What China Thinks About the US HIMARS - Are They Worried?

We discuss Chinese views on the American M142 HIMARS (High Mobility Artillery Rocket System), including China's assessment of its performance and how they plan to counter HIMARS.
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Keywords: PLA, PLAAF, High Mobility Artillery Rocket System, M142, GMLRS, Precision Strike Missile, PrSM, Chinese military

[@phils4634]

No doubt there has been a lot of information exchange between Russia and China concerning both the strengths and exploitable weaknesses of the HIMARS family. This will certainly affect the utility of such a system in a direct confrontation with China.

[@oot007]

This is outdated. HIMARS was effective in the first few months in youcrane. It has since been made largely ineffective by Russian EW.

[@Curtis69213]

Yea, because updates don’t exist

[@phils4634]

@@Curtis69213 Hardware updates take considerable time (years in many cases) to develop. Software updates do not address hardware limitations and vulnerabilities.

[@polysporin8332]

Lol updates have nothing to do with EW. Those are hardwares and RF radio frequency effects. Once you expose your system to the enemy it becomes less useful. Russia has already has many months of studying to jam himars operational frequencies. They already 50% successful. These will be passed on to China and others. The longer your new system is in use it becomes less effective.

[@garrettfulks2932]

@@phils4634Mostly the biggest lesson from Ukraine China should take regarding the Himars is the electronic warfare done by Russia against the Himars which on limited occasions has jammed the atacms fired from it.

[@user-yc7nv2qx2n]

The Chinese military does not care about the Hamas rocket launcher system. Because China's rocket launcher system is more powerful. The launch distance is longer and the power is greater. The Chinese military possesses the world's most powerful drones and anti drone systems. The Ukrainian war highlights the importance of drones, which is precisely what China excels in.

[@cyberba2263]

U f U cking dick head the video is about Himars not Hamas. F king shit hole

[@eessaumer3225]

Himars* not hamas lol

[@Zerpentsa6598]

​@@eessaumer3225 Yeah. Thanks to Google's autcomplete!

[@keyboardt8276]

​@@eessaumer3225this system was developed by Hamas for the US

[@xTheUnderscorex]

They still care a lot about HIMARS capabilities. Even if their own rocket artillery really is better on most or even all metrics and they have nothing to learn from its tech, they would still be receiving incoming attacks from many HIMARS units in the case of a war. Knowing what as precisely as possible what they can and can't do would make it easier to destroy them and reduce the damage they're able to inflict.

[@bg24955]

Chinese PCH-191 multiple rocket launcher system is bigger and better.

[@johnsmith1953x]

China needs to prove it. HIMARS proves it worth in Ukraine. Maybe if China provided Russia with export versions of PCH-191 to Russia we'll see how good they are?

[@kanlu5199]

@@johnsmith1953x PH tried HIMARS and got 5 missed out of 5. You can guess what took placed.

[@johnsmith1953x]

@@kanlu5199 Possible. I keep saying this, HIMARS is 1980s-1990s old tech. Its the USA cleaning out their attic.

[@miraphycs7377]

@@kanlu5199 no shit of course they gonna miss. Currently GMLRS are not meant against sea-bourne targets but the PrSM are.

[@xinyiquan666]

@@johnsmith1953x no, chinese WS1B are equivalent to HIMARS, it has been proven in turkey and sudan, they used it on battle , the PCH-191 is 2 generation above HIMARS

[@vogue43]

Dude, it's just a missile launcher, not a wunder-waffe. The real questions is, how big of a stockpile of rockets does Taiwan got and can it be replenished in a conflict. If they're out of ammo after the first week this weapon will be mostly irrelevant.

[@oot007]

It's already been neutered in youcrane by Russian ew

[@user-gu8qi4me8x]

I actually genuinely agree with you.

[@rave.201]

second that ​@@user-gu8qi4me8x

[@reptileloverreptile-vt6fd]

That is a good point in war they would mostly likely get no new ones or ammo unlike Ukraine but they would conserve it and they are hard to hit

[@urcompnioncube0213]

@@reptileloverreptile-vt6fd Tawain and China is so connected on a micro and macro level that i wont be surprised that the Taiwanese Army is compromised with "Manchurian generals" or their own "Benedict Arnolds" willing to hand the keys over to Beijing when war breaks out. A good perspective is using the South and North Korean experience. They are less connected compared to China/Taiwan and they are still inundated with spies and infiltrators. It would be foolish to think Taiwan and China, given their borders are 1/100th as restrictive as North and South Korea, will have less spies and infiltrators. War breaks out .. Taiwan is done before firing a shot.

[@air1688]

China has their own version already

[@TellenJones]

... and better.

[@deidresable]

Yep more quantity in vehicle and logistic

[@mememanbehindtheshadows546]

Yeah and they were Russian Soviet and American copycats.

[@yewsingooi9573]

Time to come out from the cave, poor boy. 😂 ​@@mememanbehindtheshadows546

[@mememanbehindtheshadows546]

@@yewsingooi9573 i live in a province lol, you have to touch some grass discord boy. or maybe take a bath.

[@catonpillow]

Hey there ENI! Can you share your thoughts on the PrSM 1 & 2 missiles? Would they be effective against the Сhinese navy? Thank you in advance and all the best!

