What beledar is explained

[@tastyjerry]

I am completely 100% serious when i say that i think azeroth’s worldsoul visage should be a murloc

[@noahmellemstrand4756]

That would be amazing

[@Thromash]

Ngl, wouldn't be mad if it was lol

[@DarkScreamGames]

azmerloth was the true timeline after all

[@manemperorofmankind8119]

It’s a hedgehog actually

[@LiveErrors]

now i want a dragon murlock

[@timj11dude]

They should be praised for putting story pieces into the weeklies, voiced and animated too. Those that dont care about story are always gonna miss bits.

[@JordanPowers-qz8cd]

I recall that the Chronicles mentioned shards of pure Light flying across the cosmos and impaling into worlds, seeding life and the worldsouls. And while that is in the perspective of the titans, it fits with the idea of both Beledar being a crystal of light twisting into shadow, but also being part of Azeroth’s worldsoul. More specifically its perhaps crystallized “Destiny”. What if when the void and light clashed the shards weren’t of light but of light and shadow, the Certainty and Potential melded into one. While for the most part it seemed only the Titans manifested, they themselves had a disparity to them each representing an “order” expressing the other forces. Aman’thul being Light and its certainty as pure Order and Linear Time, Eonar being Life, Norgannon being Arcane as it could be, Argus being Death. Its possible that Aman’thul ordered these potentials into a certainty, but could not influence the whole cosmos like the Prime Worldsoul can. At least thats where im thinking this conspiracy is going.

[@laertesindeed]

Or........ since the Titans used the forges to "encourage" the World Soul to put souls inside magical stone already native to azeroth to form the Earthen........ then maybe the Beledar is from a crashed Light spaceship and before the Titans ever got here.... the world soul had already put some souls inside Beledar? It is entirely possible that Archaedas made a mistake in assuming the beledar was world soul; just because it has naaru souls inside. If the Titans could not see deep enough to answer their own questions; then the Titans may have not seen the Beledar or other crystals at all.

[@POTATOEMPN]

Your comment is almost exactly the thing that I said the very first time I saw beldar one of the trailers. It's a shard of pure cosmic energy. A fragment of the universe itself. And there are several of them on azeroth. The one that we know off is Belladonna are is actually the one that created ungoro crator in the first place. The Titans didn't create Ungoro, they just used it. I know for a fact that the other one that we will know of is in northrend. The nice super green zone of northrend..... And I can say that I'm probably literally the only person on the earth that knew that this was coming 15 to 17 years ago. The first time I played through ungoro crater. Potentially one of the most important zones in the game. And no one knows it.

[@murdendev]

@@POTATOEMPNok here’s your cookie 🍪

[@POTATOEMPN]

@@murdendev You being a useless cuck for a reason? Or did you just think your 0.00000002 cents mattered. I was right and excited that there was somebody else who knew some of the same stuff. Imagine being a douchebag to a stranger over a perfectly normal human reaction. Lol go be a sub-par example of insectoid droppings.

[@CrazyShepard]

Azeroth wakes up - "Worldsouls! Roll out!"

[@noahmellemstrand4756]

After seeing Transformers 1, I see the connection

[@miriamweller812]

Azeroth Challenge Phase: One Head 'em up, move 'em out! Power stride, ready to ride!

[@sleepyshamanbryan9536]

I think it would be cool that over the course of the World Soul Saga you could unlock Traygar crystal customization option for Earthen characters.

[@TheMorninGlory23]

I wonder if the titans would turn us into automatons... losing your mind like the void but in a different way

[@Thromash]

The best parts of all this, 1 we are getting answers but 2 is it true? We don't know. Could be true, could be half truths, could be what the titans think/believe (doesn't make it true). Honestly it just makes me look forward to the story more, especially what will come in Midnight & The Last Titan. And don't even get me started on the Arathi Empire the arguably true rulers or all human kingdoms that Faerin herself said are not so nice & friendly so to say as the Hallowfall Arathi that we've met. Oh My GAWD! There are just SO MANY possibilities!

[@xR3DST4Rx]

I hate the unreliable information trope they are addicted too now. Its the one thing I wish they didnt copy from Warhammer. It’s lazy and they do it just so they can retcon things in the future without it actually being a retcon cause “point of view”. Just don’t give me an answer if the writers aren’t ready to commit.

[@Thromash]

@@xR3DST4Rx although I am excited about the future story, you do have a point & I do agree. The unreliable information trope does have a place, but at the same time you can't just go hard into it because I guess as my first comment kind of showed, even if we get answers, as a consequence, we end up questioning if those answers are actually truth or not. Even if we want to believe the answer, there is still that part in the back of the mind that can go "but is it the truth? Or is it their perspective" sort stuff which can derail & scuff a story in multiple ways & as much as I dislike not getting answers, sometimes no answer is the best option.

[@KC-py5vq]

Its lazy to you, not me my guy. Bitch more lmfao​@xR3DST4Rx

[@nickmessner700]

We haven't actually traveled the Coreway yet. We went down a service tunnel to thee Ringing Deeps, the Coreway itself is still broken.

