a little better on Werner.

[@woots9433]

nice conversation

[@BurlapJohnW]

I succumbed to consumerism and ordered The Peregrine about a minute ago.

[@hnttakata713]

A man of honor and great strength, yet, gentle lion. Thank you for the insight.

[@Dy8632]

Hello HNT

[@TheRWE12]

I could listen to Werner all day.

[@Somereasonstolive]

Its nice to see how humble Herzog is in real life.

[@JoeSamsonMedArt]

It's impossible for me to love this conversation enough.