What Happened to EXO-M - Did SM Entertainment learn from EXO by creating WayV?

A little editorial on my thoughts on What Happened to EXO-M, EXO-M Chinese Members, Why Kris, LuHan, and Tao Left EXO, Did SM Entertainment Learn From EXO-M By Creating NCT and WayV, Where are Kris, LuHan, and Tao now?
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Timestamps:
0:00​ Intro
0:59​ Discovering EXO
2:03​ EXO Massive Debut
3:01 The Reason Why Kris, LuHan & Tao Left
5:08 Where Are Kris, LuHan & Tao Now?
6:16 SM Entertainment Takes On China Again w/ NCT & WayV

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[@InternetsNathan]

I wouldn't be surprised if some newer kpop fans didn't know about EXO-M. But let me know what you think about the Chinese members leaving EXO? And do you think SM Entertainment learned from EXO-M by creating NCT and WayV? Are they treating their foreign idols better?

[@aimcereaper1997]

Is SM about to do his biggest mistake with Nct Hollywood?

[@elangbam3115]

Internet Nathan why do you take so long to upload your content? Can you make a content about Baemon? YG next rumoured girl group.

[@nateclipps]

I’m back

[@WiseSmellyLegs]

@@aimcereaper1997 No. They announced NCT would expand to the world at their very beginning and they made another announcement some months ago about NCT America and more. So it is not something new, something what would be changing NCT completely and the fact that this unit would be formed from a TV show is basically a way of their promoting same as other groups before their debut had (Monsta X, Pentagon, Treasure and more). And since Kpop is evolving a lot and this border between Kpop and America is blending more and more, it is a right time to do this. Even if the unit has white members, because every that is the privilege of Big Three

[@fernandoami6194]

I like what you doing right now updating your previous 'what happened' videos to a new spin

[@camspark3454]

SM can't even handle EXO as a whole group before and as a fan it hurts me to see members leaving the group one by one but I'm happy for them that they found their happiness in their homeland. And this bish SM is now planning to have NCT Hollywood even if there are still members who doesn't have their fixed unit yet. They better promote NCT properly I don't want to witness another leaving issue.

[@edba1.037]

Thank god they promote NCT properly, they better keep up the good work

[@camspark3454]

@@edba1.037 I can't say that NCT is really properly promoted but as long as the members are happy and complete I'm happy as well and I hope we celebrate their 10th anniversary with OT23 or even with additional members.

[@NelleBear]

@@camspark3454 I mean, in comparison to the promo gave EXO, they have definitely given NCT much, much better.

[@jennanichols8490]

@@camspark3454 i mean yes Sm still suck at promoting NCT properly but NCT’s promotions are way better than EXO’s and still EXO managed to be in one of the biggest 3rd gen bgs

[@twjjang_jd]

i can’t understand how sme couldn’t handle exo properly when their popularity is rising and it’s helping the stocks of the company. i mean, u don’t wanna lose that kind of artists in your company do you? bruh

[@multiworld6056]

My first love in kpop industry which is exo and forever be. Miss OT12, miss kris luhan tao

[@moongi852]

Ikr 😢😭😭😭I'm so sad

[@twjjang_jd]

imagine if sme didn’t mistreated them. they would be unstoppable from the sales, charts, popularity, endorsements, etc. IMAGINE

[@ezzannloonatic1747]

Your profile is my boo

[@Shivamkumar-uu9tu]

@@twjjang_jd they still are even after they left exo made 5 million seller albums

[@twjjang_jd]

@@Shivamkumar-uu9tu i know but it can be still a lot more bigger if only they’re still 12 members. kris, luhan, & tao’s popularity is a big distribution to the group.

[@amberishlee2682]

It's so sad how the group had to lose members because of SM Entertainment's problems smh

[@Liv-jc3jx]

i think what SM needs to learn to do is to not screw things up and treat there artists better

[@edba1.037]

Seems they learn now

[@lunarialoonatic]

@@edba1.037 idk they have treated their idols better compared to Exo imo but... they still have a lot of work. They basically indirectly sabotage their artists by not giving them promotions

[@obokschingu6595]

@@lunarialoonatic i mean wayv is having improved promo than before..it's quite decent especially in the midst of this pandemic....also we should know that having tons of promo is physically demanding and it take a lot of time, effort and energy..i know sm still lacks on giving promo esp on nct but atleast it improved. Anyways, at the end of the day sm will never be a perfect company.

[@beidougi6787]

Kris, Luhan, and Tao are really brave. Coming out and even showing allegations is really risky. Without them coming out, they wouldn’t have the freedom and happiness they have now. They were brave enough to go against SM Entertainment.

