What Happened To The Lost Arkham Game?

[@Demsky83]

The nemesis system, copyrighted and subsequently abandoned. Thanks WB

[@EnterpriseKnight]

how do you even copyright an idea?

[@GamerSlyRatchet1]

It’s being used for the Wonder Woman game.

[@clumsycaden5708]

@@EnterpriseKnight you're right, you cant copyright an idea, but it is no longer an idea because it got used as a game mechanic. Yes its stupid that companies can copyright game mechanics but that's how this world works

[@DonDarko593]

@@EnterpriseKnight it wasn't an idea its a mechanic used in shadows of war / mordor, also they trademarked it so nobody else could use that gem of a concept because it was the only real substance they had to make there titles unique and feel fresh. WB lack so hard on so many levels if it wasn't for DC and LOTR etc

[@dylaxiusmccoy]

They've claimed that it will be used in an upcoming wonder woman game, though with how little they've said about the game since it's initial announcement it wouldn't surprise me if they cancelled it as well.

[@nathanielsmith-f9p]

It was rumored to have been called Batman: Arkham Legacy. To think that this could have been Kevin Conroy's last voice acting as Batman would have been incredible, instead WB went with SSKTJL.

[@samsmith8415]

Quit the arkham series to go to live service loot shoot. Embarrassing. I loved these games. Rocksteady sold out

[@equinox5667]

no gotham knights was called arkham legacy and was gonna be made by wb but they went with a original storyline

[@nathanielsmith-f9p]

WB was working on Project Sabbath which was the project name for the "rumored" titled game Batman: Arkham Legacy, sequel to Batman: Arkham Knight. It got canceled and Gotham Knights became a separate thing as it's not related to the arkhamverse.

[@equinox5667]

@@nathanielsmith-f9p a voice actor that was supposed to voice damian stated that it wasn’t in the Arkham games

[@nathanielsmith-f9p]

I believe that was Josh Keaton. They are certain details about Project Sabbath that suggests it's related to the arkhamverse, like Harley Quinn starting a cult after the Joker who died years prior and Poison Ivy's resurrection (which they put into SSKTJL). Fact of the matter is we're not gonna know for sure because the whole thing was cancelled. I'm only saying this would've been a better final game for Kevin Conroy.

[@durnbruh]

suicide squad should have never been connected to the arkham universe

[@joycemalenya7829]

True that!

[@KratosisGod]

They had to do it to leech off of the good will of arkham franchise

[@Message_]

They only did it for sales. There is no other reason to connect it

[@ainjuuuul0]

idk if it’s just me but i feel like it kinda ruins the whole arkham atmosphere (if that makes any sense)

[@stone_est19xx50]

You mfs gotta stop crying

[@Shak2k11]

Man a Beyond Arkham game would've been the perfect sequel to Arkham Knight. you can imagine the innovation that game would have after a present day freeroam Gotham City to a bigger more vertically higher Gotham with way more traversal gadgets that would be faster and more efficient like Spiderman 2

[@matijadjurovic2100]

I almost feel like they made the ending intentionally open-ended and ambigious in arkham knight to allow for wb montreal to make an arkham beyond sequel, it would have been so awesome, but then suicide squad ruined everything.

[@matijadjurovic2100]

And it would have been the first arkham game without joker, omg.

[@TheHalloweenSpirit]

There were big rumors that Rocksteady wanted to do new original things after his Arkham trilogy ends but Warner pushed the studio to full focus on popular DC brands (they pitched a Superman project but WB was way more interested in a Suicide Squad game after the big success of Will Smith & Margot Robbie 2016 film adaptation), so many veteran members of Rocksteady (like founder and director Sefton Hill) abandoned the team these past years

[@inshal6420]

It was an original IP third person shooter apparently not a Superman game.

[@nottoofast]

Success? What success?

[@funkyreapercat5280]

​@@nottoofastCommercial success is also success.

[@joeylawrence3865]

@@nottoofastit made 750 million at the box office. I’m sure WB considered that a success.

