What a Second Trump Term Could Mean for America | Making Sense

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[@sagar696]

@samharrisorg I know this is a shorter/free version of the podcast but if you convert these into video podcasts, retention and viewership can increase 10x. Something about seeing the face of the speaker makes us feel more connected and engaged with the content.

[@AB-kq9xm]

I think this is more like a spicy ad for the paid version. If he gave too much away, less people would be drawn to his site.

[@Richard_Stroker]

@@AB-kq9xm Sure, but even the paid version doesn't have video. @sagar696 is saying that video podcasts would be more engaging for viewers, and I agree.

[@matteframe]

he doesn't need more listeners. The paid model is self supporting and never beholden to corporate or ad based pressures. Also, if you can't afford it, they give away free subscriptions. Just email them.

[@geekvinos]

Forget the views. Reading a face and establishing baselines of behavior aids digestion. Is it good? Is it true? Is it beneficial?

[@toby9999]

​@matteframe And then there's a group in the middle like myself; I can afford and was a paying subscriber for a time but not any more. I like some of Sam's work, but not enough of it to justify a subscription.

[@johans7119]

Turns out the checks and balances relied on common decency.

[@stephenglover8828]

Are you not loving the supreme court decision over the Colorado ballot. A win for democracy

[@soliniv1411]

And nobody knew huh

[@nikiyen6]

More importantly it depends on democracy - i.e., not electing people without common decency, etc.

[@stephenglover8828]

@@nikiyen6 so when Biden backs genocide in Gaza that's decency is it. When he indicated his political opponent, that's democracy is it

[@_BobaFett_]

@@stephenglover8828 *The United States is a constitutional republic not a democracy.* Constitutional Republic=Checks&Balances Democracy=Mob Rule

[@rivercrossing5152]

We've seen a Trump term. We've seen a Biden term. Is it really an open question on which one was worse?

[@user-lt1jd1ye3v]

Biden, by far. At least we had an economy and jobs in 2019.

[@deeky1239]

Biden is clealy better indeed.

[@darlenegriffith6186]

I don't like presidents that talk like dictators. There's only one candidate running for the presidency that talks this way and it's Donald J Trump. Anyone that doesn't see this is either willfully blind or brainwashed.

[@TenTonNuke]

​@user-lt1jd1ye3v Wages, jobs, and the market are up. Unemployment is down. In fact, 2023 unemployment rates were lower than any year under Trump. So what exactly is your metric for the economy?

[@Vini-Pizza]

Until the pandemic hit and the orange ass tried to downplay it. He screwed up Covid19 by disregarding the playbook

[@Helge891]

The problem with Trump is that he seems unpredictable and impulsive. I think the president should be an boring, highly educated analytical person.

[@foedeer]

A predictable person is definitely not the right leader for the most powerful country in the world. Find a great leader with your description.

[@Helge891]

@@foedeer You should understand that a leader should not take inpulsive decisions without considering what the consequences of their actions might be.

[@TheSnoopyclone]

that's an advantage, being impulsive and unpredictable. if your opponent can't figure you out, would they screw around with you?! probably not.

[@Vinemaple41]

That's such a stupid take. The US has more allies than enemies and predicability and consistency of policies are crucial to maintain the trust among friends. You know which regime is unpredictable and impulsive? Look at China or Russia

[@jacobcochrane9069]

What if these predictions are wrong? Will these guys admit it?

[@cyberlee]

Did you hear the part where they talked about political violence is already a thing and people are being threatened? Can you at least at the bare minimum admit that? They cannot be wrong because they already are right

[@jacobcochrane9069]

@@cyberlee Yes, of course. I was addressing the predictions specifically, not the general commentary.

[@apokatastasian2831]

kinda like when Sam said his imagining of what covid could have been justified any amount of assault on civil liberties and then refused to walk back...

[@darlenegriffith6186]

Well, these predictions are based upon things that Trump and his cohorts are actually saying. They are based upon the agenda of Project 2025. When people show you who they are, believe them. When they talk like fascists, believe that they will act like fascists and implement fascist policies should they gain power.

[@stevendurrant1724]

More likely than you're likely to accept you carry water for a rapist.

[@sshender3773]

