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[@gryph0n55]

One of the many ways you can tell a lot of liberals/leftists like the aesthetic of “making change” more than doing it is how often you get pushback for suggestion the actual reality that yes a substantial portion of minority communities/families have very conservative social values regardless of what party they vote for. Like if we want to actually make progress in society and try to dismantle the conservative ideologies then we have to be able to recognize where it’s present whether or not it’s convenient to us. There’s a lot of homophobia, transphobia, sexism, and yes even racism, in minority circles in America. Obviously not all of them, but way more than we tend to acknowledge.

[@littlefish1069]

This 1000% Not even like there’s more, it’s just.. being a minority doesn’t make someone care about other minorities.

[@rhalfik]

@@littlefish1069 I agree. People are selfish. Some just happen to be oppressed enough to want a reform. I think that's why the left can't accomplish much without liberals.

[@TheSurrealist.]

Oh this is so true. Black and ESPECIALLY Hispanic communities can be very homophobic and racist.

[@TehAnimationSparxx]

Wundo hundo percent, even outside USA, as an Indian livin in Asia I can confirm that you’ll see the same patterns of conservatism & patriarchy in most countries.

[@adrianthoroughgood1191]

I'll ask the other question. As far as I can see, there isn't that much difference between the dominant Democratic Party policy and dominant Republican Party policy on most economic issues. The differences are larger on social issues. So why aren't socially conservative minorities voting Republican? Are there actual Republican policies they object to? Is it just that think the Republicans are largely racist? Are they right to think that? Are the Dems just better at convincing them to vote?

[@asherroodcreel640]

God this data is crazy, I forget how bloody insane most voters are

[@spacecadet9663]

Yeah, that fact that a lot of younger democrats believe these demographic changes are deliberately being done to keep Democrats in office just blows my mind. Like I get that most of them see it as a good thing and aren't just JQ posting, but they aren't really helping our case yknow. Conservatives would (and probably will) read that as an endorsement of their great replacement bullshit, and that really isn't helping anyone, let alone the immigrants that are liable to see further violence due to these conspiracy theories. Also SPL should've included a neutral option on the first question, because these things aren't really positive or negative morally in my opinion, they just are. That's like asking someone if they thought if it's morally good that the sky is blue.

[@robbiekop7]

I'm just happy that this poll was taken....ten years ago nobody would dare run it 😏

[@Unknown-qj9sm]

@@robbiekop7 It says it was run April 18-25, 2022

[@robbiekop7]

Yes that recently not ten years ago....no such poll would have run back then

[@austingoyne3039]

God bless America……..no seriously we need divine intervention

[@somewhat-blue]

Just here to explain the lack of a neutral option - psychometricians often discourage providing it on Likert scales, which is what this is. A surprising number of people will just go with a neutral option unless they’re basically forced to fall on one side or the other, so you usually have to justify why you WANT to have a neutral option, rather than why you don’t want one. People who really dislike the framing can always skip the question.

[@zacheryeckard3051]

Not enough tests actually let you skip questions.

[@trojan-not]

I'm like a first year in sociology, and my proffesors would explain how the neutral option doesn't give us any information as there's multiple conflicting reasons why someone would chose it as an option - as a skip to the question, as a genuinely neutral answer, a lack of opinion (neutral and no opinion are different things after all) and so on

[@Lanoira13]

Not to shoot the messenger, of course, but that's super wierd??? Neutrality is a valid response and if you force someone to pick a different response when they feel neutral you're not accurately reflecting people's sentiments and you're failing the point of polling. Forcing a large amount of participants to pick an answer they don't actually feel taints the results. It seems asinine and borderline hostile towards surveying for a sociologist to exclude the answer they KNOW a large amount of participants will most likely give. I'd argue they probably shouldn't do it unless the POINT of a survey is to see what people pick when you force them to pick an answer that doesn't match what they feel.

[@ASolidSnack]

The thing is "Democrat" includes people like Bill Maher, Joe Rogan and Tim Pool who are conservatives but claim to be disillusioned Democrats

[@Anans1_Spyd3r]

Joe and Tim definitely lean conversative with their rhetoric but you can never call Bill Maher conversative even if you disagree with the current anti-left arch

[@PalnPWN]

Tim Pool voted republican in the 2020 election lol

[@periwinkle1136]

@@PalnPWN Tim Pool was always republican. Vadim proved that he voted for red since at least Mitt Romney's run for presidency in 2012.

[@TheSurrealist.]

Yeah I hear “Democratic” and I don’t hear progressive.

[@stevonwhite8933]

@@TheSurrealist. Same

[@nathanpearce323]

Grouping everyone under the age of 50 as 'younger' seems like a wild idea that I think was only done to make the results easier to read for general audiences. The opinions of those aged from 18 to 50 vary so wildly.

