What Do Deleuze and Guattari Mean by 'Becoming-Animal'? (vs. Plato, Carl Jung, and James Hillman)

[@RupturedGrid]

Love the music and aesthetic of this vid combined with the clear explanation. Great job!

[@longbongbigdongbonkey_kong]

I am intrigued at the possible overlap with Chaos Magick and the works of Peter Carrol, Phil Hine and Robert Anton Wilson.

[@Xanaduum]

Me too, I'm beginning to write about that in my own work. Choronzon and Lacan's real for example, as well as the Sephirot. Seems like a lot of it maps onto psychology in a way Carl Jung said about Alchemy.

[@graviere604]

You would be then interested in the work of Fisher and Lee, especially the latter's attempt to link DeGua with Austin Osman Spare. AOS in one of his books mention his view on Egyptian animal-oriented aesthetics and mysticism, highlighting the fact that man holds the multitude of the animal kingdom. I also remember an Islamic illustration showing Adam (maybe Adam Ruhani or Adam Kadmon) riding an elephant, he and the elephant were composed of many animals of land, air and seas, with also the devil, hiding in the middle of it.

[@thenowchurch6419]

There is plenty overlap as Crowley's work encompassed all these concepts and anti-concepts a long time ago. Wilson is pretty representative of a true Thelemite, in my estimation. The others you listed are doing their own thing and not orthodox Thelema.

[@mandys1505]

at 8:14 > yes! theraputic cultures depoliticized - by locating the origin of the problem inside the personal pathology, ie psychoanalysis , and no longer locate the origin for the symptom outside of the subject in the political sphere

[@Shade-Spark]

I ignored they had jumped straight into this subject; I had seen and learned it from various influences in decolonialism, eco and xenofeminism, alienism, inhumanism etc... but Deleuze and Guattari have once again already thought of everything it seems lol, no wonder such an aura of the End Boss of philosophy Deleuze has acquired, and I had "felt" that since the first time I heard about Haraway too, her big subject always comes down to this eventually. It all seems to come down to reclaim the non-human in some way or another, to escape "humanisation", as we've always been the "others" denied assimilating into the human mainframe, but in the same time constantly demanded to and given some occasions to. What's particularly interesting is to extend the notion of "others" way further than autistic nerds circlejerking to postmodern stuff regarding the masses; but first to all the masses regarding the bourgeoisie, then to all humans regarding all beings, and then all beings regarding the fundamental physical environment of life. "Not assimilating" means saving the self, the egotistic and elitist part, to include it into a bigger frame of harmony with other selves; level one metaphor of fusing the "elitist jerk/neoliberal self" VS "soulless normie/dissolved being" dialectics, and the white masculine construct of elitism/experimentalism/intellectualism/subculture/alternative aesthetics. With that metaphor, the One and the Subject is the primal eschatologic enemy, but it can be replaced by the current aliens, robots and animals we are, and it gives us the agency to replicate the past domination or not, so there's no inherent bad essence of the One/subject/dominant vs the other/object/dominated, it's about becoming a One that doesn't imperialize the Others so both categories are fused eventually.

[@foxzs]

Awesome editing and loved the reference to Jung!

[@frippp66]

woofwoofwoof

[@pyjonyr5029]

Your work helped me a great deal to begin becoming, much love. Also where can I find the video of the two dancers at 14:43?

[@AcidHorizon]

It’s a piece of stock footage from Motion Array.

[@ShadinCore]

before the video: i am going to become the joker now: i am becoming-joker-animal

[@00oo00XDD]

Quick Question: Is the representation which Deleuze talks about equatable with the notion of identity?

[@AcidHorizon]

generally speaking, yes.

[@vickydestephano7415]

Yes..on it has disrupted politics, entered into them and reframes reality.

[@shiretsu]

Well I certainly got more out of that than the average deleuze interpretation, so for that you’ve done an amazing job. Still sitting at a 10% absorption rate LOL I’ll take it

[@Emmanuel-gl1de]

yeah i wished he provided the full text of the video to help

[@xyxyxyksxyxyxy]

'O fantasma' is a Portuguese film I think resonates with this concept? The main character seems to become or progress in his own state of being. Like at the beginning, he was basically best friends with a dog and as the movie goes on I could see how he was like a dog or wolf too, but gay. And he was living in a place where being gay seemed to be outlawed at the time, so it's like he was being treated as an animal for under the assumption of one identity but also 'became' an animal in the sense of freedom from being a tamed human

[@TheJayman213]

I have a copy of your Tarot. However, the explanatory entry for James Baldwin is missing 😯

[@joshuaguiness946]

fantastic stuff

[@manso306]

