What Happened After the Horus Heresy? Black Crusades Warhammer 40k Lore

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@WizardsandWarriors
@WizardsandWarriors 2 ай бұрын
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@WizardsandWarriors
@WizardsandWarriors 2 ай бұрын
Horus Heresy series will continue, too. We just decided to run 2 series simultaneously to give you more WH40k. Horus Heresy episode in November.
@lpcastelow
@lpcastelow 2 ай бұрын
Wooooo! Love the HH series it’s absolutely incredible
@MarcSamuels562
@MarcSamuels562 2 ай бұрын
LETS GOOOOOOOOO
@matejtanko5117
@matejtanko5117 2 ай бұрын
I like the decision and great episode overall (deserved a like and a comment ;) ) I would give the feedback that I'm not really sold on this 3D animation and art style (it's the same kind like for you GOT series, right?). The art and combination of still & animated images of horus heresy (+ of other shows) is far supperior in my oppinion :)
@diminios
@diminios 2 ай бұрын
Ah, good, I was checking your playlists like an idiot, looking for the episode I _knew_ I had somehow missed.
@tknispel
@tknispel 2 ай бұрын
Woot! You and your channel rocks! 😀
@twitchyt3246
@twitchyt3246 2 ай бұрын
You must do MORE 40k coverage. There's so much content for it, and the quality of yalls videos just makes it all the better, keep up the work!.
@elvatoz
@elvatoz 2 ай бұрын
I concur 👍🏾
@cremedrip
@cremedrip 2 ай бұрын
i love how you mapped the galaxy... that's dope
@diapason89
@diapason89 2 ай бұрын
I love how there's a planet next to the Eye called Moredakka.
@sotiriospeithis6659
@sotiriospeithis6659 2 ай бұрын
I had to look it up. But it is a real thing. The orks are having the time of their lives, and Abbi took them along for the ride during the 13th black crusade. Happiest kids in the block
@alyassuppaleridhil7892
@alyassuppaleridhil7892 2 ай бұрын
It should have been called "Mordax" by this time, as it was a former Mechanicus world.
@gunterthekaiser6190
@gunterthekaiser6190 2 ай бұрын
Reminder that in the Battle fleet gothic armada 2, the narrator has to say the words "Ork battleship MoreDakka Prime" with a straight face.
@sirunklydunk8861
@sirunklydunk8861 2 ай бұрын
The lack of mention of the "Magic Pain Glove" should be viewed as heresy
@WizardsandWarriors
@WizardsandWarriors 2 ай бұрын
you people think everything is heresy
@twitchyt3246
@twitchyt3246 2 ай бұрын
HERESY BROTHA! HERESY!!!!!!
@minatodroger7890
@minatodroger7890 2 ай бұрын
Call the inquisitors we got some heretics here
@jasonrabeiro2009
@jasonrabeiro2009 2 ай бұрын
@@WizardsandWarriors **sniff** Smells like *HERESY!*
@fabiandoge1210
@fabiandoge1210 2 ай бұрын
@@WizardsandWarriors Because it is!
@epicazeroth
@epicazeroth 2 ай бұрын
"The world broke before the Guard did" incoming
@widdershins5383
@widdershins5383 2 ай бұрын
Cadia stands!!!…..all over the sector lol
@richardthomas9497
@richardthomas9497 2 ай бұрын
Not for another 10,000 years.
@AncestorEmpire1
@AncestorEmpire1 2 ай бұрын
Black Templars: A good fury is a dead fury.
@wertzui19871229
@wertzui19871229 2 ай бұрын
10:15 "I am Alpharius" *stabs* *stabs*
@resileaf9501
@resileaf9501 2 ай бұрын
The new graphics are awesome!
@williamyoung9401
@williamyoung9401 2 ай бұрын
Oh, you beat me to it! Love it, folks! 😎
@dumberstc
@dumberstc 2 ай бұрын
Two warhammer 40k series coming from you simultaneously are going to be lit. FOR THE EMPEROR!!!!