[@EurasiaNaval]

The PrSM 1 and 2 are launched by the HIMARS as well, as you probably know. The general countermeasures discussed in this video would apply to the defence of naval ships against HIMARS as well. However, there is the added complication for the HIMARS of how to coordinate the strikes so that a large number of missiles will arrive at the same time against the Chinese naval ships. While naval ships are high value targets, they are usually well defended by either their own systems or other ships. Generally, if we are talking about a generic long-range missile like the PrSM 2, you need a fairly large number to overwhelm ship-borne defences. If HIMARS are dispersed around Taiwan, it may be hard to coordinate their arrivals against a Chinese fleet. If HIMARS launchers are concentrated, they could be potentially more vulnerable to detection and active attacks. These are my thoughts on the matter.

[@catonpillow]

@@EurasiaNaval I see. Thank you for the explanation!

[@gups4963]

@@EurasiaNaval That is part of the point in newer Harpoons Taiwan got and Taiwan's domesticly made missiles. The variety of missiles will assist in saturation and do so in smaller numbers

[@benniotto]

As far as I see it, the biggest issue that China would have with a hypothetical war in Taiwan is the ground struggle, rather than standoff engagements with precision weaponry. Taiwan has a nasty mixture of incredibly rough terrain, built up areas, and incredibly dense foliage which severely limit the effectiveness of reconnaissance platforms.

[@oot007]

Do you have any info on China 6th gen aircraft? I've seen a photo of one on the tarmac in yellow primer.

[@AbHarians]

Heard that H20 will be showcased in this year national day military parade

[@user-gj8nd8br6p]

没听说过啊，轰20倒是说快要出来了

[@oot007]

@@AbHarians Thanks but I meant their 6th gen fighter equivalent to NGAD. It was tail less design and larger than the J20

[@xzdrtxyzxvn]

​@@oot007most probably the H20 bomber with blended wings and tailless design.

[@cabasadefogo9533]

Another great analysis. I personally think the elites in China understand fully that America's economy is extremely fragile to say the least. They understand that it is not sustainable. There is zero need to fight a war for Taiwan. China simply needs to militarily continue to develop and build out so that both Taiwan and USA feel properly deterred. When the inevitable occurs with the US, taiwan will have no choice but to join China again.

[@miraphycs7377]

lmao Chinese economy is in the middle of ecnomic meltdown. You been living under a rock?

[@saretgnasoh7351]

@@miraphycs7377 you are the one who living under a rock lol. Typical brainwashed victim of USA's propaganda 🤡🤡

[@oot007]

@@miraphycs7377 Keep coping in your WWE fantasies nahzeebot

[@johnsmith1953x]

The USA Deficit is at an all time high. The ONLY time this has happened was in the aftermath of World War 2, 1945. How will the US pay for a new World War now?!?

[@XkMeng]

@miraphycs7377 It doesn’t matter, they have been ecnomic meltdown for over 30 years and are completely used to it

[@douginorlando6260]

I expect drones to drop off tracked vehicle “roll-bots” that hide and passively monitor the surrounding terrain. There are many possible variants of the strategy to rely on many ground based unmanned vehicles including unmanned vehicles planting dense networks of concealed sensors, combination of reconnaissance vehicles and weaponized unmanned vehicles and networks controlled by a few concealed operators embedded with the unmanned vehicles/sensor network. Think 5 operators per company of remote vehicles (20 to 1 ratio) creating a region of control in a square km with hundreds of sensors planted in every direction up to well outside the control strong point. Now consider hundreds of such companies each designed to operate independently for a week if necessary.

[@user-gu8qi4me8x]

I actually genuinely agree with you and finally some one who l found in the comment section that actually has a functioning brain for once and this world actually genuinely needs more people actually like you in this world and you actually couldn't have said that actually any better than me lol.

[@danielmartin7838]

We’d love more of these videos with increased depth & complexity regarding comparisons of various systems and or strategic doctrines. I don’t think even the Soviet Union presented America a challenge, back then, equal to the one that China presents America now. I very much enjoy your presentation style and content. No faux emotion or annoying action music

[@kapitankapital6580]

Very good video. One point that wasn't brought up was blockade; HIMARS (along with other American missile systems like PATRIOT) would require replacements, ammunition and potentially even crew to come from the United States. Unlike Ukraine, China will be able to quickly secure control of all sea lanes to Taiwan, effectively blockading military aid from getting in. This means that either these systems will have very limited utility and will only be usable in the opening days or weeks of a conflict, or they must stockpile large quantities of American missiles which would provide static targets for the PLA to hit, neutralising much of the advantage HIMARS has in mobility.

[@tiago58]

HIMARS systems must find a may to defend themselves from Russian drones and rockets.

[@Gunni1972]

Yeah, that is all true, but that would also mean a wholly different scenario. When additionally to the Taiwanese Forces, the US NAVY arrives. Or attacks China from a different angle.

[@kapitankapital6580]

@@Gunni1972 not necessarily. Even if the US is not formally part of the war, the missiles that systems like HIMARS and PATRIOT use are only manufactured in the United States. This means that Taiwan will only be able to rely on whatever missiles they receive before a Chinese blockade begins. We can see in Ukraine right now just how impactful it can be when you cut off support from the US.

[@f1aziz]

The only thing that might give HIMARS a slight edge is mobility. But if your recon assets proliferated in enemies supply lines, hideouts, you have an opportunity to hit them like the Russians have been in Ukraine. There's nothing more special about it except it's ammo is super expensive and produced in low numbers. China and Russia have similar systems but in vast numbers. If you have decent AD you have a good chance of nullifying HIMARS.

[@oot007]

This is outdated. HIMARS was effective in the first few months in youcrane. It has since been made largely ineffective by Russian EW.

