Western Culture: Death & Rebirth, with Richard Tarnas

Richard Tarnas is known as one of the most influential and perceptive cultural historians of our time. In 'Passion of the Western Mind', he presented a vast overview of the history of western thought and culture, with predictions of where both were heading. On its release it was hailed as a masterpiece, allowing "readers to grasp the big picture of Western culture as if for the first time".
Twenty-five years on from its release, the world has changed dramatically, how has his thought changed?
And in a time of renewed interest in philosophy and big ideas, what does Richard Tarnas make of the rise of Jordan Peterson and the Intellectual Dark Web?
The epilogue to Passion of the Western Mind is online here: www.gaiamind.com/Tarnas.html
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[@09bamasky]

I saw Tarnas at the Founders Day Symposium at the CG Jung Institute in Chicago, and it has been one of my favorite lectures I’ve ever attended. Brilliant and lovely man.

[@JDG602]

Richard Tarnas is truly an amazing human being that is bringing a change of consciousness to many of us in the world, especially us "westerners". His book "Passion of the Western Mind" really helped me out a lot in my self-education and my perceptions of our intellectual history. He truly understood a lot of these very important changes in our worldviews and the bigger picture of it all. He also is a key factor in the awareness of our need for a change or synthesis of our worldviews to push us forward and take us on different avenues to further our evolution. Materialism is not moving us forward and is hindering us if anything. More and more people are unsatisfied and doubtful of the current mode of thought. It needs to change or at least evolve to include things beyond a simple "can it be measured" outlook. Otherwise, we are ignoring a huge part of our existence. I have his book Cosmos and Psyche and I am very excited to read it. Thank you sir for doing this interview this really is a great supplement to his book.

[@jeffersonpower3356]

Please, please , please do another interview with Tarnas exploring his work in Cosmos and Psyche! It really is the cutting edge and opens up soooo much on the individual, cultural and political levels that I think your audience will resonate with.

[@AngieWilkins]

Astrology podcast host Chris Brennan does a brilliant interview with Richard Tarnas on "Cosmos and psyche". If you have not seen it, it is worth checking out.

[@jasonaus3551]

Without JBP as a gateway to big ideas, I would not be reading Pavel Florensky, Sergius Bulgakov, Berdyaev, Jung, Tarnas, Rene Giriard, Mircea Eliade, Matthieu Pageau the list goes on. I am not a highly educated person, just a regular Australian Dad

[@jasonaus3551]

Haha already had Plato

[@jasonaus3551]

Well worth reading

[@jeffersonpower3356]

Im a aussie dad too, 3 beautiful boys and when i first read cosmos and psyche over 10 years ago i intuitively knew it was the future...go deep brother...i also beleive australia is the future, australia can become the awakener!

[@aydnofastro-action1788]

KangaRude Media You are highly educated now. Good job. So many people with MBA’s and other soulless BS. Degrees. ....A lifetime journey of learning is up to each one of us.

[@aydnofastro-action1788]

Jefferson Power yeah... WTF is with you guys in Australia??? I grew up in East Tennessee, lives a while in the south and now Los Angeles. You aussies seem so up. on all the cool shit. Keto diets, etc, I also love the music from down under. Hats off to ya!

[@creativedrumming]

Richard Tarnas is amazing! He has great character, his super deep understanding of the history of thought, with clarity on what is, and how these work together. Also how the Philosophical/Psychological aspects of our journey are so important to our well being; our sanity and creativity. The modles of the future are dependent on them. I loved this! Thank you Richard Tarnas! For all your great work! You are so Awesome!! A testament to the human spirit... Peace Love Harmony Beuaty Creativity Knowledge and Control. All very available to us. It takes this kind of work, for resulting acheivement!

[@aydnofastro-action1788]

Thank you, Rebel Wisdom for bringing Tarnas into the dialogue. This is actually a dream video for me. I have been pushing for the podcast world to discover and share this giant of a thinker with the world. Getting his views on JP priceless. His summation of Jung at the end just beautiful. We need a campaign to get RT on the Joe Rogan Podcast. His thoughts of psychedelics and McKenna would be right up Joe’s alley. In fact if he sees this he will be jealous of this great interview. Also Russell Brand’s Under the Skin etc. RT is a vital voice that is SO needed in this new intellectual climate.