[@retrohanska4441]

The way I understood the whole Prime Naaru thing in Legion was that there might be others and all lesser Naarus originate from one of them. The way they talked about that was like talking bloodlines or sirelines in something like Vampire Diaries (there are multiple original vampires and everyone they've turned, everyone the 2nd generation vampires have turned and so on are eternally linked to their original.) And since Light has always had some Christian ties, another way I've looked them is that they're essentially archangels while regular Naarus are angels and I don't remember what Bible stated but in Supernatural at least there were 4 of them.

[@TheMorninGlory23]

I love that we cant teally trust any info sources lol. Really goes to show this isnt a cliche good guys vs bad guys narrative but rather is shades of gray

[@johnwaters1768]

maybe a stupid question, but could the reason the curse of flesh didnt change the Earthen in the same way as the rest of the dwarves be because most of the other dwarves were created from the forge in ulduar maybe being in closer proximity to yogg affected them more severely?

[@Chicken-x6q6d]

I think it was something to do with roots of a world tree or the likes providing a direct arterial route for Yoggs blood to get to them and the Gnomes we know. I've watched so many of these lore videos recently that it is blurring all together with my own theories now so I could be way off, but I thought I'd share that anyway in case it helps.

[@johnwaters1768]

@@Chicken-x6q6d oh yeah i totally forgot, i forget the name of that world tree but its the one thats destroyed now in grizzly hills because thats how yogg was able to get into the emerald dream and created the emerald nightmare, so they had to chop down the tree to prevent further corruption. so actually yeah that does make a lot of sense actually thank you

[@Chicken-x6q6d]

@@johnwaters1768 That’s the one, Yggdrsil or something. There was speculation in another video I saw that there may have been another world tree where Dornogal now stands, one which was somehow torn out of the planet surface leaving the shaft into the deeps. Probably weeded by a titan when the corruption began to set in there. This could explain the slight transformation of the Earthen compared to the Dwarves, the corruption was halted when the tree was removed. The presence of large roots descending in to certain parts of the deep accompanied by the waterfalls and greenery could lend credit to that theory.

[@Chicken-x6q6d]

It's going a bit like Castiel and Crowley now. To quote the horseman of death, "It's about the souls" Also, Azerothian kidney stones are eternal.

[@ZakhadWOW]

Well given that the record showed a crystalline shape that matched Beledar EXACTLY, that resolves that issue mostly, and also would explain why Anduin senses the Radiant Song coming from the crystal - its part of her soul actually open to the air and public view ( as opposed to the core of it in the center of the planet).

[@TheMorninGlory23]

Glad you exist Nobel:D i dont like to play WoW much anymore but i still love to keep up on the lore and story :3

[@KingDJ524]

Honestly my first guess with beledar was "what if the titans thought 'maybe we can stab this into the world and it will balance the void corruption" and then i thought "well what if it supposed to be Azeroth's heart" essence. Heart. Close enough for me

[@Rabdure]

"We cannot possibly understand the intric..." ahhh, I see you're familiar with Jailerspeak, champion.

[@patrikzotaj4528]

is azeroth's titan world soul is like primus of cybertron.

[@aster4jaden]

Well, Primus was a Multiversal Singularity so Azeroth could be a version of him.

[@shadowravem]

Titans are more curious by our interactions and they have just benefited from our intervening. They kind of didn't expect and can't see how we affect everything

[@laertesindeed]

Nobbel.... I'm not sure if there is a subtle nuance which does not translate between dutch and english..... but "Prime" has more than one meaning in english. One meaning sometimes translates as a synonym for importance or greatness or magnitude. However, another definition of the word Prime implies both a chronological order and also causation chain.... similar to how the Prime Naaru is implied to have caused the existence of other naaru. I bring this up, only because in the video it seemed like you were interpreting the world soul inside Azeroth being called a Prime World Soul only in that prior meaning....with only a measure of magnitude or greatness. Whereas, when I hear the lore entries in that titan disc room it implies to me that they think a Prime World Soul may have had something to do with spawning their own existence as world souls themselves. The terms child and parent and sister and brother may not be appropriate for magical world souls.......but the causation chain of a powerful World Soul being able to spawn off and create lesser world souls just like itself may as well be suggesting that Azeroth is like their mother. We know that Azeroth didn't always have a planetary crust around itself....and in the mythology, she was traveling through the great dark beyond for a while being chased by beings of darkness before she found a sun and formed a planet around herself. Isn't it possible, then, that the Azeroth World Soul spawned off some lesser world souls long in the past, and among those were Aman'thul and Eonar and Argus and Norgannon, etc? There doesn't have to be any villainy foisted upon the Titan pantheon to see a reason why they might see importance and duty and loyalty towards the prime world soul as their creator.

[@POTATOEMPN]

I see you are also a fellow person of culture. I'll give you a little hint. Take a new character go back into vanilla wow classic. Get them leveled up and go down into Ungoro crater and do every quest and then go into silithis. I'm going to say just this, angoro crater is potentially the most important zone in the entire game right now. Belladar is a shard of pure cosmic energy. The first of the Titans. Before they even had a name for themselves. Azeroth is a pure world soul, as you say. but she is not the mother of all Titans. She's just a mother of all the world souls. Which I think is what you were saying but still. And I personally think that the void is trying to claim this world soul not to make another void being but to make a void being with a stone body like the Titans. No more mortal bodies for the void. I think that they would use as a Roth to force it to birth a bunch of monsters. Immortal unkillable stone creatures who can keep uploading their consciousness into a new body without ever having to worry about anything. I think they want with a Titans have but for void purposes

[@miriamweller812]

The way it is used there points at just being the most powerful, at least as the reason why they called it that way.

