What does DEADPOOL & WOLVERINE tell us about the greater multiverse?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

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[@MotherAlsaud]

I honestly don’t even care about the mcu anymore I had made a promise to myself that I wouldn’t spend anymore money on the films and not watch them The best thing they had going for them was kang aka Jonathan majors and for them to bring back this tired old man who also has a extensive criminal record is crazy Oh it’s ok for white people to get all the chances to be better and forgiven but people of color it’s a no go in Hollywood so racist Him being brought back is so lame tired and pathetic like they could have at least gotten a new actor but no they think this is gonna re energize the entire mcu and I can assure you it won’t The mcu had Wanda vision kang and her children this was the best thing about the new mcu but what did Kevin and Disney do Killed Wanda made the kids disappear but then keep stringing us along in the hopes we see them again It’s already been said that Joe Locke in the new Agatha show is her familiar and not actually Wiccan Wanda’s son as we had hoped and if that’s the case I ask you what’s the point of watching this show We didn’t ask for a spin-off of a less cool witch we wanted and still want more of Wanda Then making a vision show leaving Wanda behind it’s like the best parts of the mcu they just destroy it and then think we fans will stick around No thanks the mcu regardless of how much money the Deadpool movie makes is dead It’s boring the same writers the same directors the same story’s it’s just all boring 🙄

[@cocopuffs1013]

Hey @Abitofeverything4u I know it’s another channel, but Ryan from Screen Crush showed another theory on how the multiverse in the mcu works you should check it out he just dropped it today

[@Buffy8Fan]

I'm confused on the single tree theory concept of why the other universes wouldn't have existed before the end of Loki S2. The loom existed before that and chronologically they are before_Loki airs._ But that only leads to what universes are considered part of the Sacred Timeline and which ones aren't. So maybe this theory doesn't hold up more because the movies mentioned aren't on the Sacred Timeline more than anything else. I thought _Loki_ was done giving me a headache. But outside of that headache, my theory has always been about more than one tree, as well. This is how I see the universe issue: 1. 10005 is the FOX X-Men franchises universe, which is where _Deadpool and Wolverine_ starts and ends. 2. But the future moment at the beginning of the film takes place even further on (as Laura is older than in the _Logan_ movie before the TVA put her in the void) than Wolverine's death. I estimate this said openning scene is in 2032. 3. Once Wade settles in a rut/routine, it is March 2024 in the 10005 FOX X-Men timeline. 4. However, when the flashback shows him with Happy Hogan, that is the 616 universe. Deadpool uses the device Yukio and Magasonic Tennage Warhead fixed to jump universes to get there - unintentionally fixed to do this (as we also saw in the end credits of _Deadpool 2_ with Deadpool stopping Ryan Reynolds from playing Green Lantern - it's really the only way I can see it working; unintentional and what The TVA wanted). Deadpool and Happy's 616 scene takes place just before the snap in 2018. 5. The rest of the movie takes place out of time, in the void. The 2024 is The X-Men Universe. Not the Sacred Timeline universe, but watch order-wise it also has to happen after Loki S2E6. and coincide with the Council of Kangs end credit scene because that was a reference in _Loki_ S2E6 It's interesting. I always saw the council of Kangs being done and gathered by The TVA, as a line insinuated in the last episode of _Loki,_ which is why despite the loom break lasting until 2026, the fact that it happens out of time allows for me to place it at the beginning of Phase Four with the X-Men Franchise. The placement's been going back and forth, but I think I like where it is because _Loki_ takes place Out of Time and because the line in 2x06 states they catch all the Loki's, which can work with _Quantumania_ if you concider The Council of Kangs Mid Credit Screne to be out of time, as well. Considering Deadpool's ability to see everything in all universes, I would consider him not somebody who has the ability to universe jump without help from devices of some kind, but someone like K.E.V.I.N. who can see it all.

[@jackcapellini113]

So does the ending of Deadpool and Wolverine imply that the Westchester Incident and the events of Logan are no longer canon to the 10005 universe? Do they no longer exist on the timeline after Deadpool and Logan destroy the Time Ripper?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@cocopuffs1013 I love Screen Crush and thought it was a really good video. But I do still feel there are multiple trees for the reasons I mention in the vid, such as the numbering being confusing, incursions not making sense inside the tree, Waldron saying 838 wasn't "anchored" to 616, etc. If you haven't seen it, make sure to check out my "History of the Multiverse" video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYSQp2t9dpmKsMU. I tie together everything from the beginning of time to present day and mention over 30 different MCU films and shows.

[@MattPerk7]

I don't think a lot of people at Marvel care as much about this stuff as some of us do, so what ends up being the official answer might be disappointing or even frustrating. We just do the best we can until then though

[@trent5641]

This isnt Star Wars. They do care. Atleast the ones at the very top do. Just cuz they made mistakes during a pandemic doesnt mean they dont care

[@Kaweebo]

Unfortunately for the “many trees” theory, I genuinely think Marvel’s idea is the MCU is the beginning point of every other universe, from live-action X-Men, to the Spiderverse, to even paint universe. Best I can say to justify it is that the Reality Stone makes everything different

[@Axedroid]

I agree with what Matt said

[@el_m4ver1ck50]

It’s easier to understand this movie was never meant to move the multiverse needle instead more of a story inside the sandbox of the multiverse

[@Glitch-qj3nj]

They dobt have much time , its not gard science fiction

[@gbozzi05_]

That was the absolute best explanation about the two Wolverines problem. That’s probably the canon answer too.

[@jackcapellini113]

So does the ending of Deadpool and Wolverine imply that the Westchester Incident and the events of Logan are no longer canon to the 10005 universe? Do they no longer exist on the timeline after Deadpool and Logan destroy the Time Ripper?

[@gbozzi05_]

@@jackcapellini113 yep. Just like how Days of Future past erased the og trilogy, The Wolverine and the original Days of Future Past future, Deadpool & Wolverine technically erased The New Mutants (i say The New Mutants because I place it in 2026 on my timeline) and Logan.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks...yeah, I really like that theory. I hope that is indeed the direction Marvel goes!

[@bizzybrown8372]

I saw D&W twice and they actually do reaffirm there’s a difference between timelines and universes and as you demonstrated each universe has a main timeline loop with branches growing out of it.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Awesome!

[@Byronic19134]

The question is are the Universes on a different tree or not, I think the Universes are likely just the brain branches off the tree, while the timelines are the smaller ones where leaves sprout from.

[@bizzybrown8372]

@@Byronic19134 nah . Explain the stacked universes both Kang and He Who Remains showed us on seperate occasions?

[@bizzybrown8372]

@@Byronic19134 since He Who Remains is the administrator of the 616 it stands to reason we can trust his model of the multi-universe over speculation

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@Byronic19134 If you haven't seen it, check out my "History of the Multiverse" video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYSQp2t9dpmKsMU. It will answer alot of your great questions.

[@augustmyers339]

In an interview with The Official Marvel Podcast, Matthew Macfadyen said that at the beginning of the movie Paradox is in a “TVA Outpost”. To me that sounds like the TVA operates in 616 but has outposts scattered across different universes to make sure no new Kang’s pop up and universes decay properly. He starts talking around 8:40 in the 5th episode.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great point! Yes, it does seem like an outpost over in the Fox universe.

[@cosmicmaster1006]

@@AbitofEverything4U even in the film itself they say 10005 is Paradox's district so yea it seems to me that the central hub is looking after 616 and then there's different districts or outposts as August here says, for other earths.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@cosmicmaster1006 Well said!

[@augustchristiansen1988]

Just Watched Deadpool and Wolverine so now it's time to Marathon all your Deadpool and Wolverine Videos

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Niiiiice!

[@jk5kwastaken]

I really love your theory about anchor beings being metoforical for the studios

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, that just makes so much sense to me!

[@nuvjoti]

I'd love to see a video revisiting the infamous Quantumania After Credits scene. Like you've theorized before, "the exiled one is dead" could be referring to HWR. Now after D&W, maybe the next line, "they're beginning to touch the multiverse" isn't referring to the Avengers, it could be referring to the TVA and how they are now messing around beyond 616, they are messing with 10005. In season 1 of Loki the TVA was only concerned with 616. HWR said he isolated the timelines, so that means the other timelines existed, but via Alioth's abilities, they are isolated from HWR's Sacred Timeline. In season 2, Loki creates a multiversal tree. This tree spawns from 616 though, so the other universes in the multiverse would still continue chugging along. We see this in D&W where 10005 is a messy timeline that exists. After season 2 of Loki, the TVA is now mucking around with these external timelines that they previously were simply pruning. This could mean that previously if the sacred timeline was about to incursion with an external timeline, the TVA would just prune the external timeline (this could be how the wacky timelines with Alligator Loki ended up in the part of the Void where Loki was). Now that they don't prune anymore, they monitor 10005 and allow it to run its natural course, but agents like Paradox try to prune it. Maybe that's what the Kang Dynasty meant by "they are beginning to touch the multiverse". The TVA used to keep to themselves but as seen in Deadpool and Wolverine, they are now moving beyond the 616 universe. Sounds like they've gotten a lid on the Kang situation, but that likely won't last forever.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Wow...okay, I love that theory. What if the Kang Council was indeed referring to the TVA in that post credit scene. Dang, that's so cool!

[@LetThemCookASuperheroPodcast]

Im so glad people r talking about this! I was bringing up questions about 2 Wolverines on my podcast and im glad to have found an answer thro u. Ur really good at analyzing the multiverse clues and putting together theories and timelines!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Awesome...glad that theory helped out. And wishing you the best on your podcast. That's so cool that you are doing that!

[@driveasandwich6734]

Something important about Cable's device is it works with Back To The Future rules. Hope's teddy bear changes in the present to reflect the new future. So it's the opposite of Endgame rules, changing your new future does change your past, Cable has lived a new life where his family didn't die. So I think whatever Deadpool does keeps the Absolute Points that are necessary for him to time travel, including Cable showing up and the formation of X-Force.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good point...but keep in mind that Marty going back to the past almost erased himself from existence because he went to a point in time before he was born and almost prevented his own birth. So I do have to wonder if Deadpool going into the past before he even had received Cable's device could erase Cable coming in the first place and then causing all kinds of issues. Good news is that no matter what would actually happen in that case, my bigger point was... Deadpool gonna Deadpool. What I mean is that both he and She-Hulk do things no one else could even conceive of doing. So the normal laws of physics or of time travel do not seem to apply to them. Wild stuff!