Wrong excerpt. We need the following: SH: What is signified by the phrase, the end of democracy as we know it, as we know it part? What are you actually imagining? JR: Well, I can be very specific. There's lots of elements of that. There's, for example, the use of pardons to immunize people against wrongdoing. But what I mean by that specifically is the open defiance of court orders and the ability to get away with that politically. SH: Do you expect that he would leave after four years? JR: Well, I don't know. SH: You imagine our institutions are so weak that even that could unravel? That there wouldn't be a 2028 election? JR: Yeah, sure. It could unravel. Robert Kagan had a widely read article in The Washington Post saying here's how we could get to Mussolini under Trump. But I don't think we go to Mussolini. I think the model is Victor Orbán in Hungary. And we know that because they're telling us, right? The right is having conferences over there celebrating the Victor Orbán model. So we don't have to guess. So I think the way it happens is this: first thing he does is sign an executive order implementing something he tried to do in his first term, which is schedule federal appointees. And that turns a lot of civil service jobs into jobs that serve at the pleasure of the president. And that allows him to replace 30,000 to 50,000 top civil servants with loyalists. That gets some foot-draggers out of the way. And it means a lot of people are indebted to him for their jobs. Then he goes through the military, and he makes a bunch of appointments to ensure that sympathizers won't do what Mark Milli did. He goes through the Justice Department and does the same thing. So Jeffrey Clark, or the equivalent, is acting attorney general. He doesn't care if they get Senate confirmation, because he'll simply put in acting appointees. He did that in his first term. He told us he liked it. The Senate proved it was toothless to stop that. So he's now suborned most of the government. He's turned the Justice Department, the FBI and so on into organs that can prosecute or persecute at will. People are afraid of them, even if they don't actually get targeted. He's done all that. And then along comes, you know, it's six months, seven, eight months, and along comes a court order that he doesn't agree with. Maybe it involves, I don't know, the border wall, or unappropriation, or maybe the Supreme Court says, look, you've had your temporary appointees in for too long. You have to send them up to the Hill for Senate confirmation or remove them, because that's what the law says. And he says, well, no, I don't feel like it, and tells his appointees to go to work as normal, and tells the civil service in the Justice Department, or wherever the appointee is, just do your job. This guy's in charge. What happens next? Well, if there's a large majority in Congress, they could try to cut off the appropriations for the Justice Department until he straightens this out. Do you think that's going to happen? Very unlikely. You could have thunderous denunciations by Democrats on Capitol Hill, and the members of mainstream media, Joe, Josh, and John, and Sam. Do you think he cares about thunderous denunciations? I think he doesn't. You could have repercussions like people worrying that if they help him in defying court orders, their law licenses, or worse, their actual criminal records, they could, well, that they could lose their licenses to practice law, for example, or in fact go to jail. That will slow him down a bit. There will be resignations, but he'll replace those people, and he will have the pardon. He'll be able to tell people, if you do what I tell you to, you can't be prosecuted under federal law. He's already said he would pardon the so-called hostages. So now we're in a situation where he's telling the Supreme Court, I won't follow this order. Meanwhile, the Republican Party, the, for example, maybe I shouldn't single them out, but the Senator Lindsey Grahams of the world, who are very bright people, are spinning a lot of arguments on, well, why he's really not defying a court order, why he has the right to do what he's doing in this case, why it's constitutionally supported, why the Supreme Court is nine people in robes, who should not be governing this country, why the Unitary Executive Doctrine does not give him that authority, why this was a 6:3 or 5:4 court decision. So it's really just all politicized. You can, you guys can spin this stuff out by the yard, as well as I can. So you'll have this spin machine in the media and in the Republican Party, backing him up and saying, what he's doing is in fact fine, he's defending our democracy and so forth. He'll defy another court order on a different subject. After a while, when it's clear three or four times that he can do this, it begins to be normalized, right? We've seen this pattern again and again. Sam and John and Josh continue to be shocked by this. And we keep saying, how can this be happening in the country we love? But most of the country is realizing that life doesn't change all that much. Gas prices don't go up if the president defies the Supreme Court. And in fact, they don't even know who to believe about whether he is defying the Supreme Court. So after six months or eight months to a year of this, the party that backs down, I think, is the Supreme Court, because it realizes it loses its authority, its legitimacy, if it's issuing orders and no one is following them. So it begins to curtail its behavior in order to accommodate the president. And now we're in Hungary. Now we have a president who has figured out how to game the rule of law in order to subvert checks and balances and the rule of law. So you tell me, what is unrealistic about that scenario and if the chief executive can defy the Supreme Court, does that mean the end of our liberal democracy, our rule of law as we know it?

[@PhenomenalWorld]

YES EXACTLY!!!! That one was MUCH more vivid and potent. Someone should contact his office and tell them to post that.

[@seraeggobutterworth5247]

THANK YOU! You’re amazing for posting that, and you’re so right that it would have been a far more interesting excerpt of their discussion.

[@Calidastas]

The delusion here is astounding. Like these two live on a different planet.

[@jeremytan739]

@@Calidastaswhich part?

[@Calidastas]

@@jeremytan739 that there won’t be a 2028 election. That he’s just going to become some dictator. That Trump has the administrative abilities to replace 30K+ jobs. He couldn’t even build a fence. That he’ll take over the military from within. And on and on. Trump will bloviate against his enemies like the petty loud-mouth he is and then he’ll step out and it will be over.

[@Traveling_Trefs]

Unfortunately, this isn't hyperbole. These people actual think Trump will dismantle democracy when it's the republic that is at stake.

