What Are The Best Inner Tubes For Cycling? | Butyl Vs Latex Vs TPU

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@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
Which inner tubes do you use? 🚴 Let us know in the comments below! 👇
@craigfullbrook7219
@craigfullbrook7219 Жыл бұрын
TPU and Latex sound better when rolling across tarmac, but in my experience you get far more road buzz than standard butyl tubes with these options. I think one of the more standout differences between the tubes is what happens when you puncture. In my experience TPU deflate almost immediately, latex loses air quickly and screams like you’re releasing air from a balloon (can be quite daunting), where as butyl punctures and releases air slowly giving you time to limp to a safe stop. So put yourself in the scenario, you’re descending on a lovely set of carbon rims and puncture around 50kmph+, having those extra seconds before you start grinding away your fancy carbon hoops could be the difference between a near miss, scratch, cracked rim or even a potentially nasty crash. So on that premise I think Butyl should still be the choice of the people, but TPU and Latex certainly have their place given the conditions 👌🏻
@mlee6050
@mlee6050 Жыл бұрын
Butyl so not pump up often but no matter what one only tyre bead could cause puncture
@mlee6050
@mlee6050 Жыл бұрын
Just curious as said about tpu and butyl what is difference on air retention
@sogamdok
@sogamdok Жыл бұрын
TPU is the best!!
@mikeengland8331
@mikeengland8331 Жыл бұрын
@@sogamdok I use TPU and carry 2 spares. Weight = 100g. 4 x butyl weigh = 560g that's a saving of 460g or 1lb. That's brilliant bang for your buck imho.
@christophertrapp4195
@christophertrapp4195 Жыл бұрын
10 and half minutes of video and you guys left key information out. 🙄 Latex tubes cannot be used on a rim brake bike with carbon clincher wheels. They're not very heat resistant and can fail in a carbon wheel as they do not dissipate heat as readily as alloy wheels. TPU can only be patched with manufacturer specific patches, if at all. Some brand TPU tubes have also had issues with leaks coming from the valve stem where the valve is plastic welded into the valve stem. Ask me how I know. TPU tubes also stretch when inflate for the first time. Subsequently, you can use the same tube to change from a 25mm tire to a 28mm tire, but once the tube is "stretched" to size, you may have issues if you step back down because it does not shrink like a Butyl or Latex tube.
@joaquinherrera5851
@joaquinherrera5851 Ай бұрын
Wow,those were key points.. thanks bro👍
@GrzechuPraszka
@GrzechuPraszka 16 күн бұрын
That is right. I really struggle to fit tpu to 32c tires after using them in 35c. But it can be done of course
@OIIIIIIIIIIIIIII0
@OIIIIIIIIIIIIIII0 14 күн бұрын
this is what I came here for
@j-zymarz
@j-zymarz 13 күн бұрын
Complete info… thanks
@GrzechuPraszka
@GrzechuPraszka 12 күн бұрын
@@christophertrapp4195 for aluminium wheels 25c you will go with tpu od latex?
@Mr_Andersound
@Mr_Andersound Жыл бұрын
I've been on latex on 2 road bikes for over one year and can deffo feel the difference, and lower rolling is a fact. Have to check tire pressure every ride, but I did that before anyhow, not an issue for me. They are diffidently Smoother and quieter. Have a tpu as a spare, they are brilliant for that, light and small.
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
Sounds like the ideal setup! TPU are certainly the nicer option to carry as a spare!
@deanwaller1029
@deanwaller1029 Жыл бұрын
Exact same set-up and it was immediately noticeable when I switched from butyl to latex. Have to be a bit more careful when initially fitting them, which is another reason why TPU are better to carry as a spare.
@ignaciosevil2157
@ignaciosevil2157 7 ай бұрын
you think that you wont have to check tire pressure with tubeless? You probably wont even have pressure!
@bobbafett1971
@bobbafett1971 4 ай бұрын
Ive been on 1 bike with tubeless for 3 years and 2 sets of tires. Never had a flat.
@gumzster
@gumzster 3 ай бұрын
Not sure I understand why inner tubes makes a difference to rolling resistance? I mean, they are never in contact with the road? 🙃
@ebayfield
@ebayfield Жыл бұрын
As a racer, I've used all three types of inner tube. And tubeless. For me, tubeless doesn't seal above 50psi. I've been stranded too many times. Much easier to get going with an inner tube setup. Latex is fast but fragile. TPU can be found cheap online and makes a cool sound when rolling. If including the spare, you'll save about 300g in weight. I'm not going back to butyl.
@doug1219
@doug1219 Жыл бұрын
I run tubeless at 80-85 PSI, and have no problems. I don't race, but I do high mileage and have some fast, twisty descents in my area, so I feel like I've tested them in pretty demanding conditions. I did have an issue when I first switched my road bike to tubeless, but found that you need to be more careful with the rim tape on a road bike than you do on an MTB, presumably because of the higher pressure.
@nonkellambik
@nonkellambik Жыл бұрын
Started with butyl, then for a short time TPU, and now the last 4 years I ride Vredestein Superlight Latex inner tubes with Michelin Power 25mm tyres, this is for me the best and fastest combination.
@huwrosen
@huwrosen Жыл бұрын
+1 vote for vredestein superlites.
@comedyman112
@comedyman112 Жыл бұрын
Why? Isn't the tpu lower rolling resistance?
@truthseeker8483
@truthseeker8483 Жыл бұрын
Michelin tyres are awesome
@nonkellambik
@nonkellambik Жыл бұрын
@@comedyman112 The latex tubes make for a smoother, less 'bouncy' and therefore faster ride. That is: in my case. All bikes, wheels and tyres and roads are different, so are the results.
@uhis1686
@uhis1686 11 ай бұрын
@@comedyman112 tpu is lower weight, latex is lower rolling resistance. latex also still weighs less than butyl
@TryboBike
@TryboBike Жыл бұрын
Traditional tubes are trivial to repair in field and a patch kit - of 50 patches and two glue tubes - will last several years. I had tubes with as many as 15 patches applied to them before I had to trash the tube. Likewise - butyl tubes play nicely with tubeless sealant ( yes, i know ), which creates double-protection against punctures - which Is great for commuting.
