🙊 What Gran Turismo is NOT Telling about the NEW Physics... || Gran Turismo 7

[@niallmccallum]

The fact tyre temps are so crucial to the cars performance yet there is no way to monitor the temperature is ridiculous.

[@BostonFaith]

There is. A simple tablet with an app called Sim Dashboard should be enough.

[@D4rK86]

It should be a inGame Feature, for real and that's fact ;)

[@Mr.X2188]

​@BostonFaith It should be available in the game by default, like EVERY OTHER RACING GAME IN EXISTENCE. PD really makes me mad with how they treat this game. It has so much potential that is just wasted by them not fixing issues, like the Gr1 and Gr2 Bop, or the lack of creativity in the Daily Races

[@BostonFaith]

@@D4rK86 very true. The data is available, we also have tyre wear on the screen. They just need to add the temperstures, but hey its PD. :)

[@titohernandez830]

ACC is better than GT7

[@michaelpage5499]

I agree the new physics suit my driving style as well. Some of the cars are “harder” to drive but I see it more as car characteristics that require a different approach. It’s less gamey and more sim like now. The tyre temp thing is interesting,I’ll be keeping an eye on that one 👍🏼👍🏼

[@caliginousmoira8565]

so... hard to drive is sim...... i used to drive the f out of my work truck and it wasn't hard at all. bad brakes, got it.... bad tires no, that's only time i lost control, it was in snow and all i did was pull away from the light. so i went back to the shop and stole tires from another truck.

[@Webzterr]

In my opinion, the game has never felt better than it does currently. It is really a massive leap from my point of view. I also think that tyres having a working window actually makes racing more fun because strategy comes into play. Without tyre considerations or fuel managing, it can be a dull experience. At least we got some tyres to look after now, racers have to do that...

[@milhad.salihi]

This is seriously the most informative GT channel on YT, by leaps and bounds. Great video and thanks!

[@tidgney]

I appreciate the kind words, thankyou! I try to do my best where I can, so it's really nice to hear 💛

[@BimmerDudeXi]

Managing tyres is part racing. If you go hard on your tyres in the beginning of the race, you should expect fast degradation and then slower lap times by the end of the race. If you can save your tyres throughout the race, then youre basically rewarding yourself towards the end of the race more grip. What i do wish is for longer races where managing tyres is a thing in daily c but especially in the nations and manufactures races. I feel this a good step towards the right direction bringing GT7 from somewhat arcade style to more towards sim.

[@KenKaniff-dw4jw]

Gimme arcade

[@tidgney]

The issue is that we have no information about the tyres so some people will have no idea what's happening. It's like the start of a race alot of the community don't understand tyres are cold as you're never told that anywhere in the game.

[@DhatLex]

@@tidgneygranted but as a racer and a car enthusiast, you should know you need to warmup the tires before going ripping up the track. Managing the vehicle is apart of racing.

[@tidgney]

@@DhatLex The game is for everyone, not just race car enthusiasts. The game at no point tells you this information. How would the general population who buy the game to enjoy know this? They wouldn't which is the critical problem. I know tyre temps are an issue but others do not and it's stated nowhere.

[@DhatLex]

@@tidgney it’s a car game. Ppl that play car games are typically car enthusiasts. It’s like saying “idc for basketball but I’ll play 2k”

[@andreashunter4513]

Having moved to a wheel a year ago, and with the incredible help you provide the community, I've been improving to the extent I was really enjoying GT7. The game's become harder and less forgiving. Sure, some is about skill. I get that. But I'm A class, usually around 500-750 on the daily race qualifying times, and top 1,000 on the time trials. I'm no alien, but I'm clearly decent. By definition, less able players still be less able and quick to adapt. I feel I've got to relearn how to drive and, frankly, it feels like I'm going to just need to go slower and have less fun for a while before maybe being able to adjust. Changing the game to be less fun for good players, and i assume those less good as well, but in ways that are helping top 100 people like you Tidge, seems a strange thing to do. And then there are all the real things they need to fix. This has been a real backwards step.

[@LongEarthTradingCompany]

Came here to say this! Agree 100%.

[@tidgney]

I agree with you, it should be fun to drive and want to drive not a feeling of "I've got to learn this" or the feeling of the car crashing constantly.

[@zakuraayame5091]

Tire temps mattering ... my positive idea for it; make a race D for one-offs. tire temp races that make sense: a hot place on a hot day (desert track, high noon race, summer solstice; conversely cold track) those should have tire temps on screen. race D could also host Gr1/GrB more often, multi-class endurance, 1+ hour races though I think a Sport random track races; you pick your car (ex: Gr4) and you get matched with others who want to run the same group. sorry, i've let my adhd get the best of me and am rambling, apologies. Thanks for another well done video, appreciated as always!

[@robwr737]

I've been screaming for 5 daily races options each week for a long long time. Pd doesn't care, doesn't listen. Game is broken 💩

[@AmericasAlgebraTeacher]

OMG - I thought it was only me. The 911 has been undrivable for me. Thanks for doing the deep dive!

