What are we doing with the Titan class exactly?

NOT nastyyyyyyyy
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[@tgoly84]

This was so enjoyable. Our titan daddy has been living a double (say triple?) life lately. EDIT: Bungie hates Titans.

[@PocketTuna]

Titan Daddy provides

[@yoursleepparalysisdemon6086]

I don't think bungie hates Titans, just titan players

[@PocketTuna]

@@yoursleepparalysisdemon6086 That's probably more accurate

[@Demented_Zeal]

That’s a good #. #bungiehatestitans

[@Blind3866]

I think at this point the Rework idea might be the way to go. Like others i feel that there is not alot of hope for Titans. Any time someone finds something that performs even a LITTLE better than other ways, it gets nerfed. One hit tackle kills( Goodbye Skullfort), Throwing Hammer tracking( Staring at Hunter Throwing knives from around the corner), Lost shield throws, Bubble nerfs, Thundercrash Dmg Nerfs. Stasis as a whole. What are we left with at this point? At the crux of this, I once again point at Bungie not having any one who mains and prioritizes Titans leading Titan changes. So evreything from Creativity, to changes, to balancing, etc is all based on what hunters and Warlocks feel, and not what Titans feel. As a Titan, I feel at a significant disadvantage when everything I do is literall arm's length away when my other two types of teammates are at range with EVERYTHING. Titans having Knock out or Synthoceps were modifiers to bring us into the range that Warlocks or Hunters got with throwing knives, dodges, fireballs, charged grenades. What are we supposed to even do? Being in melee is hyper dangerous in PvE and PvP because there is no advantage in it, but its the one thing we are " Supposed" To excel at. I don't see how anymore.

[@clxckb4it340]

1 hit tackles still exist in the form of peregrines (idk how to spell it) throwing hammer to be fair wasnt meant to be a huge kill thing like hunter knife hunter knife made solar hunter it is the identity lost shield throws? void still has that idk what game your playing bubble nerfs made sense as the legit best super in the game for trials etc so it actually has a counter now thundercrash damage nerf? pve nothing changed pvp you cant just get a free roaming super with shutdown super cooldown you actually need to be decent at the game with it statis ill give you that titan statis isnt the best rn hunter solar is well the knife thats the whole thing if you complain about the knife so much just go play hunter solar for that you have 3 character slots also when did hunter got a fireball or charged grenades? and arc titan has charged grenades with all that said and almost half of your claims just being wrong (like saying titans dont have this and that when they do-) you arnt wrong about statis but titans now actually need to be decent at the game to use abilitys effectively, and well you guys have alot more then what meets the eye

[@Blind3866]

@@clxckb4it340 your name says everything. Throwing hammers were and have been the go to for solar titans since day 1. An ability that recharges bt picking it back up. Seemed good until hunters started having throwing knives that track around corners for 1HKO. And now have a knife that taps multi targets and RETURNS to them. Shield throws, what i mean by that is horrible tracking and common shield throws that end up becoming a frisbee while flying off the edge while the hunter is busy tbagging you from having dodged it. Thundercrash PvE was nerfed in multiple forms and unless you wear the cuirass of the falling star cant compete with other supers in terms of dmg. Oh and lets not forget its one of only 3 supers that can be done ranged without manor risk to being stomped or outright killed by a boss. The biggest complaint we have as Titans is that the identity, aka the Warrior, doesn’t fit with the class setups currently availible due to Bungie’s failed creativity. 6 supers are all roaming supers that are the same M1/M2 style click. Bubble is useless compared to a well( its buffs are actually overriden and are weaker, plus you cant shoot out of a bubble so its even worse of an issue when you have to stand in a specific spot for dps)

[@clxckb4it340]

@@Blind3866 on the topic of roaming supers lets see warlocks have 5 hunters have 5 titans have 6 all classes already have 5 or more roaming titans being the melee class already got another one and hell talk about names you literally "blind" (makes sense with how much complaining you do) and titans hammer still can be picked up and if you can aim you get a kill hunters 1hit knife only tracks around corners with a exotic or they get really lucky and just chuck it across the map and knifes returning? unless you have radiant with knock em down or gamblers dodge no shield throws to be fair is pretty shit and hell if the hunter is tbagging your ass after dodging a shit melee just shoot them? idk use one of the *few* broken things in this game then rely on abilitys and the 1 time it doesnt work or you get killed by it you go complain in a yt comment and tcrash also being reliaint on cuirass (or however you spell it) is a fair complaint in pvp its nolonger the roaming shutdown super but in pve its like warlocks where all of the supers kinda suck (atleast for arc) and hell theres alot of supers where you dont need to kiss your enemy to get it to work tcrash blade barrage both goldys both crossbows chaos reach throwy hammers silk strike sorta cause its got huge range needle storm "iTs onLY oNe of 3" my ass (unless you just worded it wrong) bubble still good tho just idk walk out of it go back in reload repeat? unless moving a little bit to the right or left is to much for you to handle

[@Blind3866]

@@clxckb4it340 Warlock Supers in Solar are Either a Flying Ranged Sword swing, or a OP Healing Buff circle that overwrites Titans Bubble and doesn't keep you from shooting without dancing in and out of it. Hunter Solars are either a Barrage of knives that can be powerful as any super, Or a roaming RANGED super that one taps players/adds. So both of the other classes are Ranged with the exception of Warlocks with the strongest buff ability in game. Which to be fair, i am fine with it, just tweak the Bubble titan so that their super still has a place in it, instead of being useless. Titans have 2 Roaming supers, one of which is ranged for a change but their melee is useless on more than50% of PvE bosses due to stomp/knock back effects or having Raid requirements of " please stand in this bubble to do dmg to boss" Void: Hunters, you guys are all over this with either a super that makes you invisible all teh time, or a super that either invalidates other supers in PvP, or provides a Massive Debuff to PvE targets, once again is stronger than Titan Bubble buffs. warlocks have a giant 1 shot with customizable options( big blast or small) Titans either have bubble( which folks won't even bother with the bubble, they will just go after the titan now that there are crit spots) which means when the titan dies, the bubble goes. Which is unlike the Warlock Well, which stays even if the warlock dies. Not balanced. Arc: Hunter ARC either has a Ranged DoT Thunder pulsing Spear, or a Roaming Melee super that can reflect all other supers and be extended heavily through the use of an exotic. Warlocks take a loss here as the Kamehameha will either clear a room or be blasted out of the air, but cant compete with hunters or titans in terms of dmg, even with their exotic. Titans have Thundercrash, which has become the defacto default for most of them, and the same M1M2 roaming melee super as Sentinel and Spin Hammer Solar Stasis: Titans are again, M1+M2 Melee range. hunters have the infamous tornado of infinite, and Warlocks have the infinite range freezy nova Strand: Titans are again M1+M2 melee range. Hunters also are roaming super BUUUT have the advantage that their attacks are launched to a Mid range distance. Warlocks have their Void Super. Titan Roaming Melees( Arc, Solar*, Void, Stasis, Strand. Asterisk is that 2nd Solar super is still roaming but will lose to a hunter solar super or warlock solar super due to speed and tracking) the 3" I mentioned earlier are the fact that TCrash, Bubble, and Throwing hammers are the most unique we get, but bubble is invalidated at every turn. PvP or PvE and make up the remainder of the Supers we have. If you look at them as being Roaming vs Non Roaming is 6 to 2. 6 being roaming, 2 being NOn roaming( T crash and Bubble)

[@PocketTuna]

Get 'em!!!!

[@kozilekshadow3470]

As a titan main i feel like I'm getting pushed away from the class. It's like bungie wants to get rid of titan. And that's not groovy and makes me Wana stop maintaining titan and just swap to hunter or even warlock some of the better pvp exotics are getting nerfed like dunemartchers there chain is getting reduced to 12 from 20 and dmg 85 to 50 I don't know why bungie is murdering the titan class.

[@kozilekshadow3470]

Sorry the chain is getting reduced by 20 to 12 meters

[@maplemaple2273]

That's just a supposed leak, but might not be true. So hold out for hope.

[@toadmermaid4592]

As another titan main here, WHAT. No, titans are still a top tier class. We literally have the most survivability in PVE and can run any level content easy af lol. Please don't base your thoughts around PVP, which is broken as hell anyways. (Still, titans are extremely versatile in PVP. Hunters and warlocks don't stand up to them)

[@maplemaple2273]

@@toadmermaid4592 Have you played Solar Warlock? Solar Warlock is a way better survivalist. And I'm not even talking about Well.