[@laertesindeed]

@@miriamweller812 Not in the lore clips from the disc room..... those all use prime as causation chain.

[@Elbewrath]

So short version, beledar and all said crystals surrounding it made it look like as if it's the equivalent of the "Mothercrystal" or the closest variation of it to the WoW Universe, from FFXIV. And we already have mommy Hydae- ahem, Azeroth whispering to us.

[@miriamweller812]

Don't bring up the bullshit from FFXIV what was a giant nothing burger - and came AFTER WoW anyway. Venat was just a random person with ultra plot powers out of nowhere suddenly able to just genocide a whole planet then rip apart reality and all life with it with a disgusting plan of mass torture for 10.000 years to create on brain dead plot armor super solider to be shot into space to then not even kill (since it's actually Zenos doing that, because the player character could only have stood there and fart their pants) something that could have easily be killed by the real people - what is of course all sold as absolutely normal right and good and you just have to accept this insanity. The whole thing with goddess of light vs god of darkness was just pushed form the table. Zodiark was never evil, but the protector and savior of the planet from the start, while Hydaelyn was just Magical Genderbend German Dictator slaughtering everyone for their new Reich, but the game tells you to ignore this, accept this evil as fine and mass murder for that disgusting thing to keep everything distorted and dying instead of fixing things and healing the slaughtered souls so they could be reborn whole in an unfractured world and escape the endless cycle of meaningless torture.

[@Elbewrath]

@@miriamweller812 Breathe 🤣 Just because wow came first doesn't mean they don't take inspiration of illustrations from other franchises later on. As it already has happened multiple times. The whole mothercrystal thing and the illustration of the essence of azeroth crystallizing on this video look very similar. They could have taken a different design but they went with that one after ffxiv did it first. Doesn't mean the story will end up the same as it did in ffxiv tho. But clearly some similarities whether its artistic or story wise are there.

[@Elbewrath]

@@miriamweller812 Also you completely misunderstood the story FFXIV or u slept halfway through it. Venat wasn't random person. She was the Azem, part of the Convocation, same Convocation that decided that it's a good idea to sacrifice half of the entire population to create Zodiark ( i don't see you calling that genocide for some odd reason). Which said Zodiark was acting as a temporal band-aid, and he kept needing more sacrifices as time went on. Also the Ancients were refusing to expand and grow as beings, they wanted an everlasting utopia without sorrow. Venat did to herself what the convocation did to create Zodiark, but to herself. You see, only she could remember what actually happened with Meteion and everything she is about to start. She had to sunder all creation of etheirys so they can tap into their Dynamis because the non sundered Ancients were too dense on Aether to battle against Meteion, which was basically the threat behind the entire universe. It wasn't just about the world of Etheirys. She said she didn't like what she did, but she had to in order to give humanity and the universe a chance to stand again Meteion, and succeedeed. The Ancients wouldn't be able to stand against Meteion as their magicks were all twisted into creating monsters that were eating people left and right. Sad to see such a narrow minded vision, but I guess you didn't wanna pay attention after one point and you just brushed it off. Pay attention to the details next time.

[@gloameyedprince]

@@miriamweller812 You're unstable.

[@jordanpendleton9686]

I could have sworn they established that the curse of flesh was passed by contact or proximity to those infected after the titan machinery was infected by yog seron. This in and of itself could explain why these earthen evolved differently. The curse of flesh made the titanforged evolve over generations(vrykul starting to have smaller children which became humans, exc). Kaz algar seems to not have been part of the mainland even before the sunderring(colossus in the ocian seems proof of this)which is why they never got the curse, they never made contact with ANY of the other titanforged or any other races from the main supercontinent that split... at least until we showed up. Guess we just have to wait a few decades in game to see if these guys start changing too, lol

[@amaliafilip2886]

Imagine if we would be in the eartherns place. The curse of stone, we would slowly grow stone and gems on our body and have to eat minerals 😂 Also being unable to swim but no more need for oxygen under water, and maybe no sleep either. Earthern don't sleep they recharge their batteries and I think they live a lot compared to flesh beings. Waw being earthern is really cool. I hope they don't get the curse of flesh. Then they will have to learn agriculture,making coffee, medicine and all the stuff we need to sustain our fragile bodies.😂

[@lazarus0117]

With all these implications it's almost like all the powers can have ulterior motives and be seen as 'evil' depending on your perspective. I've held the belief that since we defeated Illidan in BC, saw the corruption of Naa'ru, and visited the WoD timeline with the dominating force of light guiding the Draeni, that the light can be absolutely an overwhelming oppressive force and army that lies and manipulates to keep power.

[@nicolasritzke1042]

Both the Light and Void want to dominate. It's just a different method. The Void consumes all and only the strongest will remain, so a single individual. The Light on the other hand seeks strength in unity, kinda like a hive minde maxbe.

