What About the Heme in Impossible Burgers?

[@MictheVegan]

In a Rich Roll interview CEO Pat Brown said the soy heme in his burger was less oxidative than animal heme which would imply less damaging. Would love to see some studies on this.

[@wfpbwfpb]

You look just like this guy named m.......wait.....whaaaaaat. Haha sorry. Love your channel.

[@fieldlab4]

They could easily make great veggie burgers and sausage from tofu, tempeh, grains and potatoes. I think the problem is, they couldn't PATENT IT.

[@Natash_007]

@@fieldlab4 You are missing the point. These products are meant as meat replacements to help people transition. Most people aren't going to go from eating pizza and hamburgers to ultra refined Whole Foods overnight.

[@fieldlab4]

I didn't say I don't eat junk food. What I'm saying is- if the vegan community doesn't make it very clear this is junk food, and hopefully point out better alternatives, meat eaters are going to switch to this stuff, see no benefits or maybe they over eat it and see their health worsen, and then they go back to eating meat with a vengeance, AND hating dishonest vegan culture. Be honest and clear to people, and encourage optimal whole foods. Big food industry is no friend of environmental justice, or social justice for the most part.

[@Natash_007]

@@fieldlab4 Look at all the big vegan/plant based nutritional channels. Look at their playlists. They have zero problems being clear about labeling foods as bad. It's a steady parade of videos, posts and information about all the foods you should not eat that will give you cancer. Even the plant based quack dieticians center their scams around specific foods and food groups that should be cut entirely out of your diet. That's what new vegans get confronted with when they seek out information. An avalanche of negative messaging and paranoia producing content. That can start to produce a pathological mindset about diet even in the most stable people. This is why vloggers that focus on teaching people to make plant based eating enticing and approachable are so successful. Most people need rehab from the Standard American Diet like severe heroin addicts. They've been filling the emptiness in their lives with garbage food and don't know what to replace it with.

[@SamFigueroa]

Also, to some it might be worth mentioning that, an Impossible Burger shouldn’t be part of a daily staple food as it isn’t exactly a whole food rather a quite highly processed food. Make it an exemption rather than the rule.

[@foxieroxieok]

Great point, Sam!

[@flclub54]

@BenBenson the point of all these videos is to inform & educate .... therefore it's not "common sense" for the masses.

[@ptx-functionaltraining8733]

Just like a regular burger shouldn’t ...

[@veg0machine]

Make it an exemption rather than a rule? An exemption from what?

[@foxieroxieok]

@@veg0machine I think he meant to say exception.

[@Natash_007]

Impossible burgers are definitely healthier for the cows.

[@gallectee6032]

They'll definitely be healthier for humans too. No cholesterol so no oxysterols after cooking, no endotoxins (inflammatory molecules), no Neu5Gc, no arachadonic acid and so on.

[@garethbaus5471]

@@gallectee6032 true, but it still has plenty of saturated fat. I still like the taste of the impossible burger, and will probably eat it again in the future but it definitely isn't a health food.

[@littlehousepineywoods5352]

They're definitely an only once in awhile kind of thing for me.

[@jjbartula]

when you take a study break from studying nutrition to watch a Dr.Greger video... love my life

[@terryjackson9395]

Ha ha, it's called immersing yourself. It's like, I wonder if gynecologists ever watch porn...One would think not. (Asking for a friend)

[@jjbartula]

@@terryjackson9395 hahaha that’s an interesting thought😂😂

[@wvvwwvwvv]

The way he talks is very engaging and it feels like he both takes pride in and enjoys his job

[@gallectee6032]

@read this I love that guy. Dr Greger is awesome. My only criticism of him is that he could use stricter standards before coming to probable conclusions because these weak points get used as areas of criticism.

[@FreeRadicals9478]

He does. Been following him for many years. He’s over the top sometimes but it’s endearing. 😁

[@robertusga]

@@gallectee6032 yeah, I used to think "surely he does not cherry pick and omits data that does not support his position!" Until it was clearly shown by Dr. Avi that he does. Very sad as it undermines the entire whole food plant based message. Just because whole food plant based diet is the best (which science still clearly shows), does not mean you have to make shtuff up.

[@gallectee6032]

@@robertusga I didn't see that criticism. What did he cherry pick? I'm mainly talking about epidemiological studies showing like a couple brazil nuts to reduce risk of CVD by 50%. That's just ridiculous. A clear impossibility. The massive CVD reduction risk 100% has more to it than nut eating.

