What Caused This Plane To Break Up Mid-Flight!? | SilkAir Flight 185

This Air Crash Investigation of SilkAir Flight 185 looks into the mystery surrounding this crash. A Boeing 737-300 on a typical route suddenly dives and breaks apart mid flight! Using the final report and other certified sources this video will delve into this unusual incident and will highlight the evidence which will shed light on the cause of this crash.
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[@CuriousPilot90]

I hope you found this video interesting. As I have been away for a while, I would appreciate it if you could spend a moment to comment, like or share the video (Or all of them! ) This should allow the video to been shown to a wider audience :)

[@josh2961]

Done 👍🏼 Welcome back, this was a really interesting video. Thanks.

[@larsd.eriksson49]

11qq111¹¹1¹🎉😅¹😊

[@Daveyk021]

Why the hell is there a breaker in the cockpit that can allow the pilot to shut off the CVR and Date Recorder? Sure sounds like murder/suicide to me.

[@sharoncassell5273]

Speculation can lead people to believe the suspicion.

[@cornerliusjosmardhihardhyo3598]

My memories walk back to the time I must on the board silk air 185 , while we went to boarding , ny bowel got problem then they change my plan to other silk air

[@AJeziorski1967]

I researched this crash when I was covering the aerospace industry many years back. There was a lot of resistance in Singapore and Indonesia to the theory that the crash was deliberate, but honestly nothing else seems to fit. As I recall, US investigators were literally unable to reproduce the aircraft’s extreme descent profile as tracked by radar in a simulator without deliberate, forceful and sustained use of the controls. This was not an out of control aircraft falling out of the sky, nor was it a crew struggling to keep a crippled aircraft in the air, nor was it a somehow disoriented crew accidentally flying under control into terrain. There really seemed to be only one other possibility. At the time, crashes caused by deliberate pilot action were (almost) unheard of, so the idea that a pilot might do this seemed unthinkable. But then came Egypt Air, then most recently Germanwings, which was the first time such an act was unquestionably, 100% proven. So, the idea that the SilkAir crash was deliberate doesn’t seem so unthinkable any more.

[@CuriousPilot90]

Such a good point, 'At the time, crashes caused by deliberate pilot action were (almost) unheard of, so the idea that a pilot might do this seemed unthinkable'.

[@moiraatkinson]

I think it was the Smithsonian channel whose reproduction of the Silk Air accident I watched and they came to the exact conclusion you mentioned. As there had been some previous rudder problems with this aircraft type, the Indonesian government latched on to that and refused to accept the NTSB’s probable cause. However this was the only explanation that fitted the facts and most people are convinced their conclusions are correct.

[@Kayvoyager]

For sure was a deliberately action. Difficult to accept but the painful truth 😞

[@TedApelt]

@@moiraatkinson Not just the Smithsonian channel. Other shows too.

[@dthomas9230]

@@CuriousPilot90 If a pilot wants to take himself out, he needn't take innocent passengers and crew. Of course, AR-15 massacres are now ruled suicide. I worked for a major US carrier as a cabin crew for 25 years and beat death on the job 6 times, 3 of which were at the company's behest, as is legal according to SCOTUS. Twice it was to save money and the 3rd was out of spite as a merger and acquisition was in play and reducing payroll assured the job security for those firing the most. They maimed me for life, and told them how to prevent TBIs, Cervical Spondylosis Trauma, Pneumothoraxes, collapsed lung from torn fascia lung lining due to my recurrent training at LHRTK the day before. Men over 35 should wait 36 hrs before flying after hitting a bucket of balls according to flight surgeons,. I was 42 and UAL had tried to kill me in RIO so I expected it. All 3 can cause death at 37,000ft (8000ft cabin pressure), but United Airlines is fine with killing crew and passengers as they're insured. Terminated 4 weeks before retirement with a permanent disability and no insurance at age 55 which is a death sentence in USA, but I live in Sweden and my Karolinska Institute rehab has proven efficacy. UAL prefers faith healing and said my MRIs, were fake as was Karolinska's orthopedic rehab. 90% of men aged 65 have bone spurs, but my flight attendant union was conjured by women for women. Chicago's attorneys love carriers that maim passengers for life or kill them as it keeps the client pool full. I called the FBI to warn of UAL's policies of abuse possibly leading to an AR-15 suicide at Elk Grove Village. Americans may not know that are allowed to be killed and might take it personally. Whistleblower protection is a farce in America, as ABA will disbar any attorney that reduces their potential client pool, at least in Chicago. I've been trying for 14 years to keep UAL from killing and maiming pax and crew, but because I refused their faith healing offer to keep my job, they think I have dementia...you know MRIs are the devil's brew in Chicago. I wrote to UAL's BOD, OSHA, NTSB, UALMD, UALTK, EXOSW, DENTK , LHRTK and visited my hospital that pumped my lungs in LHR to ask them to warn crew. Keeping American companies from killing employees is a Sisyphus task, but it keeps me going. Sisyphus defeated death too. All Americans are on somebody's spreadsheet as a capital asset and are allowed to be liquidated.(see USA's 4% of global population and 20% of Covid deaths, with vaccines after CDC told media 80% of Covid deaths are 65 and over, or on FICA aka pensioners or entitlement moochers to those that told their over 65 audiences, Covid was a hoax, and vaccines kill). Flying is the finest job I had, but for the worst clusterfrackin' company I ever knew. Hinge migration is preventable, as is pneumothorax, but killing crew to reduce payroll is more important.

