What coffee machine to buy $3-6k PART 2

[@DaveStephensEditor]

I just ordered a DE1XL. The company is based in Hong Kong. The CEO is a Yank but the staff is multinational. They also make a video of your unit before they ship it, in case there are handling issues.

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

They manufacture in Hong Kong but they are a Seattle based company and I'm fairly sure they are at least 50% American owned.

[@cryptocontractor7983]

I bought my Decent xl about 8 months ago and I have never had any issues and if there is a bug you can update it or always reboot it and it always fixes. Love my espresso every day I couldn't ask for a better machine.

[@PYYYYYY]

Bought a decent as my first espresso machine, it’s been great. ❤

[@sanjaya718]

Great video!

[@brandonschifferdecker8083]

You sold me on Decent at ‘it can watch my children’ 😂

[@saufialawi7673]

Rocket just launch Bicocca. Sits perfectly between that range.

[@greysuit17]

Part 2! 🎉🎉🎉☕️

[@JuanMartinez-jp3do]

Would you add the ECM synchronika n1 in this group? If yes, which will be the rating? If no, why? Thanks !

[@Rick9482]

Those chrome behemoths with dual boilers and E61 groups are just old tech and should just die or go away, get lost, whatever. I got a couple just taking up space in my closet. Adding PID and a few other bells and whistles still does not make these machines relevant in today's expresso world. Now, it's about computers and temperature control and displays. I'm into my fifth year of owning a Decent Espresso machine and it is the cutting edge of espresso technology. Boilers are out, computers are in, that's the future. The new Ninja Luxe Cafe at $500 can probably run circles around any dual boiler machine on the market when we're comparing quality in the cup. What shocks me is nobody has set out to copy Decent Espresso. I suspect the tech is just too difficult to copy effectively at the current Decent Espresso price point. Ninja Luxe Cafe is on the right track and although they may never equal Decent Espresso, I can visualize Ninja coming out with a $2000 machine that gives the Decent some real competition.

[@fairo2350]

Very helpful video! Any lever machines you would recommend? Previously had a Linea Mini and was just too much machine for me. Thanks!!

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

Yes there's some great lever machines depending on how extreme you want to go. The easiest and most fun for me is the flair 58 electric. It doesn't do milk but I loved the feeling this machine gives you. So smooth! There's the OG La pavoni's which are great or you could go the Profitec Pro 800 however that might be same level as the Mini for you. 🙌

[@fairo2350]

@ Hi, thanks very much for the response and help! Great suggestions. Making a move down to Oz next year from the UK so might be buying some of your stuff soon!

[@ruthwilson7451]

Hi Ryde I watch a lot of your videos And find them very interesting. I was looking for a professional grinder. And I just wondered what you could recommend for home use

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

Thank you! 🙏 Depending on your budget and preference there are a couple of different grinders I love. Entry level: I like Breville Smart grinder pro and Baratza encore. If you want something a bit nicer and more elegant I would look at the Eureka Mignon Silenzio. My current favourite is the Timemore Sculptor 68s or 78s but that does mean you have to weigh in the beans each time. Does that help?

[@topjets5616]

Just started watch your channel, good stuff :) would like to ask you can a HX make as good espresso as a Dual Boiler ? I was looking at Profitec Pro 400 vs Lelit Elizabeth Espresso (both these machine will fit my counter) , I've read online where people have said HX even with PID is not as good as dual boilerat making espresso, I don't know why I have a Breville Barista Pro and use a Eureka Mignon Facile 50mm and I pull some great shots. Looking to upgrade machine down the road maybe end of this year, leaning towards Pro 400 and keep making great video's :)

[@andromedach]

One of my issues with the Micra is in North America it only has a one year warranty and that is just unacceptable for such an expensive machine

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

Yeh that's way too short! Don't you guys have a government standard warranty? In Australia we have consumer protection that says "a reasonable amount of time". So for a TV it's like 7 years but for other appliances it might be 2 years. We hardly ever have to buy extended warranties because no company wants to go against the ACCC (consumer right council).