@redalert2834
@redalert2834 Жыл бұрын
They completely glossed over the issue of potential new hassles with puncture repairs. Perhaps they think our sponsors will always be there at the side of the road with free replacements whenever we get a puncture?
@3dprintersawhiteboard401
@3dprintersawhiteboard401 Жыл бұрын
​@@redalert2834It is super easy to patch TPU tubes and they are so tiny, you can always take spares with you. If anything, TPU is better at the road side puncture repair. To be fair, I am not confident about a 16 patch tpu tube, but I never had more than 2 patches on a butyl either, because they start to feel clunky with those patches.
@veganpotterthevegan
@veganpotterthevegan Жыл бұрын
I definitely patched tubes like crazy before. I couldn't fathom going back after switching to tubeless though. I live in the land of goatheads. 3-4 flats a week(sometimes not even getting off my street😵‍💫😅) down to maybe plugging 3 tires a year. *sealant sucks in tubes. It's simply better than nothing
@konstantin4951
@konstantin4951 Жыл бұрын
@@3dprintersawhiteboard401 What types of patches do you use? From what I have heard, TPU tubes are nearly impossible to permanently patch (even with the manufacture supplied patches).
@daniellarson3068
@daniellarson3068 Жыл бұрын
@@veganpotterthevegan Years ago I lived in goat head country. I had heavy duty tubes, Kevlar liners and tires with a lot of Kevlar. Yes - I used Slime too. After I did that the flats stopped.
@Z-u-m-a
@Z-u-m-a Жыл бұрын
Switched to (Pirelli) TPU over summer, from butyl, and can definitely feel a more lively but compliment ride. Like it. No punctures yet. Cost soon forgotten. What's strangely weird is NOT smelling rubber when you let the air out.
@liamkennings9833
@liamkennings9833 Жыл бұрын
I also switched to the Pirelli TPU this summer and you can definitely feel the reduction in rotational weight when accelerating and climbing. I’ve been riding the Pirelli cinturato velo tires with the TPU tubes and haven’t had any problems with punctures.
@mumm-ratheeverliving3138
@mumm-ratheeverliving3138 Жыл бұрын
Sold. Not having to deal with Fish Friday is worth it’s weight in gold.
@D4D22
@D4D22 Жыл бұрын
That’s what she said
@adn003100
@adn003100 Жыл бұрын
Just get some patches for when you get a flat. Super cheap and work great! Even if you just use the patched ones for training or as your spares.
@user-cx2bk6pm2f
@user-cx2bk6pm2f Жыл бұрын
Ollie is building quite a trusted persona. He's a smart guy. He's passionate about technical details. He's eager to learn about product performance. He's intellectually honest. Ergo... we can trust what he says.
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
In Ollie we trust 🙌 He's well and truly earned his nerd status 🤓
@arthurhood8030
@arthurhood8030 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been using Latex (Vredestein) for 15 years now on my road bikes. I wouldn’t use anything else! Much better feel and I think my secret weapon to going fast on the flat or downhill. I carry butyl as a spare and use butyl in my commuting/ shopping bike. Would only ever consider TPU for hill climb races which I probably will never do as I’m useless uphill! Incidentally I use Vredestein fortezza tricomp (old stock), now superseded by fortezza senso. The higher TPI version not the cheaper all weather. I have not had a single puncture in 15 years due to anything getting through the tyre. The only punctures I have had are when the latex tubes age (after about 5 years) and fail typical around the valve stem or abrasion on anything sharp on the inside of the wheel such as caps covering the spoke holes which I was using instead of rim tape to save weight. Just thought I’d mention as Vredestein rarely gets a mention. Grip is also excellent (better imho than equivalent conti GP) though arguably they wear out faster. They certainly feel fast especially with latex tubes.
@sapthuran9492
@sapthuran9492 Жыл бұрын
I have been happy with the RideNow TPU tubes. (GP5000 tires & Alpinist CLII wheels.) A lot of the roads around here are pretty rough and they've held up fine.
@Mavczers
@Mavczers Жыл бұрын
Only problem I have with them is the shipping time.
@InfernoVolatil
@InfernoVolatil Жыл бұрын
@@Mavczers to my house are only 9 days from aliexpress
@Onigure
@Onigure Жыл бұрын
I ordered 6 tpu tubes last year and they all puncture within 2022. It was rough. With little hope I order the new 26grams tpu tubes from Ride Now and changed my tires from gp5000 to conti Grand Prix GT. With great pleasure I can say have been puncture free for all 2023 with this combination.
@thomaskranked562
@thomaskranked562 Жыл бұрын
RideNow all the way
@OhThatsZeke
@OhThatsZeke Жыл бұрын
@@Mavczers I ordered 4 and they came in 9 days, I was honestly surprised on how quickly they showed up as I was expecting at least a month wait! Looking forward to running them
@daniellucente4409
@daniellucente4409 Жыл бұрын
Recently switched to Schwable Aerothan 60mm on GP5000s with Roval Rapide CLX rim brake wheels. It’s important to mention that TPU can be used on Carbon Rim Brake wheels. I rode a 100 miler with TPU and had no issues. There were some rough roads and had no issues. I believe they inner tubes helped my climbs and speed on the flats.
@nathanmcginty5755
@nathanmcginty5755 Жыл бұрын
I use lightweight butyl tubes on some of my bikes. But I use tpu in the saddle bag, can fit 3 tubes in a smaller space, and carry a small tpu repair kit, just in case.
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
Sounds ideal! Smaller spares are a good idea!
@RobSchlumpberger
@RobSchlumpberger 2 ай бұрын
Excellent video and commentary on this topic. TPU for everyday high-performance use (and who doesn't like that) and latex on race/event day. Butyl for touring, commuting, budget, and ease of patching. They have a very long useful life.
@grantbeerling4396
@grantbeerling4396 Жыл бұрын
Been riding Ride-Now TPU for over a year. Love not having to inflate every day, tiny, light, and has no need for talc, unlike Latex. Slowly converting all my bikes to TPU over Buytl and Latex. If it wasn't for ride-now, then it would only be the best bikes.
@TK-ov4hn
@TK-ov4hn Жыл бұрын
I switched to TPU tubes several months ago and really like the gains with one exception. I have not been able to get a patch to hold on a puncture. I have cleaned carefully with IPA even tried different patches but nothing has worked successfully. A GCN Tech video would be very helpful.