[@mishugrig6832]

Yes …they are that deranged.

[@randomhuman2595]

Correct

[@elyk87]

@@mishugrig6832 How is it deranged when Trump has actually defied the justice system, ect. These guys at least make points, the most you can do is make empty statements.

[@mishugrig6832]

@@elyk87 dude ...your justice system is corrupt and politically driven everybody with eyes and ears noticed this since 2016...even the guru Sam Harris talked about it's erosion ...yet you blame Trump for so called "defying it" ... you can't have it both ways For most people he is standing almost alone against the corrupt machine .

[@peterfazio9306]

2:48 WTF?

[@matteframe]

And McConnell endorses Trump today. Great timing.

[@g.richardson6883]

Talk about party over country…geez. You’d think someone finally leaving the arena in his 80’s would speak his mind about Trump…but he’s probably afraid of Trump sending a violent mob to his house, or having his retirement benefits stripped away if Trump wins.

[@charlesvan13]

Bill Barr has said he is voting for Trump. Joe Biden is so terrible many people are voting for Trump with reservations. Barr even laughed at the Trump post insulting him, and also making joke.

[@matteframe]

Thanks for making my point. Republicans are hypocrites who only care about amassing power and protecting their self interest. They don't care about what the constitution actually means to our society or in the liberal values it's based on. Biden might suck be he doesn't telegraph his disdain for our society or its fundamental values with every statement he makes. Barr claims that Trump would cause 'less damage' than Biden in the next four years.

[@g.richardson6883]

@@charlesvan13 Biden would’ve signed the border bill if Trump hadn’t killed it.

[@anuragsinha2013]

I don't think Sam Harris' meditation app works on him since Trump.

[@THEOneAndOnlyDOCTORofHUMANICS]

Yes, I DO have a theory of mind! Professor-Marty.

[@observerone6727]

The worst thing about a cult is that it denies that it is, because they know cults are bad. Aren't we all just sick of bad people thinking that they are good ?

[@nealkelly9757]

Yes, Democrats especially

[@user-zt6uu5tw9j]

what else is there?@@nealkelly9757

[@jeremyserwer2586]

@@nealkelly9757 well you win, you're the prefect example of a cultist.

[@apokatastasian2831]

I unironically don't know if you are talking about Trump supporters, Biden supporters or Sam supporters....

[@user-zt6uu5tw9j]

Cult is the root word for culture. What a cult lacks is diversity to make it robust in a long-term context.

[@lucasglowacki4683]

Remember when people debated? Now everyone is just commenting from and mingling in their own bubbles🙄

[@everything...interesting]

And either the channel, or google, or someone else, deletes any comment that might actually persuade the other side

[@goodvibes-gy3jn]

And Sam still does but he’s mentioned that on the topic of Trump, he views proponents for the other side as utterly incorrigible. You may disagree with that but in all fairness and honesty you have to accept that that’s the way he looks at it and that’s the reason why he doesn’t talk to pro Trump people. It’s disingenuous to claim he has this attitude in general when Trump is a very specific issue(not saying you necessarily claimed that, just offering clarification).

[@everything...interesting]

@@goodvibes-gy3jn the problem is, on the topic of Trump, it's actually HE who is the one who is incorrigible

[@goodvibes-gy3jn]

@@everything...interesting what’s your evidence of this and what are you’re counter arguments against Sam’s position? If you don’t address exactly why he’s wrong he can seem incorrigible while he’s simply presenting arguments that haven’t been effectively opposed. The reason many Trump supporters are incorrigible is because they won’t accept obvious and simple points made against Trump while not having an effective counter argument either. I don’t think Sam can be charged with this.

[@everything...interesting]

@@goodvibes-gy3jn every time I write an actual substantive post about it, my comment gets deleted. Whether that's the channel, or google, or someone else, I don't know. But that's what happens. I'm not going to waste my time doing it again. Have already had ~5 such posts deleted. I'm sorry to say, if you can't tell this is how Sam is -- about Trump, about covid, et al -- that's not good evidence for your discernment.

[@trevorowens4262]

Went and paid for subscription - the quality warrants it. Buuuut why can I watch the above intro but can’t access yet on iTunes or SH’s website?

[@Calidastas]

Bruh.

[@WeAreNotAfraidofFire]

Dude. Don't complain about our nonexistent subscription perks; we get early release and you don't. 😬 Edit: free

[@mishugrig6832]

So this is how a CIA talk looks like…cool.

[@PickledShark]

We need to start talking with the other side. It’s imperative that we understand each other

[@_BobaFett_]

*The United States is a constitutional republic not a democracy.* Constitutional Republic=Checks&Balances Democracy=Mob Rule

[@DarthQueefious]

The Right understands the Left. The Left is incapable of understanding anything outside its indoctrination.

[@willchristie2650]

This comment assumes that the other side is rational. It is not.

[@AlTarif]

@@willchristie2650 Both sides say exactly that. That is the problem.