[@SMaamri78]

What really makes me believe it was pilot suicide is the voice and data recorders being switched off.

[@CuriousPilot90]

It may have been that there was an electrical fault that caused this? But with all the other indicators this appears less likely.

[@ImperrfectStranger]

@@CuriousPilot90 It sounds like you made up your mind already with shots of the cockpit door locking mechanism and the specific circuit breaker panel on which the CVR and FDR circuit breakers are located on the 737. 😋

[@CuriousPilot90]

@@ImperrfectStranger I always try to keep an open mind about these things, especially with an incident like this where all the facts are not known. I may have done that a little out of sequence but I was attempting to show the copilots route out of the flight deck with his meal😬! With the circuit breakers, that was just unfortunate! The Captains CB panel just seemed right for the issue that was mentioned. It honestly wasn't supposed to be subliminal messaging placed throughout the video. 🙂

[@ImperrfectStranger]

@@CuriousPilot90 Thanks for the feedback 👍

[@gentrest6421]

CVR was actually from other aircraft, not an original one come from factory, and has a long story of self-malfunctions.

[@Ryanboy2020]

It is common knowledge among those of us who fly the 737 that Silk Air was pilot suicide. There is only one way you can achieve that level of pitch down in the 737 and that's from holding the control yoke firmly with a significant amount of force forward. The airplane instinctually wants to fly and if you let go of the yoke it will level off. Not even with the worst elevator trim issues could you achieve that downward trajectory.

[@GuyNamedSean]

The moment I saw the numbers for the descent rate I had to calculate it. Nearly 1200 Knots. I'm not sure if there is any airplane that can dive like that uncommanded.

[@abrahameivins6491]

​@@GuyNamedSeanCalculating the vertical speed using the 8 seconds of decent from FL350-FL195 you get over 100,000 fpm which is an insane decent rate that can only be done through force

[@icanfindausernam]

This incident is talked about here in Singapore

[@hannahp1108]

Yeah, I think Boeing tested it and the only possible way to achieve that descent profile was pilot intervention

[@Ryanboy2020]

@trevorsmith7753 Ignorant.

[@kenpuzio645]

No mystery here. Captain urges Co-pilot to leave cockpit.......audio of switches being flipped......same calendar day of the crashes of the Captain's air force buddies that he couldn't participate in...........and, most damning, the exact day the Captain's newest life insurance policy kicked in. Exact day. Case closed.

[@Eric_H68]

Bingo... case closed, period

[@PopsFromATX]

Exactly exactly. Too many coincidences for this to be a random accident. Hundred percent on the captain.

[@colekimball4945]

Yeah, of course you're most likely correct. But there's a good reason why circumstantial evidence alone shouldn't be taken as sufficient proof of guilt. Too many innocent people have spent too many years in prison or even been executed for us to not learn that lesson.

[@kenpuzio645]

Agreed, but in this case, unfortunately for the innocents, no one would go to jail if convicted.

[@colekimball4945]

@@kenpuzio645 Yeah, but that life insurance policy probably wouldn't pay out to the captain's family if it went down officially as mass murder/suicide by his hand. Not to mention the shadow of that hanging over them. You just can't put those consequences on people based on circumstantial evidence alone.

[@_KRose]

The most likely conclusion is that it was intentional. An airplane doesn't just drill itself into the ground like that. The fact there were no issues with the plane, coupled with the circuits being pulled, is pretty damning evidence to that.

[@ImperrfectStranger]

All aircraft have no issues until they do. No one noticed the cracks in the fuselage in that Hawaiian aircaft until the roof blew off. The 737Max incidents showed that at least one aircraft type was capable of drilling itself into the ground unintentionally. The videographer led you to believe that the circuit breakers were pulled by showing you pictures of the circuit breaker panel, but was it proved that the clicking sounds were related to the cockpit door being locked and circuit breakers being pulled? My first thought was a rear bulkhead or rear fuselage failure causing wiring to the recorders to be damaged. Recorders are usually positioned in the tail area. The tail coming off could also be evidence of this. However, with all the other evidence..... as you say, pretty damning.

[@kuro9410_ilust]

@@ImperrfectStranger germanwings proved that someone could do such thing

[@ashtonbailey3970]

Absolutely no doubt… this was suicide & murder of 103 people….I am a pilot too & no way could this have happened any other way. I agree with the NTSB report 100%

[@vertigo2894]

This is why people are scared of your kind of thinking. For you there are no coincidences. You are the type to convict people of murder based on circumstantial evidence. How did he pop the whole back section off?