@tfire28
@tfire28 Жыл бұрын
I also switched to tpu and have read they are not meant to be patched once punctured they should be replaced.
@kevvjj2629
@kevvjj2629 11 ай бұрын
@@tfire28 Nonsense. I've repaired my TPU tubes with the patches provided and the Park Tool patches with no issues at all.
@kevvjj2629
@kevvjj2629 11 ай бұрын
I've had great success with Park Tools Super patches GP-2 - they work!
@overcookit1433
@overcookit1433 Жыл бұрын
I have been using the Continental Supersonic butyl inner tubes (around 50gr. with 42mm valve) since they were launched, but three years ago I switched to latex - first the Vittorias, and then to Vredestein latex (ivory coloured, and 52 grams with 50mm valve, here in Germany you can get tem already for 8,50 Euro), I also use them on my deep section carbon front wheels (62mm and 80mm DT Swiss). Although I had used the lightest butyl inner tubes available, the use of the latex was a revelation, especially on descents. The Vredesteins loose 2 bar/29psi per day (in case you pump the tyres up early, and want to use the bike the whole day, take this in account), but they are worth it. I inflate the tyres before each ride anyway (I also did so with the Supersonic inner tubes), it does not matter (and my rides last 2.5 to 3 hours max.). I even inflate all bikes regularly during winter, to prevent the tyres getting flat. It is essentially to use talkum, and to use only glued rim tape and none of plastic - it can happen that the sharp edge of those rim tapes (e.g. the light blue one of Schwalbe or the yellow of Michelin) cut the latex tubes, and be sure to refasten the valves, as most tyre companies don't attach them to strong, so it is easier to put them out in case you have to use valve extenders. As I recently had to change the inner tube of my front tyre, I saw that the drillings for the spoke nipples have quite remarkable sharp edges, at least DT Swiss should grind them away before putting on the tubeless tape (or put on two layers of rim tape, in case this is cheaper). I had to change the inner tube due to a snake bite, fortunately I did not have to change the tube on my bike ride, only when I came home the tyre felt significantly weak, it only had 4 bars/58 psi left inside, and later on the tyre went flat in the basement. For on my way, I use butyl inner tubes (Continental light, around 70gr - I always have two, to feel better when I used one), as they are easier to handle when you have to change the inner tube when the tyre is wet or even dirty.
@frodo5882
@frodo5882 6 ай бұрын
Great to hear your insight! Why did you switch from Vittoria to Vredestein? And what do you mean with "glued rim tape and non of plastic"? Isn't rim tape always from from plastic? Thank you!
@overcookit1433
@overcookit1433 6 ай бұрын
@@frodo5882 I switched to the Vredesteins as they are far lighter (Vittoria 85gr, Vredestein 55gr). As rim tape, I always use Velox, except on the DT Swiss carbon wheels, there I left on the tubeless rim tape. There are also plastic rim tapes available which have no glue (e.g. the lightblue hp rim tape from Schwalbe, or the yellow one from Michelin), there it can happen that the edges fold up and cut the latex tube, especially where the nipple holes are, which may lead to an exploding latex tube - this happened once to me about 20 years ago. On carbon wheels you have to take care not to overheat the rim in case you still use rim brakes, release the brake lever at the latest when the brake pads start to squeak. Usually both the wheel manufacturers and the inner tube manufacturers explicit exclude the use of latex inner tubes respectively the use of carbon wheels with their products. On my Shamal HPW and a Cosmic Carbon SSC front wheel, I closed the nipple holes with Veloplugs, and put a Vélox rim tape over it, to be sure there won't appear any problems. When you decide to use vredestein latex, be sure to tighten the valves well, I usually use a small amount Pattex repair glue on the valves thread to be sure the valves are sealed, but they still loose 2 bars in 24 hours. Especially when you plan longer rides, keep that in mind.
@frodo5882
@frodo5882 6 ай бұрын
@@overcookit1433 Because of the heat problem with Latex on rim brakes, I was planning to try TPU tubes this season. They seem to be more heat resistant than Latex. Did you try them at all? I live in the mountains, so heat resistance is quite important and so far I stuck with the normal butyl tubes. As rim tape the Schwalbe Tubeless looks promising too. It's also glued on. You may want to try it.
@biamarconchi
@biamarconchi Жыл бұрын
I'm a convert to TPU for some years, yes the most expensive but completely worth it. There's even patch kits for them. Not going back to butyl.
@billkallas1762
@billkallas1762 Жыл бұрын
I always use Michelin Aircomp butyl ultralite tubes. 75g . very light weight and no threads on the valve. With no threads, the rubber chuck gasket on my Silca Track pump lasts for 10 years. With a tube with valve threads, you have to replace the chuck gasket every year or two.
@eddyfung2256
@eddyfung2256 Жыл бұрын
Currently using Cyclami 38g TPU, I'm so impressed with its weight/ air retention & road performance. Every time I ride w/ TPU just like ride w/upgraded wheels set. But got punctured/ leakage due to quality issue on some manufacturer is so frustrating anyway.
@CatManDoSocial
@CatManDoSocial Жыл бұрын
First, I'm curious to know which of the three is best for the environment. Being a consumable, I would like to use the most environmentally friendly product. Second, pertaining to latex tubes and air leakage, I've been riding bikes for a very long time and I can't imagine ever leaving for a ride without checking my tire pressure. Maybe it's just me but that's not even an option. Great video!
@JamesSmith-qs4hx
@JamesSmith-qs4hx Жыл бұрын
Butyl for the win in 2023. ❤
@dermotbarry-murphy9451
@dermotbarry-murphy9451 Жыл бұрын
I thought the same about checking pressure for years until I realized that the real issue is the pressure drop you get in your tires throughout a long ride/race. You end up having to spend a third of the ride overinflated, a third about right and you finish underinflated. Adding air pre-ride has always been a red herring in terms of not using latex though..
@rachaelmurray8051
@rachaelmurray8051 Жыл бұрын
I have had the same latex tubes in constant use since 2017.
@CatManDoSocial
@CatManDoSocial Жыл бұрын
@@rachaelmurray8051 Wait. Not just the same brand but the same actual tubes? That's amazing! Good for you. Which ones are you using?