[@marscruz]

I read Richard Tarnas's book back when it came out and was blown away that someone could put into words the uncongealed thoughts and feelings that I had been carrying around for years. He explained the source of the alienation that I had been feeling toward my own culture and the dissatisfaction with my role as a person seeking meaning and understanding in modern western culture. I wrote a paper for my English Composition class that included his take on our missteps as well as some of the ideas of Arne Næss, a Norwegian philosopher and Deep Ecology pioneer. Both are brilliant thinkers.

[@alisonaicard]

Look into Dane Rudhyar. You'll be equally awe struck. There's an archive revival site. Khaldea.com that publishes Tons of articles if you want to get a taste.

[@jeffersonpower3356]

Cosmos and psyche by tarnas is a must for anyone who desires revolutionary change. Such a balanced, insightful, passionate thinker. He has changed my thinking and switched me onto astrology after wiping it off as total b.s for 20 years. Thats a huge achievement in itself...

[@aydnofastro-action1788]

Jefferson Power love to see open minds. Astrology is a rich legacy in every “high culture” of human history.

[@Wamagirii]

Jefferson power I can't tell you what my Pentecostal church background and pastors said on how demonic Astrology was...I am so past that and I have chosen to seek out knowledge...will embark on Tarnas book right away...

[@asolis8]

He turned me on to Astrology too

[@niallmackintosh1053]

@@aydnofastro-action1788 eh. ?!? Astrology?? Id need some convincing, on that. ;)

[@aydnofastro-action1788]

Niall Mackintosh. Just tell me what your definition of astrology is and where you got it from, and I’ll do what I can to open your attitude. Tarnas, because of his book that took him 30 years to write, has spoken at more than a few astrology conventions. He is a big deal in the community. As he said above “we need to widen or definition of knowledge....” Jospeh Campbell, whom Tarnas studies with, said three things that all high civilizations displayed are writing, mathematics and “an extreme attention to the cycling of the planetary bodies.”.

[@riccardomontague3832]

This is such a timely piece for the times we currently live in. Three plus years later. So prescient.

[@garrettpayne2972]

So happy to see Richard Tarnas on this channel. His book Cosmos and Psyche is one of the most profoundly impactful books I've ever read. The historical analysis brings so many ideas to life for the reader with many real-world examples of the world soul's (anima mundi) role in our lives. Highly recommended for anyone interested in Jungian psychology, panpsychism, or astrology.

[@nrudy]

One of the best authors and thinkers I've ever read. Thanks for this!

[@jeffersonpower3356]

Epistomoligical humilty...what a beautiful phrase thats so lacking by so many voices right and left.

[@aydnofastro-action1788]

Jefferson Power Exactly!

[@cathymays8746]

Epistemological modesty is what he said.

[@LaurentumEclectic]

I've been calling this kind of synthesis of philosophy 'perspectivism' for about five years (which I found out more recently was a concept and phrase associated with Nietzsche). It's basically combining perspectives to see and illustrate a bigger picture. The way I see it, the greatest possible tool would be a tool that could serve the role of any tool; the greatest possible animal would be an animal that can take the form of any animal; the greatest possible philosopher would be one that could take the form of any philosopher. I've also been heralding the new philosophical golden age for about five years, whilst predicting the resurrection of the public intellectual. Good to see other folks catching on.

[@cos2mer2]

Tarnas absolutely nailed the masculine/feminine dichotomy. Way better than Peterson's patriarchal assessment!

[@janetjacks3406]

So pleased to see this interview with Richard Tarnas, whose had a profound & enriching influence on my life. I would be also be thrilled to see an interview with Stanislav Grof if he comes on one day too. Giants in the human potential movement.

[@jsepulvedas]

Thanks Rebel Wisdom, what you are doing is very important

[@12th-House]

Richard Tarnas is on my list of integral thinkers. I think both his books should be mandatory educational practice.

[@jeffersonpower3356]

Ive thought for a long while how great it will be when jordan peterson integrates tarnas,s perspective and alongside that the work of james hillman and stan grofs, wisdom and insight as tarnas really carries the jungian project further.. Cosmos and psyche is really the future in my view.