[@twjjang_jd]

with them leaving i am still wondering if the three of them still communicate with the recent members or are they in good terms. you know, i just missed them as ot12 🥺👉🏻👈🏻

[@aeriya0]

@@twjjang_jd actually idk bcs some exols dont even want them to communicate or make a ot12 reunion or smtg. they said "the boys have been suffered a lot just bcs of those 3 members but literally the ones who left didnt feels the same." basically means, those trio were a trouble & guilty to the other members. they said the three of them hate/dislike & trying to avoid from meeting lay. im actually sad after heard this. im just a baby exol who loves ot12.

[@Shivamkumar-uu9tu]

@@aeriya0 im a be honest i too dont want a reunion EXO is 9 and Forever will be 9 . I am Happy for kris, luhan and Tao But The Quote We Are One is not a joke for us exo-ls those who break it may leave

[@Shivamkumar-uu9tu]

@@twjjang_jd kris said he no longer in contact with any exo member we dont know about tao he has even lost populariry in china to be honest he is at his lowest points right now , luhan is at good terms he even follows exo members on instagram

[@aeriya0]

@@Shivamkumar-uu9tu yeah i respect your opinion and also We Are One isnt a joke and no one can mess up with the slogan. its what makes us stick together as 9 members & exols. i do agree with you about that. im happy for the trio to get more freedom outside sme

[@kavsarchives6779]

WayV has the capacity to become one of the biggest Chinese group ever if everyone stopped sleeping on them

[@user-zm3zx2ll6r]

and if sm do their job and promote them properly

[@tiffanykim2773]

Yea SM isn't harassing their potential well. They legit have Ten in WayV and actually all the guys are super talented not just Ten but instead of promoting them worldwide they are limiting them greatly it's sad. Why create WayV if you're just gonna treat them like second hand citizens?

[@v.v.9.9.]

Are they not popular in China?

[@user-pm2zv9fs5r]

@@v.v.9.9. no. they're known more internationally. the thing about China is that it's [media] is very enclosed, so it's hard to break through that compared it to chinese groups. especially since SM doesn't really promote them that well.

[@v.v.9.9.]

@@user-pm2zv9fs5r oh I see, that's too bad. They're so talented and funny. I thought that Lucas' appearances on Running Man (?) would have been enough to bring some attention to them... guess not.

[@ijm1261]

Also LSM seems to follow the "take big risks, get big rewards/consequences" philosophy very literally. It doesn't always need to be like this.

[@edba1.037]

That's why SM is the leading company in K-Pop, they take risk

[@bucca2]

@@edba1.037 Leading company that the Korea Exchange downgraded to a “mid-size” company 😂

[@edba1.037]

@@kiiribat9968 Is there really a company that 100% genuinely care? Business always care about money too you know

[@moonlight_orange]

yup, literally investment.

[@exoL-hz5xn]

yeah agree. I think its run down to artist too like exo always do their best to perform or to have difficult song but actually its okay if your song not that difficult. hardwork doesnt mean success you have to hard work smartly

[@jennanichols8490]

mistreatment of EXO-M was so apparent and obvious right from the start, even when they performed together EXO-M was always at the back, at that time EXO-M was the in sync polished group while EXO-K still needed some work

[@ruehlin123]

True, true, true......I remember being worried for EXO-K after their first week of promotions. So glad they all improved!

[@seokiology]

I always had the feeling that WayV was Exo-M 2.0-since Lee Sooman's vision was to succeed in China! WayV *seems* be treated better (we dont know what happens behind doors), gotten great promos so far-I hope he gives them more creative control so they'll be more satisfied.

[@crizwarren6177]

Same! As both an exol and wayzennie i can see the similitudes between the two subunits, tho it seems like sm hasnt learned still. Even though they get "good promotions" theyre often mistranslated, and it feels like sm its doing it on purpose... i feel that the company could do so much better, as of know thd biggest promotion wayv has had is nct2020, since many fans refused to think of wayv as another nct subunit, thus not caring about them untill they were oficially shown as members. Also failing to reestock albums, but that is sm in gral... and many other details too

[@meenal1139]

Honestly I aggressively support WayV because of the way OT12 EXO came to an end. 2014 was absolute hell... chaotic, heartbreaking and I just cannot go through that again. *WayV have a flawless discography, flawless performances and are some of the funniest nicest ppl you'll ever come across* I suggest when you're up for it, take a look at WayV... maybe one of the best things SM has done in maybe forever 😭

[@Nathannehc]

I listened to EXO for the first time when I was like 5 and the song was "call me baby" and its still my fav EXO song loool

[@Shivamkumar-uu9tu]

I stanned them super late in october 2020 but now i will stan them till my last breathe

[@jaebaeboom6530]

Woah you were 5? I'm pretty young myself back then but wow

[@kpoplover6292]

Woooow

[@ildefonso5778]

Seeing KrisHanTao leaving EXO before was painful, but what's important these days is what makes them happy and where their heart is. They will never be forgotten by the OT12 stans, always in our hearts.

