What Could Have Been: A 5th Turtle in Ninja Turtles 4

[@Marc-pu1wm]

Judith Hoag has been doing live streams on KZbin lately and she talked about why she didn't return for the second movie. She said she did raise too many concerns and angered people but she said it actually had nothing to do with the violence; she said she knows kids rough house and she had siblings who were all rough with each other, and furthermore she said she recognized the type of movie she was in simply because it had "ninja" in the title and that she never complained about the violence. She's proud of working with Jim Henson's team and that if they were part of it that it couldn't be that violent. Also, since they did tone down the violence in the second movie that never made sense to me that they would let her go for that reason. She said she didn't like that when the Chinese stunt men got hurt that they got sent home with no compensation and that she didn't realize at the time that that was how things worked in the stunt industry in China. I imagine there's more to it but I think she was just too loud behind the scenes and that's why they didn't ask her to be part of the second movie.

[@slide5039]

I believe that assessment

[@jeffreybokhari6772]

I Hope Judith Hoag Does Return To Another Film As April O’Neill And If They Do A Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 4 Cause I Like Her Better Than Paige Turco And When I Think Of April O’Neill From The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Movie I Think Of Judith Hoag

[@psilva2462]

I saw those streams and she is mostly backtracking. She had a huge problem with the violence of the first one. Now she does the comic cons and is trying to right those previous comments

[@spiderjerusalem6887]

so what you're saying is that they told her to Shut It?

[@Omar-wq9dz]

That 1990 film is still so good. It found the right balance between the original darker/serious comics and the 80s kid friendly animated show. It’s a shame the sequels had to drop that because of complaints about the first film’s violence

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Agreed

[@SuperiorSuit]

this movie surprisingly got low reviews but I swear if it came out today it would be so successful and praise I like mutant mayhem don't get me wrong but it just doesn't hold a candle it the original

[@jedi4049]

when I was a kid the 1st movie was a little dark in a good way. That director accomplished something.

[@jetla22]

Karen's been ruining entertainment for decades

[@supermariof0521]

@@Bulletsandblockbusters At this point studios should tell overly sensitive snowflake parents to go f..k themselves and stop trying to prevent their kids from thinking for themselves.

[@robintst]

The older I get the more I admire and appreciate that first movie. Saw it in the theater when it came out and it definitely made me somewhat question the persistently goofy tone of the cartoon and why it never really grew out of that mold. I guess I can blame other kids' pearl-clutching parents that wrote in complaints about the violence and being total buzzkills. Never changes though, people still complain about shows and movies they don't like influencing their kids instead of actually exhibiting responsible parenting.

[@jeffspain3613]

The movie wasn't as cheesy as the cartoon, but it was still so soft compared to the comics. They crapped all over the original fans when they turned it into a joke of a kids cartoon. The movie wasn't much better.

[@stacks_968]

I bet those kids grew up to be just like their parents and that's why society is so soft right now

[@HunterShark300]

I was obsessed with the 1990 movie as a kid. Such an underrated gem.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Same here

[@jaymz_rg1003]

So was I. While I loved the animated series of that time, I really appreciated the darker tone of the movie. I know I saw it more than once in theaters when it came out. And even as a kid, I was disappointed with SotO and even more so with III, even though I loved (and still have the SNES game) Turtles In Time. I was 5 in 1990 and just thought "This movie is so cool!" I think maybe because subconsciously it felt so realistic to me; like it could actually happen and not be goofy.

[@jeffspain3613]

When you consider the source material, the 1990 film was extremely overrated.

[@ultimatefanboy4060]

That right there is my all-time favorite movie. I just don’t think they can make a better ninja turtles movie than that

[@jeffspain3613]

@@ultimatefanboy4060 Sure they can. They could drop the cheesy surfer accents, the multi-colored masks, and the PG rating, and make the Turtle movie that follows the comic. Not the family friendly abomination that they turned the turtles into.