[@aydnofastro-action1788]

Jefferson Power Oh hell yeah!

[@jumpingeezus5080]

Jefferson Power How is the future?

[@martingreeman9531]

Great crossover between the ideas of a tension between the enlightenment and the romantic in the human psyche and the ideas of mcgilchrist. Something quite powerful afoot.

[@kbeetles]

Martin Greeman - yes, mcgilchrist popped into my mind, as well..... and also charles eisenstein when he talked about the paradox of fighting against anthropomorphising the external world and ending in up doing exactly that, in a different way.

[@drewjames1778]

This was a timely message for a soul on a journey. Thank you for holding this interview! Any idea as to why it was cut short at the end?

[@ChrisThomson1001]

Rick is a star....always worth reading and listening to

[@mfontis44]

Oh, it's Rick, is it?

[@Spurs420]

A great talk - thanks so much - Tarnas is now on my TBR list - some show notes would be nice - books mentioned, etc.

[@misterparadise9542]

Why is it that Tarnas’s second book, *Cosmos and Psyche,* is not mentioned in the brief bio here, nor does it come up in the discussion? Has Tarnas himself distanced himself from that book (that’s the impression I get from its seeming to have been erased even from his speech). Just asking in hopes that someone knows, because while I wasn’t sure that I believed his claim about the archetypal correspondence of the planets to human affairs, it was the book that introduced me to his breadth of knowledge and capacity to synthesize that I found dazzling and stimulating to the imagination, whatever its truth.

[@rumination2399]

Ha. Tarnas' intellectual history of the West really impressed me at uni too.

[@chiaradina]

Condensed Gold Nugget of perennial wisdom: „I was always trying to hold that tension of opposites as Jung would say. The importance of holding multiple values that can be in tension with each other and if you can not prematurely fall into one or the other (...) , if you can hold faithfully that tension, then there seems to be something in the natural unfolding of the human psyche and of life that moves towards a creative synthesis of what is loyally held as opposites in tension. (....) Intellectural, Cross lingual , Cross cultural and Cross Traditional synthesis (perennial wisdom): the idea of not falling into the illusion that one particular interpretation of reality is reality itself but being constantly open to the fact that we are always speaking symbolically, metaphorically about a mystery and so we have to keep a kind of humility, a kind of epistemologically modesty as we approach the mystery of things. Our need to hold a plurality of perspectives and not to fall into one single, literal understanding.” Heartfelt thank you for putting into form what I am studying for decades and live and learn more about every breath. I adore your channel and the interviews you conduct. Profoundly nourishing. Namasté 🙏🏼❤️

[@manaloola2018]

Would love to hear Jordan Peterson’s response to Tarnas’s critiques

[@marcusTanthony]

This is great! KZbin fed this to me for some reason. The robots got it right! Thank you, John and Richard. It really helped me with a writing project I am doing at present. The Passion of the Western Mind featured heavily in my doctoral thesis, and it has been very timely to rediscover Richard here.

[@prissanamorrisan4683]

Thank you 😊 very deep subject, dig deep in to your mind ( but lightly touch )🌸🙏🌸

[@chrisgadsby5700]

Sorry I'm not ready for this. I paused after 8:39 because he'd said spirituality several times, without defining what HE means by the term. It is such an important word, with elastic meaning (and I don't have a fixed opinion how it should be defined, because of its very nature). During the pause I checked his Wikipedia entry and see his Cosmos and Pysche book puts forward some kind of theory linked to Astrology. I've enjoyed very many RW videos including Daniel S and IDW. This is the first time to post a negative comment, so I am aware not to ignore what is behind that for me personally. Comfort zone and all that

[@ju1cebg]

Amazing video! Another great interview!

[@mattspintosmith5285]

we are the cosmos in human form - yes. Tarnas contrasting the benefits of the Enlightenement and Romanticism reminded me of the experience of reading Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Robert Pirsig - which Peterson sometimes mentions.

[@marekmathews5066]

48:12 - Skip to this part for the Richard's reply to a question about Jung. Carl Gustav Jung was a Swiss psychiatrist and psychoanalyst who founded analytical psychology. Jung's work was influential in the fields of psychiatry, anthropology, archaeology, literature, philosophy, and religious studies.