[@junewalker9341]

Apparently lles wildly than the variance between under and over 50

[@TuAmigoElMorrocoy]

As a brown migrant from a third world country in Canada I can confirm that I came to Canada because Justin Trudeau sent me a letter that said "Canada needs your vote/ Canada a besoins de ton vote". I didn't speak English nor French at the time, but I magically understood it because I "listened with my heart".. If you watched Disney's Pocahontas you will know its a power all brown people have. You would think that I left my shitty country because I wanted to move from a bad place to a better place, but that 'make's way too much sense, that's what the libs want your to believe... It was because Trudeau sent personally sent me a letter to my village in the middle of butt fuck nowhere, telling me he'll give me free housing If I moved to Canada and voted for him

[@andreymontag]

So you're saying that Trudeau personally bribes non-white people to migrate to Canada. I see

[@patternrecon5271]

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[@cobblegen1204]

I enjoyed reading this WAY too much. The sheer number of people who believe in such conspiracies make me wonder if I should try to move to Canada.

[@competingcoot4756]

Even if that was true - based.

[@FernandoTorrera]

I can confirm I have taken the jobs of 5 Christian white men and sit in my free housing all day collecting benefits as long as I vote for Biden. I can’t be fired because that would be racist and am extremely lazy

[@stoneman472]

I'm curious to see these results broken down more by age. The under 50/ over 50 split seems to wide

[@LizStaples]

I think this split used often to imply looking toward retirement vs central workforce. I’m betting polling 50-60 would show a good deal of variations from 60+ results. And is worthwhile to look into. I will say a 2.5% margin seems high.

[@whysocurious7366]

@@LizStaples there’s a point at which people aren’t looking to retire anymore? :o

[@ffc1a28c7]

A histogram would be best for many of these.

[@adrianthoroughgood1191]

I'm also curious what the bottom end of the age scale is. 18? 20? Higher? Lower?

[@ffc1a28c7]

@@adrianthoroughgood1191 18, says at the bottom of the webpage

[@rodrigodemiguellamminen5244]

I'm having a hard time believing the rift between younger and older democratic men. If it's true, that's terribly concerning.

[@SoWhosGae]

You forgot incels are a thing

[@mika9578]

Keep in mind that the "younger" category is everyone under 50

[@rhalfik]

My experience agrees with the data. Older folks like my dad remember how bad the social norms were back before the 70s. Young men think that feminism is what they are shown on youtube by conservatives who pretend to be non pollitical.

[@Warrenbowser3]

Gen X is generally more socially conservative about half of which are under 50 still so I'm assuming a majority of the more shocking results for younger people are somewhat skewed but not as skewed as I'd like it to be

[@DasRoteRadieschen]

@@Warrenbowser3 Exactly. I think at the moment the generation between 30-45 is the most right wing. I have read multiple studies from voter demographics of other western countries and I think it's comparable to the US. The oldest generation wasn't radicalised by the new right and the youngest generation is more progressive due to changing social standards.

[@MrElionor]

*Boomer democrats consistently scoring higher on social issues then the younger generations* Vaush: "perhaps we have treated you too harshly"

[@aForkfulOfGold]

Memeing aside, I honestly found that extremely troubling. Not a good omen.

[@cheesushchrist595]

Can confirm the conservative trends in in my democratic black family you spoke of, shit stunted my mind and made me hate my family

[@Jaden-Ring]

Black lgbt people I've known dealt w homophobia and transphobia more regardless of where they live where as white lgbt people I've known seem to be noticeably better off in cities and dem leaning states. Just my experience tho.

[@SoWhosGae]

@@Jaden-Ring Homophobia and transphobia is so tolerated in black communities it's astounding. Idk why it's still not spoken about as much as it should be after all these decades.

[@cheesushchrist595]

@@Jaden-Ring i just know what I could observe, not much outside experience yet

[@blasphimus]

Same. Black men have been conditioned to hate gay people. A lot of black men think that gay black men are basically invented by white people to hold back the civil rights movement. Some blamed LGBT white people as directly hurting the civil rights movement. But even some leaders of the black panthers were very homophobic as well. That plus the more right wing gender roles are all pretty shit and most white liberals just avoid trying to speak about it because they don't want to come accross as a white savior even though they are on the morally correct side of things.

[@j0hnicide]

this is also common in immigrant families. my filipino family is very roman catholic, and is influenced by conservatism heavily even though american conservatism is definitely not in our interest.

[@almosthelpless9374]

A lot of them believe in the idea they just don't like the tone of the manifestos from shooters who also believe it.

[@debordeleur2005]

If someone shot people and wrote in his manifesto that 2+2=4 are you going to stop believing it?

[@tomtomtom6970]

I think the biggest difference is that the great replacement theory specifically says that its constructed by a secret elite or the jews, which in that version only seems to be believed in by conspiracy theorists and proper white nationalists, while most people that are against immigration just dont like the immigrating people's cultural values and that they have higher birthrates, while western birthrates are way down.

[@Romanticoutlaw]

I feel like if the age categories were broken down into 20 year segments we'd see some drastically different results on the whole

[@HenrythePaleoGuy]

Definitely.

[@justr6982]

Frankly, most of the Republicans I know self-report in a way that is much less aggressive than their actual beliefs.

[@lilben4184]

based. Hide your power level until the Day of the Rope

[@pchavez8833]

@@lilben4184 I highly doubt that would ever happen.