[@Zerpentsa6598]

With steerable drones, mobility offers small comfort.

[@oot007]

They are no more mobile than the Russian and Chinese equivalents.

[@miraphycs7377]

@@oot007 smaller 6x6 chassis is more mobile than 8x8 10x10 12x12 that Chinese uses

[@miraphycs7377]

ask the Russian why they have only destroyed one himars in two years and that with using super expensive Iskander-M. Not the W you think it is. Also should ask the Russian air defense troops how GMLRS is doing to them. Hint. You cannot because they are hit and dead

[@eymaslacker]

LOL. Taiwan is an island. The Himars is not amphibious. It requires support missile ammunition supply. The Himars is dead once the war starts. Long duration loitering munitions is the heel for these types especially in areas where your operation area is an island

[@eduwino151]

extend range himars rockets can hit Chinese ports form Taiwan you wumao clown , try invading and watch Taiwanese antiship missiles turn the pla navy into submarines

[@blcheah2672]

It's not just Taiwan. There are a bunch of islands in the region from which the US might try to target China using HIMARS. And all of them have the same problem - lack of real estate. There's simply not much maneuverability.

[@emacstac]

This isn't entirely correct. The Himars have been tested on your standard navy ship and are just as precise from them. So, they can be fired from ships so long as their is ammunition. They have also been put on unmanned surface vessels and operated remotely. As long as their are missiles in their magazines, they will work as advertised

[@eymaslacker]

@@emacstac Naval ships? Please check a) what ships is in Taiwan's navy b) the width of the Taiwan Strait c) the ship killers available to the Chinese d) number of ships in the PLN Once that is done consider the expected lifespan of a Himars on a naval ship rather than on Taiwan's actual land The likely target priority is i) Taiwan airborne planes ii) Taiwan AD iii) Taiwan ships (your ship Himars here) vi) Taiwan non airborne planes v) static Taiwan rocket/artillery sites vi) Taiwan mobile systems including artillery (your land himars here) You are asking for a lower lifespan for ship based Himars and this is not considering that these targets are not done consecutively but concurrently by the Chinese rocket force, navy and airforce

[@emacstac]

Lol .... none of what you wrote had anything to do with what I said. I was correcting you when you said himars isn't naval. That wasn't true, they have fired them from the decks of ships. If you want to get into comparisons we can do that, but it really only boils down to quantity. China will have home field advantage, and won't have to ship in more missiles. Their tech can't match the US right now, so china does make up for it with quantity.

[@SgtCandy]

While I have my doubts about the PLA being able to find and destroy all launchers before they fire, they'll likely have the ability to immediately return fire well before the HIMARS even starts moving out of their launch area.

[@user-ne6xw1sv4u]

Satlellites are the key in the modern warfare.

[@jblanque]

HIMARS is a system with a lot of US propaganda and hadn't have a real impact on Ukraine battles. It toke a couple of weeks to Russia to adapt its SAMs (Buk M2/3, Pantsir S1/2, etc) to effectively down the missiles, and the Russian electronic warfare is second to no one, they jammed the GPS over large areas of Ukrainian territory and leaved the HIMARS unusable. So that the NATO contractors had to attack only civilian targets to use as propaganda. The Lancet Kamikaze drones, Iskander missiles and glide FAB-xxxx bombs destroyed a lot of HIMARS systems, and even precision ammunition such as Krasnopol taken out several of them. China wouldn't have any problem in counter these weapons, because its recon drones are superb and they have a lot of them. With kamikaze drones directed by recon drones, the problem will solve itself very quickly.

[@gti500]

Himars are a bit low-tech for the Chinese.

[@LSmoney215]

Are yu dumb

[@johnsmith1953x]

Perhaps. Remember HIMARS were built in the late 1980s to 1990s so its old USA tech.

[@LSmoney215]

@@johnsmith1953x and? Himars been upgraded thru the years. I guess the the f15 are the same from the 70s and 80s.

[@kanlu5199]

@@LSmoney215 PH tried HIMARS and got 5 missed out of 5. You can guess what took place.

[@LSmoney215]

@@kanlu5199 ? I guess yur the only person that can understand what yu just typed. Plz edit yur post.

[@Ace1000ks19751982]

Drones can be used to find those things, and electronic jamming can render their GPS guidance systems to not work.

[@jwickerszh]

Also the PLA would have supremacy in the straight so could detect rockets aimed at the mainland early and intercept them at sea, while also having secure land based systems to do the same. Both of which are not the case in Ukraine,

[@AntiWar_dude]

Well said

[@user-gu8qi4me8x]

I genuinely actually agree with you

[@TimBrianTufuga]

The Precision Strike Missile is in service in 2024 but are not mass produced until 2025-27. They will not be exporting the Psrm to Ukraine in 2024 not even in 2025.

[@ld871111]

The Chinese equivalent of HIMARS would be PHL-11, equipped at the brigade level. It's updated from PHL-81 with a modular design able to accommodate larger rounds.

[@simonschneider5913]

havent heard about "The Diplomat" for a long time! :) Goldstein looks like he was a soldier at some point...

[@justme6275]

no, china has better rockets - nothing to worry about!

[@user-gu8qi4me8x]

I actually agree with you

[@keffinsg]

Lyle rhymes with Mile

[@tonyyin8524]

Professor Goldstein is also fluent in Russian.

[@JonathanHerz]

HIMARS is just a cheap export version of the m270 launcher which has been around for at least 3 decades

[@user-gu8qi4me8x]

I genuinely agree with you

[@erdiakarsu4945]

Himars is cool and all but chinny got actual stealthy planes and drones, which russy have not atm. I don't think himars can deal more than 1/10th of damage to chinny as it has dealt to russy in war. From the moment air supremacy achieved by chinny, war is basicly over.

