"What Am I Missing in My Detailing Process?" - E1: Pan the Organizer

[@PanTheOrganizer]

That was a nice chat Matt!

[@armourdetailsupply]

Crazy to hear Pan speak so highly of ADS, completely mind blowing to us. So many great recommendations here!

[@I5ZQ8]

I just got my order of shampoo+ and decon and man you guys are onto something. I haven't used the decon yet but man does the shampoo+ foam crazy for how little you use.

[@armourdetailsupply]

Glad you're loving it!@@I5ZQ8

[@MikeGDetailing]

@armourdetailsupply well deserved in my experience using all the products in the line.

[@mikezupancic2182]

Your stuff is amazing. I'm completely blown away by how well your wheel cleaner and tire cleaner works. So looking forward to the new rinseless.

[@armourdetailsupply]

@@mikezupancic2182 Appreciate the kind words, Mike! Glad you're enjoying everything so far, the Rinseless should be a huge hit!

[@melansonstevenandrew]

Awesome video with Montréal’s very own Pan The Organizer! It’s great that you’re reaching out to others with great feedback to give! Looking forward to the other videos!

[@chrism1157]

A cold weather/salt sub-package would be a nice add-on package for the cold weather people.

[@karlf2378]

Matt, I think it would be cool if you could also recommend your favorite or best under body pressure washer attahcment.

[@davewallace9048]

Pan sells details.. Matt sells you a new way of life!! We love them both!!

[@diydetailofficial]

Thank you for the recommendations.

[@John-ib3zi]

This should be the most popular video. Two awesome dudes helping each other. Awesome.

[@Haydarov_Igor]

Literally I was thinking today: would be nice to have a podcast or something with Pan. And here we have it. Thank you !

[@Palosrob]

Pan took a while to grow on me but now I'm really a fan. This video got to illustrate his deep knowledge of products and comparisons that he doesn't always get to show on his videos.Kudos to Matt for being willing to think outside of the box so to speak. After seeing Pan's video about his new home stereo system I think a sit-down like this with Pan and Matt talking home theater exclusively would be fantastic.

[@FutureTruth1]

For sure! 😊

[@jimprovax6846]

Thanks gentlemen for collaborating. Love both your channels.

[@Riverguide33]

Matt…solid critiques of your curated selections strengthens their validity. Great series…well done. 👍

[@levelbest6142]

I could listen to stuff like this all day. Keep these going!

[@simonhoward4819]

Hey Matty / Pan , as a long time follower of both of you & a HEX member I appreciate , enjoy the effort you guys put in steering us in the right direction with solutions & products. Keep up the good work 👌

[@ObsessedGarage]

Thanks man.

[@TheCarDetailingChannel]

Every product that I’ve tried so far from Armour Detail Supply has been very very good. ADS Tire cleaner is better than Brake Buster in every way other than the price and it can be used on wheels too. Amplify is my new go-to drying aid.

[@vincentolo9271]

Great Video gents! Pro/Con points well made. OG definitely my pathway for making purchase decisions on detailing and garage.

[@felipe_silve]

I'm glad Pan mentioned Gyeon Interior Detailer. It's probably on my top 3 of detailing products I couldn't live without. It flashes super quickly with very light wiping which greatly reduces the risk of marring on piano black. It definitely has anti-static properties, although they don't advertise it. I've also used it to clean my computer monitors and TV screens.

[@progression_decibel]

Agreed, that stuff is magical. What are you using if you want a slightly more aggressive clean, if anything?

[@71gmonet]

I’m currently using Koch Chemie ASC for my piano black finishes for the same reasons. I will have to try Gyeon because I had not found anything better than ASC for piano black finishes that mar just by looking at them for too long.

[@felipe_silve]

​@@progression_decibel I wouldn't use anything more aggressive on piano black. Maybe if you have embedded etching I would use Gyeon ID, followed by a very fine polish

[@progression_decibel]

@@felipe_silve Oh I meant, if you use any other interior cleaning products for a more aggressive clean, if so. Although I do find Gyeon ID does a very good job as is. Also - what's your top 3 detailing products you couldn't live without?