[@stephcarlofc]

I remember seeing the OG Ninja Turtles movie in '90. I saw it opening weekend in theaters. Man it was packed!! One of the movies that changed my life and still to this day one of the best experiences in the theaters I have ever had!! 90s was good times!!

[@jeffspain3613]

Nothing OG about that watered down G rated version of the real OG turtles.

[@shechshire]

@@jeffspain3613So you want a movie about some obscure comic book almost no one even knows about or cares except some comic book nerds? 😐Yeah, sorry dude, that’s not possible, you need to get over it.

[@jeffspain3613]

@@shechshire Yeah, that's exactly what I want. And clearly, plenty of people knew about it and love it or you never would have heard of it.

[@shechshire]

@@jeffspain3613 Yeah, sorry to burst your bubble but that’s not happening 😏. I don’t actually know anything about it. I just heard it mentioned in one of these TMNT KZbin documentaries, that doesn’t mean everyone “knows & loves it”.

[@jeffspain3613]

@@shechshire No bubble burst here. Not sorry you didn't get to burst it. I'm well aware that they'll probably never fix the ruined franchise. That doesn't mean I can't voice my opinion. You know, free country and all...

[@calebellis1764]

how awesome would it be if they made “The Last Ronin” a film and had Barron direct?!

[@5PawZ]

They announced a video game of The Last Ronin and pitched it similar to God of War (2018) in terms of storytelling and tone

[@joshuainadagbo4771]

@@5PawZi pray to God it happens… like a “all world” turtles game

[@FriendZone75]

Well do I have good news for you! First part is done, now we just need Barron on to direct!

[@mattabshier2494]

The 1990 film is on a level to itself imo, though the 'Secret of the Ooze' essentially being a live action version of the beloved cartoon show gives it a ton of merit in my eyes.

[@R0T0RGUST]

I think an interesting character for the fifth turtle would have been a human exposed to mutagen after he had been in contact with a normal turtle, such as a kid’s pet. Then he mutates into the same kind of “thing” as the TMNTs, but he has all these unlimited potentials for backstory from a normal human life.

[@redrobotmonkey]

WHen I was a kid, I thought the 2nd film was so much better, just because they had sorta a "Bebop and Rocksteady" version of the bad guys. Re-watching the 1990 film no, I see how much better it was.

[@Omar-wq9dz]

Speaking of 4th films, how about videos on earlier versions of Toy Story 4 and Lethal Weapon 4? Toy Story 4 originally had Woody and Buzz try and find Bo Peep without Forky in it, while Lethal Weapon 4 was going to have Murtaugh and Riggs fighting neo nazis planning a terrorist attack. They both sounded better than the finished movies

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

I’ll add em to the list

[@leewright1]

​@@Bulletsandblockbusters I know you must have a super long list, but would you be interested in looking at Hellraiser 4: Bloodline?

[@marcygitan9894]

Amazing. My childhood on display. Great research.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Thanks!

[@ethandoyle4978]

Dang , I knew there was gonna be another turtle in the 4th film but hearing more information about this honestly makes me wish we got to see this.

[@davidkruse4030]

This sounds Like a teenage marijuana story. It would have been a mess. There was no way they could pull that off

[@omarlopes5762]

I agree I always wanted to see what would of happened in TMNT 4 live action movie

[@ohmyv3gatron]

Yeah I don’t like the ideas they threw out for the 4th. That’s too much going on and seems cheap

[@stacks_968]

The 1990 movie was the second movie i ever saw in the theaters and I'll never forget that memory

[@johnpittsii7524]

Always fan of the TMNT movies of 1990s ❤

[@bensneb360]

I love the 90’s Turtles, and the idea of them mutating further and all the 90’s “Extreme” sounds fun, so I would of LOVED to have seen that

[@nicksorenson940]

Notably the idea of the turtles going through further mutations made its way into the final "Red Sky" episodes of the 1987 cartoon during the time they introduced Lord Dregg to be their new main villain. What's funny is that their mutations in the cartoon almost made them look like the designs they would get in the 2014 movie.