[@driveasandwich6734]

@@AbitofEverything4U You're right. I was mainly thinking of the end of the movie, where Marty goes back to the future and sees himself time-travelling to 1955 even though now he has the new life with the truck and the cool parents, which would mean the changes he did in the past already happened for the new Marty, but he's still going to interact with his past parents, if that makes sense. But yeah him disappearing throughout the movie does mean him time-travelling at all could have been averted along with his birth. So I guess since all that still does seem applicable to the way time-travel works in Deadpool 2,there's room for interpretation on whether Wade's changes are the type that could avert Cable's arrival or the type that would keep a point like that, even with the new future, like Cable's own actions were. Gee, no wonder the TVA has so many problems with this universe! But yeah I would agree Deadpool can do pretty much whatever with Cable's device, no matter what logic it would follow otherwise!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, it seems the real answer to every question is "Deadpool gonna Deadpool". lol!

[@Micoke12]

Some quick counters to your concerns on single tree theory: 2) and 3) Screen Crush just put forward an interesting theory, that each number is a different “limb” on the tree. Under the “limb” theory, I wonder if the rules of incursions could operate different between branches on the same limb vs. different limbs. In the video they also note that the only events we’ve seen explicitly referred to as “incursions” were a byproduct of dream walking, not regular time travel. If we want to call what happened in Spider-Man No Way Home an incursion (though the film doesn’t use that language), then we can expand this theory to say that when magic more broadly is used to bridge realities it can cause incursions. Heck, for all we know even Kamala’s bangles are magic (although idk if what was happening at the end of The Marvels was an incursion). When Kang talked about the multiversal war, he never actually explained how the universes died. For all we know the Kang’s were intentionally destroying universes, not accidentally causing incursions. Also, in terms of why Loki wouldn’t prevent branches from touching - the fans are calling him “God of stories,” but nothing in the show itself calls him that, or even shows what his power set is. I don’t think there’s been any concrete evidence he can manipulate the timelines. All we know for sure is he can hold them together in tree form-but even in a real life trees branches can touch, branches can fall off or rot away. I don’t even think we can say that Loki chose this form knowing it would work permanently. After all, Kang told him that if he didn’t stick with the current structure, the multiverse would die. For all we know, this was the form the tree took before Kang built the loom, and the universe and TVA are just in a perpetual cycle of tree -> near destruction -> circle -> near destruction -> tree… 1) and 4) In Loki S1, there were already multiple timelines stacked on top of each other. It was implied that they pruned non-sacred timelines that would create a Kang (and visually, seemed like they’d prune branches that would create bridges between timelines). For all we know, the parallel timelines contained the Fox and Sony universes. And even if they didn’t, we may be overthinking the placement of Loki seasons on the Disney+ site. They had to put them somewhere. But TVA exists outside of “time” in the traditional sense. It’s operating on an entirely different axis of time. It’s not going to make sense because there is no corollary to this in our reality. It’s like trying to explain what existed “before” the Big Bang or God. If it’s not something we can visualize in four or five dimensions, how can we expect them to accurately visualize it on a flat timeline on a TV screen 😅.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great feedback. Thanks for sharing all that. I did indeed see the Screen Crush video (love that channel) and it's a very good theory. Honestly, at this point any theory is valid, since Marvel hasn't made it clear how the multiverse is set up. I really do hope that movies like the Fantastic Four make it more clear. But Ryan's theory, as well as all of the ideas you floated in your comment are very plausible. I do still lean towards the multi-tree theory, however. And if you want to know more about the multi-tree theory, I do have a video on the "History of the Multiverse", where I go into that theory in more depth: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYSQp2t9dpmKsMU. Anyway, really appreciate all your awesome feedback. Thanks so much!

[@enderprodigy3167]

@@Micoke12 I'm placing this here as a book mark. I want to hear your thoughts but have to go to bed at the moment. hit me with a like and I'll read and work on a response. I like to integrate ideas obtain new information and revise my understanding or maybe even offer good speculation based on information I've investigated. So pumped to see so many writing so much.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@enderprodigy3167 I suspect @Micoke12 will be a great conversationalist on these topics!

[@enderprodigy3167]

@Micoke12 @Micoke12 You are asking all the right questions. You're where I was after Ragnarock. But after Loki season 1 episode 2 or 3, I began to see evidence of retrocausal tampering and how Loki freed a deterministic timeline. I love Screencrush and their content. Ryan has helped me formulate a working theory that I think might come true. So I'll hit you with a spoiler warning as I do make major predictions on things to come. I do believe my predictions are accurate after way too many viewings and deep dives testing it over many years. It wasn't until the climax of Loki season 2 and the post credits scene that my understanding of pre TVA pre battle of New York retrocausality made sense. I agree with you the storytelling is non-linear. This sets up many different paradoxical scenarios. The TVA existing outside of time is very relevant. But even the TVA is manipulated by the events of the timeline. each branch in theory has its own variant TVA. technically speaking everytime Loki retrocausally tampered with a moment, a TVA branch would also be created or amended in the same manner Wolverine projects his consciousness back into a previous moment or memory and changing it. A lot like Starks B.A.R.F. technology for its intended psychological closure for "our" Tony. But I'm getting way ahead of myself. "You can't scale for infinite." Loki TVA "This universe is finite. It's resources finite." Thanos Infinity War. "I went forward in time, to view alternate futures. To see the coming conflict." Strange Infinity War "He wants to show us something! a new Universe!" Selvig first Avengers in reference to Loki. Which begs the question. Were we dropped already into a timeloop paradox where its characters are just beginning to discover it? I think the answer is yes for many multitudes of reasons in separate directions. whether it be just logical progression of psychological development to more meta consciousness ideas and even more "grounded" theoretical physics and real-world conspiracy theories. To me, Marvel is an attempt at a theory of everything. where we explore concepts like the grandfather paradox and how to make an infinite timeloop mandelbraught of infinitely recreated universes utilizing entanglement and even more macroscale concepts presented in movies like Interstellar. Especially when concerning Sakaar. I'm sorry I'm still getting ahead of myself Still. There is a better way to show you what I mean. I'm gonna rewrite for you how I see our overarching sagas so far. Until the Kang who becomes HWR is removed from office, the determinism continues because of his constant reincarnation. Even Loki freeing the timeline resets the conditions for HWR emergence. the oroboros extends past a deterministic timeline because a multiverse needed to exist in order to isolate and prune unwanted or problematic timelines that, in theory, must threaten his very existence and therefore the variants (universe population) he "shepherds" so to speak. For example: Lokis are some of the most pruned variants because they threaten the stability of deterministic timelines. Loki is entropy personified through the concept of being a schroedingers cat. The "sacred" timeline hasn't been the sacred timeline for a very long time. I'm not even convinced our Loki from the series was himself, in fact, apart of the true sacred timeline. He was already caught in a madelbraught of repeated events through a paradox created by the time heist. Actually, many paradoxes, but for now, we'll focus on Loki because he's my most explored. My gut tells me Loki from the Loki series actually comes from the 14,000,604th Infinity War timeloop Paradox and has transferred into the 14,000,605th iteration in which Tony Sacrifices himself. I oversimplified that because audiences understand the reference for those numbers however... 14,000,604 of Stranges viewings were straight failures. defying probability. If you flipped a coin 14,000,604 times and it landed tails, You would be asking "what is the deal?". tampered rewritten. Thanos seeks to rectify his mistake by learning that Avengers will undo his life's work through the events of endgame. Thanos also knows the universe is finite and the resources at his disposal aren't enough. He and Loki secretly plotted to undo Kangs/HWR rule over the timeline and free it from its determinism and letting free choice reign. Which is partly why incursions are aloud to happen in Lokis multiverse. the decisions of the characters steer the timeline through affecting the masses N and their response. "Nexus" events in which two polarizing extremes are possible and where the story goes is a probability in between. Like double slit experiment without a third measurement relying on phase algorithms to decide the probable range in which a particle would land. Somen interpretations of these results theorize conscious observation manifests determined course. I personally, on a real physics level, don't buy it, but I love it for fictional content. Sorry, I had to add this so you didn't think I was advocating, lol. back to work. TBC... have to divide this into sections because you stated many complex things Ryan covers. However, I don't think Ryan's answers are 100% accurate. I think he's closer than most. Tay from KindaCulty really has some great content too. His predictive capabilities are more from legacy comic content, but he puts some great headway on making sense of the direction for content. Please tell me if this is too jarbled to make sense. I can refine my focus and be less conversational if it's distracting. I will redo how events occur in my mind in logical sequence after this post.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@enderprodigy3167 Wow...that's some heavy stuff...we'll see if @Micoke12 has any thoughts. You are well beyond my pea brain's capacity to process all that heavy stuff. Love your passion!!!

[@TheDarthgrant]

About the Sling Ring, I it was originally stated in DS that they can open portals throughout the Multi-Verse (This was obviously retconned). They have been stated in DS & the Official Artbook for the movie I believe to open portals across Space, which of course has been consistently portrayed. For Cassandra to open a portal out of the void, I think they the Ted and Green Stone have to be fragments of the Infinity Stones. If we were plotting a Chart: Sling Ring - Gives Access to Space Axis Time Stone - Access to the Time Axis Reality Stone - Access to the Reality Axis Thus giving her a lesser version of what Infinity Ultron could do.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I think that's an excellent theory. Very well laid out. Thanks for sharing it!

[@Blazecap]

0:53 Yo! That’s me! What do I do?

[@rickee9909]

you do the dew

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Congrats! And thanks for reaching out on discord!

[@LeslieAdams-dd1iw]

Winner winner chicken dinner yeeeee

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@LeslieAdams-dd1iw Indeed!

[@HappyDudeCustoms]

6:40 Great question!!! Excellent observation.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, it just seems odd to me that incursions would happen between branches in the same tree.