[@ZakhadWOW]

See the denouement of what and who the Vorlons of Babylon 5 reveled themselves to be. The Titans being Lords of Order ( a direct quote from the B5 episode "Z'ha'dum") they appear to be every bit as capable of massive wanton destruction to bring about what they want and to eliminate wiht extreme prejudice anything that stand in their way: Vorlons - DeathStar-ing many planets to silence the opposition, the Titans with their Forge of Origination.

[@thecountrygardener4517]

@Nobbel87 do you think we will get more lore from Algalon the Observer soon?

[@WildSpiritsCoaching]

Azerite was the first thing I thought of as well.

[@SagittariusSisyphus]

Imo the big chunks of essence were the aim of the Old Gods to power up even more and then infect Azeroth irremediably.

[@miriamweller812]

With the Titans in need to withdraw after Legion, they would simply not want to raise any suspicion against them, so it's all sweet talk to fool the tools. They overall know, that their machinery is pretty broken and they also know, that while mortals themselves on their own are weak, they can ally with other cosmic forces - or could get their little hands on what is inside the planet.

[@ZakhadWOW]

well remember that we freed the Titan souls held prisoner in Antorus, including an enslaved Aggramar. However it happened once they returned to their Seat of Power they reincarnated or whatever.

[@williamryder781]

I think what is happening, though this might be a stretch with this writing team, is that each "force" only sees the universe from their particular lens. At the ground level its not bad, they focus how their particular force is applied through the universe which leads to a homeostasis of sorts. Its when you get a powerful leader or guiding force in power that it screws up the balance, as they are not omnipotent or omniscient and their view of their rivals are colored by their own forces lens. They would perceive the other forces with as threatening if they were allowed to get more power, especially the force that is opposite to them, and thus they try to manipulate and enforce their own power on the universe to control it. Which brings us to the Titans. I dont think the titans are specifically in the Arcane camp. I think the Titans are actually meant to be unaligned caretakers for the universe that are meant to cultivate the force that they are tied to, which means growing or pruning as needed. In this manner they'd be setting the stage for something bigger down the line such as Azeroth. They would ultimately fail at this when Aman'thul, being a titan of order, decided to organize a search for the World Soul that they were ultimately meant to lay the foundations for. Organization leads to hierarchy and hierarchy breeds power. Aman'thul, either through his desire for power or the influence of some outside force, decided to enforce the titan's, and by extension his, will upon the worlds they found. Because he's not letting the titans do their thing without bias they're not as effective at their original jobs and the various forces are running amok across creation and it has been falling to mortal races to step up and pull the slack.

[@miriamweller812]

It's not a stretch, that's how things are. The cosmic forces are radical in their PoV (radical comes from radix = root, means "from the root"), they are the norm from that PoV and everything else is not, but out of balance.

[@zlatkoaleksandra3573]

Why is Nobody Talking About Continent on The other side of spinning Azeroth in this Cutscene? There is Clearly Somthing there or am i seeing it wrong?

[@iamDeej]

The only way Blizzard can get the majority of the playerbase on the same page with lore is not through quests - it has to be through a tv/netflix/youtube series. Books are also a terrible medium. Has to be animated

[@jeffreyarnold2626]

we must power our heart again hero. back to silithus you go!

[@POTATOEMPN]

no

[@davidereno1871]

So it seems we will defeat the void in Midnight, and the titans in The last titan (Aman'thul probably?). Azeroth restores and maintains the balance between the forces of the universe. I don't see any other way this could go? I hope they find a creative way to do it at least.

[@TheRaven2k]

But if it needs to be balance, Midnight will be interresting since they claim that we will defeat the Void, so that would mess up balance pretty good. Same with the Last Titan, if all except one dies it would mess up balance pretty good.

[@ZakhadWOW]

Defetaing the Void's invasion of AZEROTH, not a comprehensive defeat. Same as while the Burning Legion might be gone, there are still the eternal forces of Fel/Disorder to deal wtih

[@HikaruItashi]

Thank you for all your insights and work to keep things straight! -a fellow loremaster 😊

[@Tinbobtree]

So, back in the Burning Crusade, Prophet Velen threw the shard of M'uru into the Sunwell and just maybe that woke up Beledar.

[@GabeSteadyGeminiTaylor]

So I know it’s just crazy old me talkin, but what if, in a CRAZY, INSANE twist, we learn that it’s actually the titans who turn out to be the big bads, and the void lords were right all along about whatever they want. Do not ask me HOW or why blizzard could or would do this, I’m just making that a statement of how crazy that would be I’d honestly be blown away

[@laertesindeed]

That would ruin and invalidate everything I like about Warcraft lore, to be honest....... so no, I never ever want them to do that.

[@nataschajordan6053]

it may be possible, that life was always fleshy, and was created by azeroth itself in a fleshy way, cause azeroth is already imbued with all sorts of magic forces - thats why the new force is "blood/flesh/free-will" and the titans took those beeings and "ordered" them into earthen. yes. thats possible, that the "curse of flesh" is just what the titans see in it, cause they cannot grasp free-will and flesh - cause its unorderly and yeah "unruling" that doesnt make the void or old gods "good" it just makes the titans equally narrov-minded and focussed on control as every other force opposing "free-will" (eg Azeroth) in the end, ordering to me starts to sound more and more like "gaining absolut control" making thingsm achine like without free will - cause free will can be chaotic for example.