[@wiloghby]

@@Rydecoffeecoach We do not have that in America. We don't believe in consumer protections :)

[@tictocbang7443]

I applaud anyone who wants to make coffee with the scrutiny of a Profit and Loss statement, but for me life is too short for me to get caffeina nervosa over the minute variance I get with a nice home setup.

[@robertusga]

Sweet! Great video, thanks! You mentioned that maybe the only machine the Decent cannot replicate is a lever. What would someone miss if lever profile is not available, taste wise?

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

There are lever profiles for sure but there's just one thing that separates it from a true lever and that's to do with the speed of how the portafilter fills with water when you open the lever up. Other than that you can pretty much accurately replicate all sorts of levers and other machines. 👌👌

[@steph8408]

Hi Ryde, I've been keen to purchase a Linea Micra for some time now however I thought it was an either or in relation to adjusting the machines parameters/settings manually or alternatively, through the LM app. If adjustments/settings can only be done through their app, well that knocks it on the head for me. I'm not interested in E61 machines so I am now considering the Rancilio Silvia Pro X. I'm not sure if a later version of the Pro X is due soon in Australia whereby they may improve the drip tray but what's your thoughts overall on the pros & cons of this machine at $3,000 AUD? Also Ryde, you seem to always refer to prices in US Dollars which I understand for your US viewers but it would also be good if you mentioned the AUD as well. That's just some feedback Ryde, not meant as a criticism. Cheers, Stephen.

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

Yes you're right some of the adjustments are either/or through the app. It's mostly the advanced options, so you can still make a great coffee without the app. I still think you'll love the Micra. The Rancilio Pro X is great but it isn't on the same level as the Micra.

[@steph8408]

@@Rydecoffeecoach Thanks Ryde. Cheers Stephen

[@devildman3128]

Curious to know how a machine like the LM compares to any other machine with flow control (Bianca, Decent, Profitec Drive). Will flow control give you better extraction in the long run? Or does the saturated group and durability of the LM (along with prefusion options), standout enough? Thanks!

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

It's hard to compare. The flow/pressure profiling means you have more control over each shot which really expands the way you can get better extractions from fresh or old coffee, light roasts and such. But if the coffee is standard and has degassed, LM will be as good.

[@georgk255]

I don't care about price. I dont care about PID, programming, profiles. I care about the dose, time and grinding. What machine should I get?

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

I'm not sure exactly sure what you mean. Timing as in time to heat up? What do you want from the dose? There's no grinder on these machines and I would strongly recommend never buying a grinder built in. Much better to get a separate grinder. Do you want ease of use? Reliability? Speed to make coffee. Ability to grow advanced as your skills improve? Will this be a forever-ish machine or a stepping stone?

[@georgk255]

@@Rydecoffeecoach I mean. I don't need any of those automatic funktions in my coffee machine. I like Rocket 58 v if I put this controll unit away. But in this case I my money for nothing. Any ideas?

[@coffeesnob1992]

Regarding La Marzocco, I'm interested to see if or when they update the GS3. No doubt it produces brilliant espresso but its a bit outdated now. Products like the Sanremo You are of better value.

[@fgarced]

LM Linea is the most reliable machine in La Marzocco. In my case I make the slayer mod and prefer the look of the Mini with Slayer functionality in the paddle.

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

I definitely feel like they will do something with the gs3 or a model in between Mini and gs3. It feels like they want to broaden the range of home machines and the Micra is the 'entry' level. The You is a great machine too, I agree. 🙌

[@anthonybreslin3386]

Would love a bit of advice guys. I want to upgrade from my Sage barista express. Think I want a dual boiler but only because they seem better on reviews. Home use, I make 2 flat whites every morning and a couple of black americanos as well on weekend. The odd time we have people over so maybe do 4 back to back flat whites. I can use a smart plug for early morning wake up to reduce wait time, but would like a machine with a quicker heat to time. Not as interested in the flow controls, temperature stability etc. I'm going to buy a good grinder and just want to get a decent shot and decent steam in the least amount of time. I've spend lots of time (too much) in rabbit holes looking at all sorts. Profitec 300 and 600 Ranchilio S X Lelit Elizabeth Lelit Bianca Etc etc I know they all have pros/cons. Would like someone just to say this would be best based on my use. Thanks in advance.