[@manuel8149]

Same here. Thougt my wheel is broken...

[@pg6576]

Speaking for myself, I was dying for PD to change the physics, so much so that I was transitioning to ACC. They're better now.

[@GoatedAtNFS]

braking and losing control at certain steering angles in certain cars is not realistic

[@pg6576]

@GoatedAtNFS I haven't experienced that, but the way the cars move and slide generally is much more realistic.

[@JunoBuh]

It's not like that in acc. Cars in acc are completly predictable unlike the current state of gt7.

[@Arctic3OD]

​@@pg6576I haven't played recently, how would you describe the new physics? How does it affect your cornering? I've heard that it's more realistic and understeery, but that doesn't mean much. I thought pre-patch Gr3 setups were too stable already.

[@ArthaxtaDaVince777]

​@@GoatedAtNFS Gt7 is similar to AC1 now. They jad that in ac1, one wrong brake and turnaround dn your car was going to spin out.

[@josephmatuszak3855]

My biggest qualm - I have over 1000 tuned cars in my garage... they are all different now and need to be resorted.

[@tidgney]

That was 1 thing I forgot to mention (My notes crashed) and I was meant talk about the time people had put in to setups already

[@diedforurwins]

Can you imagine being PRIAINO.

[@bigt43]

​@@tidgney have you got a video covering that topic now? I really appreciate your input as a youtuber who plays and studies the game more than I have the mental capacity to do lol, I've enjoyed Gran Turismo since the original on PS1, as the games physics progressed, I was growing up, and to have what we have now days, PS5 capabilities and a modern GranTurismo, I'm so happy about that, but have had some hiccups getting used to the newer physics although I'm mostly attuned to it again, re-tuning cars is the part that is too much like trial and error for me, I just want to enjoy driving and racing on here. I hope that was coherent it's nearly 3am my insomniac brain is somewhat lagging lol

[@Andy2150]

Timestamps: 0:12 - Tidge Cam is back! Funny Physics in Show 1:13 - Wet Weather Physics (Wet Tire Run) 4:09 - Wet Track, Racing Soft Tires 5:09 - Changes in Setups? v1.49 7:57 - v1.49 BOP with 1.48 Setup 10:23 - Daily Race C and Problems needed to be fixed! 17:37 - GTWS Race and the BIG Problem. 19:37 - Outro and Conclusion

[@1967Stotty]

Diff settings have always over powered pretty much everything else in modern GT games, particularly decel. LSD decel at 40 (old settings) is super high, and will make the car very stable on the brakes, which allows you to trail brake harder and just have more confidence on entry. The increase in rear toe (+0.2 -> +0.3) PD have added to off set the toe reduction (40 -> 30) isn’t enough to offset set this and there’s your instability on entry. More rear toe also increases undesteer mid corner, and on exit. (More rear downforce will also magnify this). It’s unlikely the settings are individual to each car… much more likely is they have 8 stock set ups (for camber/toe/diff); FR, FF, MR and RR (x2… one for race cars, one for road cars)… springs and dampers will be calculated using some algorithm based on a cars absolute weight and weight distribution. The question is why have they reduced LSD decel? And are the physics really ‘NEW’, or have they just made these random set up changes and called it new physics?

[@kosmokaziracing]

The odd way you have to use downshifts to rotate the cars is somewhat improved this update. Your remarks are really good. I wish they’d clean up the model though as the tire model was too simple to be leveraged the way they have tried to do so. It’s like they tried to make it like F1 and that’s just not what every Motorsports series or sim needs to be.

[@servando]

I'm so glad you brought up the Porsche, since the update I've been locking up the brakes simply looking at 'em. It's really made it a lot more difficult to control the car with the new tune used by the BOP, and removed a lot of the confidence I had in it. And I couldn't agree more that they need to update the hud with tyre temps/pressures if they're going to make it such a focus of the game... It's like they looked at ACC and said "what if we could make tires more irritating to manage? That's what people want right? ✅"

[@milan1399]

Since the new update the Porsche is completely unusable now 😭

[@sailingenki2038]

@@milan1399The porsche handles better now..

[@TCR_Sonic]

I cant believe my one comment yesterday started that whole setup conversation but it was leading to interesting information coming out from loads of other players. It was fantastic to see

[@tidgney]

It's a weird one as I was going to test anyway but not for the Tuesday video. After our big discussion I was like, ok I think alot of people will be interested and after testing was like this needs speaking out about.