[@felipe_silve]

@@progression_decibel More aggressive interior cleaning, budget choice: P&S Xpress Interior Cleaner; expensive choice: Gtechniq Tri-Clean

[@jweidenaar]

I’m really glad to see you two collaborate! I got interested in detailing my own vehicles by befriending my awesome detail guy who moved to PPF only, then stumbling upon Ammo NYC videos. I’m learning to do it by watching Pan, and sourcing the equipment and systems from OG which has saved me a ton of time by curating the best. Anytime I try and save money I end up spending more in the long run. Thanks guys!

[@RojohII]

With Bilt-Hamber in the lineup, Korrosol is a very good iron fallout-remover.

[@gizmosfere]

What a great episode. Two of the most influential figures in detailing giving us expert advice and opinions. Great to hear the 2 of you hash out some products. Thanks

[@MikeGDetailing]

I like the new Matt being open minded about changing things up. I agree with most of what Pan recommended. Matt I would also recommend looking into the Jade coatings from B&B. Chris over there is doing some good things with the new formulations and you can brand them for OG which would be kind of awesome.

[@waynebauerjr7426]

Probably one of the best non-detailing detailing videos I've ever watched. I think what you are doing here is huge. Nice to hear both sides. I think its a great idea NOT to have the other guys watch this video first. Just think the feedback back will be more pure. Also nice to see the Manufacturers chime in on the comments. Cant wait to see the upcoming episodes.

[@adamlyman8293]

Hi Matt, I found this very interesting and informative. I’m a detailing enthusiast that has followed Pan for a year or so. I’ve slowly built up my products and tools, and tried the recommendations and then picked products that work best for me (value, performance). I haven’t purchased or tried to machine polish my vehicle yet but I find your and Pan’s video on the subject very helpful and encouraging. Keep up the great content! Cheers!

[@gregplant8761]

Thank you for sharing this conversation with us! Packed full of great up-to-date information!

[@supergrovah2729]

Love this. Setting egos aside and sharing your knowledge. Thanks guys. I'm a sub to both of you.

[@ratton5028]

Hi Matt 🖐 That was a great video! I believe Pan gave some interesting alternatives. Waiting for you to get Bilt Hamber in stock I love it.

[@S54VR6]

Everything in detailing was so confusing before I found OG. Having Matt use and sell the best products or at least recommend high quality stuff makes detailing 100x easier. Grateful for Matt and the OG Team

[@mikezupancic2182]

Great video, and I can't say enough about how well ADS stuff works for me in northern Ohio. Every new product I try, I find just how well it works.

[@bestesadventures7095]

Great video! The look on Matt's face when Pan recommended CanCoat Evo was hilarious! Maybe forgiven, but not forgotten... Completely agree with Pan on CC Evo - super easy, great results, decent lifespan. I've become a big fan of Gyeon Ceramic Detailer as a drying aid (of sorts). Same great results as OG's, just less demanding from a two-towel perspective, IMO.

[@onthelake9554]

Nice collab guys , much appreciated.

[@justinmarquez2826]

Matt great Idea I just started detailing a year ago and watch all u guys to see what u all.pick is the best and try and get it if I can afford. But I like how u all come together for this

[@robl6044]

That’s gold Jerry Gold Matt I think in seven years and watching your channel that is the best video I think you’ve ever made bravo👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@viewfield5]

Matt is spot on about cleaning bottom up when pre rinsing, have done both methods here and the results are pretty obvious. Going from top to bottom u miss so much. Bottom to top shows where u have been and have used the pressure washer to blast thru the snow foam to pull the dirt off

[@tj1470]

I really like the 'what am I missing' series. I wish there were a few more videos in this series. Could I suggest doing videos with: 1) John - Forensic Detailing Channel 2) Lennert - Vermijl Car Detail. Attention 2 Details w/Chelsea may also be another one. She's just released a video testing 30 coatings. She's a little different from a lot of the other detailers with her approach. Would also be nice to see a series with: 1) Pete Hamber (with his scientific approach and explanation to why certain products are better than others) 2) Koch Chemie as they do have some really good products as well. It would be amazing to see a video of you both detailing your 911s side by side, at the same location. See the different processes, products, styles. At the end, letting the viewers see the results. Do people prefer the finish on Pan's wheels and the finish on Matts paint. Or did Matt get the exterior perfect, but Pan gets a better interior finish. You could even make it into a competition and have 2-3 external judges come in (like the guys from Rag Company). Video & edit RAD Garage style (that cinematic look). Loser cooks dinner for everyone or pays for dinner. Just a thought, I think you'd get a lot of views. I really enjoyed this video guys!