[@willrueb9573]

Just that thumbnail looks next level bad ass.

[@jonathancampbell5231]

I've got a soft spot for the 2ns one; the third is very forgettable. None of the 4th film ideas sound very interesting to be honest though, and the more ambitious ones would probably have 90s / early 00s special effects that would have dated very quickly if they somehow managed to get them to work at all. Doesn't seem like there is any logical theme or narrative progression in any of these films, except for the 2nd one which at least deals with the origins of the Turtles, development of their relationship with April, and the return of the Shredder. After that, they were just throwing random ideas at the wall and seeing what stuck. (Which I think is arguably a problem for every iteration of the Turtles franchise, but especially noticeable here)

[@mihaelklampfer9327]

Exactly. (The same fear the comic producers had, keep the comic as it is and movies as 1 and 2 was and keep going 100% like that. It always gone to sh*t because they had fear they need to change it).

[@BilSande4]

Now I really want to see a director's cut of the first TMNT movie. I am actually shocked it was never released on DVD or BluRay. That would be money in the bank for what I assume would be a modest financial investment. I wonder if the cut footage still exists? If so, someone needs to make that happen.

[@bobscanlon5212]

Love the shot of Feldman during the drug possession claim. By the way your channel is great. Love the new content. Quickly becoming one of my favorite go tos

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Thank you!!!

[@seanmichael9625]

T h e First Ninja Turtles was a masterpiece

[@typejlb]

I would've loved to see Steve Baron's sequel. Also, that Shredder scene at 3:05 looks Sick! It reminds me of the fight scene from IP Man, where he fights the 10 Black belts.

[@EliasLavado-c4m]

This was definitely one of my favorite videos of yours😍 I had no idea that they were planning a 4th film like this although I’m surprised Peter Laird was alright with the 5th Turtle idea since it’s explained in the Toys That Made Us Episode on the Turtles he was very against the idea of a 5th turtle and argued with Kevin Eastman about that a lot which in the end is what caused them to separate their partnership and Kevin to sell his rights to the Turtles to Laird.

[@azn1011]

I love Secret of the Ooze. I have a soft spot for it

[@SirTyJensen]

The first two Ninja Turtles movies are awesome! Ninja Turtles 4 sounds crazy!

[@wingman-1977]

So glad that 4th film never materialized.

[@brianmcintosh4716]

i watched the vhs tape every day for 20 years i knew everyword off by heart it has always been my favorite film of all time

[@danielwilliamson6180]

It's a shame we didn't get the 4th movie. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Next Mutation would have been better than the 2014 reboot which wasn't great.

[@srstriker6420]

I thought you would talk about the first draft of Secret of the Ooze where the Shredder doesn’t return instead we get Baxter Stockman and the Rat king also that David Warner was going to be an Utrom.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

That could be another video all its own

[@adrianthearmorwarrior1605]

Speaking of TMNT, SR Striker have you also seen TMNT: Out of The Shadows which is a sequel to TMNT (2014)?

[@madworldproductions855]

This channel has quickly become one of my favorites!

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Thanks!

[@Eternaldarkness3166]

What's interesting is, I was reading the little facts things on Amazon and it said in II they wanted to do a cut-scene at the end showing Professor Jordan Perry's character was originally conceived as an Utrom. This was to be revealed as a cliffhanger or twist ending, but was nixed due to worries that the audience would mistakenly identify the Utrom as Krang, as at the time the Utroms were not known outside of the original comics by Mirage Studios Imagine what the 3rd movie would have looked like then..