[@robertusga]

@@gallectee6032 his olive oil study he referenced was way off the mark. Check Dr. Avi where he shows where Greger omitted data and misrepresented data when it comes to CVD reversal and how olive oil is bad for you. Using the same metrics we should stop exercising, sleeping and having sex.

[@eelkeaptroot1393]

I think I remember heme can help to oxidize cholesterol from another video....

[@Soul_Younes]

I always asked myself this question, but never really bothered to research it. Can't wait for the next one.

[@veg0machine]

I'm not a fan of impossible burger but I'm still interested in the results.

[@NA99693]

I have a different question for Dr. Greger. I add very ripe bananas to my smoothie every day (think dark brown spots), and they tend to get a lot sweeter the longer they ripen and the darker they get. So my question (not only related to bananas but to all fruits and vegetables) is whether or not the nutrient profile changes in any way over time? With respect to bananas, does the fact that they are sweeter the riper they get indicate that the sugar content has changed and therefore will have a different impact on blood glucose, etc? Does their macro nutrient profile change over time? How about vitamin / mineral profile? Is there an optimal time after harvesting to be eating different fruits and vegetables? I mean, we generally know when they go bad and therefore have no value to us. However, do we know when they are the most nutrient dense? Thank you for all your work! I have been a fan of the channel for a long time and will be picking up your books shortly.

[@growcactus]

What an awesome guy... 😎

[@markrice3019]

Ja ja 😍

[@daphne0123]

Oh, what a cliffhanger!! Love you, Dr. Greger!!

[@Fab5932]

Much gratitude 🙏 Dr. Greger.

[@tarantulapop2273]

Excellent video. I'm a loyal follower but can y'all please match the intro/outro volume with the rest of the video? This is constantly an issue in your videos. The outro comes in super loud because viewer has to turn up Dr. Greger. Thank you

[@sungheelee9358]

Can’t wait! Thank you, Dr. Greger!

[@myHealthSciences]

Yea, I'd stick with whole foods based burgers (bean or sweet potato) and not worry about anything. I think these fake meats could turn out just as unhealthy as the real meats once we get more data.

[@mrmrmaples]

*"turns out estrogen is an important flavor component"*

[@Natash_007]

Not "just as unhealthy" for the cows.

[@terrancesmith5389]

and may I add, they are awful tasting, very greasy and salty.

[@fieldlab4]

They aren't much better unless they contain whole plants. It's so unnecessary too, with great options like tempeh and tofu (which is whole enough).

[@esmev3151]

Thank u for sharing. I'm switching to lentils and potatoes burgers

[@Wyote1017]

Better to stick with hemes prettier cousin, chlorophyll

[@mjs28s]

I don't buy the argument that impossible and beyond are higher in sodium than a regular burger for the simple reason that people season their burgers before they eat them. So just comparing ground beef to impossible is not really fair. One would need to compare the 'as prepared and served" of each rather than the raw ground beef that is unseasoned to the Impossible or Beyond patty which you don't need to add salt to.

[@flattlandermontgomery1524]

The body has a harder time regulating heme iron than it does normal natural iron found in plants. The body can choose how much iron to absorb from a whole plant source, but when it's confronted with heme iron, it can't stop or regulate the absorption of the heme iron. That's just another reason why animal products cause damage to the human body. That is also why people mistakenly think that plant iron is not as bio-available when in reality is the exact perfect amount of bio-available.

[@zencone]

Please ditch the unnecessary shrilly Intro & Outro music in the interest of preserving hearing. Put it to the test and see how many would prefer the music gone or at least way turned down.

[@AccordionLadyDi]

I personally like the intro music.

[@pdblouin]

I agree the sound mixing is a bit off. The intro is noticeably louder than the rest of the video.

[@morganthem]

It is loud

[@TheFarmingAccountant]

It is a bit loud but it is important to have a jingle. That's why companies have been doing it for years. I like it but agree a little softer

[@sylmacg1]

I think in most cases vegans will be eating far fewer Impossible burgers, if at all (I don't), than meat eaters consume meat in general. And when they're eaten by meat-eaters, they'd likely just be as a substitute for meat that contained heme iron anyway.

[@sharit7970]

Aaaah! Another nutritional cliffhanger!

[@bonniemullen9820]

Thank you Dr. Greggors ‼️❣️😁🙋👏👏

[@AurelienCarnoy]

Doc! The intro music is super loud and your voice is to quiet. Just letting you know

[@mymom9466]

G-d bless you Dr. Greger for doing everything you do! You are changing for the better and saving people’s health everywhere. So glad you are doing this video on the heme iron in impossible meat! After learning that they use heme iron, I was wondering it’s source amd if it’s detrimental to our health. Looking forward to the continuation video(s) to find out! Much blessings to you and your family!