[@ingibjorgmagnadottir5620]

Thank you! In Icelandic the Moon ís masculine and the Sun feminine.

[@marianam8643]

Excellent interview

[@Scullkrusher13]

We are at the beginning of the next level of consciousness. People like Jordan Peterson have opened the doors of perception and turned on the lights ,so to speak . Showing everyone that is safe to walk through. The advent of social media has expanded their ability to show people the way forward. Fear has kept many people from moving into this higher level for good reason. The saying ignorance is bliss is very true. Society as a whole has existed in this kind of fearfull state far to long. The need for a balanced masculine and feminine is paramount as we strive for a higher consciousness together. Simply put, we're evolving as a species.

[@kyleganse4978]

Heck yes! It’s super awesome!

[@aydnofastro-action1788]

Willis Sears ok let’s not get too hyperbolic about Peterson. Many of us have been walking through those doors for many years. There are many key thinkers to many doors. Welcome.

[@Scullkrusher13]

@@aydnofastro-action1788 yep, I said people like Peterson along with the new social media have helped open the doors , but I should of said to the past and present. People are turning to these other key thinkers by way of people like Peterson. Peterson is just a guide , mentor. It's the technology that has helped bring people together to share knowledge and ideas.

[@aydnofastro-action1788]

Willis Sears I agree especially the podcast world. Gives us hope for the future.

[@Scullkrusher13]

@@aydnofastro-action1788 yep , deeply enriching are some of these podcasts. You just don't get that with like cable television. Twitter and Facebook not so much either but to each his own. I feel lucky to be alive right now though because like you said, there's hope.

[@MonaMarMag]

People are spiritual being . Something that some of us seem to forget .

[@martingreeman9531]

Also a great argument against anthropocentrism and dogmatic epistemology and the need to perceive nature as the original mystery. Beautiful notions of lunar and solar masculinity and femininity. Such a dense interview with so much ground covered. Superb. However can we really see a maturation of the postmodern from say psychogeography to acceptance of the individual psyche into the collective? Its so uncertain at this time

[@mattspintosmith5285]

Tarnas' invocation of the Enlightenment and Romanticism is very redolent of Robert Pirsig.

[@margaret539]

Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance!

[@IpsissimusPrime]

The Passion of the Western Mind is actually the best core curriculum text ever written. Cosmos & Psyche was groundbreaking but wasn’t as well received initially due to its emphasis on Astrology, but is the foundational text for Archetypal Astrology looking at outer planet cycles affecting civilization. A Master Thinker. Much more substantial than Peterson who, it has become apparent now, unfortunately sees everything thru his right wing populist politics and has come out supporting Israel’s genocide of Palestinians after some rather lame attempts to begin a conversation with the Muslim community. Recently Tarnas has retired from CIIS and plans a sequel to Passion and a collection of all his archetypal astrology essays.

[@patriciacorahharter5447]

Lunar \solar masculine/ feminine brilliant!!!!!!!

[@pseudonamed]

I feel like it might be best to just scrap "feminine" and "masculine" (in the sort of context mentioned) and instead just use "lunar" and "solar" alone. Might lead to less miscommunication as the former words are very loaded and often conjure very different things to different people, not to mention how different cultures might associate different things with them.

[@myacamden2911]

Loved this ✨💞😍

[@antonyliberopoulos933]

Thank you.

[@marshacd]

Believe less, Think more!

[@kbeetles]

marshacd - and cultivate silence even more!

[@Wamagirii]

True true

[@justahumanbeing.709]

think less, believe more!

[@neptunstraumfahrt9341]

Don't believe everything that you think.

[@jennysteves7226]

Interview Rick Tarnas again, please .. separate from your references to Jordan Peterson. His new research, book and thoughts in these tumultuous times need to be more widely viewed and shared. Thank you!

[@koadirt4245]

I really appreciate Tarnas' balanced approach to gendered thinking. As a transgender person, I can say for sure that there is much, much more beneath the traditional masculine/feminine binary than most people understand (including Jung). Also, transgender people are not new, most indigenous societies (and many pre-Abrahamic Western societies) had more than two genders. It's time for the West to think more expansively about gender again now that we're recovering from the authoritarian monotheistic religions.