[@rothock]

@@willchristie2650 Correct. It's like trying to speak with the Branch Davidian Cult. The members just have to figure it out for themselves or the movement figuratively burns itself to the ground.

[@gking407]

Who could have guessed democracy and a free society actually requires more thoughtful input and less mindless consumerism? Humanity just isn’t built for the good life apparently.

[@dermotmeuchner2416]

Less consumerism? Are you a Marxist???

[@aaronpannell6401]

​@dermotmeuchner2416 me: American should eat less calories. You: what you want Americans to starve? Way to strawman.

[@24killsequalMOAB]

Consumerism happens less under a more conservative government.

[@user-zt6uu5tw9j]

Plastic in particular.

[@prabhdeepdhahan1147]

Damn.

[@Anuskasv0]

Hilarious stuff!

[@Zehra52100]

The way these people are commenting the moment he posted without even listening to the clip😂😂😂

[@sunnyla2835]

Because we're fa Iliad enough with TDS to assume 😂😂😂😂

[@justinkennedy3004]

The irony of your comment defending sam and co commenting on trump's second term authoritarianism before he's even the official candidate is potent. Alternately I could have commented: "where did we learn it from?"

[@listener523]

Because Sam is completely predictable on this topic. Everyone already knows what he's going to say. It's just fun sometimes to grab a bag of popcorn and watch the train wreck.

[@goodvibes-gy3jn]

@@justinkennedy3004because we have eyes and brains that allow us to consider the likelihood and potential consequences of another Trump presidency? Are you suggesting it’s such a remote possibility it’s not even worth discussing? Discussing semi probable scenarios that have dire consequences has been a recurring theme with Sam. To pretend otherwise means you don’t really know Sam or your judgement is clouded by buzz words like TDS which don’t actually constitute an argument.

[@justinkennedy3004]

@@goodvibes-gy3jn again, the irony runs rampant. I made a very specific critique of OP and you just hallucinated me being a fox news watcher so you can get out the fear-based media talking points. So the irony here is that I pointed out irony and a discussion on that could have been had but instead you jump to points I never knew to complain about things I never said, thereby indicating my eyes and ears are not allowed to point irony and have a discussion about it. You carry your own downfall with you wherever you go, so does sam and co.

[@0MoTheG]

Germany: Been there, done that, didn't end well.

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

My god, everything isn't Germany in the 1930s.

[@0MoTheG]

@@chickenfishhybrid44 H. wasn't a senile known crook. I can't tell if this makes it better or worse.

[@TheGavrael]

He wasn’t elected. The American government moves much too slowly to be upended by Trump or anyone.

[@ianmangham4570]

Hilarious Rollocks 😅

[@zororat]

Can't for the life of me get a free subscription sorted out, ive been listening to half episodes for months

[@jeff5683]

What a time to be alive.

[@thunkjunk]

The 80's were pretty good.

[@user-dg7df3sv7r]

Sam Harris for President!!!

[@bastianbarx1509]

Vote Harris

[@haroldcheeseburger]

Vote Sam.

[@dmanson4649]

If you want a Fascist state, sure.

[@TR-hj5mr]

Sams Harris is a lair They’re talking about exactly what Biden is doing now

[@Antuan_the_Swan]

Oh god, here we go, again 😫

[@joseph1845]

People who hate Trump are actually hating their own shadow.

[@arthurmorgan332]

...Oh god, here we go, again. Pls don't criticize daddy Trump. It's hurts my fefe

[@charlesvan13]

@@arthurmorgan332 "As a person, I find Trump more objectionable than Osama bin Laden." "What made Hitler more dangerous than Trump, were actually virtues." --Sam Harris on a podcast.

[@skyotter3317]

Excellent and true

[@tonyburton419]

A nightmare scenario.

[@zeroz88]

Sam Harris, thank you for being a voice of reason in today's tumultuous political climate.

[@AhmedElmanzalawi]

One of the best feelings will be seeing Sam Harris's response after Trump's inauguration. Things to look forward in 2025.

[@J-YouTube324]

Hahaha! That will be glorious! I can't wait!

[@charlesvan13]

He will wear a yellow gortex jacket, and will play the role of the lesbian screaming at the sky. "NNNNNNooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!"

[@MrLozengerZ]

Cope

[@AhmedElmanzalawi]

@@MrLozengerZ Let's return to this comment on the 6th of January 2025 =D

[@martinwyke]

This would negatively impact the entire free world.

[@altratronic]

Sam! Congrats on 666K subscribers! ; )

[@ticnatz]

Cults are antithetical to human development.....to human progress. Don't be weak minded....

[@darlenegriffith6186]

As a former cult member, I approve this comment.