[@ST.DEWYIV]

I’ve changed some of the cars to the settings you’ve entered onto the Porsche, and instantly it’s made a huge improvement. Wasn’t even aware they’d messed with some of the cars settings to suit the new physics

[@VQS_Ntinoskonsta]

You cooked with this, I really hope this reaches PD. The new physics have made most things feel better, personally I'm over the moon with how high downforce drives now. Gr3 setup changes were unnecessary and just bad, my McLaren feels like a barge now under bop but with the old setup it's lovely and doesn't have the old physics trail braking issue. I don't really mind the tyre model, it's something to get used to and feels quite rewarding when you're looking after the tyres, but it's stupid that we can't see the temps when they're so important. The changes are good overall but they've given themselves a lot of extra work to do :/

[@Racer_DM]

ACC GR3 handling was so much better but I enjoyed the fact you could throw GT7 cars around in a more arcade fashion. Now the physics are moving towards more realistic handling I think its made it better in GT7. Needs more finesse and concentration. Especially weight transfer and how you handle corners - down shifting, while putting weight on one side during trail braking adds more weight transfer so this is more realistic. Just need to learn how to better handle it all. As for tire temps - installed the Sim Dashboard app on my phone - works great! Definitely noticed the 'windows' and the impact of spins on the lack of traction for the next few corners. PD definitely need to add the tire temps to the game

[@DigidiBoom]

its crazy when old gt had tyre temps and better wear representation then gt7 has.... real shame..

[@vaibhavm1007]

Thanks for such an informative video Tidge. I was wondering why everything was suddenly understeering so badly and getting wrecked by taking any curbs whatsoever thanks to the physics changes? This explains I’m not just losing my marbles!! I don’t mind the wet weather physics either but the amount of understeer and snap oversteer is just so hard to handle! Also explains why trying the 911 on the Red Bull ring time trial in the wet this week was so unbelievably hard!!!

[@mdrlz]

911 RSR used to be my main dailies Gr3 rig. Went to Bathurst yesterday morning and it was like on rollerblades. Undriveable. Last week's Atlanta Gr4 race wasn't actually bad at all after the update. Slight drop in lap times but overall felt all right. But man, 911; finally was able to run couple of OK Daily B races today but it feels sooo sketchy. This video explains a lot, thanks

[@colinshackleford8345]

I feel exactly the same about Road Atlanta v this week; I had a good week there (low Dr B), won a race and got several good finishes, and overall was wondering what the fuss was about the new physics! Not so this week, it’s been a real wake up call as I have really struggled in the RSR at TM. Tanked Dr down to mid-C. As for race C, only tried that once and was pretty terrible, but I can’t entirely blame the update for that 😂!

[@kosmokaziracing]

Really interesting video. Thanks. I did notice the bigger drama on tire temps when trying the new physics for the first time. It’s a bit discouraging. Seems a bit extreme IMO.

[@eyeceman6995]

Thank you Tidge for speaking for all of us frustrated players out there. I love the amount of detail you go into to prove how broken some of these things are truly broken! 🙏

[@plampard7813]

It does feel good when the car tunes are not screwed. However some cars I was lightning fast in seem to scrape the floor now/bounce around some corners. I've tried a lot of things but just can't seem to get it to work normally. It really takes the fun out of the game trying to be a mechanic and fixing the cars (without a clue how).

[@DeadSceneMedia]

I'm stoked on the inclusion of tire temps. I was using sim dashboard before the update in ACC so it's nice to be able to use in in gt7 tho, those temps should be available IN GAME

[@timmytimmy9099]

Thoroughly good content, Tidge. I hope PD take note of it, because it looks like they have taken a significant step backwards.

[@scorpiondynastyracing5428]

@tidgney Our league is working on a pre/post update study where we had a group of our fastest drivers (controller and wheel players) complete ten laps on three circuits(H,M,L BOP), in two different cars(MR/FR), on all three compounds pre and post update. We then collected telemetry (tire temps, suspension settings, lap times, etc) and recorded tire wear on all of the saved replays and are analyzing that data to draw conclusions. Reach out if you're interested in getting access to our data before we publish the results.

[@tidgney]

I wouldn't want to steal or use any work before you publish it but I am looking forward to seeing those results!

[@realcrazyhenkie]