[@deranemira7230]

​@@toadmermaid4592 titan in PvE can survive but most of it super are not useful against boss the only one I think do the work are hammer / bubble (thunder crash if you suicidal enough ) other class outmatch the survival aspect look at hunter invis and warlock Devo or resto and there super being dps focus mean they can do a better job pvp is another stories but overall titan are op in pvp ( due to there passive gameplay ) but lacking in PvE

[@fragment1296]

I miss the future soldier vibe Titans used to have in D1 when we were taken serious when we had a real identity when we were that moving juggernaut of death no matter what subclass we chose not just some w holding crayon eating punch machine I miss being more.

[@PocketTuna]

People ask me often why do I like Destiny 1 so much. My answer is always, Titans were cooler back then

[@optumis1433]

I know what you mean, the sci fi soldier vibe is what drew to to the titan in D1. But it doesn’t have a subclass that gives that power fantasy. The closest thing is Gunslinger because it uses a gun

[@PocketTuna]

@@optumis1433 YUP

[@optumis1433]

@@PocketTuna if titans had a rifleman type subclass, I’d still be a titan main

[@PocketTuna]

@@optumis1433 Like veteran sharpshooter in Darktide

[@DJungleskoggs]

I hate how this season alone titans have been nerfed around ten times Like sythos shoulder charge bubble and thunder crash hoil But young ahamkaras and starfire stay the same And I’m happy that someone is actually talking about how titans right now are getting so shafted in terms of viability and a lot of our exotics are punch a And they get nerfed, the ones that are neutral get nerfed and the only times I hear people talk about titan is asking for another nerf we have 1 burst super thundercrash and it gets nerfed we have bubble it gets nerfed our “identity” is punching but our punching sucks and we didn’t get twilight garrison because Icarus dash was a warlock identity but warlock identity in d2 is blink and what happened in arc 3.0 hunters get blink it seems like identity gets thrown around and is a stupid way to try justify half the dumb shit they do in this game And the only time titans have gotten the improved grenades aspect the best grenade storm grenades get nerfed and there’s the warlock solar 3.0 fusion grenades haven’t been touched and they’re by far the most broken grenade in the game There’s also exotic choices we have are very limited because they’re either not effective at all Were effective but got nerfed Are slightly helpful Whereas warlocks and hunters have so many choices for good exotics here’s 5 on each class Hunter: bakris, young ahamkaras, star eaters, gyrfalcons, and the real great thing the best melee exotic liars handshake (not even on titan) Warlocks: starfire, sunbracers, nezarecs, necrotic grips and dawn chorus Titans: HOIL (got nerfed) Sythos (got nerfed) Lorely (got nerfed) There’s almost nothing else I can think of that’s on par with the hunter exotics and warlock exotics Sorry for the rant but this just pisses me off

[@PocketTuna]

It pisses me off too. Feel free to rant, that's why I make these videos in the first place, so I can talk to players like you. I want our voices heard

[@aroyalduck167]

Titans are more fucking annoying than any other class in the game. Bubble, constant sheilds with oversheilds, Lorely, One eyed, Dunemarchers, PK's, One shot melee kill for most subclasses, a health regen on melee. The maps catering to the PK's meta. Yall deserve all the nerfs coming your way.

[@DJungleskoggs]

@@aroyalduck167 bubbles been nerfed anyone can get over shields Lorely has been nerfed dunemarchers is getting nerfed if you’re complaining about oem that’s a skill issue pks arent getting nerfed so cry about it Only time a melees one hits is with peregrines health regen is on one subclass If we’re gonna complain about supers and annoying melees stasis warlockmelee, smoke bomb being bugged to do 30 dps in pvp and kills through bubble, void warlock, warlocks arc aspect melee one hits if one person is in a 20m radius And annoying supers we got 30 second golden guns with 2000 AA One knife kill blade barrage with the biggest explosions Tether in general Silence and squall Needlestorm needing one needle to kill and has insane tracking Stasis warlock super Well Nova bombs that kill you through walls But yeah bubble is something you complain about because you don’t want your things getting nerfed Maps aren’t catering to pks they cater to smgs but you can’t think maybe the guns the problem not the exotic you’d hope an exotic to improves an archetype of weapon would improve the weapon just completely ignore the fact that most exotic bows are broken especially with oathkeepers so let’s nerf oathkeepers using your logic doesn’t make sense does it brain dead hunter

[@aroyalduck167]

@@DJungleskoggs Lorely still increases ttk by around .4-.35 secs if I recall correctly, Dunmarchers currently one shot teams, Ballistic slam One-Shots, Charge also one shots, Cry about it simply shows how pathetic your exuces are, basically just the typical, stupid, average titan main, Arc titan is meta so health regen is constantly everywhere, void hunters have been seeing rly low usage as per my observations, Golden gun and blade barrage has a long charge up time fyi, Tethers have really low health, 800 health is a high amount for a teir 5 super, can shoot through well or nuke it with a super, Your quote-un Quote busted oathkeepers retort is dumb caus Oathkeepers only makes bow's be able to hold their draw forever, something which cancelling the shot and reaiming already sidesteps, Stasis warlock is busted tbf, Silence and squall can be outrun by a 80 year old Grandpa, Needlestorm not usually going where Aiming. Your retorts don't make sense now do they braindead titan?

[@DJungleskoggs]

@@aroyalduck167 no point in arguing when all this is is just me talking to a brick wall

[@vengeful_asura1382]

I feel like they should have kept with the motif of us summoning weapons with our abilities/super These are my ideas if we do get a rework: Void: Personally I feel like the shield works with the class, void titan is one of the few things i still enjoy on titan, but they need to rework some of the abilities deffinitly. (Rip my vexcalibur synthoceps build) Solar: I wish that Solar titan had more of a support focus considering that even solar 3.0 hunter can make allies radiant with just their dodge. And the idea of summoning somthing like a flaming banner that buffs allies near you and charging into battle with it just sounds really cool and fitting for a class thats suppose to be on the front lines leading the charge. maybe double the banner as a flaming spear like I"ve heard Pocket Tuna mention before in previous videos? Arc: Best idea I could come up with for arc is actually to take the hammers from solar and put it on Arc titan, and just make him straight up Thor. Its easy to envision, its iconic and i have no other ideas please send help. Stasis: ive been raking my brain ever since this video got posted on what weapon could come out of stasis for titans. I woulden't mind if we still had one subclass left over as the RETURN TO MONKEY mentality that bungie shoehorns titan into. But alternate supers/melee abilities would go a long way to improve the class by a mile. Strand: Ho boy strand, I 100% subscribe to the idea that we should have gotten a ranged option for strand like the Mini gun concept people have talked about. Instead of 2 exacto knifes strapped to our arms. What I'm mostly disappointed about is that strand titan doesn't have an identity like its strand cousins (warlock has threadlings, hunter has grapple) and before you argue that suspend is strand titans thing let me remind you that in my opinion Warlock and Hunter have better suspend capabilities than titan. Warlocks can consume a grenade to cause suspending explosions when they kill, and can combine that with necrotic poison to great effect. While hunters literally have a suspend dive that, yes, takes up their dodge but doesn't require an exotic to make it work like Titans or Warlocks do. I personally feel that titans abilities/aspects should have focused more on Woven Mail, It fits the Titan Motif of being the frontline tank and positions them to have a more supportive role with strand which the warlock doesn't take up for once. Sorry for the essay but im really passionate for titan to be represented better.

[@justpazzingby13]

I've always fantasized about the Stasis Titan Super creating an Absolute Zero Dome where people can't jump or dodge and are continuously slowed until frozen. It would have been cool is Strand Titan Super was like a Devastator from Prototype's Alex Mercer.

[@SympatheticArsenal]

​@@justpazzingby13 Could be the second Stasis Super option if Bungie ever wanted to give Stasis the Light 3.0 treatment.

[@SympatheticArsenal]

@Vengeful_Asura I like your spirit, but imo Striker would be perfectly fine to be left as the *"RETURN TO MONKE"* subclass. As for Stasis, a spear always made sense for me instead of just frozen fists. I mean there's literally an Aspect (Diamond Lance) which summons throwable spear.

[@PocketTuna]

Never apologize for the essays I read all of them! I would not be opposed to arc getting a hammer aswell. Distinguis it by making it closer to D1 sunbreaker witht he melee attack, but instead of throwing multiple hammers just have one throwable but you can recall it like God of War Leviathan Axe. OR just straight up make it a throwable axe

[@Aidpatient3216]

what about a lance for stasis scene we already have diamond lance?