[@michaelstone5862]

I wish they did an original IP A third person shooter with the free flow combat would have been awesome

[@FullMetalHans]

The idea of a cyberpunk Batman Beyond game with the nemesis system is awesome!

[@VITAS874]

That concept with free territory from enemys is very boring.. just shadow of mordor copy paste.

[@hyperion3145]

​@@VITAS874 I can only see it being interesting if they actually fight each other so there's room for you to play them against each other. Otherwise, it's just boring.

[@KratosisGod]

I dont believe for a second leaks were the reason the game was cancelled if that was the case ssktjl, gta 6 and tlou2 would've been cancelled as well, if I had to guess it was probably WB wanting to get aboard the live service train that was in full force back then so they decided to gut everything that wasn't a live service.

[@kalebporter1529]

Sad but true

[@Leo.de99]

Even Wolverine didn’t get cancelled lol

[@KratosisGod]

@@Leo.de99 lol forgot about that one

[@magiklam2991]

I swear higher ups are even more disconnected with mass than a hermit living on the edge of Siberia. Ofc if the codes and project files got leaked it's detrimental, but concept art "leaks" are such great tools to generate hype and for market scouting. Like if everyone f with the leaks and concept there are no reason to not follow thru with the plan.

[@arthurpendragon3000]

Leaks don't cancel projects that have started, especially with a game. A game is primarily about its playability and setting not about its secret story lines. If a story is the reason for a game then what about driving and fighting games? Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter, Gran Turismo, Forza, etc are huge franchises that really have no story. If a game has leaks it's because people are hyped about the game. If the leak is something spectacular it could actually make more hype.

[@mangafurie7698]

I just want a Batman beyond game. They could even call it Batman Arkham Beyond

[@Notarealhandl3]

Batman :beyond Arkham

[@mrfilmreviewcriticman4110]

Man dookie poopie

[@Bowiiihowdy]

Or Just Batman Beyond

[@magiklam2991]

Ham : Boing Man

[@KrisTheBatSpider21]

I don't and I'm glad it didn't happen classic Batman is always better than Batman Beyond

[@Jaques20]

This would have been significantly better than Gotham Knights… this feels so much better thought out and a better installment than what we got

[@Mikemic2218]

We should've gotten that batman beyond arkham game. I wanted to play as terry mcginnis...

[@Raqz-3three]

They were rumored to have went with Damian Wayne

[@Mikemic2218]

@@Raqz-3three it was gonna also going to give us terry mcginnis too.

[@KrisTheBatSpider21]

I don't I want the classic Batman and that's what we got with three Arkham games classic Batman is much more better than Batman Beyond for me

[@Raqz-3three]

@@Mikemic2218 oh dope can you send me link so I can check it man

[@MichaelReeves412]

In an alternate universe, this video is about the cancelled Suicide Squad game

[@TheDirtysouthfan]

A Suicide Squad game was hinted at in Origins when Amanda Waller confronts Deathstroke and pushes him into the Suicide Squad... of course that went nowhere, just like how the Batfleck movie with Deathstroke as the villain never got made. Also don't forget how the game shits all over the animated Assaiult on Arkham and Arkham Comics.

[@trickyricky4731]

For all we know it could have been bad too, we could be sitting here saying to ourselves "at least the suicide squad game wouldn't have had gorilla Grodd tea bagging old Bruce with his monkey nuts" or something

[@Calamity_Skylark]

​​@@trickyricky4731 hey it's in a way better than being shot on a park bench in metropolis by Harley Quinn

[@ThisJitDark]

Haven't watch the video yet but id rather have this game than you know what Ssktjl is testicular cancer now

[@darks2485]

too real my man... too real literally lego batman is more worth the money then the garbage we got

[@leonhuckstep472]

Testicular cancer?

[@suhsnow]

@@darks2485don’t compare the goated lego batman to that.

[@PlayBatty]

Testicular cancer, right?