[@ayugede4918]

Yes im always stand EXO ot 12

[@Nameless_mixes]

SM didn’t learn anything. They’re just trying again and hoping that they don’t mess up. We’re already seeing some hints that the Chinese members of SM may be victims of favoritism. I hope that having Chinese members in NCT (especially in the Wayv subunit) who haven’t spoken out about SM and tried getting out of their contracts demonstrates SM making a better effort towards treating all of their idols more fairly. I just feel like without tangible evidence of how the idols are treated and what their management and HR department are looking like, we don’t really know if things have improved or not. And then we have Ning Ning of Aespa. Just based on how SM’s record of treating Chinese idols looks, I’m hoping that she doesn’t suffer because of that. But yeah, it’s gonna take more than just SM trying to benefit financially from the Chinese market for me to believe that they’ve doing a better job of treating their idols fairly.

[@blackroseinbloom]

I mean, Winwin is technically still part of NCT127 yet hasn’t been in the actual group promotions since Regular. SM clearly hasn’t learned to be better at treating their foreign idols, just better at keeping them silent enough to make us not suspect a thing.

[@slaymixxismyvibe8455]

i agree i hope he better learn to treat chinese idols propely as they made SM famous in china

[@iamagoodboy5672]

Hope they change for the better

[@lilmamagc]

sm will NEVER learn, just wait , atleast 2 or 3 wayv members will be going solo in the next 5-7 years.

[@SPNsherry]

Most of them have instagram accounts and regular shows on KZbin often, so it's easy to keep up with how things are going with them, they recently moved dorms to each have their own rooms.

[@THEECM]

I’m a late EXO-L, I started liking them since 2015. As much as it hurts, I’m glad Kris, Luhan and Tao are doing their own things. I’ll always support and love them. I personally felt sad when they left the group but it’s their choice. And I’m happy for them.💕 SM treats their foreign artists like crap and it still shows throughout the years of debuting other groups.😩😪 SM just needs to focus on treating their foreign artists well. I’m sick of it. I hope Lay gets to come back with his brothers. It’d be so sad but I know Lay has continuously said that he will never leave EXO. I just miss him with them, that’s all. I’m forever supporting & loving ALL of the members.

[@Shivamkumar-uu9tu]

I can Stan Thousands Of Groups But EXO would Always Be My Home Once an EXO-L Forever and EXO-L We Are One Saranghaja

[@vibhav8223]

True

[@ayugede4918]

Some EXO ot 12 always my favorit in begining antil now

[@ShahanshahShahin]

Same

[@erismiracle9779]

Yup

[@fennav4445]

The first Chinese idol in Korea was Han Geng, who debuted in SuperJunior, but he left the group. Maybe you could make a video about what happened?

[@user-wo9if4qm3d]

i dont know if its true or not after suju winning daesang at gda 2009 hangeng wants a vacation but sm rejected it. Or hangeng wants too pursue his acting career just like kibum.

[@ovojongins1374]

@@user-wo9if4qm3d there’s a video of hangeng saying sm denied him proper medical treatment and he had to suffer major health problems in the future

[@MelMoui]

Also Hangeng didn't speak a word of Korean when he singed his contract. Plus there was an actual law in Korea that prevent him from appearing on TV too much in one week. He had to go on stage with a mask if he wanted to perfom, making people think he was just a back dancer.

[@purpleyoongi6311]

EXO and T-ARA were / are like some of the most popular groups in China, T-ARA’s cfans are why the survived so long after the scandal

[@christy7378]

imagine how powerful exo would’ve been with all 12 members still )): but i know the ex-members shine just as brightly on their own now, and i couldn’t be more happy about that

[@antoniosekope6868]

It started from Super Junior. Super Junior had a very unique concept that was ahead of its time, it was a project group that was rotational that was filled with dancers, singers, mc's, actors etc. Super Junior had many different sub-units, one of these sub-units was Super Junior-M, a Chinese unit. However, Super Junior-M was constantly pushed to the back for the sake of Super Junior. So when EXO was to debut they were called a Korean-Chinese boy group, because they were to equally split into two different units; EXO-K to promote in Korea and EXO-M to promote in China. This is so both units can promote side by side without any interference to each other - unlike Super Junior and Super Junior-M. However, like mentioned in the video, EXO-M failed because SM failed to equally treat EXO-M like EXO-K. They say third times a charm and luckily SM has managed to treat WayV the way Super Junior-M and EXO-M should've been - a C-Pop group that sometimes promotes in Korea. I think THAAD played a huge part in WayV's success cause that really forces SM to treat WayV like a C-Pop group.