[@xwx8037]

People hate on titans melee because it’s how they die to titans 90% of the time.. But it is literally all they have so nerfing it again is stupid

[@PocketTuna]

Exactly.

[@comdnoive]

Bungie doesn't know what to do with Titan because none of their devs play Titan.

[@PocketTuna]

I have on pretty good authority that's very true

[@gigachadtheslumpgod6727]

I am convinced they're terrified of our potential.

[@PocketTuna]

They're quaking in their boots!!!

[@Juan-ul8xk]

Yes 'sir

[@Space_CowboyXV]

I will never forgive bungie for taking what was good about Hammer of Sol in D1 and giving it all to Dawnblade.

[@PocketTuna]

God, I cannot wait to make a video on this

[@VargasTheOne]

real but they prob wont lend us the hand we desperately need

[@PocketTuna]

Trying to push the issue as much as I can

[@stevenclover415]

warlocks had their base melee length fixed and shortened years ago

[@PocketTuna]

Ophidia aspects increase base melee range for them like synthoceps.

[@Squid-wizard]

And now that’s 100 more lmaoo, this channel is growing at such an insane rate I find it hard to believe you aren’t at 10k yet, the effort you put into these is astonishing and ur actually my motivation to try to become a KZbinr

[@PocketTuna]

Do it man!!! We can collaborate :-)

[@jorrdanpodbilski1210]

Subbing because we need more Titan main youtubers

[@PocketTuna]

All the old Titan mains switched on us!!

[@bioatlas1173]

titans need to be the tank of the game. We already specialize in dr so why doesnt bungo make us tanks and crowd controlers, that fits better with the idea of stalwart defender. We provide frontline damage reduction and healing to our teammates on every class but arc, arc is our grenade class but they took away the broad use of the class and didnt buff the niche. They can still keep a melee background but still give us weapon utility too. All our best builds focus around overshields and volitile heals, sunspot (which gives restoration and damage reduction and cooldown reduction), and woven mail, this should be delved in on more byy the design team in the future.

[@PocketTuna]

Agreed. They're too afraid to go all in on anything and it's annoying

[@Fenyxclips]

Titans definitely need a refresher and rework. The Thundercrash nerf made no sense even! What I find bs was when Synthos got nerfed from Winterbite was busted. 1 million with the melee damage was worth the risk! Being pushed to be in the fight but also feel useness in that same fight really takes away from what Titans are. Honestly Berserker feels great for a melee based subclass. Moreso than every other one! Though would take a different melee than just the super light attack. Maybe a spear that can cause Suspend but also Sever depending on the use. Similar to the mini hammer in a way. Or just make Titans what they truly are and take a risk by combining all three classes together. Allow us to completely customise what our Guardians are capable of. Yes there will be some insanely powerful builds, but at the same time, gives many more options to choose from. Want to be a Touch of Thunder Crown of Tempest Stormcaller? Go for it. Want to have Mask of Bakris with Behemoth and Shiverstrike? Have fun! Want to run Bladefury with Mask of the Quiet One, Threaded Spike, Ensnaring Slam and Empowering Rift (personal choice)? Rightfully waiting for you! May be better just making our own Class identity instead of the classic "Hunter Identity" or "Titan Identity." Just getting ridiculous that melee Exotics keep getting nerfed when a majority of them are for Titans next to the rubberbanding being hugely problematic. I don't want to circle an enemy in my super trying to hit them or completely miss due to going through instead of connecting! Hell, even the melees alone fail to connect correctly! What good can Titans be when all we can do is punch and that gets nerfed?! Nerfs need to be *justified* before anything! Like The Immortal currently. That SMG will be nerfed soon. Just seems that whenever any sort of nerf comes around, a majority of the time it'll be something about Titans getting hit by a nerf(s) while the others have buffs (looking at the Starfire build). Expecting Synthos to be nerfed once again due to the Winterbite bug instead of the bug actually being addressed correctly. But watch Berserker gain a nerf anyway for no reason.

[@clxckb4it340]

the tcrash did make sense it was and still is the only roaming shutdown super it had the best of both worlds and make the other super useless synthos + winterbite being nerfed made sense synthos without a glavie probably would be reverted although if you actually think 1million damage without using any ammo or resources was ok idk what to tell you

[@PocketTuna]

@@clxckb4it340 to this i would say of all the shutdown supers it contains the biggest risk and it's the one that's the easiest to shutdown itself.

[@PocketTuna]

We need some risk taking with the class for sure

[@ragingzerith]

Btw I love that exotic you had in the beginning AC/DC feedbacks with new fragment is crazy

[@PocketTuna]

It’s so damn fun lol ya know, until it gets nerfed lol

[@ragingzerith]

@@PocketTuna Fr it’s the only pvp melee exotic left….

[@maplemaple2273]

Titans need some serious help, honestly. At this point everything we have, or more accurately HAD, feels like it can be done way better by the other two classes at this point? You want to be a tank? Just run Solar Warlock and its multiple sources of Restoration ×2. You want to be a Support/Buff Bot? Just run Solar Warlock. You want good, consistent, Melee Builds? Just run Solar Warlock or Solar Hunter. Like, Bubble is useless in PvE as things stand. It's best for its 25% Damage Buff, which is, at this point, just worse Radiant. (Due to Radiant being the exact same Buff %, and having Anti Barrier.) And as a Defensive Super, it'll never be as good as Well, since it's easy enough to get pushed out of your Bubble in High End content, or get trapped within it, and just die. As opposed to Well which provides insane healing, and lets you shoot enemies from within it, allowing you to put down potential threats, including the Barrier Champions that Well is naturally effective against. And then there's the fact that Melee Builds are just... not that good outside of Throwing Hammer with Synthos. Like, where's the chaos like with the Warlock Melees? Where's the utility like with Hunter Melees? Where's the consistency of either one? Where's the variety? And then there's just Thundercrash being the one damage "Burst" Super available to Titans and it's a bag of ass without Cuirass, and even with Cuirass, I'd still chalk it up amongst the worst Burst supers, only realistically being worse than Chaos Reach. If a Burst super cannot kill a Champion, it's a huge problem. Regular Thundercrash's Damage is a joke in all content in PvE, and I'd even still probably just be better off using Guns, even with Cuirass equipped. The fact that there are so many points where I'd actively prefer to just not use the majority of the Titan supers is a huge problem, and they need anything from a buff for the majority of them. (Hammer of Sol and Strand Super are fine though, if they fix Strand Super's horribly inconsistent melees.) At this point, a nerf to Synthos would be close to the final nail in the coffin. We already lost most of our identity and unique capabilities. (I mean, seriously, a Glaive that grants Void Overshields to allies, while fun, feels specifically like a massive fuck you to Void Titans.) There's no need for Bungie to take a fair Exotic that isn't all too problematic and shoot it in the back room like how they did with Citan's. (Which really wasn't a necessary nerf in PvE, but I get the PvP needing it nerfed.) I kinda lost the plot with this anyways, but the point is that Titans are massively lacking in value to take into content over Warlocks and Hunters, and at this point, don't do anything that particularly stands out.

[@PocketTuna]

Very well said. That's the key word there. VALUE. What Value does Titan bring that the other 2 classes don't? The answer is not much. Overshield and void and that's it.

[@maplemaple2273]

@@PocketTuna And even Overshield is hard pressed right now with Vexcalibur being basically just a portable Bastion, but with none of the cooldown downsides.

[@notorlando1948]

Since we’re talking bout titans. How would ya’ll feel if they added a new super for Behemoth? (And the other classes too of course) The titan would launch a huge diamond lance into the sky then breaks off into a rain of regular sized diamond lances. The rain of lances would last 3-4 seconds but deal good damage and roam a little bit (similar to Silence and Squall on hunter) The lances would freeze and shatter targets or create a stasis crystal if it hits the ground. Personally I would love it because: A) I would no longer have to use shitty booty ass Glacial Quake B) It would be nice to have a titan, one off, super that could compete with Thundercrash since that’s the only burst damage super we got. Thanks for reading and let me know your thoughts if you came all the way down here!