[@ashtonbailey3970]

@@vertigo2894 definitely you are not a pilot so you don’t know. You probably haven’t even been inside a cockpit. It’s soo easy to pop them off… and it takes just a seconds to do it… But, then, no point in debating with you, you are just a conceited person who thinks he / she knows better with ZERO aviation knowledge. I have been a pilot since Aug 1988…, do you know more then me? And where is your research / statistics to prove people are scared of people like me? Seems you are all in the air with no facts… This was no coincidence. CB don’t just pop in a row… They have independent circuits and each engine is operated by at-least two independent feeds of circuits!

[@vertigo2894]

@@ashtonbailey3970 Oh yes, the moronic condescension, as expected. The fact remains, you have no evidence only conjecture.

[@МихайлоСєльський]

Actually one doesn't need to be a pilot or NTSB expert to calculate that such extremely fast "descend" is only possible by intentional dive.

[@ashtonbailey3970]

@@МихайлоСєльський definitely

[@gaiaiulia]

Those metallic clicks sound like the Captain switching off the recorders and the First Officer being locked out of the cockpit. I think the fact that there seemed to be no attempt to throttle back before the crash indicates deliberation. It's tragic that the families of the passengers and crew, and the wider flying community will never be certain about what happened. Btw , I have no experience of aviation except as a passenger.

[@OwlRTA]

The metallic clicks were just the captain taking off his seat belt. A deliberate pull of the circuit breaker makes no noise, which is what led the investigators to explore the murder-suicide hypothesis, as a CVR circuit breaker that is tripped will have its pop heard in the last moments of the CVR recording. The FO even made ATC contact in the minutes between the CVR being off and the FDR being off. Those minutes must've been the captain preparing himself in the bathroom or something, plus giving plausibility to a request to the FO to "check something out".

[@gaiaiulia]

@@OwlRTA thank you for explaining that so thoroughly. I see now what happened. How, sad for the loved ones of passengers and crew never to be sure of what happened.

[@leetakamiya]

Totally unrelated to anything but it’s very impressive that the first officer was only 23 but already had 2300 hours on type.

[@hannahp1108]

I've seen a documentary about this episode and it sounds like he had a really promising future and was a surprisingly proficient pilot for his age. Heartbreaking

[@lavatoz]

I saw in a documentary that said he was a very enthusiastic about his job. Piloting was his dream job. It's all he ever wanted. His father was also interviewed. Sad loss 💔

[@BBrambles]

Yay! So glad to see you back with another video. Very sad but interesting event.

[@CuriousPilot90]

Thank you, I’m glad you found it interesting. I did too!

[@ZaydinTTV]

Oh jeeze, SilkAir Flight 185. My father was going to be on that flight but he ended up getting on a different flight. My mother says it was a coin toss for him whether to get on that flight or a later flight and it saved his life; we lived in Singapore at the time. Him not getting on that plane led to the birth of my youngest sister in September of 1998.

[@LatinW321]

🧢

[@3316xtendedmedia]

Happy to see you back!

[@CuriousPilot90]

Thank you, glad to be back 😁

[@christophermcnally8782]

The NTSB determined that the flight profile was impossible to do without manual input. The crash ws caused by the pilot.

[@print-master]

how can pilot cause rear section to break off?

[@christophermcnally8782]

@@print-master speed because the plane was at supersonic speed when it hit the ground

[@StephenLuke]

RIP To the passengers and crew of SilkAir Flight 185 RIH Tsu Way Ming (1956-1997)

[@Platuneestudios]

Oh god damn (thank you)

[@unholydanger]

What is RIH

[@arielspalter7425]

Very interesting and well made video. Thank you!

[@CuriousPilot90]

Thank you

[@MrCrystalcranium]

Passenger and crew mass murder by a disturbed suicidal pilot. Too many coincidences all adding up to the outcome. Disgusting act. If he felt overwhelming survivors guilt regarding the loss of his squadron mates, why did he murder so many innocents? Horrible act. Hope he's burning in perpetual agony in hell.

[@grahamgreene779]

Really? Perpetual agony in hell? Like for eternity? I don't honestly know if there is a heaven or hell but the idea of eternal torment just seems . . . unjust. Like if the captain had been the only one to miraculously survive, what would be his punishment on earth? Lifetime in prison (which would end). Or a death sentence - which would be his literal human end. If humans had the power to eternally torment someone for a crime, would we even do it? Do we just like lack the sense of righteous justice, or we are too sentimental? Genuinely wondering.

[@leob4403]

​@@grahamgreene779of course people would do it if given the possibility, that part in the bible is essentially a fantasy, they wish they could condemn people to eternal damnation

[@josh2961]

Such an interesting incident, there are many indications that the Captain may have been involved but even still it would be difficult to say. The mission he was supposed to fly in 1975 on the same date is a strange connection. Maybe he felt guilty that he wasn’t with his wingman or that he might have been about to prevent the incident. That could have added to it! Crazy. Excellent video! Great to have you back.

[@CuriousPilot90]

Thank you, I found it interesting to research and make this one. One of the indications in isolation would be fine but there appeared to be several.