[@Charlie-zp2se]

Do you have a reading list anywhere?

[@Javier-il1xi]

Cosmos and Psyche and Passion of the Western Mind by Richard Tarnas Hyperobjects, Humankind, The Ecological Thought, Dark Ecology, Ecology Without Nature by Timothy Morton Being and Time, The Question About Technology by Martin Heidegger The Ever-present Origin by Jean Gebser Just a couple I've been reading recently.

[@alexanderjenkins7929]

The synthesis has to be apollonian in it's ordering and dionysian in it's outcome. i.e. the systems need to free up individuals for their greatest creative potential and expression, while taking care of the whole. Rationality can be used to free people and reveal the mysterious nature of reality without reducing it to anything esoteric or banal. The outcome of this meta synthesis will need to include all areas of knowledge. The closest thing we have to uniting knowledge right now is mathematics. Math is "scale invariant" and cross disciplinarian. The problem with math is largly how we think about it and define it. You only have to explore a little into idealist and ontological math to see how it might synthesise spirit and matter

[@taucetii3412]

Mathematics is simply one more symbolic system used to understand the nature of reality. Math originates in the human mind , it isn't found in the exterior world.

[@HomeofEverythingMentalHealth]

would love to see Richard Tarnas and Jordan Peterson interview!! Love Richard's amazing look at the 'whole'

[@jimmieoakland3843]

We have to mindful that words can be idols. We use "feminine" and "masculine", and make the words synonymous with "women" and "men." Yet we all have known women who are are not nurturing, for example, and men who are. I think some of the confusion relate to how language evolves, and how it is a lot of times originally based in the physical and concrete. For example, "grasp" is a word we use to describe intellectual understanding, but it etymologically it is linked to the physical act of actually grasping something with your hand. Turning to gender traits, since women physically bring forth children and feed them with their bodies, nurturing them, it is easy to assign to the feminine the generalized trait of "being nurturing." Similarly, men are physically stronger than women. But "strength", as a description of character, is not exclusive to men; there are a lot of weak men out there. As long as we don't assign traits exclusively to one gender or another, we can speak of the feminine and masculine. Otherwise, it is problematic.

[@Omnifarious0]

In my favorite versions of the Ying-yang symbol there is a dot of white at the head of the black and a dot of black at the head of the white.

[@TheJackSparring]

They could not move otherwise.

[@thelaxcoach]

Count me in

[@afifahhamilton8843]

I have a notion that much of our disrupted mind (for want of a better term) is due to the terrible food that we eat. I know that sounds simplistic but there is no doubt that mental malfunction is frequently (at least 25% of the time, according to research) due to antibodies to cereal grains, (which for short one could call coeliac of the brain). There are nutrient deficiencies that cause barrier function to fail, such as the blood brain barrier, and one of these is insufficient ascorbate. Scurvy of the brain. Are any of your speakers, David, aware of this research, other than Jordan Peterson? I haven't heard anyone take this on yet. There are some great 'paleo psychiatrists' such as Kelly Brogan and Emily Deans, and if you would like me to come on and unpack this subject, just say the word. Thanks for all that you put into these interviews!

[@MyPicturesRestoredBedford]

@afifah Interesting idea... Do you have any particular diet or psycho - spiritual health improvement theories? Does a gentle dose of sun on the skin ("vitamin D intake") improve our "cosmic wellbeing" - that warm fuzzy feeling that it is a joy to be human (sorry, "hu-person" 😂) and to be alive in this broken scrap heap of a world? Sorry, I just have this intellectual bee buzzing in my bonnet wondering why any sane person would deny any potential improvement in their own or another's health and who being themselves or a fellow traveler on our terraquial globe, by what they wear, thinking particularly of a certain "face mask" that in my understanding is {self} imposed. Will I be branded as a bigoted, Egomaniac islamo"phobe" for posting this?

[@taucetii3412]

@@MyPicturesRestoredBedford Look into the low carb high fat diet.

[@alisonaicard]

Yay. I pushed it to 1k views. 2 years late to the party apparently. Didn't it sound like they were talking about 2020?

[@Akaeus]

COSMOS AND PSYCHE - READ IT!

[@sarawatts9593]

Akaeus Eonis wonderful book

[@Javier-il1xi]

Currently on it. It's mindblowing

[@HolyWisdom93]

Thanks!