@trentonmeyer461
@trentonmeyer461 2 ай бұрын
Okay but please don't stop telling the Horus heresy I love how you are doing it
@diadokhoi5722
@diadokhoi5722 2 ай бұрын
both series are animated by different people, so it doesn't detract from time schedule of either
@JedPotts-jv2ux
@JedPotts-jv2ux 2 ай бұрын
@@diadokhoi5722 the video is great but i can't say i'm a fan of the animation, the issue isn't the quality, its the wierd use of scale. abbadon is 10ft tall, the average space marine is 7-8ft tall, but some of the animations depict abbadon as 3x the height of the marines behind him.
@diadokhoi5722
@diadokhoi5722 2 ай бұрын
@@JedPotts-jv2ux most of model issues will be addressed in the future episodes
@abcdef27669
@abcdef27669 2 ай бұрын
I have an unusual suggestion for Wizard and Warriors: Making videos in a similar style about classic works, like Amaudis de Gaula, Chanson de Roland, The Ramayana, Ring of Nibelungs, Odyssey, Epic of Manas, Romance of the Three Kingdoms, Epic of Sundiata, and many others epic poems and romances.
@chrisstorrer
@chrisstorrer 2 ай бұрын
This sounds awesome ! I think it's a really good idea.
@Shiny_andChrome
@Shiny_andChrome 2 ай бұрын
Hell yeah, ive been waiting for 40k lore
@Sepherina
@Sepherina 2 ай бұрын
0:10 Emperor Steven Seagal
@itchyshizle
@itchyshizle 2 ай бұрын
The emperor's about to snatch every mfers birthday.
@MrKhaosxking
@MrKhaosxking 2 ай бұрын
More 40k please. Love the content
@718Insomniac
@718Insomniac 2 ай бұрын
Ahhhh, the cliffhanger!!!
@collecter343
@collecter343 2 ай бұрын
Nice job on the original models, a lot of work on those unique characters
@krismi1755
@krismi1755 2 ай бұрын
What a great episode. Need more Warhammer 40k please
@WizardsandWarriors
@WizardsandWarriors 2 ай бұрын
More on the way!
@tejmazwei
@tejmazwei 2 ай бұрын
FOR THE EMPEROR
@minatodroger7890
@minatodroger7890 2 ай бұрын
The emperor protects
@theliato3809
@theliato3809 2 ай бұрын
The scouring occurred as the battered imperium had to reign in secessionist and heretic domains that had joined Horus. It lasted about a hundred years
@tigre2azul
@tigre2azul 2 ай бұрын
Love the 40k vids, please finish the Horus Heresy series! Keep up the good work!
@dimitrispavlou4722
@dimitrispavlou4722 2 ай бұрын
Love your 40k coverage.I can’t wait for the next one
@tsarzamancorpdna
@tsarzamancorpdna 2 ай бұрын
gigachad k&g/W&W thank you guys for your hard work! this is truly a light in the grimdarkness of 2024
@bubleytgamingofficial171
@bubleytgamingofficial171 2 ай бұрын
damn i just wondering if you ever bring this topic then suddenly it appear you guys were the best
@FKamau
@FKamau 2 ай бұрын
Wow! I love your narration not convoluted just easy listen and follow through. Not to mention the way you map the universe where every campaign happened who, when & why. Thanks much! WH40K is one of the reasons why I subscribed!
@eetenn
@eetenn 2 ай бұрын
Could you guys upload more 40k content? I enjoy the format they are made in a lot more than other channels
@chrisstorrer
@chrisstorrer 2 ай бұрын
they have a playlist of 40k videos, if you haven't seen them yet
@eetenn
@eetenn 2 ай бұрын
@@chrisstorrer I have :)
@mathewfinch
@mathewfinch 2 ай бұрын
Love this channel. Is there any possibility of a Dune series in the near future?
@richardthomas9497
@richardthomas9497 2 ай бұрын
There was a mention of Dune in the recent Q&A livestream; possibly planned for 2025.
@jorgedeanoperez2997
@jorgedeanoperez2997 2 ай бұрын
I often think about the utter loneliness that Dorn must have felt all those centuries. Imagine losing your last brother, Guilliman, to one of your traitor brother's blade (don't worry, he got better) and then you have to stand alone for six hundred years. Six hundred years of solitude, of watching over the dream you, your brothers and your sons built in behalf of your Father, while He rots away in the Golden Throne. Poor man. I pity him even more than the resurrected Guilliman. At least he has Lion now.