[@tribuneoftheplebs9948]

I unironicaly believe that rebranding alot of left ideas i.e. feminism to egalitarianism and socialism to pragmatism would be a huge net gain for the movement

[@blasphimus]

Same. I hate the word feminism. It's not about women it's about all genders and sexes. It gives women a false sense of power that it's a "girl boss" movement. Historical feminism had many great men who contributed a ton as well. And it sets itself up for a "manosphere" event by the duality of masculinity and femeninty. It's just making yourself in any target

[@SidheKnight]

I'm not sure how I feel about those two specific cases, but it's true that the left is awful at branding and optics.

[@Beelzeboogie]

Nah I don't know for how long that would work. It would take like a week before the right came up with some one sentence quip about egalitarianism. Remember, they hate the concept, not the word.

[@marioandloveyaplushmasters3374]

Most self identified “egalitarians” are alt lite or even borderline alt right men’s rights advocates like Sargon.

[@Junebug89]

@@Beelzeboogie The point is to make it more difficult for them to make their pitch to politically uninformed.

[@rainbowkrampus]

I've gone back and forth on the whole "is feminism a term worth keeping" thing for a long time. From a descriptive standpoint, it is a perfectly fine term. It is also maybe optically weak to cede the defining of your terms to people who don't know nothing about nothing. From a prescriptive standpoint, it feels like the battle was lost long ago. Feminism has a colorful history to put it mildly. All kinds of people have claimed the term, many who I wouldn't want to associate with. Meanwhile, half the time I hear normies and rightoids talking about feminism, it's always the brain dead "if it's about equality for everyone, why is it called feminism, hmmmmmmmmmmm?????" At a certain point, it has to be rhetorically more useful to just drop the term. Especially when you have an uphill battle changing the definition most of the people you're trying to convince are using. Like, I realize it was a meme, but I kinda think the old "super capitalism" was not a bad idea. Socialism is weighted with all kinds of baggage. You don't need to look any further than the Hasan house thing to see that. Using a term that bakes in something people nominally agree with already has utility. Instead of feminism we could go for... "hyper equality" or whatever. We'll have to run it by the marketing people. The problem arises when there is discontinuity in messaging. If we call it hyper equality while other people are still calling it feminism. Especially if the people using feminism are making policy, we run into the same issue we have already where a lot of people are using the term one way while we want them to use it in another way. I have a similar issue with how we see people defining racism. I tend to prefer Adolph Reed's line about how racism is just the belief that race exists. It really cuts to the heart of a lot of the problems we see coming up over and over again while framing it in a way that is pretty quick and easy to grasp. I dunno man, words is hard. We could probably stand to take a cue from the rightoids and be more fluid with our terminology. Everyone calls them alt-right these days but I remember when that term first came into being as a cover for white supremacists. While for some people these terms may be synonymous, for many, the term abstracts away the whole white supremacy thing. It was effective even though it was as plain as day what they were doing when they coined the term. Being a brazen, duplicitous asshole when it comes to terminology might not be such a bad thing. The terms don't really matter, the ideas do.

[@NateMcBrady]

That’s a pretty long walk just to say “We should stop using a term because righties ruined it.” Which itself is a pretty long walk to say “Right is mad, we should stop”

[@adrianthoroughgood1191]

It depends what your priority is. If you want to differentiate yourself from non feminists then use feminism. On the charitable side you could call this making yourself a visible ally. On the non charitable side you could call this virtue signalling. If you want to affect political change then you need to take a large bulk (well over 50%) of the population with you on the journey to where you are going. So you get to the point where politicians from both parties see that they have an interest in adopting the policies you support. If you use a term that many people react negatively towards and consider divisive then you end up encouraging Republicans to treat it as a wedge issue and you lose the opportunity to get bipartisan consensus on change. This is particularly a problem so long as the filibuster is in force since it basically rules out national level change on any issue that isn't bipartisan. The same goes for the slogan black lives matter. It is considered divisive because it gets interpreted to mean black lives matter more. If the slogan was "black lives matter too" it would be much harder to disagree with it and it would gey clear majority support and not be a wedge issue. Politicians like things to be wedge issues because they can win votes. Activists should be aiming to for majority support on an issue rather partisan support to make opposing change political suicide. Conservatives will always try to twist things into a straw man they can drum up a reaction against. Railing against giving in to righties redefining terms won't stop them from being able to do it. Make it hard for them to get away with it by choosing terms which are as unambiguous as possible. Egalitarianism objectively means the thing that feminism used to and should mean. Using that term makes it much harder to object to convincingly. Republicans can stand for office saying feminism has gone too far and get elected. I think they'd have a hard time getting elected if they said egalitarianism had gone too far.

[@zacheryeckard3051]

@@adrianthoroughgood1191 If you want people to believe you are egalitarian, then you need to both act towards egalitarian positions and clearly distance yourself from nonegalitarian positions and groups. Like TERFs. Egalitarians are egalitarian. You can criticise some as not being egalitarian and be supported even on a definitional level. Can you do so with "feminist"? There are ABSOLUTELY anti-men feminists. Again, TERFs. Feminist groups don't stamp down on anti-male sentiment enough to actually come across as egalitarian.