[@DomsGarageProjects]

Legit video, very fun to watch. Just wish more Bilt Hamber find it's way in the collection. I switched to BH traceless and Korrosol and never looked back. Also surprised no mention of wheel woolies as they are super soft and offer a variety of sizes and shapes. I still have EZ-Detail but the Wheel Woolies are a step up imho.

[@robzollinger3696]

You two got me hooked back in 2019. Matt “dialing in” your GT350. 👍🏼

[@bradmtb1]

Well done guys!

[@Ricky_R]

Keep the detailing stuff going! I was starting to check out on all the house stuff.

[@mrprofesor6131]

Dear Matt and Pan one product that i would recommend you trying is the Scholl concepts Neo polymer. It can be used on so many surfaces and one hack that it has is that i can be used spray and rinse like wet coat. One extra plus is that it can be used on matte surfaces as well.

[@ObsessedGarage]

I'll check it out.

[@felipe_silve]

Wet Coat for wheels, but also wheel well and suspension components. They make Wet Coat Essence which is the concentrated version that you can dilute in Pressol bottles.

[@ehpracing518]

You mentioned in previous videos that you now use the accupour more instead of just guessing. I used to do the same and just load everything with more than necessary. What I found helpful was to print some labels with a label maker and apply them to the accu pour itself. The labels have the ratios for corresponding products such as snow foam and reset, so every time I go to wash I know exactly how much to pour and it makes my life so much easier. No more wasting product either.

[@gorillanismo]

excellent video and series only two things: 1. Tire Cleaner is so important to me and brake buster is junk on tires. ADS Tire Cleaner, Turtle Wax Hyper Foam, Carpro ReTyre, Adams Wheen & Tire... those are the best Ive found. 2. Interior Cleaner, ADS Pilot and never look back.

[@rj240polestar]

Big fans of both channels, but I always LOL when Matt makes fun of Pan's opening sequence! 😂😂😂

[@RayNLA]

I’ve been using AERO SHIELD HYPER FINISH SiO2 QUICK DETAILER as a drying aid instead of Beadmaker. The dusting issues I was having are now gone! I’m very pleased with the results!

[@RichardsWorld]

I know a trigger lock would be much better, but on my 3 inch Mirka I can keep the trigger pressed with a 12 inch hook and loop (Velcro) strap.

[@TV_casualty138]

KLIN Korea!! You need it!

[@davidsteckley8846]

Another awesome video. I have another business proposition for you. Probably for us new guys, start a little side business that you help us develop our menu of services. I find it hard because I want mine to be different than everyone else. I can’t stand seeing menus like Standard gold platinum. Absolutely lame. I want to be different and someone walks away and remembers it. Gordon Ramsey kitchen nightmares. A horrible restaurant menu is awful. One thing f j love about your style is your analytics of everything. Everything is on point for the most part. Some is over the top, but I understand your point and reason.

[@Vanhamj1]

Great conversation, so many great suggestions.

[@Vanhamj1]

I do have a question though, if you were starting a detailing business and needed to pick just one chemicals brand, or 2 a high end and an inexpensive brand, which would those be? I’m very familiar with P&S as they’ve been a staple in my arsenal for several years. Was thinking about KCx for my high end brand? Would really love some feedback. I’ve already collected the majority of the hardware necessary.