[@darks2485]

@@suhsnow trueee

[@josephking3654]

You had me at Arkham verse and the nemisis system

[@erhiueQWEF]

Its wild to me how much dishonesty and subterfuge surrounds Gotham Knights and Kill The Justice League. I saw on Twitter a developer was clapping back swearing up and down they were never working on a Superman game.

[@ravenbeast8639]

Instead we got a bunch of third rate villains pissing on Flash's corpse!!!! Great job Rock Steady

[@KSLucid]

you must be stupid of you hate Rock steady for it instead of WB which cancelled superman game and batman beyond game lol

[@TheOrangeSunsetGaming]

Would've loved to an old Bruce Wayne secretly trained another younger successor. Could've brought in Damien or had a Batman Beyond game, but here we are.

[@_YourFlyIsOpen]

An Arkham style Batman Beyond game was my dream that will unfortunately never come to fruition 😔

[@infinity-8250]

When i first heard about this and learned Damian was going to be the next playable batman it was already dead in the water production wise, the concept sounds interesting and this was around the time i learned about Damian wayne and started to like his character

[@LookingTheBest]

They even had the return of Joker set up with the whole blood plot from the original 3

[@YSL8704]

0:20 IS THAT JONKLER-

[@rydn_x]

Bruce Thomas Voice of Adler in black ops 6 recently in a interview with Dan Allen said that he was gonna play a old batman in the scrapped Batman Arkham Game and Josh Keaton was gonna play someone else

[@notrdy4thisjelly546]

Whether the leaks were to blame or not, I don't understand why anyone would want to know everything about an unreleased project they're interested in. Is a still image and wall of text even comparable to seeing a completed project? Why wouldn't you want to be surprised?

[@nathanc9846]

"60 year old harley Quinn" makes no sense shed be like in her 40s if it was 10 years after arkham knight

[@lirfrank]

I feel Warner will do what they always do and retcon the unsuccessful thing out of the equation. Man of Steel was originally going to be part of the Nolan-verse, The Flash movie was going to be part of the DCU (Blue Beetle will probably also be retconned), Superman Returns is lowkey ignored on the Reeve continuity, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if we later learn SS:KtJL is a "Arkhamverse's introduction to the multiverse" or a "They were clones all along" type-deal.

[@VITAS874]

Then they all lost. Idiots...

[@BowenEros-gt8gn]

"Batman: Arkham Beyond" has a sick ring to it.

[@FantasticMario]

I love the Arkham games so much! Arkham Asylum was my first experience of Batman that wasn't The Dark Knight movies. I recently finished Arkham Knight for the first time, but Asylum has such a special place for me! Just the map alone, is perfect for me! Arkham Batman is my Batman hands down!

[@kevindin1]

At this point restart this project And give us a true sequel to arkham knight and make Suicide squad Not cannon

[@carbonx4506]

would be nice but super unrealistic

[@cavanmatcham3881]

People blaming rocksteady for suicide squad not realising that WB basically have them on a leash, I’m sure they would’ve stuck with their story choices either way but blaming RS for monetisation methods etc is just crazy when these guys gave us not just a great trilogy loved by gamers but loved by people that grew up with the comics.

[@real.Z267]

This is the game in which I hope wb’s second game is (alongside Superman)

[@ColonelFrostNZ]

The Batman Beyond game should have had terry as the main with Damian as the next leader of the league of shadows. Hating his father for not giving him the cowl since he was too violent to be Batman. Have Greyson as a mentor also. Really could have been a tale not only evolving the BatFamily but Terrys rogue gallery. This game being cancelled was the worst kind of potential Wasted Potential.

[@MetrohamComicMedia]

I remember being 12 in 6th grade hearing about the rumors of Batman Beyond Arkham and I was super excited when I heard all these awesome things I think if done right it could’ve been good I heard rumors kite man was also gonna be a side mission 👀

[@TheZackofSpades]

Kite man. Hell yeah.

[@nice1bro759]

no wonder why the arkham subreddit went insane considering what incredible game was lost

[@mrbrookah4117]

Sabbath was really great, at least in hindsight and compared to what GK became. It was familiar to what had been established by the Arkham games with enough changes to help it find its own identity. Such a shame it got canned all because WB thought it was too similar and safe.