[@danaxol]

So, you are talking about NCT in a EXO video, but without mentioning LAY, the only chinese member who chose not to leave the group and he represents SM in China very successfully.

[@rheanaaiselg.quisao5749]

They didn't even learn a thing When members of TVXQ left,leaving ot2 and member's of Suju left and as well members of SNSD left. I'm really doubting if they even learn a thing when an EXO members left. Atleast they've learn something on Sulli and jonghyun departure.

[@rukshani4395]

It gave me nostalgia when I saw the old video of EXO. I have been an EXOL after Growl and I think SM still needs to learn more how to handle Chinese idols.

[@whatarethose2576]

Me watching this after knowing what Kris did 👁👄👁

[@07sarchives]

im here after the news too 😭😭😭

[@bonanderson9398]

Comment on Lay's experience. I partially understand his experience, but it's tragic he became separated as well and don't have enough back info.

[@ayesha-co3tt]

lay is a very important person in china. china and South Korea have many conflicts. so if Lay, as a chinese, joins exo (an sk band) and promotes with them, it'll be a problem for lay in china. china has banned kpop promotions there since around 2016. so you don't see lay actively promoting with exo. but he's really successful as a soloist like other members. but since the conflicts have reduced you see him appearing in tempo mv and don't fight the feeling mv released recently. so there are possibilities of him ACTIVELY promoting with exo. lay always mentions his members in interviews and they talk often too. exo is officially 9 including lay :)

[@KoralIntens]

EXO OT12 SuJu OT13 TVXQ OT5 Girls Generation OT9 f(x) OT5 RV OT5

[@jaelookslikechickenlittle3085]

SHINee OT5

[@KoralIntens]

@@jaelookslikechickenlittle3085 True !

[@at__w]

SHINee OT5 NCT OT23

[@veronicasargent1376]

Isn't SUJU OT15? 🤔🤔

[@KoralIntens]

@@veronicasargent1376 I didnt count members from sub-units. But thats true.

[@gbott3921]

What happened to kris? Well… he went on to go to JAIL lol

[@Noah-ef6ip]

Thank god you explained this, ever since I first started listening to kpop I was wondering what EXO-M was and what happened to them.

[@dyahayuardhanareswari8827]

i regret not stanning when they were still ot12 :(

[@RIRIwithEXO1485]

Cherries are still big until now without EXO's promotion in China thanks to Lay and their loyalty to EXO. And the fact that all 8 korean members of EXO topped the most popular non-Chinese celebs in China.

[@ad___0799]

I'm always thankful to Lay for not leaving us Now he's successful both as EXO member and a soloist And SM u s*it treat ur moneymakers better

[@edba1.037]

Call down, they treat them better for now

[@trashymulti7792]

@@edba1.037 I suddenly can't read-

[@ad___0799]

@@edba1.037 Oh really coz I don't think so They literally sat doing nothing when fake rumours abt Chanyeol was spreading,,in the end dispatch revealed truth

[@edba1.037]

@@ad___0799 i mean better than in the past

[@linhching]

@@edba1.037 not enough! They could have been successful as BTS and BP, but you cant return the time now -_-

[@HopeeInk]

Us crying over OT12 hasn’t aged well 😂

[@wendyyang2381]

I think SM treat WayV better than they treat Kris, Luhan and Tao. Hope they keep treating them fairly. But they haven’t give WinWin the spotlight that he deserves. Come on SM, please give WinWin more lines.

[@Boonies]

Now they are creating *NCT HOLLYWOOD* 😭

[@InternetsNathan]

BRUH

[@keithashleyramilo8857]

Whut- 😭😩✋

[@lilrqlovesanime650]

@@InternetsNathan IMMEDIATELY gonna be a separate video in the future, i can just tell

[@moonlightboyz6410]

@@InternetsNathan yep it was trending earlier real bad a lot hated about it but I saw one saying it they speculated that it might be a smart move tweet was made by a cultural strategist

[@Boonies]

😭🤣😭 sm really is trying to take over the world... or should I say nct hahahaaa

[@secretkingdom7343]

Exo ot12 forever

[@NONPOINT420]

EXO-m is the part of EXO I found first and loved them. However, I found them when Tao was on his way out (Overdose era). They are why I instantly fell for WayV and will NOT stop supporting them, no matter how much garbage SMe throws at them (ugh I hate SMe). And no, I know they're doing g the bare minimum when caring for their Chinese members. Just ask the dirty sasaengs living outside of their dorms or stalking them during a pandemic. No big deal!

[@crizwarren6177]

SAME!!!

