What Does Your Fandom Hate, But You Don't?

[@CanonSkyrissian]

aang taking away ozai's bending as opposed to killing him is not only in character for aang but arguably so much funnier too. like, being a non-bender is ozai's nightmare and also people will remind him to the end of his days that he was bested by a child whose people his grandpa genocided. like ozai wishes aang had just killed him instead of that!

[@jmaldonado790]

Agreed, I know some people view just tossing the bad guy in jail as kind of lame/ a cop-out but for someone like Ozai, who was willing to sell out his own family to gain power, losing everything and having to live with it is the best punishment.

[@angrychipmunkonfire3]

Aang taking away Ozai's bending was essentially the equivalent of Aang castrating Ozai right then and there.

[@ashhole03]

There's a woman in the comics that come after the show who Aang was considering taking the bending from. She said she would rather die and that it would have been more merciful for Aang to kill Ozai than to take his firebending because a life without bending isn't worth living at all. She even said this right in front of her non-bending daughter. Being a non-bender really is some people's nightmare.

[@isengarde9490]

@@ashhole03 Well, I mean yeah, could you imagine the power shift if some people, regardless of any concrete label, just started to be able to bend the natural world to their will? And even with all the science of the modern world, it's impossible to figure out *why* they can do what they do, *who* gets to do what they do, or *how* they do what they do?

[@dragonmaster48141]

Honestly yeah, hell in some cases it was more cruel for Aang to take away his bending than just kill him. After all in the span of a few minute, the man went from being the most powerful firebender in the world, to a powerless man. I mean unlike Zuko, Ozai doesn't have anything to fall back on. Had Aang killed him he would have been immortalized, a man who was so dangerous the Avatar had to kill him to end the war something he would have loved, but this way he goes out with a whimper, just a sad man who died without a legacy.

[@gabbithealicorn7327]

I really wish “queerbaiting” wasn’t thrown around as much as it is. It’s an actual thing that happens sometimes, but the meaning has become so diluted because EVERYONE thinks EVERYTHING is queerbaiting. Also people think that real people can somehow queerbait which just…isn’t how it works

[@GhostOfNevermore]

Yep, however I do think the cw queerbaited Supergirl. what do you think is an example of actual queerbaiting?

[@UltimateDespairado]

I hate it when people make every fictional character gay or lesbian. Like it’s great that you want to see more homo characters, but does everyone have to be gay? If everyone’s gay… then no one will be.

[@osheridan]

In my fandom, people were saying that the gay ships are queerbaiting because they're badly written, but the thing you should know about the fandom is that virtually every ship is badly written

[@cinders-xs2zn]

@@GhostOfNevermore that one is absolutely queerbaited- and cw Batwoman did it even worse :/

[@ThePrincessCH]

I like how they managed to do it in the adaptations of Mo Xiang Tong Xiu's stories. The shows have to undergo Chinese censorship laws, but they're surprisingly explicit.

[@carolinewalter9816]

The avatar fandom is so rancid when it comes to katara. Ok listen- my mom died. Talking about grief saved my life. It makes me so angry when people make fun of her for talking about her mom’s murder, and treasuring the one thing she has left of her. The cast has their problems and deals with them as such. Yes, soka doesn’t talk about his grief as much. But some people deal with things by internalizing them. Gosh. People don’t give zuko and aang half the crap they give katara and it reeks of sexism. Grrr it makes me mad

[@genericname2747]

Yeah like, y'all forgive Sokka for being sexist but hate Katara for not knowing how to handle the grief of her mothers murder. Okay.

[@lizardycrow2304]

Katara is literally the person who holds the team together. I hate when all of the goes to Sokka because he is "the funny one" and does not reflect on death of his mother for some reason

[@ebonydarknessdementiaraven4610]

LITERALLY THIS OMG Katara hate is so undeserved, yes she's sensitive, yes she's bossy, THAT'S WHAT MAKES HER A GOOD CHARACTER. Katara is imo the best written female character in atla (closely followed by Azula) cuz they actually show both her strengths and weaknesses as well as the consequences of her own bad choices. rather than Toph who - although flawed, things always seem to just work out for her and Mai/Ty lee who don't get much development or character building throughout the story. Don't even get me started on the people who downplay her fighting skills. she's Master Katara for a reason

[@small_and_dangerous2068]

Also I feel like there is an over emphasis on “Katara won’t stop talking about her dead mom” when in reality, she honestly…doesn’t? She brings it up in situations where it’s applicable but so many people act like she talks to every character like: “Hi my name is Katara and my mother was murdered in a fire nation raid and I’m so sad about it and I just thought you should know before we continue.” It’s literally never brought up so much that I feel like it’s even a character beat that she gets stuck on for too long. We get moments where we see it and her necklace is always a reminder that she loves her mom and wants to keep a piece of her with her. But she doesn’t shove her trauma down the throats of other characters and it honestly all boils down to a really great ending to that arc in her character in The Southern Raiders

[@jmaldonado790]

It feels like people saw all the jokes made about Katara in Ember Island Players and just went "yeah, she IS like that!" and didn't do the same for any other of the character's portrayals.

[@nekomataglitch7204]

I think that both pure evil villains and morally grey villains are overly hated. Both are fun in their own way, it’s fine to have a preference for one but I don’t think either are bad.

[@kyradreamer4769]

I feel like everyone thinks that one is overdone and wants more of the other and all I have to say to that is to pick a different story. There is no lack of either and there really are only those two major categories. Pretty much every other kind is going to branch off of one of those.

[@blueflare3848]

Same with sympathetic villains. They get so much hate.

[@realdragon]

I do agree but some argue that movies are bad BECAUSE they don't have one or another. I've seen mainly DreamWorks stans yelling how Disney movies are bad because they don't have pure evil guys

[@theunfunnyanzu1964]

I generally like both, I enjoy villains of every flavor

[@UltimateDespairado]

@@realdragon cough cough Hunchback of Notre Dame Cough cough Hercules

[@murmurcub]

I agree completely with Amy's take. But I'd like to add that she can't ever win: if she's chasing Sonic, she's annoying. If she's growing as a character, she's a Sally expy. If she's unapologetically girly, she's just an stereotype. If she's acting tough, she's becoming a feminazi stereotype. Why can't Amy be everything I mentioned and still be Amy? I've seen this kind of discourses happening with other popular and classical femenine characters (Princess Peach, Barbie, Disney Princesses, etc.), but Amy have been having one of the worst reactions imo

[@DrawciaGleam02]

I think Princess Peach has it worse in some cases..... since most of the time she has to be saved by mario.

[@jmaldonado790]

I think that's partially because of how scattershot SEGA has been with Sonic's direction as a brand, the fanbase is so divided that any change that one section loves is going to be met with ire by others.

[@verdragon5591]

@@DrawciaGleam02 Ironically I feel Peach is in a way shielded from most of this discourse due to her basically not having a character, in the same way pretty much the entire Mario cast is one-note. While sure, she lacks agency in many appearances (though not _all_ of them, which I think is noteworthy), she isn't really _underdeveloped_ in comparison to her male counterparts because NO ONE in the core Mario cast has much in the way of a proper character deeper than their surface attributes (at least that remains consistent across games). Rosalina and arguably Bowser are the closest we get.

[@verdragon5591]

I feel like Amy and Sally can be pretty clearly differentiated by the fact that Sally was primarily a military leader, while Amy only becomes leader of the Resistance/Restoration after the Eggman War, and thus is heading the organization as a humanitarian (or, well _Nermanitarian_ since they're Nermies, and if you don't get that reference, go find Ian Flynn's podcast and listen to some episodes, you'll pick it up) institution. The Sonic fandom in general has _issues_ agreeing on a lot of things, though at least most of us are in consensus on other stuff, like how Knuckles should get off of that floating rock more often, or how Shadow should be a bit less angsty.

[@whytheheckarewedoinginhere1886]

Hmmm, maybe Amy should have a game about herself to show everyone that she more than just a lovely dovely girl, she can be the same baddest as Princess Peach.

[@RhettoeRaven]

A large portion of the Zelda fandom hates Revali simply because of the fact that he is rude. I find this unfair because he’s one of the most fleshed out, three-dimensional characters in BotW and even the entire Zelda series. He’s rude to Link because he worked hard to get to where he is all to be a sidekick to some kid who was chosen by a sword. Like, I would have the same reaction.

[@ruinparadox4812]

Looking at it a bit deeper, out of all the Champions, Revali is the only one who was born a regular dude. Urbosa is royalty with lightning powers, Daruk has an impenetrable shield ability, Mipha is a princess, and Zelda and Link are the chosen ones. Revali literally had to climb to his position through his own efforts as opposed to just being born with status and power. From an objective standpoint, Revali is the most impressive out of all of them through his efforts alone. Yeah sure, he's a pompous jerk, but who wouldn't be if they found out that all their hard worked earned them was a position of playing second fiddle to some random child who was predetermined to be the main character? He has every right to be petty about it.

[@CR1MSONACE]

People hate Revali? I thought he was one of people's favourite characters.

[@fiftyteen]

@@CR1MSONACEyeah, I used to hate him aswell until I replayed the game and realized he was one of my favorite characters

[@user-qv2mc3dw5o]

He’s not bad, but I wouldn’t say he’s one of most fleshed out, three-dimensional characters in Zelda. I mean, most literal side characters in MM have more depth than him (not that he’s bad).

[@quack-tastictictac1630]

I’m generally not a fan of self centered characters like Revali, but he is incredibly overhated

[@6sloththesix]

Self Inserts or Oc X Cannon. I think its really cute, and if they find comfort in it or relate to the character its fine. Aslong as its not harming anyone else why bash it!

[@Kyumifun]

i have a feeling this may be (coincidentally?) related to that one dude in the Deltarune fandom who shipped himself with Noelle. imo ppl are way too obsessed with her, and it's not common for something like this to happen "unironically" so no wonder he was bashed for it. Still, to gang up on him seems not cool.

[@thisisapictureofmydog.isnt9208]

Ikr. It’s fun

[@Dressup_Doll]

I added an OC to fill in the role of Jinx because it was AU where Powder never became Jinx; she was crazy-fun to write because she had a very dreamy POV in my opinion.

[@Azyne]

i love these ngl

[@StillNoClue22]

Honestly seeing and making self inserts is pretty fun and I don’t see any problem with it.

[@LeeDeeLee7]

I can't stand when someone says "If you hate *insert non canon gay ship here* your homophobic." Like no??? I love lots of gay ships but I just don't think these two specific characters have any romantic chemistry. Also when people say that about the characters, they ignore how most of them actually hate each other. (Sonic x Shadow is the most common ship I see people say.) Also unrelated, I hate aro and ace erasure in fanworks. Like there's a character who is confirmed to be aro/ace and people are always like "NO THEY'RE WITH *insert character who is clearly just a friend or even hasn't interacted with aro/ace character.*"

[@sophitiaofhyrule]

If you think Sonic and Shadow actually hate each other, you didn't pay attention. They're rivals, but they definitely don't hate each other. Unless you're thinking of the Boom universe they absolutely care about each other

[@cinders-xs2zn]

I don’t believe Shadow and Sonic hate each other- they have a rivalry but that doesn’t equal hatred. I also can see the ship, not because I love queerships but because I can actually see it. It’s totally okay if you don’t like Sonadow tho, I don’t like Sonamy.

[@peiithos]

aro ace erasure is rage inducing to me as an aroace person especially because queerplatonic relationships are RIGHT THERE if you want them to have a special bond with someone whilst not disrespecting their identity. its uncomfortable seeing people force romance on aroace characters bc i put myself in their position and imagine romance being forced on me and news flash i do not like it.

[@Starjellybear]

*cough* Hasbin hotel fandom *cough*

[@K-K-Kingston]

I can't remember if it was canon or just super implied, but I've seen so many people ship Saiki (from the Disastrous Life of Saiki K.) with other characters. Isn't he aroace? He has several rants in the show about not wanting to ever be in a relationship and how all he wants to do is remain as average and unremarkable as possible.

[@Kitsune_artzz]

Mabel from Gravity Falls getting so much hate for accidentally causing the apocalypse after having what was most likely a mental breakdown and couldn’t make any rational thought in the moment, and many people seem to forget that she’s literally 12 years old and a kid how just had a terrible dose of reality. She’s just a kid and for some reason the fandom thinks she should be acting more mature and reasonable at her age and if you think about it the fandom also brushes aside so much of Dippers own selfishness and isn’t questioned at all, like any time he tries to get with Wendy and obsessing over her in the series, that pisses me off to no end. Even the current fandom I’m in sometimes gives one specific character shit for making human mistakes (while yes some of those mistakes were his fault and he still needs to make up for them) and not questioning what other characters did when they did the exact same thing. Like come on people.

[@TheVillainousSoul]

I'm sad to say I fell into the Mabel hate-train because of some frankly terrible videos I had watched. I no longer think this way and acknowledge that Mabel and Dipper were *both* immature and selfish. The episode where Dipper keeps changing the time to try and impress Wendy for example. It was selfish, not only because he hurt Mabel doing it but because he was treating Wendy as a thing to be won rather than her own person who was also too old for him. There are other examples. They are both children, the selfishness and immaturity are there because of that. I definitely think the hatred of Mabel was born out of sexism, as girls are often expected to act more mature then boys in the same age range.

[@Kitsune_artzz]

@@TheVillainousSoul thank you, I didn’t want to out right say it cause I didn’t want to deal with those types of comments from people, I’ve been in enough arguments with the fandom before to just not deal with it, also the sexism that I had to deal with while in that part of the fandom while trying to prove my point.

[@ebonydarknessdementiaraven4610]

REALL I can't STANDD Mabel haters its seems so unrealistic and targeted

[@TheVillainousSoul]

@@Kitsune_artzz I completely understand. I was worried about the same thing tbh.

[@lightyearpig12]

Dipper was this dangerously close to becoming an incel after ruining a guy’s life just because they liked the same girl. Thank God for Wendy letting him down easy.

[@DrPokemon2001]

For anime in general, how many people hates all dubs. I get some dubs don't get me wrong, but hating because people have a preference of HEARING AND UNDERSTANDING the media they watch.

[@realdragon]

I mainly watch dubs. If it's available it's my first choice

[@hannahmetzger4880]

​@@realdragonSame!! :3.

[@DrPokemon2001]

@@realdragon Same here. I usally go for dubs if they are available. The only exceptions are if the dub does unwanted changes and One Piece. For One Piece, it's because Luffy's English voice sounds like a pre-teen girl who chain spokes. Even though she(Voice Actor) does do great on the screaming parts, but it's painful every where else. Other than that, everyone else has either a great voice(Roger, Whitebeard, Blackbeard, Smoker, Franky, Brook) or has a fine voice.

[@realdragon]

@@DrPokemon2001 I would make exception for accents but Japanese version rarely have have those

[@Pi4ever]

That's an english problem, it seems. With my country's dubs at least ( Brazilian Portuguese), our native speakers praise them, Jujutsu Kaizen, Dragon Ball (R.I.P Toriyama), Spy x Family, Jojo, One piece, but well, that's when we talk about animes with high-budgets that can afford a good dubbing.