@rachaelmurray8051
@rachaelmurray8051 Жыл бұрын
I got mine from Silca. Yes same tubes! @@CatManDoSocial
@BillWiecking
@BillWiecking 11 ай бұрын
Latex tubes (green or pink), 28mm GP5000 on wide HED Ardennes rims at 38-40 psi: comfort, speed and easy to maintain. Cornering with wide rims is something you have to experience to appreciate, the 28mm and HED rims make this possible (no light bulb deformation of the tire in cornering). Great job guys, as usual. Need to come up with a new "doctor" moniker for Ollie...
@mdtrx
@mdtrx Жыл бұрын
Switched from 21/butyl to 28/tpu and the new setup is insanely more comfortable and faster. Even tried them so low pressure that the rim was hitting sharp edges (old durable wheels, don't care), with that little experience they seem to hold just fine. Of course I will pump them up a bit (just enough, around 60-70 psi). TPU gets you most of a tubeless setup without the maintenance.
@geoffsherwood2011
@geoffsherwood2011 22 күн бұрын
I just got back from a 5400 km road ride from Cyprus back to the UK, using Schwalbe Aerothan TPU tubes with Conti GP 4-seasons tyres. I was a little apprehensive about the choice, so took 5 spare tubes! Fortunately I only had to use two of them, although with the first puncture being on only the third day of the trip I was worried for a while. The last 2 years i have also used Pirelli and Tubolito TPU tubes. I have had problems with leaks at the valve stem/tpu interface, and once at the tpu/tpu junction. Repairing punctures has not been straightforward, but with Aerothan i have found Schwalbe's own repair kits good, although not easy to procure. After a first repair failed, i tried using flexible superglue as a hole filler before applying a new patch, and that has held ok.
@beams2002
@beams2002 Жыл бұрын
Have used butyl the most. Tried latex and loved the feel. But as mentioned, did not like having to maintain pressure constantly. I found this also made them more susceptible to pinch flats. Started using Ridenow TPUs. In the last 2 years, I've had one really annoying valve with a slow leak. Since then, no issues. Love the Ridenow TPUs for the balance of price, performance, and practicality
@outsidestuff5283
@outsidestuff5283 2 ай бұрын
A great thing I discovered about TPU is that you can fix them super easily with a soldering iron and a bit of spare tpu inner tube because you can melt them together
@raysmith2602
@raysmith2602 8 ай бұрын
Ive got schwalbe aerothan tpu tubes in my pinarello, pirelli in my basso which all perform as one would expect. I bought several ride now tpu tubes and two failed athe valve on day one. Ive got cyclami in my winter bike which i find are the best compromise. The are a few grams heavier , 35 grams total, because they have metal valves. Where the valve meets the tube is very well reinforced and a pump grips valve like a butyl tube. Ive patched several tpu tubes with no problems as long as the instructions are followed. However i strongly recommended the tubilito repair kit. I bought a cheap one of aliexpress along with tubes and when the patch is placed on glue it completely rolls up as if affected by glue and it is very difficult to effect a good repair. The last two cyclami tubes i bought came with a self adhesive patch which i take with me along with spare tubes. Several of my ridding buddies have switched to tpu on my recommendation and are suitably impressed with them.
@graemeoliver3753
@graemeoliver3753 7 күн бұрын
Just changed to TPU and so far think they are great. I woud recommend doing a trial fitting in the comfort of your own home as there is a correct and easy way of fitting TPU tubes
@kenblair2538
@kenblair2538 Жыл бұрын
Having riding tubs for years, I've been slowly converting to pretty pink Vittoria latex, on my climbing and touring bikes. KB
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
How have they been working for you?
@simoneisgod
@simoneisgod Жыл бұрын
Ive been using unbranded TPU tubes (from ebay) £3.88 at the time and they have been fantastic! Hoping the brand names ones come down in cost as there is no reason other then profit for the huge markup on them atm
@8807smoore
@8807smoore Жыл бұрын
I had to throw my cheap ebay TPUs in the bin after one month, both were leaking from the valve joint.
@mechanicaldavid4827
@mechanicaldavid4827 Жыл бұрын
There IS a difference. Pirelli has higher QC standards for their TPU, whereas generic QC is whatever was good enough at that unknown factory.
@einundsiebenziger5488
@einundsiebenziger5488 4 ай бұрын
... no other reason than* profit
@nkantar
@nkantar Жыл бұрын
I’ve used butyl tubes my whole life until switching to tubeless (on a gravel bike) this year. I want to get some TPU tubes as flat backups for their size (not weight).
@Featinwe
@Featinwe Жыл бұрын
You forgot to add one fact about TPU tubes - they can be risky for rim-brake bikes, especially on a downhill from mentioned Stelvio pass ;) then can be melted by the heat of the rim from braking.
@Whatsth3ruckus
@Whatsth3ruckus 10 ай бұрын
Isn't that more of a problem with latex? And also more of a problem with carbon wheels with rim brakes, not alloy wheels?
@ddahstan6876
@ddahstan6876 22 күн бұрын
I think you meant Latex tubes with carbon clinchers...
@thomasforster1629
@thomasforster1629 Ай бұрын
I put tpu tubes on mine and i love them. No issues so far what so ever. World of improvement to the butyl.
@BuexxTM
@BuexxTM Жыл бұрын
Love Ollie just casually wearing the aero base layer :D
@johnhunter8724
@johnhunter8724 Жыл бұрын
just switched to tpu and conti gp5000's from butyl and Bontrager R2's difference is night and day considerably faster . I bought the Green CYCLAMI Chinese tpu tubes off ali express they ended up only costing around 7 euro per tube. i did have a pinch flat but that was my fault could have avoided the pot hole
@tobiasbouma4071
@tobiasbouma4071 Жыл бұрын
Been running latex with gp5000 for a long time and have been loving the comfort from the first moment. I tend to run the tubes very low pressure though, bike+rider is around 85k for me and I’m sitting at 72 psi front and 77 psi back, lower than most calculators out there recommend for 25c
@billeterk
@billeterk Жыл бұрын
Swapped bikes the other day and forgot to pump up the rarely used bike. Same combo - GP5000 + latex. Turns out they’re rideable for an 85kg rider at 45PSI :-)
@Rgrrgr175
@Rgrrgr175 Жыл бұрын
This is also exactly what I run and I love it.