[@asmozinho]

For those who don't know Our fandom name is EXO-L Bc we're between EXO-M and EXO-K Bc of the order of the letters :')

[@erismiracle9779]

and Baekhyun named EXOL AERI too

[@indigosage3148]

Now in the summer of 2021 Kris is even more known

[@user-gh6zh6dx7m]

You never mentioned Lay just like how SM forgets about him, sad.

[@whatsthepointoflivingifudo7310]

There are really people who still hate KrisHanTao because they left the group. Lemme me tell you this, there's no way 3 of them left without discussing this HUGE matter with the other members. NO WAY. I believe they did what was right & we, as fans should understand & support their decisions. Remember SM is trash. They're good at hiding things that might affect their business we'll never know what actually happened behind the closed door!

[@trashymulti7792]

People are saying “If KrisTaoHan didn't leave” even though it's actually “If SM treated EXO better from the start”

[@trashymulti7792]

And it's also really obvious that KrisTaoHan don't wanna leave their brothers....

[@whatsthepointoflivingifudo7310]

@@trashymulti7792 indeed. Who tf would leave the group when it was literally at the peak of success. They even spent their whole lives to be trained, had to live separately from their family & loved ones. Do people think that they endured all these hardships just to throw away everything?

[@Ryan-pg1tw]

maybe you should express yourself more respectful and not assume things we dont know

[@whatsthepointoflivingifudo7310]

@@Ryan-pg1twexcuse me when did I be disrespectful?

[@rosenguyen94]

“Exotics” if you are OG, you know what it stands for

[@jaetine9006]

😭😭😭😭 I salute a real one

[@bbypinkcherry]

bruh when kris left, luhan really was like “aye man, when you put in your two weeks, go ahead and put my name on the back”

[@xuimello3877]

PLZ

[@stultusdoesstuff8017]

With wayv, I think Sm at least gives them more creative freedom but they are really fucking up wayv’s promotions in China. Wayv’s been in korea ever since the pandemic started leaving wayv without any promotions in their target country, winwin and lucas are in China right now but even labelv refuses solo opportunities that members get for no reason?!? tbh I think all of wayv should go back to China since kickback promos finished and the pandemic isn’t really even a thing in China rn. Only disadvantage is that wayv can’t move back and forth from China and korea. Still thinking that if all of wayv have a schedule in China promoting themselves, then they’ll be able to take advantage of this time and get bigger. Even if they promo in China for 2 month or something then go back to Korea to prepare their next album, then the next album would be very popular. Anyways wayv has a huge potential that we can already see to make it big in china and Southeast Asia (based on the fact that wayv is still growing despite not being promoted correctly).

[@renebae1397]

I stan them from the day they debuted , it hurts so much to see them break apart . I need my 12 pizza slices together again 🥺🥺 .

[@EverRoxas]

It's more likely we'll get OT9 again someday...

[@noneofyourbusiness7094]

EXO-M's version of History made me a EXO-L. My ears fell in love with Chen's voice at first listen.

[@janecenufer9097]

When you never knew EXO even existed until ko ko bob era, but still managed to bias Luhan... Also I love NCT, especially WayV!

[@geever4atp640]

Could you talk about Lay?, the only Chinese member left in EXO, I thought you were going to mention him here but it didn't happen, ¿So could you make an exclusive video for him?

[@choicemnl6533]

The trio had a reunion and talked about their experience at SKorea as idols. Kris is into acting now but hope to see his idol side again.

[@gordon8202]

What Korean companies should discover after so many failed attempts of exploring the chinese market they should all learn one thing-- China is a piece of cake that seem very enticing but not really. The government of China has their ban towards Korea and Kpop idols which Kpop groups under korean agencies cant promote in China. WayV is technically under LabelV/威娛樂(tho we all know its just a sub-label under SM). Also, in chinese shows, they cant mention anything Korea-related. For example, when artists such as Victoria from f(x), LAY form EXO talk about their experience in Korea, they all use words "back then" or "when I was in a group", in the show "Youth With You", Lisa was only allowed to speak in English or Thai while she had clearly shown she is better and more comfortable speaking Korean than English, it really seems like "Korea" is a taboo word and its kinda funny. This shows how unpredictable things could be in China and how hard is it to break into China's market. I'm from Hong Kong so I can confidently say I'm "pretty familiar" with how Chinese work.

[@gordon8202]

@@Carolina-bw6gy tho relationship between Korea and Japan could be intense at times, it is still for from China and Korea's-- at least japan wont ban your whole country's existence and tryna whip out parts of the history

[@shuangshuangguo]

@@Carolina-bw6gy Japan market is more profitable?? U must be kidding, u should know how many copies sold in china, rosé, blackpink, baekhyun, half of their physical sales were from Chinese fans, they r rich and very supportive to their idols

[@deedeeschway9566]

@@shuangshuangguo the Japanese music market is the second largest in the world and China is 7th. China is also not entirely reliable for foreign entertainment investments because their government can and will ban artists for any reason be it personal (artistic expression or opinions) or political.