[@teddertot256]

Recreating a new universe makes SO much sense. A true cleaning up of the timeline over there on 10005. More sense than two Logans and two X-23s. I guess that also means that Logan’s death will one day unravel the timeline, but with two thousand years of lead time, I get the sense we’re not supposed to worry about that anymore.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Well said...yeah, I think this just works out so well. I hope that's the direction they take. And I love the idea of using the new 10005 to take on 616 in a battle royale!

[@Jake_Made_This]

Can I just say, your videos are amazing man! The best way to wind down after work is watching one of your videos. I also love how in depth everything is. Keep it up!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much...that's very kind of you to say. Really glad to hear the vids can provide a nice way to wind down at the end of the day!

[@mistercapcrime7002]

I really love your theory that 10005 was newly recreated. I actually had a problem with it, that two Wolverines and X-23s existed in obe universe. This actually fixes that concern.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, that makes so much sense to me. And it could set up a really good X-Men versus Avengers battle with all of the original cast members being involved. I love it!

[@cosmicmaster1006]

@@AbitofEverything4U we've already got one of our own on 10005. Monica is currently stuck there

[@Byronic19134]

@@cosmicmaster1006I don’t think that’s the same universe it may be Earth 818 Illunimati Earth from MoM.

[@cosmicmaster1006]

@@Byronic19134 well first, pretty sure it was confirmed a few days ago that monica did end up on 10005, but also it literally cant be 838 for 2 reasons. 1. Remember when Maria was captain marvel not binary and she got killed by Wanda? 2. Also remember when Charles also got killed by wanda. So monica cant be in 838, beast literally name drops Charles as if he's alive. "Charles asked for an update" And Beast's astonishment at someone from another universe wouldnt fit if it was 838

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@cosmicmaster1006 Yeah, definitely seems like the same 10005. Gonna be so cool to see Avengers vs. X-Men!

[@zoomkilla6132]

Another great breakdown, love your content!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much...really appreciate the positive feedback on the vid!

[@matadorbrunzor4090]

3:35 Concerning the previous Spider-Man Universes: if I recall correctly, Kevin Feigie once said after Loki season 1, that because Sylvie killed He Who Remains, No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness were able to happen. Since the universe already started branching there, I don’t think the Spider-Man movies were from the sacred timeline. IMO the second season of Loki “stabilised” the multiverse, as the loom would have overloaded with too many branched timelines.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great questions! So I made a short video on how Loki Season 1 and 2 fit into the overall timeline, including Feige's quote about NWH and MoM, in case you want to check it out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3SZeYWoq9qLnZo. It answers your excellent questions about how everything fits together.

[@Merione]

Okay, here's my initial, rough thoughts on anchor beings. The idea came to me while listening to this video, so I guess half the credit goes to you as well. When you were explaining the multiversal model you said that the branches are "anchored" to the tree. You probably said that without thinking, but that word made the gears in my brain to start moving. If the branches are "anchored" to the tree, then there is a point in time/space where that "anchoring" happens, right? That can only be the Nexus event that created the branch in the first place. And how does a Nexus event happen? According to the Loki series, it happens when someone goes off their path and makes a decision that results in a different outcome. From that single decision of one single character, an entire timeline is created. So what if the "anchor being" is simply the person who initially created the timeline by causing the Nexus event? If you think about it, in the X-Men universe it was Wolverine who traveled back in time and created the initial split in the timeline. Could that have been the Nexus event that created Earth-10005? If that's correct, then the entire timeline is hinging on Wolverine's actions. And it would make sense that if he dies, then the timeline would start suffering for it. This would also explain why at the end of Deadpool and Wolverine the X-Men universe starts healing again: Deadpool and Wolverine both thought that they were going to die, but they still made the decision of sacrificing their own lives to stop Cassandra. The universe was about to die of natural causes anyway, but with their choice they changed its course. To me, that sounds much like a Nexus event. And the ones who made the decision were Deadpool and Wolverine. So maybe there are TWO anchor beings in the universe, and that allows the universe to find a new foundation to start healing itself once more. The only problem that I have with this concept is that anchor beings seem to be mortals. Wolverine has a strong healing factor and he has a very long life span compared to most other people, but he's still a mortal. If he didn't die in Logan he would have probably died anyway at some later point in time. And what would have happened to the universe then? I think that's where the "sacrifice so heroic" that Paradox was talking about comes into play: if the anchor being dies of natural causes, then the universe is probably fine (maybe because the universe has time to stabilize over the anchor being's lifespan), but if they die of unnatural causes, then the universe gets somehow damaged from it. I can't still explain why or how that happens, but I'll think about it more and maybe share this on the Discord server if I can come up with a coherent explanation. Also, about the idea that Tony Stark might have been Earth-616's anchor being, I don't know if I necessarily believe it, because the evidence isn't there quite yet, but I like it. And if that's true, than it makes me think that it could be a nice way to tie into Secret Wars. Just imagine it: Tony Stark heroically sacrificed himself in Endgame, so now the universe has started its decaying process. But this time, maybe also because of Loki and Kang's interferences, the process won't take a couple thousands of years. Maybe the process has been accelerated somehow (an incursion, maybe caused by the F4 when they'll eventually come into the MCU?), and so the universe is slowly about to decay, to the point that the survivors will have to be relocated somewhere else: Battleworld, aka the Void. It would be a nice way to soft-reebot the franchise!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Love those theories. The anchor being concept is honestly pretty strange to me, but your ideas definitely help flesh it out. Nicely done!

[@enderprodigy3167]

@@Merione I'm placing this comment here because I want to bounce off some of your ideas as I think your on a good track. I had some to add as well but I write long form like you. It'll take me a minute to get my thoughts together. Just leave me a like as a book mark please lol.

[@Merione]

@@enderprodigy3167 Take your time! It's always great to share our theories

[@enderprodigy3167]

@Merione So there are a few physics concepts I want to pull into your theory that I think play significant roles in our story. wave function, fractal holographic universe, schroedingers cat, quantum entanglement. I want to visualize timelines as frequencies of light and talk about coherence and decoherence. I also want to visualize one tree as a singularity or qubit. One tree is inside one universal black hole and light acting as a torroidial field within the black hole (main trunk and continuity) mixed with branches and roots surrounding the event horizon and looping back or extending out. Which for all theoretical purposes given the nature of the entangled stacked universes amounts the same idea but also allows for new base realities to take precedence in other parallel universes. for instance, one or more variant timelines of the 616 create the conditions for 838. Visualizing the timelines as light in wave form will help us with the concepts of nexus events as well as ⚓️ beings. I, too, concluded the subjective experiences of our characters make them anchors when they create variant timelines. This allows characters to fulfill redemptive arcs through self sacrifice ending that timeline and allowing marvel to utilize variant storylines to explore new concepts. Such as was the case for Logan. I also believe dualism is at play with nexus events. both or more potential choices manifest at any given moment, creating a nexus in spacetime. These, I'll go with two, timelines would be similar to cross canceling waves colliding creating an incursion and likely doubles again moving forward as yet another nexus event. The main trunk of the timeline is full of potential anchor beings who go off on their own subjective journeys that also potentially inform the sacred timeline. These timelines are subject to retrocausal tampering via loops. Like the mibius strip These timelines play like a cassette tape with A and B sides. but rather than a fixed A/B track there's a feedback loop. so after A to B when we flip back to A it actually becomes more like A2. infinite timeloop paradox resulting. Now I have many major predictive theories utilizing this logic on characters journey through Canon, and I love to break those down. Can't get on that now gotta go back to work but wanted to share some of these ideas with you as it might help you breakthrough a block. or confuse you more lol.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@enderprodigy3167 Wow...I bet @Merione will love digging into all of this!

[@lightskinjayt2627]

Another great video man

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks...really appreciate it!

[@orionjordan9495]

I like your therory of the universe getting remade. That makes the most sense

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I love that it allows bringing back all the original X-Men along with new ones that weren't introduced earlier, so we can have an epic X-Men vs. Avengers fight.

[@Hydratz]

The Single tree theory would be something akin to the idea of "Last Thursdayism." Where literally everything, including your memories of the time before last Thursday, were all formed last Thursday.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Cool analogy!

[@Bangorblackguy]

Fascinated by your regeneration theory. Makes perfect sense that Wolverine’s regeneration would lead to him being the new Wolverine. Great video and impressive points made, as always!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks! Yeah, I really love that theory so much. It allows bringing back all the original X-Men along with new ones that weren't introduced earlier, so we can have an epic X-Men vs. Avengers fight.

[@jeremymorris345]

15:11 Cable's device wasn't given a lot of thought. Cable used it to slide into the past and brings his future body back with him. However, when he rewound time to save Deadpool, he woke up in his past body and didn't create two Cables. When Deadpool used it in the same film, sometimes Deadpool brought his body with him, and sometimes, he just appeared in his past body (Days of Future Past style). I guess you can either argue it's 4th wall breaking logic or Cable's devices are similar to Kang tech and can time travel anywhere in the Greater Multiverse. Also, wait, if Deadpool destroyed it, how did Cable get back to his time?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great points! Yeah, Cable's device pretty much did whatever the writer's needed it to do...lol! As for Cable returning to his future, I think he decided to stay around after the end of Deadpool 2, since he used his last charge to save Deadpool. So he might have been okay with Deadpool destroying it, ig?

[@thekraytdragon5131]

Another thing I want to mention is that the footage the TVA has is the exact angle and everything as the movies, meaning somehow they observe timelines with these cameras or something that are invisible or something. So maybe the TVA has every MCU movie exactly as we see it, maybe even with a musical score too? Idk lol, but it could be. Maybe someone’s job in the TVA is to take footage of major events and edit them into fully-scored” documentaries” so that they are more entertaining for TVA agents to review and learn about.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I love the idea of the TVA choosing the musical score for the MCU. What a cool idea!

[@mandalorianjedi232]

I like the term 1”Thousand”5 better because not only is that specifically the number but they refer to the the ultimate universe that miles comes from as 1610 not one six one zero separately

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I wondered about using that term, but to me it sounds like we are saying 1,005 because it’s hard to tell if the person is really meaning 1000 and then 5. Not sure if that makes complete sense, but I think that’s probably why they went with calling it one triple zero five in the movie.

