What God hates about the United Methodist Church

[@GordoFabulous]

I went to a UMC church for over ten years. I had been concerned about a lot of things going on from the pulpit, but when they started changing hymns from saying "God the Father" to "God the Creator", I walked out and never looked back.

[@samuelgordonelliott]

I have never heard of any such thing happening. The words in the Hymnal are unchanged since the 1980’s.

[@trimcut4917]

GOD BLESS YOU ❤😊

[@marilynadams349]

I felt Hid was just God. Creator God, savior son God. And Holy Spirit. God

[@johndoe-ln4oi]

If I graduated from a seminary with the intention of entering a certain denomination but discovered that I didn't agree with all of the tenets of that denomination, the honorable thing to do would be to choose a denomination with which I agree theologically. If I were to join the denomination, and take a vow to uphold its tenets even though I have no intention of doing so, that would be deceitful and it would sow discord among the members of that church. It would make me guilty of being that person the Lord hates in Proverbs 6:16.

[@FA-God-s-Words-Matter]

"the honorable thing to do would be to choose a denomination with which I agree theologically" or just don't join any denomination as it is contrary to scripture. "Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all SPEAK THE SAME THING, and that there be NO DIVISIONS among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the SAME MIND and in the SAME JUDGMENT. For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?" 1st Corinth 1:10-13 Nowadays instead of Paul, Apollos, or Cephas its Methodist, Episcopalian, Orthodox, Anabaptist, etc etc

[@johndoe-ln4oi]

@@FA-God-s-Words-Matter So you just don't go to church? That's contrary to Biblical teaching.

[@FA-God-s-Words-Matter]

@@johndoe-ln4oi This response seems (so correct me if I'm wrong) like you are just going to simply ignore the verses put forth. It says not to make divisions so either we are going to keep following Churchianity and denominationalism man has created or will we make a stand and say yes I will follow the Word of God and neither create or participate in any divisions. As for saying not going to church is contrary to "biblical teaching" Jesus never stated that we were supposed to create church buildings. Unfortunately, religious men have misinterpreted the scriptures and believe that when it mentions the word church we are assuming it is like how it is understood today. Most people will misread the scriptures because the word church today means a place of worship, therefore reading the word church in the bible most people will get that wrong. It is never referred to as a place of worship. Can you imagine if church buildings (meaning the actual structure) were in the bible all the enemies would easily find and attack them? So that doesn't make sense. Basically, it just means the people / body of Christ. Therefore went it says the "church that is in such and such house salute you" they mean people in Christ who live in there. Or if the church of x, y, or z city salutes you, they are not referring to a building obviously as buildings don't salute. They mean that the people who live in that town are giving the receiver salutations. That's why it says "IF the church comes together" in 1 Corinthians 14:23 when they gathered and started sharing the: fruits of the Holy Spirit as well as some preaching. Note that everyone had an opportunity to share. Are you going to compare this with what we see in churches today? Usually, one man shows, no participation from those gathered and no manifestation of the Spirit. Did they gather of course, in homes more than likely? But there is no evidence of creating a building, giving it a name, paying for rent, paying salaries, creating a corp, and a slew of paperwork. Not to mention joining a denomination and having to adhere to their man-made rules, paying regular fees just to join their group and so much more that I can fill several pages here. How can anyone justify all of this? Because of a tiny phrase in Hebrews 10:25 that is being taken out of context? The differences between how "believers" are following today and those in the Bible are immensely different. We as believers should not just take what any Christian says to be true but compare their doctrines to the Bible and make a righteous decision to either accept or reject them.

[@johndoe-ln4oi]

@@FA-God-s-Words-Matter The "Church" is the Body of Christ, not a building. We are meant to be together in the Body in fellowship. If you say, don't join a denomination, then are only non-denominational churches acceptable? Or are you saying not to be in fellowship altogether? Please take a deep breath and make your answer more concise, and to the point.

[@FA-God-s-Words-Matter]

@@johndoe-ln4oi I will try to be concise which hopefully will not produce a condescending reply this time. “The Church is the body of Christ and not a building “. I can agree to this. Regarding the fact that we should not join a denomination is not my idea Paul taught us not to be involved in making any kind of divisions or groupings. Regarding Non-denominational churches many if not all will still have in place all the man-made rules and regulations that I mentioned before, most of which you won't find ever written in the Bible. Also just because a church would brand itself as non-denominational doesn't mean that it would not have denominational teachings. Some ND churches have an amalgamation of different churches making it even more confusing. I mentioned before that they did gather together therefore I couldn't be saying not to fellowship. If it's in the Bible then we should follow it. (Just like 1st Corinth. 1:10-13 which I would still like to hear your take of these verses) So the question is do we have to fellowship with churches or denominations simply because they exist? Do we just look past all the contradicting doctrines? The fact that we shouldn't be promoting divisions? The man-man, non-biblical rules? Why can't we just preach the gospel and fellowship without involving ourselves in these institutions many of which treat themselves as a business? Thousands of people are doing home churches everywhere or gathering in the park and so forth. There are no scriptures that say you have to follow them. We are free from the burdens of man-made religion which if you recall the scribes and Pharisees were pushing on people.

