What a Dreamworks Movie Did Better Than Disney

[@matityaloran9157]

12:58, if we’re comparing Madagascar to Wreck it Ralph 2 then you’re definitely right. That said, Encanto does a pretty good job having no villains just antagonists. That said, if we compare modern villain-free Disney movies as a whole to Madagascar then Madagascar does a much better job.

[@moviemadness2536]

Exactly my thoughts.

[@bowserbreaker2515]

It's also interesting because Madagascar, a ridiculous, silly comedy did something better than serious Disney movies. Madagascar is not supposed to be taken seriously, yet it pulled off this so well.

[@moviemadness2536]

Exactly. That's what makes all of this even more unbelievable. That a farce has better written characters than certain Disney movies.

[@bowserbreaker2515]

@@moviemadness2536 True. Madagascar has even less plot than Duck Soup. It's an old comedy that is only an hour and eight minutes. It is not serious at all, it's just hysterical. Madagascar is essentially the Duck Soup of animation.

[@taigarouteprotestor]

I do watch Madagascar for the „Plot“ and take it sometimes more seriously

[@jaredfamily123]

Madagascar car is not even a good movie anyway, goofy or not. Just because you have pop cut references does not make you funny.

[@moviemadness2536]

@@bowserbreaker2515 Yeah, I've heard of it. It's considered one of the Marx Brothers best movies.

[@marcosortega3350]

Not that DreamWorks HASN’T had its problems with villains recently but they’re more willing to HAVE villains to begin with.

[@moviemadness2536]

Exactly. It would suit Disney very well to try and put villains into their movies again, because the way they've been doing it just doesn't work.

[@randomaccount8001]

I didn't even think about that when watching Madagascar. I think your definitely right in this case, (with the exception of Encanto, which did pretty good) on Disney struggling with this. Great video!

[@moviemadness2536]

Exactly, because it's well written, you don't even think about the movie's lack of a traditional villain or that the character's sometimes make bad decisions. As for Disney, as I've said in many videos, it would be nice if they just went back to making the classic villains they were known for, because their attempts to do stories without them (or, worse yet, trying to make them sympathetic) haven't really worked out. And thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed the video.

[@LCCWPresents]

Also the logic of the story works marty leaves zoo, friends follow marty, humans react, marty and friends get shipped to kenya, but penguins take over ship, marty and company get dropped off in madigascar, marty and friends ergo have to try to survive in madigascar. Also all characters(primary and secondary) are drivers of the plot in terms of the events of the film rather than just watching from the sidelines (even the one off chimp characters have agency).

[@moviemadness2536]

Brilliantly put. Everything in the plot is completely logical, and everything the characters do effects what happens rather than them only doing what the plot requires them to do. Honestly, some don't give the writing in this film enough credit.

[@williehampton3855]

Never really thought about it but wow. You hit the nail on the head when you were talking about how one movie succeeded where the other failed in terms of not having a central villain. Alex and Marty both had selfish goals but they had understandable motives as to why. I mean, if I was Marty and if I was bored by my constant everyday routine in my seemingly cozy life without experiencing a taste of what the outside world had to offer, I'd take a train trip around the world and back too.

[@moviemadness2536]

Exactly. The characters make poor choices and don't exactly act the best at times, but what helps keep them sympathetic is that they're all completely understandable on their part. It's done so well that most aren't even likely to notice it. And thank you for the compliment, I'm really happy you enjoyed the video.

[@williehampton3855]

@@moviemadness2536 Anytime. And you want to know what the sad part is? I actually thought Ralph Breaks the Internet was a good movie. I thought it was fine on my first watch but after hearing the negative reviews it got and giving it a second rewatch, all of their assumptions were correct. It's one of Disney's worst attempts at a sequel to date. Deep down, I knew there was nothing worth coming back to because all it was just outdated internet references, cringe humor, shameless IP cross promotion and worst of all, character assassination in a painfully embarrassing manner.

[@moviemadness2536]

@@williehampton3855 Couldn't have said it better myself. Especially because I've noticed Ralph Breaks the Internet has that effect on people. They think it's good at first and only come to realize how poorly written it is later on. It's little wonder the movie has such a polarized reputation.

[@williehampton3855]

@@moviemadness2536 Indeed. Disney tried to make it look like a superior version of The Emoji Movie. And while it does have better use of world building for the Internet, it doesn't make it any less dated or cringe than that film. For example, the use of Twitter is no longer relevant because of it's dumb rebrand, making The Emoji Movie and Ralph Breaks the Internet's references look even more dated than ever.

[@moviemadness2536]

@@williehampton3855 Yeah, it just wasn't a good idea. And then they went and screwed up the characters to no end as well...

[@gryffonmanic]

I give Dreamworks credit for committing to the craziest concepts for their movies (regardless of said films' quality). I never really thought of it this way until I saw how Disney's become so deathly allergic to actual villains (and romance, but that's another story)

[@moviemadness2536]

Yeah, they aren't afraid to do some truly bizarre things. And I've been saying that about Disney and their villains for some time now. Villains used to be their bread and butter, to see what they've been reduced to in that department, it's both baffling and frustrating.

[@TheBlueLink3]

I feel like Disney is more hit and miss with this, not always outright bad.

[@moviemadness2536]

That's fair. But when they mess up, they mess it up BAD.

[@jusjetz]

What about a Miss Fire?

[@matityaloran9157]

10:23, kind of like how in later seasons of The Fairly OddParents, Timmy Turner was almost always presented as a selfish character almost regardless of what he did while the tenth season’s deuteragonist Chloe was seldom presented that way even when she behaved in a remarkably similar fashion

[@moviemadness2536]

Yeah, that's called just plain old bad writing. If there's one thing I've always emphasized on this channel, it's that if a writer intends a character to be sympathetic or unsympathetic, then they MUST ACTUALLY BE PRESENTED THAT WAY. Otherwise, it leads to exactly the problems you just described.