[@pupulauls]

I think the clear intention with the sling ring is that they’re infinity stones. The fact they’re green and red shows us that the writers wanted to use the portals for the heroes and Deadpool Corps to get out of the Void but recognized the sling ring only travels through space so they slapped the Time and Reality gems clearly intending for the audience to recognize it is modified to not only jump between space, but across time and between realities as well.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I think that's the safe bet, tbh. Perhaps it will get confirmed when Dr. Strange returns to the scene in Avengers 5. Thanks so much for sharing your theory on it. I really appreciate it!

[@Byronic19134]

Finally somebody asked who made the Time Ripper because it’s easy to say Ouroboros but I think this is a golden opportunity, or perhaps a missed post credit one, to reveal Doom as the maker of it working alongside TVA to help maintain order.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh, now THAT's a cool theory! It would be something Doom would do...or certainly something he will steal!

[@luna9astra105]

Love the analysis! I always really enjoy your multiverse videos! I definitely agree with you regarding the single tree for all the reasons you mentioned. Concerning the sling ring, it doesn’t make sense for it to have inherent ability to be able to open a portal from the void. If it did, wouldn’t a Dr. Strange/Ancient One/Wong/etc. variant who got pruned already try to have used their sling ring to get out of the void. And if they were able to succeed, I think the TVA would know what is going on. But in Loki season 1, they seemed ignorant of the void’s very existence. I’m a bit confused regarding the whole “new” X-Men timeline. Using the Fox X-Men movies as a guide, which timeline(s) do you think were destroyed and which were regenerated/recreated?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I'm with you that I hope the sling ring isn't able to enter the void on its own. Although, ig Dr. Strange did use the sling ring to enter the Dark Dimension and fight Dormamamu. But I just hope they explain it when we see Dr. Strange again. As for rebuilding the X-Men timeline, I suspect it was rebuilt with the Wolverine from the movie being the Wolverine that was there all along. So perhaps alot of what led up to 2024 happened the same way, but just with a different Wolverine. As for the future, I wonder if that's unwritten and thus the Logan movie may not happen in the new universe. That would pave the way for Monica to arrive, if they go that direction.

[@ayanlevolg1606]

And also, I found out about why the monitors are still the same of the old secret timeline design. It turns out paradox kept the monitors of the old sacred timeline branches, the same because he prefers the same designs just like it was before loki until they finish the designs for the new design for the Multiverse tree so basically we saw the monitor stay the same is because it’s the same design they could change the monitors of the Multiverse anytime they want but right now it’s in the middle of design mostly because they still haven’t seen the Multiverse yet so until they see it and find it They will change their design and then that’s when we see the Multiverse tree design, so basically during the middle of the aftermath of Loki sacrifice, and after they settle with their problem with Deadpool and Wolverine

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Cool! Did you read about that online somewhere? I definitely agree that DP&W is happening after Loki Season 2's ending and thus after the creating of the Loki's tree. But I'm not sure about the monitors still reflecting a sacred timeline. We see the new monitors at the end of Loki Season 2 and they are in the same of his tree. So, I still personally believe that 10005 isn't part of Loki's tree and that Loki's tree is just 616 and its many branches (i.e. the What If branches), but if you found an article stating otherwise, let me know. Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts on it!

[@ayanlevolg1606]

@@AbitofEverything4U yes i did

[@ayanlevolg1606]

@@AbitofEverything4U well they cloud be until we get a offical word that they are becouse how it all happen becouse it wasn't time travel this time becouse it both different thing i mean you have forgot that the sacred timeline is collections of every timeline in the Multiverse

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Cool...let me know where you read it and I'll check it out!

[@diogoquelhas3630]

Awesome video as always

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much...really appreciate the positive feedback!!

[@meeksteezart]

When you said that line about an amateur magician, instantly thought of Doom being behind something like that and he allowed another universe doom variant to die in order to become the new doom

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh, now that's a cool theory! Very cool.

[@jackcapellini113]

Great analysis as always! You should make a video going over what Doctor Doom’s potential role in Doomsday and Secret Wars will be.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, that's a great suggestion. I do need to do that!

[@rickee9909]

34:00 that right there. thats the propper flow of time and it happens again and again and again.....

[@AbitofEverything4U]

lol...indeed!

[@TheKonradhehe]

A video idea: Please create a video about multiversal trees and explain which tree includes which movie/tv show (616; 838; 10005 etc.) and what happened to them. Plus a nice document on google disc.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great idea! I do suspect we'll learn more the closer we get to Secret Wars, but I could definitely do a theory video on it for sure!

[@dillpackle2386]

I think the Wolverine theory is how they'll have to lead going forward. It would be weird if they visit this universe in the future and the new Wolverine is hanging out at the X-mansion while the original Wolverine is never seen yet always a room away.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Well said! Yeah, it just makes sense to say they re-wrote the timeline and we have a clean timeline going forward...leading to (hopefully) an X-Men vs. Avengers fight!

[@theorycraftingmachine2876]

I only think there is one Yggdrasil Tree along with branches coming off of it and that is Earth-616, the rest of the Multiverse looks like what the Sacred Timeline was before the end of Loki Season 2, a closed loop circle with branches coming off them. If you think about it, Loki actually doomed Earth-616 because their Sacred Timeline is now a different shape than the rest of the Multiverse.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Interesting theory...perhaps Loki did indeed doom 616 by making it a tree. Fascinating concept!

[@HappyDudeCustoms]

29:36 i love this concept! I hope so. Total clean up and a paved road for the new coming x-men (such as Beast seen in the Marvels credit scene)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...I love that fact that it allows bringing back all the original X-Men along with new ones that weren't introduced earlier, so we can have an epic X-Men vs. Avengers fight.

[@maskerriz2616]

This is what I tried to explain in previous comments... essentially the Multiverse is one giant paradox, even though timelines didn't metaphysically exist yet they can still effect the sacred timeline because it's something that was always going to happen due to the Multiverse existing all at once. The only thing that makes it confusing is the perspective of the sacred timeline... they cant effect the Multiverse until they were exposed to it via the Avengers returning from the Time Heist (the events that would set Loki being abducted by the TVA in motion)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I definitely think that alot of this could all work due to how every point in time exists at once, but it does seem Feige is taking a more linear approach to things to simplify it abit. The fact that Feige has Loki S1 and S2 basically happening parallel to events in the main MCU (which does hurt my head bit, tbh), it therefore seems to indicate he is trying to make things simple in that regard. I really do hope we learn more info when Fantastic Four comes out. Lots of great potential for learning how the multiverse works when that movie arrives!

[@maskerriz2616]

@@AbitofEverything4U I definitely agree in the sense that it's an even harder concept for casual viewers to understand compared to people like us who love this kind of stuff, but even then it's quite a head scratcher 😂 for now I just stick with the theory I presented above and tell myself that the events of Loki don't necessarily run parallel to the MCU until they actually say that in one of the upcoming movies or shows. As you said, hopefully the Fantastic Four will help tremendously Also, I'm a little annoyed because all they had to do was use the term "nexus being" instead of "anchor being" and it would have made tonnes more sense since Wolverine is the one who created that timeline by going back to the 70s in Days of Future Past.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@maskerriz2616 Oh my, I just realized I didn't mention my "season by season" breakdown vid, as it answers some of your excellent questions. Here's that vid, if you are interested: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3SZeYWoq9qLnZo

[@yopunkpunk]

If What If..? S3 is indeed exploring The Watchers background more, I hope it can give us more answers to these questions we have. I really hope they end up continuing What If after s3, it could really help explain many concepts we dont have a clear answer on and there are still so many interesting scenarios to visit.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...I'm really hoping What If S3 gives us alot more info about the multiverse as a whole. That would be so awesome!

[@brainrotter-]

Loving the videos

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much...Really appreciate the positive feedback!

[@medianicko]

Finally got around to this great video! Cant wait for the x-men to show up in all of there glory!!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

ikr? Gonna be so amazing to see the X-Men finally arrive!

[@johngarrisoniv4693]

I you look on the top row of monitors at 5:04 it looks as if it’s zoomed in on the Earth-10005 universe and branching timelines, and there are faint rings above and below it on those monitors possibly representing other universes???? Like how He Who Remains explained in Loki season 1 finale that “there are universes stacked on top of each other” !!!! So perhaps there is an infinite stack of these rings that are each their own universes that the TVA monitor separately as different departments and the main 616 universes and branches has kinda broken free from this model and is now stretching out to other rings stacked above and below it CAUSING INCURSIONS IN THE FUTURE? I think that’s probably such a minuscule detail on those monitors but it may be important.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great observation! Yeah, I do wonder about those rings. They could very well be other stacked universes. Nice call!

[@JasonPtt]

I like your theory about the “meta” definition of anchor beings. I think we’re digging too deep (I included) into the meaning of them… I think they intended the movie to be more lighthearted and humorous and your idea of them clowning on execs and their need to overly use an “anchor” actor to secure their success is spot on flavour-wise

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I really like it as a meta commentary and I kinda hope we never hear the term again. If it does come back in a future movie, then they need to make it make more sense, imo. Anyway, excellent feedback on the vid. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

[@wraithadler]

If Happy had accepted Wade into the team, then Deadpool would have helped the Avengers fight Thanos😢

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Wouldn't that have been wild to see!

[@mds_main]

I can already see Deadpool joking on Thanos's actor and Cable's actor being the same. Actually I think he already did that joke in Deadpool 2.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Totally!

[@braikhurm7649]

I thoroughly enjoyed this movie. As a kid, I watched the blade movies all the time. I’m also a big fan of Gambit. And Wolverine is one of my single favorite characters ever.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, seeing so many great characters in one movie was so amazing!

[@dannyrank123]

Deadpools Mutant ability is that everything he touches becomes a comedy movie and he can do whatever he wants if it's funny enough

[@AbitofEverything4U]

lol...indeed!

[@ADjustinG2013]

At the end of D&W, they asked the TVA to restore the forgotten Legacy characters to their timelines. I think their worlds existed before the main mcu timeline

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great point!

[@bennett4789]

i really blame michael waldron for not only giving us the most convoluted possible multiverse rules but then also refusing to properly explain them on screen. i think treating the mcu like rick and morty was the biggest mistake marvel could have made

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I do agree that his "on screen" explanations are sorely lacking. I think his interviews are great and he explains it all very well in those, but I do wish alot of this stuff had been in the movies and shows themselves.