[@FRJ54]

Yes lets go you are back i was wondering could you cover what Pirates of the Caribbean 6 could of been since we most likely wont be getting it.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

I’ll look into it

[@aaronniotta1504]

Nothing has come close to the perfection of that first live action turtles film for me! I grew up loving the ninja turtles & even believe a lot of my personality development as a child I credit to Michelangelo 🧡🍕

[@AlphaProto]

I like the idea of a dystopian timeline, but it would be better if it was a take on Dimension-X just to keep things relevant. Then Dimension-X would be a true parallel dimension instead of just an alien world. Since everything has been earth based. It would be a nice way to liven things up, and stand out from the rest of the films.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

8:06 if evil April came with full blown H cups and nipples it probably would've been the greatest terrible TMNT movie of all time

[@frostyshock]

What do you think caused April to turn Evil?? My only guess is that she was kidnapped by the Foot Clan and they injected her with the ooze.

[@crimsonking4379]

Technically, we would get a fourth film in this series, the 2007 animated TMNT movie. If you look it Splinters ... trophy(?) room, you'll see Shredder's helmet, the mutagen canister, and the time traveling staff.

[@derricknichols5787]

Who would've loved to seen the splinter & shredder scenes. It would've been cool to see.

[@venuskuellar6530]

Underrated KZbin Channel ⬆️

[@mangaloveranix8412]

I watched only the 1st TMNT movie and it was fortunately impressive in an incredible manner of modernizing comic characters towards kids without losing a beat.

[@GuyWebz]

I began revisiting the older TMNT movies after seeing Mutant Mayhem, which I absolutely loved. I would’ve liked to have seen a fourth film

[@Wildicon19]

The first Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie was a blast, and had a killer soundtrack! It is too bad it received such a bad reputation of being too violent. The sequels were good but were dumbed down in the violence and were too kid friendly. They still had cool stories, and relied on gags to pull the movie through. Fast forward to today, they had a few great Turtle movies since, and my favorite being the Mutant Mayhem, their latest release! If The Last Ronin comes to light, it will be a hit for sure if it is done right! Rated R for Ronin would fit just right!

[@Laufield]

TMNT 90s movies was perfect

[@nogrecords]

Whatever, i dont care what ANYONE says; TMNT2 Kicked ASS! I *STILL* LOVE that movie to this day, and im now 41 years old 😂

[@XtremeZero.]

Dark gritty, I grew up with these movies they were not dark and gritty, more like goofy comedy 😂 I liked them back in the 90's

[@marcelinovazquez5128]

Something you didn't bring up was the fact they create a 4th Turtles movie in a way. Back in 2007 they released the darker, grittier and more complex animated film titled TMNT. And that was supposed to be gateway for a new trilogy where Shredder returns in the second one and they deal with the Triceraton Invasion in the third. But Nickelodeon then bought the rights to the franchise which gave us the 2012 cartoon which in my opinion is still the best Turtles interpretation/product and the studio that worked in the movie then went bankrupt the following year after the failure of Astro Boy

[@jerms08]

Wise men say, forgiveness is divine but never pay full price for late pizza

[@RahhmiPoofs]

never saw the images from the second steve barron movie. thank you. thats new to me and i thought i'd seen everything at this point!

[@MoeMalikPortfolio]

As much as people hate on the 2nd and 3rd movie. All 3 of them have been the best Turtle movies, along with the animated one from 2007, which so badly needed a sequel.

[@bowserbreaker2515]

People complain so much about the Secret of the Ooze, but I really like it. It felt like the cartoon, and the set design was still good.

[@jahijohnson3595]

Thank you for the walk down memory lane 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 great video.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@MrGrombie]

As a kid in the 90s, I loved Secret of the Ooze. As an adult in the 20s, the first is now my favorite. Even if Ooze was my first love. SUBURBAN COMMANDO! COMING THIS SUMMER! ALSO! JOING THE BK KIDS CLUB! If you know.... You know.

[@FluxExplorer]

One of the most underrated aspects of the OG is it had fantastic pacing. It was a bit of a slow burn by today’s standards. Plenty of storytelling and ‘down time’ building characters and relationships in between action scenes. It might be the perfect comic book film, honestly.