[@yamyam4050]

Shipping asexuals, Look, i always hear the “but you can’t ship them they’re asexual!” Without actually knowing what asexual truly means. It’s really frustrating and on a more recent fandom they bully others hard for shipping people like that Helllooo coming back to edit and say all spectrums of the aroace matter here and it’s completely valid to like or dislike someone else’s shipping opinions Cackles in demi aro

[@blueflare3848]

If the character is aroace, I personally don’t like seeing them shipped. I fully understand that aroaces can be in a relationship, but when people ship them it feels more like they’re just disregarding the character’s sexuality. We barely get any representation and there are so many other characters they can ship instead or that are already in relationships. Not every character needs a love interest anyway.

[@purplepedantry]

​@@blueflare3848 It's very clear with the Hazbin fandom, being in it. They often treat Alastor like an Allo and disregard his orientation.

[@thispersonwriting1889]

There are so few ace characters, it seems cruel to just take them like that.

[@osheridan]

​@@thispersonwriting1889 But they're not being taken? Dating when you're ace doesn't make you less ace (speaking as an ace) and is pretty normal. Imo it's only wrong if the character is aroace

[@hoonistown]

oh boyy that is really frustrating, speaking as an aroace i hate seeing people confuse aromantic with asexual

[@sophitiaofhyrule]

Too many people are really wierd and misogynistic about Princess Zelda. They're mad that she's a person with feelings instead of Link's submissive little waifu. It really says a lot about how they view women...

[@itsdripnovababy]

I LOVE BOTW ZELDA MY PRECIOUS SASSY BRIT SHE’S SUCH A FUN CHARACTER I LOVE HER AND SHE’S SOOOOOOOO GOOD IN THE SEQUEL AS WELL SGDUYFDUYFDJYFJYD

[@MiracleTimes07]

She’s a nerdy girl who loves to learn and explore! But people don’t like that she has a well fleshed out personality in Botw

[@lukebytes5366]

Tetra???

[@papercraftcynder5430]

I love that they did so much with her as a character, so it irked me a little that the revelation in her arc was "I'm going to do what's expected of me in the way I'm expected to do it" and become a band-aid on the Calamity Ganon problem until Link could go in and rescue her. It's one thing I felt TOTK did better, because she's a more active participant in the story who did a lot of planning and came up with clever solutions to difficult problems so that by the time Link shows up, he feels like just one component in a larger system rather than the hero who swoops in to save everyone.

[@verdragon5591]

@@lukebytes5366 Yeah, Tetra doesn't get half of this crap, nor does Sheik

[@BMS777]

One thing I don't hate like others in the fandom is when cosplay isn't that accurate, some think cosplay has to be as accurate as possible, but character designs are often difficult to recreate precisely...so I think it's incredible who can get close to the character, even giving it a stylized look!

[@sketchycat6223]

Yes I love when cosplayers add a lot of accessories or different aspects to the outfit, even if it’s not canon! Cosplay is supposed to be fun! Adding unique elements to a cosplay helps it stand out & lets the cosplayer be creative :)

[@piranhaplantfan1311]

One thing that bothers me is when people say you cant cosplay a character that is a different race or sex than you. If you want to be a female batman or a white black panther dont let some losers on the internet stop you

[@gravetiger9333]

The only thing that bothers me in cosplay is when it's oversexualized. There's ways to make any cosplay decent but I've seen plenty where they'd just rather walk around with half their boobs/midriff/their entire chest on display and it's really uncomfortable sometimes and, unlike TV where I could just switch the channel, they might be right next to me in line for something or almost rubbing up on me if we're both looking at the same vendor

[@x_kittrix]

@@sketchycat6223yeah I love cosplayers with lots of accessories. It makes me sad that a lot of decora cosplayers get hate because they “over decorated” their cosplay when that’s the entire point of decora.

[@montserratmarroquin400]

This is something that I love when it comes to FNAF cosplay (not saying I don’t like a full robot costume but I just prefer makeup and both are honestly really cool)

[@justanonbinarynerd-ne9tt]

I agree with overhate. I dislike some fan favorites in the fandom I'm in, but i don't go hating on anyone who likes them. On the sunflower bit, there is a ship called dandelion(i think) and it's basically sunny and basil after getting therapy and all that.

[@theodoregrambeII]

YES I LOVE DANDELION!!! (Comfort ship moment) (/ooc)

[@justanonbinarynerd-ne9tt]

@@theodoregrambeII :DDDDDDDDDDD

[@cockenballtorture]

i like sunflower because it's toxic and codependent and terrible, it just feels like the natural progression for those two to get into a relationship

[@x.basil-foxx.x]

YES DANDELION

[@bumbabees]

@@cockenballtorture YOU GET IT. i get so tired of people acting like shipping is just for "healthy relationships." i, and most other people i'd say, ship primarily because it's interesting to explore certain dynamics in a different way. those dynamics do not _have_ to be healthy, and it annoys the shit out of me when people act like they do and get self-righteous about it. that's my biggest problem with most omori shippers. they act like there's a morally superior way to ship.

[@Pi4ever]

From Minecraft, I don't understand why people hate birch. You can use it in good ways, sure it's heinous as a house's main element, you have to contrast it with other blocks.

[@reasyrandom]

Me, who literally uses Birch the most...

[@marrocovin]

to me, i hate birch because (these are all subjective) the leaves are ugly, the planks don't go with much, the trees themselves ingame look ugly (as in the way theyre generated), etc. though birch is TOO dogged on i think

[@Josue_S_6411]

Who even hates birch besides Canman18??

[@Pi4ever]

@@Josue_S_6411 Carvz, it seems.

[@altheac1114]

@@Josue_S_6411 istg dude, like Canman18 has a genuine hate boner for birch

[@fireflystudios123]

I’m surprised that no one has talked about Alphys from undertale here. Probably in an effort not to upset the fandom. I personally really like her, yes what she did in the true lab was horrific. But the fact that she ended up telling everyone the truth and knew they might not forgive her shows that she wanted to be a better person. I think that shows her true morality. Also I find her texts in hotland to be really charming no matter how many time I play through the game.

[@DrawciaGleam02]

Hey! I like Alphys too! Wasn't the true lab thing supposed to be a way to free monsterkind WITHOUT taking human souls?

[@kanemorsillo5501]

I'm pretty sure it was for curing all of the monsters that were in the "fallen down" state which is basically the monster equivalent of a coma almost. (the main difference being is that they die after a certain amount of time while in that state so Alphys wanted to be quick and find a solution before that happened)@@DrawciaGleam02

[@FrozenFennekin]

Wait people hate Alphys? I know that she’s not a lot of people’s favorite character but I didn’t think anyone actually disliked her. Her character arc’s a really sweet arc about making up for your mistakes and not being consumed by guilt

[@edatheowllady9518]

@@FrozenFennekini didn't know she was hated either until I watched a KZbin video dedicated to her. I actually identify a lot with her. I tend to beat myself up for the smallest things and let my guilt take over. Some think I'm overreacting or just looking for sympathy but I genuinely feel like I have to punish myself sometimes

[@bumbabees]

@@kanemorsillo5501 not necessarily, the original commenter was actually right. she was trying to use soul power to open the barrier using monsters souls, since it cant be recreated artificially. but monster souls, unlike human souls, (with the slight exception of boss monsters) cannot exist outside the body. they instantly shatter. so she isolated the element that gives humans the ability to persist after death from the human souls they already had, which she calls "determination", and injected it into the dying monsters so theyd stay long enough for her to use them.

[@Sensko]

Putting characters into heterosexual pairings. Specifically my problem is with people getting worked up about other people disagreeing with their own interpretation of said characters. Yes, Queer Erasure is a very real thing in mainstream media, but that random person drawing Deku kissing Uraraka probably didn't do it as a roundabout way to showcase their homophobia.

[@sophitiaofhyrule]

That on it's own is perfectly fine, but do you get mad at other people for putting said characters into gay relationship? If yes, that might be why people get mad at you

[@WillTheWise04]

There's nothing wrong with straight pairings, so hating on someone for a straight ship,(especially if those character's most popular ships are gay) is unnecessary if those characters have unconfirmed sexualities. I apologise if you are a sane person who means well, but I've come to not trust this phrasing. I've heard this type of language used a lot for characters that don't have confirmed sexualities. It's surprisingly rare for a character to actually be confirmed straight. Society in general has this "straight until proven otherwise" attitude, which means if a character is straight, they often don't say it. They want it to be implied because they haven't explicitly said the character is otherwise. But life is not a court of law. "Straight until proven otherwise" is not how the world works. Hate on perfectly fine straight ships is bad and unnecessary, but usually people who say this assume every character ever is cishet unless they are obviously, cannonically, in your face, not cishet.

[@Sensko]

@@sophitiaofhyrule Oh, even as a dumb teenager I was never that bad. My first reaction coming across a ship I'd never had considered is usually to engage with it a bit more, just to see what people like about that character combo. Best case, I find something interesting/enjoyable, worst case, I've simply confirmed the thing is not for me. My problem is with people getting worked up about something as dumb and inconsequential as other people's shipping preferences in general and trying to misrepresent said preferences as malicious or deliberate acts of queer erasure.

[@Sensko]

@@WillTheWise04 I honestly don't think a character's sexuality (confirmed or otherwise) should put any limitations whatsoever on how to portray them in fan media. That being said, I realize the phrasing in my initial post is a bit unfortunate and could be a bit more clear. I'll edit it to hopefully clear up any potential misunderstandings.

[@WillTheWise04]

@Sensko thanks for rephrasing it, lol. I do think it is a lot clearer and comes across a lot better. 😅 But I do think if a character has a confirmed sexuality, you should respect it when shipping n stuff. Even if they are canonically straight. It is confirmed for a reason, so I believe that when shipping, it should be respected. This is especially an issue with characters who are Ace, aro, or both. But that's a whole other rant. But with characters with no confirmed sexuality, you should be allowed to do whatever you want (as long as it's not like incest or pedophilia obviously, lol). People should not police other people's completely harmless ships.

[@peepysprite]

The filler. In an anime with geyser nosebleeds and slapstick comedy, they think the filler is "too goofy". For large parts of the series literally nothing is happening, so the filler gives a desperately-needed reprieve from the melodramatic emotional slog it becomes at certain points, as well as providing characterization for many characters who otherwise have almost no screentime. A lot of character traits introduced in filler end up later appearing in the manga so I don't know how people can say the filler is worthless/noncanonical.

[@All-ze9cl]

I think atla does filler so well. Episodes that seem pointless are actually really important for characters to get development and for the group to feel like actual friends. That’s why the live action feels stiff and the chemistry is low, it’s bc they aren’t given any time to just relax and talk.

[@SkullQueen33]

This happened to me with Gintama... A friend of mine said something along the lines 'yes, but the anime doesn't get good until (insert chapter where the big epic plot fights start, because I don't remember which one it was), the rest of the anime is just dumb filler', and I was like?? You're watching Gintama, a literal comedic anime who likes to develop each one of their background characters in goofy yet very well written everyday situations, why would be that a bad thing??

[@akaony]

Im gonna go with Naruto with this

[@Dragonmongamer]

Also I like how many Filler episodes are seen as chances to like, breathe and slow down for a bit. Especially after a super plot relevant arc

[@peepysprite]

@@akaonyYYYYEP

[@egomaniac7230]

In conclusion, that reading comprehension really is piss poor.

[@purplepedantry]

How dare you say we piss on the poor!

[@kingchey772]

@@purplepedantry *points* Tumblr user

[@AbnormallyOnline]

This comment and the fact that you have a Preminger profile picture is just absolute gold to me.

[@egomaniac7230]

@@AbnormallyOnline He once famously said, "Why don't you stick to your books, school boi" in reference to the obvious decline of media literacy, so how could I refuse

[@AbnormallyOnline]

@@egomaniac7230 I see what you did and I love it

[@hiraganasakura9074]

In the Minecraft community (to clarify specifically the corners related to the game itself, this isn't related to MCYT fandoms afaik), items that exist in the game purely for aesthetic purposes. I'm a builder and I love items that exist just to look cool bcus, well, I can use it in my builds! But so many people say that stuff is "pointless" bcus it doesn't directly contribute to getting better gear or fighting bosses... neither of which are even the point of the game to me It's fine if you don't like the items in question for that reason, it's fine if your main goal in Minecraft is to get totally stacked with gear and you don't care about the aesthetics, it's fine if you're a minmaxer or a PVPer or what have you. If that makes you happy, good for you, genuinely! The whole point of Minecraft is that it's a sandbox game and that you can do whatever you want and I'm glad people find joy in making it challenging or grinding for gear. But I'm sick of people pretending like that's the only valid way to play *a literal sandbox survival game* What makes me happy when playing Minecraft is using it as a sort of art form (and I hope this doesn't make me sound pretentious; I firmly believe that any expression of human creativity can be considered "art", traditional or not) and watching the world come alive as I build up and up and up in it. And every time I see something new come out that's really cool aesthetically, and I get really excited, and I go online to see if there's any other builders talking about how to incorporate it into their builds, that interpretation of the game feels completely invalidated as I see fans start bashing the crap out of the item in question, anyone who likes it, and any dev who worked on it. I've literally had to minimize how much I interact with the Minecraft fandom outside of the little corner of building KZbinrs I've found myself in as a result, which I say at the risk of sounding like a "sensitive snowflake who can't take criticism," but whatever, it's true Idk it just feels like the Minecraft community has become super toxic and hypercompetitive and unwelcoming to different playstyles over the past few years overall, and this is just an example. It's a silly block game, folks. We can all just have fun. There's so many ways to customize the game to be the way you want, and that opens up even more if you're not a bigtime vanilla purist (and no judgment if you are, that's valid, I'm just saying). Heck you can even continue bashing these purely aesthetic features all you want, I'm aware I have a hot take lol. Just stop bashing actual people for liking or creating things in the game, at the very least; that's insensitive at best and outright toxic to the fandom at worst

[@Anonymous-ks1pn]

Take a shot everytime someone calls copper useless for no reason

[@Ravvaroniandcheese]

me and my friends have a modded server where we added new enemies, new weapons, new armour, ect but im always more occupied with the farmers delight mod because i like cooking 473829472389 dumplings even though we dont need that many

[@hiraganasakura9074]

@@Anonymous-ks1pn Fr! And I say this as someone who wasn't the biggest fan of copper when it came out either. I didn't think the block looked bad, I just thought it was too industrial-feeling for my more medieval fantasy style of building. (Then cherry wood came out and I realized how copper and cherry looked surprisingly good together and I've since changed my tune, lol.) But my period of disliking copper honestly also showed me just how easy it is to avoid a lot of features you don't like in Minecraft. Like, I just... wouldn't mine copper in that time. Or if I did, on accident or to get some other resource, I'd just throw it away or leave it in a chest forever. Obviously this isn't the case with every item people may dislike, but with the purely or primarily aesthetic ones that are often complained about, it's pretty easy to just not obtain or use them in my experience tbh

[@hiraganasakura9074]

@@Ravvaroniandcheese Honestly that's so real of you lol! I have a modded world with the Farmer's Delight mod and I looked into making dumplings, and tbh they seem pretty fun to make and it looks like they're a good food source, so maybe I'll do that too haha

[@IceFireofVoid]

I feel this so much for the animals that get added. They don't need to be useful. They just make the world feel more alive.

