What Books Came the Closest to Being in the Bible?

[@_equalo]

Ever since I came across the Didache I always wished it had been included in the Bible. Not as a part of the body of Scripture that is considered canon today, but in the front of our Bibles as a sort of forward or intro. Something where it is expressed that it isn’t on the level of authoritative scripture, but is something that accurately reflects the teachings of the apostles. I feel like it would bring clarity to the Christian community on so many topics that have become controversial in Christianity. Things like prosperity gospel, abortion, giving, and self-proclaimed prophets are all clearly covered in it. And I know these topics can all more or less be laid to rest through other parts of the Bible, but none quite so clearly as in the Didache.

[@FlowLai]

What are the clarifications provided?

[@albertito77]

every bookshelf should have a copy of the Apostolic Fathers. This is the name we give to the writings within a generation of the death of the Apostles. Most of these authors knew Apostles personally. Wow. We cannot ignore what they are saying

[@nickjankowski9136]

Dude. I’ve watched like 8 of your videos and I just have to say your analogies are top notch! All around, thanks for doing what you do!

[@KevinMakins]

Dude. Super helpful and focused. Thanks. Glad to see other Christian KZbin channels.

[@MarDamas]

Very interesting! Out of curiosity, are you going to touch on the Book of Mormon? Not a Mormon myself, just wondering.

[@SmarterEveryDay2]

I'm more interested in whether or not you're going to button your shirt up one more button.

[@MarDamas]

Smarter Every Day 2 , hey Destin, big fan!

[@U1TR4F0RCE]

If he does it would be interesting for him to touch on a few of the fringe of christianity stuff like the millerites, the mormans, evangelicalism, and prosperity theology.

[@MattWhitmanTMBH]

+U1TR4F0RCE It would be fun, but LOL to Evangelicals being on that list.

[@TasJess]

Destin, you know he is just hinting the needs some gold chains and a special comb for his chest hair #christmasiscoming

[@jonathanvanderpol1435]

Listening to your points about authorship, how does the book of Hebrews fit into the canon of scripture, as it sounds like you were saying that one of the problems with Didache was the fact that it couldn't be attributed to a specific apostle? I know when I was growing up, many thought that Hebrews was authored by Paul, but to me, it doesn't seem to fit his style at all, as he never identifies himself in it, where the other letters by Paul did have self-identification. I personally am comfortable with the canon as it has been handed down from the early church, but I was wondering if you could respond as to how Hebrews was acceptable, even though we don't know who authored it.

[@ChrisHendricks]

Curious about Matt's take on it too.

[@skepticalfaith5201]

@Glorfindel SWTOR - Nice synopsis. I found the epistle of Barnabas to be very similar in style to Hebrews and now consider him to be the probable author.

[@matthewboland5598]

Very good analogy with national park/ not national park. Well played, Matt; well played...

[@ElCaballoTV]

The logic is strong with this one

[@dimesonhiseyes9134]

Watching this for a 2nd time after a year. Still a fantastic vid.

[@TheDjcarter1966]

Funny just got one minute in and soon as you started talking about the subject I guessed the books, obviously because I've studied just a little...be careful Matt all this studying of the early Church fathers and their writings might lead you home...signed recent Catholic Convert after 50 years a Protestant ;)

[@anotherpointofview222]

Which goes to show, it is possible to be ever learning and never come to the knowledge of Truth.

[@TheDjcarter1966]

@@anotherpointofview222 This comment was a few years ago after I was a new convert and was a little over zealous, I did have a future back and forth with Matt and hopefully smoothed things over a little in my approach however the substance is the same I'm very content in the Church and the knowledge that in Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition as the one complete deposit of faith she holds the Truth ;)

[@biblelife527]

The way you make things so relatable is amazing! I can't get enough! Did you have to learn how to do that or has it always came natural? Either way great job Matt 👏 you truly are a master of your craft!