[@bennett4789]

@@AbitofEverything4U by far the best explanations ive seen have all been from you! based on a good amount of detective work no less. i think the multiverse is already a pretty heady concept to get general audiences to accept, i dont know why they thought going in a MORE complicated direction than the comic rules would work.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...I don't think they considered just how complex they were making things and I also think they have been surprised that as fans that we've been confused by what they felt wasn't that complicated. But I also think they are realizing that and so we are seeing more and more clear hints as to what is going on with the multiverse.

[@HappyDudeCustoms]

18:28 I think it allows for universal (not just branch but separate timeline) travel, including in and out of the Void. The Red stone is Reality so that could be universal, and the Green stone is Time so that could be past or future, including alternate branches. Just some ideas

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Very good theories!

[@herb4243]

All of this actually makes me think again of one of the first theories back when Loki season 1 came out. Basically, there is the sacred timeline (Universe 616), but it can branches into other timelines, and those are designated by 616.xxx… Once a timeline is left unchecked for too long, it becomes its own universe, hence the pruning. Now with the tree and the existence of universes other than 616, we could say that branches in Loki’s tree are 616 branched timeline and whenever one become too big and too different, it separates from the tree and become its own universe, and that is why we have universe 10005.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great feedback! It's certainly possible that a branch eventually separates from the tree to become its own universe, but since Marvel went with the tree analogy, it seems like the idea of a branch leaving the tree and thriving on its own wouldn't make sense, since that can't happen irl. But I do agree that the structure of the multiverse is pretty hard to nail down at this point since Marvel hasn't given us a big picture view of where universes like 10005 are located in relation to Loki's tree and if they did indeed separate at some point, so any theory on that has merit. I really do hope the Fantastic Four movie can answer alot of our questions. Fingers crossed. Also, if you haven't seen my longer video on the "History of the Multiverse", you might check it out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYSQp2t9dpmKsMU. I go into the multi-tree theory in alot more depth, in that one. Thanks so much for sharing all your theories. I really appreciate it!

[@Regular_Cat]

32:32 I absolutely think the two avengers movies are gonna show us the multiverse collapsing like in the comics, and then the last two universes who have to face off (probably at the start of secret wars) is gonna be the main mcu universe and the X-men/Fox universe, and after some battle world shenanigans, that’s how we end up with the mutants as a normal part of the mcu after secret wars

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent theory. That would be awesome!

[@rohitaglawe3910]

the Multiverse trees Forest 🙃concept is the most logical among the concepts I heard. Also it makes even more sense when deadpool goes to different wolverines they don't name them different earths as they know those are the part of the one tree only And I appreciate your efforts, this is actually a really good and probably the canon solution to the problem of two wolverines and X23s' in their universe. It's crazy to think that they rewritten the entire timeline (here I mean the present the past and the future of the X-men universe) plus that means the logan timeline is not canon now or is it a part of the branch of this tree ?? whatever it is but this is actually a good way to establish a universe where they can finally bring back all the X-men along with some new ones that they didn't introduce earlier. this is a huge theory!!!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...I really like the idea that they recreated the 10005 universe as it allows bringing back all the X-men along with new ones that weren't introduced earlier. I love that so much!

[@743757]

Thank you for the discussion about how Deadpool actually went to 616 universe, I was really confused about it, but I guess the logic of him being 4th-wall-breaking being just allows him to skip some logic, like it's his superpower to be where he wants to be. I wish it was explained a little bit more, even though on the intuitive level your explanation fits perfectly well. Also I've heard it somewhere on KZbin that the void works like a transfer hub between realities that allows ring users to travel between universes. I wish they have hinted a little bit more about the ring user, even though the first thought of an amatuer magician was Ned Leeds, probably his Hobgoblin variant.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great feedback! Yeah, Deadpool in 616 is just plain confusing all around. I guess the answer is Deadpool gonna Deadpool. But I'd have loved a better answer in the movie And poor Ned. Yeah, it could very well have been him that was pruned. Although Cassandra stating she was wearing his skin for a few days would be pretty funny! lol! But your theory about the void being a transfer hub is very cool. Thanks so much for the great feedback. Really appreciate it!

[@BRONZALiVE]

What wouod make sense to me is if all these universes are separate trees in a forest, then after secret wars or due to the events in said film the Forrest will be burnt down so to speak and they will have to create and brand new tree and this is how you can get a clean reboot with some characters like hulk, cap and ironman and Xmen and keep Tom Holland around and fantastic four can all coexist in a brand new universe. And you can basically start from scratch while also keeping around other heroes who still continue getting films.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Love that theory! I agree 100%!

[@SSBFan33-i3b]

I have an interesting fact about those Earth numbers. Marvel Database has all the universes for all the characters we see from alternate universes in The Void. In fact the wiki updated the info to confirm those characters come from certain universes. So if you are curious what universe say Blade comes from, Marvel Database has your answer.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I love the Marvel database! Granted, I do take it with a grain of salt, as it is ofc fan made and thus just head canon until the movies make it official. But I do love all the detail on there. As an example of why I call it head canon is that one big change we saw in DP&W is that I think the Marvel Database originally had Deadpool in a different timeline than Logan and now we know they are combined. So that's what I mean by it being head canon until Marvel confirms it...or in the case of those timelines, until Marvel officially combined them. I really hope when we get to Secret Wars and Marvel starts to reference all of the different universes that they use the same numbering from the Marvel Database. That would be a great way to honor all the work the Database team has done!

[@TonicHikari]

There's a lot of interesting questions brought up by the timeline and universe hopping done in just the first few minutes. Then the inclusion of the Deadpool Corp. and various othe properties from Fox, while still being connected to the MCU, also makes me hope that they'll explain all of this and make it less confusing in the future.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...I hope future MCU movies, such as Fantastic Four, finally explain all this for us!

[@AbjectPermanence]

"How can incursions happen if Loki is the God of Stories?" They happen BECAUSE of Loki. When Loki replaces the loom at the end of season two, we see him physically grab timelines in his hands and combine them together to hold them at once. Loki created every multiversal crossover throughout all of time when he did that. He had to, because he had to combine the branches to hold onto them all. There's no way that Loki could both hold the "new" multivere together from his throne beyond time AND also prevent incursions from happening on the time lines that he holds together.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Interesting theories! I hadn't considered that there were incursions going on while Loki was reviving the timelines. That said, my theory is that the loom only had the branches coming off of 616 and I don't believe branches can cause incursions with other branches. It's the reason we see so much travel between branches happening in What If episodes but there are no incursions, for example. I think it's only if you travel between trees that issues arise. So I think Loki's tree wouldn't cause incursions, in the same way that a tree's branches irl doesn't cause problems within its own branches, but that two separate trees can cause issues if they grow too close together. Hopefully we'll learn more once Fantastic Four arrives, as we know they are in a different universe so maybe we'll learn more about whether there are different trees across the multiverse. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@masonpierce3086]

People were confused why Gambit was left in the Void during the post credit scene. Maybe the TVA brought them back to life and since Gambit did imply that he was born in the Void, does this mean that Channing Tatum's Gambit is from the Sacred Timeline?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, it is strange that those 4 heroes were saved. I can't tell if they were brought back to life or if perhaps they ran for cover at the last minute and Alioth simply dined on all the villains they killed. As for Gambit, it does sound like he was born in the void, so at the end of the movie he was therefore left in the void. Since every universe is pruned to the void, he isn't really tied to any universe per se. He is quite the anomaly. I loved him in the movie. He was so hilarious!

[@adrianporter5749]

It would be so funny if one of the biggest changes in recreating the X-Men universe would be- THEY WORE THEIR SUITS THIS TIME. Also, I definitely think Wolverine has taken the place of whatever Wolverine was there. I also think- like many others- an incursion between 10005 and 616 will be the final incursion like 1610 and 616 in Secret Wars 2015 was.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...I love the idea that when Wolverine recreated 10005 he was like "okay, everyone's gonna wear the right suits this time...no more black leather!" lol!

[@enderprodigy3167]

Man, what a banger video. You got the best MCU community around here. Love how you've brought the thinkers and conspiracy theorists together in one spot. I've never wanted to write on so many comments at one spot. Im seeing some awesome comments and happy to feel others are on the level. YES! Stacked Universe's making their own trees. Thats exactly 💯 it.There's really no other way to explain it. Its from this concept I believe there is a previous version of the 616 that kang had isolate and then tamper with causal moments to steer it and prune the rest. Could this be universe 10005? I believe so. And I believe there is a meta commentary on what I believe Loki did in our universe by creating an adjacent 616 timeline. I believe he's done this in the Infinity War timeloop Paradox 14,000,605 times minimum. following the rules of dualism. Stacked universes with exact spin etc. were talking about entangled universes. This is a fractal holographic universe that exists in phase. These universes are simulataneously connected and not. I will explain that further to clarify. In the 616 sacred timeline in order to escape its determinsim and isolation, you have to uproot Kangs presence from its root entry. This took Loki centuries and many mcguffins at his disposal. I believe Our Loki is the sa red timeline variant, and our infinity saga is 616 adjacent. Hence why there are so many failed timelines. The only way to escape was for Tony to die. This puts our heroes in the endgame. Loki tampered with our timeline with the purpose of ensuring this event occurred. It is this act that gets us to the Kang who becomes HWR. From that point, he will be uprooted following the events of Quantumania and the probability Storm. It is heavily suggested Kang rewrote Scotts past putting us in pre 616 sacred timeline conditions within the multiverse. the 616 reverted following Kangs escape into the sacred timelines pre conditions for isolation. Which in irony stem from the sacred timeline itself escaping its determined course. yet another timeloop paradox made from Thanos and Loki's timeloop paradox effecting the timeline. And I believe there are more to come. Kangs pre universe seems to be potentially connected to the 10005 universe with comic accurate Mutants. I suspect the Scarlett Witch is actually from this universe and the sacred timeline will become the post house of M moment. I believe Kang would have to take iver after she made it meaning it must happen in the multiverse. As the branches of each universe reach up they touch the roots of their parallel in unison. Could even argue this is our TENET moment as there is no direction for the flow of time. (Im viewing 3 stacked universes in my mind.) I would also like to point out the torroidial structure of our tree. This insinuates that some of those timelines will bend back to its own roots like we were viewing time on the event horizon with the main trunk being a construct of interwoven adjacent timelines. from the trunk outward to the branches and back to the roots I speculate there will be 10 important subjective rings pertinent to anchor beings. I literally have so much more to cover but have to go at the moment.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Wow...that was some cool theorizing! Loved reading it all. Yeah, the multiverse saga has been so much fun as it lets fans like us go crazy with our theories. Truly appreciate you putting all this out there for the community to read and ponder. Thanks so much!!!