[@POTATOEMPN]

I think the Titans were once made of flesh and decided to break out of the natural order of things by giving themselves an immortal body like the jailer was trying to do with us. Everybody forgets that was his plan. He wanted to make everyone have a construct body. So that they could be immortal to end the cycle of life and death. He is trying to stop the war between the light and the void entirely so that they wouldn't even be able to need to claim something like a world soul. The real plot twist who's at the jailer was actually the good guy and we fucked up. Which more players would know if they actually read the quests in Zereth Mortis. I mean for Christ sakes if you listen to what the boss is in the enemies are saying in the sepulcher of the first one's. You start the radar entirely unable to understand what they are saying. But as you go through all the quests and you do the raid, the bosses start being able to be read aka you can understand what they say in the entire time basically every boss is warning you to stop doing this. To stop helping the trailer. Because they want the natural order to continue because that's just the way it is. They don't see it as a war they just see it as a natural structuring an ordering of the universe figuring itself out. They are non-interventionist gods.

[@laertesindeed]

@@nataschajordan6053 I have no idea what you mean. Titans are all about free will, they have it themselves, they put it in their keepers, they put it in their watchers, and they wanted it in the mortals they would have created as part of their default plans......if it hadn't been for them discovering old gods that prey upon the minds of fleshy mortals to corrupt and destroy them. So the Titans had to try a plan B.... make the lowest rung of mortals on a temporary basis to have stone or metal bodies and resist the whispers just long enough to finish the repairs and healing of the planet and the containment of the old gods......then they could go back to the default fleshy mortal plan they normally do.... just like happened on Argus and happened on Draenor by Aggramar's design, etc. Eonar makes flesh, Aggramar makes flesh, Aman'thul makes flesh. Free will is their thing.

[@ZakhadWOW]

One only has to watch the first 6 episdoes of Season 4 of Babylon 5 to see exactly what ouyre talking about play out.

[@eyeofthasky]

before go into the disk hologramms: seeing archaedas just makes me think everytime how much it would be helpful now if he were still around and we could ask him stuff-----meanwhile our character also never mentions that _we_ are the reason he isnt around anymore, oopsie ... why the heck did we need to kill him back then?! yeah he was just an obstacle in our grave-robbering, but now with him getting more and more weight, in hindsight it feels more and more excruxiating that we did it. 🙈

[@miriamweller812]

Same reason why the guardians in the emerald dream had to be slaughtered. They were so extreme in their position, that they didn't even try to argue, anyone who dares to enter their area is seen as intruder and has to be killed. The last one is interesting anyway, seeing "change" as a threat in general.

[@patrikzotaj4528]

are old gods enemies of the light and naaru because light and darkness are polar counterparts and opposites.

[@Xenowarrior92]

They can/could make some sort of records journal where you could replay main story events dialogue as voiced while you keep playing...

[@ArchonSeachmall]

Would be interesting if it turned out that a Worldsoul doesn't have be a Titan. That the Titans just enforce Order making it go Titan. Maybe a worldsoul guided by Light would go and become a mega Na'aru, one corrupted by Legion would endup with a Fel Titan, so on and so forth. Maybe with ALL cosmic forces dipping their fingers in the Worldsoul maybe something new will rise.

[@POTATOEMPN]

What do you mean it would be interesting? That's literally the whole plot. They bring it up like 30 times that they're trying to claim it over the void so that it can be a new Titan soul versus a new void soul.

[@ArchonSeachmall]

@@POTATOEMPN but so far those were the only possibilities we've seen. Either void or Titan. Argus didn't seem like a viable way to go with the Fel since he was beaten by a bunch of mortals. The Na'aru aren't worldsouls, nor the void lords. Maybe that's the aim of everybody.

[@miriamweller812]

What yo mean with 'turned out to be'? That's actually what it is. World soulds aren't titans. Never where.

[@ZakhadWOW]

I see Aman'thul effetively as the prime source of the OCD of Order. Remember what happened when Eonor tried to introduce life to Azeroth without his permission or knowledge.. Boy has a penchant for rippig things out of the planet. He was the first "titan" to awaken, and I absolutely see him waking others and telling them all sorts of whatever to get them to go along with him.

[@ArchonSeachmall]

@@ZakhadWOW my thoughts as well. Maybe I'm out of the loop but last info I had was that Worldsouls always end up as Order Titans, and they can just get corrupted by void or Fel. Perhaps Donor is a Life Titan and Aman'thul just gaslights everyone into thinking they're Order Titans.

[@eyeofthasky]

7:07 by the whole'y almighty bami-schijf, i always thought ur swedish or whatnot, but u r dutch?! :o

[@Nobbel87]

lmao yea

[@apacalypsagon3758]

Balance my hiney. I want to pick a side and go ballz deep into this cosmic war and be be done with it

[@Nortrin]

Thanks Baine

[@Hot_SpicyGrill]

The titans make robots, you'd lose your mind at best with them.