[@murrismiller2312]

please note: this is NOT an Orthodox perspective on these books. Eastern Orthodox have always ranked books ( most informaly) as being of different levels of importance. 1st( Bible collection)... 2nd( apocrypha)... 3rd ( letters of Apostles )... 4th ( letters of saints ), etc

[@murrismiller2312]

i love thos mans passion & homework 👍👍👍

[@Hoagytwo]

I'd be really interested on a video on baptism and arguments for and against its absolute necessity (you can't get into heaven without it).

[@bgp001]

I've read The Didache and The Shepherd of Hermas. Really liked The Didache and recommend it for all.

[@malgorzatachp]

Maybe it wasn't his business. Maybe it was. This is pretty much the oldest extrabiblical evidence on special role of bishop of Rome (especially that John the Apostle was still alive, living closer to Corint than Clement, and could resolve problems with authority of one of The Twelve).

[@josephstagnitto7832]

Matt thank you thank you thank you for bringing these important works to everyone's attention. Didn't make the canon but these works are still important for reading and edification as they were in the times they were written.

[@reptoidband]

This beautiful, intelligent, spirit filled man is on the edge of joining the Universal Church. Can feel it.

[@meredithpost1162]

Dennie, I was thinking the very same thing! I have just discovered this channel, and feel it's only a matter of time before Marcus Grodi is interviewing him on The Journey Home program.

[@lifewasgiventous1614]

He has the same attitude in all his videos, really a great channel.

[@IamGrimalkin]

Yeah, interesting video. But you didn't talk the two other books I mentioned, the Apocalypse of Peter and the Acts of Paul. The reason I mentioned those was that they are both in the Codex Claromontanus list; the Apocalypse of Peter also appears in the Muratorian fragment, and parts of the Acts of Paul appeared in some Oriental Orthodox bibles until the 17th century.

[@daviddentist]

Hey Matt! Great video, hope to meet in person someday.

[@acyutanandadas1326]

Topic--the ten minute Bible hour is neither ten minutes or an hour---discuss

[@jeremyhaugen273]

Great video... catching up on Acts, but jumped to here. What do you think of some of the other 'Gospels" Gnostic Gospels... ie, The Infancy Gospel of Thomas, The Gospel of Mary, the Gospel of Thomas, or even the Gospel of Judas?

[@bromponie7330]

Most date from mid-2nd century onwards, are not written by their suggested authors, and they are filled with many legendary embellishments. Nonetheless, many do contain some vital and/or interesting historical truths and kernels, so it's best not to completely dismiss them - even if they aren't entirely accurate ;)

[@EmethMatthew]

He has another video discussing several of these from a couple weeks ago.

[@jamesbeliveau1883]

I'd like to hear your view on the epistle of Barnabas... thank you... God bless

[@Ben-br1bu]

I don‘t know, the didache seems to be very legalistic and even says That we are supposed to keep the diatery laws of the old testament...

[@JoshieboyStudios]

The first manuscripts found of the Didache were from a Coptic monetary. Later Didache documents found (as well as documents that referenced it) had other alterations and omissions. It seems that different Christian communities had different versions that had additions that fit into that specific community of Christians. The same way some churches have communion every Sunday and others only every now and again. The same way the baptismal at one church might have warm water and the other have cold water. Given that the document deals mainly with secondary teachings to salvation, Early church Bishops allowed these differences.

[@tjcam13]

I know this has nothing to do with the content of this video, but why do you move your action figures in every movie? Anybody else notice that?

[@albertito77]

These books aren't scripture but I encourage everyone to read them. By an edition of Lightfoot. It's pretty much picks up where the epistles of Paul and Acts leave off. And they provide essential contextualisation of the New Testament. Some questions, Eg baptism, can be a little confusing with the NT alone.