[@istrumguitars]

WOW I have been playing the Arkham series since the beginning but never made the artistic connection between it and Bioshock… it makes total sense. S++ nugget there.

[@thefixer8765]

a batman beyond game would've been awesome

[@AFalk86]

Why did they cancel the games that looked interesting and give us bullshit like Gotham knights and Suicide squad.

[@kalebporter1529]

Because they were dumb enough to think that those games were gonna be successful. HAHAHA. i guarantee you project sabath would have made more money than those two combined. Lesson learned

[@AFalk86]

@@kalebporter1529 I don't understand why they would cancel a game because off a leak. So what if they game is good who cares if some pictures got out. I didn't think it was possible to ruin the Arkham franchise but they found a way.

[@VITAS874]

Answer is: wb don't care.

[@DrippinSix]

Batman beyond dude. They need an open world gotham with terry as the new bat. A flying batmobile and multiple sub layers added to the city. Just like the show

[@tannerbudge8459]

I think its interesting because I noticed this is the game they were probably developing for a while, then around 2018 ish they probably decided to figure out a way to make it a battle pass/looter shooter/live service game instead of a contained one player game. Studio probably made them change it to make more money.

[@frostzy1278]

i love how you summed up the whole 4 games in less then 5 minutes

[@travit666]

5:34 that poison ivy looks wayyyyyy more like a duela dent (jokers daughter)

[@majk173]

I would rather see Batman Beyond game.

[@jakeproven256]

Yes, terry is a far better character than Damien!

[@nemesisprime4501]

Terry is a suitable batman beyond character, not damian wayne even though he's the son or Bruce, but terry was the one and only true son of batman

[@JNacio4k]

@@nemesisprime4501if I’m correct terry is Batman technically because he was cloned by Bruce Wayne’s dna

[@all9472]

@@JNacio4k no son waller replaced the cum dna

[@majk173]

@@jakeproven256 I agree!

[@LookingTheBest]

I always wanted to have a Beyond game after the original 3. They had the future city being built in knight, and then they had both the actors for both Terry and Bruce in interviews all over the place, and then boom nothing. Suicide squad was a mistake.

[@Dadbod007]

Why would leaks kill a game? That’s BS. It got killed bc of DEI and ESG.

[@nathanbeales8900]

These companies waste so many opportunities because they're blinded by arrogance

[@bumpercarjoe6391]

Your “reimagining” sounded AMAZING. And I really liked the story behind Gotham Knights and with a few key adjustments could have been stellar!

[@mattyt1961]

true, there were some great moments in Gotham Knights. I think it was a great base to work from and build an amazing game around

[@knightdriven4202]

I like how Batman faked his own death and then used scarecrows fear toxin to continue as batman but criminals now double fear him because they think he's dead and he uses fear toxin

[@backupschmliff1156]

Man this is so interesting. I wonder if we'll ever get a follow up to Arkham Knight. It's a shame abaolutely nothing at all has came out since then.

[@thefonzkiss]

Knight story was garbage because Paul Dini wasn’t involved. The whole Knight military thing made no sense at all, no boss fights and the sub-missions were lame AF. Too much time spent on making the tank stuff.

[@pajamapantsjack5874]

They took the title “Batman: Beyond Arkham’s “ from us A perfect double entendres of Batman beyond, and that this game is moving beyond Arkham. Instead we get “the suicide squad kill the justice league” which is still overly long

[@sidd_not_vicious2609]

man I love those images of the bat all grizzled and grey haired...that is what we want

[@hisaceinthehole3426]

I remember rocksteady leaking something about court of owls a while back and then nothing

[@Decapiated]

Two face being a faction in a part of gotham is great but character wise it would make more sense for him to be more of a "third party" as in not aligned with either court of owls and obviously not with batman but maybe more random "50/50" chances of helping The court of owls on certain situations. I know two face has teamed up with fellow villians before both in comics and even in these games but it always feels very uncharacteristic of him to me in my opinion.

