What are irish martial arts?

So my first rambling video where I discuss a small bit about what exactly Irish martial arts are. This is a huge topic and one I could not cover in one video so if you want to learn more on this topic let me know.
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[@CompetitiveWingChun]

I always wondered about Irish martial arts very informative video

[@ramblingkern]

Thank you for the support feel free to check out the other videos I have done on the topic

[@hmmmmm6243]

Hi Nathan. Just for the record “bataireacht” simply means “stick-fighting” of any kind anywhere in the world. I introduced it as a word because people were just calling Irish stick-fighting “bata” or “Irish stick” which didn’t really make much sense, but it was because they were trying to avoid using the word shillelagh. So if you translated it they were saying “I do the stick style of Irish stick-fighting”, and I would say “Well bataireacht actually means stick-fighting” so it was an attempt at an improvement on my part. If you really read about the Gaelic Irish peasantry you’ll find that they were actually considered highly educated and literate for peasants. “The Hidden Ireland” is a good start for that as is “The Hedge Schools of Ireland”. Irish stick-fighting really was not a peasant art per se as we know that the biggest faction feud in history was the Caravat - Shanavests War which pitted poor Irish laborers against sting farmers and middlemen who scholars consider quite wealthy. Both groups were native Irish speakers and Catholic. I know you won’t believe me but just read up on it - it’s historians saying this not me. In time, as you study the broadsword manuals, I think you’ll begin to see how a number of Irish stick-fighting “styles” were based on that. I know Antrim Bata is not based on that but that’s not what I’m talking about. A number of contemporary descriptions say that the Shillelagh Exercise is just a slightly altered form of the Broadsword Exercise. And there is some broadsword in the Doyle style as I’ve discussed with Glen before. Anyway it’s great to see you doing this, best of luck with it.

[@ramblingkern]

Thank you John a lot of detailed information for me to look into there. Yes of course with this short video there is a lot of material left out or not included but I will do my best with future videos to dive into these areas.

[@stevenolove]

Im currently living in Holland I haven’t lived in Ireland since 2006 this makes me want to move back and help revive this piece of mostly forgotten history

[@ramblingkern]

If you are interested in setting up a study group in Holland or even having me for some seminars get in touch I would be more than happy to help.

[@stevenolove]

@@ramblingkern What part of Ireland you based? I very well might take you up on that offer at some stage at the moment I’m ploughing through videos and searching for books and info on it. I did martial arts for 10 years (never in Eire) and I had never heard of it till this week I’m a bit embarrassed by the fact tbh. Go raibh míle maith agat 🙏🏻

[@ramblingkern]

@@stevenolove most people have not and as a result what I do is often met with a lot of hostility when I talk about it as a result a big part of what I do is get the word out there. Ruadhan McFadden has a great book on collar and elbow and John Hurley has some good books on the history of bata I would also highly recommend Ben miller's book. As for me I am based in Dublin so feel free to get in touch any time mate.

[@NealNelson]

There is an Antrim Bata study group in Gronigen if you're interested. I'm not sure how active they are at the moment though. I've been looking to learn for a few years now, but alas I'm too far away from that group.

[@stevenolove]

@@NealNelson im very interested thank you. Miles away from me tho im in south Holland but i would like to move to Friesland, more the reason now

[@ernestgendron7805]

Excellent video, well-explained and articulated. Looking forward to more videos from you, especially on Irish stick ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽

[@ramblingkern]

I will do my best to keep them coming.

[@Outrider74]

Excellent video. I've studied both the Doyle and Antrim styles and love them both. They each have their strengths and applications. But what's most attractive to them is their simplicity in application. It's basically "hit the guy and move on to the next guy" with as much efficiency as possible. I would REALLY be interested in knowing if there are still practitioners of other stick arts in Ireland that have yet to be made public.

[@ramblingkern]

Brilliant who did you study with? There could well be but having discussed this with someone recently is that often people don't view it as an art or a martial art usually just as something someone once showed me. Hopefully more will show up but who knows.

[@Outrider74]

@@ramblingkern I studied the Antrim system under Danny Hoskins, a student of Maxime Chouinard's. He had a video course that walked through the basics of the style in a very simple, well-taught manner. He was beginning another course which was intended to be more in-depth, but that was just before everything hit the fan in 2020. I studied the Doyle system under Glenn Doyle himself in an in-person seminar in 2018 and with Jerard Delaney, a student of his who teaches about two hours from me (I live in Michigan, U.S.). Glenn also did a video course, which I took up as well. I still practice nearly every day. As a guy who's not that far from 50, but still in decent condition, I'm finding that a good stick-fighting system is a very capable equalizer for somebody like me who, although I study martial arts, am not nearly the fastest or quickest at it. A walking stick is legal pretty much any place in the world, and the techniques have excellent application for modern self-defense situations. And you'd better believe that, God willing and the world gets much closer to normal, if and when any seminars for Irish stick come up, I'll jump at the chance to partake of them!

[@ramblingkern]

@@Outrider74 Superb I know Danny well and your a lucky man to have met and trained with Glen I have sadly not been as lucky. Yes the stick is one of those things that deserves a lot of time and effort for the reasons you laid out.

[@Outrider74]

@@ramblingkern It truly is a versatile weapon. BTW, I don't recall if you mentioned it or not, but there's also the Shiner system in Canada, headed up by J.P. Sullivan. His KZbin channel is called "Hema Edmonton."

[@ramblingkern]

@@Outrider74 yes I didn't mention it as that falls into the category of recreated arts and does not have any lineage. I enjoy what they do but I also dont think they do much ISF any more either.

[@jbjujitsu]

What is the third style you mentioned after Doyle and Antrim?

[@dallasburnworth]

Collar and Elbow -- wrestling.

[@volk551]

"Szehtiec" is that right what you have on the sword in the opening?

[@ramblingkern]

The sword in my logo?

[@volk551]

@@ramblingkern aye it's Ogham right?

[@ramblingkern]

@@volk551 yes its ceithern written on it. The irish word for kern.

[@volk551]

@@ramblingkern oh my translation was way off I'm guessing huh?

[@ramblingkern]

@@volk551 you read own from the bottom up so that could be why? There is no Z in the Irish language so not sure where that one came from. If you reverse your translation its not too far off.

[@stantoscano1790]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SHARING SIR

[@ramblingkern]

I am happy you enjoyed it thank you.

[@kennethbrunk4065]

Thank you!

[@ramblingkern]

You are very welcome.

[@alexblue6991]

Would it be possible for you to do a video how to attack the legs

[@ramblingkern]

It is something I can do in the future leg shots in stick fights are an odd and unique thing in their own right.

[@silverkitty2503]

you forgot junior camogie! :D

[@ramblingkern]

Haha that's war though 🤣

[@shanenolan4503]

Where did you get that stick?

[@ramblingkern]

The one in the video was harvested in Cork and made as a wedding gift by a friend in Canada. There are a number of good irish makers out there I can reccomend.

[@shanenolan4503]

@@ramblingkern I've been looking around for one like this for a while, if you could recommend anywhere it would be great? 🤔

[@ramblingkern]

@@shanenolan4503 CaseysWalkingSticks and oldeshillelagh would be the top of my list both irish made and with good online shops that will cater to any specific need.

[@justyouraveragegeek548]

Has being Irish I never knew there a variation of martial arts style has being that I train in different styles over the years but it's hard to remember every one but what I do know Karate,Kung Fu,Judo,Muay Thai,Ninjutsu

[@ramblingkern]

Yes these arts are not as well known as they should be.

[@jaimetoquia3059]

teach!! nothing to learn on blah blah blah...

[@ramblingkern]

what?