[@billmartin3561]

Great video. Would love to see a similar video on the 5 books that ARE the canon, but almost didn’t make it. Timothy, Titus, Revelation, etc…

[@johnbutler7321]

Excellent, balanced apologetic for reading legit Christian works from the apostolic and patristic eras. Much there that is well worth reading for Christians without making the canonical cut.

[@richardkramer4076]

Generally a good video, but you should have mentioned more specifically who rejected these items for canonization. It was the RCC. You correctly point out Clement was the Bishop of Rome, but he was the 4th Pope after Peter, Linus and Cletus, and while not deemed Scripture by the RCC (a false Protestant misconception is that popes are "infallible" on everything they write or say), it is authoritative in that it shows the primacy of the Bishop of Rome (he was called a Pope later) as regarded by other churches who had their own Catholic bishops in their towns. The church at Corinth heeded the admonition of Clement and his primacy as the Bishop of Rome, in the seat of Peter, even though the original apostle John was alive and well and lived much closer to Corinth...but they went to Rome to settle the conflict. I think the writings of Hermas were a lot earlier than you mentioned...not mid-second century, but more like late first century or early 2nd century.

[@thunderstruck5484]

That’s an interesting point about of course there’s more written about those times that aren’t included in the Bible, and that got me thinking, surely Pilate and Nicodemus did a lot of writing, are there any other accounts of the events surrounding our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ? Maybe a different angle or take on the events , are there any documents or scrolls or tablets hidden for example in the Vatican? Thanks and Praise God and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

[@Openreality]

Shepherd of Hermas is really fluff and hard to make heads or tales of it. The verbage doesn't really work right.

[@burgers8]

Your final comments remind me of some examples of popular Christian literature that are a little bit... extrabiblical.

[@Pastor4all52]

I would like you to address the textus Receptus vs. the critical text.

[@abundantlifestyle1508]

Beautiful- ler 😂😂 took me out!!! Great content sir!!!

[@jskuzma]

I don't know about that tribute band point. I think any normal person would say that All Along the Watchtower is now Jimi Hendrix's song.

[@drosprey]

I think the point is, that the Jimi Hendrix version would never be on a Bob Dylan's greatest hits album. There can be good or great Christian writings, but they are not included in cannon. Its easy to find compendiums of books by Christian authors that can be good and valuable to read, but they are only tributes to scripture.

[@MattWhitmanTMBH]

Agreed on All Along the Watchtower, but when I say "tribute band" I mean a band that pretends to be a popular band for fun and plays that famous band's catalog in a way that closely mimics the original band. What you're describing is a cover, that's where one artist takes another artist's song and makes it their own. There are plenty of examples of successful covers, but no examples of wildly successful tribute band covers. Hopefully that clarifies my point in the video.

[@jskuzma]

You're absolutely right. I totally got what you were saying but just wanted to make a joke. Should have included the /s. Love the videos, keep at them!

[@MattWhitmanTMBH]

+jskuzma LOL. I'm tracking now.

[@YoungMonkeyMusic]

Great video. Can you dissect Matthew 5:17-20? Does this teach that we should still obey the Law, knowing that our Salvation is still through Jesus and Him alone?

[@Nomen_Latinum]

Paul deals with this exact question in great detail, in his letter to the Galatians. Give it a read, you will likely find the answer you're looking for.

[@mattdirksen5986]

I don't know if Matt wants me to say this on here so feel free to remove if you want (matt), but you should listen to Lander Evangelical Free Church's sermons. Matt walks through Matthew (especially Ch. 5) in order to break down the meaning of that sermon in a way that very few pastor's choose to do (in my experience). Anyway, it was groundbreaking for me. Keep up the great discussions!

[@MelanCholy2001]

Luke 16:31.

[@chrissmithnotw]

Can someone use those books to help interpret the Bible? Since those books were written close to the time period, does it show how the early church interpreted the Bible?