[@notmybusiness3055]

@@shuangshuangguo Japan has always been the more profitable market compared to China lol

[@notmybusiness3055]

@@deedeeschway9566 Yup the Chinese market is actually pointless to pursue if you’re not ready to be barred and banned at some point for the absolute pettiest reasons revolving around politics and past incidents. Korean companies should just keep their Korean based groups out of there (I mean they have no choice due to the hallyu ban anyways lol)as they don’t even know or want to know how it actually operates, especially for idols which are practically a new thing. It’s either that or debut Chinese based groups like how they’re trying to now, but how is that working out for them with wayv? Lol

[@Shiiwata]

The only way for WayV to gain any relevancy in China is by promoting each of the members in hopes of one or two of them blowing up but that would mean the members would promote solo and less as a group so there is no way SM will do that but that's how it works in China.

[@onetimelegacy8760]

The reason why i got into kpop was because of exo and they will always have a special place in my heart miss ot12 exo l forever we are one

[@meimei]

seeing how they forced Tao to work and dance on his broken leg, i'm glad his dad put a stop to it (rest in peace baba huang). SM needs to realized you're just prolonging their healing, dealing more pain to the idols, and all members are equal (how the chinese members were the only affected). It's bitter sweet seeing the trio on chuang after all with Kris, but hold it dear at Luhan and Taos smiles

[@jennanichols8490]

EXO ot12 is the most perfect kpop group that will never happen, the twin group concept something EXO did it the first time in kpop i personally never liked kpop until i found EXO

[@twjjang_jd]

this line up was too good to be true. sadly sme can’t handle the pressure and messed things up :

[@EverRoxas]

EXO OT9 is an amazing group, too.

[@dellaquino2634]

@@EverRoxas yeah, I kinda prefer it that way now

[@maiavitale8458]

@@dellaquino2634 me too i think ot9’s chemistry >>>>> ot12 i really like EXO the way it is right now (maybe an unpopular opinion though)

[@trashymulti7792]

@@maiavitale8458 yuppp, totally an unpopular opinion.

[@stanloona.pussies]

It’s ot11 kris wu can rot in jail!

[@Ropen]

I’ve been into EXO since they debuted and was a big EXO M fan from the beginning so was upset when they decided to leave but so happy that they are doing great and happy that the 3 members were able to connect. Everyone go listen to Coffee by Luhan & Kris!!

[@cleo5610]

so early the timestamps are brave girls and aoa- 😭

[@InternetsNathan]

I got caught in 4K...

[@toxicainyourarea]

@@InternetsNathan 😈

[@bbbbbbbbbb0]

EXO-L’s really went through it back in the day

[@martinamasih912]

I feel sad for you like u need to make the whole video again after few yrs. And then add that kris incident..... so much is happening in exo (including former members)

[@eldydiana]

Omo! I didn't know Kris Wu was an EXO member! I only knew him as Kris Wu, Cara Delevingne's friend and colleague! This is so mind-blowing 🤯 .

[@ilacaiazzo]

I still have MAMA EXO-M version, I miss them sm :'(

[@raven2466]

for sure SM gained experience from all the cases. They update the contract to cover more scenarios, and WayV/label V is such a genius way to bypass the law regarding Kpop in China

[@forevera5241]

On the surface, WayV does seem to have more creative influence and 'freedom', especially with their idol images, but I'm not sure if this is just because of how bg are portrayed in China versus SK. We'll never really know, they probably all have NDC agreements.

[@henrybanchieri8305]

Can your next video be “This Is How woo!ah! Was Formed”? I’d like to know how the woo!ah! members trained for their debut

[@ayugede4918]

For me EXO M and EXO ot 12 always my first love antil now and sport all off them special (Kris wu, luhan and z.tao)👍

[@Moreinasense]

I feel like exo-m was not treated as a proper sub-unit but as a cover group of exo-k in chinese. If they had there own songs+promotion the situation might have been better. Sadly that didn't happen and the members were just mismanaged overall.

[@random37143]

Mistreating Exo is the biggest mistake of SM. No offence but Exo deserved the fame and success BTS and Blackpink got. Lack of promotions, and spending less money on them are responsible for everything in my opinion. ps: No offence. I love bts and bp. It's just a fact Edit: Dear Exo-ls, After 3 years of stanning Exo, I finally realized that Exo is like Platinum, whereas every other idol group is Gold or Silver. Platinum is more precious and those who know it (Exo-L), stan them for life. So if anties say that Exo is old, faded, and expired, then let it be. Don't waste your energy arguing. Some truths don't even need to be proved.