@Kingedwardiii2003
@Kingedwardiii2003 2 ай бұрын
Yoooooo I seriously just finished the Talons of Horus and Black Legion thank you for this!
@absolute-focus
@absolute-focus 2 ай бұрын
Both brilliant novels
@BobtheMultiDmnsnlCow
@BobtheMultiDmnsnlCow 2 ай бұрын
You've had some damn sexy maps... these though? Absolute Perfection. The grading of the territories Magnificent. Showing where everything is in a easy fashion... dear god if I could only play with this interactive ly...
@indyman_123
@indyman_123 2 ай бұрын
I'm still very much new to the 40k universe, but this was too dang exciting and intriguing! A very well made vid indeed. Kudos to everyone involved. Already subscribed, and eagerly waiting for more such content, especially 40k. Cheers!
@maximusd26
@maximusd26 2 ай бұрын
the manga Kingdom is just perfect for this series, beyond fitting
@HD-pc4id
@HD-pc4id 2 ай бұрын
Great job I have 0 tome to read everything These videos help a ton!
@stephenbaluran3298
@stephenbaluran3298 2 ай бұрын
12:10 Devin actually uttered the words "corpse emperor." 😳 I'm sorry, but duty demands I call the Inquisition.
@RAD1111able
@RAD1111able 2 ай бұрын
It's a good series,but for the love of the Emperor,that pronunciation of Macragge killed my soul.
@qwertyguy12345
@qwertyguy12345 2 ай бұрын
Great vid can't wait for more!
@kurtzmoment
@kurtzmoment 2 ай бұрын
The emperor protects
@waynegoddard4065
@waynegoddard4065 2 ай бұрын
Great video. Well done sir.
@joejackson2662
@joejackson2662 2 ай бұрын
Oh boy all the guard lore coming up
@HodronHoxton2.0
@HodronHoxton2.0 2 ай бұрын
5:22 I don’t remember Sigismund growing bigger than the emperor
@rulerofeverything6294
@rulerofeverything6294 2 ай бұрын
Animation inaccuracies
@nakenmil
@nakenmil 2 ай бұрын
I love the reference to the old 54mm Inquisition game and the Thorian Sourcebook, awesome.
@robbabcock_
@robbabcock_ 2 ай бұрын
What a great episode! I think this WH40k series is your finest yet! ⚔🔥🤘
@DrKarmo
@DrKarmo 2 ай бұрын
Do a series on Vraks or the Sabbat worlds
@simonbirch5726
@simonbirch5726 2 ай бұрын
One day please give us a Badab war series 🙏
@largaCat
@largaCat 2 ай бұрын
Currently playing Battlefleet Gothic Armada 2 after finishing 1. I repelled the 12th Black Crusade. Now its the 13th and current crusade.
@AironSmieciowy-di3qy
@AironSmieciowy-di3qy 2 ай бұрын
Great video!
@danielsantiagourtado3430
@danielsantiagourtado3430 2 ай бұрын
Thanks For all your hardwork! You always make My day ❤❤❤❤
@peterh2828
@peterh2828 2 ай бұрын
Abby
@everssonnascimento4601
@everssonnascimento4601 2 ай бұрын
Very well explained
@TKUltra971
@TKUltra971 2 ай бұрын
W&W Does 40k? Oh baby, lets friggin GO!
@ImperialistFan
@ImperialistFan 2 ай бұрын
Impressive animation🎖🎖🎖🎖🎖
@william_santiago
@william_santiago 2 ай бұрын
OH! Abaddon the Incompetent! The man who makes Custer look like a military genius.
@dudeboydudeboy-zj8kd
@dudeboydudeboy-zj8kd 2 ай бұрын
any thoughts on doing narnia?
@WizardsandWarriors
@WizardsandWarriors 2 ай бұрын
it is on the list
@dudeboydudeboy-zj8kd
@dudeboydudeboy-zj8kd 2 ай бұрын
@@WizardsandWarriors 🦁🤘 yes! Awesome
@5chr4pn3ll
@5chr4pn3ll 2 ай бұрын
LMFAO at these models xD Good video tho. I wish you would list sources.