[@jozefdag6563]

I think it would be done taking in consideration what was already the oral tradition. So if something could be interpreted as contradicting what was already believe but also affirm it, then it would be interpreted as the latter. Now keep in mind we talk about a time where the apostels tought the "Bishops" who would in turn pass on the faith. But there are just toughts, I wouldn't actually dare to make a statement on that.

[@jmorra]

1:32...Paul is dead. Turn me on, dead man.

[@DANtheMANofSIPA]

The Didache was the first catechism book

[@JedWyse]

I actually really enjoyed 1st Clement and Didache but wasn't too big a fan of Shepherd of Hermas. I think theres alot of good to learn from 1st Clement even though its pretty much-pasted pieces of already written scriptures, and Didache is super practicle, but Hermas is very anti grace oriented that I didn't like and was focused on being perfect.

[@mungzou6135]

Matt. Can you please share what those books says about the Eucharist, baptism, Church?

[@davidfigueroa8188]

Eucharist: “Assemble on the Lord’s day, and break bread and offer the Eucharist; but first make confession of your faults, so that your sacrifice may be a pure one. Anyone who has a difference with his fellow is not to take part with you until he has been reconciled, so as to avoid any profanation of your sacrifice For this is the offering of which the Lord has said, ‘Everywhere and always bring me a sacrifice that is undefiled, for I am a great king, says the Lord, and my name is the wonder of nations’”. (Didache 14) “Our sin will not be small if we eject from the episcopate those who blamelessly and holily have offered its sacrifices.” (1 Clement 44) Baptism: “After the foregoing instructions, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living [running] water. If you have no living water, then baptize in other water, and if you are not able in cold, then in warm. If you have neither, pour water three times on the head, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Before baptism, let the one baptizing and the one to be baptized fast, as also any others who are able. Command the one who is to be baptized to fast beforehand for one or two days.” (Didache 7) “‘I have heard, sir,’ said I [to the Shepherd], ‘from some teacher, that there is no other repentance except that which took place when we went down into the water and obtained the remission of our former sins.’ He said to me, ‘You have heard rightly, for so it is’” (shepherd of Hermas 4) These books in particular didn’t write anything specifically about Church, but several contemporary sources mention it, such as Justin Martyr.

[@xandro2445]

Does the didache in a way prove baptism by immersion only wrong?

[@jesusstudentbrett]

First cut of the NT Canon in 390 AD when the Apostolic Constitutions was released, 1 Clement to the Corinthians was the 28th book of the NT. It later got put out. As for the Phoenix, consider this, since the appearance is only every 500 years, how could we possibly be 100% confident this bird, that so matches the analogy as Clement poses of Jesus on the cross and then the resurrection, does not exist or appear every 500 years ...poof, rebirth. Have you not really taken a look at the WEIRD animals all over the world. I suggest you do that... and maybe rethink that maybe Clement ...maybe know what he was saying... maybe.

[@kerwn-lh5zf]

What do you think of "The Book of Enoch"?

[@pauljburgess7423]

Supportive comment.

[@nosuchthing8]

Random thumbs up

[@abaker4692]

I wish i knew you when i was in Wyoming a lot.

[@anissueofursincerity]

The idea there was ever supposed to be a Bible and what the concept of it is, is not itself taught in the Bible. The Bible does teach that Jesus established a church, and his church established traditions including the Bible.

[@stevecedeno2909]

The Didache does summarize many of Jesus’s teaching nicely and the church procedures are helpful. But it is missing the most important part of the New Testament: the way of salvation. Perhaps this was a consideration in leaving it out.

[@anotherpointofview222]

Very well done. Very personable. Insightful. Sounds like a man of a humble heart, blessed with understanding from Yah.

[@Sylvia-of9hj]

Could Paul have written the Didache? I heard that Paul wasn't actually executed in Rome, but he went on to live into his '70s in Macedonia.