[@tytipton6346]

Ohhhh and the NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES. Jesus Christ.

[@tytipton6346]

I grew up in a Methodist Church. It’s heartbreaking to see a schism. I learned about God and the free gift of His Grace there

[@johndoe-ln4oi]

It's not a schism so much as it is a takeover by people who do not believe in its precepts or the entirety of Christ's teachings. It's as if you held a party at your house thinking all of the guests are well-mannered people, but a crowd barges in, slings the food on the floor and against the walls, pours the punch bowl on the floor and kicks holes in the walls. You are unable, or unwilling, to force them out, so you decide to leave.

[@GlennLommasson]

I was part of the UMC for 26 years. We had a vote to disaffiliate which failed by a 60% tp 40% vote (60% to disaffiliate). We launched a new church which is fledgling at this point but surviving.

[@jimbrigdon3294]

god bless and keep you

[@maryhammond1417]

We voted tonight. Heart breaking to have to make these decisions.

[@FA-God-s-Words-Matter]

You should follow what many of the commentators have mentioned here. Just get up and leave this denomination. No need to vote or do anything that requires paperwork, well mainly because that would be ridiculous as it is not biblical, but the main issue is to flee from this legalistic religious UMC world and get back on track of following God and not religion. May God bless all of you.

[@bbphillips1776]

I understand and agree with your statements. As I’m sure you’re aware that LGBT… seems to be at the front of the split for some reason, but my main concern is the misuse of funds (for years);lack of allowing voting. I just left without causing a scene. Sad but that was it for me.

[@FA-God-s-Words-Matter]

Glad to hear you left but the LGBT issue was just the tip of the iceberg, The UMC was bad since its inception and has been getting worse ever since. People ought to flee from this denomination not just for the things coming to light now but because they follow after other books, They sue each other. They believe in infant baptism. They believe in acting as though Christianity was a literal business with all sorts of rules and regulations. Made up titles like superintendent (just like the world). This sect is not just bad it is horribly religious.

[@Rosiesanerivi18]

Methodist is not off God is of the world. I used to be there and God took me and my family out of there, and we found God when we got out of there, and we have a personal relationship with Christ praise his holy Name Jesus forever. I pray everyone that’s in there get out asap and seek Jesus. 🙌🏽🙏✝️

[@thechurch4realgroup704]

Our Pastor grew up in the UMC and left in the mid 1980's over this very issue.

[@FA-God-s-Words-Matter]

Just be glad that he left this weird and contradicting denomination.

[@miniprepper8284]

There is nothing wrong with division if God is dividing wheat from tares.

[@FA-God-s-Words-Matter]

Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment 1st Corinth 1:10 Um yeah there is......🤔

[@robertmiller812]

@@FA-God-s-Words-Matter Amen well said

[@PaleojayBowers]

Has everyone forgotten about Sodom and Gommorah??

[@FA-God-s-Words-Matter]

That is what is happening now. Or I should say been happening as the UMC has been going downhill for years, even host has said so.

[@samuelgordonelliott]

What about love and forgiveness?

[@PaleojayBowers]

​@@samuelgordonelliottObviously, we forgive the sinner. But we don't accept the sin! Above all, we don't glorify it.

[@samuelgordonelliott]

@@PaleojayBowers and who’s job is it to judge?

[@PaleojayBowers]

@@samuelgordonelliott God told us in Sodom and Gomorrah. It's just not fashionable to recognize it now...

[@timothylong880]

The world is taking over the Word Of GOD!!! It’s sad! My church as FMC Loves all and everyone! I Love all of God’s children.

[@FA-God-s-Words-Matter]

Well I wouldn't put it that way. The world is manipulating certain churches, yes. Other denominations are not having these problems some have no idea about all the mud slinging happening within this sect. The problem is that man-made churches are being affected but def not the word of God. That is why no one should be involved in any sect but stick the word of God much less the UMC which if one does a deep review of their beliefs have a ton of contradictory and unscriptural rules and doctrines.