@jeremyedwards3612
@jeremyedwards3612 Жыл бұрын
Me too. Great Combo
@jimduyck
@jimduyck Жыл бұрын
Same combo here, too. 🙋‍♂️ Love it. Though I did pick up a pair of cheaper TPU tubes to carry as spares.
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
Sounds like you've done your research!
@therevsroth
@therevsroth Жыл бұрын
I'm running latex in my kids' bikes for road and cross. Mostly did it to save weight for them. When I install the tubes I put in 2oz of latex tubeless sealant and give a 1oz top up at 3 months. I've noticed that with more modern setups, kids are running 26c tires on 20mm internal rims at 65-70psi the tires only need a top up every 2 days, usually down to 58-60psi on day two. After a couple months of the sealant being in there they can go 3 days before they drop below about 58psi and need to be topped up. When swapping to the cross tires a month ago I could also see that one of the tubes must have gotten a puncture as there was a little bit of orange liquid on the tube but the tire never stopped holding air which makes them the best of both worlds for me; light and puncture resistant.
@neonfreaky
@neonfreaky Жыл бұрын
Been riding Ridenow TPU for a while, but switched to tubeless when I punctured front and rear at the same time in a 15% decent. Front had 16! snake bites rear had 4 snakebites. Switch to a new TPU, after few days rear tire 2 snake bits. Before this I drove them 3 months without problems. Maybe it's the combination of rimbrakes and warmer weather. Tire pressure was the same whole time. Tyre is new GP5000 #askgcntech
@JamesBoz
@JamesBoz Жыл бұрын
Interesting! I’ve been running RideNow TPU tubes previously without problems but have recently had 5 punctures -all snakebites! To be fair, one double puncture wasn’t surprising as I managed to hit a pretty nasty rock with both wheels.
@dermotbarry-murphy9451
@dermotbarry-murphy9451 Жыл бұрын
You got 16 snakebites in the same tube at the same time? I'm curious.
@neonfreaky
@neonfreaky Жыл бұрын
Yes, 16 snake bites in the same tube at the same time. In a 15% decent. A few minutes earlier I hit a hole, maybe it started leaking slowly which caused the other snake bites.
@khazza930
@khazza930 Жыл бұрын
it's nice to finally have a video covering the 3 types (tube types and rolling resistance is always coming up in videos, but never in this level of detail)! could you say something about patchability? can they all be repaired/patched?
@michaelclements4664
@michaelclements4664 Жыл бұрын
I find that latex tubes patch as easily as butyl. Haven't tried TPU yet.
@kevvjj2629
@kevvjj2629 11 ай бұрын
TPU patch easily with Park Tools GP-2 super patches
@thecyclingmaker
@thecyclingmaker Жыл бұрын
I love Ollie's commitment to the aero cause, rocking the aero bra just to make a video about inner tubes.
@archy_bold
@archy_bold Жыл бұрын
Good video. I'd have liked if you'd covered the reparability of each tube as that definitely affects the price. I've never had anything but butyl, but I could be tempted to other types if they're easily repaired.
@JoelBlack-kh5up
@JoelBlack-kh5up Жыл бұрын
This. I'm a big fan of TPU except that in my experience they don't repair well at all, even when using the manufacturer's special (expensive) patches and following the instructions religiously. Repairability is almost never mentioned in reviews...but it's essential.
@archy_bold
@archy_bold Жыл бұрын
@@JoelBlack-kh5up yeah, I like having patches in case I get more than one puncture on a single ride, as a last resort. They say TPU is compact, but I’d like to know that it’s worth carrying a spare if it can also be patched.
@kevvjj2629
@kevvjj2629 11 ай бұрын
@@JoelBlack-kh5up I've had great success with Park Tool Super patches GP-2. Currently running a TPU with two patches. Been on the bike for six months so far, no issues.
@Alan_Hans__
@Alan_Hans__ Жыл бұрын
I haven't put any on the bike yet but I have 2 TPU tubes in my saddle bag in case I have a puncture. I have had 2 tubes on the bike for many, many years and twice I've used both and once I had 3 punctures on a ride with the final a few hundred metres from home. If you're carrying a spare/s then TPU is the obvious choice.
@chrisbaum998
@chrisbaum998 Жыл бұрын
Ollie and Alex: Follow up question that would be interesting to answers! How does CO2 affect the 3 different inner tubes? Also, Is it possible to do a patch the Latex or TPU and reuse the inner tube if you get a puncher???
@SoloKyoto
@SoloKyoto 11 ай бұрын
I have used everything from $3-$25 a piece inner tubes in my time doing BMX and I can say no matter how expensive you will end up casing a quarter inch gash in them no matter what if you really ride your bike so just use whatever your budget affords. Although If you get a lot of flats I recommend Slim's tubes with the sealant already in it. They are extremely heavy but they will survive multiple small nail punctures.
@NonLegitNation2
@NonLegitNation2 2 ай бұрын
I just bought two TPU inner tunes for my mtb, 27.5 x 2.50 tubes. I only paid $24.00 for them total. I haven't installed them yet because honestly, it's a pita to put in new inner tubes. My original plan was to install them yesterday, but I got lazy and didn't lol. I plan on going for a ride Friday so I'll probably install them tomorrow replacing my butyl inner tubes with them.
@Sijray21
@Sijray21 Жыл бұрын
320tpi tires with latex tubes was by far the most comfy and fastest ride I've ridden. Currently on tubeless for the self-sealing ability on punctures though.
@888jhs
@888jhs Жыл бұрын
Good comparison, but did not hear any comments on repairability. This is related to value vs butyl which, of course, can be easily repaired. I normally use butyl, but switched to latex for recent Ironman as they seemed faster and lighter - x4 with the 2 spares (and smaller). Also nice to be able to upgrade some components like tyres and tubes on race day. How easy are TPU and latex to repair?
@danielotero4484
@danielotero4484 Жыл бұрын
In 2021 I switched to latex inner tube combined with Specialized cotton 28 hell of the north edition knock on wood super fast and comfortable and most important no punctures
@rivingtonandstanton
@rivingtonandstanton Жыл бұрын
Hi @gcntech, Would be cool to include additional criteria to any review like this: Sustainability Impact - in terms of their production and when it comes time to bin/recycle such items.