[@nathanlatham115]

Bilt hamber - korosol always been a good go to for me for iron removing, mixed conditions over here in the UK

[@kkeshav74]

LOL 36:00 got me dying from the e92 cancoat debacle

[@whitegoodman7465]

LOL

[@RixisLV]

Bilt Hamber Auto-wheel for wheel cleaning, Korosol for iron removal. Constantly ranks high in performance comparison tests 😎

[@improvedgarage]

We talked a little about this today, but commenting so you can add to your list. I like armour wheel as a "touch-less" wheel cleaner. I think Armour tire cleaner is better than wise guy. Pan didn't mention armour's pilot interior, but it just came out, i think its excellent on piano black, and your dash, it also leaves no residue on windows if you get overspray on them.

[@improvedgarage]

Also the multimatch 3 CONNECT that works with the Milwaukee batteries.

[@Ecdetails]

Matt don’t sleep on lithium it hits and give add amplify a try vs your og drying aid Brad said he’ll name It after you the moreman juice

[@maxs7976]

I started using 3.0 HO batteries with the Milwaukee polisher instead of 6.0 for weight and have been loving the weight difference. In your rupes test you should consider using those.

[@davidboyce6427]

Matt I’ve used GEIST on my overnight sleeper duffel bag that had sun faded damage. I bought their tan color restorer cleaned first then applied the restorer.

[@HighDefinitionDetailProt-ot5hh]

I would agree with pan on a lot of that the ADS stuff is pretty amazing. Waiting for that new glass coating though because the first one was a letdown.

[@erichughes6119]

Diy detail interior ceramic. Also I think turtle wax regular green bottle tire cleaner is as good as any tire cleaner on the market and is only like $5

[@michaelb.5492]

Bottom Up Rinsing for Pre-wash & Touchless pressure washing Bob Hoyle, owner of Chem-X, agrees with Matt.

[@frankcastaldi2531]

Great chat, very informative

[@chrisracer2007]

A friend of mine told me that polishing a new vehicle voids the pain’s warranty, I the asked him what about gas station car washes, then we laughed!😅

[@smb1014]

Change the waterless/rinseless wash towel to The Rag Company Ultra Safe Sponge. The sponge is much more efficient. With the sponge you don’t have to stop and fold the towel to a new side each time. Change the rinseless wash solution to P&S Absolute. It’s super slick, smells great, cleans well.

[@jweidenaar]

One thing OG could do to improve the store is to make the items in the “What You Get” section hyperlinks to the individual products when available to purchase outside the kit. I’ve spent the last few months building out my garage with the “solutions” as the guide and this would have been very helpful.

[@michaelb.5492]

Just got around to watching today and it was very educational and entertaining. I enjoy it when you two take a deeper dive into a products chemistry and back story. I also prefer to rinse from bottom up because it helps me know where I have pressure washer rinsed, especially if using a caustic or acidic prewash prior to a contact wash. Question, do either of you two know Bob Hoyle & Chem-X touchless products? Seems his expertise is in detailing commercial and industrial equipment. The claim is a dual stage process, like Stars and Strips breaks the static bond of dirt and road film from the surface, allowing the high psi rinse to remove more grime than any single stage touchless or pre-wash application and also results in a neutral pH application.

[@KiloRomeoOscar]

I just like to rinse bottom up in the pre-wash stage simply becauce its easier to see were you have been, after all this is easily the most crucial part in the wash process, it makes sense to do it thoroughly and methodically.

[@JoshPhillips7781]

Is bilt hamber available anywhere in the US? Don't think so. Matt - I'd definitely be a customer if you end up bringing some of their products in

[@ak26photography]

He's going to be the US distributor.

[@jakie789]

Please don’t mind my awesome J collection in the background …. Much love for both of you

[@Jose.G.Y]

When Pan mentioned Graphene I can only imagine what went into Matt’s head 😂.

[@armourdetailsupply]

I was thinking the same😂

[@alanfriedlander1423]

Best educated webcast !

[@lswe5102]

I love this Matt. I got into detailing last year when I bought my beautiful Audi RS6 and felt like I needed to learn how to keep my cars nice & clean. I found Pan and learned a lot and wanted a pressure washer setup in my garage. I then found you, became an Inside the Hex member and ordered an Active 2.0 complete wall mount solution. I installed that, new LED lights in garage, new cabinets, got everything organized, then added a mini-split AC. I love your website and order new things frequently. You should thank Pan for starting my obsession and I bet there’s more Hex members that have similar stories. Keep up the crazy!

