What does “chumocracy” cost the UK? | The New Statesman podcast

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@NewStatesman 10 ай бұрын

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@rudyb89 10 ай бұрын

I wish we'd normalise using 'corruption' instead of these euphemisms like 'chumocracy' and 'cronyism'. Truth is a complete defence against a claim of libel...

@riccagiaco 10 ай бұрын

No pal, my take is that is it all rooted in the class system. There’s always someone who is better than you (unless you’re King) and, most importantly, someone who is worse. So it goes that it might be bad here, BUT still better than the other countries. AND the use of certain words is paramount: Italy=corrupted UK=sleaze for example, or even better, people coming here, effing immigrants, Brits abroad, expats. Makes sense?

@folknboat69 10 ай бұрын

It is called CORRUPTION.

@DBGE001 10 ай бұрын

What went wrong with the British Sewage system? Answer: it is privatized. What went wrong with the British Railway? Answer: it is privatized. What went wrong with the British Postal Service? Answer: it is privatized. What went wrong with the British Energy providers? Answer: it is privatized. What is going on with the failing NHS? It is being privatized. Were are the profits of the privatized British Oil and Gas? Answer: they are going into the pockets of wealthy businessmen (see how Norway did that). Why are the enormous leaks in the British drink water network not fixed and grew to 1 trillion liters of lost drinking water in England and Wales via leaky pipes? Answer: it is privatized. Someone with half a brain would almost recognize a trend here. How did the average British eligible voter not see that trend? The Tories were voted in in 2010, again in 2015, again in 2017 and again in 2019. What is wrong with the cognitive capacity of the average British voter?

@Shiniiiiiii 10 ай бұрын

Yeah its depressing, the masses will always just vote for the easiest slogans and will in the end vote for essentially a punch in the face because they will never understand that everything is being chipped away. I can't blame some since they don't have the time to mentally process this, easier to just start yelling "STOP THE BOATS!!!!!!!!!"

@khar12d8 10 ай бұрын

Yeah remember when industries were nationalised and there were never any problems... Try Googling the Aberfan diastaer. Why don't you have a look at the South African nationalised electricity industry right now. Blackouts. I am not saying there isn't a case for public ownership in some areas but please don't try and argue nationalised industries are automatically better, because there's plenty of evidence to suggest otherwise. It's left wing populism.

@khar12d8 10 ай бұрын

@iiiii The problem is we have too many old people and they keep on living but try winning an election while telling that truth. The NHS costs a fortune compared to 30 plus years ago because medical technology and medicine has improved so much that the NHS has to spend more and more on keeping people alive, in the past people would have just died. We spend way more on the NHS today and less on defence compared to in the postwar 20th Century. So the left wing desire for fewer guns and more butter, we've already got more butter and fewer guns than at anytime since 1945. We were spending 4% of GDP on defence in the 1980s, and more than double that around the 1950s. Now we spend just over 2%. The NHS takes up more of our economy than ever before in history. Plus, we spend a fortune on state pensions. If things are being chipped away for working age people, and on top of that tax levels are at historic highs, it is because of our ageing society and the "right" for old people to rely on the state. In some countries old people move in with their kids to survive, in Britain the state subsidies them to stay in their house worth several hundreds of thousands of pounds. So then house prices for upcoming families are even more expensive because you have a 90 year old living in a 4 bed detached house. Demography is destiny. There is no conspiracy.

@mrsulzer66 10 ай бұрын

I agree totally. Part of the answer is voting apathy, especially amongst the under 40s. Mandatory voting should be phased in. I’m pretty sure the Tories would not have had it so easy over the previous decades, they have relied on the Sea of Grey to vote them in.

@jamesparke6252 10 ай бұрын

Only the English voted Tory...

@FarmerGwyn 10 ай бұрын

There's £55bn gone missing, of course it's corruption

@IndustrialBonecraft 10 ай бұрын

Well, we had an, albeit shortlived, Prime Minister who was basically constructed by libertarian think tanks connected to other libertarian think tanks, the funders of which are broadly unknown. So short of putting Peter Thiel in the chair, I don't know how much further we need to go...