I wonder why I can't jump back within your videos like I usually do. Like, I've set the interval to 5 seconds -- because I often find myself skipping back whenever I didn't catch something for whatever reason in all kinds of videos -- and usually when I listen to / watch something, and I realize I want to jump back a sentence, I'll get it right first try, sometimes second try. Meaning I'll e.g. jump back twice (10 seconds) and catch the end of the last sentence and then hear what I missed before. Sometimes when it doesn't work first-try, it seems to be due to videos being cut up into 5 second chunks beforehand (maybe server-side, maybe when loading on my device, doesn't matter), so jumping back twice won't actually be (5+5) 10 seconds, but 7 or 8 seconds or whatever. Now, in your videos, I consistently find the pre-defined "chunks" to feel kinda weird. Like, maybe first time round it's that I need a few seconds to process that I didn't grok "libidinally charged" just now and zoned out during the following phrases, so I've lost track of time within those few seconds it took me to process that, so I misjudge my first jump back. (E.g. jumping back 5 seconds when I should have done 15 seconds.) But even after I've already listened to a phrase or sentence and gone back a few times (maybe because I'm trying to work out where I lost a thread or which word or phrase is actually the one giving me difficulty), it doesn't get better. I'll listen for what feels *consistently* like less than 10 seconds, try to jump back twice, which turns out to not be enough, so I jump back another time, and I'm at the same point where I was just now (after 2 steps back), so I try again to jump back once, still ending up at the same timestamp where I just was, so I try to jump back twice again, and suddenly I'm too far back - like an entire sentence before the one I didn't understand. It's like the pre-defined 5-second-chunks I mentioned above are all weird in the case of your videos -- like not actually 5 seconds, but anywhere from 2 to 9 seconds or whatever. I mean, probably it's just that time feels weird listening to this, but anyway it's kinda annoying and spooking me a lil bit.

[@AcidHorizon]

Sorry to hear that; not sure if we can calibrate differently in any case. If the video were in quick time or something it might work better...

[@manso306]

@@AcidHorizonOh it's ok, the effort of porting it to another player wouldn't be worth the trouble. And since it's algorithmically determined where you can skip, my guess is that it's really just my perception of time that gets weird when engaging with this kind of stuff where I have to search my mental spaces more than usual, or rather in unfamiliar places (my "intellectual" interests are usually science-oriented), in order to achieve some semblance of understanding.

[@federicoTM]

A often problematic area in philosopy intervenes when different ways to built process of thinking and knowing are put in the same abstract contest linked apparently by the same issue put in challenge them . In realty every autentic high philosopher has its own original.or unique way to built a concept . I am just mentioning off course "Deleuze theory of philosopy " . So the genial misterious concept of archetipes of Jung are not comparables at all with the original process of deleuzian and guattarian being animal . But instead there are more prosperity ways to assume and accept that appatently similar issue answering to a different plane of knowing and structure the realty . Further a dream about woolfs doesn' t necesserly activate a locked symbol , a fixed meaning . The contest , the sequence , the emotions and alive reactions of the dreamer , the movement or chains of signes inside the dream text can open to a new unconscious forces that the plane of the subject is expressing . Not a fixed symbol . . Jung was not a rationalistic philosopher or devoted to a scienticism , or a dogmatic servant of a blocked systema at the contrary . The junghian today psichoanalistas very probably yes !

[@shazaaaaaam]

have yall read Being and Swine

[@AI-Hallucination]

Lol the bird

[@barelyillegal79]

Wasn't this a Three Day's Grace song? Give credit where it's due.

[@PirateRadioPodcasts]

Uggghhhh - Does the HUMAN EGO need any MORE fuelling? Seriously.

[@DrewShotwell]

Rats rats - we are the rats

[@lvl99paint]

we prey at night we stalk at night

[@domka3422]

UwU

[@DarthVagen]

consider that we treat each other like we treat non human animals. go vegan.

[@Nilnaberius6727]

Frank zappa on mental health as politics... alot of the encampments for college leftist movements did seem to be dystopian woodstock-

[@Nilnaberius6727]

Check out cj cala's "when schizophernic rats rain"

[@Epsomgwtfbbq]

becoming-recommender

[@manso306]

According to Laurie (2015) those who read D&G may be least well suited to becoming-animal.

[@derekdey6008]

The idea that there is no subject other than becoming conflates the notion of Psycho-Social development. Likewise, if you stumble upon the term archetype you stumble into the transperson where archetypes are rooted. Then linguistics is an intellectual pursuit whereas the Self is a transpersonal issue where the Soul abides in the subconscious and subconscious factors are emotional concerns primarily, where such ideas are passed on to the secondary functions of intellect and consciousness, which then begins to process such material. 'Becomming animal' definitely needs a lot of explanation but I don't see that emerging here.

[@st6ph6n28]

"bondage of life under capitalism" 😂 try the bondage of life in a gulag 👌🏻

[@reeseriley225]

only in political representation does the critique of capitalism require a totalitarian communist state ~ you don’t owe this binary anything ^_*

[@dpd420]

No one ever mentioned a gulag? Youre saying capitalism doesnt hold people under bondage?

[@halguy5745]

wagie wagie get back in the cagie

[@eleaticeyes813]

I would pay good money to have this fake, plastic voiceover removed, and the AI-esque script redone to sound like a human wrote it.