[@user-gu8qi4me8x]

I actually agree with you and finally some one who l found in the comment section that actually has a functioning brain for once and this world actually genuinely needs more people actually like you in this world and you actually couldn't have said that actually any better than me lol.

[@bigbigmurphy]

Air alone will take months uf not years to starve out Taiwan. If they want a shorter victory, they have to land troops, that's the hardest part. It's not like the PLAA can just walk right onto the island. That's if NO outside interference. However, being an island also makes resupply from outsiders difficult. Taking Taiwan is definitely harder than Ukraine.

[@zixinxia194]

But the export varient only 290km.

[@chaoskid1211]

Didn't realize you spoke for ghina😂

[@watcher5729]

God forbid high escalations. Chinese have longer range mlrs and ISR means for directing..saturation glide bombs and loiterings means.Alone taiwan no chance

[@johnsmith1953x]

In addition, Chinese troops are ALREADY there in Taiwan. Taiwan government just don't know it yet! LOL!

[@bungalangkawi03]

What happen to himars in Ukraine????

[@08akaneshi]

the hype was over🤣

[@kanlu5199]

Hunted by the droids

[@jona.scholt4362]

Anyone else notice how curated this comments section is?

[@EurasiaNaval]

Don't have time to curate comment section

[@stadtbekanntertunichtgut]

Who the fuck says good day? Is this the English version of Guten Tag (good day in German) ? I kind of like it NGL.

[@yunfenglu6619]

When it comes to rocket artillery, China is the second to none

[@markfung5654]

Thank you

[@user-gu8qi4me8x]

I genuinely actually agree with you

[@shermanpeabody6102]

China PCL-16 / PHL-191 MLRS is equivalent to HIMARS . It's satellite guided like HIMARS and with similar accuracy.🦉

[@tonywei423]

The cost is too high not practical, for the same cost Chian will send 20 times firepower.

[@Nero-Caesar]

A lot of American smart weapons have lost a lot of their use due to Russian electronic warfare

[@miraphycs7377]

you do realize GMLRS have INS too right?

[@neuromancer886]

⁠that's why Russians focus on GPS spoofing rather than jamming.If the JDAM/GMLRS navigation unit cannot find a GPS signal they switch over to inertial navigation mode which is less accurate than GPS but decent enough. In case of GPS spoofing the navigation unit thinks it hitting target coordinates whereas it's actually hitting an empty field. Upside is that these GPS spoofers cannot be deployed everywhere along a wide front.

[@user-gu8qi4me8x]

​@@neuromancer886I actually genuinely agree with you and finally some one who l found in the comment section that actually has a functioning brain for once and this world actually genuinely needs more people actually like you in this world and you actually couldn't have said that actually any better than me lol.

[@johnsmith1953x]

@@neuromancer886 GPS spookers are probaby only around C2 and ammo dumps areas. I think the drone mapping the landscape following by metal at HIMAR locations is really shutting it down.

[@neuromancer886]

@@johnsmith1953x Yeah that's what I meant by not enough spoofers to cover the whole front. Just like A2/AD systems they will be concentrated around high value targets. The only reason for the recent kills seems to me to be that Russians have stepped up their ISR capabilities significantly via unmanned platforms.Add to that the AFU is using Wehrmacht style active defense tactics especially with elite units like 3/47/110 and these HIMARS/S3-00/Patriot systems are getting close to the contact line to provide defensive fire.

[@Chup-os2uf]

HIMARS was almost rendered useless in Ukraine by the latest Russian electronic jamming system.

[@tiago58]

How many HIMARS were left in Ukraine after Russia destroyed a large number of pieces?

[@nunyadambusiness6902]

​@@tiago58Russia hasn't destroyed ANY - they only LIGHTLY damaged two with shrapnel damage... Cope harder... 😂😂😂

[@victornathanielfunte8176]

The one that returned that will never be back in Ukraine? 😂😂 Accept it your Ukraine is losing oppss NATO I mean.

[@nunyadambusiness6902]

@victornathanielfunte8176 yeah, guess that's why Russia is getting their ass HANDED to them, huh? Their navy doesn't even have THE BALLS to show up & become submarines... 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@tiago58]

@@nunyadambusiness6902 This is the crude reality: Ukraine and NATO are losing the war. Period.

[@rave.201]

worried? bro, they had an entire branch for rocket system only. Himars just tuesday for em

[@cam35mm]

Himars are nothing but MLRS and can fitted with some longer missiles...that's all.

[@nostradamus2642]

Most of the Himars are now destroyed. The lack of recon and strike UAV and drones in the first half of the war was the reason why Russia suffered so much losses from the Himars and the M777. The Lancet and Iranian flying lawn mowers was a turning point. China PCL-191 with Beidou is more than a match but crucially China has the industrial capacity to outproduce the US many times over. Russia now lets China fly WZ-7 UAV into the Sea of Japan over Russian territory near the Tumen river for intel sharing. Cos Chinese UAV is infinitely superior to Russian ones and China have strategic UAVs that Russia doesn't have at all. BTW, Ukraine is about 17 times bigger than Taiwan. TW is 35,980 sq km while Ukraine is 603,550 sq km.

[@oot007]

HIMARS was effective in the first few months in youcrane. It has since been made largely ineffective by Russian EW.