[@GUITARTIME2024]

It's not difficult to ascertain. It was the captain.

[@OwlRTA]

I totally believe that this was an instance of the captain committing murder-suicide. Watching the Mayday episode, even the Indonesian investigators were convinced of this conclusion, but the higher ups intervened and claimed that no conclusion could be made because the black boxes did not record the crash sequence. That is absolutely ludicrous, and unnecessarily calls into question every accident investigation that managed to reach a conclusion without black box data. The CVR's circuit breaker must've popped manually, otherwise its pop would been recorded in the last moments of the CVR recording. The captain couldn't pop the FDR's circuit breaker at that time, otherwise the Master Caution alarm would've sounded. It's why it only stopped recording moments before the crash sequence, as he had to be alone in the cockpit to do so. The higher ups in the NTSC covering up their investigators' true findings directly lead to Germanwings being possible.

[@kenmay1572]

Looks like a murder-suicide to me but I am no expert

[@crypton7572]

Sad how a lot of disasters could've been prevented According to the mayday episode of the lam mozabique suicide in 2013, that accident alone could've prevented future incidents however the crash was not reported properly b media making it relatively unknown across people, lubitz was apparently 'inspired' from that incident but I cant verify this last statement though

[@hannahp1108]

Yeah I find the Mayday episode pretty convincing, especially the work of the first officer's father

[@unicorn.pudding]

Hooray for new video 🎉

[@AtomicExtremophile]

Captain alone in the cockpit, and the recorders stop working - with potential clicks of circuit breakers? Coincidence? Captain's insistence that the First Officer finished their meal outside the cockpit? Coincidence? Captain has life insurance policies that begin day of the crash? Coincidence? Captain had issues with not being able to cover trading debt? Coincidence? Pilot suicide all the way... it's this kind of denial and leaving operations to the status quo that leads to other similar crashes - such as German Wings.

[@joetreadonme]

I saw a documentary on this incident that included interviews with people from the NTSB and they made it sound as if they were sure the captain did it. They also said he lost a large amount of money day trading the week of the accident. I didn't know that was officially concluded.

[@billsmith5166]

The information concerning the missed flight while in the military was very interesting. I wonder if the pilot selected the date that the life insurance policy was to fo into effect? Thanks for the video.

[@jodysin7]

This is pretty cut and dry, isn't really a mistery. The captain lost millions in the stock market. The cvr breaker being pulled as soon as first officer leaves cockpit. A few flights earlier, the captain did a trial run by pulling cvr when copilot was gone. The investigation found that th only way for the plane to fly like it did was by the controls meaning there was no failure that would make the plane fly in that nature.

[@JustALoyalWorker]

To all the person watching this on a plane. Your the Bravest Person Ever

[@niklaslehmann]

We had a Mass Murder Pilot here in Mozambique on November 29 in 2013 that killed 32 innocent people and himself on fligt LAM flight 470. Long hard divorce, mental health, money, son suicide, forced to pilot by company. BANG! Total denial from all directions... but it was! 😢

[@StephenLuke]

There's also Germanwings Flight 9525 with the same cause which happened two years later.

[@paulmoore394]

Earlier than that, Egyptair flight 990, which was deliberately crashed by the first officer who was about to be fired for sexual harassment.

[@LprogressivesANDliberals]

It’s the safest way to travel but if a failure does happen it’s up their with submarine in worst vehicles to go in

[@josh2961]

That’s the thing, this was 1997, if the captain was the blame, it is similar to the Germanwings flight into the alps. But around those two flights there have been millions and millions of flights all landing safely.

[@burliesanford1863]

It was a interesting video . I believe according to the information given that one of the clicks heard on the cockpit voice recorder was the Captain locking the F O out of the cockpit . The Captain definitely seem to have some issues . I tend to believe that the Captain drove the plane into the deck or river on purpose. I also believe that Boeing and the NTSB were correct about intentionally crashing the plane . Just my opinion.

[@dannysamuel2210]

correction: the captain did not work the Indonesian air force, but Singaporean air force. He was of Singaporean nationality.

[@PuckerFactor10]

It’s all about saving face in the Orient. It’s far easier for them to lie than to lose face!

[@johnnyobrien3253]

It's so sad that there was no final outcome for everyone including the pilots families,,,God rest all their souls 💔

[@DBEdwards]

Splendid show

[@adiakiyes6354]

Another story of murder-suicides by pilot. Imagine all passengers are having their lunch then suddenly the pilot put the plane on nose dive its horrific and terrifying.