[@felixforschner2572]

Azerite is already crystallized worldsoul essenz and its yellow+blue - IF the titans dont lie about Beledar (big if) then why is it not blue? argus? Domination? Arcane?

[@laertesindeed]

Seems more likely that Khaz'goroth is not telling a lie, and he just made a mistaken assumption about Beledar that isn't quite right. The cracks and location in the hallowfall cavity are undeniable evidence suggesting that Beledar came crashing "down" from above.....and never came up from below. If there are naaru inside Beledar, then Archaedas might just be mistakenly interpreting it as world soul essence because he doesn't know all the details about how Light magic works.

[@felixforschner2572]

@@laertesindeed how did so much earth get deposited ontop of beledar after the Crash? I dont get that theory

[@miriamweller812]

@@laertesindeed If anything it looks more like crashing from below. Also: that crystal was likely already there before the sundering, so the whole cave there might simply has come into existence through the sundering, what also means, that the machinery they were cut off from is on the other side of that sea.

[@laertesindeed]

@@felixforschner2572 When something crashes down through sand or soil or rock from above....gravity fills in the hole. Did you never play at the beach as a child?

[@latindwarf8173]

Beledar is clearly light blue around the edges.

[@reiximus9799]

tbh, i was expection a more exciting explanation

[@jasoncrowell8863]

The comment about "has the Titan plan gone too far"...ask yourself what would Lillian Voss say? Anything before death is workable.

[@LiveErrors]

They didnt call Azeroth the Prime Soul, they said they were looking for the Prime Soul and Found Azeroth which contained a powerfull soul

[@Nobbel87]

14:30

[@LiveErrors]

@@Nobbel87 ah, i was reacting to what you said after the first segment, completly missed the part at 14

[@jore5725]

worldsoul saga part 3: Raid Tier 3: fight the titans

[@ShadowsOfThePast]

Azeroth = Optimus Prime I approve this message 😎🤘🏻

[@Demon_Necromaster]

As I understood it there is no true race of Azeroth save the Youngol. The trolls are due to the Well of Eternity hyper evolving them, then a sect of those trolls were further influenced by the well to become Night Elves. So saying everything is Old God/Titan "creations" or aliens isn't quite incorrect. Though since no real Youngol origin has been released I could still be wrong

[@crystalheath8982]

Is it strange that the beladar like crystals are listed as Obstacles.... Like Azeroth is trying to stop the titans from building in her. Why would she want to stop something benevolent

[@DracoDatura]

Great point! I wouldn't call the meddling of the titans benevolent though...

[@Nickuh88]

They're taking a detour from belledar being a Naaru ship I've said it before, I'll say it again. If it didn't crash but rather....this is an origin story for light/void and even chaos too. The birth of a demon has never been explored but we know they're "life". Living beings born from the clash of light and void and pouring out from the turbulence between...the skardyn look...exactly like demons literally sprouting devil horns and resorting to hostility. They also use abilities with synonyms of "chaos" and entropy in general...if conflict is born of negativity and void IS negativity...but also the inherent primitive survival instincts to fight eat and just like Xal said....survival of the fittest...backstab. It's likely the skardyn are meant to be an origin story for how demons are born in the same way that the joining of darkness and light birthed earthen with souls and free will. The point is....if Beledar is just a chunk of worldsoul...what if THAT'S telling us how Naaru are born in the first place? Sure, the ships travel the universe in search of more planets....but so do the titans and old gods....and if the titans are born of world souls, why wouldn't the rest be the same? And if worldsouls are just like mortal souls and composed of good(light) AND evil(void) then the next question to answer would be...how are old gods BORN. And I have a feeling that seed has already been sewn... ..survival of the fittest and the lust for power beyond the mortal coil. And there's only one character with a darkness so strong she literally shattered the continent. Azshara is that face on the mural in azjkahet. She was foretold by the naga to return with the nerubians and this is the nerubian version. That vertical diamond eye in the center of that "old god" is just like Azshara's naga fish head. She went beyond the umbral veil to transcend QUEENDOM to reach GODHOOD. Shes going to return AS an old god and take belledar. It'll be the key to midnight.... ...and that's why ALL elven "tribes" will be banding together...they're going to overcome their original sin...the very queen who split them in the first place....they will unite to overcome. Void and light exist hand in hand. In answering the questions of belledar and the Naaru...crystalized light...they're going to answer the questions of void and the old gods. Demons being a biproduct of a souls darkness...their SIN. Which will tie in revendreth and Denathrius to the legion and Sargeras just around the time for Illidan and Sargeras to return for the titan conflict and justify why "free will" should exist when it means evil is a choice. A robotic god of order on high like amanthul would never understand why evil should exist and likely wants to remove death darkness and chaos altogether for an immortal/ETERNAL utopia of light and order and maybe a little garden of life but nothing more. If the storytelling remains consistent between light and void it's also worth asking about xal'atath....a goddess of darkness...gee, we wouldn't happen to have a "goddess of light" in the cosmic mythos already now would we? Oh, Elune? And they're already acquainted!? Surely answering the mystery of Xal wouldn't also tell us the story of Elune now would it? It sure does seem suspicious that we got so much Elune plot along with Xal in BFA just for Elune to stop with her first mortal interaction....which....was Through a mortal vessel, just like Xal had to use (albeit one with consent and one with force...which really matches the light/void methodology, at)

[@traach5404]

but what about the sword?