[@superdupercoolguy69]

skyler white from breaking bad. people act like she's the devil and the worst character on the show when the show is literally about making drugs. she's extremely well written and complex and one of the best characters on the show, and ppl act like she's horrible for... not wanting her husband to cook meth? or taking the money that walter made FOR HER because its "greedy"??? or because she had an affair when walter tried to kiss his BOSS without her consent? absolutely insane how ppl misunderstand the show and her. shes probably my 2nd favorite character because shes such a good depiction of a terrified mother who wants to save her family and people downplay it because "shes annoying". shoutout to skyler white yo

[@lizardycrow2304]

It is insane actually how people slander her for being the most reasonable person in a show about drug dealers

[@StillNoClue22]

What? I didn’t even know people hated Skylar (or Skyler? I thought it was spelled with an A tbh) I think she’s a good written character. Like her husband is literally cooking METH AND on top of that, like op said the money was for the family in the first place so it’s fine for her to take it. It’s like giving someone a present and the person takes it and the gift giver gets angry. Like what?

[@karlafernanda2715]

Honestly, people who hate on her like that give me sexist vibes. They're also usually the same people who idolize Walter and still see him as the good guy, just hating on Skyler for getting in the way of their male fantasy. The show even explicitly said that Walter never did it for his family, he did it for his own EGO, or otherwise he would have accepted Elliot and Gretchen's help when they offered it

[@Zitronen_]

LITERALLY sklyer went thru insane trauma and people villainize her for absolutely no reason at all.

[@itsdripnovababy]

REAL! I’ve never watched the show, but my fam has talked LOADS about it, and what I’ve heard about Skyler White makes me question why people hate her so much. The hate for Skyler White kinda reminds me of the hate for Pam from the Office, who is MY FAVORITE CHARACTER FROM THE OFFICE BY THE WAY. The reason I like Pam is because, in the later seasons, she learns to stand up for herself and take risks, and she ends up living a successful life because of it! Also she can be genuinely funny sometimes.

[@noazil6890]

In many fandoms, people's hate to whiny/crybaby characters. I love them usually, finally a chracter who actually shows emotions and isn't just confidant. Probably because I relate to them more. Like the hatred for season 1 Deku, Kobeni and more characters i cant remember now.

[@thediscodevil0949]

I agree. :) As far as I know, the Zelda fandom actually seems to be ok with crybaby characters (like Red from the Four Swords manga). Then there are Mario fans. People hate Mallow because he cries, like, three times in the entire game (he’s my favourite character though, lol). Even the game calls him a crybaby a few times. Bruh… He doesn’t even cry that much-

[@BassGal92]

There's a difference between lack of confidence and showing emotions vs being crybabies all the time. The first one is normal. The second one isn't.

[@bumbabees]

i just started rewatching mha after not having anything to do with it for a couple years and i swear, i do not understand what the hell people are talking about with izuku being an annoying crybaby. he ISNT. complaining about characters like mineta and zenitsu i understand, 'cause their whiny ass voices get very grating very quickly. but izuku was never like that. hes just emotional. and thats FINE, i dont get why people are acting like its an issue that he cries a lot and is an emotional person. i see this pretty much all the time with characters that cry a lot, but it seems a lot worse with male characters and its stupid. emotions arent a weakness, crying a lot is GOOD and i will fucking die on this hill!!!

[@K.KLovelyz]

The hate for Deku just because he isn't afraid to cry is insane. If it was like the situation from Tokyo Revengers, where the MC cries every 5 minutes, I'd understand, but Deku doesn't cry NEARLY enough for the hate to be justifiable

[@MostPretentiousWritingNe-kz8ii]

Yes! This! Like, sometimes a character is even very composed and strong but dare they have one moment where they cry. People will get angry over them. Like, are we forgetting, that he saved a whole town from getting whiped out just a few arcs ago?

[@lionconstellation]

Katara from AtLA, she gets way too much hate for her character, and some of the fandom are hypocrites when it comes to criticizing stuff Katara does when characters like i.e., Sokka, Toph, Zuko, etc. have arguably done more times, or to a worse degree and they don't get any criticism over it. in my experience it is rarer to find someone in the fandom who likes Katara than dislikes her and I think that's incredibly sad.

[@genericname2747]

I like Katara

[@murmurcub]

I always see takes like this one in twitter, but I've never saw any person complaining about Katara seriously, I've seen people doing it sarcastically. Can someone give sources? I'm really curious to see if this was something common when the majority of the fans were minors, or they exist and happen to be the incel type of fans.

[@pandemony4255]

@@murmurcubWell I’m not exactly on the twitter or tumblr side of fandom, but I can give my perspective as someone who read a lot of Atla fics on ao3 a couple years back. A common trend of Katara hate that I’ve noticed is that it’s usually expressed in relation to Zuko, specifically in fics in which Zuko joins or attempts to join the gaang It can be mild sometimes, I read this fic where Zuko joins the gaang, katara’s kinda mean. Withholds food and stuff. Not too bad, and it’s usually remedied by the end, with Katara and zuko ending up as friends. Katara’s usually the main antagonist(not villain, antagonist. I mean, as in the main obstacle to the objective, ie Zuko joining the group) or the hardest to win over, which is understandable, considering canon. Depending on post-cave betrayal incident or katara’s dislike of firebenders in general cause of what happened to her mother, unfavourable portrayals of katara can vary. But sometimes, stuff can get really ooc. As in, Katara is portrayed as a genuinely unlikeable character, who goes out of her way to make life miserable for Zuko. Mostly in a way that’s like, influencing the others in the team, especially Aang. Read one that made Katara some sort of psychopathic mind manipulator. It also portrayed the rest of the gang as ineffective, aang’s pacifism as idealistic, etc etc. Generally speaking, it’s more of a Zuko -centrism that affects most of the characters, but especially Katara, probably due to their particularly unfriendly relationship in canon. At least, that’s my experience. Who knows, maybe I was just stuck on a specific part of ao3 lol. I’d like to hear what others think about this haha.

[@Dandelions479]

​@@murmurcubreddit being the hell hole it is has a few. Though I've never seen someone make their own post about it, it's more like when a "Why does Katara get so much Hate" is written, THEN the comments actually show the hate. So in short, people who hate her wanna argue.

[@itsdripnovababy]

People hate Katara? I love her, she’s so mom (which the cast desperately needs, being mom IS A GOOD THING), and she’s got her moments to shine (like when she sweat bends to break herself out of jail). She is so interesting a character, and I love her, and this is coming from a Toph megafan.

[@pale_hispanic2429]

This isn’t specific to any fandom in particular, but I don’t like how people try to use some moral basis to justify their hate for certain characters. It gets weird really quick. Most of it is based on double standards too. Some characters will be canonically wayyy eviler but they won’t get near as much hate. Like you draw the line at homophobia but not at mass murder?? Just say you don’t like the character. You don’t need to have moral justification for every opinion you have.

[@blueghost4769]

Yeah I've seen a character i like being headcanoned as homophobic for this reason, even though he probably wouldn't be. I can totally accept if someone dislikes/hates him, but this is just uncomfortable.

[@babyblouie]

I think it has to do w social expectations and personal experience. Like, if there's mass murder in a show, the averege viewer probably knows that it is wrong and distances themselves from it , while if there's homophobia in a show, the averege viewer may genuinely agree with it, which makes potraying it more complex than mass murder even though the latter is worse. Though I do really wish people could look at things critically

[@plswatchinfinitytrain]

FR!! I feel like people sometimes say this sort of stuff to make themselves seem superior in their own opinion. I find it incredibily annoying. It's fine to just dislike a character because you don't like them!!!

[@eliasmg9144]

Case in point, the miraculous ladybug fandom. A lot of people are quick to criticize Marinette for the smallest thing, yet Chloe always gets a pass because "she was trying to become a good person and Thomas astruc ruined her redemption arc". It's so silly.

[@aniboo8668]

@@LunaticoniSolar "i want to put basil in a blender" get in line bud!!

[@anonymesreh4106]

The way you narrate always makes me believe that you‘re an active member of every fandom that is mentioned 😭 It sounds so authentic, I love it 😂

[@StillNoClue22]

Filler episodes. Personally, I kinda like filler episodes. If it’s just random filler right before the finale then… probably not but sometimes its nice to just see the characters interacting and having fun. Sometimes filler is just fanservice though and it kinda sucks but otherwise filler is fine to me.

[@-mayari-]

The thing is that filler episodes help the consumer get more invested into the characters and their motivations! Avatar: the Last Airbender, for example, had amazing filler episodes that helped you love the characters and root for them in the end. Filler should be prized, and the reason that many shows released today aren't as good as their older counterparts are because we just don't care about the characters that much. How will eight episodes with a 20 minute runtime convince me to love these characters and root for their motivations? In conclusion, filler is beautiful--provided it isn't really weird--and should be treasured.

[@genericname2747]

There's only one show that I absolutely hated the filler of, and that was Steven Universe. That show did not know how to pace itself.

[@StillNoClue22]

@@-mayari-YES ALL THE WAY. Making this comment really all I could think about was Atla.

[@-mayari-]

@@StillNoClue22 :DDD

[@AryTehCapricat]

Most of what people complain about as filler isn’t filler at all. It’s there on purpose for world building and characterization. Real filler is when a bunch of buffer episodes are made so the source material it’s based on can get ahead.

[@AnthanKrufix]

The main justification of pure-evil villains is that they push other characters like the protagonists or even other less evil antagonists to change around them.. Like, if you have a protagonist who doesn't like fighting and would prefer to reason with the bad guy, now they can't and will need to find something else.. Or if they order their henchmen to do something it can be a character defining moment if the henchmen hesitate which could possibly set up a future heel-face-turn... etc.. They're not exactly supposed to be likable, beyond sometimes the pure catharsis of how they act and speak.

[@tsifirakiehl4250]

The release of new content. I’m a Pokémon fan, and every time a game releases, half of everyone starts wailing about how the new graphics are ugly and the franchise is “rUiNeD fOrEvEr!1!1!” The only Pokémon game I haven’t enjoyed was Legends: Arceus, and that one game not being fun for me hasn’t ruined the whole franchise. It didn’t take away any of the older games that I loved, and it didn’t stop newer games that are more to my taste from being released. I don’t understand the vitriol toward new content.

[@christophermitchell9739]

ONE OF MY PEOPLE! I agree with everything you just said.

[@yellowturtle14]

And as soon as a new game is released, the previous few "oh god what have they done" games become the next fan favourites. Like, what??

[@FizzieWebb]

Thank you. By Arceus, thank you... I remember people spent years mocking SwSh's art style, only for those same people to be like "Noooo! I wanted the Sinnoh Remakes to look like the games we just spent the past 2 years complaining about!" I'm just waiting for some new formes for the upcoming Legends Z-A to be revealed and we'll see the vitriolic side of the fandom come crawling out to rail on them, saying they've ruined the original formes just by existing. The worst thing is, it would be so easy to avoid all the vitriol.. if Google didn't just go "oh, you search for this franchise a lot, here's allll the negative takes on it."

[@moxiemouse24]

also the bit of hate I've seen toward any non mainline games (like Pokémon Go)

[@darkiusmc979]

Never thought I'd see someone who mirrored my thoughts so well. I didn't like Legends: Arceus, simply because I didn't find it very fun. I went on as long as I did because I had a friend who said it got good a few areas in, but my thoughts hadn't changed by the time I made it to the last area, so I put the game down for months. I eventually picked it back up with the goal to finish it so I could have a firm idea of whether I liked it or not, got to the climax of the main story, still didn't like it. Beat up Dialga for two days until my team was near max level and steamrolled the rest of the game. Most of my playtime it in these days is catching things to transfer to other games I like more.

[@chadnorris8257]

The main draw that completely evil Disney villains have is that they're usually enjoying themselves so much while they do it. I think this is one reason why the Black Cauldron movie didn't do as well. If given the chance to watch Ursula from Little Mermaid, or the Horned King from Cauldron, people have more fun watching Ursula sing about "Poor unfortunate souls!"

[@CallMeCrazyCallMePoor]

Jar Jar feels like a smarter addition to Star Wars than he gets credit for. He was introduced as comic relief and gained high miltary status as a gag, but Palpatine saw his naivity and used him as an unwitting pawn in converting the Republic to an Empire. It's actually one of the few subtler pieces of political commentary in the films. None of the other comic relief characters were moved out of that role. They hadn't had a character like him before. He was the key to all of this!

[@not-so-obvious_autism777]

Jar Jar was my favorite character as a kid just because he was so goofy, I don’t understand why he’s so hated to the point where there are theories accusing him of being a Sith

[@genericname2747]

@@not-so-obvious_autism777 Jar Jar was my favourite character as a kid and I love the sith theory. The comic relief secretly being a villain is awesome.

[@RaichuWizDom]

Clone Wars series really went a long way towards redeeming him in the end, too. All the stuff he does makes way more sense once you realise he's almost literally a fish out of water. Try going swimming for more than an hour and then go for a walk. Your body needs to adjust to the shift in gravity, so you end up feeling 'off'. Now imagine that doesn't go away. Yeah, I can see some clumsiness coming out of that. The other Gungans don't show this, but it's very possible Jar Jar just belonged in water by default, and he's not the only nautical character in canon. Granted, his intelligence and lack of wisdom isn't excused by that. But again: fish out of water. He thinks fast, and he's unpredictable, which has its own virtues. It would have been nice to see him shine on the big screen like he did on the little screen.

[@goldenfiberwheat238]

That’s a cope. George Lucas isn’t smart enough to think of that

[@BearlyAiden]

I loved Jar Jar as a kid. He was also made for kids!

[@ianossia2070]

Nearly 90% of people in the Deltarune fandom DESPISE Berdly, but I have no clue why. He’s not even that annoying, just funny in my opinion. Plus, he’d also given a reason as to why he acts the way he does. Yet, most relish in murdering him in the Snowgrave route.

[@Ammiteur9]

Good ol' projection

[@Engardian]

Oh I fucking hated him at first. But by the Queen fight he was my favourite character of the chapter.

[@veemarcia]

FACTS!!! He's a wonderful character.

[@sunnydraws2513]

He's a doofus and an idiot, but he's ultimately harmless. Even if I didn't love him, I never wanted to see him suffer or anything. I felt bad for him when Queen was controlling him.

[@alyiflareon629]

Characters who have an arc going through grief, and during their grief arc at some point they lash out emotionally. Major characters that come to mind are Aubrey (Omori) and Yukari Takeba (Persona 3), heaven forbid a teenager with little adult guidance lash out when dealing with strong negative emotions and finish their arc with apologizing to anyone they had said outbursts against and try to make any kind of amends (not regarding whether those characters do forgive them or stick around etc just regarding their arcs).

[@alyiflareon629]

AND THE SUNFLOWER/OMORI ONE. I don't stick around in the fandom anymore because of this particularly. People have such annoying reactions about mental illness while saying how much they want mental health acknowledged. All the characters have trauma but they're put into little boxes that are either "bitch", "toxic" or "ueu" spending on who you like and hate, "the funny one with no problem", "adult", and adding this to all their ships. And of course your ships say whether you're a morally correct person in their eyes, and it's gotten to the point of racism and other things because the ships are more important than the story! Yay!