[@user-gu8qi4me8x]

I actually genuinely agree with you and finally some one who l found in the comment section that actually has a functioning brain for once and this world actually genuinely needs more people actually like you in this world and you actually couldn't have said that actually any better than me lol ❤😂🎉.

[@johnsmith1953x]

In addition, Taiwan cannot get supplies from a bordering NATO country that Ukraine does now. Ukraine is bordered by Poland, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia and other countries with many rails, highways, air going into Ukraine. Taiwan does not have that. I don't think people realize how fast a Taiwan conflict will end. Possibly days. I think it has not happened because China is worred about Chinese deaths and wants to limit that.

[@jackchiu7560]

HIMARS maximum range of 300 kilometers pales in comparison to China's 600-km multiple rocket launcher with a guidance system assisted by China's own Beidou global positioning with better accuracy than the U.S. GPS.

[@user-gu8qi4me8x]

I genuinely actually agree with you and finally some one who l found in the comment section that actually has a functioning brain for once and this world actually genuinely needs more people actually like you in this world and you actually couldn't have said that actually any better than me lol.

[@johnsmith1953x]

@@user-gu8qi4me8x Stop behaving like a bot.

[@papatango2362]

Don’t you just love the fierce arguments in the comments 😂

[@user-gu8qi4me8x]

I actually agree with you❤😂🎉

[@Gunni1972]

@@user-gu8qi4me8xYOU, Actually.

[@drandersjiang]

Not What You Think just released another "masterpiece" on J-20 lol.

[@user-gu8qi4me8x]

I actually agree with you

[@heikofaust965]

🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳❤❤❤

[@johnzach2057]

What China needs is Tamir. The interceptor of the iron dome. GMLRS aren't really that fast. They can easily interceepted with the right missiles

[@user-gu8qi4me8x]

I genuinely actually agree with you

[@johnsmith1953x]

They do.

[@user-gu8qi4me8x]

@@johnsmith1953x l actually agree with you

[@kanlu5199]

China already exports Laser anti-droid systems to SA, and tested them during the war with Yemen. The cost is just 2 USD per shoot.

[@Gunni1972]

What China NEEDS it PRODUCES.

[@RealityCheck6969]

They should start making cheap decoy himars vehicles.

[@lingth]

Himars is a miniature M270.. how is it scary? It's only better cos it's portable via transport plane.

[@user-gu8qi4me8x]

I genuinely agree with you

[@user-hardliu485]

俄罗斯前期糟糕的电子战表现和无人机的低效使用，海马斯的战果实际上是被放大和夸大的，战争后期当俄罗斯改善了战场应对表现，你会发现海马斯就很少被报道，被摧毁的数量也大幅上升。

[@nunyadambusiness6902]

Not a SINGLE himars has been destroyed YET, 🤡... & only TWO have been LIGHTLY damaged... 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂... oh, wait, let me laff at your azz some more... 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@JD-dm1uj]

HIMARS is a glorified MLRS at the end of the day, the name is implied, it’s a rocket, not a missile system, it’s greatly outclassed in comparison to the many DF offerings. To itself, it’s a hell of a system, though contrasted to many DF-HGV systems, it’s irrelevant. Deployment on the island would present a number of challenges, though for anything longer range or a proposed anti-ship role would be limited, IMO.

[@user-gu8qi4me8x]

I actually genuinely agree with you and you actually couldn't have said that actually any better than me lol.

[@johnsmith1953x]

Wrong. HIMAR is a missle.

[@JD-dm1uj]

@@johnsmith1953x it has the same equivalence of MLRS, rockets by default, ATACMs for long range, though for all intents and purposes, it’s marketed and viewed as a MLRS.

[@johnsmith1953x]

@@JD-dm1ujMissiles have guidance, rockets do not. HIMARS has a guidance system, hence its a missile.

[@gordonxu2493]

The problem is where are you going to deploy this weapon? You have nowhere to hide

[@user-gu8qi4me8x]

I actually agree with you

[@AmirShafeek]

I've always thought this sure there are a lot of islands off the Chinese Coast but even then there's only a handful and I don't see America being able to keep air support indefinitely so as long as China keeps some form of ISR capability over a portion of these islands the high Mars capabilities going to be severely negated. You can literally see when these things fire a missile from miles away Queen on the ground so I wouldn't be surprised if a drone could see a missile plane and just call an artillery strike of some form on it.

[@newhailman]

You don't fool anyone. You're all over there sheeting your pants 😂🇺🇸

[@dennisrichards7994]

This system totally overrated , they had a little bit of success at the beginning of Ukraine war but the Russians have been able to shut down most of the HIMARS missiles and their success rate is increasing with the most powerful electronic weapons on the planet and more and more launches are being taken out as well !!!

[@user-gu8qi4me8x]

I actually genuinely agree with you and finally some one who l found in the comment section that actually has a functioning brain for once and this world actually genuinely needs more people actually like you in this world and you actually couldn't have said that actually any better than me lol.

[@JohnLee-]

Make up your mind lol ? You can not be for and againt at the same time , which is it ? LOL​@@user-gu8qi4me8x

[@kelcordeen8630]

When the philippines use the Himars, they cant even hit on target. 😂😂😂😂😂

[@AdmiringOceanSunset-sy7ys]

Well I guess it's the first step into the universe poetically speaking!!! Roa Aotearoa nui.

[@geechan4744]

It will not be an attrition war!