[@enderprodigy3167]

@@AbitofEverything4U It's always fun. Following news on some leaks on F.F. I was gonna try and tackle the RDJ Doom concept. Have a few kinks to work out in the linear progression. conflicting information. I'm hearing the F.F. originated on the sacred timeline. This makes me wonder of Stranges comment "Didn't you guys chart in the 60s" means that they actually did chart in the 60s given stranges eidetic memory. If There was a Victor Von Doom in the 60s with F.F. team then it's possible Howard Stark (Who prizes knowledge and intellect) would ensure his legacy would not falter in his absence. I also believe to some degree Stark may have made a self fulfilling prophecy realizing that "Howard Potts" was actually his future son. potentially even learning this through highly classified Intel on the future, held within projects such as insight (Which I believe was a project started by a Captain America dictator who convinced His crazed follower Hitler to begin WW2) (In a trippy grandfather paradox that encompasses all our heroes.) How hilarious would it be If Tony Stark was actually the test tube baby between He and Steve. "Everything special about you came out of a bottle." what If the irony of this statement is that Howard to ensure his legacy impregnated his wife with Victor Von Dooms DNA. Or better yet an actual just straight clone brought up like Boba Fett. But the Stark way. In this way we can completely differentiate both Tony and Doom and still keep the same actor across decades of time with noticeable aging since he began his career. without completely destroying Tonies death. Possibly even utilizing Tonies death to inform Doom that the endgame has begun. Being that he would technically be some variant version of himself I'm someway. Like how twins have the psychic link. Or how Strange witnessed his death in M.O.M. Man I can't help it. These ideas seem to be almost just straight shot into my brain from somewhere. It's like once you have enough of the pieces the puzzle hypnotizes you into the blinding glorious light. ✨️ 🐛 🪲 🐞. I suspect Doom may have wound up in 10005 as well with the F.F. team possibly in some other universe. To some degree I would speculate that Doom may have even informed Wanda's biased against mutants to recreate the sacred timeline that he was from. Then realizing her mistake escapes into the timeline through the mindstone somehow and emerging on the timeline in AOU when "Wanda" NPC touched the stone and became a playable character. Which would also imply that the blank spot of the brain 🧠 in Iron Man 3 where Aldrich Killian shows Pepper Potts his brain. Potentially suggesting project extremis was capitalizing on predisposed genetics for their "volunteers" survivor rates. I also think Kree blood may potentially be a critical aspect to the original super soldier serum tapping into Hitlers seemingly Occult obsession with ancient aliens to help man ascend towards states of "godhood" through blood and sacrifice. Making Steve ultimately have to go back on all his personal ideologies and compromise to maintain the integrity of the timeline and.... get back to Endgame. but before even that I think Steve meets Sam in the secret war taking the mantle of Captain America and having the same shield. therebye having to give it to him at that bench on endgame to keep the events of the secret war intact. Sometimes I wish I could turn my brain off like now when I should be sleeping before work haha. I love how these timelines spiral. literal rabbit holes made from mandelbraughts. Which is another topic I'd love to talk with you about. The concepts of sacred geometry, schuman resonance, conscious singularity and how they are represented in Universe and what I think that means. mostly because I want to hear your thoughts on those concepts. perhaps you've covered them I'm not sure. I've seen quite a few of you videos but not sure I've seen everything you've got. Always a pleasure hearing from you!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I am so excited to see what they do with Dr. Doom and RDJ. Your ideas are fantastic. Hope Marvel is reading the comments! As for sacred geometry, schuman resonance, conscious singularity, etc...oh my...I'd have to do some research on those topics. I admit I haven't looked into those yet. Your scientific knowledge is truly impressive!

[@zephaniahharrison5171]

goated theory my man.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks! I just love that it allows bringing back all the original X-Men along with new ones that weren't introduced earlier, so we can have an epic X-Men vs. Avengers fight.

[@aminaabdulaziz8452]

Today watch deadpool and wolverine. It was a amazing movie and in the credits it was showing the behind the scenes of all x men movies

[@AbitofEverything4U]

So glad you got to see it. I loved all those behind the scenes clips from the X-Men movies. That was so cool!

[@grecia_gs]

Omgggg I love the Wolverine theory my head was a mess and now it makes total sense!!! (also lately a Gambit frame in the TVA are around the internet these days so Gambit is alive in the timeline too 🥹)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I love the theory of 10005 being recreated. It makes so much sense. And it sounds like the #GambitLives movement has succeeded. He did indeed appear in that post-credit scene!

[@criticallockdown4767]

Pretty crazy the amount of universes the MCU's connected itself to: Earth-96283 (Raimi's Spider-Man) Earth-120703 (Webb's Spider-Man) Earth-688 (Venom) Earth-26320 (Blade) Earth-10005 (X-Men/Deadpool) Earth-701306 (Daredevil/Elektra) Earth-121698 (2000's Fantastic Four) Imagine how much more we'll see in the future. Especially "Doomsday" and "Secret Wars"!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

ikr? It's gonna get absolutely crazy after Avengers 5 and 6!

[@PhilipKNguyen]

kevin feige allegedly stated that not only the pre MCU movies are in the “MCM” but the MCU (including the Xmen and any other live action media) is part of the live action Disney multiverse including Hocus Pocus, Descendants, 2019’s Aladdin, High School Musical, etc.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Very cool! So many potential crossovers for Secret Wars!

[@mr.supe2024]

( 3:58 ) I think it's because Kang is from Earth , he Labels 616 Universe as Earth-616

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree… I think that’s a number that meant something to he who remains and that perhaps when all the Kangs met, they numbered each universe, and that was the number that HWR ended up with. So therefore, he leaves Easter eggs on the Earth that indicate the numbering.

[@parker_smith72]

Idk if Loki "created it" I think Loki just stopped pruning and *let* it happen. Great points about the spider-man's.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good feedback! Yeah, that makes sense about Loki just letting it happen.

[@Killerfin100]

I still think the multiple tree theory is the most plausible as when paradox is showing wade his universe dying, you can clearly see the sacred timeline of that universe shrinking not just one branch.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Well said...I agree completely!

[@ViralEdge]

We need an updated mutilverse for watch order

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good point! I did update the google sheet with the recommended order, but I agree...I should do another vid on it!

[@WhiteRaven696]

It's absolutely impressive how the MCU has incorporated pretty much everything released from Blade onwards. I believe the only things yet to be incorporated are: Hulk 2003, Man-Thing, Ghost Rider, Punisher: War Zone, Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance, Fantastic Four 2015, Madame Web, Mutant X, Legion, The Gifted, Big Hero 6, Big Hero 6: The Series, M.O.D.O.K., Hit-Monkey, Moon Girl & Devil Dinosaur, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Inhumans, Runaways, Cloak & Dagger, and Helstrom. Relatively speaking, that's an incredibly small pool of properties.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...I love how all of this has been incorporated. And yeah, the list of things left to include is relatively small. Can't wait for Secret Wars!

[@WhiteRaven696]

@@AbitofEverything4U I mean, there's a much larger list if you include all animated properties and live-action properties prior to Blade, but Blade is generally considered to be the birth of modern Marvel movies, and there's very few animated properties that go above and beyond. Honestly, I'd love to see you do a video recapping all of the previous stuff that has and hasn't been incorporated yet.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, that's a great idea for a video!

[@WhiteRaven696]

Due to what He Who Remains originally said, I have to believe that there's a larger Multiverse that the MCU Multiverse is both within, yet isolated from. So I think that all of the previous movie universes are part of that original, larger Multiverse and they just happen to be some leaves that graze the leaves of Loki's tree. Kinda like what Beau DeMayo said when describing X-Men 97's connections. Especially since Earth-10005's reality designation came from the Handbooks, which are focused on the comics.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Well said...I completely agree!

[@WhiteRaven696]

@@AbitofEverything4U The analogy I keep thinking of is... The MCU Multiverse is a tree in an orchard. Every tree is its own multiverse, and the entire orchard is connected through a network of roots, as well as leaves from their branches.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Niiiiice!

[@ironboylegend485]

Having a movie about the x men vs the avengers would be cool and maybe explain the scene of deadpool "dying" held by thor

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good point! Perhaps Deadpool doesn't want to be in that battle after all. Or, perhaps he wasn't dying but will troll Thor since he can heal. That would be hysterical!

[@masonpierce3086]

The void is at the end of time for the MCU timeline, and B-15 is at the TVA. It's all under the single tree in Loki. People gotta accept it's always gonna be awkward to wiggle around this merger. We already established timeline and universe are synonymous so what Paradox said to Deadpool implies 1 tree, not multiple.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent point! So, my take on the void is that it isn't tied to just the sacred timeline but that it is a dumping ground for every universe. He Who Remains weaponized Alioth and that's what protected him from the rest of the Kang Council, but I don't think the void is unique to the sacred timeline. If you haven't seen my video on the "History of the Multiverse" you might check it out. I go into all of the theories in more detail there: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYSQp2t9dpmKsMU.

[@hunterterrell5735]

An interesting thing about the sling ring having some of the stones in it is that the TVA made sure that they stayed in their office instead of just pruning them and then during episode 1 B15 recklessly pruned a whole drawer full of them into it. And what if the stones were the anchor beings instead of only being a person, its a person *or* items of 616 and because Thanos atomized them instead of destroying them, they're still operating. Just some thoughts I had

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Very cool theories...yeah, I would love to spend 5 minutes with the writers of DP&W and I would immediately ask about that sling ring. I wanna know how it works, dern it!