Great video overall in terms of analysis. I do agree on these points: - Inconsistent track limit penalties. The game should have clear rules that are explained and consistently applied on every track. - Worse BoP forced setups on the Porsche Gr. 3. I agree with your great driving and the conclusion that it's strange they nerfed the BoP setup instead of just changing power and weight figures. - The physics being strange with having too much grip with the slicks on a track with more than 2/3 of the meter filled. It's clear that this is pretty wrong. - Temperature dependency on tyres not clear to the players. When it becomes such a dominant factor to performance, it should not be hidden from players. I agree somewhat with the game not needing to be a 'tyre [managing] simulator' like those bad sims from Kunos (my own opinion based on comparisons with real life racing). Real life GT3 racing is much more about pushing the cars every single lap and not managing the tyres. No nonsense with fake optimal tyre pressure windows like in those Kunos games, because in real life all cars tend to run minimum allowable tyre pressure in the race for maximum grip over the entire stint and they only put on higher pressures for qualifying to get the car quickly into the right temperature window (= grip window). In fact; if anything, temperature should be somewhat of a limiting factor, but the problem in GT7 is that there is no way to adjust the temperatures within the BoP'd settings, as important parameters like camber and toe settings are locked, and tyre pressures are not a variable defined by the user. So this dependency on temperature being implemented in GT7 is a step in the right direction in terms of simulation, but it lacks the player adjustability in the game and that makes it a half-baked implementation for now. Hopefully this will change for the better in the future. Unfortunately, I find some points in the video to be somewhat questionable: - The barrier penalties on Bathurst are disliked by you, but I would argue that they are actually way too underwhelming and forgiving for players. Your crash at 12:32 would result in a totaled car in real life and would 100% be a DNF, so be glad that the game is very forgiving and only gives you a net 4 second penalty. Same with Bradley at 22:59; he would have totaled his car in real life with that lack of precision driving. - The track limit penalty you complain about is based on a cherry-picked picture and it should have been a slow-motion video clearly showing that your car never goes outside the white lines with more than two tyres from start to end of the corner. It could very well be that your car would have three tyres outside the white lines in the seconds just before or after that picture, if only by a few millimeters. - The notion that the driving changes are purely because of setup changes and not underlying physics, based on only the Porsche. You should try out a much wider range of road and race cars from all kinds of power, weight and downforce levels and you will notice that indeed the changes to the suspension geometry and tyre heating model will be much more drastic. It just happens to be that the physics changes do not change the Porsche that much when using the old setup parameters, but that conclusion can certainly not be extrapolated to the whole range of available cars in an umbrella statement that the physics have 'barely changed'. - I disagree with you saying 'the physics wasn't a big request on anybody's list' at 10:30. Even if a majority of players feel that way, that does not mean they are right. They could just be averse to change and like to play GT because it has always been so forgiving and easy to become a top A+ driver, instead of wanting the game to become better. I, however, have always welcomed GT into becoming a better simulation and I would argue that the new physics changes are the best thing that have happened to GT7 yet, bar some bugs and weird behavior on edge cases that have been acknowledged as a known issue and hopefully will be fixed in a later patch. In my own opinion, I love it when the game is more about the driver adapting to changing grip conditions and car behaviour every single lap, instead of just hitting braking, steering and acceleration points that barely move throughout the entire race, while at the same time enjoying cars with too much stability. This is why Gr. 3 and Gr. 4 cars were terribly boring for me to drive in Sport mode because I felt they were way easier to drive than in real life in terms of stability and consistency and I didn't like that a lot of people were performing very consistently whereas they did not deserve to with their lack of precision in driving inputs. Post patch, GT7 has become much more of a drivers' game and less of a gamers' game, if that makes any sense. You can actually feel the cars doing micro slides on their tyres and move about on their tyres with a certain extra level of pliability, even in Gr. 3 and Gr. 4 cars, and braking in the same way lap after lap is not possible anymore as it requires momentary adaptation by the players in races with tyre wear on, just like in real life. The drivers that overdrive their car on a micro-level will have much higher tyre wear, as you demonstrate at the end of your video. The amount of the tyre wear could be arguable, but I am glad that it has actually become a factor that defines performance differences among drivers. A HUGE step up from the game in its pre-1.49 state. People with more precision will be rewarded and drivers who have bad braking, steering and throttle technique will lose time everywhere, just like in real life. I love it and I really hope the game moves towards this simulation direction even more in the coming years, be it as another rework towards the physics or as a continued effort in GT8. Overall, even if I don't agree with everything, I thoroughly enjoy the effort you put in these videos, so many thanks for making these!

[@tidgney]

Appreciate your very detailed opinion (Always happy to hear different opinions)! Just one on the cherry picked picture, I promise it wasn't cherry picked, that was the closest over the white line, the next frame I'm more on it again.

[@pian-0g445]

One thing I would like them to implement though either later in 7 or 8, is ‘simple physics’. Sort of like psp where there was normal and advanced. Only for single player, but when you consider that GT is a sim with the biggest reach, it still needs to appeal to the casual audience, or those who enjoyed GT for its single player content. And obv online uses advanced, but maybe custom races have a choice as well. But glad GT is trying to be a sim than stagnate.

[@oxypillix]

Some cars are just easier on tires than others..for many reasons. They should have those temperatures displayed, though.

[@heinous70]

That lift oversteer in Porsche, is the code simulating the ridiculous engine braking power of flat engines, along with the weight distribution. My first two real Vehicles were hot rod VW Beetles, and they were the same way. Spirited driving required learning to heal toe, or you would get yourself in trouble. I'd like to know what was acquired from the Michelin licensing. I'm sure some Tire data was part of the deal, but did they add physics parameters, or simply help polyphony improve what they already had established. I agree.. it's time for some marshall AI

[@joshwalker390]

So far, the disparity between the Gr.3 cars seems really off. I know I need more time to practice the new physics, but my optimum times in the Viper Gr.3 went down a full second at Autopolis after the physics update. From 1.45.068 to 1.46.175. I'm sure there's some variables there but a full second? Ooof.