[@OhanaFilms]

Impossible burgers are a wonderful treat every once in a while.

[@allencrider]

Somehow I'm able to live my life without eating chemical burgers.

[@fieldlab4]

Then you must be eating plants because US meat is far higher in chemicals than any veggie burger.

[@gallectee6032]

Dr. Greger, will you ever cover stem cells? It's such an interesting and complicated topic.

[@Ryansarcade9]

Love the video series on impossible burgers!

[@lorah3005]

#BoycottMeat and all other animal products, cruelty and exploitation in any way possible!

[@Ahda108]

Is this going have an effect on Impossible 🍔 stock tomorrow??

[@Original50]

That was a hell of a cliff-hanger!

[@vascoamaralgrilo]

Thanks!

[@elizabethkeplar1264]

He didn't answer the question!!!

[@rameshraghothama8324]

Of late i guess he is getting some sponsors from the faux meat industry and wonder why he keeps skirting the real questions.

[@roivosemraiva]

It still is a type processed foods regardless .

[@TofuTal]

To be continued? Ya killin’ me Smalls!! :) haha

[@AmandaOrigo]

Hahahah that cliff hanger though!

[@Mark_Chandler]

so is plant heme identical to animal heme?

[@flattlandermontgomery1524]

good question

[@MRiJoosH]

I have a question on your daily dozen app, can i tick the beans section if i have raw cocao beans init?

[@sylmacg1]

no - they're not actually a bean or legume at all, rather the seeds of the fruit of the cacao tree.

[@MRiJoosH]

@@sylmacg1 oh okay thank you!

[@subversion6066]

Isn't this tantamount to saying animal derived protein intake is pro-inflammatory while plant derived protein is not? While there is some fuzzy food science in the manufacturing of plant derived heme and certainly warrants further investigation, generally speaking if the other processed soy products are healthy to consume then plant derived heme should likely follow the same profile. I will say this: plant-derived heme has been given the FDA designation of GRAS Food (generally recognized as safe). Pretty weak. And the rooster is guarding the hen house on this product as no independent studies were provided to the FDA. Let me add this from a position statement critical of the FDA waving the research requirement: "This is the first time that people have consumed this product. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is supposed to require testing in this situation to make sure that this novel protein does not cause allergic reactions in people. Unfortunately, instead of requiring Impossible Foods to file a new Food Additive Petition, FDA allowed the company to use a weak regulatory process called "Generally Recognized As Safe" (GRAS) where the company does its own research and chooses its own reviewers to self-certify that its product is safe for human consumption. Center for Food Safety has a lawsuit challenging the GRAS food additive loophole that the Impossible Burger went through, allowing it and many other novel food substances to unlawfully evade government analysis and approval before coming to market." Very spurious if you asked me.

[@EdgeMasterPro]

Yes I too worry about the rose tinted (maybe green tinted) glasses when it comes to highly processed high sodium high fat fake meats.

[@subversion6066]

@@EdgeMasterPro well said sir...perfectly put in fact...but is your name really Hemeter? You know that’s crazy funny coincidence right? Heme Eater. Too funny!

[@catiatorreslucena1806]

Grata❣

[@Fab5932]

Love it. I was wondering about the impossible burger. They serve it burnt in burger 🍔 king. Which then they say. It comes like this. Yuck 🤢

[@RatZapTshirt]

If it tastes like a regular Whopper, I'm there. All I care about then is which one is less unhealthy.

[@AhimsaWitch]

You can ask them to microwave the patty if you'd rather have it like that, no cross contamination that way

[@Fab5932]

@@AhimsaWitch oh wow. Ok. Thanks.

[@davidk2187]

That's literally what they are known for, "flame grilled burgers." That's what makes them not McDonalds. Kind of on you for not knowing that.

[@ingridsturesson6593]

What a cliff hanger!

[@AndrewPawley11]

I love this channel!

[@peterfitzpatrick7032]

My gut instinct is to avoid Impossible meat... 😒

[@1TruGODreality]

That burger makes my heart freak out something ain't right with that product, I have eaten beyond burgers no issues I know it's the heme

[@evilcanofdrpepper]

CAN I EAT THE BURGERS OR NOT? They taste pretty good, though I covered them in umami carriers... what about that coconut amino stuff vs soy sauce? that's what I used for seasoning.