[@HUSSAIN_AHMED]

Maybe Logan happened in a branched so when they re-created Logan timeline got deleted

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good theory. It sure does seem like Logan's movie is no longer part of the X-Men timeline in 2029, so one way or another things can now lead to a new future for Deadpool and the X-Men going forward from 2024 and beyond!

[@covertTJ]

Loki is essentially holding together what constitutes the trunk of the tree. Even with only one tree, the fact that the branches will remain unpruned means that his plan is destined to fail. The show says that much. He's giving the branches a chance to fight for their survival. Hence the upcoming Secret Wars and what we just saw in D&W. Because the branches becoming overgrown is inevitable. As for Loki causing these timeline branches to exist, 1) he is outside of time and 2) any timeline that you're not currently in is effectively also outside of time. It doesn't matter that Blade happened 30 years ago because the events of that movie were never part of Loki's timeline. On the different numbering: if Loki's tree is all of existence then what he's holding (the trunk) isn't just 616. 616 is a branch and that branch is covered in twigs (smaller branches/timeline segments). If each number was its own tree then I think they wouldn't all be monitored by the same TVA or connected by the same quantum realm. I honestly think the show just focused on 616 branches for the sake of simplicity.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great feedback. I agree, at this point any theory is valid, since Marvel hasn't made it clear how the multiverse is set up. I really do hope that movies like the Fantastic Four make it more clear. Also, I do have a video on the "History of the Multiverse", where I go into my theories in more depth, if you are interested: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYSQp2t9dpmKsMU. Really appreciate all your awesome feedback. Thanks so much!

[@boi2803]

I personally believe in the singular tree theory mainly because I feel like if there were multiple trees, than Loki’s importance to the multiverse would be lessened. Also I think it makes sense for each universe/timeline to exist in one tree bc the tree’s branches are infinitely growing, and bc it’s an infinite amount of branches you could pretty much get any universe like the paint universe or animated universe in one tree. One more thing, in season 2 of Loki, in one of the final episodes, He Who Remains tells Loki (who was time traveling to different points) that if the temporal loom can no longer hold any more timelines, than it destroys everything but the Sacred Timeline, so the TVA is destroyed as well becoming “collateral damage” as He Who Remains said. Therefore, with the TVA being completely gone, multiple timelines begin to branch from different points of the Sacred Timeline and no pruning means multiverse. So basically, in episode 4 of Loki when the loom explodes, everything resets, and that’s when other universes like Blade, X-Men, etc appear and grow along side the MCU creating a multiverse, it isn’t until after the Marvels where Loki creates the tree to protect the multiverse from Kang variants and other crazy stuff. To sorta recap, you have the Infinity Saga, then Loki season 1-2, up to episode 4, the loom explodes, then the Infinity Saga again but with Blade, Spider-Man, TASM, X-Men, and other timelines progressing along side the MCU, and then sometime after The Marvels Loki s2 Ep. 5-6 happens and Loki creates the tree to keep Kang and other bad stuff like timeline decay out, and then What If..? Season 2 and Deadpool & Wolverine happens. This kinda shows how Deadpool could’ve jumped into 2018 on the Sacred Timeline because his timeline did grow along side the MCU it just wasn’t always there, I hope this was understandable bc this was rlly hard to explain lol

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great feedback. Thanks for sharing all that. It's a very good theory. Honestly, at this point any theory is valid, since Marvel hasn't made it clear how the multiverse is set up. I really do hope that movies like the Fantastic Four make it more clear. But your theory is very plausible. If you want to know more about the multi-tree theory, I do have a video on the "History of the Multiverse", where I go into that theory in more depth: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYSQp2t9dpmKsMU. Again, really appreciate all your awesome feedback. Thanks so much!

[@boi2803]

@@AbitofEverything4U ofc bro! Thx for reading it 👍

[@AbitofEverything4U]

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[@loganporter4005]

First I just wanna say I love your videos. I really appreciate your passion and attention to detail. You're doing great work man! Second, would love your thoughts on this question: We see in Loki that the void exists outside of time and there's the main 616 sacred timeline surrounding the citadel (which is now Loki and the tree). Now after seeing Deadpool and Wolverine we see that it's all one void for every universe (I'm of the multiple tree theory as well) but only 616 is visible from the citadel. So my question is where are all the the other universes visibly? I don't know if that makes sense and can definitely add further clarity if need be lol 😂

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great question! So one of the stranger things to me is how they reached the citadel after enchanting Alioth in S1, E5. I have to wonder if there was some additional magic they used to open that portal after dissipating Alioth. I mean, if the portal was simply somewhere behind Alioth, they would just wait for him to pass and go behind him. Instead, it seems once he was dissipated, it opened a new portal that led them to the citadel. So my point is, I think the citadel isn't directly connected to the void.. Also, in S2, E6, Loki walks on the gang plank to grab the branches, but then it seems a portal opens when he heads to the throne. So I think the void, the citadel, and the location of the TVA HQ are all disconnected from each other. Let me know your thoughts on that. Hope it made sense.

[@loganporter4005]

@@AbitofEverything4U that makes total sense, thank you! I appreciate you 🤝

[@AbitofEverything4U]

your welcome! Really appreciated the conversation!

[@PhilipKNguyen]

I think every universe has a sacred timeline like all trees have a trunk and as many branches the species can sprout at

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree 100%!

[@Notlikehawkman]

I have an interesting theory as to why Logan’s death in 2029 would’ve made the universe already start to corrupt in 2024. My theory goes that Logan is an in-universe movie, as judged by the posters in No Good Deed. That would leave enough space for Logan to die sometime before Oct. 2024 in Earth-10005, hence why that universe is starting to corrupt already. The fact that the footage Paradox showed Wade was of the Logan Movie was just because his real death ended up being SUPER identical to the Logan film. Further evidence comes from official Marvel books that list Logan as separate from Earth-10005. Those books list Logan as Happening in Earth-17315.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Very creative theory!

[@theagentsquidfiles504]

(Also, the first Deadpool movie explicitly establishes Ryan Reynolds is a separate entity from Deadpool canonically, so he probably went back and killed 10005 Ryan Reynolds rather than jumping realities)

[@devofficialchannel]

It also explains how in the first movie, pre-mutation Wade was able to reference Green Lantern despite not being able to break the fourth wall yet.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Cool theory!

[@zainhaddad4797]

Love this explanation! so if the 10005 Universe gets recreated, that means the graph shown 31:49 would have a 4th branch that acts as the Sacred Timeline of 10005 and then the previous 3 branches would have still happened without contradicting the new canon of DPAW ending because i don't think Marvel would intend to say implicitly that they were erased and does not matter anymore. Then if they do the Avengers vs. X-Men story it would be 616 (MCU since 2008) vs 10005 (the X-Men Universe that has been mattered since 2000) to resonate better with the fans.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent summary. Yeah, can you imagine that battle between the X-Men and Avengers. Dang...it's gonna be peak!

[@christiantownsend4948]

Great analysis! I also think that an x-men vs avengers will come in the doom movie (fingers crossed)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I love the idea that re-writing the 10005 universe allows bringing back all the original X-Men along with new ones that weren't introduced earlier, so we can have an epic X-Men vs. Avengers fight.

[@wyatttulk4744]

@12:52 I'm not sure if what happens at the end of Loki S2 is suggesting that all those universe NOW exist but that they are now able to grow from any point in time whether that be the What If..? episodes where they are tied to the more recent Marvel films OR if they are an older universe that may have branched earlier in history, and I mean way earlier. This would apply to the FoX-Men and the other Fox Marvel films that DP&Wolverine has now introduced into the MCU's multiverse. Like we have seen before not only does the TVA and now Loki exist outside of space and time but all of time, technically, exists at once. That's why the death of Logan in "Logan" sent a shockwave across the Earth-10005 reality. Even though it may not have happened yet for someone in DP's chronology but it does happen in that timeline. This could also explain why DP is aware of the death before it even happens. Some branches may be so old that they look like part of the overall trunk or even a new one.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks for the feedback on the vid! I do apologize, as I'm not quite sure I understand what you are saying. It seems that there are three following possibilities for when universes like the X-Verse (i.e. 10005) were created: 1. They existed as a separate trees in the multiverse and that HWR left them alone and simply isolated his own tree/timeline (i.e. 616). So in that case, the other universes have always been there. 2. They spawned as branches coming off of the sacred timeline during the time it was inside the loom. 3. They spawned as branches off of Loki's tree at the end of Loki Season 2. I agree that all points in time exist at once, so that's not an issue no matter when the universes were created. But the question is whether universes like 10005 are part of Loki's tree or not. My theory is that it is scenario #1 from above. I think that explains all of the things I bring up in the video, such as the numbering and incursions and Waldron's quote, etc. But I do agree that at this point there isn't enough clarity to know the answer for certain. Hopefully the Fantastic Four movie will give us a definitive answer. Anyway, really appreciate your feedback on the vid. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts!

[@rhodrage]

For some reason, on the MCU wiki, on the page that lists every Universe, several of the What If? Universes has their own number. For some reason.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I'm honestly not sure where those came from. Alot of the fan sites create their own numbers while waiting for Marvel to confirm them. For instance, 10005 was created by fans and then Marvel confirmed 10005 in DP&W. That said, I will be surprised if Marvel gives each What If episode its own number, unless it is 616.XXX for each episode.

[@pmaestro]

the tva exists outside of time. so them "fixing things and having Loki establish the tree" isn't a "can only happen after the marvels" thing -- it's a "now has always has been" thing.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...the TVA is definitely outside of time and so the idea of it "running parallel" to the MCU is pretty hard to fathom. However, if you get a chance, check out this short vid on the season by season breakdown of the overall timeline. It has 86K views (insanity!) and it goes over how I think the MCU is structuring things: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3SZeYWoq9qLnZo. Thanks so much for sharing your feedback. I really appreciate it!

[@izzar.718]

I believe Deadpool lied about destroying Cable’s time traveling device for him to arrive at the avengers compound on 3/14/2018

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Right! I think he was saying that he traveled to see Happy right after he saved everyone at the end of DP 2. So he destroyed the device after visiting Happy. I think you nailed it.