[@everythingreviews3124]

I didnt know pan had heat like that in the back😂

[@annalongfield]

P&S Crystal Wash to unclog coatings and do some environmental decontamination. Spray on before 1st rinse and prewash foam.

[@felipe_silve]

It works well but I feel like I’m subtracting 10 years from my lifetime every time I use it.

[@Haydarov_Igor]

I like the products you use and sell. Everything is genius simple and useful. Even for newcomers everything is simple and not overwhelming. That’s why we watch your videos. Please don’t loose it.

[@jeffc6832]

Labocosmetica Idrosave is a great rinseless, but it leaves a fair amount of (SIO2 derivative) protection. I've been using it here and there, but I haven't tested it on a coated vehicle yet to see if it negatively impacts coating performance like some toppers do. I've moved away from using toppers on my coated vehicles and am only using rinseless (ONR, Absolute or DIY Detail) as my drying aid as they do not leave anything on the surface that changes the coating behavior. We deal with tons of road salt up here in MN and I'm noticing that coatings seem to perform better and get clogged less easily when they aren't topped with SIO2 or other drying aids that have durable cross-linking polymers.

[@stevensanchez7740]

The two goats🐐🐐

[@Jose.G.Y]

I made the switch from N-914 to P&S Absolute. Even though it’s polymer based, it has some level of surfactants (Yvan mentioned this as well). The slickness you get is insane and it plays well with whatever drying aid you use. As for coatings, you can’t go wrong with Armour Detail Supply. Yes, it’s a bit grabby. However the end result is fantastic and it’s a single layer only.

[@MikeGDetailing]

Give N914 V2 a try. You will be amazed at how good it is.

[@chewdoobautomotivedetailtm2883]

Im having to educate lots of regular street customers.. I want to take care of high end car dealers round here❤😊

[@Voges2023]

I forget about the Heartland obsession from time to time.

[@chrisracer2007]

A bit controversial opinion but park tool’s torque wrench is not good on the accuracy side of things, prefer Stahlwille electronic torque wrench with the solenoid( basically it clicks no beeping)

[@annalongfield]

The rag company wool wheel mitt has fixed the issues with the wool mitts

[@sk80soarus]

We need a video of you testing all the @panTheOrganizer suggested products.

[@extra1403]

@Obsessed Garage is there any way to see that detailing master collection spreadsheet? I was currently building my setup with basically everything from your website but that list would help to build the kit

[@asphaltspecialties]

Inner QD is my favorite product

[@jluisp7]

Hi Matt, what about offering upgrade packages. Say I start with basic, and then after 6 months, I want to get the products from the next level without necessarily buying the entire next level package.

[@alanwright1982]

Can't the collection have choices. Would someone that wants the ceramic coating necessarily need colonite or power lock and vice versa. It's adding cost that's not needed. Likewise there's 2 tar removers, a strong and mild leather cleaner. Like Pan says with geist, and option could be to have a choice of new car or used car.

[@ObsessedGarage]

I pull some of those extras out of the more basic packages. This one is the entire set of things I have in my cabinet.

[@taijumaster371]

nice!!

[@chrisracer2007]

How is the tool shorting process going? Do you have any portable or semi portable systems in mind too? Like the wera package system, their magnetic rails and in general every nice belt attachment… What’s your thoughts? Plus for the Milwaukee packout fans do you have any custom foam inlay with your favourite tools in mind?

[@elliottmckibbon7195]

Thoughts on a fabric coating for either seats/carpets/mats?