[@gyppygirl2021]

As someone who came to deeply appreciate Yukari after Persona 4 Arena Ultimax, THANK YOU. Girl gets way too much flak for something that actually makes perfect sense. The game that got me invested in her character might take place after her character arc, but The Answer is still there, it's still very much a thing that happened, _and it's perfectly fine._

[@Mx.muffin]

In the FNaF fandom, I absolutely hate it when people hate the children and demonize them because they did certain actions. This is specifically for Elizabeth A. and Gregory, both who have done some pretty bad things, but many of those actions are because... They're children. Of course Gregory is going to destroy the glamrocks because he's trying to survive, and of course Elizabeth is going to follow her father because she grew up with him and wants his love. They. Are. Children. (Although, I could be a bit bias, as I love these characters, and I do understand if they dislike them, but outright hate them seems unreasonable).

[@montserratmarroquin400]

As someone who doesn’t really like the MCI (not because I am a William Stan) It’s not really because they act like kids but it’s because they’re not the saint’s that people paint them out to be (what I mean by this is that while the MCI were tramautized kids that doesn’t mean they didn’t murder people who where innocent) and the fandom kind of just glosses over that especially since the excuse doesn’t make that much sense once you consider that the last thing the kids would have seen when they died would have been a bunny costume but I don’t think of them as demons or evil but I do wish that people did acknowledge this more but I don’t really understand the hate for Elizabeth and Gregory (but from what I have heard people hate him because he lied to Freddy)

[@madisonyomans9004]

I never tunderstanding the Gregory hate train and his role in the game. In the game, you play as a child protagonist who is trapped in a pizzeria with animatronics that were once loved and idolized, but are now hunting you down to kill you. It can be quite scary, and you may feel like destroying all electronics to survive. Some people blame Gregory for the mimic incident, but it was actually an animatronic that could mimic things, not Gregory. When you hear the mimic speaking on the radio, it may seem like Gregory is talking, but it's actually the mimic. Although the mimic gets scooped, in the game, nothing stays dead in the universe, so you should always be cautious of what you see.

[@billie-ve_in_yourself6464]

People hate them for that? Gregory was a gremlin raccoon child who has every right to destroy animatronics trying to kill him. Elizabeth was raised by a serial killer and was tormented/experimented on, she’s going to be unhinged. That’s part of her character and we love her for it. I enjoy that the children have nuance to them. Charlie is sweet and protective, Michael is trying to redeem himself, Gregory is trying to survive at all costs, and Cassidy is the vengeful spirit archetype.

[@scopeawl]

I never got the gregory hate, hes one of my favourite protagonists in the series and he and Glam Freddy are some of the only good things coming from Sb.

[@FairFeline]

WARNING FOR A BIT OF A RANT (BSD) 11:04 my only issue with this defense of Mori is the fact he IS openly attracted to little girls, to the point where other characters acknowledge his pedophile behavior. It’s perfectly okay to like a character who is evil, and does bad things. In fact it’s mainly younger fans (18 year olds and under) who ignore Dazai, Akutagawa, and Chuuya’s wrong doings. Most of the fandom embraces those aspects of the characters as it furthers the complexity of them (especially manga readers). The issue is when Mori fans ignore or defend the fact he’s a pedophile instead of acknowledging his problems. I myself think is a very good character, and I hate him. You can like a character and ACKNOWLEDGE that they are in the wrong. This argument that Elise is an extension of himself is defending against a confirmed fact about the series. Mori is a pedo. A lot of BSD fans online are younger, and don’t understand that they don’t have to complain under every piece of fanart, or every fanfic that portrays him as good, that “why would you like him, he’s a pedo/creep”. It sucks to see hate towards a character you like, while those same people praise characters that are morally wrong and excuse their crimes. But arguing against him being bad in the ways he is, makes you just like them!

[@ninanadine1185]

I like Moris charachter he is one of my favorites but I agree with this. He was litterally a creep to yosano so when other mori fans say he isn't a pedophile its like: no he is clearlyyyyy a creep

[@confusedfrog294]

Agreed! I’m not a Mori fan, but he’s a good villain that fulfills his role in the story well. I see why people like him and that’s totally okay. On the other hand, trying to deny his abuse and pedophilia, both extremely explicit parts of his character, is not only silly but dangerous. It’s okay to like a fictional character who is an awful person, it’s not okay to defend/deny their actions.

[@Mothpuff]

I think a lot of the bsd fandom needs to learn that they can like a character while accepting that they are morally wrong and should not be defended. Mori is an extremely interesting character, and he's a very well written villain, and it's perfectly okay to like him for those reasons. "I like this character" and "this character is in the right" are two different statements that don't have to be connected. A lot of Mori fans and Mori haters both have this problem.

[@adeuce.]

yeah like chuuya and nikolai are sum of my favs and i would literally never let them breathe near my children but whatever (same w dazai sadly hes so grr but i love him like a alley cat)

[@onebear6504]

Not sure of the situation as the only thing I know of BSD is some clips of cool moments. I do relate with liking this character but the way the community that likes this character defends them is so bad that I just don't see the community of the series in a good light anymore...

[@CreativaArtly]

For MLP, flurry heart and twilight’s ascension to alicornhood. It’s cool that a child almost caused eternal winter. Also, on the alicorn twilight thing, how she got her wings was fine. Not everything has to be a result of a battle. This is a show for kids that us adults just happen to like. 😊😊😊.

[@zillycat8534]

Yeah! And everyone saying that she only existed for toys, I mean, it’s possible this is true, especially since there were so many toys of her But that doesn’t mean she can’t be an interesting addition, I feel like babies get hated on too much?

[@carrot708]

If you watched the series 3 finale and then could watch the series 4 premier the same day, you'll never understand why Twilycorn hate took root as deep as it did after season 3. It used to be *worse* before season 4 redeemed the concept

[@edatheowllady9518]

I secretly watch it too. I'm trying to get caught up on the rest of the story

[@CreativaArtly]

@@edatheowllady9518 I proudly watch MLP. There’s no secret here.

[@montserratmarroquin400]

I never understood the hate for alicorn twilight, I mean it makes sense, she made a huge mess because she messed up a spell (It was more of Celestia’s fault since she just gave her the spell without warning), then she decided to make up a plan and fix it herself while using friendship and teamwork, and at the end she ended up completing the spell, something that the wizard couldn’t even do. Also the same with Flurry, she is literally a born alicorn whose father is pretty much the strongest knight and her mother is the alicorn of love, a love so powerful it destroyed Chrysalis and her other chanchelings so of course she is going to be super powerful

[@emilycollins2641]

The way the Voltron Fandom hates any ship that has Kieth or Lance in it and isn't Klance. Like, I see the appeal, and I agree that Lance probably shouldn't have ended up with Allura, but dear lord. Just let me enjoy my Garrison Trio in peace!

[@thisisapictureofmydog.isnt9208]

That whole fandom was rancid honestly

[@not-so-obvious_autism777]

I may like Klance but I won’t force other people to ship it or get mad about it, like come on bro you’re better than that 💀💀🖐🏽 Also, nice Picrew pfp 👌🏽✨

[@purplepedantry]

This is a good time to mention that the cupcakes were a lie. It literally never happened.

[@yellowturtle14]

Hell yeah, the Garrison Trio is hella cute as a ship!

[@magamen2433]

I've started Voltron, because I watched a cool Plance animation and thought there was canon evidence. Plance had been my favourite ship in the fandom since and I totally get you!

[@catsandclassics]

Riordanverse fan here, Jason Grace. Pretty much all of the hate on him boils down to "he's boring" (which isn't true) and "he's not Percy" (which is such a dumb reason).

[@christophermitchell9739]

Percy is my favorite character, but Jason was the one I related to. I almost stopped reading the series entirely after The Burning Maze, but decided to finish the series. But I haven't picked up anything Rick put out afterwards and I never will again. To hell with the Trials of Apollo and Jason's death and the break up and everything else

[@SleepingRightNow12]

fr i feel like im the only one who DID enjoy TLH

[@Lilyrose-Violet]

I disliked him at first, but i think his POV’s in Blood of Olympus were really good, for the most part.

[@Seami-bz6bt]

This is so real. Jason isn't my favourite character but I don't hate him. He's actually quite chill. My mom loves him though, he's her favourite character (she's a huge Riordanverse fan lol)

[@selenalulamoon1167]

Redemption has become a hated thing in any fandoms.

[@UltimateDespairado]

I hate forced redemptions that make no sense

[@selenalulamoon1167]

@UltimateDespairado good thing non I've seen were forced and were foreshadowed quite clearly.

[@digitaltailsmon4096]

As someone with an overt bias to redemption arcs (namely in Precure) I’m sorry to hear this. Honestly redemption arcs are truly incredible if done well and just add to already great stories. Especially if it allows characters to escape terrible lives and find a found family to help them through their grief and guilt of past actions and move forward.

[@mally_draws3023]

I also noticed that the hate against modern disney has become ridiculously big, and I can agree that their writing and animation are becoming increasingly worse, or that they should treat their employees better, but most hate boils down to "disney has become too woke" and people straight up blaming minorities just for existing and wanting to have some representation

[@goldenfiberwheat238]

People on the internet don’t seem to realize that this stuff isn’t real so if they don’t like it they can just ignore it

[@edatheowllady9518]

I do fall into that hate train. I just can't stand the live action remakes. For one it's like it doesn't even seem to work most of the time? Like you can do way more with animation for stuff like that. Second it just feels soulless overall. Like I'm not a hardcore original Disney fan and I didn't mind the remakes at first (because I knew I'd never watch them) but they just kept making MORE. I mean just give it a rest! (I did end up seeing the Cinderella remake at one point and it wasn't too bad? So there's that at least)

[@Hadeshy]

Especially when Disney's representation isn't even genuine. It's just a way to seem progressive to people who aren't willing to look further. Their target isn't minorities. It's people who aren't against minorities but aren't allies either who will think "aw, that's great, now I can watch this movie thinking it's a good thing", AND the "anti-woke" crowd because THEY KNOW that crowd will make lots of noise and make them free advertising

[@rossycheif1012]

I'm mostly ok with a lot of newer Disney movies but god damit do I hate what they did with wish! They took our first villain couple from us! And the songs were honestly really bad.

[@username.exenotfound2943]

theres wanting representation and theres swapping a white character for a minority since if it had been the otherway EVERYONE knows the pitchforks would be out so i dont like the double standard when it comes to that, then you have te morons claiming it dont matter but if that was the case then it wouldn't be changed. make a new fucking story and nobody will give a shit. anyway the real hate for disney isnt what you are claiming it is(professional victimism) its the fact they have fucked star wars sideways and at this rate shafted marvel just not as hard however id stilll argue marvel isnt as good as those people claim it was sure infinity war was high but that's in a league of its own and that the newer disney cartoons are just slop like wish or they made pixar made 1 too many poor sequels like the incredibles or toy story 4(both uneeded)

[@samboi123]

Pokémon Sword and Shield. They have the same charm that all Pokemon games have, the same gameplay loop, a lot of the same mechanics and individual mon. Yet most of the fandom takes any opportunity to hate on them, and for what? Not being as graphically stunning as other switch games, when the series has a history of being average or below for the device it’s on? Not having X thing that was exclusively in someone’s first game? The few flaws SWSH have are shared with every mainline game in the franchise, yet they get hate like they’re a bad turn on the timeline. Sword was my first pokemon game, and I loved it! I really don’t get the hate for this generation.

[@jamie1602]

I'm a Pearl and Diamond hater. Sword and Shield were great. But the original Pearl and Diamond? I didn't bother finishing it. It wasn't fun. The remakes took what little fun I had away from them and I'm still sitting at four badges wondering why even bother. I want to have fun.

[@IceFireofVoid]

It's because of Dexit. The moment it was announced, people decided the game would be bad. Long before it even released. They were so primed and desperate for the game to be bad that they went out of their way to hyperfocus on every single flaw they could find and ignore all the positives. Every issue people have with Sw/Sh was the same or worse in X&Y. They are fine.

[@Ammiteur9]

I also think the artstyle of Sword and Shield are so pretty, so it's super sad to see people bash on that. The Games were always intended to have a Manga look, and Sword and Shield do that very well, and I've seen people call it "boring because it's realistic" or "unoriginal because it doesn't have an artstyle" of all things, as if the Pokémon artstyle isn't absolutely stunning.

[@scopeawl]

Honestly SwSh was SO much better than SV.

[@something-bitstudios831]

I didnt buy the game, but thought I would enjoy the older games, so I tried FireRed. Liked the graphics (I like pixelart) but only got two badges before dropping the game. The game feels like it is for children (it is), so it makes sense that comparing it with, for example, earthbound is unfair. Still, I expected more based on peoples opinions about the old games. One game I recommend is Pokemon: too many types The game adds types like crab, silly, gamer, uno reverse, ohio and more. It also fixes the HM issues.

[@aetherroses]

I. Do. Not. Get. The hate towards rarepairs and crackships. I think in the past, rarepairs and crackships used to be a lot more accepted either as a joke or people thinking it was revolutionary! But in today's fandom culture...yeah naw, you either have to like a popular ship or proceed to be pointed at for liking something else or get comments like this; "Bro these characters never interacted before, why does this exist 💀" "_____ is crying somewhere as he sees his girl or boy be taken by someone he/she doesn't know in game" "Not a fan of ______, but hey the art is cute I guess!" "Nah ______ is cannon, what is this tomfoolery" As someone who grew up with loving many and all kinds of ships, I just feel so out of place when I just don't vibe with certain popular ships, especially ones that bastardizes character's personality to fit a specific, shallow ship trope, a ship that has content riddled with the usual toxic hetero, gay, or lesbian tropes, or God forbid if I prefer two characters to be just friends as they are in cannon. *(intensely stares at the Genshin fandom)*

[@moemoethecoolest]

rarepairs crackships and crosships are so fun cuz you get to imagine everything yourself :3 the people who complain about them would never have survived stuff like Elsa x Jack frost

[@elainez]

I love rarepairs mainly because shipping is a very loose thing with me, and I will read anything if the ship interests me. It's not really about if two characters were together or had chemistry in canon, but which ships would make for a good story and interesting dynamic. I recently finished a fic concerning a two characters that haven't really even talked to each other in canon, but the premise was super interesting and dived really into character analysis. The execution was also amazing, but that's probably because the writer has been writing fics since like before I was born.

[@ArticPeril]

I'm a Genshin fan myself and I've recently dove into crackships and rare pairs. Honestly it's so much fun to see the ways certain characters would interest

[@bumbabees]

its a wild experience, being a multi shipper who really doesnt care that much about them. about 99% of my ships, i just see some art for it or see the tag for a fic on ao3 and get curious, honestly. will never understand the ride or die attitude a lot of shippers have. ill consume content for ships i dont even ship just because its fun, (and good fics for anything exist and i very much enjoy trying to find them) and to me, the whole point of fandom and shipping as a whole. to have lighthearted fun.

What is a rarepair?

[@genericname2747]

Avatar the last airbender: I don't hate the lion turtle. I love mythology and folklore, and gods coming out of nowhere to save the day is normal in those. I love all the little things that foreshadow the Lion Turtles existing, like how Aang sees a picture of one in Wan Shi Tongs library. The energy bending should've been handled better, but I like the Lion Turtle.

[@montserratmarroquin400]

Wait people hated the turtle?