[@joshuacollins9316]

I think Loki S1 & 2 are set at the end of the D+ timeline because of the parts that are set out of time/at the end of time during the series. Not because the entirety of it is happening after everything else. In fact there are previous interviews when stuff like MoM & No Way Home came out that Kevin Feige references things happening in those movies because of Loki.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great question! So I cover Feige's quote and more in this short video on the season by season timeline, if you are interested: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3SZeYWoq9qLnZo.

[@linkthenewheroofhyrule7491]

While I do agree that the void is the dumping ground for the entire multiverse, what caused all those Fox Marvel villains to be sent there in the first place? Is it possible that Paradox sent them for the sole purpose of keeping Cassandra “happy”? I doubt they’d be “multiversal threats” and they’re definitely not from the 616 branch timelines. Did their universes lose their anchor being which lead to them being in the void?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's a fantastic theory. Based upon what Cassandra said about her partnership with Paradox, I do suspect Paradox kept sending stuff to her so she would be willing to stay in the void.

[@dadaaxel3189]

As I think more about it, it seems that Marvel is retconning itself and making Lokis tree the entire multiverse. They already established that going back in time is just going to another branch at a certain point in time. If the multiverse is this one tree that would explain how Deadpool can travel to the Sacred Timeline. It also explains how the TVA could even take Deadpool to the sacred timeline. I hope I’m wrong though

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I admit that I wondered if they were changing their mind on things. But the Fantastic Four footage where Reed talked about parallel earths makes me think they are still giving us the multiple-tree layout of the greater multiverse. Hope we get more confirmation when Fantastic Four arrives!

[@jaggerspock6160]

If confused on how Cassandra Nova ended up in the void. If the 10005 universe is a completely separate tree why would the TVA had gone after a child that’s no where near the sacred timeline? She’s clearly been there her whole life so it seems like they put her there before the 616 tree was created.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

What an interesting question! The only answer I can come up with is that branches seem to form at all points in time. So the branch that created the young Cassandra may have appeared more recently, even though it branched from events that happened decades ago on 10005. Since the void is outside of normal time and space, it would still allow Cassandra to have then aged up. That's a pretty timey wimey answer, but I agree, it is a strange situation since the TVA would only recently have been monitoring 10005.

[@TheKonradhehe]

I think that if whole 10005 has been recreated then everything in previous movies doesn't exist anymore so only 1 Wolverine. Deadpool, Wolverine and X-23 are now in 1 (sacred) 10005 timeline. It all fits, I like it.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...I really like the idea that Deadpool and Wolverine recreated the entire 10005 universe at the end of the movie. As Deadpool said: "That just feels right!"

[@jorgecarbajal8076]

Out of all the other X-Force members who "perished in action," I'm curious why Deadpool decided to bring back Shatterstar, especially since Wade didn't seem to like him that much in Deadpool 2.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I agree, that was indeed strange. I don't know why he saved him and not the others.

[@devofficialchannel]

I had this assumption that Wade saved the entire X-Force, but only Shatterstar and Peter bothered to become close friends while the rest presumably left. Note that Deadpool told Peter that X-Force was "Fox's marketing stunt". And unlike him and Shatterstar, the rest of the team were disappointed that they have been duped and immediately quit the group.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@devofficialchannel Good theory!

[@J0Nramirez]

Personally, I've always understood, and do believe, that the end of Loki season 2 is Loki having saved branches that would've been pruned (not pruning them makes the Loom overload/leads to "bad" Kangs). That was what season 2 was fighting for. No more pruning. Let everyone live. Let free will occur. So Loki sacrifices himself to allow already existing branches (universes) to continue to live and any new ones to form. By the way, this also explains why incursions occur--free will. Loki not controlling things doesn't disqualify him from his title. It's actually why he has the title. Also, Loki's show placement on the Sacred Timeline does not indicate that the Sony/Fox universes were birthed after season 2 of Loki. The tree is formed of everything that already existed (which includes the Fox/Sony films) at that moment AND anything new that happens by branching. To provide proof to my point: The main reason for pruning was to protect the sacred timeline as pruning would prevent universes from forming that would lead to "bad" Kangs. So, since Loki's actions allow this chance to now happen then that means everything and anything Sony/Fox had to have already existed, and by definition were not birthed after Loki forms the tree, because neither universe feature a "bad" Kang. One tree makes sense to me in that regard. I won't argue that Deadpool's shenanigans with Cable's device is wonky, tough. Ha. Classic mutant continuity. If there are multiple trees then, ok, that would fold into how you pointed out the "stacked universes" exposition from He Who Remains; HOWEVER, stacked universes are already depicted in Loki season 1 when the timeline is zoomed in on and reveals itself as a "rope" type of visual so, He Who Remains may have just been showcasing it differently when explaining. The rope illustrates countless universes stacked upon each other because a timeline cannot exist without a universe to reside in. Ok. Thanks for the video! You're great at examining and asking questions about the MCU. It's entertaining and a great discourse opportunity for fans. P.s. Dr. Strange causing an incursion in MoM before Loki forms the tree (or any incursion that occurred previous to that), to me, just means that two colliding universes didn't feature a "bad" Kang. This would mean the two universes were allowed to exist and He Who Reasons didn't care to get involved with them since they were safe from "bad" variants.

[@rohitaglawe3910]

I appreciate your theory but it still doesn't explain how he who remains was saying in loki S2 finale that his varients are already out there and what about that when the quantamania kang demonstrates many timelines parllel to each other having individual branches crossing with each other causing incursions. Also he who remains doesn't want any varients of him emerge and because of that he seprated his timeline means our main 616 timeline from the greater multiverse and maintained it with the help of the loom ( see loki S1 ending where he explain his origin ). This can't be possible if sacred timeline we have seen in loki is made of multiple universes as your theory said. It is the only one timeline filtered out from multiverse to avoid the multiversal war. Also see the post credit of quantamania, the main kangs said our 616 universe begins to touch the multiverse. this can only be possible when there are many trees exist already in the greater multiverse.

[@J0Nramirez]

@rohitaglawe3910 thank you for replying. I hear you and I understand your point about He Who Remains saying that he has separated the Sacred Timeline from the test of the Multiverse. However, why does the sacred timeline have to exist in a separate tree for that to be true? If all branches are universes, and jumping between them is not possible without America Chavez's power, then it is possible that the 616 Universe and all of the "bad" Kangs are in the same tree. The Loom was just a tool, not an indicator of being in a different tree. I say this also because He Who Remains never explains how the Sacred Timeline is separated (perhaps it was the Loom that acted as the shield). He Who Remains never says that the 616 Universe is in a separate tree either. The only conjecture we have for that point is Beast, at the end of The Marvel's saying, "parallel reality" and Reed saying, "Different dimensional planes" in unreleased footage. But don't forget that the term Reality refers to a timeline within a universe. It does not inherently mean different tree. All this to say the single tree technically works until we get a proper explanation about how the 616 Universe is separated/protected. Think about No Way Home when at the end of the film we see shadows look like they're waiting to jump over to our universe and Dr. Strange says (paraphrasing,), "They're almost through". That sounds more like a shield or barrier being pushed through rather than jumping from a different tree. As far as different branches touching and causing incursions, I would say that if you're alluding to that as proof of different trees interacting, I understand. It is peculiar to see branches touch without it being labeled an incursion. Perhaps the subtext is that a very bad thing has to happen after being "linked" in that way? I'm unsure. I would have to see what you're referring to again before I know. But thank you for responding and bringing up the points that you did. Hopefully we all get answers soon! Have a good day. :)

[@rohitaglawe3910]

@@J0Nramirez I understand your interpretation about the single tree multiverse...It's just the multiple trees theory feels more right when you talk about parllel or alternate universes completely different like cube, paint or bees universe or even animated they shown in MOM and you know what honestly Marvel just haven't explained us more clearly how and where this multiverse and multiversal war actually happend so that we get some visuals how this exist in the dimensional planes Reed mentions or whatever the parllel reality really means...Hopefully Fantastic 4 will give us all the answers. Thanks to you too for replying. 😄

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Awesome feedback! Yeah, it's all pretty hard to nail down at this point since Marvel hasn't given us a picture of where universes like 10005 are located in relation to Loki's tree, so any theory on that has merit. I really do hope the Fantastic Four movie can answer alot of our questions. Fingers crossed. Also, if you haven't seen my longer video on the "History of the Multiverse", you might check it out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYSQp2t9dpmKsMU. I go into the multi-tree theory in alot more depth, in that one. Thanks so much for sharing all your theories. I really appreciate it!

[@J0Nramirez]

@@AbitofEverything4U very true that this is difficult as heck, and I too look forward to Fantastic 4 for explanations. I'll check out your other video. I'm sure it's great!

[@bizzybrown8372]

I think there is a running theme of rogue TVA agents appearing now that there is a perceived power vacuum

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Totally agree...and it could lead to lots of issues!

[@woodearthdvd]

What struck me as weird is using the timeripper from inside the universe. If I was removing the whole tree I would do from the outside. I guess they still needed some way to portray the near human level powers of wolverine and deadpool versus something more appropriate like cosmic powers. The universe killing story would have made more sense with rogue watcher as the antagonist.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I thought it was odd you had to physically be there, but I suspect the person doing it would be able to escape the spaghettification in time?

[@rickee9909]

33:14 *raises hand* I do.... I want a paint Kang....

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I totally want a paint Kang!

[@ejmovement1613]

Keep in mind, pretty sure Deadpool 2's post credit scene was very likely to be a joke. Then after, Marvel Studios decided to retcon it as it actually happening for this movie's storyline because "Well we have a TVA, so why not mention it?" And that's what brought us to this point. I personally think in simple terms as well, Marvel Studios could have probably just retcon'd Cable's device as a Time AND Multiverse device. Whether or not it makes sense, it seems either of those routes if not both are the ones they decided to go with, which may or may not explain why this was a standalone movie instead of connecting it to another Multiverse movie in the end? Eh, ya never know.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I do wish we'd been given more of an explanation on that device, but I have to wonder if 4th wall breaking beings can just do crazy stuff. I mean She-Hulk exited the Disney+ homepage to go and confront K.E.V.I.N. So my guess is the device was still just a time travel device but "Deadpool gonna Deadpool" and so he was able to do more with it than others could do.