What do we do with fear? | J. Krishnamurti

[@nobodysout]

Who's fear is it? Is it not the fear of the unknown if I realized I am nothing other than consciousness thinking itself to be a fabricated idea... Who would really care as long as I don't? I can still accept this process happens. I can still relate to other consciousness that I already know I don't know which allows for beings with what is

[@nawibh4749]

Step by step 😊

[@SomewhereInside]

I am facing an operation first one in my lifetime, I am doo doo scared 😮…have to decide very soon whether to have it or risk my life , the operation has risks also , I feel like I am choosing between two losing hands. These words were very apt . I run away from what causes me fear always have , but I have reached the cliff , wild dogs behind me , a hundred metre drop into the ocean below .

[@tooshallpass]

Praying and rooting for you, my dearest friend.

[@manupi17]

Use it❤

[@ishapattanashettar9504]

“ what might happen is our projections “

[@baturoztunc]

To survive!

[@rightplaceeverything464]

I am feeling. Ask me to give up any feeling and what I believe I am dies.

[@afsaneeeyousefii5105]

♥️♥️♥️♥️💎👌🙌

[@Mirace9]

Bizi korkutan bir şeyi düşündüğümüzde öncelikle gözümüzün önüne onunla ilgili bir resim, imge gelir. Bütün psikolojik korkular, zihindeki imgelerden doğar. Hayal etmek ne demek hepimiz biliyoruz. Zihnimizde arzu ettiğimiz bir şeyin görüntüsünü yaratıyoruz. İmgeden arzu doğuyor. O görüntüyü gözümüzün önüne defalarca getirebiliriz. Her defasında arzu doğar. Bu, düşüncenin hareketidir. Düşünce bu hareketi korku için de yapıyor. Bir şey görüyor ya da duyuyorum. Zihinde onun görüntüsü oluşuyor ve korku doğuyor. Sevdiği birini kaybeden insanları görüyorum. Kendimi o şekilde hayal ediyorum. Böylece imge oluşuyor ve korku doğuyor. Bu imge- duygu (korku), beyin hücresinde durdukça korku var. Eğer küçük bir çocukken bir şey duyduysam, gördüysem, bu hafızamda imge- duygu oluşturduysa, bir hayat boyu o şeyden korkarım. Korku bütün hayatımı şekillendirir. Arzu duyduğum bir şeyi hayal ettiğimde o görüntünün farkındayım. Onun hayal olduğunun farkındayım. Korkunun da böyle doğduğu gözlenebilir mi? Korku nasıl doğdu: Duyma, görme veya okuma, öğüt, deneyim ile belleğe kayıt olan bilgi, bu kayıttan doğan imge-duygu. Gerçek korku var. Bu korku, olay anında yaşanır ve biter. Olurken, bu korku denmez. Bütün beden alarm durumundadır. Psikolojik korku ise hafızadaki imgelere bağlı, zihinde yaşanıyor. İmge her gözün önüne geldiğinde korku tekrar tekrar yaşanıyor ve geleceğe aktarılıyor. Korkunun nasıl doğduğu izlenirse korku biter. Korku yaratan imge dikkatle gözlenirse korku biter. Korku yaratan imgeler gözümüzün önüne geldiğinde hemen o görüntüyü silmek isteriz. Fakat o resme, imgeye dikkatle, düşüncenin müdahalesi olmadan bakarsak imge dağılır. Biz imgelerin değil korku adını verdiğimiz duygunun farkındayız. Duyguya düşünce baktığı için onu tanıyor, kaçmak istiyor. Duygu ortaya çıktığında o duyguyu tanıma varsa bakan düşüncedir. Tanıdı çünkü onu düşünce yarattı. Düşünce hafızadaki bilginin etkileşiminden doğar. Bunu fark ettiğinde düşünceyi fark ettin. Düşünceyi fark ettiğinde onun hareketleri bir sorun değil. Gözleme müdahale etmeye çalıştığında belli ki o düşünce. Bir odadaki televizyonun sesi seni rahatsız etmez. Biliyorsun ki o televizyon.