[@officialbrucewayne]

I believe it was released from leaks. Are you kidding leaks ruin everything.

[@DonDarko593]

that would have been bonkers for a batman game with that amazing nemesis engine man...shadows of mordor / war was amazing

[@PaulBeast1]

Me watching this video back after just getting done playing Arkham Asylum for the first time in like three years on PlayStation five and I did a speed run and solved most of the riddles that normally when I first started playing when the game first came out would take me months to get

[@MrChristianDT]

I kind of thought the Nemesis system in a batman game would've just been extremely annoying, if they worked it specifically into how Talons worked, that would've kind of been a pretty cool concept, actually. It just would've been annoying if it becomes necessary in completing the game to clear Talons if there is a never ending supply of NPC enemies filling power vacuums while you are trying to move forward.

[@emeraldphoenix5868]

I would still love to see the Damian Wayne Batman game get Revived,Its Potential is still Untapped. BTW,I am going to make my own Interpretation of Damian's Batsuit as if it was the Final Design.

[@adrianpearcy8531]

I need new Batman Arkham game please! Batman Arkham Beyond!

[@Chase-LBC]

A future Batman game with Terry McGinnis and an older Kevin Conroys bruce wayne as his mentor doing cool shit around NEOGotham I think that's what everyone wants

[@AshtonFrostDiamond]

This would've been the best Batman game of all time

[@fireball_prometheus]

and now most people are saying " i wish we never got another arkham game"

[@thebalkanremix]

Companies don’t have faith in batman beyond they need to drop something

[@tenthapollo1062]

I am actually so happy and yet also remorseful after watching this video... I had always envisioned that a Batman game with the nemesis system from Shadow of Mordor/War would probably be like the hit of the decade, the nemesis system is so alive and just... fit a Gotham game about trying to take down an underworld of villains, even more than it could ever fit LOTR in my opinion. Hopefully WB finally commits to making a game with it, or they allow someone else who has the balls enough to use the nemesis system to make what would probably be the game of the century

[@lukky6648]

It seems that this and the loss of the superman game they were working on which got scraped for suicide squad , is the reason why the founders left

[@Dom_510]

I can’t believe they scrapped project sabbath in favor of making Gotham Knights. Everything about the game sounded so cool.

[@TheZackofSpades]

“Origins is underrated” is a hill that I’m willing to die on

[@bracejennings196]

Would’ve been interesting to see this lost Arkham game. “Now madness takes you.. FOREVERR” -Scarecrow

[@unleashthedog]

I don't believe that they shut down an in-development game just because of leaks. I have avidly played the Arkham games (which in turn made me want to start collecting the seminal Batman graphic novels) and I hadn't heard of this stuff.

[@farhanzaman436]

Honestly if they do make an Arkham beyond, I can see Michael Ironside voice an older Batman as he’s another good voice actor for the role

[@s.w.4409]

Are you going to make any more Ready or Not lore videos about the new and updated maps?

[@yaldabraxas]

Ready or Not is a pain to play right now, thanks to AI.

[@s.w.4409]

@@yaldabraxas Not sure what it has to do with the lore of the game, but ok. I played through the commander mode, couple of the missions took a few tries but overall not to bad if you don't care for the mission rating at the end, which shouldn't affect lore stuff anyways...

[@yaldabraxas]

@@s.w.4409 To get to the lore you need finish the map first to be able to freely walk around. I dunno. I felt burnt out after one full walkthrough.

[@Homosexual_Harley]

@@yaldabraxashe said he is tho, it’s probably not going to be the priority, but he’s gonna do it still, might just be a longer wait

[@Anonymice]

The Arkham Knight's design was so fucking good.

[@regularstan6212]

8:48 the story for ss ktjl was leaked. They should have canceled it

[@ecano77]

With the rumor of the nemesis mechanic, WE COULD OF CREATED OUR OWN ROUGES GALLERY. HOW COOL THAT WOULD OF BEEN. WE COULD OF LITERALLY BE THE BATMAN.