[@jesusstudentbrett]

Thanks for this, I am so tired of people bashing Volume 1 of the Ante Nicene Fathers books(later first century AD and 2nd century), it is refreshing to hear someone open minded that maybe, even though since we don't have lots of copies and could have some errors, just like the NT manuscripts do, albeit we have over 5800 Greek manuscripts, that we have no problem getting what is authentic, that this DIDACHE (Greek for teaching Διδαχη), is an amazingly edifying book. Particularly the TWO WAYS have root in the core message of the NT, assuming someone has shaken free of the misunderstandings of Paul that 2 Peter 3:15-17 warns were happening due to the difficulty in understanding what Paul is saying. The contents of the Didache can be detected in many many early chrisitan writings in the 2nd and 3rd centuries, such as it saying to FAST on Wednesday and Friday. We hear people speak of the Teaching in this period, and maybe they referred to this. We have to be honest, we don't know. All we do know, is the NT Canon was sufficed to not be UNIVERSALized (GENERALIZED the meaning of "Katholic") until late 300s. I find this interesting, the metamorphosis that the church was undergoing when Roman Emperor Constantine stopped killing Christians with the Edict of Milan in 313 AD and started embracing the Church. People like Eusebius was deceived to think this was of God, but seeing what was happening to the church, it is not hard to see this was Satan. So all that to say, it is not until Eusebius refers to a "Teaching" document aka Didache, not be accepted by all Bishops, in his church history, that you can see what you said, which was around 300 AD. That hardly qualifies to say the Early Church rejected it for scripture. Many churches used it, and we just don't have enough documentation to know either way. Right?

[@GeorgePenton-np9rh]

If we love the Bible, let us keep in mind that the Bible's canon was fixed by the Catholic Church at the Council of Rome in 382, and ratified by Pope Damasus, pope at the time. Every time you crack open your Bible, thank the Catholic Church.

[@MattWhitmanTMBH]

That is a well-stated description of the Catholic position on the issue.

[@joshuakwan9536]

The Ten Minute Bible Hour May God grant me the kind of diplomacy and skill with words that you have lol

[@klub7justin]

Not catholic but Orthodox Church

[@brianwinters2131]

Very interesting facts. I have read all 3 as a pastoral student and it is obviously not of the same nature as the new testament.

[@Christopher_Wheeler]

Another great video, Matt!

[@cristerowarrior1450]

Those books used to be mandatory reading before touching anything in the New Testament

[@hectorortega2208]

XD funny the phoenix stuff jeje Thanks for the videos 😉

[@PRINCESS2527]

So as Christians should we read those books? Aren’t those books like reading the 14 lost books ? And I thought the didache doesn’t speak of Jesus

[@drserr6581]

The Didache does mention Jesus. It talks about how you should receive the Eucharist, mentions that Jesus commands us to pray the Our Father, to baptize in the name of The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, gives thanks to The Son, - so yea it does mention him multiple times. I would personally recommend reading it

[@HuffleRuff]

Maybe we should hold to these books the same way the Jews held to the apocrypha; they're good reads, have good lessons, maybe some historical purpose, but just not cannon scripture, that is, not through any sort of divine inspiration.

[@davidfigueroa8188]

Please provide proof that the Jews had a closed canon at the time of Christ.

[@HuffleRuff]

@@davidfigueroa8188 I have no idea what you mean by "closed canon". They had books they held in respect, but not as scripture. They're the apocryphal books the Roman Catholic church holds as scripture.

[@davidfigueroa8188]

HuffleRuff The Jews didn’t have a closed canon at the time of Christ. Nobody knew what books were inspired and which weren’t. The Jews didn’t decide which books to consider as scripture until nearly a century after Christ. By that time, the Church already considered the Deuterocanonical books to be scripture.