[@HolocaustShmolocaust]

The Chinese take a holistic view of things. They're not likely to be impressed by one or more shiny tools in the American toolbox, they're going to be impressed by the systematic way these tools are combined. On the battlefield of Ukraine himars has made no difference. However, the Chinese are going to be impressed by the Russian way of war. The integrated approach they use to combine the best features of their hardware.

[@oot007]

This is outdated. HIMARS was effective in the first few months in youcrane. It has since been made largely ineffective by Russian EW.

[@RichardsMiscCorner]

I think the west is not understanding that they are giving Russia a masterclass on combined arms and modern warfare tactics and even if they are corrupt as all hell, they are learning. And China is learning as well.

[@user-gu8qi4me8x]

I actually genuinely agree with you and finally some one who l found in the comment section that actually has a functioning brain for once and this world actually genuinely needs more people actually like you in this world and you actually couldn't have said that actually any better than me lol.

[@viviennerobinson9050]

If the Chinese weren't impressed with American weapons how comes they steal and copy their technology so much almost everything they build is either stolen or copy.can you denied that?

[@jona.scholt4362]

@HolocaustShmolocaust Why am I not surprised a Holocaust denier supports Russia and gets a like from a channel run by a fanboy of dictatorial regime in China? What would be really surprising is if this post isn't censored and deleted. Leaving it up would undoubtedly hurt his social credit score.

[@johnkrieg9368]

A game changing weapons that never was..

[@johnsmith1953x]

Not entirely true. HIMARS was VERY effectively in the first year of the Ukraine War. Keep in mind, HIMARS is old US tech from the 1980s.

[@Bub2580]

@@johnsmith1953x yes true it's an old US system, but why are there so much hype and praise for the himars coming from the western medias saying that it is a "game changer", when it is first deployed to Ukraine. The himars are just a big let down of "advance" western weapons and superiority.

[@nunyadambusiness6902]

​@@Bub2580it was called a "game changer" because they were sent over 30+, but ALL the damage done to the Russians was done by ONLY 13 - they only put 13 in the field to fight. That means they did a TON of damage with HALF of how many they have... It ALSO means that if they used ALL of them, they would've done TWICE the damage... You seriously have NO idea wtf you're talking about... 😂🙄😂..

[@Kristoferzhong]

Himas is an expensive old toy, only. Outdated weapon with in 500 km range is totally ignored by PLA.

[@gregparrott]

This is a good presentation. but it has two errors. First, it suggests that the 'PrSM' missile would be needed to strike China's mainland. That is incorrect. While Ukrainian troops have mostly been supplied with the shorter range GMLRS missile (up to ~70 kilometers) for use in HIMARS, they have also received some ATACM missiles. The ATACM missiles come in a couple variants, with the longer range one reaching 300 kilometers. That is enough to reach into and past China's coastline without PrSM. Second, it stated the PrSM missile has a 300 kilometer range. That is also incorrect. The PrSM missile's range supposedly STARTS at 500 kilometers, with longer range ones in design. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM-140_ATACMS en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precision_Strike_Missile

[@user-ky3ig5ww2s]

The U.S. military-industrial complex has raised the prices of U.S. military weapons to unaffordable prices. This is because China's latest weapons are easy to use and cheap, and will not be able to compete in the long run. This is why the U.S. military's weapon updates are getting slower and slower and more expensive. But the reason why its effectiveness is getting weaker and weaker is that the military-industrial complex only wants profits. . .

[@user-gu8qi4me8x]

I actually genuinely agree with you and finally some one who l found in the comment section that actually has a functioning brain for once and this world actually genuinely needs more people actually like you in this world and you actually couldn't have said that actually any better than me lol.

[@theredbar-cross8515]

Excellent video. My only point of contention is over how survivable HIMARS would be in Taiwan relative to Ukraine. Yes, Taiwan is geographically smaller, but this doesn't matter much since the range of HIMARS limits its area of operations in Ukraine. Furthermore, Taiwan is far more densely populated, forested, and road covered than Ukraine. A HIMARS could hide anywhere, even a civilian garage. If they base it inside a city, it would almost impossible to spot. HIMARS, unlike tanks, are difficult to distinguish from a normal truck for aerial spotters. They only give the position away once they fire off their payload, then any IR sensor can pick them up.

[@johnsmith1953x]

China has enough sensors convering Taiwan to count how many dumplings any particular family are cooking in their kitchen that night. HIMARS (and anything else) has zero chance.

[@Gunni1972]

Well, try to fire a himars out of a city, without breaking a lot. If you fire GPS-guided Missiles, you still have to aim vaguely in that direction, and your field of fire might be very obstructed by buildings. Especially if you want to hide from retaliatory strikes behind civilians. That's what i call endangering, not protecting the population.

[@kuanged]

The PLA can also use Hamas' tactics and put their troops in dense population centers in Taiwan.

[@colinlee9678]

Why wouldn't satellite photos and other surveillance tools reveal all the hiding places of the Himars?

[@Whatis2468]

Thought Himars are destroyed by Russia in Ukcrane. Can you trust using Himars?? 😂😂😂😂

[@user-gu8qi4me8x]

I actually agree with you

[@kanlu5199]

PH tried HIMARS and got 5 missed out of 5. You can guess what went wrong.

[@XkMeng]

It would be better for the United States to focus on maintaining its remaining advantages in the air force and navy. The United States has never kept up with China when it comes to missiles and artillery systems

[@tonyp2865]

Weather update for Ukropia - Expect heavy morning showers of Lancets and Gerans increasing to Kinzhals and Iskanders later in the day. UV protection recommended as high levels of TOS-1A activity expected due to a low intelligence level situated in Kiev. The situation is unlikely to improve until the low intelligence level is neutralized.