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

Is the choice just between those machines you listed? If so, I'm saying Profitec 600 or Lelit Bianca (although it has the flow controller). Rancilio Silvia Pro X is great too but I'm not in love with the overall chassis design compared to the e61s .

[@anthonybreslin3386]

@Rydecoffeecoach thanks for getting back to me. I don't have a preference really so would use others. Just want something user friendly so that when I've dialled the grind/shot, I can basically switch on, press a button for the shot and then steam milk quickly. I can use a smart plug for mornings and to heat up faster. Would like to get a machine for £2k or less. Ideally 2k for machine and grinder (looked at the Eureka mignon digital ones).

[@anthonybreslin3386]

Forgot to add, I'm not ruling out a Heat exchanger. I just thought DB are the better option. Don't know enough about them both.

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

Yeh ok. You're definitely going to have to get a timer because HX and dual boilers will usually take 15-25 minutes to warm up. But once they are up they are very quick to make coffees. The other question is what aesthetic style do you like? Do you like the steampunk designs of the e61 machines (Profitec 600 & Lelit Bianca) or do you prefer the boxed in group heads like the Rancilio Silvia? I just helped someone buy an ECM Mechanika and they are the Mercedes line from a sister company who makes Profitec. All of these machines will be nice and consistent and much better than the Sage Express. Your grinder is going to be more important if you want full consistency. Get a Eureka Mignon Magnifico or similar and you'll be set.

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

If you can stretch the budget, the ECM Synchronika is very similar to the Profitec 600 but better. Get the timber accents on whatever you decide to get, you won't regret that small upgrade! 🙌👌

[@matheos7843]

What do you think about Lelit Giulietta? For small cafe, i'm thinking to buy it. IT cost around 3k in my country

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

I wouldn't get a single group machine for a cafe. Maybe a bar where you only make the odd coffee. Get a 2 group for a cafe so you can increase workflow.

[@waxedgoat]

Hey. For the LM Micra can you use a standard portafilter from a E61 machine?

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

Some of them will fit. You just need to check the ears (the knobs on the side of the portafilter) sometimes they are thicker and won't fit.

[@waxedgoat]

Thanks

[@cmdrriker482]

I think the Micra would have been a solid 9.5/10 if it had another inch between the drip tray and portafilter. That was a strange design decision. It should have been a single boiler, and just for espresso drinkers. They could have cut another $200 off the price.

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

True! That was a weird decision. 🤷

[@backslide311]

I own the Micra and don't have an issue at all with the height from drip tray to the portafilter. I've always used a small 2 ounce cup for the shot anyways. It's a non issue imho

[@backslide311]

Also it's not like I'm going to rip a shot right into my yeti!😅 It's not an issue

[@NavyDave]

Are all these machines approved for commercial use? Totally understand you wouldn't want to run a whole cafe on one of these machines, thinking more of an occasional pop up or farmers market. Mostly looking for home use 99% of the time.

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

Although I wouldn't use them for commercial use just because you could run out of pressure pretty easily. Some of the top end dual boilers would be ok to use, but really I wouldn't advise it

[@fgarced]

Best Machine is La Marzocco Linea Mini... easy choice. I had ECM E61 with all the options and honestly LMLM produce best cup of coffee. Why, have best temperature stability (commercial boliers) and construction quality is top of the top.