[@SkiggsMoDiggs]

From Warrior Cats, a character named Appledusk. He was in a forbidden relationship with his mate, before it turned out he was cheating on her with someone that was legal/acceptable for him to be with, and turned his back to her. Obviously I'm not excusing cheating or calling him a perfect guy, but he was INSTANTLY villainized for his cheating. I actually find him to be an interesting character. He turned his back to his original mate after they were found out, not to save his own skin, but because she had just tried to cross a raging river and gotten their kittens killed. Given how Appledusk was very familiar with water and knew that would've been a bad idea, not to mention there were other routes to go, he blamed her for those deaths even if it was an accident. He couldn't stand her after that. And it was already hinted he was unhappy in their relationship with how overbearing Mapleshade was, and naive too. Obviously it's very valid to hate Appledusk for cheating, but I don't like how he's just framed to be this completely awful "muahaha I am an incel and I do what I want!" bad guy with no regard for women when, despite his mistake, he cared for his mates the best he could and even died sacrificing himself when the mate he cheated on tried to kill the other mate. You don't have to like him at all, but they could at least not mischaracterize him, especially not for the sake of glorifying the original mate and trying to say she was justified for becoming a mass murderer after he cheated on her. The majority of the fandom seems to think he should have gone to the Dark Forest (basically cat hell) instead of StarClan (basically cat heaven), when he's proven to have been overall a good cat, even if he made a giant mistake, especially since he sacrificed himself for the other mate to save her from a mass murderer. Cheating is NOT okay, but people who cheat are not automatically dark hearted villains. Sometimes it is just a mistake that isn't a reflection of their overall character, and I say this as someone who has been affected by cheating, so I know what I'm talking about. Everyone has done bad things before.

[@fa1ryf0x3s]

YES.

[@RobertPodkosov]

I feel like it's a common problem in Warriors fandom. Complex characters like Hawkheart, Blackstar, Leopardstar and many others are often portrayed as irredeemable villains worthy of Dark Forest. Oh, and Firestar also gets a lot of hate for some reason.

[@warcatfurever101writeroffanfic]

@@RobertPodkosovI only know Firestar is hated because he’s considered “overrated” since the focus has been on him for so long for the first few arcs. But I can’t imagine hating him.

[@Dressup_Doll]

I genuinely forgot Appledusk and was confused until I saw the part with the kits and the river. I don’t remember hating him, I was probably just a bit annoyed at him or something at the time.

[@SkiggsMoDiggs]

@@RobertPodkosov To be fair, at least in my opinion, Hawkfrost isn't very complex. He was just rude, manipulative, and ambitious (I wish he was a more interesting villain). But yes, I adore Blackstar and Leopardstar too for their flaws, yet they're just dismissed as "muahaha evil!!" when they're morally grey at worst

[@Dressup_Doll]

1. Vi “leaving” in Arcane EP3. It’s been debated on, explained that she was kidnapped, etc. I can kinda understand both her and Powder’s thought processes at the time because I could see myself in them both. Vi walked off because she needed to clear her mind, but she got kidnapped. Powder thought she was being abandoned, which made her paranoid later on in life. 2. Gregory from _Security Breach_ and Six from _Little Nightmares._ I love them both, and it hurts to see the fandom vilify them for being scared little kids. Gregory breaks the animatronics to upgrade Freddy and to decommission them so he can be safer. Sure, it’s also so the game can have boss fights, but it also makes some sense in-universe. It makes no sense that he would go back with Vanessa to “fix” the shattered animatronics because they were literally trying to kill him. Six is a scared child trying to survive, yet people call her evil and hate her. I almost hope she isn’t in the third game so I can pretend she’s safe and happy. It doesn’t help that the new lore shows that abused children are the ones that end up in the Nowhere, AKA the world of the game’s settings. Sorry for ranting, I just have a few opinions. Additional things are RE5 and RE8. I’ve been playing them both with my dad, and we love them. I love that RE5 has a split-screen, and it’s genuinely so fun. (I also hoard some ammo whenever he’s busy looking at things). It seems like it has quite a bit of replayability, which is nice. Edit: The Lion-Turtle coming in at the eleventh hour to help Aang curbstomp Ozai. As a writer who loves mythology, that idea slaps. I think it should have been foreshadowed more, but I love it. It really has that wonderful mythological vibe to it.

[@montserratmarroquin400]

I never really understood the hate for Six because while I get that she abandoned Mono people really look over the whole "she’s a kid" thing (especially since the theories do make a lot of sense for her like the music box)

[@Dressup_Doll]

@@montserratmarroquin400I always assumed that she couldn’t take being with Mono due to being left behind constantly and kidnapped twice, so she just left him behind. The devs even stated somewhere that she viewed the final situation differently from Mono and the players. However, I did see someone say that if you break the camera and zoom into the Mufasa scene, you can see Mono nod before she lets go. If that’s true, then she didn’t leave him behind because she hated him but because he allowed her to.

[@michajustmicha1308]

In Jojo's Blizzard Adventure: Sometimes i don't know why so many people hate Jonathan Joestar just because of his "blank character" or "he doesn't have stand", like he have a goal to defeat Dio, besides Jonathan is a true gentleman who will not give up to achieve his dreams and his wholesome.

[@altheac1114]

I'm genuinely suprised ppl hate Jonathan

[@michajustmicha1308]

@@altheac1114 same

[@VoidStaresback]

​@@altheac1114He's my simple soft boy and I don't get why people hate him :(

[@DudeDude319]

When I watched JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure, I loved the story of Jonathan, and wished that he had found a happy ending. I kind of wish that he got more attention nowadays.

[@lizardycrow2304]

I see this not only with Jonathan alone, but with both first and seconds jojo parts. People dislike them mostly because there are no stands I guess. But damn first two parts are so charmingly ridiculous and I love them for that Battle Tendency is sure my favorite. I have some favorite parts further but I am most likely to reread/rewatch the first two due to good pacing and lighter feel. ALSO IN ANIME THESE PARTS HAVE THE MOST GORGEOUS ARTSYLE???? LIKE?????????? Phantom Blood feels a bit rushed in anime so I think it is good to encourage people read the manga to get the whole vibe.

[@joghnythegurue2710]

My issue with Lunter is more with Lunter "fans"; IE way too much of the art I see for the pairing is just Luz cheating on Amity. It's like they're reveling in "turning the bi girl straight" or ship it purely to spite the people who appreciate sapphic rep (even though liking guys doesn't make em straight, it makes them BI!). That or it's some weird incest and/or cheating fetish. Also, I second literally everything said about Amy. No matter what they do SOME people hate it and make it some kind of outrage.

[@genericname2747]

Yeah and Lunter fans get so mad when you ask why they ship it. At least in my experience

[@platinumg.8614]

Maybe is a reveange thing shit going on because people got really BAD when shipped Lunter because this would be a disrespect Lumity some shit. But like... Fanon exist and also Luz is Bissexual. Maybe is something something with the problem with bisexuality in general because LGBT isnt always cool with them. Is kinda sad.

[@kgt6776]

But... people don't need reasons to ship something. ​@@genericname2747

[@kgt6776]

​@@genericname2747but... people don't need to have a reason to ship something?

[@genericname2747]

@@kgt6776 If you ship something uncommon you have to expect people asking why

[@realdragon]

I agree partially with Disney statement. Although I don't think many new animated movies from Disney are that good I think too many people shit on Disney while saying everything that DreamWorks does is masterpiece But I do agree that we don't need "Evil Mac Evilton" in every single movie, the lack of bad guy doesn't make movie bad and it's good to have variety instead seeing same thing over and over again. I actually liked Turning Red and it didn't have person who main character killed in the end

[@cerpiper]

Exactly. Im sick of people comparing Disney to Dreamworks, i've seen so many of people doing it

[@giantpinkcat]

People who still think DreamWorks is doing better than Disney are stuck in late 2022, like have you NOT SEEN DreamWorks' newest movies? 💀

[@realdragon]

@@giantpinkcat People actually seen them but still defend DW.

[@jamie1602]

@@giantpinkcatPuss in Boots 2 was great but every time I take a breath I try to pretend they didn't ruin Trolls. I try. I just...try, you know? I try and pretend that it didn't happen. But then it's in my face and they have that new intro so I just retreat into a hole and wish it was the 90s and Shrek didn't happen and I could watch El Dorado on repeat.

[@montserratmarroquin400]

I also find some of the hate towards great movies really weird like onward, especially since that was a really fun and emotional movie and it had a great message too (also soul like that was an existential crisis and I loved it)

[@gerstein03]

1:10 I personally don't mind Aang's aversion to killing Ozai. It's the get out of jail free card he gets at the eleventh hour that lets him avoid a pesky moral dilemma. The whole energybending plotline should've been introduced a lot sooner and the process of acquiring the ability should've been more in depth than just "magic turtle mentioned once in season two just gives it to Aang." This is something I'm hoping Netflix does better

[@RealCryptoTest]

Unfortunately as a chronic writer, my primary fanbase that I’m in is my own book and it consists of me and one of my friends and we tend to agree on things.

[@gvnlessktchn]

been super hyperfixated on hazbin hotel lately. IT STARTS WITH SORRY. such a cute song that’s rlly important as it’s the start of pentious’s redemption, yet it’s hated for being slow or because pentious’s voice is annoying. i can understand not liking it over the other songs in the series, a lot of songs are just going to be liked more, but like?? i still feel like it’s severely overhated. not only is it important to pentious’s character but he’s just so damn cute in it, like even if you don’t like the song you cannot tell me the two blinks on beat or his “i’m so sORRYYYY” aren’t adorable. not only that but the chord progression is just super satisfying to listen to (just listen to the ascending progression on “twisting trail of hearts” it’s SO GOOD). idk man i just like pentious a lot and can appreciate a good song for him :3

[@DrawciaGleam02]

I think there are more annoying voices than Pentious IMO.

[@nicolas._.2294]

That song is hated? For me, I can't stand loser baby beca of angel voice, no offence but it's like it ain't matching

[@BookWyrmOnAString]

Ppl hate it? It's one of my fav songs in the series

[@sunsetter4940]

I adore that song its goofy and feels Disney like. Maybe the lyrics are too hard to take seriously but the way the characters act is hilarious (Charlie does her best, pentious is overdramatic and vaggie and angel just want to shank him.)

[@-StarryNight-fc1qy]

Omg finally someone talks about it starts with sorry. I really don’t like it (by which I mean I don’t listen to it) but people hate on it wayyy too much

[@Celestia282]

Show: "Here is a mediocre side character who does nothing." Fandom: "That's fine. I love side characters." Show: "Here is a mediocre side character who does nothing and is a girl." Fandom: "This is literally the worst thing ever. Why would you do this?" And, of course, they'll get mad if you accuse them of misogyny.

[@babyblouie]

Fully disagree with the grill one, she’s a confirmed trans woman and even if she’s fictional, no one would be debating her pronouns that much if she wasn’t trans, and why does it matter that she’s a bad person???? She can be both a horrible person AND trans, they have nothing to do with each other and I have no idea why op even brought that up

[@marrocovin]

mhm. trans characters in media are important, its just that the creators mostly played her identity as a joke (take this with a bucket of salt, i havent read or seen black butler). misgendering even a fictional character seems wrong (unless it is a transgender headcanon, like a canon male character being headcanoned to be mtf - even then, you gotta disclose that) because how would we know if you wont do that in real life? unless youre writing pre-trans/egg fanfics, you shouldnt really be using the wrong pronouns for characters

[@YourWaywardDestiny]

@@marrocovin The manga-ka of Black Butler _started_ Grell's gender identity off as a joke, it has become cemented as a genuine portrayal, just as a note on how it's going.

[@marrocovin]

@@YourWaywardDestiny thanks for the clarification! then that proves my point even more, her gender identity as a trans women is fully solidified

[@everythingz888]

Yeah that post rubbed me the wrong way…Grell may not be real but that’s not an excuse to use the incorrect pronouns. It’s also a respect thing-same reason why when you are talking about someone you don’t like you still use the correct pronouns. It isn’t a privilege one has to earn, it’s a basic right

[@sophitiaofhyrule]

I've seen people say the same thing about real people, like "I'm going to misgender this person because they don't deserve to be called by their preferred pronoun". Notice how they never misgender cis people who do bad things...

[@clonnie-cloo]

for me personally, as someone somewhere in the bi zone, i've always been a little mehhhh about ships like luz/hunter, just because even though luz is bi, it also is a pretty big deal that she gets to be in a canon same sex relationship onscreen and i feel like i don't feel comfortable taking away from that. (although, multishipping is a thing. and also polyamory is a thing.) but i have seen people saying that about bi/pan characters who aren't canonically in a relationship, that shipping them with someone of the opposite gender is "taking away their queerness" and like what??? it literally isn't! if anything, you're erasing their sexuality by acting like queer people in "straight passing" (i hate that phrase) relationships arent really queer!

[@ItzMuffinzz]

I agree. Like I get that one ship that isn’t even that popular isn’t hurting anyone but also the Lunter ship feels kinda invalidating to Dana and all the work she put into getting Lumity to be canon. I’m not gonna go and attack anyone over the ship but that doesn’t mean I like it.

[@tuesfay]

honestly, i always felt meh about lunter just bc i always thought of them as like... siblings (i don't mind other people shipping them though obv, they're not actually siblings), but i fully agree!! i honestly am not the biggest fan of lumity either (i'm not super crazy about any ships tbh, though i like huntlow), but i have an incredible amount of respect for dana and everyone who worked to make it canon, and i'm really glad we're getting queer representation in cartoons.

[@WillTheWise04]

I don't really watch Owl House, but as a huge Gravity Falls fan I totally get it. Back when that was airing, Disney wouldn't even let Alex put an old lesbian couple in the backround of ONE scene of ONE episode. And now there's a main character with a canon queer relationship. That's a huge achievement. So although I don't really have an opinion on the ships since I don't watch that show, I totally understand people who feel uncomfortable with ships like that. 😅

[@edatheowllady9518]

@@ItzMuffinzzi can see that actually and I'm not a lunter shipper either just cuz it's not my thing. People still don't have to be lunatics about people shipping it though

[@tigerlover2853]

Basil from OMORI, I don't really know why people hate him so much.

[@different-name]

FR!!! He's my favorite, and I think he's such a complex and interesting character. I genuinely don't understand how people can reduce him to 'he hung Mari? he bad'. Like, there's way more than just that, yk?

[@Kyumifun]

i like him. they hate him for multiple reasons. - Bc they like Aubrey more (they are on two sides of a conflict) - bc he barely got any screentime so we couldn't get attatched to him as much as we did with the other characters (this point is similar to the point above ppl like Aubrey bc they saw her more) - bc he was the one to suggest faking Mari's death even though he did it cause he didn't wanted Sunny to get in trouble (or just the idea that that was one of his first thoughts, as A KID which is supposed to be a sign he's a sociopath according to them?? I mean, yeah he has issues and such, but he's not a sociopath or anything) - femboy sexualisation This is my personal problem i have with not just Basil (e.g Ralsei from Deltarune). Fans can be utterly disgusting, especially those who can't resist the urge to announce their sick fetishes bc their favorite (underage) character was brought up. Well, this comes up specifically during the topics of shipping.

[@ranchustars3050]

i second this, he’s very complex and honestly kind of relatable.

[@genericname2747]

I really hate him for his actions, but love the character. Like, I think he's a messed up boy who did something horrible, but I love that the story goes into why he did it, and shows how absolutely messed up his mental state is.