[@jonsmith9838]

don't every term liberals or progressive make is turn bad. because the right better as consistently agressively bashing other messaging and uniting. they just don't quit. look how long it took trickle down to die

[@Jack-fw4mw]

The "feminism" thing tracks. Older people remember 2nd wave Feminism, whereas when people use "feminism" now we are in the 4th wave (and the differences are quite notable). Sure, there are some fights from the 2nd wave that are still relevant today, but there are a lot more (and more divisive) things brought up as Feminism today.

[@williammcentee2068]

you're definitely right about the generational difference in perspective of feminism. when older people think of feminism they probably think of abortion activists, but to many people in their 20s like me the first thing that comes to mind when someone says "feminist" is anita sarkeesian complaining about boobs in video games, along with cringy videos from buzzfeed. even if most younger people are fully in favor of women's rights, the term "feminism" has way too much negative baggage attached to it now.

[@maol2038]

Surprisingly based older democratic men? Alright, some of these results were wild

[@tmgn7588]

@@pi172 how so? orange is agreeing with a bigoted statement.

[@tmgn7588]

@@taimaannorppa8782 In der Tat seltsam.

[@tmgn7588]

@@taimaannorppa8782 ganz richtig ^^ und du sprichst Finnisch

[@SidheKnight]

This poll isn't very useful because of the flawed age split. 18 year olds and 45 year olds have very different politics. Think how many right wing online grifters are Gen X'ers.

[@blasphimus]

That doesn't explain why 50+ are heavily more left leaning than younger people. gen x isn't much bigger than millenials and gen z.

[@DesolatedChild018]

GenX - raised “at the end of history” to embody the motto “fuck you got mine”

[@DesolatedChild018]

@@blasphimus it might seem counter-intuitive, but the “silent generation” is more progressive than boomers on it’s own might not seem much, since they are so few, but when you group in such manner, they make more weight also, there’s the element of framing I generally don’t think older, like really older, people are “up to date” regarding these culture war things, unless what’s they are told to - normally by TV still. In this sense I do understand how the “older democrat men” might be chill with gender and trans issues, because Dems in their 70-90s mostly shrug off and barely think on it, while Republicans within the same age range got Fox blasting it to their faces 24/7. Still, doesn’t mean “beacon of progressivism”, it’s just a i don’t give a fuck, but it’s better than the alternative on the opposite, people less than 60 are “in the thick of it” - specially the “50-35” vs “35-18”, which I would pinpoint as the main groups carrying the dialogue in its current form Unfortunately, both are in the same grouping on that methodology in short: most of the perceived progressivism amidst older people comes down to not being something that they usually think about it very much

[@TouringWolf42]

I think the data is bullcrap. It conflicts with every other statistic we've seen.

[@fwdcnorac8574]

Great video to start the day off as a black person, lol. Holy fuck my mental state is shot due to the Republicans daily quest to kill my ass.

[@drophat]

what daily quest

[@greatcesari]

I’ve got your back any chance I get.

[@drophat]

how are republicans trying to kill you

[@itsjustketchup]

@@greatcesari Same.

[@Kevo6492]

The data coming out in the wake of the Buffalo shooting from Republicans and black people says so much. About half of Republicans beliving in the Great Replacement and 75% of black people saying they fear they will be attacked for being black. The numbers sort of coincide but obviously the latter actually has merit and a basis in reality. As a Hispanic male myself living in San Antonio, I sometimes wonder what if the El Paso shooter stopped in this city instead? About a year ago a white suprmacist was arrested after it was known he was planning a mass shooting, he lived about an hour outside of San Antonio. I just hope it gets better but Vaush is right in that we should prepare for the worst.

[@kolomgorov]

Those were extraordinarily counter intuitive results.

[@Senumunu]

they really are not. unless you are living on twitter. then you might indeed be shocked.

[@maxhorsford7800]

@@Senumunu there’s no way you weren’t shocked to see that

[@Senumunu]

@@maxhorsford7800 i am sorry. i dont live on twitter. there was nothing even surprising about this. class warfare is not just rich vs poor. its young vs old, male vs female, middle class vs lower class, upper class vs upper class and it goes on and on the warfare between the top 1% and the top 10% alone is a massacre. ideologies are just tools for these groups to solidify and serve their self interests and they will polarize even more.

[@maxhorsford7800]

@@Senumunu I don’t live on twitter either I just see what I see in the world and this ran counter to it

[@TouringWolf42]

@@Senumunu The age demographic is way to wide. I'm pretty damn sure than, actual younger dem men would view trans people way more positively but couldn't say the same for Dems in their 40s.

[@slime8177]

Kochinski continues to spread Kochinski thought far and wide

[@saininj]

Conservatives scare the crap out of me.

[@cummywummy2896]

They are evil

[@blasphimus]

Get organized and stay armed.

[@ararepotato1420]

@@cummywummy2896 The ones in charge are evil, the regular voters are just ignorant and misled.

[@robbiekop7]

That's what the Conservatives have been doing since 2008 😏

[@unslaadkrosis3489]

They’re unimaginably cruel and completely insane. They reject empirical reality entirely. All that’s left in them is fear and hate.