[@HuffleRuff]

@@davidfigueroa8188 that's just false. They had books they considered inspired scripture. The Tanakh has been a thing since long before the time is Jesus

[@davidfigueroa8188]

@@HuffleRuff The Pharisees used the modern Protestant canon minus Song of Songs and Esther. The Sadducees only recognized the Torah. The Essenes used the modern Catholic canon plus the books of Enoch, Jubilees, and some others. Alexandrian Jews used more or less the modern Eastern Orthodox canon. There was no single agreed upon canon.

[@julienalonso22]

just say it, shephard of hermas is spinoff fanfiction.

[@melaneeosullivan5805]

Love your channel

[@jeremydavie4484]

The Didache has a couple of very explicit codes of conduct that are not present in the New Testament that people argue about today, such as abortion and sodomy. I also think it is interesting how it calls prophets the "high priests." It makes me wonder if the Catholic Church views priests as prophets from God. Would you base some very important life decisions around extrabiblical sources if they at least line up with Biblical guidelines?

[@GeorgePenton-np9rh]

Catholics do not see priests as prophets, if you define a prophet as someone who predicts the future (some individual priests may have seen prophetic visions,but nuns and laypeople have had these, also, and in any case these are seen but rarely).

[@pjf2675]

I know this is off topic; but I have a question about Mark 3:28-30 and Matthew 12:31-32 where it says that there is only one sin that cannot be forgiven; to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. For me at a very timely point in my life this was a statement that I can trust in the Holy Spirit's message that my gravest sin (That which I thought was unforgiveable) is forgiven. Can you discuss this in more depth? How do we blaspheme against the Holy Spirit?

[@skepticalfaith5201]

@PJ Flyers - If you believe in Jesus and are worried about whether you _have_ committed the unforgivable sin, you haven’t committed the unforgivable sin. “For it is impossible to renew them to repentance.” (Paraphrased)

[@MrTadfortitude]

I would appreciate if you would kindly sight your source of where the early church rejected the Didache' as scripture. Because in my studies I find that it was absolutely held as scripture and the only reason it wasn't included in the Bible was because at that time we didn't have full quality early enough copies. Which later were recovered, but that is the only reason it wasn't entered into the Canon. So some source would be great. Thanks.

[@GeorgePenton-np9rh]

My understanding was that the Church rejected the Didache because it was written in the second century and was not considered old enough to be in the Bible.

[@pamelagoodman8405]

What about Enoch?

[@j.dieason7527]

I know this is 6 plus yrs old… but what hat are you wearing?

[@samsmusichub]

So insightful. Thank you!

[@AlexCFaulkner]

13:30 ...and to time the music for the sick throwback. XD

[@MattWhitmanTMBH]

...and I think we can agree I wasn't exaggerating about the sickness level of that throwback.

[@AlexCFaulkner]

The Ten Minute Bible Hour This is very true. Haha! Thanks for sharing your wisdom in both Bible knowledge and music sickness!

[@NoBite2]

Thanks, Matt. I had not heard of these books. Quite interesting, as all your videos are.

[@csims.22]

This was really helpful, thank you!

[@Qenton]

Wow, I've never heard of all three of those. I chatted a lot with many Seminary Graduates, mostly from Fuller Seminary, and although the rest series was stuff I already knew about, this was completely new! Thanks. Love learning new things.

[@standrewsuczlusaka8516]

A Pope is the second century?

[@skyskrapa8832]

Dude u gotta stop with the mixed wine

[@grantguikema9821]

New testament was all written by the apostles, and is primarily used for liturgical purposes ( at the time thats how people heard the Gospel) the didiche was lost for a long time, and when found confirmed alot of what the church (eastern) was doing. And just because things are not in scripture doesn't mean they are not valid teaching. Clement, Ignatius, Polycarp, Barbabas all studied under the Apostles.... what they have to say is super important. (Everyone loved the Shepard) Athenatious called it a blessed book. All good stuff but not valid for liturgical use.