[@casey7057]

You have not seen nothing else of the Chinese military

[@user-gu8qi4me8x]

I actually agree with you

[@kevinc1200]

There is a naval strike rocket variant in development. When developed and distributed to US allies along the many islands of the first island chain, it would severely restrict the freedom of movement of the Chinese navy. I think Ukraine has show how modern warships are vulnerable to hit and run missile attacks. It would also be impossible for China to establish the kind of air supremacy necessary to track down Himars hiding on theses islands.

[@The136th]

Outdated and outranged by their Chinese equivalent

[@kevinc1200]

@@The136th there is no Chinese equivalent naval strike rocket artillery. Even if there are, it wouldn't matter as these himars are not naval targets and they hide on the first island chain. If you see the video, the proposed counter to Taiwan himars are constant air surveillance, which is not practical over the entire first island chain.

[@The136th]

@@kevinc1200 outranged, out gunned and out teched by pcl191 lol. 1st island chain is a death trap for US assets

[@LuobingSong]

of course china has much better long range rocket ranges more than 120 km, and the amount of launcher vehicle are more than hundreds but HIMARS present a good view on how do long range rockets much cheaper than ballistic missiles actually change the battle field. i mean chinese military probably under estimated weapon they have already got. HIMARS simply shows a some kind of unintercrptable and unpredictable way of strike in Ukraine, however Chinese military found that long range rocket are easily to be intercepted by their own and the warhead of rocket is too small compired with ballistic missiles, according to previous drill china land forces prefer use long range rocket in groups to avoid being intercepted and ensure enough damage to armored enermy vehicles

[@zenki4666]

Getting sick about naval content? 😂

[@EurasiaNaval]

Haha!

[@Wvk5zc]

​@@EurasiaNaval well,there are new spied pics of z-21 and h-20 if you cover that 😊

[@EurasiaNaval]

@@Wvk5zc I'm leaning towards the 'h20' pic being a stealth UCAV atm

[@tonyp2865]

At $200.000 a shot how many will they have.

[@seabedsand]

Why do some people say that Chinese weapons are useless, and some people have the opposite attitude, neither of which is commented on by the Chinese

[@NateWhitehorse]

I never seen Chinese military equipment in battle. Have you?

[@laurencetilley9194]

Typical US propaganda. I have unsubscribed after listening to your BS.

[@tdestroyer1882]

It’s the truth. It’s a shame you can’t handle the fact that the US has a weapon that China or Russia don’t have and won’t have for many years to come.

[@moe_is_justice8559]

​@@tdestroyer1882Since when was guided rockets hard to get for China? I can agree on Russia not having the capability of producing large quantities of guided munitions but you would be a fool to think China doesn't have cheaper and better alternatives to HIMARs.

[@taiwanstillisntacountry]

$34.000.000.000.000 DEBTS 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@elmohead]

China prints out the entire royal navy every 4 years. Just think about that for a sec.

[@AmirShafeek]

You're aware that this KZbinr is very pro China the fact that he's even giving me America's praises only more proof that he's not biased

[@stasstas8872]

they have the same machines polonez formaly it made in Belarus but that is Chinese missiles and basically they can make their own ones, what America don't see to they started all make machines and in huge numbers

[@RickBlaine]

This whole article is about China attacking Taiwan? Not what China thinks about the HIMARS. I do understand that HIMARS will be the same "game changer" they were in Ukraine!

[@texan-american200]

The Chicoms think/hope that only Taiwanese HIMARS will be the only ones fired upon them?

[@YouCountSheep]

Himars is a copy of BM 30 with guidance systems. Nothing new.

[@user-gu8qi4me8x]

I actually agree with you

[@sekaloremmie6157]

The Chinese only have to study the Russian pantstri Air defence system cos it has humbled the Himars.

[@rickace132]

China has an entire military branch dedicated to rockets, it's called People's Liberation Army Rocket Force. There's no doubt China will or has mastered rocketry.

[@kumbackquatsta]

russia's not even worried by the himars

[@hansudowolfrahm4856]

HIMARS were super effective at the start of the invasion when it was just about moving large columns of people in to make camp. For China, these types of guided Missle launchers, however, will be much more important since they can be deployed on islands against ships. It is thus very crucial for China to expand every island they have to a self-sufficient base, speeding down any attempts to move in ships. Of course, vice versa enemy forces will try the same.

[@Teochewtuahang]

Duh. You talk like PLAN ships dont have anti air missile

[@hansudowolfrahm4856]

@Teochewtuahang Of course they do, but these things are much cheaper than a ship, and let's say an Arleigh Burke destroyer fends of 1 or 2 salvos. Then they depleted their ammunition so much that they need to go back. The chances of destroying a ship are low, especially if in a convoy, but even a few of these are enough to cause temporary sea denial. Especially the US will have major difficulties that far away from home, and every missle will cause them to keep distance. It's not the rocket launcher itself, but the combination of these with every asset in proximity.

[@Teochewtuahang]

@@hansudowolfrahm4856 have you even look at the range of missile the PLAN ships use? The ship can be in the dock and can still fire at targets in Taiwan even the farthest east side of Taiwanese island. And I am talking about anti air missiles not sea to surface missiles

[@user-gu8qi4me8x]

​@@Teochewtuahangl actually agree with you and finally some one who l found in the comment section that actually has a functioning brain for once and this world actually genuinely needs more people actually like you in this world and you actually couldn't have said that actually any better than me lol.