[@aydnofastro-action1788]

Akaeus Eonis I nearly got through all of it. Oh the stupid comments will flood in for RT interviews... god help us.

[@margaret539]

@Lucas Davenport Somewhat, but read it for yourself. It's uncanny.

[@rooboatdeer22yu51]

Oooof after seeing that book poetry Jordan Peterson made and some interviews, I hope he's learning a thing or too right now

[@jewelsbypodcasterganesh]

Not a fan of this solar/lunar masculine/feminine idea. He says we need more nuanced language, but all he's doing is restating what the language we already have means if only he had a nuanced understanding of it. Masculine and feminine isn't man and women, masculinity is a mode of being and perception which tends to cultivate more readily in male biology and feminity the same. We use the words "male" and "female" to describe different kinds of plugs, it doesn't mean we think a male plug is a man.

[@chriskenney4377]

Yup!

[@bridge12582]

Well put. I got on KZbin to see the comments after hearing that part of the intervies. You basically articulated my intuitions on it. Great interview, love Tarnas, but that part made me feel like he's been influenced the narratives of his peers without deeply questioning into their assumptions, or something lol. I always wonder what Jung would say, I imagine he would feel like he's been misunderstood like is so common with his work.

[@jewelsbypodcasterganesh]

@@bridge12582 WWJS (What would Jung say?)

[@jewelsbypodcasterganesh]

WWJS backwords is SJW :o

[@bridge12582]

@@jewelsbypodcasterganesh illuminati

[@MyPicturesRestoredBedford]

WOW 😲 This has to be (for me at least!) one of the deepest spiritual / philosophical / moral minds on Earth. Move over JBP 🤣

[@antkcuck]

you would elevate someone just to drop them? why over value tarnas just to devalue him later?

[@dragonlady2264]

HUMAN VALUES “We are faced with a breakdown of general social order and human values that threatens stability throughout the world. Existing knowledge cannot meet this challenge. Something much deeper is needed, a completely new approach. I am suggesting that the very means by which we try to solve our problems is the problem. The source of our problems is within the structure of thought itself. This may seem strange because our culture prides itself on thought being its highest achievement.” ~ David Bohm (1981) www.dropbox.com/s/cqrk29dfjbk59je/BohmIK.PDF.pdf?dl=0

[@Omnifarious0]

I think one of the reasons that the anthropic principle makes scientists so uncomfortable is that it feels like a return to a pre-copernican worldview. An anthropocentric one.

[@Shuniverse]

Prof. Tarnas appearance to me has some similarities with Krishnamurti...

[@johnglenn2539]

Good grief, what would tarnas say about the world of August 2020??

[@aydnofastro-action1788]

“You have to have a conviction to uncertainly to have such a transformation to be successful...” ”. This sound just like what I heard form Zizek’s take on Hegel. “What is necessary is only seen retroactively”. See Intellectual Deep Web Channel. .

[@vancebiondo5930]

Talk without . Point . No begining or I MISSED THE BEGINING . But always tracing in speach . With words with no destination or start to topic . I'm confused

[@jacobstoeltzing7067]

He kinda looks like Jordon Peterson from the future.

[@Amfortas]

Read Spengler to see how this all ends.

[@Owen-km5bt]

we must become the water bearers

[@masterdoubleyou]

Follow him into the house he entereth.

[@colingeorgejenkins2885]

Gesus is the wave within the won that recorded the garden! She took me by the hand I ahd been cleaning for a spell when she showed the snake I didn't react to ityet

[@imogen.magenta]

I love this. A conversation between Richard Tarnas and Jordan Peterson with Camille Paglia thrown in - how good would that be??

[@aydnofastro-action1788]

Magenta A ...holy crap! Except CP would not let anyone get a word in.

[@imogen.magenta]

Aden Wallace actually I pity Richard Tarnas in that mix 😆

[@aydnofastro-action1788]

Magenta A not me. In the end I think he is the most meta thinker with the widest scholarship. Speak softly and carry a big stick.but I get ya.