[@klausmaerz197]

I only WISH I could say that this problem was EXCLUSIVELY the United Methodist denomination. However, it occurs in the Roman Catholic Church, the Episcopal Church, the Orthodox Church, the Lutherans have this problem, and so do the Presbyterians. Sadly, even the Assemblies of God , Calvary Chapels, Christian and Missionary Alliance, and yes, that includes the Southern Baptists. We are ALL at fault with these divisions. See the book of 1 Corinthians. There are divisions both between but even more so within Church denominations.

[@FA-God-s-Words-Matter]

This is true that is why we should not be following ANY denomination the bible forbids it. “Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?” 1st Cor. 1:10-13 We are to speak the SAME THING and NOT be divided. So it's time to be obedient and flee from this group and not take up the name of any group, sect or denomination.

[@ohthankg-dforthebourgeoisi9800]

It ALL began with the Great Schism.

[@FA-God-s-Words-Matter]

@@ohthankg-dforthebourgeoisi9800 It all began when someone thought it was a good idea to create a sect called Methodism. No one in the Bible asked anyone to create such a sect and there is certainly no reason to follow it. It is full of man-made doctrines and rules. If you have any respect of the Bible then one should not have any association with any group.

[@JohnYoder-vi1gj]

@@FA-God-s-Words-Matter I cannot understand why anyone who actually reads the Bible would be ok with this denomination. It has so many flaws it should have never been made up.

[@jasonmatthews7829]

I agree 💯, that being said, in all fairness the adherence to the book of discipline, which all split denominations were in accordance with, dictated that all Church property was held in Congregation. That's why it's so disheartening to see so many individual Churches that have voted to disfellowship are still, instead, jumping right back into circles that hold the exact same structural underpinning. Churches that are voting to disaffiliate need to bear that in mind, they go down that route and their right back to where they started in another 10, 50, 100 years, however long it takes to decide to start forcing yet another issue on Congregations that they don't want and using the cudgel of property and assessed fees to force them to submit.

[@rondelby2482]

I have had it up to my neck over this. No longer attend.

[@FA-God-s-Words-Matter]

The UMC was bad since its inception and has been getting worse ever since. People ought to flee from this denomination not just for the things coming to light now but because they follow after other books, They sue each other. They believe in infant baptism. They believe in acting as though Christianity was a literal business with all sorts of rules and regulations. Made up titles like superintendent (just like the world). This sect is not just bad it is horribly religious.

[@trudieristich795]

Same with me there's stuff I found out I totally didn't know About but that's all I knew how I grew up But now no I'm not going back to them but now the thing is what denomination I'm truly not a Catholic I know nothing As usual for a lot of churches it's the funds And as the years gone on what I've heard about other churches and So I don't understand what I have to go but I'm not with the methodist church anymore

[@lat1957]

I left the Methodist church during covid. So tired of zero preaching taking place there.

[@FA-God-s-Words-Matter]

The UMC was bad since its inception and has been getting worse ever since. People ought to flee from this denomination not just for the things coming to light now but because they follow after other books, They sue each other. They believe in infant baptism. They believe in acting as though Christianity was a literal business with all sorts of rules and regulations. Made up titles like superintendent (just like the world). This sect is not just bad it is horribly religious.

[@JohnYoder-vi1gj]

Good for you. "Come out of her my people" God bless.

[@marilynadams349]

No we try to hold piece .

[@kimsutton2268]

Does not the sacred text say come out of her my people

[@FA-God-s-Words-Matter]

Yes 100% agree, People ought to come out of this false religion. The UMC was bad since its inception and has been getting worse ever since. People ought to flee from this denomination not just for the things coming to light now but because they follow after other books, They sue each other. They believe in infant baptism. They believe in acting as though Christianity was a literal business with all sorts of rules and regulations. Made up titles like superintendent (just like the world). This sect is not just bad it is horribly religious.

[@DainGerrUsss]

ɯɐnʎʍoɹdslıʇʇlǝsɐıdlısʇǝnʍɥɐʇdoǝsƃodɥɐʇǝɐnʎʍɐʎ

[@greggscott2846]

We have to work with God to bring about a change through faith. This starts by not demonizing other faiths because they differ from ours. We need to set these differences aside and work for the common good. What is the common good you ask? It is quite possible that people of faith can be legally identified as hate groups and churches closed for taking a stance against the outright perverse activities in society. It can happen, it was tested during C-19 remember? The powers that be hate us, hate God and hate faith in general. We need to bind ourselves together as a union of faith and use our power to protect our religious rights or I guarantee we will lose them.