[@clxckb4it340]

i dont think the roam part is a good idea but this should just be a statis blade barrage im unsure if making crystals on the ground and shatter freeze is a good idea (gamebugs lag and just general balance) ild say ignore the crystal part and you got a balanced good super

[@PocketTuna]

I am completely down for it. As a matter of fact, I think it's necessaary. Glacial quake is dogwater

[@prettysoIdier]

EXACTLY what I’ve been saying. Bungie says Titans are the melee class but nerf all our melee exotics and powered melees, but give hunters the strongest melee build with an infinite loop? And exactly why do warlocks need extended range on Ophidians, when they have ranged melees? Glad they’re removing it. And hunters can one-hit kill with a throwing knife, AND they get it back recharged on kill? Bungie really giving us the Titan Melee identify of a Trex. I feel like the butler in Scary Movie 2 with my strong hand.

[@PocketTuna]

Lmaooo chasing after my missed hammer like a fuckin idiot

[@gibster9624]

Arc Hunters damn near check off every box of a melee build without even using mods to help round it out. (Ability up time chaining the melee with the class ability, damage, add clear, healing... twice, Damage reduction from 2 difference sources 3 if you count resilience, ability to close the gap with increased sprint and dodge because it's awesome watching a vandal back pedal backwards faster than we can sprint forward and they can shoot the entire time.) Even at peak Titan melee meta we could only dream of having half of these up at a given time and hunters can do all of that without mods or an exotic. Had a great Peregrine grieves build that used to be amazing in GMs while 25 levels under but I needed to have something with void burn for it to shine. I used to be able to get champions finishable, do a finisher get my melee back pick up an arc well, increase my melee damage and then one shot the next champion all while being invis the entire time. Now on Master while only being down 20 levels I can barely get them to 1/3 health and no where near finishable. Every melee builds should be focusing on what the Hunter Melee has. Whether that comes from mods, aspects, fragments, or the exotics there is no way you can keep pushing the Titan fantasy and keep underselling it. On top of that Shield Bash got a nerf to it's cool down and with Tier 10 strength and 3 armor charges I'm still unable to get my melee back but a hunter doesn't even have to build into strength to be able to have their melee at all times. My guess with so many abilities getting buffed by 20% to accommodate higher tier enemies getting more health that's probably as much as they increased those enemies. At least for PVE let me be able to at least get to 3 armor charge stacks off of one melee kill. Buff the amount of melee energy gained from both melee kickstart as well as 1-2 finisher but different values separating PVP and PVE. Take away the annoying 6 second cooldown from Focusing strike, no one is going to use it in PVP if it has a 2 second invisible cooldown. Give void the ability to create void breaches intrinsically just like arc has for Ionic traces and dang near every solar ability has with scorch. Absolutely no reason I need to run one fragment that let's me make enemies volatile and completely different fragment to turn volatile enemies and create void breaches. It's dumb. And for the love of god cut the 101 cooldown from bastion down a bit since tier 10 resilience doesn't effect it anymore a x3 increase to it's timer is just overkill. I had several different melee builds using different exotics to show people titan's had other good exotics outside of HoiL and now I have one good melee build and it's sounding like it's hanging by a thread at the moment it's just dumb at this point. It's just sad that all the way back in before WQ dropped they said they want to encourage more melee builds. I had that and now it's in a state that is unacceptable by any standard for melee builds in a shooter.

[@gibster9624]

All I'm saying in short is I'm really down from seeing all of these nerfs to Titans that unless we can get a win somewhere I might just have to take a break from the game. Remember back in the day when rapid heavy weapon kills could produce orbs? Or how we used to generate more heavy ammo with just an exotic? Titan's are at their best when they can have some variety. It can be the big gunner class, It can be the melee/frontline tank class, and it can be the big explosion grenade spamming siege machine tearing down the wall class or it can be the high utility class. And in one foul swoop they took so much identity away from Titans I just don't even know anymore.

[@clxckb4it340]

arc titans check off both hunter and warlock builds hello? arc titans have warlocks nades hunters dodge better melee damage (thunderclap with synthos even after the nerf do 200,000 damage without any other buffs) dr reduction thats fair but you also have dr and resilience is TITANS LITERAL CLASS ABILITY sounds like copeium and are you really complaining about the red bar vandal able to run away from you? just shoot- YOU HAVE 3 GUNS USE THEM also no hunters cant do all of that without the exotic- hunters get 2 actual forms of dr without it (being the dodge and the fragment which you have access to the fragment) hunter melee is weak without liars handshake titans do more damage and gets health regen with knockout

[@cerberus8663]

from the strand super to all the melee nerfs bungie need to make up their mind on what they want titans to be cause i am tried of them not know and if they destroy titans any more then they have well i am ok with not picking up the final shape when it comes out next year ( i started the story with my titan i want to end the story with them you know )

[@PocketTuna]

Don't know how much Titan abuse I can take lol

[@Ungalo872]

Audio quality crispy

[@PocketTuna]

C R I S P as fuck. Sponsor me lol

[@DoughboyHYFR]

Preach the good word my brother keep the fight against us titans going

[@PocketTuna]

Til my dying breath, I'm here for you guys

[@escapo_]

Zavala couldn't take the nerfs

[@PocketTuna]

😭

[@PPmannnnn]

Time to play the “find the hunter and warlock” game (aka find the ppl who complain about Titan and say all Titan exotics should get nerfed but they stay quiet when their precious starfire or wormcrutch is at stake)

[@PocketTuna]

They're everywhere

[@Masticatius]

LOL before this video I had never heard of you. this rant put you to the top of my favourite Titan! Up there with DFP!!

[@PocketTuna]

Thank you, thank you!

[@playlonix5798]

I think shoulder charge needs a mayor buff (mostly in pvp) because shoulder charge exotics like skullfort or mk44 stand asides have no real use in pvp because even if you hit an enemy they just jump away and you die and because shouldercharge doesnt one hit kill skullfort is just completely useless. I think its also stupid you have to use your exotic slot only so you can one hit again.

[@PocketTuna]

At the very least I just want the old tracking back if it’s not going to one hit anymore

[@kristophercraigd]

Give us our syper punch back

[@Mashamazzi]

Subbing just for that Pokimane bit lmao👌

[@PocketTuna]

lmao thanks

[@BlightedRefulgence]

I agree with a rework I feel titan should encapsulate cqc as a whole and being rather tanky you know kinda what you'd think when you see one

[@PocketTuna]

100% either go all in or change the identity

[@CHEETHAM5598]

Strand pulse? Ayo, where can I cop this? 👀

[@PocketTuna]

I mispoke dont judge me! lol

[@CHEETHAM5598]

@@PocketTuna I was genuinely excited that there was one haha

[@roryvanberkel4139]

Buff titan uncharged melee damage by 15-20%, and have it passively apply an effect similar to spark of resistance (but weaker). This will enable more one two combos with weapons in pvp, and lean into the "berserker" fantasy/style of play in pve.

[@cesarv1503]

Bruh ur high as fuck, knockout would be even more broken

[@PocketTuna]

I actually agree lol

[@Nomadx83]

Titan class need a big buff on a lot of aspects

[@PocketTuna]

I agree big time

[@draysmusicalshtposts6340]

Bungie really needs to take that "destiny spin" they talk about so much and APPLY it to the future soldier/warrior fantasy that Titans aim to fulfill both in game and lore. We're immortal space magic wielding soldiers with guns, yet Titans hail from a rich in-universe history in which our powers are used to flavor that future soldier identity with ancient tradition of Knights and Warriors. Different orders have vastly different schools of thought on what it means to be a Titan and it'd be great if the game started to reflect that lineage and history in our Light subclasses, while the dark subclasses (being states by Bungie to be more related to consciousness) would deviate from that theming given these powers are new to us in-game and thus lack that lineage. Arc Titans are point man for last city operations. Stalwart, proud, and militant, they'd embody that cross between future soldier and ancient warrior, further evidenced by intricate yet distinctly sci Fi armor like Cuirass and Eternal Warrior. Sentinel....actually I think sentinel does a pretty good job with the defender knight theme as far as implementation goes. Could be better but titan has far more egregious examples. With the red legion straight up killing off the sunbreakers I really wish the subclass was themed around our guardian, in lore, being one of the last remnants of their order. Sunbreakers were proud mercenaries of great conviction. Can I just say: I LOVE their bulky, angular armor aesthetic to go with their stylized sunbreaker hammer. D1's immolation fists is another reminder of what Bungie could do if space knight and future soldier stopped being (seemingly) mutually exclusive in their design ethos, resulting in subclasses that kinnndaaa but not quite fulfill either of those fantasies. Of course the titan order with explosive hammers would have gauntlets with extra nades strapped to em. It's late and the wheels have long fallen off of my train of thought. I'll likely elaborate more with a fresh mind tomorrow.