@renanklein6876
@renanklein6876 2 ай бұрын
ty for the video
@MrMaximkozin
@MrMaximkozin 2 ай бұрын
can it be?! did wizards and warriors really drop another 40k video?!
@phippsies001
@phippsies001 2 ай бұрын
Cant wait for more
@chinggiskhaan2759
@chinggiskhaan2759 2 ай бұрын
please make a video about Pelinal White Strake !
@SpazzyMcGee1337
@SpazzyMcGee1337 2 ай бұрын
Good stuff.
@tengkualiff
@tengkualiff 2 ай бұрын
Emperor with skincare
@anhba98
@anhba98 2 ай бұрын
Failbaddon was born!
@maxsemeniuk3521
@maxsemeniuk3521 2 ай бұрын
He still sucks regardless of what gw says.
@paylwhiterock2260
@paylwhiterock2260 2 ай бұрын
YOOOO Wizaaard and Warriors are you Kings and Generals to? Yall sound alike.
@alfrancisbuada2591
@alfrancisbuada2591 2 ай бұрын
Try a biopic on each of the legions. I would for you guys to explore the Butcher's Nails that drove the World Eaters into Chaos.
@NekouLy
@NekouLy 2 ай бұрын
What happened to more Horus Heresy videos can you do more of them please 🙏.
@sotiriospeithis6659
@sotiriospeithis6659 2 ай бұрын
They announced that more are on rhe way.
@maxsemeniuk3521
@maxsemeniuk3521 2 ай бұрын
Can we get a TTS video?
@WizardsandWarriors
@WizardsandWarriors 2 ай бұрын
TTS?
@maxsemeniuk3521
@maxsemeniuk3521 2 ай бұрын
@WizardsandWarriors if the emporer had a text to speech device.
@zekaiy.873
@zekaiy.873 2 ай бұрын
Yess! we love 40k!
@dogukanyel1391
@dogukanyel1391 2 ай бұрын
Is this first 40k video in this channel
@chrisstorrer
@chrisstorrer 2 ай бұрын
no theyve done others, go to their channel then go to playlists and you can find 40k
@dogukanyel1391
@dogukanyel1391 2 ай бұрын
@@chrisstorrer thank you
@regolus2394
@regolus2394 2 ай бұрын
I would have put the demon of the first murder in a shoe, or... don't know... in a mitten. Seems safer.
@sotiriospeithis6659
@sotiriospeithis6659 2 ай бұрын
I'm guessing the Emperor went for the rule of cool. Although It would be fun to see Abbi weild a power mitten
@mennorach
@mennorach 2 ай бұрын
It was not a blade, but the demon shaped the vessel holding it into a sword. That is the way with demons, put it into a mitten and the mitten will grow teeth and slowly morph into something that is only good for violence. Damn demons, ruining good mittens everywhere...
@worldsbuffestloremaster
@worldsbuffestloremaster 2 ай бұрын
Dorn was the most competent primarch that actually wanted what was best for the imperium.
@richardthomas9497
@richardthomas9497 2 ай бұрын
Well there was the Iron Cage, which was not Dorn's best moment.
@Kingedwardiii2003
@Kingedwardiii2003 2 ай бұрын
0:13 goofy ahh emperor
@TheRavenLord1
@TheRavenLord1 2 ай бұрын
Still in the Eye. Progress being made.
@George2001k
@George2001k 2 ай бұрын
MacrAq please… good video though.
@tarik123mus
@tarik123mus 2 ай бұрын
omg you are the best!!!!
@ivanivanovic5586
@ivanivanovic5586 2 ай бұрын
Forgot to mention the fate(s) of alpha legion twin primarchs - one died during the heresy, the other one dies by guilliman's hand on planet espandor, during the great scouring(could be subject to change if they decide to write it as a series linking horus heresy with present 40k). In the old lore(before the horus heresy books), alpha legion had only 1 primarch and he dies on the mentioned planet. Ofc, since it's alpha legion we're talking about here, nobody, not even the legion itself, knows for certain about the actual fate of their primarch(s). Again, e in macragge is silent, and russ should be read/spoken as south-slavic "ras" (or like english word "rust", minus the t), please fix in the future. (Edited to fix a few errors/ommisions).