[@almost_raymond]

i agree he's really well written, also. to the omori fandom as a whole. if you hate basil morally but support sunny morally you're a hypocrite.

[@queeniemarigold]

I always love seeing new videos from this channel, genuinely makes my days better when I see new ones have been posted!

[@Zhavari]

Yeah as a writer and fanfic reader it’s a lot of fun, I learn a lot of stuff :D

[@Whyiseveryhandletaken6942]

Fandom when a character is a 1-dimensional Mary Sue: Angery Fandom when a character isn’t a 1-dimensional Mary Sue: Angery

[@tirzahroseroot]

Thank you!

[@BookWyrmOnAString]

Real estate voice: its sexism (I'm not sure how to convey the "it's free real estate" meme in text form)

[@jclkaytwo]

​​@@BookWyrmOnAStringfemale character: exists haters: it's free real estate is this what you were intending?

[@BookWyrmOnAString]

@@jclkaytwo correct

[@littleolme7877]

Undertale fan here. A bunch of things (spoiler warning): - The AUs. I think they are cool. Other than Underswap and a bit of Underfell, I never engaged with them that much, but it didn't annoy me either, I loved seeing people have fun with alternate versions of characters I loved. - The fact that Sans is so popular. Granted, I might be biased since Sans is my second favorite character after Papyrus and I am a huge sucker for any skelebros content. But I genuinely don't get what's wrong with people liking a character and that character becoming a mainstay in internet culture. Like, an average person is probably gonna see some Star Wars or superhero stuff in their life, whetever they want to or not - I am not a Star Wars or superhero fan, but I don't mind seeing it. I don't feel like it's getting shoved in my face or anything, it's just a part of our pop culture and I kinda see Sans (as well as UT in general) the same way. - The depiction of Chara as evil. Yes, I get it, you are the one who decided to do the genocide route, you killed everyone, you are the bad guy, some random dead kid didn't cause it, you did, absolutely. However, based on some random info we hear about them, like them "hating humanity", "not being the best person", laughing when Asgore got poisoned, etc. it's quite understandable why we made that assumption. Also, yes, it's cool that every character in Undertale is, at worst, morally gray in some way and it's understandable to apply that to Chara, but I also love the idea that by killing everyone, you managed to awaken an entity who IS completely evil. Like, that's how badly you killing everyone affected the game and it's still your fault that it happened. Also, it's cool that other people were able to come up with the "Chara is the narrator" theory. I am too stupid for that, I couldn't, and that's okay. Chara is such a mysterious character to this day and it's silly to expect everyone to have a full grasp on them and their motivations.

[@zenodreemurr2093]

Based.

[@genericname2747]

I just hate all the aus where Sans is the main character. I'm not going to go and hate on people who make them, I just ignore that stuff. It just seems to go against his entire character to make him the protagonist

[@purplepedantry]

I'm quite baffled by the amount of drama still left in the mostly calmed Undertale community.

[@user-pb1ph4ig8g]

I'll never get over how much I dislike evil Chara, even if I 100% get your points lmao. I don't know, having a completely evil entity in Undertale just takes away a core aspect of the game and makes it too one-dimensional, which is the opposite of what the game goes for. Everyone can enjoy the game however they want though, just never will be my cup of tea and people who like it won't care about a random's opinion anyway.

[@purplepedantry]

@@user-pb1ph4ig8g 10/10, Polite Opinion Sharing.

[@snailofkale]

despite what ao3 says, paper mario is not a single fandom, but given they’re very closely connected anyhow im also gonna pretend they are. in general there is a lot of hate for modern paper mario (sticker star, color splash, and, to a lesser but still present extent, origami king) and while these games are certainly flawed, i really don’t understand why people feel the need to harrass people who like sticker star.

[@elitusyeetus2032]

first of all yes dont harass people, but on a note about sticker star i dont get how people can like sticker star apart from a single one of the areas, just to name a few reasons 1. they took out leveling, and made basically every fight pointless 2. bowser doesnt talk????????? he's always the best part of any of the games 3. the complete lack of story apart from the start and the end 4. wait its all toad? *cocks gun* always has been 5. the fact that you dont get to actually DO the boss fights, well you can, but the game straight up insults your intelligence if you beat the boss that way rather than using the thing that one hits it just to name a few reasons im also unsure of why they decided to release the game, when miyomoto himself described a prototype he played as boring we dont know how his opinion has changed for the final game but its safe to say it didnt change too much considering the final product has boring gameplay all in all still is not a reason to harass people who somehow enjoy this rpg that fails at being an rpg

[@snailofkale]

@@elitusyeetus2032 dude. this is the shit im talking about. “oh, a sticker star mention! time to list all the reasons i hate it!” please don’t.

[@C0spl4y3rr]

The masked singer fandom: a lot of the fans dislike a character that doesn’t have a powerhouse voice, most of the celebs who are competing are here to have fun instead of it feeling like a furry, musical, version of a hunger games type show. That is my discourse on a fandom that is small

[@jamie1602]

Yeah it's just a fun and silly little show where celebs are just goofing off, can we not take this seriously? It's fun to guess, especially when I haven't seen the celeb in a very long time.

[@ButteredBread201]

Didn't know there was a Masked Singer fandom.

[@Lemonsherbertzzz]

JASON GRACE!!!! MY BABY BOY DESERVES THE WORLD!!!! obviously he is supposed to be perfect he was raised as a child warrior where he needed to be perfect!!!! also yeah Rachel from pjo like she’s more than her crush on Percy she had when she was little it wasn’t even that big of a deal dude

[@UltimateDespairado]

Imagine if Jason Grace was a woman I feel like people would be even more angry at that character

[@Zhavari]

People don’t like Jason?

[@MouetteRoquefort]

i dont like jason because i find him boring 😭but i really like rachel

[@ponygoesrandom]

PEOPLE DONT LIKE JASON?! WHEN I READED THE FIRST BOOK PAGE 1 AS A PRE TEEN I GOT A HUGE CRUSH ON HIM T-T

[@lizzieheartswifeandgf]

another addition, Piper McLean

[@Drizzilenotreal]

berdly. hes my favourite deltarune character, but he gets SO hated on by a lot of the fandom, even my own sister... its really sad to see, because hes such an interesting character imo.

[@felledoesYTiguess]

Literally, anything that's implied by the creator is wrong and bad because it's.... popular?!?!? (Deltarune) People are so hard on Kralsei. Edit: Y’ALL IM NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO LIKE KRALSEI IM JUST SAYING THAT I DON’T LIKE HOW PEOPLE ARE SO HARD ON IT! And no I don’t care about the fucking tea theory, it’s a theory and it never implied that Kris dislikes Ralsei, they likely just don’t know him and are possibly uncomfortable with him because he acts very oddly affectionate towards them. I ship it because I like it, not even because I think it’s canon, so can y’all just calm down :,)

[@genericname2747]

Eh, Ralsei seems like he might be a metaphor for Asriel, so I get why people don't like it

[@almost_raymond]

@@genericname2747 he isn't there's a whole video debunking it ralsei seems more like an idealized version of kris to me, or who kris wishes they were, since there's a massive theory that ralsei is the red horns

[@genericname2747]

@@almost_raymond That's a theory. We really don't know anything about Ralsei.

[@almost_raymond]

@@genericname2747 hence why i said "to me". and so is the idea that he's a metaphor for asriel which makes a lot less sense. if you try to give ralsei the snow ring he even asks if you're proposing.

[@Zitronen_]

ok but Kris doesn't really like Ralsei very much ?😭 the tea theory

[@PriffyViole]

Everybody in the Cookie Run fandom REALLY hates Muscle Cookie, SOLELY because he's "ugly". He's one of the VERY few early Cookies to actually have legitimate characterization, and he's actually a pretty nice guy, but no, CLEARLY all that matters is that he's not conventionally attractive.

[@reasyrandom]

He's actually one of my favorites from the common cookies because his design is so unique. I love that he's styled after an executioner without actually being one. It means that I can enjoy the design without feeling bad about the actual people who got killed in executions.

[@ElysianArchives]

I've also seen much of the fandom, especially the Kingdom tiktok community, hate on cookies with simple/non-conventionally attractive designs in general like Rebel and Olive which I only don't get??? Like yeah, yap all you want about how they don't deserve the epic rarity, but sometimes you gotta understand that this is a game about silly cookies and not every character is going to live up to your pretty girl or boy standards 🥲

[@ElysianArchives]

I have to admit that I'm not a huge fan of Muscle either but I somehow understand how pivotal his existence is for the franchise as a whole. If he was never a thing then the devs probably wouldn't have dipped their toes into more diverse body types considering how unique he was compared to everyone else in the LINE days. In a way, he somewhat inspired many of the handsome buff gingerbread people designs we've seen today!

[@UncleSamsoniteLover69]

I understand people finding him funny to look at, but people hating him has always been a bit extra to me. Like really? Out of all the characters, you hate Muscle Cookie?

[@babyblouie]

Muscle cookie is a chad

[@osheridan]

Princess Anemone from WoF gets crazily overhated. She's the equivalent of a 14 year old with unlimited power, who was gr●●med her entire childhood and has never had a friend before. That's why she has anger issues, it's not because she's some soulless monster

[@sillybillybee]

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. They hate her so much, yet overlooking the fact that DARKSTALKER, a whole problem himself, this there. Now maybe during Book 6 I believe when we were introduced to Anemone's real personality beside Tsunami's book was a change, but she shouldn't be hated.

[@YellowTheSus]

frrrr i love anemone shes epic

[@fatdinosaurfood8059]

Wow that’s a smart way of censoring

[@kittenlovingclaude]

Hunter’s haircut at the start of season 3 episode 1. I like how it symbolized a new start and wanting to detach from what was connecting him to Belos.

[@lluviapacifica9601]

In my opinion, that was his best haircut

[@-raecat-]

6:38 It's because most of the sk8 fandom is quite young and doesn't like seeing someone around their age getting creeped on by a man in his mid-twenties. Also, he probably would have more fans if he wasn't so creepy towards Langa.

[@qingqueingtime]

Rose Quartz

[@BrunoMaricFromZagreb]

The canon chubby one,or the fan-drawn skinny one? It really says something when I have to ask which Rose you're talking about.

[@qingqueingtime]

@@BrunoMaricFromZagreb ermm no im talking abt the mineral smh (jk lmao im talking abt the canon one)

[@almost_raymond]

BASED

[@Nortarachanges]

Truth. Rose’s video to Steven still makes me cry. She was honest in that moment and Greg loves her. That’s enough for me ^_^

[@genericname2747]

She's nicer than her siblings

[@newbiegamelover4767]

The Danganronpa fandom. There are several characters that either don't get enough love or are overhated, but the one I want to focus on is Makoto Naegi, who I really don't understand why so few people like him. Sure, he's generic, but how can you not love him? He's got such a golden heart, he always wants the best for people, and he even looks for the good in people, even if they single-handedly caused a world-wide apocalypse! He's like a more mature version of Papyrus! And while he's a symbol for hope, the hope that he fights for is a positive one that can push through the greatest despair! And yet, the fandom gravitates to the one who will sacrifice himself for hope regardless of whether that hope is good or bad, and looks down on people he views as below him (which is saying a lot, considering the fact that he views himself as trash). I've even watched a video somebody made on why they dislike Makoto, and I still don't understand. Especially since part of the video was a misconstrued view of that one part in the story where he got someone mad at him, as if Makoto was too naive to understand why she was mad at him, when in fact he did know why and he took it in stride. I won't say Makoto is my favorite character in the franchise (he's actually my third favorite protagonist just behind Shuichi and Kaede). I will say that he deserves a lot more love than the fandom gives him.

[@Fraink5]

I like Naegi and he who shall not be named, but I agree with you. Some people just don't like morally good characters. But I think he's great. If anything, I think a wholesome character like Naegi is necessary for a series like Danganronpa to work.

[@fish6313]

​@@Fraink5 off topic but i really like how you're referring to Him as just "he who shall not be named" here

[@HighEffortUsername]

As someone who's never played danganronpa, but has seen JoJo, it just seems like people equate being nice with being generic.

[@nevergonnagiveyouup1180]

Naegi is sweet. He’s also my third favorite protagonist.(behind shuichi and Kaede)

[@wolfywonder8480]

Ngl I never understood the love the second Ultimate Lucky Student gets. He’s a weirdo, man, and totally chill with getting anyone and everyone killed because they’re evil trash? People like to defend him because he has an in-canon mental illness that’s supposedly slowly killing him, but like, that isn’t an excuse for actual murder (or, rather, manipulating others into murder) other than pleading insanity in court.

[@lightyearpig12]

In my experiences with fandom, I have learned that if you create either a protagonist who doesn't want to kill anyone or a villain who is very nuanced, morally grey, or even sympathetic, you'll be called one of these. 1. Woke 2. A Neo-Nazi (bonus offensive points if the creator is Jewish) 3. An abuse apologist 4. Probably tons more I can't be bothered to list because they all become the same after a while.

[@alicethemad1613]

It’s okay you can just say Steven Universe

[@lightyearpig12]

@@alicethemad1613 Yes, that's exactly one of what I was going for.

[@lilaniloxi]

i read the second one and thought "this is about Steven Universe isn't it"

[@CharlotteRoberts-gu1dc]

Read the second one and I immediately thought of Lilly Orchard's 'amazing' steven universe review

[@Mossyspring]

This isn't related to a fandom, but liking villains, mean or rude characters. I am a warriors fan and I love a lot of absolute awful or just rude characters (Mapleshade, Tigerstar I, Breezepelt, Lionblaze, Goosefeather, Hawkheart, Clear Sky, Berrynose, Star Flower, Ashfur... The list goes on.). I also love rude BotW Zelda, it gives her so much more depth than in other games. This is probably a weird one, but I love every single villain in Professor Layton, they're hilarious and amazing. Except for that one cop in the last specter/specters call, that guy was pretty boring. Many people assume me liking a villain makes me condone or like their actions or like me thinking these characters aren't rude. Nono, they are. That's WHY I like them. I fancy myself a absolute awful dude or just a rude sassy lil guy sometimes, it has a function to the story and they can be funny, cool and just awesome in their own way.

[@UltimateDespairado]

I love how this Zelda basically is that way because of not living up to society and her father’s interests. It gives her more personality other than the damsel in distress or reincarnation of Hylia or the seventh sage.

[@Mossyspring]

@@UltimateDespairado Yeah! Every Zelda is different but only a very few feel like they actually have depth

[@kneelessnightcat9164]

Crazy how Hawkheart didn't do anything wrong, and Star Flower is a slightly less than morally perfect woman, but both of them are demonized by the Fandom. (I'm weird on Clear Sky, I like him but a redemption was not the right choice. He's such a scarily accurate depiction of an abuser and he should've stayed a villain. The writers also trying really hard to make me sympathize with him, to the point the newest ultimate guide had Firestar whine about how misunderstood he was, doesn't do it for me either.)

[@Mossyspring]

@@kneelessnightcat9164 Oh yeah, Clear Sky should hvae stayed evil. It would also work for why SkyClan was driven out. I do think Hawkheart... did od wrong. Sure he was defending his herbs, but the way he speaks to Bluepaw is really messed up. Star Flower is really funny.