[@wilc2053]

just found your page, subscribing just because of your channel name

[@lorenzofontana31]

even tho i want a batman beyond game and another arkham game. this sounds absolutely awesome and unique, truly a shame we'll never play it

[@adrianpearcy8531]

This game must be revived! I don't understand how it was possible to cancel this masterpiece and create Ghotam knights?! I'm still waiting for the new installment in the Batman Arkham series. Batman Beyond or the revival of this cancelled game. Ghotam Knights and suicide squad, this is a shameful game for kids. We need a new installment in the Batman Arkham series, adult and dark game.

[@domg0714]

They didn’t develop Gotham Knights, that’s something completely different

[@belowaveragejakeee]

its been a month wheres my ready or not lore :(((((((((((((((

[@sugarmelody4264]

And now it may never happen ever again because head of the Arkham series left Rocksteady now

[@vegascvpiaaron6807]

This wouldve been so epic. And wuldve been awesome to see how the city has changed. Maybe even finally let us go see and explorer places we had been before but now in the future like the asylum and arkham city which i woildve always wondered what had happened to these places after arkham city and knight. Couldve been so cool.

[@Drengr_in_nz]

There was also meant to be another Arkham game known as Arkham insurgency but ended up never being released.

[@Bigshak80]

They should have made the Damien batman over the Gotham knights.

[@zekesalazar7643]

Man this would have been amazing, I’m saddened it never came to fruition.

[@Dabajaws]

If Two Face was going to be the judge then he could have been a potential ally or at least a temporary one

[@RepugnanciaDulzona]

What's with the aidandecavitte guy asking whether he's ticklish @08:00 lmao

[@whitezombified]

100% random but for some reason Ive always thought that the City suit looked a lot like the Clooney suit in the face of the cowl and his jaw too, especially when he does certain expressions. Maybe I'm just crazy lol

[@CHEESEYMANSTUDIOS]

Cool video about man lore but did you deadmau5 is actually liverat.

[@officialbrucewayne]

But it'd still suck as the ending of Arkham Knight everyone knows Bruce Wayne is Batman so they'd know every Batman would be related to him. Which is why knights ending is a POS

[@faustrocket565]

A superman or even TMNT game would have been much better than the suicide squad.

[@TheMpo1986]

It's like Rocksteady played Injustice:Gods among us and thought "What if we re-made this but it's just the story mode. I don't see the point?

[@bofa83]

How did the nemesis system never catch on? It’s so cool.

[@LordTyrone1989]

Ever heard of retcons? I'm pretty sure we'd _all_ support replacing Kill the Justice League with a masterpiece like this.

[@koza.]

curious if that nemesis system is going to be repurposed in SSKtJL, seeing as there are rival taunts in the game

[@heavenroots7]

I will never play SSKJL. I will wait till a respectful DC game comes out or die waiting.

[@__-ni1kz]

Every goddamn video essay on KZbin has a stupidly long summary of everything prior to the actual topic of the video.

[@churchofsatan2041]

I want Terry McGinnis from Batman Beyond

[@ParanormalState100]

They stillhave done nothing with the nemesis system which is sad to me

[@SalsadMango]

I liked the story for the canceled game, especially in terms of lore. Regarding what happened in SS:KTJL, I must admit I was surprised by the freedom they were given to develop the story. However, upon seeing the story leaks (ironically) post-lunch, I'm saddened by what they have done. It seems they added a "surprise" element just for the sake of it, and any further developments will only make it appear as though they are trying to fix things rather than asserting that this was their vision from the beginning.

[@kirillshmakov7094]

Such a shame that these game never got a chance to be a legacy game for arkham.

[@sanidhyadevgupta6452]

There were so many Batman beyond leaks untill suicide squad was revealed. Damn only if wb would have listened to the fans and have given us what we wanted.

[@TheGary108]

A Batman Beyond with the Nemesis System would have been kickass.