[@kanlu5199]

PH tried HIMARS and got 5 missed out of 5. You can guess what went wrong.

[@imperija01]

There are so worry they can’t stop laughing! That museum piece you can call it artifact from the last century it’s a joke!!!

[@AntiWar_dude]

❤❤❤❤

[@marcomongke3116]

Leave the fighting to America, China and Russia. Let us peons of other parts of the world enjoy care-free life

[@isokabooks3758]

Game changer no more.

[@NateWhitehorse]

We now have PrSM. HIMARs is being used by the United States Marine Corps now.

[@user-xq8qx6bg2j]

🙏🙏🙏

[@cherubimcherubim9515]

China have missiles superiority, largest naval force, soon air superiority.

[@ltribley]

Destroying HIMARS in the field. Russia DID NOT USE AIR assets to destroy the HIMARS radar and launch systems because of Ukraine's air defense systems. Instead they used missiles, drones, and artillery for ground components and air defense missiles (like S300, S400), and electronic warfare to down missiles. Sending in aircraft until Taiwan's air defense systems have been neutralized is risky and will sustain higher loses. Russia neutralized Ukraine's air defense with their hypersonic missiles and some with drones. They have destroyed most of Ukraine's air defense and now have air supremacy. Thry have replaced many missile attacks with inexpensive GLIDE BOMBS, 500, 1000, 1500, and soon 3000 KG's, dropped in "stand back" upwards of 60-80 KM away. China should consider following Russia's lead and also use glide bombs.

[@Gunni1972]

WHY? bringing airplanes into taiwanese patriot range is an expensive mistake. Just intercept the missiles with SAM systems, (use short range, the missiles come at you anyway, and short range missiles are cheaper to rearm, or replace). Then shoot back with your own long range rocket artillery. It's not like China has none. In this case, it is basically still a skirmish, and not a full blown Assault. Air supremacy is only necessary, if you want to destroy the whole Military at once. If China takes out long range Missiles, Taiwan orders new ones from USA and USA is happy. And China wants everybody to be a happy family. Right? Small skirmishes are ok, but no big guns. Right? Same agreement Russia has with USA. You just get a "Test population" for weapons training. Ofc, these agreements are NEVER "binding" for USA because "exceptionalism".

[@ycplum7062]

It should be pointed out that having a qualitative and quantitative advantage does not guarantee air superiority, much less air dominance. That has been demonstrated in Ukraine, where Ukraine's sir defence has effectively denied Russia access to Ukrainian air space. I suspect that will be the case over Taiwan. And much like Russia, I do not believe the PLAAF has trained for SEAD. Taiwan can deploy HIMARS on the reverse slope. Granted, China may try to deploy small drones, but the local side typically has the advantage in EW, effectively jamming the communication and control of the small drones. Another is the speed one can establish a kill chain. Essentially, the time it takes to detect and track a target, put together a strike package and launching the attack. Russia has not been doing so well. Taking hours to respond to anything other than artillery support. Because China would need to launch a strike from the mainland or a ship. It is not so easy to strike at a HIMARS. Not saying it can't be done, just that it isn't easy and I have not seen anything showing China even training in tying ISR with counter battery missions.

[@user-hi1rk9zv7s]

The PLA has begun to investigate the integrated training more than ten years ago.In fact, the PLA likes to copy the U.S. military very much.The weapons and combat concepts of China and US are very similar. Don‘t be misled by the information more than a decade ago.

[@ycplum7062]

@@user-hi1rk9zv7s Actuyally, I would say they recognized teh importance of integrated training over 20 years ago. lol However, progressive has been slow and in general in fits and starts. It was a bit bit better 20 years ago, but it seems to me that in the last ten years, more emphasis has been placed on obtaining hardware and less on how to integrate their use. To an extent, that is understandable. You need to learn the individual capabilities before you integrate the capabilities.

[@user-hi1rk9zv7s]

@@ycplum7062You need to pay more attention to the news. The content of the PLA‘s previous exercises in the South China Sea was to launch Dongfeng 27 from a remote mountainous area in the interior of China and hit a high-speed ship in the South China Sea across thousands of kilometers, all through the satellite-warship-drone data chain.

[@ycplum7062]

@@user-hi1rk9zv7s I generally want collaborating reports.

[@12313846]

In Ukraine the Russian army is destorbing the GPS signal..... So it's uneffective...... China has the same thing.

[@qin02]

Here is what the chinese think about the HIMARS..... LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL what a peice of legacy equipment

[@americanknow8232]

Himars is an old slow missile.

[@MS-wz9jm]

HIMARS has had a lot of issues, its been exposed as very susceptible to jamming. SHORAD can intercept it. There really isn't anything to be impressed about. Tornado-S significantly outmatches it in every area (except reloading), Chinese systems significantly outmatch it.

[@johnsmith1953x]

*HIMAR is 1980s technology*

[@computerjoy]

China shouldn't worry because they have better longer distances hypersonic missiles hence why USA dare not to come anywhere near China coastline.

[@NateWhitehorse]

Reversed engineered Soviet hypersonic missiles. 😂😂😂😂

[@wst8340]

Only 6 small missiles? Pass

[@NateWhitehorse]

The United States Army is now using PrSM. 12 missiles with double the range. The United Marine Corps is getting the old Army HIMARs.

[@MGZetta]

You can also shoot down these rockets if you're expecting it. It doesn't evade or try to hide, it's just guided rocked that has predictable trajectory. Yeah, it's probably 10 to 20 times more expensive than the rocket to shoot it down.