@sotiriospeithis6659
@sotiriospeithis6659 2 ай бұрын
Oh dang, you're right. We will jot it down to alpha legion interfering with the video!
@jiyuhong5853
@jiyuhong5853 2 ай бұрын
Wait does this mean we could get vraks?
@WizardsandWarriors
@WizardsandWarriors 2 ай бұрын
at some point
@jiyuhong5853
@jiyuhong5853 2 ай бұрын
@@WizardsandWarriors yes!!! thank you!
@3-2bravo49
@3-2bravo49 2 ай бұрын
Why can't they ever put an evil demon into a butter knife or a really pointy ashtray? Maybe an evil looking rubber stamper for paperwork. They always have to put them in gnarly looking weapons. Nobody ever stopped to think that maybe there could be some sort of consequences for that lol?
@sotiriospeithis6659
@sotiriospeithis6659 2 ай бұрын
The emperor just had to be cool about it
@chrisstorrer
@chrisstorrer 2 ай бұрын
This made me laugh, you're right why can't we put them into something like a pillow.
@Pikkemandsten
@Pikkemandsten 2 ай бұрын
what is the name of the music in the beginning?
@LuisAlfredoDeSouzaPereira
@LuisAlfredoDeSouzaPereira 2 ай бұрын
Awesome...!!
@denorjigalaxen9230
@denorjigalaxen9230 2 ай бұрын
Failbaddon the armless, the man you Who took 13 crusades to Take the first line of defense
@widdershins5383
@widdershins5383 2 ай бұрын
He did achieve pretty much all his goals during every previous crusade. Maybe breaking Cadia wasn’t the point of the other crusades?
@riccardocirielli
@riccardocirielli 2 ай бұрын
​@@widdershins5383 the fact that achieving all his goals didn't do much at all before the fall of Cadia, doesn't help Abaddon's case lmao
@sotiriospeithis6659
@sotiriospeithis6659 2 ай бұрын
​@@widdershins5383that's right. There have been many changes to the narrative. At first, Abbi just straight up failed. Over the last few years however, GW has made it clear that he had secret objectives for each of his black crusades. The purpose of the "long war" was to maximise his time advantage. Ofc many fans consider this to be shameless retcon to make Abbi look better, but I prefer to look at it in a non meta way : for years we have only known what the imperium chose to tell us about the black crusades. And so, of course, we only got the "Abbi got smashed" version. But now, we know the actual truth. It makes sense, I think. Horus himself couldn't topple the imperium with twice the resources Abbi has. The only chance Abbi has at winning is through these kind of long con's.
@widdershins5383
@widdershins5383 2 ай бұрын
@@riccardocirielli doesn’t change the fact he got what he wanted and set out to do every time. He has been utterly successful in his goals lol
@absolute-focus
@absolute-focus 2 ай бұрын
​@sotiriospeithis6659 the problem with the 40k fanbase from what I've seen they are too lazy to do proper research. If they did they'd know there hasn't been a single retcon to Abaddons lore. And for the "Failaddon" meme lovers who see this comment look up a video by a well known 40k content creator called "Abaddon the memes lied" and actually learn something.
@aceofconquest5745
@aceofconquest5745 2 ай бұрын
40k WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
@austinguthrie5528
@austinguthrie5528 2 ай бұрын
The Black Legion books, which most of this info comes from, is a really good short series, though it isn't quite canon anymore, and sadly, we'll never get a conclusion.
@absolute-focus
@absolute-focus 2 ай бұрын
Last I check there hasn't been anything suggesting they aren't cannon and ADB is working on the next novel of the Black Legion series
@austinguthrie5528
@austinguthrie5528 2 ай бұрын
@absolute-focus hope so. There was a change to the lore of Falkus Kiber in the Siege of Terra, where a possessed Falkus dies. Where as in the BL books, he escaped along with the other survivors to the Eye of Terror and became possessed along with his brothers during their quest to search for the Vengeful Spirit and Abaddon. Maybe they'll clear it up in the next book whenever that comes out.
@absolute-focus
@absolute-focus 2 ай бұрын
@@austinguthrie5528 fair enough
@MarcSamuels562
@MarcSamuels562 2 ай бұрын
MORE 👏🏼 WAR 👏🏼 HAMMER 👏🏼 40 👏🏼 K!!!!