@williamcrampton394
@williamcrampton394 Жыл бұрын
Guys. Thank you for this video comparison for the Tubes, but I'm disappointed that you didn't mention repairing any of them, once. It's not all about RR, weight and price. An opportunity missed on this one!
@Andy_ATB
@Andy_ATB Жыл бұрын
It's GCN, what do you expect?
@andrewmcalister3462
@andrewmcalister3462 Жыл бұрын
Only Alex and Ollie could have that much fun discussing... inner tubes.
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
We already knew they were massive nerds 😉
@kevingregoire1042
@kevingregoire1042 Жыл бұрын
Latex in coton clinchers for great sensations on no rain days, latex cutout patches and tiny glue tube roadside repair kit, tiny CO2 inflator and a spare ultralight TPU and tyre boot patch in the jersey pocket in case of disastrous puncture.
@app6336
@app6336 Жыл бұрын
I am using Vittoria's butyl inner tubes with sealant inside for my commute bike - I have 28mm wide Vittoria Zaffiro Eco (allrounder) tyre. They are not lightweight and definitely they have quite high rollong resistance. But for commuting it is a good set. I think I will try tpu inner tubes in a following year.
@SuperDongringo
@SuperDongringo Жыл бұрын
am using ride now tpu tube. they're light and cheap works like a butyl tube also.
@pheonixdragon2261
@pheonixdragon2261 11 ай бұрын
For me, it comes down to which tube is easiest to patch on a ride and I find the old Butyl to fit the ease-to-patch category best.
@JoPaSantos
@JoPaSantos 11 ай бұрын
With tpu you twist another tpu and then fix it at home.
@ruisantos5746
@ruisantos5746 Жыл бұрын
There are other issues not mentioned in the video: compatibility of some tube types with rim brake bikes and tpu tubes reliability, specifically the valves when using valve extenders with deep rim wheels
@WCIIIReiniger
@WCIIIReiniger 8 ай бұрын
I recently switched to FOSS TPU tubes for 4€ each. They are quite heavy, but you get all the other advantages including a very cheap price, which makes them the best for me as enthusiastic commuter. They are not the best performer and you cannot repair them so easily but for this price I can except a few downsides.
@hayabusa27
@hayabusa27 2 ай бұрын
Tubeless got me stranded so MANY Times! I hate hookless rims and tubeless tires! I am forever into tubes!
@bzai90
@bzai90 Жыл бұрын
Currently running RideNow 36g TPU's (the 2nd gen with the transparent valve stems) they cost about 4 pounds each, compact & easy to carry spares & definitely can feel less rolling resistance when riding. Air retention is decent i suppose, losing about approx 5 psi+- a day. There's even a 19 gram disc only variant. (36g is compatible with rim brakes but they do caution against prolonged braking)
@sipapito
@sipapito 4 ай бұрын
How long is prolonged braking?
@larrymcgoldrick3471
@larrymcgoldrick3471 Жыл бұрын
Also don't know what butyl tubes they are buying but I was running butyl tubes that came in at 72 grams for a 25mm tire, half the weight quoted by GCN.
@jinkang7164
@jinkang7164 Жыл бұрын
Switched from butyl to pirelli TPU tubes. The bike feels more alive for lack of better word. It just feels better, can't really explain but I can definitely forgive the cost of the tubes for the better ride quality.
@Big_Jenks
@Big_Jenks Жыл бұрын
Butyl for me so easy to patch and repair. You didnt mention that in the video.
@mortlow6688
@mortlow6688 Жыл бұрын
patch and repair latex is the same. Use a old latex Innertube for patches works very good + from one innertube you get patches for life...
@cyclingSausage
@cyclingSausage Жыл бұрын
Right after watching this I went out for a ride and got a pinch flat (Butyl tyre). I'm gonna go buy a couple of TPUs to try.
@EatMyPropwash
@EatMyPropwash 7 ай бұрын
Road and tri bike are tubeless, but I carry latex as backup for training, and TPU in the tri bike spare when racing purely for size purposes as I have a lot of other stuff to carry like valve wxtender, valve core removal, co2, inflator head, etc… every mm matters!
@CycleNLincs
@CycleNLincs Жыл бұрын
Tpu is King 👑, can carry two spare tpu tubes for a fraction of the weight and space Vs one butyl. Can still be patched and if you know the sites. Just as cheap as them too.
@KenSmith-bv4si
@KenSmith-bv4si Жыл бұрын
I ride tubeless but, I changed up my "roadside" repair kit went from butyl to carrying two "tubolito" TPU tubes incase I get a flat, I also switch from CO2 carts to carrying a mini pump in my shirt pocket my saddle bag fits under my Fizik Antares 0.0. I was reading the side of the box and Tubolito says you can reuse the tube but, not for a smaller tyre, like if used in a 28mm you can not reuse it in say a 26mm but, a 30mm would be ok.
@PinkAsAPistol
@PinkAsAPistol Жыл бұрын
Just tried a TPU tube on my rear wheel of my daily bike last week. The most pronounced thing is that my tyre felt more supple. They do hold air better than latex but still noticeably worse than butyl. I was always inflating to 110 psi once a week and it would fall to about 80 before inflating again. Tried to do the same thing now and the TPU had 40 psi.
@robertharrison4049
@robertharrison4049 4 ай бұрын
The tubes with removable valve core are prone to leakage. I super glue them in place and that cures the problem.
@StayZero556
@StayZero556 Жыл бұрын
I just can’t bring myself to go tubeless so TPU is my choice. I like that they pack smaller than latex and they’re more robust so I’m not so worried about ruining one just trying to get it mounted.
@Craweats
@Craweats Жыл бұрын
I've been tubeless for 3 years on the road, always carried butyl tubes in case of catastrophic failure. Fortunately it's never happened, but I just switched to TPU for backup. Can easily carry 2 in the space of one butyl. Now I've never installed or ridden them, but for carrying around, they're tops.
@marquesreyes3287
@marquesreyes3287 Жыл бұрын
Install them on your next sealant change, not as comfy as tubeless, but my tubolito's have been just as resilient as tubeless
@Craweats
@Craweats Жыл бұрын
@marquesreyes3287 Thanks! Worth a try.