[@clxckb4it340]

i like the fact that you arnt bitching about other classes getting stuff and just want more titan lore i stand by this although the solar one with extra nades lore wise sure but in game warlock solar is the nade class other then that im on board with this even if i dont play titan often

[@PocketTuna]

Very well said. Yoou have my respect

[@PocketTuna]

It pisses me off how they killed off all the sunbreakers tho lol like wtf even in lore we get shafted

[@clxckb4it340]

@@PocketTuna ok thats the one thing i can agree with you here they shouldnt have changed how sunspots worked because of 1 single helmet that was dumb

[@Iseenotix]

Why is bungie so set on getting rid of Titan's tanky ad-clear role. It's what we excell at, and what we've gotten used to. Our dps already sucks a ton compared to other classes, why gut us more. I'm convinced someone got shoulder charged 1 too many times in D1 and has hated Titans ever since.

[@PocketTuna]

lmao I feel the same way.

[@roryvanberkel4139]

While you're at it, get rid of the melee range bonus on Ophidian aspect too.

[@PocketTuna]

Man warlocks don't even need that. They can throw the majority of their charged melees accross the map already

[@dankf1509]

Strand pulse?

[@PocketTuna]

Misspoke meant to say Neomuna pulserifle. by the time I noticed it the video was done lol Don't judge me pleaseeeee

[@jacobruiter592]

I won't lie, the recent cascade of Titan nerfs hits hard and felt unnecessary.

[@PocketTuna]

Borderline offensive

[@Sargatas]

Meme: you can't punch after a shoulder charge, but you can do the same shit after grapple punch. More meme: strand titan has gained 3 charges of shoulder charge without delay and with ability to cast it instantly and in the air. *What do you know about power creep?*))

[@PocketTuna]

lmaoooo

[@draysmusicalshtposts6340]

Even if the classes would remain pretty basic/lacking in identity with such changes: Reworking the old roaming supers would go a long way IMO. Strand sets a pretty high bar for both gamefeel and surprisingly, performance. It aint perfect but it does pretty decent dmg for a roaming and feels fun to use when it works. Wish Fists of Havoc felt like Kratos's spartan rage or something.

[@PocketTuna]

I agree 100%

[@LonelyHollowss]

Btw ophidians melee range is going to be removed soon as well as a change to stompees

[@PocketTuna]

What are they doing to stompers? I must’ve missed that one

[@LonelyHollowss]

@@PocketTuna watch profane gaming exotic changes video

[@PocketTuna]

Will do

[@th3tru3rooki3]

Poor titans are being forced to sit behind barriers now with over shield. #BringTheMeleeBack

[@PocketTuna]

We even got Hunters on our side!!!!!!

[@nidhoog]

Tbh the only solution is to demand buffs instead of mentioning nerfs. Aztec is wrong for ever mentioning it and it is bs that titans are getting nerfs while warlocks and hunters getting anything handed to them

[@EternalFire21]

The thing is i can already the syntho nerf becuse everyone flocked to it when hoil got nerfed. I have a feeling its gonna similar nerf to worm god its getting real tuff to play titan. Like to this day i still don't understand the hoil nerf and we don't even talk about about my boy one eyed mask to this day is the only exotic considered be removed from the game entirely.

[@PocketTuna]

Look how they massacred my boy

[@EternalFire21]

@@PocketTunaFR😭 i remember the good old days of 2 shot head shot with one eyed mask and ace of spades. Man i miss doing that

[@IlPinguonauta]

As i can say, equally all 3 classes should have meele extension, but titan should have like 8 meters of meele range, i know its op bu its the punching class so it makes sense to me at least. Edit: 8 meters but hits like 80 or 70 damage.

[@PocketTuna]

Hmmm I personally value raw damage over range. Which would you rather a one hit melee or crazy range?

[@IlPinguonauta]

@@PocketTuna personally range because of hit registration sucking in this game.

[@buffalowinggamer1]

When I hear people still wanting to say "oh titans are op" like how?! We get shit on so hard by bungie while both hunter and warlock are so much more powerful.

[@PocketTuna]

Shafted constantly

[@pinkyogurt6359]

Does Anyone else sincerely feel that bungie is biased against Titans? Like we use the word bias when we're salty that they nerfed some of our weapons or armor but I'm talking about an actual bias to the definition. Over the last month we got nerfs to bubble, thundercrash, heart of inmost light, glaive exotic melee damage and more upcoming most likely. Star fire on warlock remains UNTOUCHED. Who was complaining about glaive melee damage? I thought I was the only 3 guardians that used glaives. Everyone and their dog runs solar warlock and yet nothing. The very least they should do is give their take on why these titan nerfs are good for the game because this is just getting absurd.

[@clxckb4it340]

it wasnt glaive melee specifically it was winterbite + synthos doing 1m damage cause of a bug without using ammo and cause ig they brought down wormgod and winters gulie they also brought down synthos to be inline with the other 2?

[@clxckb4it340]

pvp bubble was the best super in the game for 3v3 and 6v6 it charges faster then all the shutdown supers and it became a game of who got the bubble first tcrash got nerfed because it was a roaming super with shutdown super damage speed and charge rate so they nerfed the roaming part of the shutdown super HOIL got nerfed because it was to free and worked on everyclass why doesnt starfire get the same treatment? idk maybe cause it only works on solar? idk (i think thats the reasoning behind all of them)

[@pinkyogurt6359]

@@clxckb4it340 everything can be argued for or against EXCEPT heart of inmost light. I'm sorry, but my heart being compatible for every titan subclass does not excuse starfire melting bosses as if they were red bars. Try the heart on stasis or void Titan, and you get a mid loadout at best. They had already nerfed storm nades, which was the root of broken arc titan, but they decided they were gonna crap on the loadout entirely. They didn't just stop there they proceeded to Nerf ALL glaive melee builds just because of one bug on one exotic glaive. They're focusing on nerfing low-level to mid level loadouts while their precious starfire warlocks run rampaging throughout all of pve. It's a bias, my guy. I don't see any way around it.

[@PocketTuna]

@@pinkyogurt6359 Couldn't have said it better myself. Take my job.

[@PocketTuna]

It's beyond absurd at this point. The thundercrash nerf was the biggest WTF I've seen since the random shoulder charge range nerf years ago

[@bluemi858]

i agree with this video, all points mentioned i find valid and relatable, as i perform better in pvp with hunter and warlock, and perform only marginally worse in pve using the aforementioned classes. a rework is necessary for not just titans but all classes to make them more unique.

[@PocketTuna]

Right on!

[@bluemi858]

thanks!@@PocketTuna

[@Hotlmao]

Aztecross is now one of us. Shadow wizard money gang🧙‍♂️🧙‍♂️🧙‍♂️🧙‍♂️💵💵💵💵

[@PocketTuna]

My heart, my soul

[@xXGodSlayerXx]

I just starting use glaves and finally took hoil off for syrhoceps and then get nerf 😤

[@PocketTuna]

Feelsbadman

[@Zyrnor]

I've literally religated myself to war rig/sweet business as of late because it's the only thing Bungie hasn't fucked with yet. I swear to the gods if they fuck with my war rig or sweet business I might throw in the towel with Destiny as a whole. Don't care if Bungo is scared of our potential, let us fuckin fly.

[@PocketTuna]

Let us watch the world burn!!!

[@dylanr.cerezo4325]

These videos make me often think about the titan class identity here and there. A year later, after Strand was initially panned as just being another roaming unga bunga class, i find its the one that accomplishes that power fantasy of its namesake the best! Berserker to me is by far the most fluid and easy to use of titans kits, which is why its so potent and fun. I think the issue remains that the rest of the subclasses try to do the same thing but worse, from marginal to severe degrees, or are "defense focused", whicj does NOT bring enough to the table in the current sandbox. So zerker is our attrition "dive into the fray" class. What could the others be? As an example i think striker should really play into fists more. With aspects like Knockout literally being a championship belt, they should be boxers! Destiny is set in the far future, the "warrior" inspiration doesnt have to be limited to current history. Let me jolt and obliterate small fry with lightning and nades before srraight up weaving thruster and melee together to just straight up box with majors/mini bosses. A disciplined theming on what was previously monke fist. Imagine if amplified with knockout let you have a glaive esque melee but with your fists or something, with some powerful elemental burst on the third punch idk. I can imagine titans in the tower training military drills and then those specialized strikers hopping in the ring to just box one ankther.