[@kiwibirbrepublic]

real because i love jayfeather but the amnt of people who have attacked me because i liked a character "who was mean" like you like bumblestripe 💀 (example. power to you if you like bumblestripe and i hope yall get something better than weird dude who acts weird to dovewing)

[@sosueme.13]

All my ones: Percy Jackson: Jason Grace. From the moment I read the book I fell in love with him (as a character). I went on TikTok and found loads of TikTok’s just hating on him for not being Percy Jackson? Just because he’s not the main character of the first series. It’s so stupid. Another Percy Jackson: Rachel Elizabeth Dare. The whole fandom just hates for liking a boy. A boy who wasn’t even dating anyone at the time. She kissed him while he was SINGLE. She doesn’t even like him by the end of the book (when he gets a girlfriend.). Hunger Games: Gale Hawthorn. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like Gale BUT the reason being that he killed Prim is just complete utter bullshit! His bomb killed Prim, he didn’t order the strike, Coin did.

[@meganhash7840]

I'm an X-Men girlie and a hardcore Jubilee stan. She's more often than not treated like a joke by the fandom (luckily it's gotten better in recent years but it used to be REALLY bad) and it drives me nuts

[@404otakucorner]

Hazbin Hotel fan here. I personally find it so funny how so many people hate Mimzy’s solo at the end of Hell’s Greatest Dad. Like don’t get me wrong, I COMPLETELY understand why it’s not appreciated and I agree with all the reasons people give as to why they don’t like it. I just can’t help but chuckle whenever I see a video that clips out of the song. [btw this is also coming from someone who hates Mimzy so I’m not biased to her]

[@nekomataumbreon]

Made me chuckle when that happened. Also almost choked on my water while chuckling

[@edatheowllady9518]

I didn't know people hated that. But I kinda get it since it came out if nowhere at the end

[@montserratmarroquin400]

Wait people really hated that? I thought that it kind of matched well with the song (but I completely get if you don’t)

[@Fallenmoon9]

The Ninjago Movie. Like I love it so much it made me want to watch the series but a lot of the fandom hates it.

[@Fallenmoon9]

And in MCU I like the new movies. I haven't watched Ant-Man and the Wasp quantum realm yet but I'll probably like it.

[@yay29823]

I disagree with the Marvel opinion but the Ninjago one is so true. I think I even prefer it over the series (It's a guilty pleasure of mine)

[@wormsters]

same! it's the first ninjago media i ever consumed. probably my favorite movie

[@MermaidKiley]

Isn't the framing device for the movie some kid who walks into a shop and gets told a story? I think it's kinda cute, like how my grandma used to always anthropormorphise lego minifigures when telling my siblings bedtime stories even though she messed up character names a lot (she used to confuse lord voldemort and lord garmadon and it led to a bunch of funny scenarios)

[@nicolas._.2294]

@@Fallenmoon9 we aren't so different

[@thediscodevil0949]

I don’t feel like ranting about how people constantly blame Mario Kart’s Blue Shell for their friendship problems, so I’m gonna answer the question in the title with the Thundercloud instead, lol. I find its gimmick kind of exhilarating, tbh. I’ve seen it get compared to tag a lot. It looks cute and I think chasing people with it is fun. >:) It even helps you take longer shortcuts than the Mushroom.

[@YourWaywardDestiny]

Anyone blaming the blue shell for their friendship issues even as a joke has never heard of communication. I didn't realize this was a thing people got joke mad about for the longest time because when I was a kid playing Mario Kart with my friend sand family, I'd just literally out loud say: "sorry, I've got a blue shell, I'm going to let it off," and it was all cool. Even the most sensitive friends would end up OK with it after honestly admitting to being gifted with the first-place-nuke. Turns out a head's up goes a long way with a game that very loosely leans on chance.

[@thediscodevil0949]

@@YourWaywardDestiny I still don’t think it’s _that_ necessary to warn someone if you have the Blue Shell. Would you warn your friend every time you got an offensive item (or even the Blooper)? :’)

[@FizzieWebb]

Thing is, the thundercloud at least hits the entire pack, it's an item to let a person near the back climb the ladder quickly. The blue shell, doesn't really do anything for the person who used it, it's basically "If I'm going to lose, I'm going to ruin someone else's day as well." as a power up. If it produced a slip stream that the user was pulled along in to get a speed boost as well, hell yeah, that's great. It just.. strikes me as the most spiteful power up in the series, a loud and specific "Fuck you!" to whoever happens to be in first at the time. And I would still be okay with it as it is.. if it didn't have the same hit stun as all the offensive power ups, bringing the target to a complete stop. The fact it zeroes in on first place should be tempered with a weaker stun, doesn't last as long, only reducing them to half speed. It's a power up that needs either some utility to the person using it, or to be reined in a bit so it's not just a big middle finger to the driver in first.

[@YourWaywardDestiny]

@@thediscodevil0949 Depends on the friend. And the actual destructive quality of the item. You can still potentially skill your way around a blooper attack, you can defend from red shells, and you can suffer along with others with the thunder cloud, none of that matters if you just got to first place and then there comes a blue shell. It's coming for you, even if you were only there for a second while the blue shell was deployed. That's different, you don't _need_ to say it oud loud necessarily, you need to communicate with any sort of re-framing technique. However one must draw attention to the fact that you've got sportsmanship, it helps others also not fall into a bad time.

[@StillNoClue22]

…people genuinely get mad over the blue shell? Trust me, I’m very competitive when I’m playing mario kart with my brother but like after the game is said and done, I’m not still mad over not winning that one race because of the blue shell. It’s probably different since we’re siblings but geez I don’t understand how you can actually ruin relationships over a blue shell bro 😭

[@GloomyFish]

the pokemon fandom hating on modern games' graphics. I don't get it - they look fine. and I'm not talking about frame rates or performance issues , I mean just the whole aesthetic. I think PLA has beautiful graphics, the whole thing looks like a 3D watercolour. Some of the textures could be better, but that's a nitpick at best. And performance issues aside, SV looks great! I don't know what people really want if not a return to 2D graphics tbh the Pokemon fandom has a habit of trashing the latest game. I remember everyone hated gen 5 when it was new, but now everyone's calling it the best Pokemon generation (which was always my opinion and I'm glad they're getting the recognition they deserve, but that's besides the point). People even started doing that with SwSh as soon as SV came out, like... the same people who were saying SwSh were terrible were now saying it was close to perfect? idk man I feel like some people get their expectations way too high to the point where nothing will be good enough

[@tsifirakiehl4250]

I completely agree with everything you just said! It’s like the fandom reflexively throws a screaming fit whenever anything new comes out, then as soon as they pause to take a breath so they can begin the screaming about the next new thing, they realize that the last thing they were screaming about actually wasn’t that bad. At no point, however, do they learn their lesson and not start the screaming in the first place.

[@quangamershyguyyz7166]

Ngl, some of the modern Pokémon game’s do look pretty bad. Like for the most part they look fine, but some areas and portions of the game are just flat out ugly to me.

[@CCEquestrian-je5uc]

completeyly agree

[@Ammiteur9]

Wait? People like Sword and shield now??? Justice at Last???

[@tirzahroseroot]

This sums up my opinions on this perfectly. Heck, I feel like everyone overexaggerates the glitches. I barely run into any and they aren’t even game breaking.

[@modcrypt4]

The main character's best friend gets some hate in my fandom because she's boring. In reality, she's just a regular girl in a game full of murderers and some weird potentially cult guy. She's actually pretty interesting I think, she acts so differently to the other characters. She's really goofy, but has extreme serious moments, and despite being somewhat judged by other characters, she's pretty strong and doesn't take shit lying down.

[@xstarrycity3627]

I feel like I know which game you're talking about? (I might be wrong tho)

[@modcrypt4]

​@@xstarrycity3627ohhhh I wanna know what you think it is. It's not a very popular game, but still quite a few people know it

[@xstarrycity3627]

@@modcrypt4 oop if it's not popular then I think I got it wrong haha, I was gonna say Kingdom Hearts

[@HighEffortUsername]

​@modcrypt4 danganronpa

[@modcrypt4]

@@HighEffortUsername nope

[@ThePrincessCH]

I tend to prefer straightforward stories over the ones with morally grey characters because I like the escapism, especially with all the questionable things going on around the world, its nice to imagine an idealistic world with straightforward heroes. One of my favorite live actions is "Murder, She Wrote," the plot is formulaic and somewhat predictable, and the protagonist is somewhat of a Mary-Sue, but I like how Jessica's politefully witty even when she's mad and how she realises the final clue that solves the case. Even modern anime has shows that put more focus on the process than the character flaws "Restaurant to Another World" is about fantasy people eating "foreign" food and "Tis Time for Torture Princess" is about a girl who is given a life she was deprived of. I'm not saying that media with complex characters shouldn't exist, but I find the American entertainment industry to be oversaturated with it.

[@smoldoritochild4136]

Gosh, people in the pokemon fandom hate Carmine for being cold to the player at first and being mean to her brother She just didn’t want her childhood home being turned into a tourist attraction. She does end up becoming friends with the player and does help them save Ogerpon and her masks. As for her being "mean" to Kieran, thats just what siblings do. I have a brother and we call each other names all the time. She does care for him and even asks us to help him in the Indigo Disk People also hate her because she made us keep ogerpon from Kieran. She just wanted to protect him and didn't want him to be sad that he didn’t see it. Plus we still thought ogerpon was evil at the time so god forbid she didn’t want him to proably get hurt People complain how in recent years haven't had a mean rival (despite the fact Bede was right there but you were all caught up hating the POC friendly rival) but the second we do, they complain about how she is too mean.

[@NixFaerie]

my current fandom is very 'body positive' in the worst way possible... I love being in a fandom that loves such varied character designs and headcanons, and it's one of the best fandoms for it, but the second a character being large or fat approaches anywhere near fanon then suddenly anyone who doesnt draw them that way gets bashed to high heaven. Mind you, none of it is canon, both designs are as valid as each other... I see this happen in other fandoms too, particularly anime, where if a character is drawn even slightly pudgier than average for anime- not even actually fat, just not rail thin- then people go berserk if you draw them anything less than fat-fat, even their actual canon size. I get wanting to see more body diversity and being protective of larger characters especially in anime given how they often end up drawn, but it's jsut so awful, especially when a young or casual artist gets targeted and chased out.

[@InternetSexyLoser]

What is the fandom?

[@princesspompom0054]

The ship Entrapta x Hordak, people hate this ship because of how "creepy" and "weird" it is and also because despite the fact that Entrapta is canonically in her 30s and Hordak not having a confirmed age, some people seem to think that Entrapta seems too young or childish while Hordak seems too old. Idk how to explain it but I feel like the She ra fandom infantilises Entrapta witch The fact she's also supposed to be autistic makes the infantilisation of her worse. Not only that but the way the fandom views Hordak as an elderly man because of the fact that he experiences chronic pain. I'm someone who is autistic and experiences chronic pain despite not even being 20 yet and has had that problem since I was in early elementry so this kind of discourse really frustrates me.

[@rosykindbunny1313]

Those two are adorable together!

[@princesspompom0054]

@@rosykindbunny1313 They are indeed, it's a comfort ship of mine

[@Nortarachanges]

I don’t ship them personally, but hard agree on the infantilism being gross!

[@LanternsLight]

They’re the only romance I actually like from the show.

[@acidxici]

People hated this ship??? Most people I've seen in the fandom loved it lol- but then again im not that deep into the fandom so idk tbh

[@babyblouie]

The vocaloid fandom seems to forget constantly that the different voices are tools for storytelling and literally everything is up for interpretation. You can follow canon if you want but you also don’t have to. Yet everyone hates on ships like Kaimiku or rinlen for their supposed problematic aspects when there’s nothing wrong w them and they’re adorable ships imo. It’s not being progressive it’s literally just being slave to peer pressure and refusing to see others opinions as valid

[@Dressup_Doll]

I’m fine with Rin/Len depending on how the song shows their relationship, though I also tend to view them as siblings or friends. It also depends on how old the story makes them (Evillious is a good example because some people ship Kyle, who is 26 at first, and Allen, who is 14).

[@Alexandraadftxr7052]

I seen people viewing vocaloids as dolls/puppets. Basicly the director can give them roles for a story, and play it out with them, with no seth of personality, ect. (I seen this once, and other times I heard that this was the norm in the old vocaloid community.) I would love if more people viewd it like this, instead of what you mentiond.

[@slytherinlady3907]

i feel so bad for the people who will never experience hitoyama’s rin x len works as they were intended 😔

[@miau5878]

Arent rin and len twins or are they just genderbent versions of eachother?

[@Zhavari]

I personally find the Rin/Len idea a bit odd because even though they may not have a canon relationship, they look exactly like each other. You’d easily mistake them for siblings

[@alexisalonso7714]

Oh my god, I hate, hate, hate, HATE when people hate on a female character because they’re a threat to their ship, Percabeth shippers were acting like Rachel was some demon sent from hell, Starco shippers only stopped shitting on Jackie when her girlfriend was revealed in the final season, and even then Kelly was still being treated like shit during the same season, there are Huntric shippers who desperate to make Willow out to be abusive and controlling over Hunter because they can’t handle the fact that Hunter and Edric’s two second long interaction never meant anything. Hating a character for threatening your ship is frankly ridiculous to me.

[@StoryBird2]

5:45 I dislike modern Disney for its marketing, oversaturation, lack of good storytelling overall ANDDDDD the fact they most likely swapped to CGI because it wasn't unionized. Seriously making 2d costs less money but those artists have a union and 3d animators still really need this. Take a look at the behind the scenes crap from Into the Spiderverse (which I love)

[@platinumg.8614]

I tend to not mind rude character. Lets says that purple hair guy from Pokemon LA, for example, or Berdly from Deltarune. I usually find they kinda funny too because my god the dedication is hilarious. But like people for some reason act like they are the most vile thing or even worse make them like some homophobic, racist thing.

[@BookWyrmOnAString]

Warden Melli?

[@yYSilverFoxYy]

I hate fandom hate. It’s ALL supposed to be fun. Don’t like it? Scroll away! No “but” or “except”! Make a separate hashtag or community for your hate group in case being a lil hater is your idea of fun instead of shitt¡ng on other people’s fun.

[@goldenfiberwheat238]

A lot of people on the internet get so obsessed with fiction they forget that it’s not real so if they don’t like it they can just ignore it

[@nicolas._.2294]

@@goldenfiberwheat238 I might sometimes be that kind of people....but it's got to the point it's literally annoying so now I am trying my best to ignore it becs it's such a waste of time

[@goldenfiberwheat238]

@@nicolas._.2294 good

[@jimstoesz3878]

I got into the Borderlands series with the third game (I'd watched letsplays of the first two, but hadn't played them), and I was baffled by all the hate it got. "Ugh all the new characters are so annoying!" and the older ones aren't? I earnestly thought that tediously wacky and over-the-top humour was like... the whole point of the series...? Maybe I went into the game expecting all the characters to be obnoxiously "lol so random xd" that I insulated myself from the disappointment more seasoned fans had, but I had a great time!