[@finleysmurflton4851]

This data conflicts with better studies done by Pew, and their method section is ONE SENTENCE. I reached out to the author of the poll/article and she never got back to me. I’m calling bullshit on this one

[@cobblegen1204]

Can you link the pew data?

[@TouringWolf42]

Anti-trans liberal propaganda confirmed, thank you fellow patriot.

[@eelvis1674]

"Men should be represented and valued more" makes no comment on this being a detriment to women. Progress isn't a zero sum game. I assume the reason answers were so favourable here was for talking more about men's issues.

[@SidheKnight]

That was what I thought. The phrasing was too vague. They should have worded it like "men are undervalued and underrepresented relative to women in our society" or something like that.

[@danielcrafter9349]

This

[@KateeAngel]

Men have a lot of issues nowadays. Some just mistakenly blame feminism instead of capitalism

[@SidheKnight]

@@KateeAngel Exactly. Although some of it is not just capitalism but also wider societal fucked up expectations of gender roles.

[@eelvis1674]

@@KateeAngel well its not all capitalism. Its the patriarchy too

[@plumprook6296]

Don’t take the poll too seriously. The sample size is too small to look at crosstabs reliably

[@plumprook6296]

The sample size is only 1,500, and if that were split evenly between the 8 groups that would be 188 people surveyed in each demographic group. Way too small to be reliable

[@A86]

Seriously. They must have sampled Bernie Sanders type older Democratic men, Arnold Schwarzenegger type older Republican men, and Nazbol vortex younger Democratic men. Those results do not track at all as being accurately representative of the average 50+ Republican man or younger Democratic man. Unless 50% of young Democratic men are Incels. Then again, a lot of young black and Hispanic men are Kevin Samuels and Fresh & Fit fans but vote Democratic. It's a bane of my existence as a 35 year old black man how socially retrograde the black community is despite being more economically left-leaning on average than white Americans.

[@Jorge-np3tq]

Yeah their 2.5% margin of error is wrongly calculated, it would only apply if it was one group. But if we take 188 for each subgroup that's still 7% moe which isn't that bad.

[@plumprook6296]

@@Jorge-np3tq yeah but MOEs apply in both directions, so both agree and disagree could be off by 7, meaning there’s a possibility it’s off by 14 from what it says

[@beezusHrist]

@@blasphimus no, the sample size is LITERALLY too small. This is unscientific and no way REPRESENTATIVE of 330 million Americans. More people needed to be polled.

[@tylersanchez7153]

Please greatly replace me Voosh

[@nok4799]

You will be sent to coconut island

[@littlefish1069]

I mean, valuing men more than we do now WOULD be valuing them more than women. Anyone who thinks men are valued less than women is wrong imo

[@FernandoTorrera]

It entirely depends on context in a crisis women are protected first but in the everyday grind of work women are not taken seriously and or treated as a sex object

[@Axxilles]

I get where you're coming from, but I disagree. Men have had more pressure and burden put on them in the forms of hard labor and war, but women have been treated like literal property for most of human history. All political power has been held by men for all of history. Women haven't been allowed in most power positions or lucrative careers for most of human history. Society treats men poorly in many ways. It has almost always treated women worse. Would you rather have the legal right to vote, own property, make basic decisions for yourself, and be more or less property of your parents then of your partner, or have a chance of going to war and having a hard job? I want to tell you your perspective is ridiculous, but I'm trying to be nice.

[@Fantallana]

@Twenty faces delusional

[@pauljames1807]

Men are failing education, are chronically lonely and their suicide rates are through the roof and its barely ever addressed

[@7TheWhiteWolf]

Who knew old guys could be so based

[@Therealolbussyjumbo]

It’s INSANE that people consider this a problem.

[@factsmachine9905]

It sure is a real problem

[@robbiekop7]

Sure is

[@premiersportingkc3443]

Honestly, the data of this study is very flawed. I checked Pew Research and Gallup polling on these same issues, and their consistent findings found that Dems overwhelming supported Trans rights, with young Dems being the most supportive by far. If ten studies show one point, but one study shows the opposite, then which is more likely? That ten studies are flawed or that one study is flawed?

[@V555Vendetta]

9:35 This is so true, I'm Latino, lived in mostly black communities for most of my time in the USA, and they can't handle it and call me racist because I'm white passing when I say this. But if you heard a black person in my neighborhood talk about gay people or about feminism or interracial dating, if they sounded white and you reversed the roles, you would swear you were talking to a trump supporter The black community and the Mexican American community are both extremely extremely socially conservative, if the Republican party wasn't racist against them they'd probably vote for them in a heartbeat

[@SongBird101]

As far as the socially conservative black households voting democrat, I live in that situation. My parents don’t like lgbt+ people, think it’s a little weird I’m engaged to a white guy, and believe the biblical sense of women being below men. Super weird

[@Lambda_Ovine]

This data is very concerning. Even if the

[@anthonytitone]

Too small of a sample size & the younger groups are too broad since Gen X tends to be even more conservative than boomers

[@Jorge-np3tq]

Sample size would've been fine for a general population yes v no thing but by splitting into 8 subgroups their margin of error goes all the way up to 7 points

[@KateeAngel]

It would be more logical if younger/older split would be at median age, which is around 40

[@jonoxes8662]

Vaush. For the people taking the survey, they almost definitly interpreted it as "more than they are now". Or at least a large part of the people who said "yes". The people who said no, most likely thought of it as "more than women". At least that's how I'd have answered depending on my interpretation which could've gone either way depending on the way I think that certain day, or whatever. That's why polls should be very specific. Which a lot of political polls fail at. Because when you don't know exactly what you're answering you have to guess what they thought. But you also can't just write "do you think you're sexist?" or "do you hate women?" because obviously no one will answer that.