[@PocketTuna]

100% agree strand Titan did it the best which makes the other ones feel even more lackluster than they were before

[@norionwinter7312]

Hunters can one-shot melee, CC melee ability, Easy to land melee throwable abilities with literal aimbot and god-tracking. Warlocks have ranged melee with either lunge range and/or tracking as well as instant freeze melees with range. Titans have 3 shoulder charges that all hit the same but have different effects, they don't instant kill and have weird tracking too, so 90% of the time you find people using it for mobility instead (and then there BALLISTIC SLAM). They nerfed out Combo potential by literally not letting us melee after shoulder charge or ballistic slam. We have a Titan throwable hammer that's VERY hard to land. All we have are regular melees with a bit of extra lunge that WARLOCKS also have with one of their exotics. I challenge any Hunter or Warlock to try the Titan's throwable hammer melee in PvP and tell me I'm Wrong when I say that it's perhaps the worst titan melee ability in the game. It feels more rewarding to miss a hunter knife than landing a titan hammer melee. I hope nobody tries fighting this argument as if their very lives were in danger. I'm just trying to say that another titan nerf is **NOT** needed. I will never stop playing titan since I'm just too damned stubborn. TLDR: Bungie hates titans, don't deny or fight me on it. Titan lives matter.

[@PocketTuna]

I agree brother. I will remain a Titan because that's what the fuck I do, and shitting on kids with the least played class in the game is icing on the cake

[@Hugh_Jundies]

This is pretty ironic considering how strong Titan melee abilities still are. Even if they got nerfed, it’s because they were too far of outliers. Not to mention that shoulder charge is literally free, the hit detection isn’t any worse than any other melee. You mention that the best melee build is on the hunter class but fail to mention how hunters are supposed to be the mobility class and are somehow the slowest class. Everything is backwards but don’t pretend Titan isn’t still the easiest and most busted class in pvp and pve (aside from maybe starefire warlock)

[@PocketTuna]

Matter of opinon. Not sure how shoulder charge is free when you have to sprint a marathon to proc it, does moderate damage, and misses 50% of the time with direct line of sight. Melee hit detection is bad in general it doesn't have to be worse. Hunter is the most agile class, most people don't know the difference between speed and agility. Every class has broken builds Titan is far from the outlier while starfire protocool is still running around unchanged

[@sugarwhat9711]

So if you play any higher up pvp or pve you would know shoulder charge is completely useless 😂. Ppl dont let u ape them

[@sugarwhat9711]

Again hunters are still more mobile than titians

[@vaughnrobbins9771]

bro have you seen how busted a hunters vertical jump can be? literally one second in front of you the next second they dbz teleport behind you and end you with a shotty. Hunters have great mobility.

[@williammadruga3097]

It actually brings me peace that a lot of people here see the problem, i used to think it was my fault for not really using the other 2 classes but to nerf this class so bad to the point where most of us need to switch should be illegal Lmao, anything we do as titans could be done Better by the other 2 classes and that is an issue

[@michaelhuskey1659]

That’s the thing like they keep giving other classes the same thing we do like void is like our only decent class that makes sense but hunters can debuff and have more utility and get and give overshield a just like titans so it’s like what’s the point. Titans don’t have any identity because they keep giving the other classes the same things we had like 3.0 was needed but I also feel like it was a curse they could have done something unique for each class for each subclass but they didn’t there’s nothing unique about titan and all the niches keep getting nerfed

[@microwave33]

bruh titan deserve better

[@PocketTuna]

WAYYYY better

[@DK-ub7oz]

Knockout is the only reason I keep playng Titan in pvp, if they nerf that shit I might never play pvp again

[@PocketTuna]

Knock out is the only thing fueling my Titan gameplay right now lol

[@trankhoa5248]

I feel like because us titan have the least player population. So bugie be like "oh ppl love warlocks and hunter more, let's invest time and money in them. Fu*k titan". Even though titan is based on Halo - the games that make Bungie are Bungie... And there will be more shit like making dlc cos a lot more, making players pay for dungeons, less content and more shit story telling. All maybe just because in their eyes, it's not passion anymore, just money and numbers..... Us titan main is not enough, we have to get the voice of our Warlocks and Hunter brother and sister too... And that is like... impossible right now

[@PocketTuna]

Agreed

[@therealmarce440]

At this point, delete the Game Titan mains. I did so, great Felling

[@PocketTuna]

Fuck lmao

[@DashunicornII]

Totally agree with you bro. While Warlocks have been doing alright as of lately, especially with starfire, it also feels like Bungie has been neutering them as well and confusing the hell out of their class identity, especially since they gave most of the warlock kit to everyone else. What good is void warlock if everyone can get devour from a fragment? Chaos Accelerant sure ain't worth shit since it cost one less fragmanet slot, AND you have to charge the grenade up before actually geting the effect when all the other grenade boosting aspects just apply it automatically. Let's not even get started on how very little of the warlock Void kit is actually viable in endgame content, what with most of the abilities requiring kills and keeping a cycle of abilities up, something that is just not going to happen in endgame often. Besides that, solar 3.0 for warlock was put out with such dog shit design, we have no idea what we're supposed to be doing. Everytging about the subclass contradicts itself. Do you want us grounded doing damage or in the air? Why do we have to fight over abilities that we once had access to ALL TOGETHER while now we have to choose and none of it actually synergies well separately. If it wasn't for Well and Starfire descending from the heavens and singlehandedly making the class viable, I just dont know what else it can do. Sunbracers is fun and can actually utilize all aspects but as other people would tell you, not very viable in endgame content. Arc can be insane... if it wasn't so fucking weak in endgame content. Besides it pretty cookie cutter anyway. Gets kills, get abilities back fast. Whatever. Other classes can do that anyway since they gave the warlock arc shit to them. Oh great I can make a little buddy and slide Dodge that isn't even that good in PvE. Ok but how does that contribute to survivability? DPS? Utility? Stasis, and maybe strand, as much as they're memed on, actually feel like the only unique and fun, AND viable subclasses for warlock. But this all just begs the question. Wtf is this class's identity Besides Well, statfire, and maybe occasionally freezing shit? This comment wasn't meant to show how much more miserable warlocks are than titans. On the contrary, i think we should stand in solidarity with how little class identity these two classes has been getting stripped away from. That's not to say hunters are the best, but at least they seem to have a cohesive idea on what they want hunters to be, especially with the range of cool shit they can do, even if it ain't as good as just being an invisible slave. My point is Bungie needs to have better design goals for everything, not just cobble together peices that may work and throw it out there. And also they should not be afraid to add more fun and uniqueness to the game that has so much potential instead of another punching titan exotic or a other warlock exotic that barley heals or supports.

[@PocketTuna]

I have a video coming on this I think their whole design philosophy is a bit off

[@DashunicornII]

@Pocket Tuna looking forward to it!

[@DJungleskoggs]

Also how titans identity for void was supposed to be void over shield now there’s a fragment that gives void over shield

[@AutistikWaldo]

I've made these arguments before and alli get from non titan mains is "no noo nooo Nooo NOOO NOOOO! REEEEE! REEE!!! REEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!". So I quit playing destiny for now.

[@PocketTuna]

Here is a safe place don’t worry about it. We can play together if you want

[@Dredguno]

Watch, with all this fuss about pvp SMGs being a problem, they're going to nerf peacekeepers. When they do this I'm uninstalling the game for good

[@PocketTuna]

Wouldn't put it past them lol

[@riothegod1831]

thundercrash flybys got nerfed cause it’s a shutdown super!!! not a roaming one. i hate titans. y’all complain too much when your class is too tier

[@PocketTuna]

And that’s the problem right there. Balance changes for titan are implemented from the outside from those that are annoyed by the class not from the perspective of those playing it

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

LOL yeah Cross has left us Titans to fend for ourselves. We still have Frostbolt I guess. Anyways I am pretty sure they nerfed shoulder charge tracking with ligthfall. Shoulder charge has been my crutch for a long time and now it just whiffs half the time. They definitely did something to it. Then for Titans in PvE what role is bungie wanting us to play? Going into day 1 RoN I honestly felt like I was going to be more of a hinderance than a help to my team. I really think bungie is trying to make titans just be ad clear. They powercrept our damage super in favor of hunters, they nerfed our protector the bubble and walls, then they nerfed our ability spam with HoIL. What role do they want us to play if we are not the protector or the damage? Anyways RoN was easy so it didn;t matter but it honestly had me considering swapping to maining another class. I would want to main hunter as its a fun class but like 60% of players main hunter. Warlock is super OP but they will probably get this same constant nerf treatment soon so I don't want that heartbreak again. Whats wild is just how many titan nerfs we have ahd in the past few patches. Seriously every patch there was some nerf that was either directly to titans or indirect like the storm grenade nerf. There is this leak going around that a lot of people seem to take as fact. I don't believe it TBH for 2 reasons, Eyes of Tomorrow would be absolutely broken if this happens. Then there is a random nerf to dunemarchers in that leak. Why would they nerf dunemarchers again? Has ANYONE complained about dunemarchers since the last major nerf/fix? I havent heard anyone say anything about them since then. If that leak is real and that does happen then I will truly believe that no one at bungie mains titan.