[@EnglishAbundance]

There used to be military coups when faced with this sort of threat in Turkiye. The military would remove the threat and return power to civilians in a year or so. This possibility existed in the late 2000s when the government started making moves that did not bode well for Turkiye's secular, liberal democracy. In the end, the coup didn't happen, and many, including those in the Western world, breathed a sigh of relief. By the way, the person running the country at the time is still the leader now. The country's freedom index ranking has seen the biggest crash in decades, and more journalists are imprisoned in Turkiye than are detained in China. But democracy won, right? I swear, the exact sort of people who get all uppity at the prospect of Trump being removed from the ballot. Or, as I like to call them, TLDR-type Westerners, skimmed-milk Westerners, OMG, Girlfriend-Westerners. They wouldn't know democracy or freedom if it slapped them in the face.

[@telestaitao327]

My oh my do you sound vaccinated.!!

[@EnglishAbundance]

@@telestaitao327 i vaccinated your mum :)

[@telestaitao327]

@@EnglishAbundance ...and you are typically, gleefully, violent... glad you are not hiding it...

[@telestaitao327]

@@EnglishAbundance ...and of course vampy mean and nasty in nature when the light shines in for a reckoning...

[@Guy-Lewis]

"In the end, the coup didn't happen" Because, I suspect, it was staged in order to "legitimize" the Presidential-power-protecting purges that followed.

[@johnwatts8346]

'least partisan' yeah right mate.

[@LisaSimpsonLiberal]

lol

[@christianburgos2736]

My favorite TDS morning show... keep it up guys!!! Latinos por Trump 🎺

[@godisbollocks]

Ah, "Trump derangement syndrome." The mother of all shameless ad hominem.

[@hartkopz86]

Awww you’re going to cry hard when your cult leader loses again.

[@_BobaFett_]

*The United States is a constitutional republic not a democracy.* Constitutional Republic=Checks&Balances Democracy=Mob Rule

[@justinkennedy3004]

​@@hartkopz86 you have a confidence that sam lacks. Almost like you're coping or something...

[@Druffmaul]

Latinos por Trump Queers for Palestine Chickens for KFC

[@baigandinel7956]

So much of this just comes down to border enforcement. When people feel they can no longer effect change within the normal spectrum at the ballot box, they may ever more insistently vote for candidates who promise to actually enact their reasonable policies.

[@colBe-ex9re]

People get to deny their hurts and get to feel powerful and validated. You just keep looking for someone else to blame, who doesn't conform and pounce. It is a vicious, ultimately self-destructive, cycle. But what a trip!

[@LMarkWeeks]

“So much of the public is willing to follow where this guy wants to go.” Is that not democracy if the voters elect him president?

[@jmcd9828]

Yes! But democracy requires an informed voter. The amount of misinformation is undermining the process. And yes this misinformation in politics has always existed but Trump has pushed it to another level altogether

[@LMarkWeeks]

@@jmcd9828And therefore?

[@shaymayo6]

exactly what already happened in israel with netanyahu.

[@barbaraissahary1327]

Yes - exactly the same

[@Fomites]

How has Netanyahu subverted democracy?

[@valleyshrew]

The judicial reform that Netanyahu cancelled, simply made Israel more like every other western democracy. That the unelected Israeli supreme court, which has a built in permanent leftist majority, gave itself power to permanently block legally passed bills, without any justification, is unprecedented in a democracy.

[@ultimatist]

@@Fomites don't be lazy and DYOR. Start with his reform on the Israeli Justice Dept.

[@antoncarmoducchi6057]

nothing to do with antisemitism huh?

[@Jin420]

Anyone who knew about drumpf -- we knew this might happen. I've had an odd fascination for drumpf since the 80's/90's... until he ran for office. He wasn't fit to run a casino much less an entire country. 💯

[@troy3456789]

t could mean more freedom, fewer onerous DEI regulations and policies, lower corporate taxes that force manufacturing to Mexico and other countries. Freedom is scary isn't it?

[@specialagentorange4329]

He's a billionaire. How much are you worth?

[@DoseofTruth]

​Troy hasnt a clue. Just stop.. these types regurgitate billionare oligarchic rhetoric ​@@specialagentorange4329

[@AnglandAlamehnaSwedish]

🤡

[@dermotmeuchner2416]

@@troy3456789more tax’s for 😅unless you’re a millionaire, billionaire. Are ya?

[@Malt454]

Most Americans won't vote to live in the world of the 1950's because that world made them second-class citizens; that's why Trump and his followers have no interest in democracy.

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

Another non-American bumping em?

[@Malt454]

@@chickenfishhybrid44 - Another non-American boosting em?

[@rvgr12]

What a one-sided waste of time. I hear no challenges, contrasts, alternatives or solutions. Activism

[@DarthQueefious]

Does Rauch have the lottery numbers?

[@OQIF87NREU]

The idea that congresspeople would be so intimidated by anything MAGA that they change any position they take gives me secondhand embarrassment. Whether the fear is legitimate or not, find a new line of work. Useless.