[@ceyonmitchell]

The part about pouring water on someone to baptize the is invalid! The Bible says baptism requires plenty of water therefore the person has to be submerged

[@brady1407]

Ceyon Mitchell That is your personal interpretation. That interpretation was not extant for well over 1500 years. All the original reformers accepted it. It is a historical novelty. Who do we believe, the early Church father’s, the literal students of the twelve apostles, or some 1600s heretics who broke off of a church that has verifiable roots in the Apostolic Church

[@GeorgePenton-np9rh]

John's baptism was by full immersion but John's baptism was o ly a type, or prefigure, of Christian Baptism, which h only requires that some water flow across the forehead. See Acts 19:1-5.

[@IndyDefense]

1:31 The walrus was Paul.

[@pollyjetix2027]

How would a Christian know in 75 AD how to believe about theology and practical Christian living? Same way the Apostles knew. Every christian was expected to be filled with the Spirit, and operate in the miraculous gifts, such as tongues and prophecy. Otherwise, Acts 7 makes no sense. (Why would the disciples risk their lives to make sure the Samaritans received the Holy Spirit, if everyone automatically received, and some received with no outward evidence?) And otherwise, I Cor 14 makes no sense. (Why tell the Corinthian Christians that he wanted them all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy, if not everyone could have those gifts?) First Century believers were all expected to operate in the spiritual gifts, just like the Apostles. And there is plentiful proof that this was the case for several centuries.

[@brady1407]

polly jetix There is absolutely no evidence of “Pentecostal” theology at all throughout history. I’ve looked. Pentecostal theology is Gnosticism on steroids. Some early disciples had gifts of the Holy Spirit but by and large they relied on the local bishops who were the students of the Apostles.

[@sampickett3843]

Thanks Matt. I love the way you explain things. For the past several years I have been trying to figure out the whole story of God and how all the different parts of the Bible fit together. I have figured out that there will always be mysteries, that for the most part are not understandable, but, I still feel compelled to chip away at some of the mystery. You help me with that.

[@MattWhitmanTMBH]

Thanks Sam.

[@abrhmsancehz]

There are other great youtube channels (besides this one) that can help you in your quest to understand the story of the Bible. I would suggest you take a look at The Bible Project kzbin.info

[@purplejoeler]

Would you call it a brandtastraphy with the way the Corinthians tried combing Christian and Greek ideas?

[@MattWhitmanTMBH]

I see what you did there and I like it.

[@shirleygoss1988]

@@MattWhitmanTMBH Curiously, what denomination do you affiliate with? You appear to be very knowledgeable, on the early church?

[@TroyLFullerton]

I really like you analogies, Matt!

[@jivy_league9855]

the phoenix thing is allagory lol, that doesnt make it not biblical. its the same as baptism, ressurection, and jesus temptation in the wilderness.

[@dkgrace6743]

What do you believe about the bible? Is it God's perfect word as some claim? Do you think it is without error? Which bible do you use?

[@BryGy]

I love the analogy between Yellowstone and the Winds.

[@MattWhitmanTMBH]

+Bryan Steffen Thanks man. Have you visited both?

[@BryGy]

I've been to Yellowstone twice, the last time 20 years ago. I also did a NOLS backpacking course through the winds all the way back in '95. Outside of my wife and kids, it was the most impactful 28 days off my life. The time in the mountains, the solitude, the friendship. It was an experience that is clear in my mind to this day. I still have the USGS maps of our route.

[@MattWhitmanTMBH]

+Bryan Steffen Fantastic! I've got some amazing moments in these mountains myself. Say hello if you make it back this way.

[@theolegrod4282]

Good vid! :)

[@duckymomo7935]

2/3 Books were way too late (mid 2nd century All of the canon books were before end of 1st century AD except maybe some Johannine books (latest 110 but really stretching it) Dídache, written within first century(or way too late in 2nd century), could’ve produced a works based salvation The apostolic writings do make reference to them but they are sometimes not authoritative lol

[@jasonpratt5126]

Actually, there are some technical arguments that 1 Clem and Hermas do date to the 1st century, maybe even before 70. (Ditto the Didache.) Doesn't mean they should be canon, and the arguments aren't decisive, but the case isn't shut.