[@swampdaddy4441]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@PocketTuna]

Ayeeeeee

[@Mad_Peasant_King]

Why play titan when both hunters and warlocks have objectively better supers for both damage and for just about any situations that demands a fire and forget super

[@PocketTuna]

YEP

[@tufbubblz]

I'm a warlock main but have played all three classes. during the season with solar 3.0 I mainly played titan with synthos for glaives just waiting till they worked with them and just used a bonk build with mythoclast and it was so much fun. not anymore, bungie is just making the game so boring.

[@PocketTuna]

Yep!!! Anything fun is immediately takena way

[@MrDurandal25]

Nailed it. Bungie devs are just ignorant of the game. They just listen the mouth breathers who don't like the counter to their OP builds.

[@PocketTuna]

100%

[@CrossVaniaGames]

The Titan Class is the most fun I’ve had in D2 in a long time, but it is in such a god awful spot atm. Bungie continues to nerf us into the ground despite Warlocks and Hunters requiring a nerf way WAY more, and honestly it feels like Bungie just hates Titan Mains. Like I’m sorry, you’re gonna nerf Titan stuff, while Starfire Protocol Warlocks exist?! That’s ridiculous to me!

[@Hunterexe-uz6pv]

Definitely a coping titan

[@PocketTuna]

THe logic of a Hunter main

[@CDR_Storm]

Fellow Titan main here and I agree there needs to be a whole rework for the "class on the cover of the game". Though I know barley anyone at Bungie plays Titan and probably the Titan designers don't even play Titan. I feel like maybe if a large enough of the community came together and did some boycott/strike to get Bungie's attention that the Titan identity is long gone. On paper it sounds sufficient though I doubt it would happen but it would show we're tired of everything we have being nerfed and taken from us. We can only hope we can be viable in endgame and one day all classes can be equal.

[@michaelhuskey1659]

I agree with you but for one I doubt enough of the community would boycott and highly doubt bungie would throw out something so big such as a rework to the titan anytime soon like I agree it needs to happen but I mean I’ve been saying this and sooooo many titan mains have been saying this for a while now and all titans get is nerfs like just looking at exotics is rediculous like the newer ones like the one that gives a second shield throw that can stun barrier champs like it’s god awful they could easily make it so we get energy back off of kills and stuns would easily make it viable and then make tracking on the shield throws better and boom a wasted exotic turned into a solid choice or give titans more utility from exotics idk there’s so much potential that can happen but bungie seems to not care and they let the class sink to the bottom

[@ravous246]

Im sorry but shoulder charge as a movement ability for pvp is god tier. Barricade is actually amazing for map control in trials. Shit the worse thing about the class is the super imo. But dont actually act like solar titan isnt the best thing for pve other than for grand masters.

[@PocketTuna]

Shoulder charge as a movement ability is fantastic. Too bad its a melee that’s supposed to do damage lmaoooo

[@michaelhuskey1659]

Well saying it’s good in anything except grandmasters is the literal point that the man is making like grandmasters and hard endgame content is the only content that matters in this game and if your not viable for it do to nerfs and just not much to bring to the table then yeah your class sucks which is where titan is right now like the only reason why titan is decent for solo content is because artifact mods and lorelly if they need it again solar titan isn’t a thing anymore the thing is the whole titan identity is one nerf away from probably not being in the game anymore lmao so bungie needs to fix their game

[@gone585]

#titansalivesmatter

[@PocketTuna]

HELL YEAH BROTHER

[@wezzy9437]

I'm not gonna play pvp until Ikelos and Immortal are changed because every lobby is The Immortal and Jotunn.

[@PocketTuna]

Iron Banner is SO painful with Immortal adept. It hurts

[@redcrasher3280]

I’ve been suffering through Iron Banner just so I can get the god roll of the void smg. Needless to say, I’ve not been having fun

[@FearedTheFox]

the nerf to the glaive interaction with synthoceps was uncalled for. sure winter bite was doing a lot of damage. however. IT WAS A HEAVY GLAIVE. AND YOU HAVE TO SIT ON A BOSS FOR THE BIG DAMAGE. WHAT IS THE POINT OF HIGH RISK HIGH REWARD. WHEN THE REWARD KEEPS GETTING NERFED. COME ON BUNGIE. WAKE UP.. seriously though. was looking forward to using glaives with synthos. but now is damage buff is hardly even worth the risk of getting in combatants faces. ill stick to my thunderlord with actium war rig for bit boy DPS for the time being..

[@PocketTuna]

More than uncalled for it was goddamn offensive like wtf? Lol

[@ryandugan2062]

Strand titan is fun but it is just another melee class, and the Hoil nerf combining with the glaive nerf feels oppressive and boring

[@stormbreaker504]

Wtf are you doing my brother why did you empty your bank account on pokimane 😂💀

[@PocketTuna]

The simp energy was too strong 😭

[@stormbreaker504]

@@PocketTuna lmfao Ngl I think we need new stasis supers and etc for titans honestly in high play I think behemoth ain’t really usable you’ll mostly get team fired, they also need to update the servers and much more I would like a trident for titan stasis and you could throw it or hit the floor with it making crystals around you and a wave of crystals going forward, kinda like diamond lances except a super and I hope we soon get for things for the light subclasses but I think they should kinda focus on stasis and the titan class, we honestly don’t need melee range buffing exotics IF THEY FIXED THE GODDAMN SERVERS

[@stormbreaker504]

@@PocketTuna I’m kinda disappointed on titan strand it could’ve been something else not another STUPID AND BASIC roaming titan super as much as I like punching things I would really like some LONG range supers bc hunters and warlocks have a few bunch of them

[@spynix0718]

Titans don't have a good kit compared to Warlocks and Hunters, but the reason why Titans are good is because they have strong exotics, which when one gets nerfed, it dies as an exotic. This isn't just a problem with PvP, but also PvE. Titans literally do nothing for endgame PvE for teamplay. Warlocks got well, Hunters have invis, Titans got what? Lorely's? Lorely's is only good for solo content, that's it. Well of Radiance is just a better Bubble, and Blade Barrage does more damage than Missile. Strand Titan does have infinite suspend, but the other classes can do the same thing and are arguably better. Stasis is dead, and Titans still have the worst Stasis subclass, too.

[@PocketTuna]

Everyone sees it and cares except Bungie

[@GlobalTRIGGER]

The main reason I main titan is because there the worst class just so satisfying beating hunters & warlocks mains in pvp! they literally have endless amount of bullshit and i still beat them.

[@PocketTuna]

I thought I was alone lol Glad someone else has the same reasoning that I have lol

[@GlutenPlayz]

Titans being considered the melee class is stupid imo considering how many melee things other classes have especially hunter This mentality that titans need broken melees is just dumb, considering how titan barricade, overshields, and movement are all insanely busted on the class already (having probably the best movement in the game with the added funcionality of deleting anyone with peregrines), they arent taking everything away from titans hell yall just hella overreacting but still are probably the best class for pvp undisputed Just the fact that every time a new objective base gamemode gets announced and everyone thinks about how broken triple barricades would be in it says a lot

[@pietrocytosis]

Aye I love playing Titan, but look me in the eye and tell me that it is perfectly balanced that striker can essentially have 3 exotics on at all times (touch of thunder giving armamentarium lightning nades, knockout giving Synthoceps lunge distance, and equipping peacekeepers or dunemarchers) on top of having the best Titan movement options like thruster and ballistic slam. It makes every other Titan subclass feel weak by comparison.

[@dylannichols3577]

Yes this is true, I completely agree.