[@CharlieBravoHotel]

I have cars and racecars lap times before the update, and after the update they are all slower like you said about a second.

[@clacky78]

I had connected up SIMHUB about 3 weeks before the changes so not had much time to compare yet. One thing that was happening in time trials for the dailies (although people say tyre temps doesn't affect them) they all start off at 70deg, softs got hotter and you were best to stay out and put a few laps in, hards dropped off and you were better to restart. Hards were down about 1-2 Deg after a lap on average and then dropped again after the 2nd. Yet to see what's happening now.

[@tidgney]

I'm doing some tests on that currently as I am one of those people that don't believe tyre temps matter in any event where there's no tyre wear. I'll see how the testing goes though.

[@clacky78]

@@tidgney there is a chance they are there but polyphony have written them out of qualifying, but then there is certain events you think mmm I'm getting quicker each lap and others halfway through the second lap you feel no grip restart. Either it's placebo affect or it is what hard and soft tyres do in qualifying 🤷🏼‍♂️ look forward to seeing your results Tidge 👍 I haven't had chance since update to do much 😔

[@qlikbox]

I've just started to play ACC and whilst I was learning, this GT7 update was released. GT7 now feels similar to ACC and I'm having to relearn a lot. Maybe it's just a coincidence but for me at least, as a rookie, they feel similar now. I guess over time that can only be a good thing. But as I'm new, I'd appreciate your view on it, as you've a lot more experience.

[@iBrake4Squirrelz]

Are you using weak ABS or default? I remember your video about it from a couple months ago, but I was wondering if you changed it with this update.

[@tidgney]

I am back to using default now.

[@KarenTondro]

@@tidgneyis default or weak better?

[@kosmokaziracing]

And as a dedicated Porsche-phile in the game, it’s a bit of a two edged sword. I do appreciate that they want to make sure it’s a challenge to drive even the easier handling car, the dynamics they have chosen to effect are really weird in ways.

[@Tacko14]

No mate, the thing about dry tyres in the wet is turning all assists on. Now, we don't do that here. But it shouldn't be, because some will do it and not pit

[@tidgney]

If it's random weather you're not going to turn all assists on and then off again mid race in my opinion. Or at least it's very hard to do that.

[@sunnyjo1]

I was driving the porsche last night in daily race B on a pad and I thought it drove better than before ! On a pad you get improved turn in while trail breaking and it is easier to catch the back end !!! I increased my DR from B to A with four podiums and a win. Could it be that the new physics is easier on a pad ?

[@JeffWeselyan]

Kinda but it harder for me

[@sarahorton9223]

I go back and forth between pad and wheel. I found that while on the wheel, it's a bit harder to trail brake, and took a little while adjusting to, but I like them. While on the pad, I have needed to actively tell myself to go really smooth with inputs, and especially easy on the brake trigger. I imagine more people will need to use assists on pad or they are going to have issues with some cars "ping ponging" left and right, it's much harder to get the car settled if you make a mistake.

[@scarfejs_]

Using motion control here, was top 700-1400 and only 1-2 secs slower in race, now i am top 300-500 wich is a major improvement but i‘m slower 2-4 secs in race and no idea how to improve, it is harder for controllers

[@HAMSTERKILLER666]

So much brutal honesty 😄 Great video! The pit exit is BS on mount panorama. If you don't let go of the throttle on some cars you go straight in the wall.

[@Mattsretiring]

So getting a clean race bonus indicator is impossible but making wholesale changes to the physics can be done at a whim.

[@YappingGamerDad]

I really dont get it. GT/PD has always had this "cold tire" start of the race.....but instead of giving me the information, just make it vague, like i have to take the first 3 to 6 corners of the race very tentatively. But im not sure? Why?! GIVE ME A DAMN READING ON THE TIRES! IT CANT BE THAT HARD! YOU ALREADY APPLIED THE PHYSICS, GIVE ME THE INFO!

[@sil.o75]

That bathurst penalty is WIIILLLLDDDDD

[@philgoguen4791]

I'm quite disappointed in the update... I don't play daily, and tried my RSR and did nothing but spin, and when I DID set a lap... I was 3 seconds slower. ACC is looking more promising as my go-to racing game... I'm gutted, tbh. Great video, Tidge, as always!! Puts some perspective on things!! 🏁🏴

[@Abaysgames]

How can you be... we been begging for a new track they gave it to us FREE?!?!?! AND racing is Saving tires

[@aleszverca]

That's exactly what I experienced with the Porsche...behaves terrible after the update, interesting findings 👍 I hope those were mistakes in the new patch and a fix patch is coming soon. Driving with the controller makes some cars just terrible and literally lost interest into the game because of it. The gap between controller and wheel drivers will grow even bigger, that's why there will be even more carnage in the daily races. The penalty system is still shit.