[@Juel92]

I read the men valued question in the absolute sense and not relative. With "in our society" I think it implies compared to the current state.

[@TheBlarggle]

Lefties recognize that black people aren't magically bigotry-free challenge: Impossible.

[@beezusHrist]

Why do you hone in on black people like we are the only minorities? A lot of the fight against racism is against attitudes white Americans hold, not attitudes 13% of the population hold. Whether some black people may hold conservative views is irrelevant when you look at the big picture and the fact that the racism in the United States is a creation of white people and is largely upheld by white people.

[@falloutsheppy8823]

I can attest that irl I've been harassed by people in their mid 30s and younger even more than I have been by people in their late 40's. But it also has to do with younger people being more confrontational.

[@TheBasedGreeg]

The question of “men being valued more,” clearly seems like it just means “more than right now,” not “more than women.” Also I unironically think that going from “feminism,” to “egalitarianism,” would help a lot. I was an edgy gamer gate teen back in 2016, and I remember me and my edgy dumbass friends tipping our metaphorical fedoras like “Heh, well riddle me this SJW! If ‘feminists,’ care about men too, and aren’t man-hating, then why do they call their ideology ‘feminism,’ rather than ‘egalitarianism’ like us, huh? ‘Feminism,’ implies it’s solely about advancing the rights of women, and combined with seeing these 3 Anita Sarkeesian videos, I KNOW you all just hate men! Heh, checkmate SJW!” Dumb as fuck, but 17 year old me was convinced that that was a massive own against “radical feminists.”

[@TheBasedGreeg]

@@taimaannorppa8782 I personally think it should’ve always been “Black Lives Matter Too.” If we can attract more people just by changing the name, without changing any policy goals, I’ll take that in a heartbeat personally. Same with socialism, if Vaush’s “Super Capitalism,” worked, go for it. I don’t care about the name at all, I only care about the end goals

[@murica7095]

@@TheBasedGreeg defund the police also sucks as a slogan

[@chelsgo8675]

I find it interesting that the divide over acceptance of political violence isn't partisan, it's age. Like the fact that young people of both political leanings are split so damn near evenly on that should REALLY say something.

[@Lythgoemania]

Oh god, a lot of that data about attitudes towards feminism among younger liberals is very disturbing

[@kelseipixal617]

My fears are confirmed. Kill me please.

[@nochillwill4667]

As a young black democrat male, I support all the ideals of feminist. However women who carry the label really poisoned the label for me by being hateful to everyone else. They hate men outright, hate straight women for liking men, hate gay men for some reason (even though they should fine with them), they dislike trans men (AFAB), and call trans women predators. All I can say is don't be surprised if you lose support by burning all bridges.

[@nochillwill4667]

the feminist I dealt with said otherwise and use the label as an excuse to trash men. If you think Im lying, the woman who wrote the Harry Potter books is a clear case of feminist hating others especially trans. I believe in all female rights but I don't deal with the feminist brand.

[@JuliusCeasar-sd6uj]

No I think what Ian meant was that instead of saying how feminists are evil you only said the women in it are evil. I thought people like you believed all feminists hate men including men

[@JuliusCeasar-sd6uj]

@@nochillwill4667 Moron JK Rowling is a terf and many feminists disagree with her. You sound no different from mens rights activist or redpill types. Infact I would say terfs are just as bad as redpillers

[@JuliusCeasar-sd6uj]

I noticed you aren't subsribed to any female content creators. That's not a coincidence

[@JuliusCeasar-sd6uj]

@@nochillwill4667 Some blm activists hate white people I guess blm is trash then by your logic

[@hadriandwyer2191]

Dude you gotta talk about the daily wire's new ads for their transphobic documentary or whatever. They're scarily high quality and almost trick you into thinking they're not batshit crazy for a second

[@doc7000]

This is something that I have noticed a long time ago, against what the general consensus in public older people tend to lean more to the left then younger people.

[@verager2493]

Old dem men FTW, I guess

[@wedgewizard5429]

What people fail to understand, is there will always be people who simply prefer their own race type. This "replacement" isn't going to happen anytime soon. Also, it wouldn't matter if it were true and was happening. People like what they like and that's okay. That said, it isn't true or happening. The issue is actually that demographics are shifting and some people (a minority) are losing their minds over it. Demographics will shift over time, but it isn't anything to get furious over. In fact, getting mad about it isn't really going to help you unless you can make a society based on The Handmaidens Tale. And that story should have been a cautionary tale, not an instruction manual.