[@moirhapsody]

Wait a minute…. Beledar…. Crystal…. Would it be the origin of the Ashbringer’s crystal?

[@Starkiller2725]

I guess we will have to cleanse it as well, considering thebipolar disorder it has.

[@JSIguess]

I have a fourth log entry but it does't do anything.

[@greeneffectltd]

So Azeroth is like an egg that will one day hatch a titan? So the world and everyone living in it are doomed. So what is the point of fighting when in the end it will die no matter what?

[@laertesindeed]

We don't have a single shred of evidence that any planet destroys itself if a Titan world soul wants to manifest. Argus was damaged because the Legion damaged it on purpose.... not anything to do with Argus the soul.

[@greeneffectltd]

@@laertesindeed so the titan manifests itself when the soul is ready to become a titan? Warcraft confuses me now. My birthdate starts with 19 :D

[@laertesindeed]

@@greeneffectltd They are all titans to start with..... not all titans end up joining the Titan Pantheon, though. If a Titan wants to manifest with a temporary fake body, they can do so. There is no apocalyptic event or any such thing..... and we've never seen any evidence there ever was in any of warcraft lore. Literally, people keep bringing it up because they make the blunder of reading lovecraft and not realizing that azathoth has nothing to do with azeroth and never did. So they talk about azathoth lovecraft stuff as if there was any connection to warcraft. There isn't. Azeroth was a name inspired from the novel "Fires of Azeroth" written by C.J. Cherryh in around 1979.

[@greeneffectltd]

@laertesindeed So my main question is this - is there a "baby titan" inside Azeroth or it is just a "mind/soul" of a titan that can and probably will manifest itself one day?

[@miriamweller812]

@@laertesindeed Titans = god of order. So no, world woulds are not titans at all.

[@yallahyallah4220]

more and more this storyarch resembles a very very old mythos of children putting their own mother in stasis to prevent her from birthing more siblings.... remember, for titans ordering and creating means the same.

[@miriamweller812]

Mortals were not able to get rid of the old gods, why do people always ignore what help was needed for that? Overall even majority of class talents come from cosmic forces in the end. Death Magic, Life Magic, Order Magic, Void Magic, Chaos Magic, Light Magic. N'Zoth is pretty much the only old god that was fought at halfway full power and again: it was Xal'atath who opened the way and Azeroth who killed him. Mortals on their own? Could have done shit. Even with all the training to not just instantly go insane by just being close to N'Zoth - what again neeed Azeroth to even be effective. The others... are likely not even "dead", the old gods are just a very weird life form, but it's more than clear with TWW alone again, that their power is still around and everywhere. That's simply just not a concept that is normal for what we understand as life. When a human is dead, they are simply just a corpse, that's it. When an old god is 'dead', all its power still remains, can still corrupt, can still cause unspeakable things and likely also return that old god whole. It's very likely more Xal'atath's doing, that this doesn't happen than any mortals.

[@MrButchersTube]

How is beledar tho. That's the question we should be asking ourselves. Maybe check in on a interdimesional void lord once in a while bros.

[@xR3DST4Rx]

I hope this is reliable info. I hate the unreliable information trope they are addicted too now. Its the one thing I wish they didnt copy from Warhammer. It’s lazy and they do it just so they can retcon things in the future without it actually being a retcon cause “point of view”. Just don’t give me an answer if the writers aren’t ready to commit.

[@laertesindeed]

By definition.... it cannot be reliable narration..... because it's just Archaedas saying that he heard from Khaz'goroth that they kinda believe it might be world soul essence.... right after they explained that they can't see everything going on under the surface and needed to build a tunnel to go all the way down there to investigate. If they don't fully understand how Light magic works, then they'd make a mistake and call a naaru space ship a chunk of world soul essence. They'd be wrong..... but not villains.

[@miriamweller812]

That's not lazy, that's how thing are, child. While there is only one reality, there are endless possible perspectives of it and that before you add any lie. And you don't know what retcon means. It's called retcon when you implement something with the demands that it had always been like this, even though it make zero sense that no one had ever talked about it before. For example: If you got a story about a city and then there is a new information that below that city is a giant, hidden maze since thousands of years. that's no retcon, because it's simply nothing obvious that everyone should know about, because it's hidden, so it's absolutely possible, that no one knew about it to that point. If you instead say, that there is a giant tower in the middle of the city since thousands of years. That's a retcon, because obviously everyone must have seen a giant tower in the middle of the city the whole time.

[@gloameyedprince]

@@miriamweller812 Well said.

[@LeeroyJenkins94]

how can tehy still have faith for the titans plans?? after the titans literally had a failsave construct that was about tho destroy them if we werent there. Seems like the earthen have some heavy case of stockholm syndrome

[@Fyre19]

this my frist time hearing of beledar what is it

[@nzwj]

The big giant crystal that illuminates Hallowfall

[@regalgiant1597]

Azeroth has the greatest of world souls. Erg, painful to read.