[@Heathcoatman]

The NTSB, which had jurisdiction based on Boeing's manufacture of the aircraft in the U.S., investigated the crash under lead investigator Greg Feith. Its investigation concluded that the crash was the result of deliberate flight-control inputs "most likely by the captain". While the Indonesian NTSC investigators found "no concrete evidence" to support the pilot suicide allegation, and the previously suspected Parker-Hannifin hydraulic power control unit (PCU) had already been determined by the manufacturer to be defect-free, the final statement from the NTSC was that they were unable to determine a cause of the crash and was thus inconclusive. The Indonesians wanted to believe the Parker-Hannifin-made PCU that controlled the aircraft's rudder could have been defective and thereby led to the crash. The cause of some previous 737 crashes, such as United Airlines Flight 585 and USAir Flight 427, had been attributed to the 737's rudder issues. Although the NTSB and PCU manufacturer Parker-Hannifin had already determined that the PCU was properly working, and thus not the cause of the crash. When Greg Feith tells you what the cause was, believe it. The only reason this is still 'undetermined' is because Indonesia and the NTSC dont want to admit to the pilot suicide conclusion.

[@OwlRTA]

I will like to clarify that the NTSC investigators agreed with the murder-suicide conclusion. However, the higher-ups decided to intervene and basically rewrite the report to not include the probable cause.

[@Heathcoatman]

@@OwlRTA Fair enough. The NTSC did write the report, claimed it was undetermined, and (effectively) signed it. If someone above was forcing them, it doesnt change my statement.

[@keithgreene2007]

Sounds intentional. The pilot disabled the CVR and FDR because his family wouldn't collect the insurance money if his death could be ruled as a suicide. That's the one thing that leads me to believe this was an intentional crash.

[@anon-le9fp]

I saw so many comments that said the incident happend because of suicide, I wonder if people in the future would found this fact was true or not.

[@AMStationEngineer]

For 18 years, I was an industrial engineer who was charged with the support of avionics systems at both the vendor, and sub-vendor levels, at "the Silicon Valley of the East" (yeah, had to put my "ANG" blues on, march with seven other reservists/guardsmen back in '84 to meet Reagan). I know for a fact, that it would not be difficult to D/B/T a secondary AOA, plus Mach Airspeed, plus VSI, plus throttle/autothrottle "attitude-stabilization forward stall+overspeed" "intentional harm override systems", which would require BOTH piloting positions to respond similarly to override, plus access the MCDU to contact ATC/ARTCC, even if transponder telemetry is switched off. Batouti/Lubitz/Ming could have been very easily defeated, hog-tied, subdued, and the entire population of the cabin could then have their turn kicking the 'living crap' out of those bastards. Hell, they could even request a "hold on radial, we gots-to run some numbers, verify a checklist before landing", so that everyone could provide second servings, and have police/EMS/ARFF fetch the "padded ambulance"....

[@OwlRTA]

Ok. What happens if one pilot is incapacitated, and then all of the flight computers give false data to a plane that doesn't know it's false data? The other pilot cannot override your supposed "solution" because it requires two pilots. Plane stalls and crashes, people die.

[@AMStationEngineer]

@@OwlRTA That's in part, why 'dual' systems fbw+cable/hydraulic systems are used by BAC, FBW systems toggle between 'laws and logic' when instrumentation/other avionics have discrepencies, especially with pitot tube problems. I've always been of the opinion that radio-measurement along with GPS systems should be capable of being switched during times of emergency, into some other display/interactive control circuit besides the MCDU. There's just no straight forward way to get that task accomplished. The two front seats MUST always be the final arbiter, but then, the suicidal pilot, how to override question arises...

[@thesilentgeneration]

I, for one, void these controversies by never flying. Of course, a plane could fall out of the sky and land on my head. But, I will take that chance.

[@philiphumphrey1548]

The problem with writing it off as pilot suicide is that there's no unequivocal evidence for it, it's just everything else appears to have been ruled out. But I wonder how many design faults there are on airliners with an extremely low probability of occurrence but severe consequence, like the 737 rudder reversal. Maybe ones with a probability of occurrence even lower than that one. In which case it may never occur in the lifetime of the aircraft type or just once. And an unlucky pilot gets blamed when one of these does occur.

[@CuriousPilot90]

Very true, all of the facts and evidence are not present in this case. It just so happens that the factors we do know line up to suggest something nefarious. It's always difficult to suggest that the pilot was to blame for a deliberate act, when in reality it could have been that he was attempting to recover the aircraft from an issue not known to the investigators. The problem with this incident is that external factors outside of the aircraft also play a role in the suggested outcome.

[@МихайлоСєльський]

Rate of dive is as hard an evidence as one can ever get.

[@larryhayward7736]

Seeing as Boeing 737s fly billions of miles and nothing like the accident has occurred since and that there was turning off of certain recordings and no attempt to correct the dive it is very likely a pilot murder suicide and one that has very likely been copied by the Captain in Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370.

[@donaldrice5281]

Why is there no mention of the tail section in the investigation was it ever inspected

[@sssarzzz]

This plane had the fix for the rutter problem, and the data shows the only way u get that dive is doing it on purpose The caption was repeatedly turning off the flight recorders everytime he was alone and was in complete financial ruin from gambling with the stock market.

[@f2u2DeakWatt]

Isn't this where a Singapore model, Bonny Hick, who just wrote a book " Excuse me, Are you a Model?" perished in the crash along with other passengers.

[@XevLexa]

Yes, she & her fiancé died in the crash along with a close friend of singer JJ Lin. The pilot was also a good friend of Bonny Hick’s ex husband. He wasn’t thrilled to see Bonny & her fiancé seated in the first class.