[@konradswart4069]

In this entire 'investigation', J. Krishnamurti makes the unconscious presupposition, that fear is something bad, something one must get rid of. And that is _a huge mistake!_ J. Krishnamurti shows several things we are supposed to be doing wit fear. Like avoiding it, suppressing it, or controlling it. There is one thing, however, he doesn't mention, which is the solution to fear. It does not end fear, but it can cause it not to be a problem. One can see one's fear as _a source of information,_ as _a power our nervous system has to warn for an impending danger, right or wrong!_ Which means, the fear can be warning you for a _real_ danger or for an _imagined_ danger. If it is a _real_ danger, it is a good thing that the fear is there, because it makes you think about ways to deal with that danger. And if it is an _imagined_ danger, one can also think about it, and then discover that this fear is not real. In both cases, one _embraces one's fear as something good! As a sign that our nervous system is doing something that helps us!_ This mistake, by the way, is a part of an even larger mistake that causes _all these so-called gurus to attract people to them!_ To me, _this speech he calls a dialogue, which it is not, proves that he is one of all the Gurus! No matter how many people are convinced he is not a guru, _*_he definitely is!_* The attraction many have to J. Krishnamurti, and all the rest of them, like Eckhart Tolle, or in the past, Osho Rajneesh in particular _is appealing to Hedonism!_ That is, to the belief that the 'purpose of our actions' consists of only two movements. Namely that of avoiding pain, or, in this case, eliminating pain by some 'mental transformation' called 'enlightenment' or that of seeking pleasure. Or, in general, that there is a 'better mental state' than we have. Although J. Krishnamurti speaks many times about pleasure and pain, fear and greed, he is _not aware_ that he basically makes an appeal to Hedonism, because his attraction is the 'belief' in 'enlightenment' (because others call him 'enligthened, even though he himself does not'). This 'enlightenment" is supposed to be a condition where one is totally in balance and at ease with oneself. And therefore this 'enlightenment' is 'this most superior mental state' one can be in! There is a totally different way to live. Instead of seeking balance, seeking peace of mind, or, heaven forbid, seeking _bliss!_ we can seek something entirely different. And that is _seeking to feel alive!_ And that happens when one sees _all the pain_ one can experience not only as _an inevitable part of life,_ but one can even _celebrate that one has, and _can have_ those experiences, because by allowing all experiences to happen, to *embrace them*,_ one sees _every experience as a human capability!_ Not only that. The power of realization, which is something deeper than experience, and which can also become a source of emotional pain, can also increase. (Experiences are mental states generated by our brains, showing us potential possibilities. Realizations are mental states of elimination, showing us potential impossibilities.) And when one realizes this fully, _one has freed oneself totally from _*_Hedonism,_*_ and you need _no Guru whatsoever anymore!_ Not even a J. Krishnamurti! The only kind of people you then might still seek out, is those who can teach you how to develop some part of yourself, so that you can have just _more_ experiences, and, to go further, being capable of _more realizations,_ and thus become, as a human being _more developed_ and move _to ever higher planes of development!_ Such a 'higher plane' is not something universal. They depend on the individual. Which means, one can reach a 'higher plane' of development in music, in painting, in sculpting, or even in the particular profession one is in, as long as 'the path' one has chosen to go is basically infinite. Which means that this 'path' should only satisfy one condition. Namely, that _there is no end point of that path!_ There is _no arrival_ at that path. Only ever more higher levels of development, wherein one's experiences become ever more extensive, and one's realizations become ever deeper! And when one does that, one has not gotten rid of any pain or discomfort, or even reduced it. No, _the opposite will happen!_ This is exactly _because_ one has grown more, and the intensities of the pains or fears one can feel is even _greater!_ than ever before. That is, a human being who is more developed can have more intense experiences of fear, and feel even _deeper and more pain!_ But this does not cause suffering, because one _embraces_ one's fears, one's pains as a power of one's own nervous system. Suffering only occurs when one _rejects_ fear or pain. But when one _embraces_ fear or pain, there is no more suffering! I think that J. Krishnamurti, although I believe that he was authentic in the sense that he believed he was doing something good, didn't know the term 'Hedonism', and therefore wasn't aware of this totally different way of living, called Eudaimonism. Or, if he knew the term, this speech shows that at least he didn't understand its full meaning. Therefore he was dangerous, because authentic people who believe that what they are doing is something good, but nevertheless cause harm, are the most dangerous people there are. In particular, J. Krishnamurti's speech suggests that fear is something negative. _Which it is not!_ _Fear is one of our capabilities!_ If one succeeds to 'free' oneself of fear, one has succeeded to 'free' oneself from life itself. And then _one is dead!_

[@VetterStarksack]

You didn‘t get it. He talked about what we usually do with fear. The rest was made up by you and not contained in the talk :-)