[@jamesbabbitt737]

I thought I was seeing things at first and then I realized the truth of it, PD HAD changed my suspension settings! I normally preset my dampers to 30s on compression and 35s on expansion and on cars I not played with in weeks have been changed to 25s and 45s respectively among other settings too

[@Usernameinvalid303]

Interesting! Honestly I’ve only raced once last Friday for drinking and driving lobby🤔

[@shanewright9489]

Hey Tidgney , Would you be so kind to share ur settings please for ur wheel.

[@tidgney]

Hello! It's literally default, and 2/2 in game 😊

[@shanewright9489]

@@tidgney thank you. Appreciate it

[@ericcasado568]

Hi Tidgney! How did you do to monitor the tire temps? Is it something in game? Or apart, that you included on the footage? Thank you!

[@tidgney]

It's a 3rd party app that I've then added to OBS

[@pbullen66]

Love ur content bro. I'm a long time fan, but I gotta disagree with a few points in this video. Firstly the gr2/3/4 cars in gt7 are way too easy to driver on the limit and it should be more realistic in my opinion, so the new physics changes are welcome. Secondly the 911 was way to good compared to other cars and needed nerfing as it will encourage a wider selection of cars used in daily races where no tuning is allowed (medium speed 911, high speed supra races are boring) (Bop changes, ie adding weight or reducing power isn't representative of the real world cars). Thirdly u was clearly about to go beyond the White line as u approached the apex of the corner coming down the mountain, ur screen grab was a few frames to early. Keep up the good work and promoting clean racing 👊

[@tidgney]

It's all good to have different opinions! With the penalty I never crossed the white line, this was the maximum / closest I went just didn't want to go through it on video frame by frame (I did that offline while recording). The car was understeering back on the circuit.

[@rekabla]

My biggest issue with the physics is that they are so inconsistent. And for no reason. It seems to be so much worse on cars that are closer to the extremes. I raced in Gr.1 the other night at Sarthe. Went uphill into the first chicane, on soft tires, ABS on weak, applied about 33% braking, and barely had any steering input as I was preparing to turn into the chicane, and the front tires totally locked up. No way they should have locked up in that situation. Really the only physics that feel way better now are the rally phyaics. You can actually hit a jump and not go spearing off.

[@freedom_born]

Yeah the physics kinda suit me as well. But boy oh boy, that's not really saying much if everything else is mush. Especially when we have to guess when tyres are burning. Although it should be logically intuitive to know when we're sliding or hard braking, but we shouldn't be riding blind like that.

[@FMwerksfactory]

Gran Tourismo “The Real Driving Simulator” If you want the marketing to match reality, you best provide a product that can back up the marketing. 😊 Tire management is a reality of racing. I for one love the new tire model and I’m glad PD is fulfilling its marketing and advertising. It’s closer to “The Real Driving Simulator” than any of its previous releases. I understand, some may not want “real simulation”. Perhaps Mario Kart and Forza are better options. 🤔😉

[@tidgney]

I think you've missed the a part of the point of the video though. While tyre temperatures are apart of real racing, they also know the temperature and pressures of said tyres. Information we don't get and are having a fundamental impact on the racing. The new physics suit my driving style great, but it doesn't help the vast majority of players. You also have to remember Gran Turismo have advertised the game as ages for 7 to 77 which means it can't be fully realistic to allow all players to be able to play.

[@zacht2137]

What isn’t talked about is to take a look at the the steering indicator dot compared to your input. You’ll probably notice the dot isn’t going full lock to the left or right. Because of that you’ll get more understeer. So now you need to slow earlier going into a corner to get enough rotation. Just another thing I hate about the update

[@erezyoal]

Thank you for the important Content 👍

[@Pengu_VR]

if you turn on ASM and other stuff like traction control and counter steering assistance you could go full speed in the wet with dry tires

[@evilformerlys4704]

Lies.

[@Pengu_VR]

@@evilformerlys4704 it’s literally not. it’s a massive bug rn and people are abusing it. there’s literally video evidence so get yourself into the game and try for yourself before it’s gone

[@Pengu_VR]

@@evilformerlys4704 so… what do you think about the new video from tidge? did i lie or are you going to suck it up and say sorry?

[@JohnCranberry23]

Ever since the Update I have been having a terrible time controlling almost any car I drive. What in da feck has Polyphony done!

[@Jimster71]

Interesting analysis 👍🏻

[@nismo97]

I just recently tried GT6 again and that game feels so much better than GT7. While I never found GT7's driving offensive, the cars drive too much like trains on rails and every update has made it worse. You're either understeering or fish-tailing, that "half-drift" technique where you unload the car and go through a turn at a very low angle slide isn't really there. GT6 replicates that pretty well, GT Sport can do it too but sadly it's closer to GT7's current on/off tyre grip. I think GT7 on launch was really good, but sadly it's been a while and I may be remembering things wrong. The cars were eager to turn and rotate before, now they're just on rails and in the worst way possible. Hopefully they keep tuning the physics so the cars become a bit more fun and engaging, not just trains that are total divas about tyre temps.