@Tgiles13
@Tgiles13 Жыл бұрын
Which one stores better? But it would be interesting to put to the test. Climate, rubbing around in a saddle bag, moisture exposure, sun exposure, etc.
@revelationdetailers894
@revelationdetailers894 Жыл бұрын
Old school butyl still. I may give a TPU a shot just to try.
@truthseeker8483
@truthseeker8483 Жыл бұрын
TPU is great just be careful attaching the pump to inflate and careful fitting them
@alexanderkuznetsov4881
@alexanderkuznetsov4881 Жыл бұрын
Tubolito TPU Inner tubes and Vittoria Corsa 28mm tyres is my choice for my Giant TCR.
@bradallen8643
@bradallen8643 Жыл бұрын
Going tubeless for puncture protection and low pressure with TPU backup for space and weight saving in tool kit
@alienaudaxer9827
@alienaudaxer9827 Жыл бұрын
Made the switch to TPUs at the start of the year and have completed 5 audaxes of various distances and a failed PBP attempt. No punctures so far and a noticeable improvement in ride comfort.
@uaproman
@uaproman Жыл бұрын
Recently ordered a pair of TPU tubes on Ali for 6.6$. If they work fine, it will be the best ever profit)
@Likelybiking
@Likelybiking Жыл бұрын
I’ve been carrying TPU tubes for a long time as a tubeless spare. Luckily I’ve ever had to try one so I have no experience with them other than they take almost no space in my saddle bag.
@erins9271
@erins9271 Жыл бұрын
This came at an opportune time as I've had 2 tubes burst just sitting indoors and a number burst with gentle rides and during install.
@tintansigloXXI
@tintansigloXXI Жыл бұрын
I would buy anything from these two guys, they capture the entire essence of the golden age of infomercials
@markusseppala6547
@markusseppala6547 Жыл бұрын
I think how easy it is to patch is an important factor. I run TPU tubes but carry a spare butyl tube and a patch kit.
@orangeorphan
@orangeorphan Жыл бұрын
I’m using TPU tubes and like the feeling, but it is really sad when I have to throw one out (sad because they’re so expensive). However, I’ve found that they can be reliably patched with Park Tools glueless patches. I’m using tire liners as well which significantly reduces the number of punctures I get. Another thing that I don’t think you mentioned is that TPU tubes are temperature sensitive. They can’t be left in direct sunlight when inflated or the glue can fail and that can’t be fixed. And if you have a puncture and are trying to locate it by putting the tube under water, warm water can ruin the tube as well.
@diehardbikes
@diehardbikes Жыл бұрын
Honestly I had no idea that TPU tubes are temp sensitive. That's a big no for me. I was considering it. But I live in Oregon, where we often expect temps north of 100°f and that would surely melt it. That would be like a whole dang oven. Latex will be my bet then.
@orangeorphan
@orangeorphan Жыл бұрын
@@diehardbikes it does only seem to be an issue if the tire is left in direct sunlight and pressurized. It happened to me when I left my bike out in the sun to dry after a wash. So I learned from that one time and now I just let a bunch of air out of the tube before I leave the bike in the sun like that.
@sventice
@sventice Жыл бұрын
@@diehardbikes I have a very hard time believing a hot day, let alone warm water, will damage a TPU tube. According to the American Chemical Society, TPU will begin to soften and degrade at temperatures at or above 93C, which is well above the temperature at which humans will die. This temperature threshold is definitely a concern if you're using TPU tubes with alloy wheels and rim brakes, which can get very hot indeed, or if you're planning a gravel ride on Venus, but otherwise heat tolerance is probably not a legitimate concern. In addition, TPU apparently has a lifespan of about 10-20 years, which is similar to butyl and a lot more than latex. It's not a very fragile material.
@loganmarriott11
@loganmarriott11 Жыл бұрын
Using Latex on all besides my MTB’s (tubeless) Especially useful on the Ultimate Bike (all terrain; light weight gravel bike used for everything from Road Crit races with 25mm, CX, Bike packing, to Single track with 45mm tread) The rolling resistance and cornering confidence of Latex is certainly noticeable vs Butyl. Punctures were repairable with Butyl, but Latex gives better snake bite puncture resistance, which is the more irritating puncture with wider lower pressure tyres when you leave smooth tarmac (of course best solved with tubeless +/- foam cores) Latex allows for tyre changes easily, depending on what’s on that week, whilst maintaining handling performance - where Tubeless this would get messy and cost a lot of sealant. I often pack this bike with various tyre options Yes, Latex do have to be regarded as disposable if punctured - but of the options is the only biodegradable natural rubber if such is your concern. Have TPU as a spare as small & lightweight.
@simoninhyogo
@simoninhyogo Жыл бұрын
TPU for me. But will try latex at some point.
@gaborozorai3714
@gaborozorai3714 Жыл бұрын
Have been using Ride Now TPU for a couple of weeks now. The 36g ones, I paid €33 for a pack of 4. I was skeptical but the comfort and (sensation of?) lower rolling resistance are really something! I wonder if some improvement had been done to the valves: stems are white on mine as opposed to the black that I see in all the videos and air leakage has been negligible so far. It is normal for Chinese companies to come out with basically unfinished products and then improve them as they go, based on customer feedback.
@chrisdavis8399
@chrisdavis8399 Жыл бұрын
Indeed. I’ve been using the 36g on my aero bike and the 24g on my climber for this season and have had zero problems so far. Have about 1500 kms on the 36g and around 1000 kms on the 24g.
@kartografist
@kartografist 11 ай бұрын
Can you please share a link where you usually buy them?
@perrymcguire3806
@perrymcguire3806 Жыл бұрын
I recently tried some latex tubes - which were noticeably lighter than the butyl tubes I'd been using BUT the latex tubes were more sensitive to handle and noisier than the butyl tubes. Also having to inflate them before each ride - even re consecutive days, was a pain. I've now changed back to butyl tubes for autumn/winter riding and will give the latex tubes another go next spring.
@borissmokrovic5829
@borissmokrovic5829 Жыл бұрын
I live in Taiwan and I recently found an unbranded TPU tube for US $ 4...28 grams! And...of course...I had to try. 😂 So far I rode 150 km and they're just fine. No problem at all. Of course I can't predict how long they last...Will see. But, so far so good.