[@EmethMatthew]

Also, there's nothing magical about the first century that makes those dates important OTHER THAN the rest of the scriptural books having a direct connection to a living apostle, which is why Matt focuses on THAT aspect rather than the specific dates. Presumably that's why the date rule came about in general, but it's not like there was an academic deadline for the scripture to be submitted and these ones were just late entries... That's a bit of an arbitrary rule without the more substantial "directly connected to someone who saw Jesus first hand".

[@bromponie7330]

1 Clement dates to 96/97 AD, though a few scholars do hold to a ~70 AD date. The Didache's exact composition is much more vague, and it's difficult to pin-point, but probably somewhere within 80 - 150 AD, or even earlier. The Shepard of Hermas dates to about ~140 AD.

[@GeorgePenton-np9rh]

But salvation is works based, at least in part. See James 2:22-24, Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 16:27, Ephesians 2:10, James 1:22, and 1 Corinthians 13:13 (good works and charity are the same thing).

[@mattasmayo]

How does Clement quoting scripture differ from Jesus quoting from scripture as support?

[@MattWhitmanTMBH]

+Matt Mayo That's a great question Matt. Jesus was quoting from the Old Testament all the while claiming to be the fulfillment of that Old Testament and the initiator of a new covenant with God. Clement on the other hand, is citing New Testament scripture left and right and claiming to offer teaching that is subservient to that of Christ and the existing scriptures. Jesus use of scripture indicates that he views himself as authoritative over scripture and as the fulfillment of scripture, while Clement's use of scripture makes it clear that he is talking about something that is already in place not something that he is creating anew or offering a unique divinely inspired fresh take on.

[@mattasmayo]

The Ten Minute Bible Hour That’s a critical difference for sure. I had thought that other authors of the New Testament had cited each other as well but that doesn’t seem to happen much. (Some other smart person pointed out that) Peter refers to Paul’s letters without a quote and Paul cites the words of Jesus from Luke but I really would have have been fairly sure it happened more.

[@jesusstudentbrett]

My friend, the only source the says what you said about the when and who wrote the Shepherd of Hermas is the mysterious Muratorian Fragment. That is all... and we have NO IDEA who wrote the Muratorian Fragment. Many of its opinions about bible books do not agree with Early Church Greek Father's opinions about bible books. We just don't know who produces the Muratorian Fragment, so let's not say as FACT that the Roman Pope's brother wrote it, but as Irenaeus, 180 AD, who as a student of Polycarp, who died as a martyr in 157 AD and was a student of John the Apostles, said, Irenaeus that is, that the Shepherd of Hermas is scripture. That is what he said, as I have seen it translated. Is it not possible that the Hermas that Paul refers to was this Hermas. Many scholars think that is a possibility. To your point of saying that the SOH does not mention Jesus or other apostles etc... the Epistle of Philemon says nothing about Jesus or apostles. By the way, the NT and Jesus' gospel is "behaviorally" oriented. I hope you are not one of those who think Paul's discussion in Romans 3 and 4 about Circumcision he calls Works of the Law as not saving you, or Justifying you before God, but so many misunderstand and think he is talking about Good works not having anything to do with how God view you. Acts 10:34-35 God only accepts those who work Righteousness and Fear God. Hence, BEHAVIORALLY oriented.

[@leatherpastor]

Wish the Didache had been canonized. It would have solved baptism debates over how much water should be used that have plagued Christianity for centuries. Also, it gives a clear cut teaching on the church’s view on abortion, which is such a hot topic today.

[@nathanschreffler1415]

I downvoted because I wanted an hour but only got 10 minutes. 10 minute bible hour doesn't name sense.

[@whichypoohs]

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