[@jeffc6832]

Have you ever thought about trying out new coatings with this new venture you have with EAG? Might be a good opportunity to try some new stuff. I haven't used them yet, but I think the DIY Detail coatings are pretty good stuff. If you take Yvan's experience, and add in the 30+ years of experience of his coating chemist... they might be one to watch. Ignoring the graphene aspect of the 3 year coating, all three coatings have some amount of silicon nitride which greatly increases flexibility and reduces fracturing of the coating (which causes failure). They're single layer coatings that are ready to go in one hour. The new C6 professional coating offshoot is also interesting, but sadly they seem kind of stuck in that old business model of not selling their best coatings to consumers. The way Yvan tells it, he asked his coating chemist what a coating would look like if cost was not a factor. It costs $300 for a 30ml bottle. The coatings are supposed to be very easy to apply, but any high spots left more than an hour can require wetsanding to remove. That seems to be the main reason they won't sell it to consumers. I say to heck with that. Anyone can buy a polisher and burn the paint off their car, but I can't buy your best coating because of high spot risk? It's nonsense. Apparently they will have a consumer version coming out in a few weeks, C6 Hydro Lite, that has a lower concentration of the refined detonated nanodiamonds. They are calling it a 6 year coating with gloss, slickness, self cleaning and water behavior that is allegedly the best available. That coating will also cost $300.

[@c6manny]

Great collab! You guys briefly touched on maintaining matte paint. Would you recommend the same dr. Beasley products for a car with matte ppf? I am looking for the best way to remove minor staining and water spots for my bronco with full matte ppf. Also interested in ways to improve hydrophobic properties safely without altering the matte ppf finish. Thanks in advance.

[@chrisracer2007]

You have said wera for screw drivers… Have you checked vessel, and the Japan only wera counterparts they are just 1000 time better!😊😊

[@Jose.G.Y]

1:09:23 I looked back at this and Matt immediately chuckled when Graphene was name dropped 😂

[@Corvette315]

Mat you have to try the MJCC foam cannon it’s the best!

[@1stfrompuertorico568]

Nice

[@mattwachter4048]

Whoa whoa whoa, pan- your a sneaker head? We need a walk through of your Collection. And how you clean them

[@dailyDIYdude]

He’s done one. Checkout his channel

[@billbuss7542]

Do you think a DA 21mm polisher is not a good choice for a beginner detailer?

[@ObsessedGarage]

I only use a 15mm.

[@josephcollard3455]

Matt you might want to check your pricing in the spreadsheet for the Milwaukee 5 inch. Your spreadsheet said $878 and it’s on your website for $529

[@ObsessedGarage]

Good catch.

[@gabotano]

Great combo, listening to Matt for a while and there is Definitely some products that Don’t work for us here in Florida, and that’s probably the reason he dislike or he’s not Fan of some other products that people seem to love in like Idaho lol. Been looking like crazy for a No Salt whole house water filtration system but the internet is so shady with all this brand does OG offer any water filters or Matt have any recommendation?

[@LSD04]

I think Matt is slightly unusual in the fact that he tends to like to stick to single products where I would say most of us like a little variety. Bilt Hamber Korrosol or Auto Wheel for iron remover. Primer polish? Gyeon Primer Labocosmetica Fiero

[@Skdjiejxuje]

I’ll palm you a hundo if you disagree but Koch Chemie magic wheel cleaner is terrible especially for the price, I don’t understand the hype around it. One product you must try is Adam’s wheel and tire cleaner, it’s the Mirka of wheel cleaners. By far the best on the market. Brake buster seems like water compared to it.

[@YuriTarded-hf1nv]

Best wheel cleaner is ps21 gel. Only wheel cleaner I feel confident enough to use with carbon ceramic brakes

[@MasterC8436]

No love for Kamikaze products? Love the video, great insights.

[@whitegoodman7465]

Overpriced.

[@MasterC8436]

I agree some of their products are expensive. But they do have some products that are close in price to other high end competitors: Stance Rim Coat and Miyabi Coat being two examples. And they do have some unique products in the marketplace such as the Hagakure Wash Sponge and the Anti-Aging Paint Cleaner that work incredibly well. And how do we define overpriced? Is something like the Mirka 3" polisher considered overpriced?@@whitegoodman7465

[@YuriTarded-hf1nv]

@@whitegoodman7465there’s no such thing as overpriced.

[@timkinley1779]

The 1.5 seconds it takes to go from the bottom of a panel to the next layer up, can't make a difference when applying pre-wash foam.