@tonyaustin4472 10 ай бұрын

As a civil servant for 50 years from the 1960’s onwards! one absolutely essential requirement is NO MORE folk from the private sector being transferred to the Civil Service. That has been an insidious ongoing factor in reducing the moral and ethical standards that have in the past acted against the appalling chumocracy that has cost the public purse untold billions of pounds and infected virtually every government department. I have met many of these private sector/civil servants and on the whole they’ve been a pretty poor lot…with admittedly a few exceptionably able individuals. I know this sounds outrageously generalising but the vast majority have great networking abilities but piss poor in the actual skills in achieving results….at the end of the day the service has been really damaged by a terrible decade or more of frankly useless Prime Ministers and a Tory Party dedicated to transferring public money to their friends in the private sector. God knows what the books are going to say when Keir gets into Downing Street…I don’t envy his and Chancellors task of restoring honesty and credibility to Government. I’d like to see people being prosecuted and sentenced to prison time in order to finally setting a seal on the complete mess the last 14 years have been.

@Teasehirt 10 ай бұрын

We need more scrutiny over public money not jus at a National Level but also on the Local Level.

@DINOROAR2912 10 ай бұрын

Nobody calls it a Chumocrocy, its corruption or cronyism at the minimum

@billkingston4402 10 ай бұрын

Yes, very corrupt 😔

@catherinemartin6258 10 ай бұрын

The hole system is rotten from top to bottom and I’m sick of it .

@gailhill5734 10 ай бұрын

Everything about our political system stinks and is rotten to the core. In Germany all local authorities / states still have direct work force that maintain roads, services, buses, building's, waste etc. No money lost to the pockets of corrupt politicians or business owners. Probably some loss due to inefficiency and bureaucracy but i would suspect nowhere near the levels lost in UK. In addition everything gets done properly and local politicians ARE accountable.

@fToo 10 ай бұрын

you should have Harry do more podcasts

@stevecoppin6396 10 ай бұрын

have they never heard of penalty clauses ?

@andybrice2711 10 ай бұрын

It's bewildering how often I here a story which goes like: _"Government hires company to provide service. Company completely fails to provide service. Government has to pay company anyway."_ Isn't it like a basic principle of all business that you expect to get the thing you paid for?

@euanthomas3423 10 ай бұрын

Excellent, informative analysis.

@anthonybrown4874 10 ай бұрын

You would hope there would be a bipartisan standards body overseeing whether vested interest should rule out individuals from lobbying or being part of the decision making process in which they have interests which may sway them in making decisions. Certainly our recent grubby PMs have turned the lords and honours system into a mates club.

@andybrice2711 10 ай бұрын

That actually seems like a pretty good idea. Though it could probably used by the opposition to sabotage government projects. So it would have to be structured very carefully.

@anthonybrown4874 10 ай бұрын

@andybrice2711 They need to do something that is transparent and the public can trust, tha commons standards committee do not seem enabled to intervene in any meaningful way. I appreciate what the Lords is there to do but it does not need hereditary peers to do it neither does it need young girls that Boris quite likes or Russian influence and as for Truss I wouldn't trust her to pick lottery numbers.

@johnmurdock3591 10 ай бұрын

UK’s corruption is high level which makes it worse and it’s dressed up with the best PR and legal team. They don’t call it corruption which what it is!

@colincampbell4261 10 ай бұрын

City of London

@musicmikemn 10 ай бұрын

Adding onto the studies from Oxford about IT projects going over time and budget, this happens because people fundamentally don't understand how to successfully implement any tech and naturally treat it like a construction or manufacturing process instead of a design one.

@LouieSapcote-vy5xl 10 ай бұрын

Vote Labour.

@stephenconrathe7197 10 ай бұрын

Having been very closely involved with an outsourcing at a County Council in 2002/3, I can tell you that it proceeded because of tory political dogma, the chief financial officer refusing to certify it as offering value for money. This is one example of why privatisation has proved to be an expensive option in so many cases

@winnisnov 10 ай бұрын

Is there no such thing as ‘fixed price contracts’ with penalties if the contract is not fulfilled on time? Contracts would start at a higher cost but the government would be able to plan and not get hit with spiralling costs. A company could be declared bankrupt but this should just make the procurement process more vigorous (taking out an insurance 🤷🏻 all adding to the cost but again a finite cost that can be planned for). Are we saying a politician are unable to get fair deals. To coin an old, phrase they were so happy with, ‘We hold all the cards’. This was shown to be very wide of the mark, but when giving out contract the government surely hold a lot of the cards!

@ianwoodall4523 10 ай бұрын

I'm sorry this is rot. The Tories suspended basic procurement. They knew what they were doing.

@simonjones4855 10 ай бұрын

Suspended basic procurement of what?

@stevecoppin6396 10 ай бұрын

where is the track and trace money ? £37,000,000,000 for some cotton buds and a phone app ???