[@lyci13]

The physics are wayyy better now imo… Actually gotta have skill to drive now… and when you get it right it’s extremely rewarding!

[@Abaysgames]

Agreed

[@johntisbury]

This is really interesting to see and hear about. Thank you for delving into it and for having a history of previous car setups to compare.

[@mattharris1582]

It is pretty shady that tyre temps have an effect but GT7 doesn’t natively allow you to see tyre temps.

[@James_08_07]

It’s not that the temps have an effect, it’s more that the temps are an indicator

[@JeffWeselyan]

It feels tricker to drive u can’t power on exit

[@TheCommentator112]

You mean as in real life?

[@MrTehNoms]

@@James_08_07 Whether they matter or an indicator of other things depends entirely on how PD coded it. This game doesn't have pressures at all, so I can understand someone thinking temps have an effect on something since we can't see what. I will agree that temperature is nearly a 1:1 indicator of what tire wear will be.

[@mattharris1582]

Tyre temps do have an effect. Wombleleader showed once above 85 ish degrees at Autopolis the softs performance fell off a lot. The mediums performance wasn’t effected to the same amount by the same tyre temperature

[@bbadstdad4423]

How are you displaying tire temps Tidgney? You show them both as just small numbers above and below our usual tire wear indicators and in 1 portion of your video, you show large colored icons with numbers in LL corner of your gt7 screen.

[@tidgney]

I'm using a 3rd party app which I've added to my recording

[@bbadstdad4423]

@@tidgney ..and added very nicely, I would add, lol. It looks very much like a part of the game.

[@ChikaTC42]

main issue i've had with the new physics is the weight transfer feels so strange on a pad, even slow road cars are really tricky to drive

[@davidjones4032]

The Porsche needed nerfed a bit as in the lower class lobby’s on every Gr3 daily race it was dominating. But had anyone tried the McLaren F1 Gr3 at trial mountain this week? Seems very bouncy but fast if using VR

[@lincolncampbell2014]

Why did they even hide the physics?

[@InitialP_Photography]

Thank you Tidge, an honest opinion finally from someone. I can't drive it currently and because that's my opinion I've had silly little trolls telling me I have no clue about real life (without knowing me or what I do..). Hopefully they will sort this soon, like when they messed the physics up a couple of years back.

[@tidgney]

I'm always honest with everything, great thing about it being a hobby for me, I can just say it as it is 😊

[@CamelCanada]

How to you get to display tire temps on screen. is this a 3rd party app? Regards

[@freedom_born]

Yes 3rd party. Simhub or Sim Dashboard... one is Android the other is iPhone.

[@tidgney]

It is a 3rd party app, and it's not on my actual gaming screen. It's a graphic I've added on OBS for recording.

[@kevhavard]

2:41 almost choked laughing. Not a fan of the rally mode but... Damn 🌚🏎️🔥😂

[@gavmurray7398]

seems they are rewarding players for learning to set up all the cars. if all the cars are already optimised out of the box why even have the ability to change settings

[@187Gameplan]

Let's have a video on the broken cars and the ones that are ok or better since update?

[@paulbarnett5837]

Pre update I played everyday since update I have played it once, hate what they have done

[@chegademar]

Your content is just amazing! Congratulations, sir

[@neiltomlinson1199]

I got a BMW M3 (E36) with an engine swap to the V8. Granted it has 1000+ bhp, but tried racing it on the hyper car parade race at Le Mans, the car is completely undriveable. It just picks random lines and shoots straight off the track. For me, they've ruined the game with the physics update. The way tyres just completely give out randomly when they're over half way worn is really frustrating.

[@PupuJukuYT]

What an absolute masterpiece of a video. Every single issue I have had with this update and even overall the game and pen system, you nailed word by word.

[@crazywrx1]

I’m a psvr2 racer and have heard you can capture telemetry on pc with motec. What would be cool is a way to use the live telemetry with voice alerts. For example “fuel down to 25%”, “rear tyres overheating”. The sort of information a race engineer would be shouting over the radio. Anyone know of a pc app for this kind of functionality?

[@tidgney]

That would be really good to be honest!

[@popeyeman69]

Car setup is the key here

[@ryanslats6764]

How do you get tire temperatures displayed?

[@tidgney]

3rd party app

[@GTSundayCup]

The game became more SIM. Great work they did. The change of the physics is not that big , just a soft changes in behaviour which is in best way. Complains always will be three .

[@darkslaerdark]

Nah

[@GTSundayCup]

@@darkslaerdark she said

[@187Gameplan]

Sabotage for the manufacturers? 😂 Suspension changes are not physics 🚫 Nice vid tidgney

[@MorrWorm8]

Hay!! I don’t agree with Tidg on much. Maybe 50% of the time. Maybe 40% I have to say Tidg was on point in this video!