[@fgarced]

No way Gaggia Classic can produce better espresso than Espresso machine with high precise temperature stability (Sanremo, La Marzocco, Slayer). The Espresso shots is the way that you can control the multiples variables like: water, time, fresh coffee beans, quality grinder, heat (200F in Medium roast) and others. Decent is a espresso machine that use thermal block to heating on demand vs traditional boiler that still having better stability with precise PIV. I had E61 ECM with all the upgrades and believe me La Marzocco produce the same coffee quality as Hi End Coffee Shops that follow all the standards. La Marzocco Linea Mini the Brew boiler literally is on the top of the portafilter, not heat loss when reach to the coffee puck, this is the temperature stability that I mention.

[@johnrivera3746]

Can you PLEASE help me pick a machine. I cannot make up my mind! Please coach!

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

I can try! List the most important things to you: size, look, features, reliability, ease of use, etc. This will help me narrow it down for you. But at the end of the day, whatever you choose you'll love and you'll always have a little upgraditis. 😋

[@johnrivera3746]

@@Rydecoffeecoach amazing! Thank you for responding ! I care about temperature stability the most but the thing is, I'm mostly torn between an HX machine and a DB one. My day to day is a double shot when I wake, and a double shot when I leave the house for work. Sometimes we have an extra 2 people over and I will make them double shots as well. I just want a machine I can rely on and not have to be worried about temperature. Also I don't use the steamer but like once or twice a month for my wife. Most days, it's just me making 2 double shots about an hour apart from each other. I originally wanted a black machine but I think the classic stainless steel is growing on me. I also care about build and quality. From my research and the companies I like, it seems I am mostly torn between the Rocket Espresso Mozzafiato R, or the R58. I don't care for Lelit, and I want it to be made in Italy with some Italian flare to it. I guess ultimately, I am worried about the reliability of the HX vs the DB when making drinks. Also, I think in about 3-5 years I want to roast my own coffee and I'm not sure how much control I will need to be optimal with flavor, etc. I'll answer any more questions you have! And thanks again!

[@MrBartboy34]

Mate. What about the Bezzera Duo DE. AUD$4989. Volumetric dosing. PID, Dual Boiler. Rotary pump.

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3mmpat8i8R1o7ssi=kQRmcg5298cnzj3t&t=9m44s It's there my man!

[@MrBartboy34]

@@Rydecoffeecoach LOL. I watched part 2 before I watched part 1. Thanks mate.

[@BillColeExperience]

Rocket DOES offer flow control. Ooops

[@lm3718]

Great video. The Decent's water supply is a con for me.

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

How come? You can get it plumbed and the new models have a lid over the water reservoir which helps with keeping bugs and dirt out.

[@86Disab]

What currency is your price range in?

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

USD

[@ibadriba]

13:40 what kind of trippy effects are happening? :D

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

🤣

[@saedalnaimat]

You didn’t include ECM Synchronica

[@knottymatt]

Where are you getting your info from? Decent's a Hong Kong company.

[@FusePB]

All the brains are USA though

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

Where are YOU getting your info from? It's a Seattle company! 🤦🤦 Just because they may have a manufacturing operation in Hong Kong doesn't mean they are from that country. They also have an office in Brisbane so are they an Australian company? No!

[@knottymatt]

@Rydecoffeecoach Happy to be wrong, all the info I've seen says Hong Kong based company though, with offices elsewhere.

[@Rydecoffeecoach]

Appreciate your openness and I apologise for my snappy response, I'm just tired of people attacking small details on my videos sharing information. How they structure the company might be different for tax purposes but Decent Espresso is an American LLC and John lives in San Fran and they have offices in US, HK and Australia but unlike Turin, Difluid, Cafesing etc, it was founded by Americans, owned by Americans and act accordingly. I think it would be misleading to describe the company as HK, that's all. 👌

[@knottymatt]

@Rydecoffeecoach well there you go. Adds a little more confidence in the brand then. Have a Sanremo You, but it highlights how good a Decent is. Eyes on the Decent 'Bengle' release in April.

[@peterprimich9699]

So much incorrect information on the Decent machine.

[@Grabber86]

Easy: The best ist Xenia Espresso DBL

[@popeyeseamaster87]

Yep, they should change the name of the Decent machine. Tacky would be a better fit.