[@yutakago1736]

In 2004, following an independent investigation of the recovered PCU/dual-servo unit, a Los Angeles jury, which was not allowed to hear or consider the NTSB's conclusions about the accident, ruled that the 737's rudder was the cause of the crash, and ordered Parker Hannifin, the PCU/dual-servo component manufacturer, to pay US$44 million to the plaintiff families.

[@ShadeEmberi]

You can turn off the voice recorder? That seems problematic

[@Luchingador]

idk why can't they give like a code to the pilot and copilot, or a key, so neither of them can lock themselves on the cabin

[@leob4403]

This was in 1997 there has been changes made

[@grantt4691]

Interestingly, Mayday Air Disaster uploaded a video on this accident 3 hours after you.

[@disculpateurdifferentiel4416]

Is it possible that by pushing extremely hard and sudden on the elevator could be the reason why the tail broke?

[@gnarthdarkanen7464]

All the way up to the clicks heard at the end of the voice recording... I was thinking "Could something have hit the tail section?"... I don't know (without evidence of fire somewhere) what it could be, but then the clicks in the recording seem to indicate deliberately shutting things off or pulling the breakers... It's definitely a dubious thing to get an accidental dive so steep, though... if the clicking "off" of switches/circuit breakers could be otherwise explained by electrical faults, I could still suppose an external collision could do it, and even maybe without fire. It would just about have to be something like an ultralight, something small enough to be unregistered, BUT at 35,000 that doesn't sound 100% doable, and a missile type object would be pretty obvious... AND of course, in most recent memory, Germanwings has taught us that while rare, it IS possible for a pilot to lose his interest in living... I guess. ;o)

[@raviarjuna9839]

A meteor could do it.

[@gnarthdarkanen7464]

@@raviarjuna9839 NOT going to say "impossible"... BUT with the heat of re-entry for a meteor, it's improbable for the lack of fire evidence or heat damage... ;o)

[@louieosumo]

Yep 2 sides arent convinced since 1 blames mechanical failure while another knows the pilot deliberately crashed the plane

[@chrishumphrey2074]

Curious, if it wasn’t a defective servo valve inside the PCU then why did the manufacturer of the aircraft's rudder controls and the families later reach an out-of-court settlement?

[@ashtonbailey3970]

Point to be noted

[@barkz2265]

No proof of rudder malfunction the captain asked the FO to leave the cockpit

[@avgeek-and-fashion]

I watched an ACI ep on this and tbh, the reasoning from the NTSC was not completely wacko. IIRC, the lead investigator said something like "we know that it most likely was the Capt who did this but we have no EVIDENCE to prove it, so we cannot express that conclusion". I respect that. I DO NOT respect the Egypt authorities being redonkulous wrt EgyptAir990! Those people were just delusional. There is CVR transcript of the fight in the cockpit fer cryin out loud! NTSB sadly is more experienced with pilots and other airline employees trying to murder-suicide in airplanes. 9-11 is just the pinnacle of black days with murder-suicide from airplanes. RIP everyone except for the hijackers!

[@CuriousPilot90]

That is it, there isn't any conclusive evidence, but the information we do have points in that direction. As much as the internal and external evidence line up, it's still not conclusive enough, with the issue being the lack of information that leads to the conclusion.

[@avgeek-and-fashion]

@@CuriousPilot90 Yes, I think the US did a weird thing when they started arguing with NTSC. Yes, the Capt had some financial troubles, but nothing like imminent bankruptcy. There was an issue of a memorial date personal to the Capt, but otoh he had survived like 25 such memorial days before, no incidents. I tend to agree with the NTSC on this one. I believe the Capt did it, but I also believe it cannot be proven.

[@sssarzzz]

@@avgeek-and-fashion in most plane accidents u can only find out what likely happened. whats more likely, the plane suffered mechanical damage that no ones what it is...or. the pilot flew it straight down in a way that can only be explained or replicated by a deliberate action who everytime hes alone in the cockpit, the recorders get turned manually...and sorry but he was well past bankruptcy from bad stock trades and told the creditors or whomever that he could after flight when he got back, but had no money 2 do that. The guy killed everyone and the airline/country wont admit, cause they would then look bad for letting this suicide murderer on their planes flying.

[@feltongailey8987]

Eeeek! No one would ever want to believe that anyone would be as selfish as to not only intentionally end his/her life, but end the lives of many others, to satisfy their desire to die. Whatever your belief of after life is, but I would not want to be him.

[@timelwell7002]

It seems highly likely that the captain just decided to commit suicide, and to take all the passengers and crew with him. Sadly, this is not the only time this has happened an Egyptian Captain decided to commit suicide and murder, in the same way, on EgyptAir flight 990.

[@Pluggit1953]

And the German Wings nut job.

[@Platuneestudios]

*Germanwings

[@kiradynrhiode2231]

FYI, Changi is pronounced ‘ch-aang-ee’. ‘Ch’ as in ‘church’, ‘ang’ with the ‘a’ as in ‘farm’, and ‘i’ as in ‘wii’. (Not sheng-jee.)