[@nickynegron3515]

As a guy who grew up with the original movie trilogy and watched Next Mutation as it aired on TV, I personally thought Next Mutation brought a new element to TMNT that the movies could have used to bolster future endeavors. Plus Venus was a great character

[@jonathan10597]

I still really enjoyed Secrets of the Ooze and it’s absolutely hilarious, but I do agree that the parent’s backlash to the first movie was totally overblown and they shouldn’t have felt they had to change it for them

[@yugiohwarduelist999]

I can't wait for the Last Ronin to come out. It already has been given a Rated R rating.

[@evaristomartinez5338]

So those movies is like star wars and the karate kid the classical ones ninja turtles movie and Mortal kombat yes sir indeed i love them so much so awesome yes sir❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@manof1000voices]

Evil April’s got a honkin’ pair, amirite fellas?!?!? *high fives*

[@Datboistrick]

No lie I still love the original movie one of my favorite movies of all time that scene when leo was watching Raphael in tub hit deep

[@doro626]

Imagine my surprise when I eventually heard teh original comic story line and realized 1990s move was probably the most faithful comic book adaptation ever.

[@d.costello281]

That would of been a nice 4th film with the different mutations etc. Maybe they can make a new film similar to that with the new ninja turtles movies that have megan fox as april oneil in it. They already made them very different in those films so it would not be that large of a jump.

[@pieseasmyseas]

My teacher was a background extra in the dance scene at the end.

[@acethemainman5299]

Keep the animated one from the kids and the more serious, darker tone for the true older fans

[@mb-pc3zn]

When I was 10 years old I played the 1990 film so much my VHS tape popped 😢

[@chasedwards9626]

@4:28 your choice of this clip while remarking about his drug possession charge is much appreciated.😂

[@leonduncan3327]

Ah man i watched the first movie all the time even how funny it was. Leo: I never said i was your great leader! Raph: Well you sure act like it sometimes! Leo: Oh yeah? Well you're acting like a jerk sometimes you know that? 🤣🤣

[@HelzHeli313]

As a kid.. I loved all three of the films.. Saw them again as a adult.. Still loved all three of em.. But the firat one is the best.. Saw that when i was 4

[@ThomasChurchill3]

That Hallmark Channel pitch just sounded sad tbh. There is no way that would have worked.

[@timeknowsfilmsproductions978]

I think American Ninja was what started the Ninja craze. I was a HUGE Ninja fan as a kid, and watched American Ninja about 100x’s. Enter the Ninja was actually a lower budget film that didn’t receive a theatre release.

[@Jacob-nu4nd]

I would say, Enter the Dragon and Bruce Lee made martial arts super popular. Then the release of karate kid in 84. Never actually heard of enter the ninja.

[@TheChronicFiend]

As a kid i knew the first movie was a sucess...so it was bizzare for me to see the quality of movies go downhill soo fast...

[@SwKinfinite]

Raphael was the only Turtle that actually spoke and acted like a New Yorker

[@KTKZon58]

That part with the suit performers touching foreheads is too precious💚

[@liamramjean8542]

Out of all the difference version of TNMT, the first Tmnt film is and has always remained the best film, its a master piece 🙌

[@liamramjean8542]

Do you think that their will ever be a TMNT remake like the first ?

[@Ryuken126]

Hold up. How are you gonna say TMNT2 wasn’t a very good kids movie? I wore the tape out of my VHS from watching that movie so much as a kid.

[@jaysgamingcorner8539]

Thankfully the Turtles franchise continued with some pretty cool animated shows. The 2003(I think) version and the 2012 NICK version are both worthy, imo. Awesome video

[@aaqibrawat3863]

Great video. Knocked it out of the park.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Much appreciated!

[@Drew-vz8lf]

Fun Fact: In Europe, the franchise was called Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles.