[@bbates4496]

The word for them is cowards, especially considering the oath they swore.

[@deeky1239]

Yep, fascist enablers. We all know where this goes.

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

What do you mean? I assume it all comes down to wanting to stay in office. Just like every politician.

[@liamriley9816]

So… just more fear-mongering then…😂

[@davidwatson2399]

No

[@mendelovitch]

RIP.

[@hartkopz86]

Only 8 minutes… really…

[@Lupine.]

You have to pay a subscription and use his app to get full conversations. Which confuses me in regard to, "Is he a grifter or not?"

[@plaidpanda]

​@@Lupine. You're confused about the meaning of "grifter."

[@Lupine.]

​@@plaidpandaNo, I understand what a grifter is... I'm not claiming he is, but some people use what I explained as "proof".

[@plaidpanda]

@@Lupine. Now you're confused about what "proof" means. Edit: Please explain how charging for a podcast is a "grift."

[@stephenglover8828]

Are you not loving the supreme court decision over the Colorado ballot. A win for democracy

[@konstantinosantoniou7486]

It's like a dooms day cult. The end of the world, democracy, sanity, society etc gets a new date on the near future once the last date expires (2016, 2024, ...) . I love Sam but his inability to see this is disheartening

[@kadourimdou43]

Would it be possible to have a cheaper level of memberships on YT, for those of us who are paid subscribers of the Podcast?

[@abe1996]

Who on planet Earth world ever pay for this? 😂

[@Deifiable]

@@abe1996”planet earth world”

[@3vil3lvis]

"Eating my words syllable by syllable " - Sam Harris

[@telestaitao327]

If you would like to be Making Sense of genuine pathological lunacy tune into Sam & Co for a generous demonstration of the madness and try to make sense of it...

[@antoncarmoducchi6057]

want to try again?

[@telestaitao327]

@@antoncarmoducchi6057 yes... thanks, sorted

[@deeky1239]

The lunacy is you pretending this is lunacy. The actual Trump derangement symdrome is what youre doing right now.

[@telestaitao327]

@@deeky1239 I never mentioned Trump..!!! Are you ok? ...you sound vaccinated.!?

[@mattturner5429]

​@@antoncarmoducchi6057Why should he? He got it right the first time.

[@justinlogie5481]

This conversation is a fine example of a discussion within a partisan bubble, notice it's all fearmongering about what Trump might do, particularly with regards to the courts, yet the Supreme Court decision on Colorado taking him off the ballot shows the weaponization of those courts.

[@randomhuman2595]

Trump said Presidents should be immune from the law which is really dumb

[@berrylict]

Oh Boy. Sam still hasn't shaken off the TDS.

[@andrewiwm9980]

It’s just easier to be selfish than to be democratic… democracy is just exhausting

[@hob976]

The nice thing is, if he's elected and he serves four years and leaves, all these "end of Democracy" conversations between 'careful prudent thinkers' like these two, will be digitally memorialized forever. In five years, this conversation might sound like it was calmly spoken derangement. OR maybe Trump will become a dictator and we'll live in The Handmaid's Tale. Let's bookmark this and check back in later...

[@teagame1011]

His legendary takes of pure intellectual genius from 2016 Trump and 2020's pandemic are already immortalized in history. Lets see if we can go 0 for 3!

[@everything...interesting]

It doesn't matter. It's not like he, or anyone on his side, will actually take a sober, objective view of the facts, after the fact. They'll just move on to the next thing, and do it all over again. They're completely incapable of learning or factual self-assessment.

[@mountainair]

Jan 6th was an abomination and wouldn't have happened if Trump didn't lie about the election being stolen. Being concerned about what he might do in a second term is rational in light of these facts alone. I appreciated his pushing the Abraham accords through, and a few other victories during his presidency, but his dismantling of the EPA/giving a green light to big polluters was a terrible move, and his business ties with Russia should be a concern to anyone who knows who Russia is on the world stage.

[@lamneth1]

​@@everything...interestinga sober objective view of the facts? You mean like the Republican side? Lol, your head is so far up the orange man's ass you can't see the sunshine.

[@lamneth1]

​@@teagame1011ok there teabagger... I would love to see a debate between you and him so we could see *your* amazing intellectual prowess....fucking 🤡

[@Albertk96]

It's just baffling that so many Americans are happy handing the country back to someone so unfit for the job. Disregarding the fact that the economy and job growth are actually better now than under Trump.

[@Fullyautomagic]

No you’re living in an echo chamber

[@IntelligentProbe]

It's like that just can't listen to Trump speak and realize he's not just way past his prime, he probably never had one to begin with at least not one in which he would've ever been fit to be president. However when I get to thinking about unfit most people are to even vote... it help explain a lot.

[@abe1996]

You have got to be joking 😄 🤣

[@IntelligentProbe]

@@abe1996 The facts show that he is right. Just becasue you like Trump doesan't mean he was a good president. He wasn't. And won't be. Where is that spectacular health care he promised? Where is the secure borders he promised? Where is anything he promised?