[@nataschajordan6053]

what the titans say/claim, and the earthen, as yet non-thinking-servants seem to suggest Beledar is, according to what titans TOLD THEM there - corrected it for u ,-) it may be possible, that life was always fleshy, and was created by azeroth itself in a fleshy way, cause azeroth is already imbued with all sorts of cosmic forces - thats why the new force is "blood/flesh/free-will" and the titans took those beeings and "ordered" them into earthen. yes. thats possible, that the "curse of flesh" is just what the titans see in it, cause they cannot grasp free-will and flesh - cause its unorderly and yeah "unruling", chaotic. etc. i think we beeing already ARE a mixture of all cosmic forces, thats why we originally were fleshy to begin with. when titans arrived, they saw it, didnt understand it, thought it was chaos and evil - deemed it "curse of flesh" - maybe the actual curse of flesh was a "re-origination" to fleshy, back to fleshy so to speak. it was their original state, titans turned them earthen - they turned BACK to flesh. maybe the Wardens of the titans didnt even KNOW the Titans made flesh beeing into Earthen. thats why the wardens though it was a curse. but it was the orininal state the titans turned into earthen/machinery. i think the titans also lied to part of their servants too. that doesnt make the void or old gods "good" it just makes the titans equally narrow-minded and focussed on control as every other force opposing "free-will" (eg Azeroth) in the end, ordering to me starts to sound more and more like "gaining absolut control" making things machine like without free will - cause free will can be chaotic for example. i think Azeroth gave birth to all sorts of fleshy beeings to BEGIN with, then Titans arrived, saw it, freaked out, and started their "ordering" cause they thought its old-god-corruption, chaos etc - but we are free will and the amalgamation of all cosmic forces. void, light,arcane, life, chaos, death = FLESH+Free Will and thats what Azeroth supposed to be in the first place - now every cosmic force - including titans - feels maximum threatened about this, about us.

[@jkranites]

Straight up FFXIV copy paste to WOW. Like Blozz needs to come up with their own ideas

[@miriamweller812]

FFXIV is copy paste, yes. There was by the was never a world soul in FFXIV at all. Zodiark was a creation of the real life to save the planet. Hydaelyn was even less, just a single ultra fascist who somehow got the power to slaughter the whole world and rip it apart. The whole crystal and light vs dark BS was never real, obviously because Square is just milking the game since the second addon Stormblood and doesn't give a singel F about to make it any more than the player chars just winning by plot armor and don't have to think about anything, including that they are literally worshipping and mass murdering for Super Magical Genderbend German Dictator.

[@jkranites]

@@miriamweller812 actually there was. Literally mentioned in ARR and when you start the game. Stop making stuff up

[@ferno_verdugo82]

I’m curious if someday blizzard will put A.I in all the npc’s so they have they’r own personality and are able to speak and hear them instead of them just talking and no sound coming out 😃

[@Snowshill]

wait wait wait beldar might be wows version of ff14s mothercrytal ? .... lmao please tell me this isn't reall xD

[@geek593]

The Mothercrystal in XIV ended up being a stockpile of energy and a place for a goddess to sleep in a safe place between dimensions. Beledar is more of a natural phenomenon caused by the planet itself being the sleeping goddess. So it's a spiritual geological formation separate from the planet's core. Considering they kind of fucked up the Mothercrystal in Endwalker this might end up being better.

[@miriamweller812]

The cryastal in FF14 were a lie. Zodiark is actually the savior of the planet and was never evil nor a dark crystal and Hydaelyn was never anything else than a single person who somehow got the unexplainable power to kill all life, rip apart reality and souls and createa a f*** up, outbleeding torture 3. Reich out of these shreds, what the game then sells as good and right and reasonabel to mass murder for and sacrifice whole time lines to keep in place.

[@Xerocoo]

Azerite… long short of it lol

[@leloo12n1]

Not quite azerite was the blood of azeroth, beledar is it's essence given form, hence why Anduin says they feel similar like of same origin but different.

[@aeoxgaming8128]

Just make the lore good, i know it simplyfying alot of things but you can tell they are not writing the story with passion at all, they are tip toeing around issues as not to offend. They are scared to be creative and the story is just boring as hell. And thats coming from someone who has loved the warcraft lore for 20 years. They are cowardly and they are paying for it by players not giving a shit about their story...

[@Tyranno-Bore-Us]

I hope they stop explaining everything...

[@POTATOEMPN]

This is exactly the thing that I said the very first time I saw beldar in one of the trailers. It's a shard of pure cosmic energy. Unaspected energy, meaning whoever claims it can seed their own form of life. Of the void claims it, ot becomes another void peince or something. If the titans claim it, its another titan. I wonder what happens when Illidan comes back to claim ot for the Fel. A fragment of the universe itself. And there are several of them on azeroth. The one that we know off is Belladonna are is actually the one that created ungoro crator in the first place. The Titans didn't create Ungoro, they just used it. I know for a fact that the other one that we will know of is in northrend. The nice super green zone of northrend..... It's why there was a whole different new Ruby and empire up there as they were trying to fight the Titans constantly to get ahold of this other shard up there. And I can say that I'm probably literally the only person on the earth that knew that this was coming 15 to 17 years ago. The first time I played through ungoro crater. Potentially one of the most important zones in the game. And no one knows it.