[@xYuki91x]

Suicide while also brining death to others... I remember when the Germanwings suicide happened... I lost all my faith in humanity, I was borderline apathetic for a few days. Horrible... truly horrible...

[@leob4403]

You know there had been plenty of school shootings and such previous to that

[@xYuki91x]

@@leob4403 of course. What's your point?

[@leob4403]

@@xYuki91x those didn't make you lose faith in humanity?

[@Backroad_Junkie]

Interesting the Mayday: Air Disaster video came out a day after this video....

[@lyedavide]

There was absolutely no way to save the aircraft after the loss of its tail.

[@tumslucks9781]

The 737 had an anti gravity crash prevention system but they forgot to switch it on.

[@pauljoneses8188]

Your video is based on findings and conclusion of Graig Faith. You should research further about how Parker Heinefin was involved in this crash with their surval vulves.

[@snp6492]

As other people have said, this definitely points to the pilot committing suicide and taking everyone with him. The limited evidence available points to the captain on mh370 doing something similar, but incapacitating everybody else, before an extended flight to crash the aircraft where it would be difficult to find. What is so cruel of the pilots is taking other people with them. This suggests they were angry and hurt to the point they didn't care about other people. Although it will be intrusive, these incidents indicate regular, ongoing background and psychological tests on aircrew should be carried out, (I assume some such checks are already carried out, but should there be more?) Non aircrew people commit suicide, so why should aircrew be any different. Very sad for the poor innocent victims.

[@evanleo7633]

Ironically the captain’s name tsu way ming in Chinese is 朱卫民 means guardian of the people

[@MarvellousT-ou4il]

Why can't we see the pilots

[@Titot182]

The asian monetary crisis in 1997 fucked up most of the ASEAN economy where the SGD, Ringgit and Rupiah all dropped. If your funds are going down, you might as well take your plane with you. Financial pressures and lack of mental health screening meant that plenty of similar incidents would have been avoided. NTSC should have been more conclusive with their evaluation and ruled it as conscious pilot action. 1997 was also a pretty shit year to be flying over Sumatra with Garuda 185 only occurring months earlier, which was a bit of a whoopsie on the flight crew's part. Slash and burn techniques in the rain forest and an Il Nino year didn't help the situation.

[@larryweiss7170]

I thought that there is a rule that 2 pilots must be in the cockpit at all times.

[@meldahspeight8525]

It's pronounced as Changie not Changjee

[@Gokool_wid_Life_coz_YoLO]

As the case is perhaps closed after unfortunately green lighting the captain, my doubt is that if he did receive the insurance amount? If yes then evil has its way. Sad life of those innocent passengers, their loved ones and crew.

[@nightangel8087]

FO was so much younger thab the captain.. he would be inclined to listen to the captain

[@westnblu]

It was intentional duh. But in some cultures suicide is frowned upon and brings shame so pretty much not acknowledged.

[@themanman165]

My god could u imagine those poor ppl

[@OhioOwns]

lol so he took himself out so he could collect his insurance payments? that's a bold strategy, Cotton...

[@vidhyandikaperkasa1180]

The captain is not with Indonesian airforce.he is Singaporean nationality. And former Singaporean airforce pilot. Minuet 16.48

[@princesssolace4337]

... but this SilkAir is a new upgrade. Its the pilot commiting suicide. His family will be richer if he dies in a crash.

[@johnfisher7143]

He could have achieved the same result, on the day of his choosing, by renting a small aircraft and using it to the same end. Why he’d take 103 people with him is just illogical and cruel.

[@anagabrielaghiggia2010]

Didn't the American lawyer determine it was an issue wuth Servo vlave getting jammed and deflecting the rudder, as shown by the Electronic microscope?

[@jodyhill303]

It was definitely Captain cowardly suicide, same as Malaysia 370 Captain suicide.

[@peterking2886]

They know it was a murder suicide but covered it up to protect the airline .

[@truthseeker474]

Pilots & Co - pilots must have access to cockpit using a secret code -- this will have save the plane & lives. Surely plane manufacturers can do this simple design in a mult million pound plane !!!

[@smithy280663]

Love your vids, but please, Singapore's Changi airport is famous enough for all to pronounce it correctly.........

[@Monothefox]

Silk Air: Germanwings, Asia drift

[@imaadshahrukh4829]

Also Egyptair 990. Germanwings of the Atlantic.

[@Aviationcollects]

Rip the 9 month old 737-300 9V-TRF didn’t last a year.

[@jimydoolittle3129]

Uncomanded ruder deflection again 😖✈️ 737

[@federicoprice2687]

Suicide, and murder.