@danielelkin995
@danielelkin995 Ай бұрын
I think the playlist for this is in the wrong order.
@jackcarter9210
@jackcarter9210 2 ай бұрын
Did Sigismund just sit there then
@sotiriospeithis6659
@sotiriospeithis6659 2 ай бұрын
Well. Pretty much... he is a patient boy !
@Slightly_Irish_Mach
@Slightly_Irish_Mach 2 ай бұрын
💀 what happened to Big E
@jeambeam3173
@jeambeam3173 2 ай бұрын
Vulkan didn't die without a trace he was killed during the War of the Beast and due to being a perpetual will be reborn at some point some where
@sotiriospeithis6659
@sotiriospeithis6659 2 ай бұрын
The war of the beast happened after the forst black crusade. Crazy times.
@hunterironside9969
@hunterironside9969 2 ай бұрын
awsome
@sygmarvexarion7891
@sygmarvexarion7891 Ай бұрын
"Atrocities were committed daily". I mean...we're talking about bad guys killing other bad guys here...
@sotiriospeithis6659
@sotiriospeithis6659 Ай бұрын
In the grim darkness of the far future, there Is only petty manchildren in power armor
@absolute-focus
@absolute-focus 2 ай бұрын
Loving the video but id point out two small errors with your lore. Leman didnt disappear in the Webway he was last seen entering into the Eye of Terra. 2 Rogal Dorn wasnt the last Primarch left, Leman Russ was the last Primarch in the Imperium before he went to the Eye of Terra.
@sotiriospeithis6659
@sotiriospeithis6659 2 ай бұрын
Didn't Leman Russ disappear in 211.M31 ?
@absolute-focus
@absolute-focus 2 ай бұрын
@@sotiriospeithis6659 yes about that time making him the last loyalist Primarch in the Imperium at that time. Dorn died/disappeared in 038.M31
@sotiriospeithis6659
@sotiriospeithis6659 2 ай бұрын
@@absolute-focus from what I saw, Dorn died during the first black crusade
@absolute-focus
@absolute-focus 2 ай бұрын
@@sotiriospeithis6659 unfortunately with 40k lore it does keep changing hell they can't seem to decide weather Dorn is dead or disappeared but according to the latest version no Primarchs are present in the Imperium when the first Black Crusade kicks off.
@absolute-focus
@absolute-focus 2 ай бұрын
@@sotiriospeithis6659 the sourse I'm going by is a short story called Two Metaphysical Blades and it's about Valdor and Russ' spears but there is a part where it's on about Russ being the last Primarch in the Imperium and he and Valdor get the vision that makes them both leave for the Eye of Terra at the same time. It's also mention in Leman Russ' Primarch novel.
@naiantasuda2651
@naiantasuda2651 2 ай бұрын
For the imperium ❤fromthephilippines ✌️✌️✌️
@jonbaxter2254
@jonbaxter2254 2 ай бұрын
Love my 40k fix.
@tylermills3771
@tylermills3771 2 ай бұрын
But, you havnt posted the last Horus Heracy episode? spoilers dang it
@rustyshacklford245
@rustyshacklford245 2 ай бұрын
Suffer not the heretic to live!
@thuzan117
@thuzan117 2 ай бұрын
are you going to finish the horus heresy?
@bigsarge2085
@bigsarge2085 2 ай бұрын
HERESY
@Spunk_cat
@Spunk_cat Ай бұрын
I prefer the Horus animations and maps but I know your trying to make it look different
@Eliphas_
@Eliphas_ 2 ай бұрын
I really loved this new art style and graphics. Personally i wasnt a big fan of the previous one, as it looked unclear, archaic and not very pretty. This looks much better and improved
@arozes8324
@arozes8324 2 ай бұрын
yes more warhammer :)
@biggreen4987
@biggreen4987 2 ай бұрын
Raven guard weren't secretive. Dark Angels on other hand.....
@sotiriospeithis6659
@sotiriospeithis6659 2 ай бұрын
That is fair enough. What adjective would you give them other than stealthy ?
@biggreen4987
@biggreen4987 2 ай бұрын
@@sotiriospeithis6659 Cold headed, tactical experts
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