@yvesn58
@yvesn58 7 ай бұрын
Here is my experience with TPU Ridenow tubes (pink ones) in my Bontrager 32mm clinchers. Since it isn't rideable here in winter, I have tested them without riding and get to the conclusion that I will never get far outside with those tubes. Super lightweight is appealing for sure at 36g, that's 1/3 of a butyl tube. Saving 150g for both tubes is awesome but what about reliability? I installed 4 TPU's, none of them was satisfactory. 4 failed out of 4 ! Without pinching it at the installation, 2 got pinholes (so tiny, almost invisible) after inflating, the other 2 were leaking at the valve. Problems were observed not instantly but overnight or several days after with dramatic lost of pressure. I wouldn't go out with such unreliable tubes and probable lack of pressure through a 2-3 hour ride. I didn't test other TPU brands but the ones with metal stem may be better, I don't know?
@baychev
@baychev 10 күн бұрын
You missed to mention the tube explosion risk. 3 times butyl tubes exploded on me after puncture, the last time I managed to damage a wheel. No more butyl for me ever since.
@sunshinecycling
@sunshinecycling 2 ай бұрын
Great indecisive conclusion
@rachaelmurray8051
@rachaelmurray8051 Жыл бұрын
Switched to latex on my road bike in 2017 and have never looked back. Light, comfortable, fast.
@PaulVerlaan
@PaulVerlaan Жыл бұрын
What about patching to repair punctures? How do the 3 types compare?
@matthewblue7839
@matthewblue7839 Жыл бұрын
Pirelli tpu kit working fine here.
@SingaporeUntold
@SingaporeUntold Жыл бұрын
Butyl is easy. About a min. Tpu requires 30 min dry time. I’ve heard some people complain they couldn’t repair a tpu. I myself had no issue to repair.
@kevingregoire1042
@kevingregoire1042 Жыл бұрын
All 3 are patchable and repairable. Thicker Butyl patches on performance tyres (thinner) can often lead to a noticeable hard spot when riding. Thin butyl patches exist but they don’t resist well to road tyre pressures. Latex uses the same vulcanizing glue as Butyl, with better absorption, patches made out of latex cut-outs are the way to go, latex tubes thus maintain their original performance and can be repaired multiple times. You can also service latex tubes with a little talcum refresh , it maintains performance, prevents adhesion and abrasion and limits pinches during remount. (Latex tubes often come with talcum in the box…) TPU uses a different glue, tpu cut outs are also the way to go and thus maintain the original performance threw multiple patches repairs on those more costy tubes ( like latex) TPU exists in regular and ultralight thickness (UL only for disc brakes) Ultralight TPU might be sensitive and harder to permanently repair maintaining original performances, especially on the side of the road. They are all three roadside repairable, latex demands latex experience because moderately more fragile, experienced latex operator will avoid bead pinch at inflation and damage with levers. Very Tight rims/tyres combos should be extra careful with latex and thin ultralight TPU
@SkylarsRnD
@SkylarsRnD Жыл бұрын
​@@kevingregoire1042nice write up! That helped answer a few good questions I had. Thanks!
@aldepal
@aldepal Жыл бұрын
In my experience the TPU tubes with plastic or non metallic valve shafts are more prone to slow leaks
@user-cx2bk6pm2f
@user-cx2bk6pm2f Жыл бұрын
Love that Canyon Aeroad. A superb bike!
@brianwaldrop3506
@brianwaldrop3506 Жыл бұрын
Alex, how are you liking the Aeroad? I've had mine 3 months now, same color, Force, and LOVING it!! Is that YOUR bike?
@fabianbinder3681
@fabianbinder3681 Жыл бұрын
I used Latex for a while. Loved the performance but hated the daily airing ritual. Went then back to butyl (ultralight). I only discovered TPU tubes a month ago and went for them. Direct from China they are cheaper than butyl (ultra light butyl at least) and they have a significantly lower carbon footprint as well.
@vitormendes8194
@vitormendes8194 Жыл бұрын
TPU inner tubes from Ridenow cost less then a fiver. Best value for money/performance. I only go tubeless on gravel or mtb, not on road tires. Tubeless tires are heavier than folding tires with tpu clinchers so i don't see a big diference considering the cost of one tire over the other.
@kartografist
@kartografist 11 ай бұрын
Can you please share a link where you usually buy them?
@danielvanderklok8138
@danielvanderklok8138 5 ай бұрын
Thanks. The price on TPU tubes is coming down steadily. I just picked up one set which I think I am going to put on my son's bike. I am trying to to decide on ordering another set for me and for spares or if I should go tubless. Also debating on getting new tires to go from 25 to 28 mill.
@johnwestwell2241
@johnwestwell2241 Жыл бұрын
Some tpu tubes (such as Tubolito and Vittoria) are not recommended for use with wheels used with rim brakes, as the heat build up can cause the tubes to melt/deform. Make sure you check before you buy if you use rim brakes.
@chriskotting
@chriskotting 11 ай бұрын
I recently changed over to TPU tubes, and I was shocked at the weight reduction, rolling resistance and increased comfort. As Alex said, "it's a thing."
@owensnicholas
@owensnicholas Жыл бұрын
I switched to latex a couple years ago and haven’t looked back. The difference in comfort was noticeable. I don’t mind having to fill them each time. I would anyway. So I just overfill them a bit the night before and deflate to the target pressure when I start the ride.
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
Sounds like you've got a good system! For those that loved to keep on top of their bike details latex tubes are great. Those of us that prefer to just get on and ride Latex might not be the best option. 👀
@owensnicholas
@owensnicholas Жыл бұрын
@@gcntech I totally agree. Butyl and TPU are probably more convenient - especially if you're talking about a commuter bike.
@keepitreal1547
@keepitreal1547 Жыл бұрын
One very big point being missed here, is ease of fitment one first use & equally importantly on second, third use etc. Butyl comes out on top as it doest expand after once used like latex & touch do. Also with butyl being a thicker material, it's more robust when fitting. Great care needs to be taken with latex & touch, both of which are much less robust & have stretched much bigger than their new shape, once fitted. For performance tpu or latex. For other usage outside of performance, butyl.
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