[@eeyorehaferbock7870]

Borderlands 2 player here. Apparently a lot of BL fans actually liked the gameplay of 3, but there were three things in particular that they hated about it: 1. The characterization of the twins who were the main villains, widely considered to have been a MASSIVE step down from the epitome-of-magnificent bastardry that was Handsome Jack. 2. Overreliance on toilet humor (including coming from at least one of the aforementioned twins iirc) as opposed to the humor of the previous games which was as varied as it was wacky. 3. The narrative treating Ava with kid gloves even after her impulsiveness literally got fan-favorite former player character Maya killed (which she then refuses to take any blame for), culminating in her being appointed to lead Sanctuary when there were other people like Tannis who would’ve been more qualified in any case.

[@BrunoMaricFromZagreb]

I think it's because there's a difference between 2012-era "annoying" & post-far-left-era "annoying".A lot of authors seem to think New York City & Los Angeles are the status quo,or the pinnacle of society which others should aspire to.They don't understand that they're a minority.That the consumers dislike that culture. FOR EXAMPLE:The majority of people DO NOT think that gender is "socially constructed",but a facet of biology like the id/ego/superego (& before 2015,that WAS the case).But those 2 cities are filled with spiteful morons who want to commit revenge-by-proxy/relation against the ideology of the 80's,so they constantly reinvent language with sh!t like "BIRTHING PERSON" instead of "MOTHER" & put that into their stories. I bet that noone who made those complaints at 11:45 was from Asia or South America (which have languages with gendered verbs & adjectives),just USA and rarely UK/Canada.Just look at Black Velma for a bigger example of why people hate this!

[@goldenfiberwheat238]

It’s because they overdid it. Borderlands 2 had serious moments. Like when handsome jack shows up to shoot Roland in the back there’s not a single joke. The world is wacky but the characters actually take seriously (mostly). This nuance is unfortunately not something most film makers and game devs can understand these days

[@Zedrapazia]

The irredeemable villain thing for me is actually the reverse of this person complaining. I actually get bored that every character is morally grey or a twist villain nowadays because I've had too much of it recently.

[@yay29823]

Everyone who prefers one thinks the other is overdone. Even I am a part of the problem myself, because I think pure villains are overdone.

[@Zedrapazia]

@@yay29823 That's a good way to see things, depending on what kind of stuff you watch, both can be overdone. I think the best way to make peace out of the situation is to say that both tropes could be handled better, so either of the sides get their wishes fulfilled.

[@yay29823]

@@Zedrapazia Exactly! Another thing that could be done could be that Disney and other big companies get diverse with villain archetypes. It would be nice if we didn't get just pure evil villains, just morally gray characters or just redeemable villains, but instead we get all of them. Then everyone will be satisfied (or maybe not, you can never please everyone)

[@Zedrapazia]

@@yay29823 Very well said! To make a few examples, Syndrome (The Incredibles), Jack Horner (Puss in Boots 2), Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz (Phineas and Ferb) and Abuela (Encanto) are all different types of villains, yet very different. Increasing the variety is always a good thing, given it's done well.

[@jamie1602]

I could be on board with a twist villain... if they were done correctly. You actually do need to be able to see it coming. Your smart viewers (or readers for written form) need to be able to put the puzzle pieces together as you lay down small pieces to put together. Your general audience will realize that they should have seen it coming. But we don't see that in newer Disney films and that's not good. We CAN do this correctly which... Bellweather is a good twist villain. You see it coming not just in her dialogue, but also in hints hidden on her desk and in other pieces in the art. You SHOULD see that coming. Going back further, Toy Story 2 had Stinky Pete. You should have seen it coming with how Pete manipulates Jessie and Woody while hints are left that Pete has been leaving his box. These are twist villains. Hans is not a twist villain. The only moment that COULD be taken as Hans revealing his true intentions is a single scene with Elsa during Frozen where Elsa is potentially in danger. But this doesn't make sense as we could argue he actually is saving her... and his "evil" should really be targeted at Anna first if we wanted Elsa's words to be a better warning. So we can't count him for anything other messy writing. Twist villains are great. If they aren't written sloppily. We have a plague of sloppy writing not just with Disney but with all creative pursuits. I'm unsure how this started, but it needs to end. Dreamworks isn't innocent either and just because they got Jack Horner? They still have a lot to answer for. Too many sloppy villains that needed to cut the fat.

[@yay29823]

That person had a point until they said "Those older films have as many flaws as the newer ones." I mean, they do have flaws, don't get me wrong, but as many? AS MANY???

[@Pugkin5405]

Depends what you consider a flaw

[@Ammiteur9]

I mean, I am also of the opinion, that plenty modern Disney Animation are just simply overhated (the Films are not good necessarily, but Wish for example was just ok, and people treat it like it killed their grandma), so eventually it would even itself out if we see the 3D stuff as new, and the 2D stuff as old, since a lot of 2D stuff was also just OK.

[@riahlexington]

It depends on the film

[@stripeproductionsofficialreal]

A majority of the Sonic Fandom hates Chip, because he’s annoying. But I’m like, he’s literally too pure to hate! He’s just happy little creature that loves chocolate.

[@nekomataumbreon]

I like his determination (at least what he had in ps2 Unleashed, haven't seen the other versions yet lol)

[@magicmariotv7772]

He also helped Sonic by turning into a Temple Mecha to fight against Dark Gaia, aka the Sonic equivalent of Satan.

[@interestingboyo790]

I honestly hate how much people seem (or at least seemed, since I'm not very active in the fandom anymore) to hate Ochako in general. Literally used to see people all the time who hated her guts because she wanted to be a hero because of financial benefits...when she's also one of the most caring and generally heroic characters in the show, so it's not like she's ignoring her morals in favor of what'll get her the most money. They probably mostly hated her because she "got in the way" of specific ships with Izuku (literally nobody's stopping you, you can ship him with someone else if you want). She's such a sweet person and she's also very tough, there's not any specific reasons i can think of that'd make people hate her so much. As for Kacchako i personally don't find myself very drawn to it (i don't hate it it's just not my favorite), but i don't understand people who genuinely hate it. I personally think it could be really cute, i just enjoy other ships more (KiriBaku is my personal favorite).

[@user-LoomaMoth226]

I like watching these videos and seeing all these opinions about fandoms I’m not even in because my own fandoms are so obscure that they’ll probably never make one of these videos

[@civilthespacepirate]

For the Total Drama fandom, the ship Gwuncan. Just because the WRITERS decided to write the cheating plot for this ship, doesn't mean it's bad to ship it. Another hot take on ships, but the other canon ship, Duncney, became really toxic after Island(Season 1).

[@yay29823]

I mean, could you elaborate on that? Because if the writters wrote cheating then it's canon, right? Unless the ship leans more into the headcanon side.

[@yellowturtle14]

​@@yay29823 That's what fanfiction is *for*, though. To explore things in different ways than how they ended up in canon

[@kiwikarp9509]

As a Duncney fan, 100% agree. I hate how Gwuncan happened in canon too, but it should be judged on its own merits.

[@yay29823]

@@yellowturtle14 It's not that you're wrong... It's just that the topic of the conversation is not fanfiction. Yeah, this channel makes a lot of videos about fanfiction, but this time it's just about fandoms in general. I also never once mentioned fanfiction in my reply myself, neither did the person who wrote the comment. So it's not like my question is pointless...

[@ChrissaTodd]

I don’t like it because it wasn’t the writers decision it was Cartoon Network that came in and ruined a good thing, just cause she is goth doesn’t mean she is better for Duncan.

[@rockgirl6786]

Izuku Midorya is NOT an annoying protagonist, and it is NOT a bad thing that he's emotional. He's a young boy with a traumatic and lonely past, with a weight on his shoulders he was never meant for. Ochaco Urararaka is NOT selfish and is NOT just a love interest. She has plenty of her own character and prioritizes her family and friends above just about everything. Including herself. You would not believe how much I've seen these two be demonized by the fandom, and as someone who relates to both I think it's incredibly unfair.

[@mochibunnyan6556]

I will never understand nor forgive the Undertale fandom for collectively deciding that Chara was Undertale’s “true” villain and “made” Frisk kill everyone in the Genocide route. Um??? No?? You, THE PLAYER, chose to kill everyone, not Chara?? Chara did not possess you irl and force you to kill everyone??? What????

[@eleonorepb4565]

I don't understand why people decided that you play as Chara controling Frisk in the no mercy run but not in tye other routes since the way you play isn't different

[@osheridan]

1:11 Aang did take the lives of soldiers who might not have even wanted to fight though, I think that's why people are annoyed he spared the actual psycho behind it all

[@Zhavari]

This is a good point

[@jmaldonado790]

I'd argue though that stripping him of his main tool of oppression is probably a bigger gut punch than just killing him. Like I'm sure when Ozai found out he couldn't bend anymore he wishes Aang would've just killed him.

[@bumbabees]

people pointing out hypocrisy in aangs "i use violence when its necessary but ive never used it to take a life" is understandable, but i think the decision to not off ozai itself is fine. its fine to disagree with it, (believe me, i get it. i am not a "violence is never the answer" type of person at ALL lmao) but i dont think its as much of an issue as some people act like it is. it works. and i think it is important to keep in mind hes 12.

[@montserratmarroquin400]

I think it’s because unfortunately this land into the category of "killing all the goons but not the evil guy) but in my opinion it works for Aang

[@amazinggrapes3045]

Did he actually ever kill someone outside the avatar state?

[@froggycolouring]

Zelda: why do people hate the “empty” overworlds so much, saying they’re just “hub areas”, like yeah that’s literally what they’re supposed to be, fun secrets for those who do explore and then the people who don’t can just go to the actual content of the game, the dungeons Especially since most of the older consoles couldn’t handle overworlds like botw’s (which is also completely different since the main focus of the game is the overworld, not the dungeons like other games)

[@FizzieWebb]

To be fair, when the barren and empty overworld is the main draw (see BotW and TotK) it's a valid argument. I'd level the same complaint at ScaVio for Pokemon, tbh. They focused more on making the world big and expansive, than.. interesting. if BotW and TotK are a century after an apocalypse, where are the trade caravans moving between small townships? Where are the other adventurers? Where are the bandits? Why are the largest bastions of life small buildings with a stable attached? For all it's flaws, Fallout 4, despite having a smaller map, feels more... alive. Density of content is important too, not just the scope of the playground.

[@HighEffortUsername]

​@@FizzieWebbWe see other adventures in BOTW, and there are several villages. Also, certain characters do travel between towns. I feel like you haven't actually played the games.

[@FizzieWebb]

​@@HighEffortUsername I have played BotW actually, and they are few and far between, and most often just ended up being Yiga clan members in disguise, I kept running into the adventuring pair in BotW who you need to save from bokoblins and keese, and maybe a few sidequest npcs like the diving Zora who relocate to more populated areas after, but there was very few just.. wandering travelers that you could just spot along the road ways and none you could maybe trade some food stuff for arrows or shields or the like, or people out foraging in forests or gathering wood, or making camps in ruins to avoid bad weather.... The larger bastions are all centered around the capitals of the other races that call Hyrule home, There's no fledgling townships along the roads aside from the stables/inns, no caravans carrying goods between the cities and inns or patrols out making sure the road ways are safe... Hell, the only structures that spring up during gameplay are a result of Link's direct intervention with Tarrey Town. No, I don't count the house because Link is just paying for the rebuilding of his old house. Fallout 4 does a good job of making the world feel alive, you can see random scavengers out and about, talk to them and find out where they're going, or spot a trade caravan outside of a town and trade with them on the road. You'll find Gunner and Raider's wandering around patrolling their turf, roving gangs of super mutants out pillaging... Even if the player is still responsible for upgrades to facilities of the various settlements around the map, you can still see trade caravans moving between the them to give the illusion of resources being ferried to and fro. Hell, even Farcry 5 gives the illusion that you aren't the only resistance fighter in the state. You can find hunters and fishers out who you can trade with, with the implication that anything they kill or catch is going towards feeding their local resistance cell, spot civilians driving around on occasion, spot people being captured by the cultists, even if those events are being spawned in near the player, it still makes the world feel alive. How are the inns being restocked in BotW if there are no farms near them? Same goes for places like the Gerudo capital, or the Rito capital, there are no farms or anything near them. The Goron eat rocks, so mining is a source of food for them, and there are mines dotting the area around their capital, and the Zora are on the water front, so fishing could fill most of their supply needs. But still, you'd think there would be Zora wandering the waterways to act as fish mongers, or Sheikah from Kakariko hauling food out to the Gerudo and Rito that they can't naturally grow in their areas, or Gorons carting around ores and minerals that can be used in construction and upkeep. There are so many areas in the map you can visit that are utterly desolate, with no other npcs around, and it seems a waste when they could have dotted them with hunting parties with bows out stalking game, or foraging for fruits. Maybe placed small farms out there with generic npcs who grow crops or raise animals that are used for food or medicines... It's 100 years after an apocalypse, and all Hyrule has to show for it is 6 small towns, and a dozen roadside inns. The Commonwealth in Fallout 4 has a sense of agency that doesn't rely on the player finding it first like Hyrule seems to.

[@AdamYJ]

I just find big, mostly empty overworlds overwhelming. I prefer more direction in games.

[@froggycolouring]

@@AdamYJ to be fair in games like oot or mm you do have direction, you’re not supposed to stay in the empty overworld area, the whole point of it is to get you to the next area with a dungeon

[@gabbithealicorn7327]

FINALLY SOMEONE BRINGS UP THE HATE AGAINST MODERN DISNEY!!! The people who complain about the villains especially drive me CRAZY

[@realdragon]

I am a person in between. I don't like modern Disney or DreamWorks. I want movies to be good but I'm just not excited to see new releases and I know it's not because of nostalgia because Turning Red is newer movie and I really liked it, Puss in boots 2 was great movie, Encanto was ok. But then I look at other stuff like Teenage kraken, kung fu panda 4, wish etc.

[@winifredeghrudje9427]

I don’t mind the twist if they’re done well but the quality of some modern movie have dipped. Like Tangled compared Wish Villain is just 🤦🏽‍♀️💔

[@genericname2747]

I like the movies with no real antagonist. Encanto is just about a broken family coming together.

[@gabbithealicorn7327]

@@genericname2747 Same here! I think the story was stronger because there wasn’t necessarily a “bad guy” to pin things on. Sure, Alma wasn’t the greatest, but it was less about blaming her for everything and more about how her own trauma had gradually led to the family becoming so dysfunctional. It just felt more realistic. Not saying I don’t love a classic villain, but stories with complex villains or no villains at all are equally awesome, if not more so because of the layers you can unpack.

[@UltimateDespairado]

Personally I like movies that have a lot of action and funny jokes

[@rosykindbunny1313]

So many people in the Tally Hall fandom hate Be Born, but it's my favorite Tally Hall song. It's just so sweet and wholesome!

[@sketchycat6223]

As a blue exorcist fan, the intense fandom response to the others reactions to finding out Rin is the son of Satan are probably because we experience the entire show from Rin’s perspective & we know how much he’s been though & how he hates being Satan’s son & how it’s ruined most of his life. So to see the characters who have been calling themselves his friends- especially characters like Shiemi or Konekomaru, who’s reasons are very weak- immediately turn their backs on him is just so frustrating. Some of writing doesn’t help. Bon having the most valid reason usually means he’s cut some slack, but we know how heartbreaking it is for Rin to be isolated again. If we had seen some sort of actually talked out scene of the characters reconciling rather than it just sort of instantly happening, I think the fandom would be more forgiving towards the group.