[@hidey5484]

Plus the suck political issue between korea and China make it more shit

[@zs8468]

It is a pure fact EXO are whole package of talent in whole kpop industry

[@rinchenkapoor8617]

Agreed

[@jennanichols8490]

honestly they had lot of western offers Sm rejected them

[@maiavitale8458]

actually EXO is one of the the biggest groups in kpop, what they achieved is so great that 99% of the kpop groups in the industry still can’t reach it but did EXO is capable of getting even bigger? hell yes, would SM let that happen? no never

[@aSUGAaddiction]

How they were treated was why it took a long time for me to stan EXO. I am glad they have all found success and happiness now.

[@wenpluswenis17]

I still think it's unfortunate that they left, but it's what happened. I still love EXO and the 3 members who left, but ot12 is just something I got over. They haven't been ot12 since 2014, that was 7 years ago. Younger me was sad, but I think it was better that they left. They found their own kind of success that they got to be proud of. It's sad there was bad blood and conflict for a few years, but as they got older I'm glad they figured it all out and they don't have tensions between them anymore. Them leaving may have marked a bitter end to years of work and training, but it allowed them the freedom to find their own happiness. For that, I can't say I would want OT12 to have always been together, because if they were, all of these amazing opportunities to all parties may have never happened. They have their own happiness, for example Luhan and his girlfriend, who are we to take that from them?

[@sparkle-bae]

I am happy to see that you made a video on this topic cuz people don't talk about it☹️

[@aynamaliehamaliekatawano6183]

i have always wanting you to release about exo m ;-; thank you for this

[@ninasantos6872]

Damn I miss luhan😭😭😭 He's my first bias in kpop😞

[@priyankaadwani3109]

Please make video on lay Our boy so hard but no one acknowledges him😭 He’s the boy that stayed and fought sm to active his dreams🥺💪🏼

[@brokfan4eva]

ugh that was such a big scandal back when Kris, Luhan and then Tao left. I'm not an EXO-L but I like some of EXO's older music circa Overdose era. I don't think SM really learned too much from when they left EXO, the way they've treated Zhou Mi from Super Junior M (who has been allowed to do solo work but hasn't been doing much other than collab work recently with WayV). They've allowed Lay from EXO-M to do stuff in China but separate from the EXO main group and I've heard the fans think he's overworked and they want to see him with the rest of the group but he's able to do more work in China than Korea. They also allowed Victoria from f(x) to do work in China until her contract expired (So happy about that!)I do applaud Kris and Luhan for doing what they did. Much better than when Hangeng left Super Junior, that was horrible. I had just become an ELF and Super Junior is still my first Kpop love but how SM treated him breaks my heart. I'm so glad he left and is doing much better now.

[@ayesha-co3tt]

I agree about lay, but he still participates in some of the exo activities. he's there in the recent comeback exo mv

[@kpopstanunnie]

I have been kpop fan since I was 12 years old and now I am 23 and EXO former member departure was my deepest broken heart as a kpop fans. I know deep in their heart they still brothers with exo specially Tao & Luhan. Now, as long as they are happy I am also happy for them. EXO debuted 2012 and they done a lot they have a lot of achievements yet they re so kind and humble.. I am really proud of them, I may stan other group but EXO is always home. I will always support them forever cause We are ONE!

[@tc6103]

Such a cool topic for you to talk about!

[@lilmamagc]

kris did leave for health reasons too, idk why people always want to gaslight him for that.

[@gv3181]

long story short: *no, no they did not.* 😭

[@BB-tw1jr]

please consider making one of these for nuest! i’d love to see your take on their journey

[@slendersicecream]

Thanks for your hard work and great videos!

[@BrieFee]

nathan always asking the important questions!

[@kpopstan8195]

I miss EXO,I wish so would treat them better they are literally built the sm building and the treatment is so horrible to EXO,miss Tao Kirs Luhan,OT12 FOREVER!

[@YOU-mj6rh]

I really hope Wayv gets what they deserve

[@sarahdiness]

This video was bomb!! I would love to see a Got7 video and what they are doing now!! I know you made a Got7 video a few months ago but I want an updated version ahhhh it would BREAK THE WORLD

[@uei6591]

After the Kris Wu incident, the ot12 agenda for EXO is clearly be on the blurry and vaguely likely to happen. This made me realised that we didn't know them personally and what they do is their own business in which is not in our control as fans. But the least they could do after they leave a company is to be a decent human being on their future. This applies to every idol in the industry.

[@layinginthemoon]

when they first dropped the teasers for EXO, the member who catched my attention was Luhan and yes it was notorious that there was a preference for the Korean members so I was always happy when they got to promote as 12 since we could see more of all of them and I loved the interactions between all the members. So when Kris, Luhan and Tao left yes I was surprised but when Luhan said his reasons I got it even tho till this day I'm sad about it since I really liked the EXO-M members and Luhan was my bias in EXO but I'm happy for them.