[@minicle426]

The TMNT fandom always seems to be at each others throats in regards to whether the franchise should be darker or lighter.

[@williamm7668]

I loved all 3

[@nicks4802]

I don’t have a problem with more turtles in the group, I just want them to do them correctly. They have to have a unique colour, weapon, and personality. A dark green/brown turtle clad in a white bandana, wielding a kusarigama. Its gotta be something good like that. Something AUTHENTIC.

[@ChiefUso]

The first TMNT is still an all time classic.

[@andrewblanchard2398]

03:05 that scene would've ruined the impact of seeing the SHREDDER the whole mystery of him would've been taken away

[@OLCtv]

2 was a great movie...saw that 1 first and probably why it's still ny favorite but I still love the first.

[@Gellus-C]

They can’t make movies like TMNT 1-2 90s films anymore.

[@famousvoiceimitator]

The original live version is a lot better than the fully computerised versions. If anymore movies about the TMNT are to make it onto the screen, then they should be produced the same way as the original one. Otherwise they don’t look as interesting or realistic. And it’s much better to see real action than digitally made versions. I didn’t watch the 100% digital versions at all.

[@stefanpp1155]

Ok, no matter how bad "Secret of the Ooze" was, it still did give us the gift of the goddamn "Ninja Turtle Rap"!

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

🙌

[@BG-yz7hh]

Go ninja go ninja go

[@TheVoiceofTheProphetElizer]

I know I'm probably in the minority here, but the 2nd movie is still my favorite. From the opening fight in the mall to Vanilla Ice showing up at the end - that film will forever live in my mind as my favorite. I saw the first movie a while after the 2nd one, not by my choice, but I was too young to make my own movie decisions at the time.

[@xXrosariXx]

That live action concert was lit. Don’t let anyone tell you different.

[@SuperiorSuit]

This is still one my favorite movies today it blends the 1987s Turtles perfectly with the dark comics if this movie came out today I like mutant mayhem but I just didn't like the direction with like the Anime fan Donetello and others

[@cinemaarts8795]

I would LOVE to have a new blu ray or 4K release of TMNT (1990), with all the deleted scenes and a new compressive documentary on the making of the film!

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Same here

[@NobleRaider2747]

We actually did end up getting a 4th film... in the form of TMNT 2007

[@dustins_gram]

"GO NINJA, GO NINJA, GO NINJA, GO!"

[@halfsquatched6046]

NY is turning into this again. Jason takes Manhattan style

[@chuckliquor3663]

If the first film is really about teenagers, and the second film was about mutants, and the third film was about ninjas, it only stands to reason that the fourth film should be about turtles.

[@mre4u422]

there was a fifth turtle at one time, a female turtle if you can believe it. She didn't last long but that just goes to show that we don't need a fifth turtle.

[@Georgeandthemanintheyellowhat]

Really look forward to your videos and get a little anxious when they're "late" 😅😂😂.

[@Bulletsandblockbusters]

Haha thanks

[@chungdha]

Release the Steve Baron cut!

[@josray2557]

They just need to let Weta come in and do a reboot that takes place in the 90s in context. Looks very close to the 1st film but like a 2.0. Keep it somewhat serious and dark and just indulge. Perhaps bring in some other iconic mutants and rationalize them the exact same way they did the turtles. We've come sooo far with prosthetics and mixing CGI for moments that actors cannot cross. Start it now by 2026 we'll be at the movies.

[@HerbCoswellBornAgain]

This movie sounds like it wouldve been freaking awesome. I heard rumors that they were going to do a fourth movie of this specific Ninja Turtles franchise that would loosely adapt the Last Ronin. I hope that's true, because I would absolutely love that. As well as to use elements from that Foot Walks Again script.

[@evaristomartinez5338]

So awesome that time so original i love it very much was my favorite movies like X-men so awesome ❤❤❤❤❤