@Jessjoe1956 10 ай бұрын

Infosys awarded massive government contracts, owned by Sunaks father in law, Sunaks wife,Murthy, as a share holder is set to make £ millions. As part of the Indian trade deal Sunak is shilling for will see huge immigration from India to the UK, Modi has made that clear as one of the conditions of the deal. Strange how 30p Anderson is not barking about this.

@keithdonnelly8636 10 ай бұрын

There appears to be no recognition of British companies trying to contact hmg offering to produce PPE but couldn't make contact at all

@alan2007-x8x 10 ай бұрын

Yes. Next question.

@keithdonnelly8636 10 ай бұрын

Why when negotiating a contract for a project are hard costs and finishing dates baked in?

@gerryparker7699 10 ай бұрын

Distrust of politicians is healthy and politicians need to be transparent about links and vested interests to reduce this. Therefor a reliable, independent (of politicians) data collection and reporting service is crucial. Let's be honest if politicians do not put in place a well resourced body to do this it shows they are intent on corruption.

@stewartjones2173 10 ай бұрын

Do squirrels squirt in the shrubbery?

@martincheeseman5809 10 ай бұрын

The tories have moved so far right it’s worrying , I think I can’t vote for them!

@MuyiwaOki 9 ай бұрын

What was the paper/ report on IT procurement that outline why it always takes to damn long?

@ArodWinterbornSteed 10 ай бұрын

All elephants are big, the point of that story is not that white elephants are unusually large

@David_Camerwrongun 10 ай бұрын

If you need ask the answer is already yes

@brianarmstrong3731 10 ай бұрын

This video reinforces all I've ever thought about "project management" being a made up thing and not really necessary. Just get the real experts (software engineers in my case, proper engineers in the case of HS2 etc) in the room and giving their honest opinions. Consultants are just middle men who hoover up money, something amply shown by Dido Harding's track and trace where £32bn was spent on a system which never worked, made no difference during the pandemic and could have been bought "off the shelf" from Germany for £1m.....

@ianfraser6161 10 ай бұрын

Yes

@malcolmfraser7939 10 ай бұрын

£ 3, 836, 812,340 State has paid for goods and services. There is no suggestion he has done anything wrong . He's a venture capitalist , he has a lot of interests in a lot of companies ... Potentially open to a conflict of interest . It is worth asking if this appropriate ... 180,000 different contracts , awards of ... grants ...loans ... Called the future fund. A lot of loans have gone to Sofacat.. A software company . Is this appropriate for a parliamentarian. .. Would it be sensible to have more transparency I could go on.....but We have to draw the line.....are we a first world economy or a corrupt also ran. It is good we have checks ... The true argument is were does are all his profits invested. Most probably in the US , where all investors are putting their profits.

@laurenceskinnerton73 10 ай бұрын

All is corruption.

@martinsepion 10 ай бұрын

Is Britain really less corrupt than other countries? Really?

@blazzz13 10 ай бұрын

They used to try and hide it. But since Johnson, it's been open season. Even Major's government wasn't this corrupt.

@maverickkhan2718 10 ай бұрын

Chumocracy is prevailnt every where.Even in private sector, chums who can gather around a particular table get rewarded. Why is british productivty lagging? Where is all the innovation ?

@graemewoodhead9469 10 ай бұрын

Re transparency, what with all the new AI tools appearing (in particular LLMs and GPTs) it should soon be pretty easy to see all of what's going on (provided Labour continue the push to reveal the ultimate beneficial owners of companies). The same tools should eventually make all kinds of hitherto hidden networks relatively easy to spot simply by feeding in a ton of financial/legal records.

@FRU.No.1 10 ай бұрын

Yes..next question.

@khar12d8 10 ай бұрын

This stuff is as old as the hills. Watch Our Friends in the North from the 1990s and it's criticising Labour "chumocracy" in the NE from the postwar era in the first series.

@unclvinny 10 ай бұрын

It's always an arms race between human nature and the rule of law.

@buchanfoulsham6314 10 ай бұрын

@@unclvinnyWell put.

@MrDeadhead1952 10 ай бұрын

It's unfortunate that HS2 is being discussed in this context given the number of special circumstances which contributed to the massive price increase on the Project none of which can be laid at the door 'Chumocracy' when the causes are much more complicated but more related to unrealistic expectations and additional costs to placate nimbies.

@DBGE001 10 ай бұрын

Have a look at the Princes of the Yen, to get some insight in how to grow an economy starting from essentially rubble. Also a basic understanding of Modern Money theory is helpful.

@andrewrose7800 10 ай бұрын

Can't wait...must be pretty chilly up on the morel high ground.