[@GranTurismoRaceReplays]

Great video, Tidge. This is where your content shines through because you're such a thorough guy. You probably know this game better than any other content creator out there. I've decided to take a break from GT, because I don't have faith that the devs know what they're doing. I've been playing consistently since 1998 and this is the first time I've decided to step away from the game. This is the most disjointed update I've seen since launch, and if they refuse to give us the information we require to drive the cars better, then I don't really understand their motives. Thanks for the heads up! ❤

[@tidgney]

Appreciate the kind words! Sorry to hear that you're stepping away from the game, hopefully it improves and communication improves as I think it definitely needs doing.

[@krdjmtc]

He keeps dissing rallying when that’s one of the major things I do 😢

[@tidgney]

I'm sorry 💛

[@RichardLeonardo17]

So practically they didnt changed the bop , they changed the setup and force us to use this setup ? (You can only change BB in daily races)

[@CornBredRacing]

Preciate ya 💪😎

[@robwr737]

P .S. a couple weeks in, after basically quitting gt7, I've discovered automatic transmission appears to have completely broken

[@King_Ears]

They should have reverted to the physics we had at release. They were much better. The game was actually challenging to drive like a proper sim

[@bojador]

Hey Tidge. How do you get that overlay on screen in real time? Is that possible?

[@tidgney]

Not in your game, but it is in recording software

[@hughxthexhand]

There is noticeably more grip OFF the racing line in the wet now

[@madsda007]

How do you get the temps onto the screen tidgney?

[@tidgney]

3rd party app you can get on a mobile / tablet. In this situation I am using my recording software and adapting it.

[@madsda007]

@tidgney can you see it while driving or is it only to watch later so you can watch were temps got hot?

[@Abatron100]

Are you a arcade racer? The update is brilliant!

[@tidgney]

As I stated in the video the physics are great for me. They aren't necessarily great for a large population of players. The game shouldn't be focused on realism all the time, and should also be about fun.

[@MorrWorm8]

I been trying to tell everyone the setups have changed.

[@jamesbabbitt737]

I saw this too, nobody believed...

[@AgtX999]

Its the time taken to make good setups & then they change it all without saying anything, its a slap in the face. they could at least explain in which ways they changed it to make it easier to adjust existing setups.

[@DigidiBoom]

so whats the diff between 8:22 setup and 6:20 ? I got confused and rewinding didnt helped :D ohh old setup on new bop... but isnt setup chaneged when bop is applied ? unless tunning is allowed..

[@tidgney]

So the New Bop setup is using the Bop Value. I have the old Bop value setup stored so I can just apply those values and effectively mimic what it was

[@King_Ears]

The crashing and then getting a wall collision penalty double jeopardy is the most frustrating thing about the penalty system. I've already lost time why do they feel the need to make it even worse. Surely they can make an algorithm that can determine whether your car is under control or not and dish penalties accordingly 🙄

[@tidgney]

I think the damage should be an indicator before giving the penalty as a really easy fix for it. Damage slows you down anyway and there's no way you are improving a time with damage so don't give a penalty 😂😂

[@josephmatuszak3855]

The new settings are not great (imo). Much of my older tunes are superior to the new settings. They did change the physics, but it feels like the rotational inertia/and tire bite feels much different. Check a tiny car with Racing Soft... you'll see what I mean. You can go full StarFox and do barrel rolls with the greatest of ease.

[@Abaysgames]

This is the one video he sounds like kie complaining.... i think the changes on physics made it so much better... and idk why we complain so much.... seriouly not single update we have had to pay for a single up date. Perfect dipper, no, that would have been lap invalidated in acc and real life, stay inside the white lines you wont get a pentaly

[@tidgney]

I speak my honesty where I need to speak it. As I say in it the physics suit me perfectly, but it doesn't suit the majority of players (Similar to the comments on this video). I'm sorry if it feels like complaining but it's a voice/opinion I'm just speaking off with evidence to like the Porsche 911. You wouldn't be penalised in real life for that, in ACC I can't remember fully but I don't think you can actually cut that close in ACC (As in the white line and barrier are closer). I could be wrong about ACC though last time I ran it was some time ago.

[@davidmartin3058]

Tried the merc black tonight and it doesn’t go round corners at a decent speed ,maybe it was me or the new physics ?

[@DigidiBoom]

they should add some breaking sound like in acc.. atm with vr have to guess the amount of the breaking..

[@MithunKalan]

@Tidge, you still having fun with gt7? despite all these missteps by PD. i think my enthusiasm is quite low right now

[@tidgney]

I am still having fun as the physics suits my driving style alot!

[@Dummies05]

I absolutely love the new update for my DD Pro. The details are incredible, and the overall experience is fantastic. However, I do believe they should address some of the car setups.

[@GarryMercer-tq5uo]

Its more accurate to real life racing a porsche. a little unstable and under steery into corners

[@crilauriola]

how can you see tire temperatures?

[@tidgney]

I use a 3rd Party App but it's not in Gran Turismo and added afterwards!