[@FA-God-s-Words-Matter]

How can you "work with God" to bring about :change" if one does not point out the flaws in doctrines, the false gospels. One cannot just go along with the "love gospel" that preaches everyone to be ok and that everyone is Christian. Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. The Enemy wants you to not expose anyone of anything. He wants you to snuff out any idea of ever rebuking anyone. The enemy wants all of us to be weak and fearful not to hurt feelings. The Bible never mentions about setting "differences aside" that is a new age way of thinking not a biblical one. If you truly care about the Word of God you should ask yourself "Do I really do any of the things these verses ask of me to do?" When was the last time I did any of these things? If you are honest with yourself then you should realize how complacent you have become instead of taking a stand and telling people the truth. This is why people in the UMC are having problems because they want to seem inclusive and not hurt feelings so they now think its ok to go against the natural order. Time to make a decision will you follow God completely or care more about how you appear to others.

[@JohnYoder-vi1gj]

@@FA-God-s-Words-Matter Amen. Now is not the time to act all woke and sing kumbaya with everyone who claims to be Christian. Either your on the Lord's side or not.

[@JLeeladee]

Firstly, we need to define who qualifies as "brethren"...(or , are ALL people children of God, whether they live in willful sin and/or condone it ?). Yes, God calls us to love ALL people... but, what more does scripture have to say? Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership can righteousness have with wickedness? Or what fellowship does light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? What agreement can exist between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will dwell with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be My people. “Therefore come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you.”...And: “I will be a Father to you, and you will be My sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.” Also here, Jesus is talking to those living in willful sin--John 8:41-47... Jesus says, "You are doing the works of your own father.” "They replied, “We aren’t illegitimate children! God himself is our true Father.” Jesus told them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, because I have come to you from God. I am not here on my own, but he sent me. Why can’t you understand what I am saying? It’s because you can’t even hear me! For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies. So when I tell the truth, you just naturally don’t believe me! Which of you can truthfully accuse me of sin? And since I am telling you the truth, why don’t you believe me? Anyone who belongs to God listens gladly to the words of God. But you don’t listen because you don’t belong to God.” What say you? I say, contend for the faith, walk in-love, and leave UMC harmoniously. It is a shame that the conservatives are the ones who have to abandon ship- that in itself is a tell-all to UMC's spiritual state. Obviously, the truth has not been taught for many years. Who has let the wolves in the back door? How did it get to this condition? What can pastors learn from this? Praying for UMC's healing.🙏✝

[@nambamtber]

I'm not really sure what argument you are attempting to make in relation to this video.

[@JLeeladee]

@@nambamtber no argument...just sharing some thoughts ... praying for a peaceful transition for all. It's not easy. (I used to be in UMC as a UMVIM.) 🙏✝🙏

[@bobseymour6870]

We all need to deal with repentance

[@marilynadams349]

Proverbs 6 vs 16

[@susanfetner2962]

I have a question rather than a comment. I was taught that the New Covenant was implemented by our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. The New Covenant is explained, clarified and defined by the New Testament. Therefore, the Old Testament is the old covenant. If this is true, why then do Christians make any reference to the Old Testament for following rules? To me, that is saying the New Covenant isn’t absolute. Am I wrong?

[@nambamtber]

The argument for old testament teaching is based on primarily, I believe, the comment from Christ, when declared that He did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it.

[@barronfinley3062]

Even Jesus said he came not to destroy the law but to fulfill the law.

[@BrendaAl-Rifai]

There is also the point that tge New Testament explains the Old Testament. Yes indeed. We are under the NEW Covenant, The Jesus Covenant and can refer to the 5 Solas Amen. Our Lord died that we, the whosoever can be assured of his promise. For by faith we are saved that not of ourselves it is a gift of God not if works lest anyway should boast. Finally essentially there will always be those whose beliefs are not of the word of God who states that his son died for our sins, the job was done at Calvary. We must not be fooled by false prophets who creep in unawares. We are advised by God's word to come out from among those who would try to usurp the word of God and be ye separate for what Fellowship can light have with😂 darkness. It will only draw you away from TRUTH. Stick to word of God and preach its purity otherwise Christ's sacrifice have been pointless. Today people focus and self and works, the self, the self, just impress your Lord and Saviour and HE WILL LEAD YOU AND GUIDE YOU IN THE WAY OF MINISTRY TO THE UNBELUEVERS. AMEN AND AMEN😊

[@marilynadams349]

Listen and test with scripture and prayers at home and in peace . Seek leading of Holy spiritual. I cannot say a decision .?

[@jilllowman9848]

I can't watch anymore. I don't think John Wesley and John Calvin ever made videos. There is dissension in all denominations, not just the UMC. God loves everyone and Jesus commanded us to do the same.