[@davidk2187]

This channel doesn't tell you what you can or can't eat, that's up to you. You already know that it is a processed food, so that means it is not part of a "whole food plant based" diet and therefore Dr. Greger wouldn't advise incorporating this into your daily diet. He already has an app and books telling you exactly what he recommends, so there is no mystery there.

[@rameshraghothama8324]

Eat it once a month to minimize your risk . NEVER eat daily - that will be the commonsense rule of thumb for any faux or highly processed product . A lot of fillers and extenders are added not with your health in mind , but with ease of the food assembly line for efficient mechanization of the process.

[@fieldlab4]

Only in moderation. It's junk food. Try tempeh and tofu, grilled plants instead.

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[@lishr4536]

The impossible burger isn't even vegan though... but yes, I think it will be interesting to find out about heme in these burgers.. can't wait for the next vid

[@Amanda-ln7yb]

They don't label their burgers as vegan or vegetarian. They say plant based This is synthetic biology. Gross AF

[@rashie]

👍👍

[@flattlandermontgomery1524]

It still seems like it shouldn't matter because if you are worried about your health you should not be eating such highly processed foods. Impossible burgers are for vegans that care about animals, but not their own bodies and also as just a way to impress meat eaters so that maybe they won't mock us LOL which who cares.

[@kungfooman]

1:52 literally a lie: Impossible Foods, producers of plant-based meat substitutes, use an accelerated heme synthesis process involving soybean root leghemoglobin and yeast, adding the resulting heme to items such as meatless (vegan) Impossible burger patties. The DNA for leghemoglobin production was extracted from the soybean root nodules and expressed in yeast cells to overproduce heme for use in the meatless burgers.[30] This process claims to create a meaty flavor in the resulting products.[31][32]

[@narrowgate777]

Impossible Burger embraces GMOs; it's on their website. For that reason alone, I'll never buy or consume it again.

[@lindapb6529]

💜

[@rameshraghothama8324]

They're desperate to make it so much like real meat that eventually it will end up being worse than meat lol. Most vegan Deli slices and meat substitutes already have tons of 92% sat fat coconut oil which makes chicken and turkey deli slices seem much healthier . Just like Cane sugar seems healthier than HFCS or Agave nectar. Introduce a new villain to make the old villains seem classy and angelic. Every day when i look at food labels its like manufacturers keep mocking their customers for trying to be diet conscious. I wont be surprised when they start adding pro-inflammatory Meat Sugar - alpha-1,3 Galactose to their fake meat burgers with a cover story of it being made from some 'fermented' beet molasses etc.

[@emanilove6222]

Their burgers make me vomit every single time I consume them, I see that as a red flag.

[@michaelleroi9077]

Dude. Are you are on a spasm med?

[@robertos4172]

I remember many videos from this channel implicating heme as one of the reasons meat was evil. Now that it is showing up in a plant based product, the attempt at exoneration seem tendentious. Are we to consider imported Japanese beef a good source of nutrition? Why not? Can we not divorce the other unhealthy aspects of eating meat by similar gyrations employed here? This is becoming increasingly more like a religion like the Ketonites.

[@rameshraghothama8324]

Its becoming another Vegan Echo Chamber , not one that provides honest answers but uses click-bait style messaging to mislead.

[@TheFarmingAccountant]

I agree. But whether or not heme is bad for you, the other things listed in meat are bad as well. As well as the hugely decreased environmental impact (not to mention this little thing called the carbon footprint of meat) of eating this instead of meat. He does not want to condemn it outright because of all of the benefits that this brings despite having some drawbacks. But he pretty much says that the studies we have say they could be bad but it is not sure because it is not interventional. Ie. Watch the next video and see for the final call

[@TheFarmingAccountant]

Also, he says numerous times that eating unprocessed meat is healthier than eating highly processed plant products, and the other point is that eating Japanese beef would be better than American, but still not as good as lentils. You can be vegan but chips and coke and not form part of a healthy diet

[@robertos4172]

@@TheFarmingAccountant So is he saying it's better to eat Japanese beef than the impossible burger?

[@TheFarmingAccountant]

@@robertos4172 hahaha. I think if you follow his advice probably, but that would depend on the content. So I would classify impossible burger as red and a venison burger would probably be even better than Japanese beef. (See video on oxidative stress cause by different types of meat- kangaroo has way less than beef - like a quarter of the postprandial oxidative stress on blood tests)