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

I think you underestimate just how unfit Biden himself is. Or at least how many perceive him as such. For different reasons than Trump of course.

[@PoetlaureateNFDL]

Voice of reason 😊

[@hellonwheels976]

666k subscribers love it lol

[@KainedbutAble123]

Reminder that Sam proudly admitted he was happy to circumvent democracy if it meant helping keep Trump out of power.

[@deeky1239]

And hes right. Democracies have to protect themselves from fascists who would destroy them. Welcome to the reality of the world.

[@TenTonNuke]

Should a man who attempted to overthrow an election be afforded the right to democracy?

[@timl6608]

And that is where the Matrix implodes.. 😵

[@knowcoiner5599]

It means you REEEEEing for the next 4 years while being wront about everything

[@geoffmorgan9025]

America could be a pretty great country why can't they ever get a great president

[@Exjewatlarge]

Well…that’s terrifying.

[@ownthelibs]

Yeah would hate to see a president ignoring court orders. Btw have u met Joe Biden

[@yogesh193001]

Sam needs to bring back Douglas Murray... Who wants that?

[@poxpower]

TLDR: Tyranny is okay as long as it's my side.

[@Lupine.]

Last

[@huguettebourgeois6366]

As we know it right now has to be changed anyway.

[@OBGynKenobi]

It's like that movie Crash where people got sexual pleasure from crashing cars. And they're just letting it happen.

[@EzraB123]

I like Sam Harris, and I don't particularly like Trump, but I'd vote for him over Biden.

[@pauljacobson2207]

please rethink your decision

[@EzraB123]

@pauljacobson2207 I have. I voted for Biden in 2020. Not making that same mistake.

[@collectiveobsession]

Ii have no love for Ttrump, but I fail to see the difference between him and the radical Left

[@hi_tekk1210]

Hey Sam, I don't think you have enough Jewish guests. I know you're close, but we need to get it up to 100%. Please and thanks.

[@Czechuser]

another round of hysteria in the making

[@AlexKimTO]

Have you read project 2025? The concern is warranted.

[@dayman8187]

@@AlexKimTOspare me

[@GiacomodellaSvezia]

It's baffling how so many people, who work in the military, support the former guy, who openly expressed his contempt for all who feel an obligation to serve their country.

[@85Funkadelic]

You cant know that that's a true statement. Everything is so polluted by bots and trolls that its not possible to get a good temp on what public opinion really is.

[@haroldcheeseburger]

Draft Dodged. Vietnam Veterans❤

[@TacticalStrudel]

Fake news

[@kipling1957]

Nonsense - if not, link the source.

[@GiacomodellaSvezia]

@@kipling1957No, do your homework.

[@g.richardson6883]

Regarding Trump’s embrace of violence as a political means, read the Colorado District Court opinion (the one that ultimately led to SCOTUS’s recent rejection of Colorado’s removal of Trump from the ballot). Chilling.

[@deeky1239]

The one where they pretended the decision was totally unanimous and ommitted to present the judges dissentinf opinion for political reasons. An activist court has no legitimacy.

[@michaelmontana251]

TDS at 11

[@Jake-Day]

This podcast becomes more like The View with every episode.

[@DisposableSupervillainHenchman]

You’ve been consuming too much of Trump’s semen. It’s put holes in your brain.

[@Jake-Day]

@@DisposableSupervillainHenchman don’t follow Trump at all and I voted for Biden. 🤷

[@anuragsinha2013]

There is a asteroid about to hit the earth. Has Political commentator, neuroscientist, Podcaster and lifestyle guru Sam Harris been invited in the meeting to discuss his opinions on how to stop the asteroid from colliding with the earth and save the planet.

[@pm71241]

It's kinda weird to hear a climate science denier claim he's the least partisan person.

[@troy3456789]

It could mean more freedom, fewer onerous DEI regulations and policies, lower corporate taxes that force manufacturing to Mexico and other countries. Freedom is scary isn't it?

[@sciencecompliance235]

Erosion of democracy is very scary. If you don't think so, you are a failed student of history.

[@lucaslovesyouiii]

I didn’t understand how dangerous Trump was until I watched this: ordinary men. Reserve battalion 101

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

Sure nutter

[@joesoap8125]

We r in this situation cause the Dems out down Bernie. Stil still still not understanding what the voters want - empowerment.

[@davidwatson2399]

Fix your voting system.

[@christopherchilton-smith6482]

Yes.

[@daftwod]

Hopefully the blacks are calmer this time around

[@taylorlibby7642]

It's mostly the liberal wbites who are/have been losing their minds.

[@JonathanLoganPDX]

"The Blacks"? Seriously?

[@taylorlibby7642]

Seems like it's mostly been "the whites" being upset.

[@Skibbityboo0580]

They are deadly serious.