[@FA-God-s-Words-Matter]

I agree 100%. I'm sure there are many reasons for the dissension but the main one that sticks out like a sore thumb especially if you are a Bible-believing Christian is 1 Corinthians 1:10-13. We are not to make divisions and should obviously not be in agreement with division making aka denominationalism. Also I can understand how you would not want to watch this guy and his video as he doesn't offer any solutions but if you followed him as I have as he is all for denominationalism instead of taking a stand and defend the Bible that preaches against it.

[@garyshewmake3830]

To.minnyprepper wen Jesus separates wheat frum tare what ever it'll be in judgement dprtmnt I don't thnk its bein delt wth down here

[@jestrilalvarado8473]

Who is to blame? The IRD and GMC iniatiated the division. Why blame the UMC?

[@carolbair2160]

Our Lord doesn’t hate he ❤

[@jimmycarter9099]

I love everyone the BLT why all these labels

[@annpippin6388]

God does nt hateThe UMC or people . Only Satan hates churchs . Opinion

[@janenehorton6558]

We need to be open to both sides. Thank you

[@FA-God-s-Words-Matter]

So there are no absolutes in your view? There is only ONE side and that's God's side everything else is waste.

[@leoinsf]

The solution to the problem does not lie in scriptures! It is all about who Jesus was: His acceptance of people, His hatred of the "pharisees" of our churches who make ceremony and scripture everything and people unimportant! The gay issue is symptomatic of the kind of blindness that happens when a people bury their heads in scriptures and do not recognize the humanity of all the peoples of Earth. "Scripture-mongers" are not followers of Christ!

[@FA-God-s-Words-Matter]

"It is all about who Jesus was" um how do you think one is to know what Jesus is about if not by Scripture? If you choose to follow Jesus and that because of the Bible then you have to take the rest whether you find it pleasing or not.

[@leoinsf]

@@FA-God-s-Words-Matter Reading scriptures is important, but making everything about scriptures is wrong! I am sure that Jesus would consider "people" more important than "scriptures! Jesus entrance into the world is to show His love for His creation - not to become something recorded in scriptures. Jesus is all about love, charity, and acceptance. Jesus ' death on the cross is the ultimate act of love! To make "the avoidance of sin" as the reason for religion is to belittle who Jesus is and to belittle the reason we are on Earth in the first place.

[@FA-God-s-Words-Matter]

@@leoinsf I'm guessing you never read the part that mentions the woman caught in adultery. The people quoted scripture to justify throwing stones and Jesus wasn't going against it he told them. he who is without sin to cast the first stone. Jesus would never go against scripture for people. When he comes back he will judge because of what was already written and will judge accordingly to those who didn't accept him. Don't you For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

[@leoinsf]

@@FA-God-s-Words-Matter Continue to "bury" your head (and brains) in scriptures and you will miss who the real Jesus is! You are living in the Middle Ages when everything was about sin and the avoidance of sin and earning heaven! Jesus birth, life, and death puts a lie to the focus on sin, scripture instead of on the poor and helpless in our midst who need our help. Jesus was about love, charity, and acceptance, not scripture, morality, and the negative attitude that you need to earn heaven. God is our Father and He loves His children. Heaven is a gift from a loving father . . .!

[@FA-God-s-Words-Matter]

@@leoinsf With all due respect when it comes to burying their heads in the sand it would have to be you as I gave you solid biblical verses and it seems that you are ignoring them (not to mention being a little too angry here for a supposed "Christian") Please note I never mentioned that one can earn heaven. The Bible states that we are saved by grace through faith and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God. So it seems that you are not understanding me at all. I reiterate that no one can earn heaven or salvation. Jesus did it all for us at the cross. The Bible clearly states: This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success. Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the LORD thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest. Josua 1:8-9 Scripture is very important especially if one wants to know who God is which you seem to be expressing. Knowing that Jesus was and is love charity and acceptance all came from the Bible. There is nothing wrong with reading and adhering to scripture. It says: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Tim 3:16-17 So let;s keep God's words that I am sharing here and not downplay its importance. Remember it is God who is saying this not any man. God bless.

[@rob1978]

Your angry sounding click-bait title made me mistake it as a Westboro Baptist Church. But the you say you don’t want to promote division. Ha ha.

[@nambamtber]

I take it you didn't actually watch the whole video then.

[@lorainabogado]

you have no idea what this deity hates - none

[@Anony584]

Yes we do. He hates sin. The Bible is very clear on that.

[@lorainabogado]

@@Anony584 You and your deity hate the same things - including yourself