[@DIFC___]

i was waiting for this!!! thx bro

[@XuiLeeEv]

Commenting for the algorithm, hope you can get back on your feet!

[@cathodexuxinayu6404]

Imagine if exo m had interacted with wayv 💔

[@williamchen1767]

the intro is brilliant

[@ijm1261]

I wonder if EXO (or GOT7 for that matter) could have capitalized in 2017-18 the way Bighit did with BTS did if there wasn't turmoil/lawsuits etc.

[@pokerface4848]

EXO and GOT7 was literally that big in their early years... it sucks SM and JYP did not use them wisely

[@ijm1261]

@@pokerface4848 and then NCT and SKZ got to be the redo. I agree completely with Nathan. It just really sucks for EXO/GOT7. I also think it's a smart move by BH to not only debut new groups but continue caring for and cultivating their successful 3rd gen group. That said I kind of hope YG can get it together and do the same for Blackpink.

[@maiavitale8458]

@@ijm1261 sucks for EXO dude they on hiatus but for Got7 situation it’s far worse they were treated worse

[@trashymulti7792]

@@maiavitale8458 Hmmmm... I don't think so though....

[@colle_dlr7418]

@@maiavitale8458 Both of the group treated worse for all we knew. EXO OT12 became OT9 while GOT7 was disbanded. They both suffer worse, struggles is not a thing to be compared of, so I don't think you can just say that this group had it worse than this group etc. They both SUFFER AND NEGLECTED BY THEIR OWN COMPANY and that's the fact🙂😀

[@BeautyMinnie]

as an exo-l during these times when all the Chinese members left, it was definitely heartbreaking. Like how luhan pointed out the favouritism within the group, which was very noticeable during that time. It was very sad by the way sm held EXO. And as an NCTzen rn, you can tell that they still have the "favouritism" or " preferable" group. Especially during nct 2020 promotions.. I think they still need lots of learning to stop having favourites or having preferable members.

[@erismiracle9779]

I love their album releases and listens to them even till now

[@proximarandi9343]

I started following them from 2013 and my love for EXO never changed it grown more and more stronger and still want luhan, kris and tao to be back in group, but still respect their decision. Loveyou EXO

[@mercedesmcgee89]

My frist kpop love was Kris Wu, Luhan & Tao will always have special place in my 💗 #EXO12forever

[@juliapyzik8486]

Super Junior and subunit Super Junior M was actually first major SM project targeted to chinese market. Exo was kind of 'level up' of suju and what they were doing. And obviously SM didn't learn anything after how they treated Hangeng. Anyways let's not forget about suju, they paved the way in so many aspects

[@edwardkuoch]

And now WayV concept is an upgrade of EXO-M

[@natasya0618]

LSM pretty much has fetish for AKB48 and Chinese market. From SJ down to the NCT, wonder if their NNBG is AI version of Way V.

[@juliapyzik8486]

@@natasya0618 yeah, pretty much. And conquering us market:) all of these strategies failed or were misunderstood by general public. Chinese expansion could've been successful yet political mess happened. I think SM should go back to focus on Japanese market and of course domestic one, but it will be impossible with those weird concepts.

[@natasya0618]

@@juliapyzik8486 SM has no idea what NCT should be eventhough beng rotational group, their statements are inconsistent. Should focus on manage their artists first before create another one. NCT and WayV kids are the victims here, 20+ members and counting but they are under utilized. Poor Taeyong, Mark, Ten and Lucas overwork and still shoved into SuperM. AKB in the early years took time to establish and adjust their system before create its sisters.

[@juliapyzik8486]

@@natasya0618 yes, fully agreed. But tbh I feel like in 2022-23 most overworked members will have solo debuts so sadly the gap will be even bigger. Let's hope for the best but prepare for the worst - that is SM stans' motto 💀

[@sausanrajulisman4501]

And thanks to them, we have WayV.. i hope SM learned from it and lets just hope for the best for all of them.. we EXO L know and still believes on OT 12

[@whatthefuck858]

2 minutes late and love your vids ❤

[@sormengthidasami5451]

Hiiii I’m love to watch your videos

[@micah459]

This is hard because while it seems they did hurt the other exo members by suddenly leaving, they're mental and physical health is more important so they felt like they had to leave and I'm glad they were willing to stand up to the big man because most idols are too scared to do that and it seems like most idols don't have a backbone.

[@kbmackey]

I love and enjoy watching your videos. I just wanted to add that Kris and Luhan are still under SM until 2022 but are able to promote outside of Korea. Tao just my opinion I think he paid his way out. I'm not mad about it. I still support EXO, Kris, Luhan, and Tao.