[@_BobaFett_]

*The United States is a constitutional republic not a democracy.* Constitutional Republic=Checks&Balances Democracy=Mob Rule

[@g3ek1337]

TDS at maximum 😂😂😂😂

[@willchristie2650]

Anyone who uses the TDS term is a MAGA cultist.

[@deeky1239]

Trunp will lose and I cant wait to see what you losers will do.

[@mlky60]

I'm glad someones saying what I'm thinking

[@parsafakhar]

we DO need to let strong people do things that are necessary

[@gamerthug5oh]

Hearing someone who I really respect and regard as being intelligent and thoughtful express this opinion so seriously blows my mind. I love you Sam, but for the life of me, I just don't see it.

[@tomtom6319]

SAM IS THE CLASSIC FACE OF T D S

[@Skibbityboo0580]

Not really. He is correct, but what he doesnt get is that americans WANT to end liberal democracy.

[@_BobaFett_]

*The United States is a constitutional republic not a democracy.* Constitutional Republic=Checks&Balances Democracy=Mob Rule

[@Brian-os9qj]

TDS is a coin with two sides, that is the problem

[@Brian-os9qj]

And, whose face is the other side? Could it be blind followers of a ‘strongman’ cult!?

[@willchristie2650]

Anyone who uses the TDS term is a MAGA cultist.

[@SlippinJimmy4Life]

Sam started to lose the plot right around the time he tried to change his intro music. Eventually he changed it back. Maybe that’s a sign of hope.

[@DCGreenZone]

Lol, you people are afraid of a stuttering fossil that the military will deal with in the appropriate fashion. 😂

[@philhudson3619]

Sam this is unhinged nonsense

[@socialmoravec]

Sam Harris: "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!"

[@_BobaFett_]

*Cries like a traditional Classic LibTard*

[@mrmeecah]

666k subscribers is maddeningly humorous

[@danielivgi4686]

He is just telling us his opinion as it is the truth. It should be more fact based and deep dive into the answers.

[@davidwatson2399]

Who.?

[@freespeachforall00011]

What betrays Sam's ignorance is his blatant bias, contrary to logic

[@TenTonNuke]

In what way?

[@everything...interesting]

"What A Second Trump Term *Could* Mean For America *Through The Hypothetical Lens of Someone With Trump Derangement Syndrome*" - fyp

[@ianma808]

Pointing out statements of fact about Trump doesn't make someone deranged. Ignoring those facts for the sake of willful ignorance does.

[@everything...interesting]

@@ianma808 here's a statement of fact: all these legal cases against Trump are 100% political. That's the country we live in now. Democracy is already dead. The Democrats killed it. They are CONSTANTLY using the state (DOJ, FBI, etc) to attack their political enemies. You support that. Sam supports that. Which makes people like YOU the enemies of democracy.

[@everything...interesting]

@@ianma808 see, even my response to you was censored. THAT is what killed democracy. Not Trump. But the Leftists in Big Tech. And the Democrats who they're in bed with.

[@everything...interesting]

@@ianma808 censored again. That's twice. Nothing I said was anything but factual. No cursing. No obscenities. Just straight facts. That's the "democracy" you live in. One where the Leftists in Big Tech censor anything that proves you're wrong.

[@trstenik100]

@@ianma808 you people don't do facts, you do feelings and based on feelings you concoct "your reality"

[@observerone6727]

What percentage of the country just does knee-jerk denial because they don't want to hear what they don't want to hear ? We sure could benefit from having more honest mature citizens.

[@TomandAmyinthePI]

It's amazing how people that are otherwise intelligent individuals can be so lacking in information pertaining to Trump, Political history and Government in general....especially in the USA and at this point in our history there is no excuse for this insanity

[@phelixtaylor4973]

Your info is MSNBC talking points from people who's sole concern is how to twist/lie to destroy Donald Trump. I bet you still believe Trump is a Russian secret agent who works for Putin LOL. Yall just believe any negative news about Trump even tho so much of it has been proven to be false. I pity yall fools.

[@jdogsupreme]

While I don't disagree with the assertion that some law makers are afraid of MAGA repercussion if they vote the wrong way, it is also fair to point out AOC just got into a shouting match with Palestine supporters coming out of a movie. Also don't forget the Paul Pelosi thing - another example of view point intolerance. This intolerance is a whole society thing.

[@DanSk451]

? The Paul Pelosi “thing”, you mean attack, wasn’t a view point disagreement. It was a sick American following the sick propaganda maga depends on.

[@Bbenkosky]

Yup. People forget we built society by working together despite our differences... and our media fans the flames of the differences for money and clicks.

[@radscorpion8]

a shouting match is not the same as threatening someone's family though, that's what they were talking about there

[@d4mdcykey]

Wha?

[@DanSk451]

The Paul Pelosi thing? That wasn’t a “view point intolerance”. That’s as sick as the guy that did it.