[@PocketTuna]

I don’t disagree with this, but again it goes back to how Bungie chooses to balance the Titan. That’s the only way they can think of to do it. That’s how it was in Destiny 1 as well. All the best exotics were just giving another perk to the class. It seems like the only way for Titan to be balanced is to give it broken shit that eventually gets nerfed into uselessness

[@michaelhuskey1659]

If this is referring to pvp then cool yeah it’s the only thing titans can do to be competitive but for pve this is garbage just like everything else the titan has like pvp is a different world and should honestly have their own exotics like other games do like wow where there is literally pvp gear and then pve gear the point is titan have to do quite a bit to be good at any of the content where warlocks have to equip starfires and hunter only need gyrfalcons and they both just become gods

[@pix3l104]

Titan Punches are out of this world. Nerfs are justified If they will ever happen. Just because it is "the only unique thing titans have, it is way to strong

[@PocketTuna]

When it’s the only thing you got…..it should be powerful at the very least lol

[@PocketTuna]

And also once again nerfing the class based on how the other classes feel about it and not because of how it feels to use. The melees are strong in the areas where they are strong as they should be but that’s it. If you have a melee class in melee range, yeah, you should feel outclassed. Not gonna catch me complaint that Hunter outranges me on my Titan because they should. If i manage to close the gap I better smash the Hunter’s face in though.

[@redcrasher3280]

Well then maybe don’t fucking gut the exotic/subclass function then. Yes nerfs are justified but they have been overdoing almost all of them for Titan.

[@PocketTuna]

@@redcrasher3280 Agreed

[@waynekelly2121]

Yeah Bungie is not happy unless your guardian is as weak as can be . That goes for pvp n pve . The devs took a game that I loved and ruined it with all their stupid ass decisions.

[@PocketTuna]

They flip flop between wanting to make it like COutner strike or making it like destiny lol

[@godidletheprimalgamerandbo1512]

My friends and I would be playing in Private Matches, and at the time I got bored of Warlock so I took a break and begun enjoying Titan because it was actually fun. However, throughout the matches my friends would always complain about the constant range I had with melee while they had absurd arsenals themselves. I felt irritated because what other things can the Titans excel at if their strongest abilities are the melees? As a player who plays all three classes, has Stasis and Strand for all three, I can definitely say that Titans will lose their potency if the melee range gets nerfed. Think about it, you have a perk designed to hurt, but what good does it do if you can't hit it? Besides, the duration is low enough as is and it's your fault if you bunch up and die to a ballistic slam. No seriously it is, and I take pride in punishing people with it. The stasis titan requires a lot of skill to use and even then the abilities suck in comparison to hunters and warlocks. Sure the hunters have horrid melee, but their agility makes up for it and the warlock has a large arsenal to slow AND freeze people. Titans? Wall go brrr! Strand is cool and all, but surprisingly is the most balanced (PvP-wise) in comparison to the other subclasses. Arc titan is either A, you play aggressively or B, you play safely. The safely means less kills and aggressive means more likely to die but get more kills. Solar titan, oh god, the only thing there to consider is attempting to be immortal and even then it's just better to use it for PvE. Void is just support and make sure that overshield is up more often (imo, I don't play void much). Note, each super have their pros and cons and they always fluctuate with changes so I don't often care. And no I do not care if I complain about something. Addressing my concerns allows both me and players to gather thoughts and opinions on a matter that most indefinitely won't change unless a common ground is formed. Let me know what you think of the three classes and let's keep things civil. Again, I play all three classes, so I do not particularly care if you're a main of one of the classes. However, if you do bring up that argument, I will ask: Have you played enough of the three to get a feel of them?

[@PocketTuna]

As I always say. Balance around Titan seems to be on how other classes feel about it and not how it feels to play because there aren’t enough Titan mains on the dev team clearly to steer the changes in the right direction.

[@toadmermaid4592]

But... currently as of right now. Titans are absolutely busted. They are literally PVE God's, I can drop 300 kills in master content and not die. Yes master, 1840 type shit. And in PVP titans can move fast as shit and no other class stands a chance against just even a decent titan

[@dylannichols3577]

Nah the titan gameplay loop for master content is pretty much the same as other classes with few differences outside of varying abilities.

[@PocketTuna]

To be fair, all classes move pretty fast at this point. Also all classes have some OP builds at almost any point, correct me if I’m wrong.

[@BALLER24HOLLAR]

Titans are the strongest PvP class in the game, especially in high end play, that’s why they keep nerfing.

[@purple-eyessilverdrago6895]

Imagine being classcist. Couldn't be me. Also Titans are the most busted. They get free cover, and with void, get a heal/overshield. They get an attack that is also a movement tech, and they scale with resil. Also, of course, Hunter's have the mobility. They litterly scale with it, and they are the "Rouge" of the class trifecta. Titan's have the stromgest Melee. Heck, even Warlocks have better close range melee then Hunters, who have long range melee. Warlocks also get heal and OS, but they are exposed. Hunter's have to spec into a complex build, or use an Exotic to get heals, and Titans and Warlocks get it free. Trials were miserable before the Resil nerf and stat changes for Hunters. That's an issue in my eyes. Resil was not the issue, it was healing abilities. Now I can head into mid game content with 70-80 resil, and it does nothing.

[@clxckb4it340]

idk man titans snorting copeium cause they have 1 ability that isnt strong then complain about it (although titan statis needs a buff that is sad)

[@PocketTuna]

Titans get free cover. Hunters get a free disengage. Warlock gets healing or damage buff. Every class has to have something lol I don’t see your point. Hunters get mobility, the other 2 classes have to spec into it. Titan gets overshield, the other 2 classes have to spec into it. Hunter gets invisibility but the other 2 classes have to spec into it. Warlocks get devour, the other 2 classes have to spec into it. That’s the definition of balance lol

[@clxckb4it340]

@@PocketTuna exactly but to be fair mob is the worst outta the 3 pve wise which (hunter main) im fine with honestly our dodge unless its on invis isnt really manditory for most endgame is it nice to have yes, is it something you need like a rift or a wall no.

[@MrDurandal25]

Nothing says Bungie more like a well played shoulder charge, and no kill......nor a follow up melee. Just remove the titian from the game Bungie......clearly you already have.

[@PocketTuna]

There’s really no reason to run it other than movement

[@riothegod1831]

titan is the most busted class in pvp u must be smoking rocks knockout is op!

[@deranemira7230]

In pvp maybe but in PvE the only thing they got is passive gameplay even then the exotic keep getting nerf due to pvp side so at some point titan begin to lack exotic to use with meaning full option and because most super are close range it's useless against boss because you risk of getting one shot by stomp or other boss melee attack

[@PocketTuna]

Don't recall saying Titan sucked in PvP

[@redcrasher3280]

This video isn’t about balance. It’s about class identity. 2 different things.

[@clxckb4it340]

jesus the titan mains in the comments snorting major copeium- titans still good all the classes are good titans free builds are just requiring to use your brain something i noticed almost noone in this comment section has edit: oh no i pissed off the community by saying titans are still good this is going to be alot of notifications later

[@PocketTuna]

Titans aren’t bad, those words never left my mouth and never will.

[@redcrasher3280]

This video is about class identity. Not balance

[@clxckb4it340]

@@PocketTuna sounds like a skill issue lmao im jokin but still if titans really sucked as much as you say they do bungie woulda buffed them, but they have been a amazing class all around and if your complaining so much about them you have 3 characters you can switch they are actually good at balancing classes for the most part besides the occasional meta where something gets abused for a month like omni lord of wolves or like the entirety of arc titan is usually good weapons however? bungie isnt the best at that

[@clxckb4it340]

@@redcrasher3280 its mostly the comments complaining but yeah i do agree honestly with all classes the identitys since 3.0 have kinda been mixed only 3.0 that did the class identity well was void imo

[@fangslore9988]

i'm sorry but i agree that bungie should nerf melees, having any as 1 shot max resil players is detrimental to the gunplay focus that bungie are trying to create in the sandbox

[@arc1423]

start with throwing knives

[@John-fn7sp]

Getting reallllll tired of these streamers

[@riothegod1831]

shoulder charge is an amazing movement ability. something tells me you’re not a high end pvp player

[@PocketTuna]

Show me where I said shoulder charge was a bad movement ability. As a matter of fact that’s its only use really. Which in itself is a problem.

[@fangslore9988]

i'm sorry but i agree that bungie should nerf melees, having any as 1 shot max resil players is detrimental to the gunplay focus that bungie are trying to create in the sandbox