[@chiaradina]

Another vote from me for this combo! Please! ❤️👩🏼‍🦳

[@fndngnvrlnd]

UNCERTAINTY is one of the cornerstones of Indic Wisdom. There is no guarantee of outcome as Krishna says in the Bhagwad Gita. Karma is unfathomable.

[@tobygoessailing]

I'm sceptical about the underlying assumption here i.e. that human consciousness or activity can be 'healed' - especially at some global level. Essentially human beings find something that's useful or works better than before (sharp stones, fire, metal, the scientific method, fossil fuels, computer technology etc. etc.) and then pursue it - primarily driven by short-term, individual/group self-interest. And it seems we've always been like this. We were destroying animal species and natural habitats long before Copernicus came along. (See Harari's 'Sapiens' book). This rapaciousness wasn't a 'modern' development. So I'm unconvinced that human beings were really more in tune with nature before the modern era. It might look like it to us, because there was less dramatic destruction. But maybe that's just because pre-modern humans had less effective tools at their disposal, and there were a lot less of them. If there is an environmental catastrophe - and it looks like there will be - then any survivors will be forced to adapt. And following such a catastrophe, those people will undoubtedly hold very different attitudes (e.g. to science, technology, man's place in the natural world) compared to us. But that won't be a 'healing'. It will merely be an inevitable reaction forced upon them by circumstances.

[@albertbrennaman5605]

Yeah, this romanticism for a pre-modern ethos always bothers me as well, as this whole mythos around the "noble savage" seems inherently flawed in lieu of archaeological and anthropological evidence. However, I still think that his point about the humility of our understanding the world needs to be paramount. Now we can argue to what degree the rise of managerialism, commodification and the assumption of predictability that care contributing to this hubris of 'one world interpretation' are distinctly modern phenomena, or just represent epiphenomena of the late stages of high culture development. Nevertheless, they do seem to represent a distinctive problem that needs to be addressed, the focus on humility is one potential avenue.

[@dredding]

Primitivism is a recurring theme in western history.

[@charliebrownau]

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[@ninstar8165]

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[@patrickjamesstevens1159]

There's an error in the central section: All the 'popular science' material I've read says that the entirety of the *human* world is just as purposeless, meaningless, and unconscious (cf. Daniel Dennett) as the natural world.

[@abbast.3606]

I would recommend investigating the Baha’i Faith and its founder, Baha’u’llah at bahai.org. Here’s a few passages from the Baha’i writings you may find interesting and relevant to this topic; _“The world’s equilibrium hath been upset through the vibrating influence of this Most Great, this New World Order. Mankind’s ordered life hath been revolutionized through the agency of this unique, this wondrous system, the like of which mortal eyes have never witnessed.”_ - Baha’u’llah _“We cannot segregate the human heart from the environment outside us and say that once one of these is reformed everything will be improved. Man is organic with the world. His inner life moulds the environment and is itself deeply affected by it. The one acts upon the other and every abiding change in the life of man is the result of these mutual reactions.”_ - Shoghi Effendi _“The evidences of discord and malice are apparent everywhere, though all were made for harmony and union. The Great Being saith: O well-beloved ones! The tabernacle of unity hath been raised; regard ye not one another as strangers. Ye are the fruits of one tree, and the leaves of one branch.”_ - Baha’u’llah _“The long ages of infancy and childhood, through which the human race had to pass, have receded into the background. Humanity is now experiencing the commotions invariably associated with the most turbulent stage of its evolution, the stage of adolescence, when the impetuosity of youth and its vehemence reach their climax, and must gradually be superseded by the calmness, the wisdom, and the maturity that characterize the stage of manhood.”_ -Shoghi Effendi _“Religion and Science are inter-twined with each other and cannot be separated. These are the two wings with which humanity must fly. One wing is not enough. Every religion which does not concern itself with Science is mere tradition, and that is not the essential. Therefore science, education and civilization are most important necessities for the full religious life."_ -‘Abdu’l-Bahá

[@geostokes8573]

Resurgence of Animism when??

[@aydnofastro-action1788]

Geoffrey Stokes Animism is a choice... I chose it about 30 years ago, when I awakened to the truth of the astrological Chart. Everything is alive with spirit.

[@josephjones5070]

I know this man is a Huxley acolyte. Why don't these guys ever mention the great work that UNESCO does? Afraid that people might see the big picture?