[@tomtomtom6970]

Well, it does matter to the people you talk about who just naturally have a more in-group-mentality like you say, and Israel throwing out palestinians and europeans having taken america could also be called "demographic shifts over time".

[@jascu4251]

We need to talk about the fact that people in almost all urbanised countries are failing to replace themselves, fertility rate significantly below replacement rates in most countries. Countries without immigration, like Bulgaria, have been losing population for decades - Bulgarias population having peaked in 1990. Ageing population pyramids and depopulation aren't being talked about enough. It is starting to crop up more but its still an underdiscussed topic

[@marmar3530]

Republicans REALLY want (white) people to have kids. It's so creepy but this is one of the reasons why

[@patternrecon5271]

Minimum replacement birth rate: 2.1 EU birth rate: 1.53 Canada birth rate: 1.47 USA birth rate: 1.70 Russia birth rate: 1.50 Ukraine birth rate: 1.23 Australia birth rate: 1.66 Israel birth rate: 3.00 Israel education minister Rafi Peretz on intermarriage. Israel justice minister Ayelet Shaked on keeping the jewish majority even at the expense of human rights. CNN: Joe Biden: Im a zionist, you don't have to be a jew to be a zionist. Angry foreigner: Joe Biden: it's a good thing that whites will be an absolute minority in the USA

[@tomtomtom6970]

But why does it have to be above replacement level? And why is immigration the awnser to that and not for people to just start f_cking again? Or at least do something to incentivize that.

[@henriquepacheco7473]

@@jascu4251 Countries with immigration have the next best thing to a total fix, which is, of course, receiving working-age immigrants to shore up its working productive population.

[@Romanticoutlaw]

considering that the earth has a limited amount of land and a limited amount of resources, I'm not sure why we should be aiming for above replacement levels unless we start to see any danger of extinction of the entire human species

[@JakeLikesToTalk]

I just found your channel and you've quickly become one of my fav content creators , keep up the good work!

[@rnelson1415]

Wow guess I really am a boomer at heart, I agree with the "older democratic men" almost across the board 💀

[@dinosaysrawr]

I genuinely love living in a multicultural society, and also love just about anything that enrages right-wing reactionaries--but, real-talk, the Left will have to confront the reality that suffering doesn't magically imbue you with empathy and that racial minorities aren't pure, compassionate, or inherently left-leaning just by virtue of being racial minorities--meaning, a growing contingent of minorities *will* be drawn to the Right and to the Republican Party because they want to slam the door on the latest immigrants, still ardently believe in Patriarchy and Tradition, want to protect their wealth and assets, and don't like "the queers" and uppity women any more than the white supremacists do. The Left needs to be ready to confront and troubleshoot that, or we'll get caught with our trousers down.

[@M3G4FR34K]

Somehow got that stupid WIAW ad. They're really trying 😒

[@Regenmacher175]

This is why I am always surprised when leftists think that the left-leaning Dems in Congress somehow have the ability to shift all those attitudes within US society at large to a more inclusive and left-wing place by themselves. It is ok to say that left-wing policies are what the US needs but that most of the American population will likely not support them at this point.

[@MobiusRosa]

Goblin Vussy

[@AbonZel3]

When it comes to the question that asked if men should be more represented and valued by society, I'm pretty sure it means vs non men. If it just said "valued," I would say it's pretty ambiguous, because a person or group being valued doesn't make other people devalued necessarily, but representation is more of a zero sum game. When it comes to representation, we typically talk about it in regards to various jobs and media figures, either fictional or non fictional. If we take a movie and we say we want more representation for men, then that would mean more of the roles and screen time would go to men as a percentage, taking away roles and screen time from non men.

[@zombiemaster823]

The older democratic men being more favorable to me actually kinda makes sense to me because you gotta image these are the guys that fought for unions and what not.

[@dannysdungareedanceoff8481]

It doesn't say or imply more than than women, it means more than they are now

[@judas4544]

yeah as a lower class white dude i can confirm that a lot of lower class people(not just black people) vote dem but are socially conservative

[@Lazauya]

Everyone: violence is not ok Young men: ehhhhhh...?

[@DeadMech1]

@Sophes Probably because the full quote involves the stipulation of IF they're driving around massacring people. Which, you know, seems like a fair response.

[@Mae_Dastardly]

Violence is pog when its against fascists

[@JuliusCeasar-sd6uj]

@@Mae_Dastardly and anti-feminists

[@fredekkrainakredek7218]

Clearly all americans should strive to be Joe Biden.

[@burkles4456]

remember 'younger' includes the 40-50 year old joe rogan alcoholics on both sides lmao

[@LizStaples]

Black Republicans are a certain archetype as well (Key and Peele did a sketch on it)

[@scarlettuppenberg940]

Great video!

[@Theyungcity23]

16:00 okay younger just being less than 50 years old is ludicrous and it explains this whole video. Yes let's put Hasan's zoomer chat who was appalled the Kendrick Lamar was the first rapper to say the f word, and Jimmy Dore fans in the same category. Come on.

[@SailingSeignior]

How is Jimmy Dore left-wing? You mean back in like 2014?