[@matityaloran9157]

@@moviemadness2536 The thing is, with The Fairly OddParents, the show has had a formula for the first nine seasons of Timmy making a selfish decision only for it to backfire and force him to learn a lesson (which worked quite well) and because of that it made sense that the show often considered him selfish. The problem with the tenth season is that they tried to have their cake and eat it too since they wanted to contrast the new character Chloe with Timmy by having her be responsible and selfless but they also wanted to have her go through the protagonist style arcs that Timmy went through and the result was a mess. (There were some good episodes even then but there were also a lot of problems that the show hadn’t had before.)

[@moviemadness2536]

@@matityaloran9157 Whatever the reason, it still wasn't good or well thought out writing.

[@matityaloran9157]

@@moviemadness2536 True

[@TheTatermeister]

Madagascar is a classic

[@moviemadness2536]

I'll agree with that. It's pretty hilarious.

[@ShadwSonic]

Well, there is a factor that screws up Disney's attempts... It's not that they don't get the importance of what this video is saying, but rather that they _actually think they've tried this advice._ In other words, the system of values that Disney _as a corporation_ seem to hold these days are a complete mismatch to those that we their _audience_ do. This has lately worsened to the point that even the movies that _do_ have villains fail, because what they think is "good" simply isn't, leading to "heroes" that have absolutely horrible ideas and "villains" whose greatest crime is pointing out said awfulness.

[@moviemadness2536]

I think we can all agree that Disney has some writing problems. As I've dedicated countless videos to expressing my annoyance with.

[@normalhuman9878]

_cough cough_ Wish

[@speedforcespector]

This is the best DreamWorks did a good using a comedic film glad someone remembers DreamWorks typical bread and butter

[@moviemadness2536]

Thanks. I'm happy you enjoyed the video.

[@prata9740]

Fantastic video my guy!!! 👏👏👏👏👏👏 I agree with everything you said. Madagascar is a big part of my childhood, but i never thought about how it was years ahead of Disney in the "no villain" aspect. I really appreciate the movie and characters even more now.

[@moviemadness2536]

Thank you, I'm really glad you enjoyed it. And yeah, not only was Dreamworks ahead of Disney, they had already long perfected it too.

[@matityaloran9157]

2:47, I consider them to be less villains than antagonists

[@moviemadness2536]

Fair enough.

[@Neevkl_7]

Yeah more like a force of nature

[@matityaloran9157]

@@Neevkl_7 Well-put

[@Jonathanest90s]

Phony animation fans: “duuuhhh dreamworks is better than disney.” Real fans: I love both equally

[@bowserbreaker2515]

Eh, I prefer Dreamworks. But Disney has still made many great movies.

[@moviemadness2536]

I'd say that's the best way to look at it. Both have their flaws and good points, but ultimately they're given us some great movies.

[@jcf_plus]

Me: Once again, DreamWorks is ruined by Trolls!

[@TorosAndMakis53]

Why dose every cartoon reviewer have the same voice?

[@moviemadness2536]

If it means anything, I don't just review cartoons. I talk about a variety of subjects and movies.

[@MrGabeanator]

Like Disney Dreamworks had a reputation by that point of complex villains from general mandible through lord farquad and depending on your POV sprit stallion of the cimarron was the first film to not have a straight up villain but either way you’re right the first Madagascar didn’t need a villain

[@moviemadness2536]

Yeah, not only did it not need a villain, but it managed to perfectly execute it. And as I stressed in the video, that's not always an easy thing to pull off.

[@MrGabeanator]

@@moviemadness2536 true

[@LCCWPresents]

Even with dreamworks being bought by illumination 5 years ago, they are still doing better than modern Disney.

[@moviemadness2536]

Yeah, modern Disney definitely have some problems. I have no shortage of videos on that...

[@Klesner16]

Not only that Pixar does better at having no villains in their movies than Disney like Toy Story , finding nemo and more , just like the twist villain Disney should learn from Pixar how to do their villains right.

[@moviemadness2536]

Yeah, most of Pixar's movies without villains were also great. Not all, but most. Disney could honestly learn quite a bit from Pixar.

[@taigarouteprotestor]

I don’t what anyone says I watch Madagascar for Plot and take more seriously (sometimes I watch it for the Plot,it depends on what circumstances/situation I’m watching it)

[@justin-yx4jc]

& for people who haters of ruby gillman that had a fun villan not to metion she was a kaiju elimental had no villans

[@ProbablySoon-pv6ee]

If elemental had a villian the movie would pretty much be ruined

[@Osy_za_OC]

Great video talking about one of my favorite movies. And BTW, what is your accent? I've never heard anyone pronounce words like that.

[@moviemadness2536]

Thank you, I'm really glad you enjoyed my video so much. As for my accent, I'm not really sure myself. I've been told it sounds like everything from Boston to Nova Scotia, and I've never been to either of those places.

[@theminuteman3460]

Shark Tale

[@WiiFan-1300]

Weren’t the villains the hyenas?

[@moviemadness2536]

Technically yes, but as I explained in the video, the fossa aren't all that threatening when you get right down to it, have no individual personalities, and don't cause the central conflict. They exist just so King Julien will have a reason to want to recruit Alex, as well as allow the movie to have a climax. In essence, the movie does have to function without a real "villain".

[@lrkeribergaard6110]

you right

[@moviemadness2536]

Thank you.

[@lrkeribergaard6110]

@@moviemadness2536 np man...

[@MarkiplierMeatMuncher8]

mad the nascar

[@MaryahTomshort]

cool