@faffer1073 10 ай бұрын

Next episode: Do bears sh*t in the woods?

@seriousoldman8997 10 ай бұрын

Can ursine faecal matter be found on arboreal floors?

@gregarmstrong1670 10 ай бұрын

Indubitably

@markendicott6874 10 ай бұрын

Yes.

@pmcgktr 10 ай бұрын

Is water wet?

@jtrevm 10 ай бұрын

Harry; Will. Use the words available to start with - those that apply now. NOLAN. It seems that that breach is clear . You can say this up front. Sod chums. Breach is clear. Name them. No need for suspicion. eg You can invite comment / defence from Lord N. They can say if their breach requires formal declaration or some self-referral to another agency. You can say that you in turn reserve the right to take further action.

@davidhardcastle-f9y 10 ай бұрын

Jail all involved with this CORRUPTION.

@colincampbell4261 10 ай бұрын

I think the answer is yes.

@johnchristmas7522 10 ай бұрын

TO THE CORE

@lesleynewman3399 10 ай бұрын

Well explained. Can I suggest you don't compare chumocracy/ corruption in UK with India or China but instead with a similar sized democratic country in Europe.

@colincampbell4261 10 ай бұрын

Italy? Turkey? Spain?

@fahmad7194 9 ай бұрын

Democracy? 🤔 Oh, you mean when you hold elections and let the voters choose a competent person as leader 😂

@Jury-m1c8k 10 ай бұрын

Do bears sh.......t in the woods.?

@nickinthefield4202 10 ай бұрын

Yes…

@geomac650 10 ай бұрын

By the left, quick groober

@louisburke8927 10 ай бұрын

How much does that guy smoke

@humbabellaglitchen1851 10 ай бұрын

A great dive into what's wrong with public procurement, but I think you got one thing badly wrong. I don't think big companies out negotiate civil servants - high salary is rarely an indicator of competence. Rather the who way a public procurement works ties the government's hands, doesn't allow the government to negotiate and forces them to make choices they may know aren't good. Just wait until Fujitsu puts in the lowest bid on the next post office IT system and the government is legally forced to choose them.

@heyhonpuds 10 ай бұрын

Does the pope wear a funny hat?

@mikedudley4062 10 ай бұрын

You're coming from a position of lack of knowledge and experience. Chumocracy is just a demonstration of that very issue. Procurement as a process properly to run a process takes between 6-8m for a process, and in the case of the pandemic, no health service would have waited that long in an emergency to wait for PPE as an example.... As a management consultant, I can tell you people do business with people. I've had multiple contracts for a number of reasons, I'm liked by my clients, I always deliver to my clients needs, and they know they can trust me in their businesses. This is a human trait, of service and performance, not a chumocracy which is just a lefty way of using inflammatory emotive language to belittle something they don't understand. The procurement process is and should be rigorous as a process no one person should have absolute power over that decision so it's not possible to give work to your mate's. In out-sourcing work, that is undertaken because internal costs and lack of capability or poor delivery, ends up with the work outsourced. By no little way that internal government services do have unsustainable high pensions that the private sector do not have, there's a 20% extra cost to the tax payer in a bloated civil service of ineffective and inefficiency. All in All the government and public services do a very poor job with the money they spend and I could give numbers of cases in evidence of that where incredibly poor performance has led to £10s millions wasted ongoing. I was on several calls for PPE and was horrified at the unprofessional chaos the NHS had conducted itself in the procurement process, the NHS is to blame for the PPE crisis.

@jh-oj7nb 10 ай бұрын

so speaks a man who swallowed a copy of the daily mail in the 1980's and hasnt opened his eyes since

@mikedudley4062 10 ай бұрын

@@jh-oj7nb oh course what else would you expect from the left, as Socrates once said, when the battle is lost slander is the tool of the loser....

@mikedudley4062 10 ай бұрын

Simple socialism strap lines normal play book of standard lines of putting people down rather than displaying intelligent and knowledge of a subject @@jh-oj7nb

@bigbarry8343 10 ай бұрын

Tata is associated with Sunak's family, as his mother in law worked there

@stevecoppin6396 10 ай бұрын

thatcher of course

@crayontom9687 10 ай бұрын

Only twenty years too late

@themanyogi 10 ай бұрын

Why give this video that title when you won't answer the question?

@tropics8407 10 ай бұрын

And you love and support this State 🤷‍♂️ You look to the government still to do things for you 🙄🤦‍♂️ Defund the government….how can it be anything else ?