[@Theyungcity23]

@@SailingSeignior There are people who will swear that he is the last vestige of the left.

[@Theyungcity23]

@Twenty faces Reread my comment and then think about it.

[@SailingSeignior]

@Twenty faces Depends on the poll you read. Many polls have found that Gen Z is the generation most comfortable with socialism. We’ll see as they age how their voting habits actually turn out.

[@SailingSeignior]

@Twenty faces Depends on the country really. What social issues are you referring to? In the US, Pew has found the younger someone is the more pro-choice they tend to be. Most Gen Z’ers want action on gun control. Most favor more environmental protections. The only issue that has been a little back and forth over the last couple years depending on polling is transgender rights which corresponds to other generations, as well. Probably due to all the hate trans people are getting from the right. They’re the new enemy now that gay people aren’t being attacked as much. Gen Z’ers tend to be pro-trans rights and gay rights, as well as just views on equality between the sexes. Gen Z is the reason there has been a dramatic shift in LGBT percentages. Something like 20% of Gen Z reports to be in that community (most of them reporting to be bisexual). Again, they’ve really only been through one or maybe two presidential elections so their voting habits aren’t set in stone yet but they voted for Joe Biden with about 2/3 of their total vote. Gen Z’ers also registered to vote/actually voted at way higher rates than other generations when they were Gen Z’s age. They tend to be more politically engaged than other generations when they were young. We’ll see if that continues. It’s important to note that minds can and do change. The liberal, free love hippies became the baby boomers that voted for Reagan twice.

[@benjaminjameskreger]

I don't think I've ever related more to Vaush more than him pausing for three seconds before adding "it's warm in there".

[@QT5656]

The survey should've included a question about giving further land and political power back to Native Americans.

[@gking407]

Young people so easily tricked into believing things isn’t their fault, it’s a lack of engagement with all types of people and opinions. It’s best to listen and learn instead of cheerleading ideas you haven’t thought very deeply about.

[@The92Waffles]

I think the correct opinion about this is a neutral one. It is what it is. Don't be weird and say its "great" that demographics are changing, and don't be a racist and say it's a huge issue it's happening.

[@user-qd3lc7zb6n]

No great replacement? 🥺

[@AnarchyIsLove]

Time for "Theminism" arc B)

[@DaPhunkeeFeel1]

It looks like someone miscoded the democrat X age category when creating all but the last couple plots - it is extremely rare for a breakdown by party and age to show totally opposite age trends within the 2 parties. SPLC is professional, but mistakes happen.

[@Daydream355]

These results blew my mind. Older democratic men here I come

[@Magicwillnz]

Old democratic men = champions of justice, apparently.

[@aaronpolichar7936]

Well this makes me proud to be an older Democratic man.

[@Silverfang447]

Thumbs up and an additional comment to beat the algorithm. Thanks for the video! 👍🔥👍

[@zackwolf4625]

Just call me out, I’m a 23 year old college student who just took a test discussing CRT

[@jonsmith9838]

think replacement theory and adding more voters that voters is two different things. replacement is more of your race and entire way of life being replace. least to me

[@dannysdungareedanceoff8481]

Of all the conservatives minority households he picks us...

[@blacxthornE]

The US is doomed.

[@courygaffney4408]

Something is wrong with this data lol it’s completely counter to stats we already know

[@anno-fw7xn]

could be or people are just more consertive in the dems than you all want to know, the Dems are consertive in the rest of the Wester world.

[@coolbanana165]

Young male democrats have some issues.

[@Almost_a_hero]

Based old dem women???????

[@MarkSoupial]

Turns out the Silent Majority was an army of Bernie Sanders'

[@Alienshade]

It's because they already did it in America and other countrys like Australia. They beleve that other people are that evil all the time like they are. And can't accept that they are the most evil. They can't live with that.

[@parkerhope387]

Based old men.

[@teifan6674]

Tldr it should be socially acceptable to discriminate younger democratic men

[@teifan6674]

@@taimaannorppa8782 sono contenta che tu sia d'accordo ^^

[@teifan6674]

@@taimaannorppa8782 no it's Italian. It's nice to see other languages that aren't English from time to time!

[@cartoonjunky9913]

i like vaushes immediate neutrality on the first question.

[@6dhypercube740]

These stats are very scary.

[@tomtomtom6970]

I dont think "men should be valued more" necessarily means "valued MORE THAN women"

[@tomtomtom6970]

@@taimaannorppa8782 Where does it say that?

[@gengarvenom1180]

To be fair, they haven't passed the genocide bill yet.

[@tylerhackner9731]

Younger dem men concern me

[@50733Blabla1337]

Everytime I see these surveys I just wanna leave earth. What the fuck

[@babygorilla4233]

Chat when the content isn't targeted towards zoomers.

[@tobble2414]

Wtf i can’t make sense of this data

[@chandlerharrise4300]

I also feel neutral about this

[@VintageSP]

Based Joe Biden!

[@kevinblast4664]

Bruh 😩

[@AlertROFL]

Ben got ads on this video

[@TitaniusAnglesmith]

This survey really seems flawed