[@charliebrownau]

0:20 please remove ALL MUSIC when ANYONE talks

[@greenwoman2495]

Maybe you should name this channel, "Jordan Petersen is the new God"

[@BubbleOnPlumb]

If the foundation of what I was studying was based on a load of politically motivated talking points then I would not expect to find meaningful answers to anything anytime soon.

[@chrishart763]

Excellent. Could never see what people saw in Peterson, he seemed pretty antiquated to me and glad Tarnas names this shortcomings

[@lorrainericardo8680]

I can hardly wait for the 'inner warning' that God Almighty will send to humanity to show us what we have become and where we are headed if we don't change for the better and return to God and His teachings and follow Jesus, He is the word of God made flesh , and He knows all our weaknesses, and God gives us a chance to repent and return to Him and follow his laws , otherwise we have nothing to live for because mankind is headed for self destruction , and the world with it ,,, we are on the edge of no return ,, and hell,

[@josephjones5070]

Aggressive questioning...... Intelligent people pay attention to the questions that he won't answer... Solshenytzen (sp)??? What about his other book??? Lol.

[@johnglenn2539]

0:29:00 it always gets to this: human-bashing & baseless claims about how awful we are. Climate hysteria & outdated junk science claims about humans killing off the mammoth. Stuck to philosophy, bro

[@TheDionysianFields]

I can't believe he lost the plot after 40 minutes of brilliance. Solar and lunar are just other words for masculine and feminine. No one said that a man can never function in the feminine or a woman in the masculine. But the point is to keep things properly classified. It seems clear that he's choosing to cater to his hard left students and colleagues who wish to muddy the waters toward their own ends. Just sad.

[@matthewgadd7057]

WTF is lunar masculinity?

[@masterdoubleyou]

Blue pills?

[@nugley]

Meh...

[@barbarahvilivitzky311]

Sorry but I have to say this is utter nonsense. "Are we living in an en-souled cosmos?" Well, actually, no. If this is the tone of the rest of the talk it's worse than useless. We have to think, not just imagine.

[@jackdeniston9326]

TL DR, does he say anything useful, or just usual descriptions of the past....

[@liammccann8763]

I enjoyed this however, as a Catholic, immanence is viewed as over-stated in eastern practice and that viewpoint attempts in vain to take root in the west. Interesting it may be, it lacks conviction and becomes a passing trend while being re-packaged in the form of physical exercise. The conveniently placed statue in the background speaks volumes. Christ underlined the dignity of the human person be 'freely' entering into history, in the flesh. Eastern practice offers either no object or many objects; it is essentially anti-theist and suppresses the dignity of the human person. Our limited time on this planet means sooner or later we are called out, either we respond or we do not to the 'Word', the same Word that brought forth Creation and became flesh. Over analysis leads us to paralysis. Ne Timeas.

[@aydnofastro-action1788]

Liam McCann But I wouldn’t call RT an anti-theist. Dig deeper and you’ll find his reverence for all traditions.

[@aydnofastro-action1788]

You would find interesting Neitszche’s comments on Buddhism in The Anti-Christ. Also his take on Jesus and early Church. “The only true Christian died on the Cross.” F. N.

[@liammccann8763]

@@aydnofastro-action1788 Other traditions have elements of the Truth however only one possesses the fullness of the Incarnate Word. This Word came to meet us after a period of gradually revealing His existence across history. Do we challenge folk regarding the existence of hell for example? If they do believe in hell, they need to start acting like it and that includes RT. The Catholic Faith tells us we will be held to account body and soul. Wonder if God will ask us 'did I not leave enough evidence for you?.

[@liammccann8763]

@@aydnofastro-action1788 That quote may as well simply read 'I'm only human'. As Catholics that does not suffice as Christ was 'fully human' as well as fully divine, we imitate Him. We fail of course, but we persist as He forgave us from the Cross and as the content of Revelation shows us His love is unceasing and eternal. As Catholics we actively participate in our salvation within the Body of Christ established 2,000 years ago by Our Creator, Saviour & Redeemer. My life means I come into contact with other denominations and beliefs and despite the fact they have much to offer, they only extend so far. I am not out to convert folk but if challenged I will attempt to respond in the manner that Christ Our Lord did.