[@terryvarta9306]

I did read about this accident and i never believed it was suicide. In the 90s the 737-300 had 2 similar accidents with USair Flight 427 and United 585. The 3 accidents were similar in how the plane reacted and went down. In the other 2 planes there was issues with the PCU, with the dual servo valve based on input from the pilot's rudder pedals or the aircraft's yaw damper system, directs the flow of hydraulic fluid in order to move the rudder. In this accident when they actually tested the valve in a applying different temperatures, it showed even without being commanded it could just stop, and not only that, it could cause a rudder reversal, so wen the pilot is inputting the rudder it would do the opposite , worsening the situation. Funny Boeing agreed to pay out of court settlement. The NTSB and Boeing have had a habit of blaming pilots, and we know that with the 737 MAX they were quick to blame pilot error.

[@scyoutube412]

At the high speed the plane was going, a rudder hardcover could be overcome with yolk and differential thrust. only at slower speeds would the rider take over and doom the plane.

[@OwlRTA]

Eastwind proved that a hardover is recoverable with the right amount of speed. This plane had so much speed that it broke apart. The PCU fixes were already done to this plane anyways.

[@Splicer]

👍🏼

[@Awest101784]

I just never understood what was the point of disabling both black boxes. We know it was a suicide...everyone was going to die....so it isn't as if he was going to survive and be prosecuted and sent to prison...it was an unnecessary added step.

[@darthdooku6246]

Maybe not if there’s an insurance policy Like yes, you can’t be tried but at the same time, the insurance company might not pay due to the reason

[@24934637]

I have no previous knowledge of this crash. 6 mins into the vid, I'm getting the feeling that it was intended to be a deliberate CFIT until the point where the tail came off, probably due to excessive speed. Probably a suicidal pilot......Will see if my views change as I continue watching and more evidence emerges.....

[@24934637]

Nope: I stick with my original conclusions.

[@halfnelsonchoke]

ive watched every 'forensic file' type show there is and these "insurance policy" suicide/murders are everywhere. This is a no-brainer. Also, ive watched every airplane crash video there is and when you nose-down overspeed, the tail often breaks off or disintegrates. This was as obvious a pilot suicide as the MH370 crash. The families deserve better than a total cop-out by the officials (just like MH370)

[@androidbox3571]

The piolet had major financial problems involving the stock market and a brokerage account, these had to be resolved on his return to Singapore.

[@RussSharpe]

I’m convinced the captain crashed the plane. The flight profile of this flight could only be reproduced by direct pilot input.

[@wallywally8282]

Obvious the cause BUT to save face it was inconclusive!

[@brendanmahoney9101]

We know what happened. it's common knowledge also that governments in this part of the world don't like calling a spade a spade when it comes to national pride and loss of face!

[@angelstevens2782]

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

[@michaelmichaels138]

Most plane crashes occur when the alleged aircraft comes in direct contact with the earth.

[@clivebrowne5155]

Most ? Could you tell us about the few that didn't contact the earth please 😢

[@michaelmichaels138]

@@clivebrowne5155 - flight 19

[@johnnycharisma162]

They hit water

[@dex1lsp]

If you're gonna off yourself (first of all, don't), PLEASE at least don't take other people with you. WTF

[@larryblanks6765]

It was suicide.

[@Watchingyou-daily]

The clicking could’ve been the first officer locking back into the seat, and the reason for them both going off-line almost simultaneously, is where they are located on the aircraft, and based on the compressor decompression of the F section near the 1016 bulkhead would explain why

[@eldiablo292]

That was the captain day to die one way or the other sorry to say but his number was up when you have to go go

[@davidca96]

bank angle, bank angle

[@kennethhacker3014]

Suicidal!!! This is the second one i know of wish these companies would pay attention to mental illness.i have a neighbor that suffers from this disease and most people can tell they are sick by a few encounters uggggggg

[@richardshiggins704]

Very interesting . The fact that the tail section had separated from the main section might indicate some form of metal fatigue or bulk head failure . A mystery it shall remain . Obviously deliberate flight into terrain cannot be ruled out .

[@niklaslehmann]

Engines were at full speed on impact indicating a super speed that would make any aircraft breaking up in the air before krashing. No need of any structural problems to make that happen.

[@jeremywright7832]

Damn

[@tjbouwer]

Defenetly uman error

[@AveChristusRexRegum1]

For those who don’t want to watch the entire video: SilkAir Flight 185, a scheduled passenger flight from Jakarta, Indonesia, to Singapore, crashed on December 19, 1997. The exact cause of the crash was a subject of investigation, but the circumstances pointed to deliberate actions by the pilot. The official investigation, led by the National Transportation Safety Committee (NTSC) of Indonesia and assisted by the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), concluded that the probable cause of the crash was intentional pilot action. The captain of the flight, Tsu Way Ming, was found to have intentionally disconnected the flight data recorder (FDR) and the cockpit voice recorder (CVR), and then deliberately put the aircraft into a rapid descent. This led to the aircraft crashing into the Musi River in Sumatra, Indonesia, killing all 104 people on board. The motivations for the captain's actions were not definitively determined, as he died in the crash, and no suicide note or conclusive evidence was found. The incident highlights the complex and tragic issue of pilot suicide and deliberate actions in aviation, and it led to improvements in cockpit security measures and pilot mental health assessments within the aviation industry.