What happened to the other story Antagonists? - FFXIV Lore Explored

[@bolladragon]

The main antagonist in the HW arc of the Astrologian storyline is actually still in the Sharlayan forum during EW. If you watch closely during scenes where the entire forum is present, he ALWAYS votes against us.

[@TCMarik7]

Not surprised, Selvester was defeated at our hands at the end of the 50 to 60 questline so we are his most hated enemy and he hates what we stand for. He might try to get us, the twins and the rest of the Scions killed one of these days. He's tried before; he can try again.

[@TCMarik7]

Selvester's attitude towards Eorzea and it's people is very similar to Garlemald's view on Eorzea. The people of Eorzea in their eyes are nothing more then savages and barbarians. Selvester likely would have approved the Meteor Project destroying Eorzea.

[@Er404ChannelNotFound]

You should do more stuff like this for lesser known stories of villains and whatnot. One I particularly like is the story of Lowdy, the widow in the 3.X quests who attempts to prolong the war against the dragons. Her fate is finally elaborated on in the Stormblood Dark Knight questline.

[@Techstriker1]

I like the new gods raids addressed the Lambs of Dalamud.

[@piplup00]

I think the sidelining of these antagonists has a LOT to do with FFXIV's narrative shift from National and International politics to a more cosmic PoV beginning with Shadowbringers. The 14 plotline from ARR to Stormblood is really about the various nations grappling with their politics, factions, and mechanisms while living in a world of magic and gods. Shadowbringers, while great, has begun a trend (that is hopefully closed off by Endwallker) of focusing on the more fantastical elements of 14's universe and putting politics to the side. With our world seemingly saved and the devs hinting a sort of reset, I hope we get back to more Political stories.

[@WyrmLimion]

Fully agreed. They added a level of intrigue to the story that really took you by surprise. Like you, I'm hopeful for more stories like the ones of old in ARR, HW and SB. The next decade is gonna be something else!

[@powerofk]

I think we will go back to national/international politics for 7.0. But since we don't need to deal with Garlemald anymore, nor the Ascians, the story boarding crew is working tirelessly on coming up with new big bads (and yes, FF14 was not the only FF game where the final boss was not really the main villain of the story - and also not the only FF game where the final surprise boss was revealed very late in the game). All we know for sure is that we're probably done with the Three Major Continents for a while, and we've got more adventuring to do. Where will we end up? Meracydia and the New World both look promising. The 13th? We'll probably make more excursions there later (I do NOT think 7.0 will be primarily fought in the 13th, though I do think we'll spend an eventual full expansion there eventually, maybe in 9.0 or 10.0). I honestly think that our current mini-excursions to the 13th are giving us an early sample of what the main overarching struggle will eventually be in the next overarching story arc, but for now, they're just kinda filler stuff. I mean, there have been so many hints pointing to the 13th as a place we'll almost definitely spend a full expansion there eventually... most likely the very final expansion in the game. Honestly, IIRC, 6.1 or 7.0 is supposed to be kinda a "new beginning area" for players who join in 7.0 and beyond (because, honestly, having to start out at 2.0 is already quite a long story). This is part of the reason for the Unending Codex - so that we can have a digest of the lore and main characters from the Hydaelyn/Zodiark saga. The 6.1 through 6.5 story really is more of a collection of mini-adventures to help fill the gap between two major over-arching story arcs (and to think, 6.0 almost was an expansion focused exclusively on Garlemald, with the conclusion to the story coming in 7.0 instead). The story right now could go anywhere - and that's what's fun about it. It's almost as if we're starting FF 14-2. Being between major overarching story arcs is a big reason why so many content creators are stepping away from FF14 at the moment. It's not that they don't still enjoy the game - they still very much do - but it's the perfect time right now to step away from the game if you so desire. It's not just a break in the story between patches - it was the end of an overarching arc that spanned a decade. And so if you want to just put the game away for a while so that you're ready emotionally for the beginning of the sequel, that's probably not a bad idea. Also, if you've been away for a while, it's the perfect time to jump back in and catch up! Queue time is very low, mentors are chilling waiting for sprouts and returners, and most people who are caught up are pretty much just either chilling in limsa, running daily frontlines, or working on their island farms. Or grinding tomestones to be able to buy more Manderville weapons.

[@WyrmLimion]

@@powerofk There are so many great points here! Amazing writeup! Your idea has had me pondering what 7.0 could look like later after its release. We suddenly find ourselves on the world stage with all the nations now in proper communication. We end up becoming a symbol of that peace as well, like we did for Eorzea, and also having to be the ones to defend it.

[@hasseo195]

Personaly, did i hope that whe will go back to be a more normal advanture to 7.0 in a new area. Where whe meet than new people. Practicly, like the start of ARR. The scions disbanded. It is ok, when they will show up as guest in future storys. But, they shouldnt be the main companions anymore. Most of them has new Jobs and things to do. It didnt feel right, if whe are again so long with them. To the other side, is it very important, what exactly is happening with the events of the World of darkness. And, to what it will lead us.

[@Zeithri]

You can't go back to what was. There's no more political stuff to do for a murderous rampaging Sellsword like the Warrior of Light. The Garlemand Empire is no more, and everything's been fixed and unified. At most, it'd be if Meracydia would prove to be extremely hostile but, that'd just mean more dragons and.. No.. I don't wanna fight more Dragons. I hated Heavensward.. Felt like it was dragging on forever.. I enjoyed Stormblood, but for some reason people apparently hated that expansion. Shadowbringers tricked me massively so I have a hate / like relationship to that, and Endwalker was great but very flawed ( _they never dare, to take the serious steps in the story_ ). Ultimately I wish they'd not bother with this story at all. This should had been a single player game, not an MMO. In short, all we have now is to keep shard-jumping to slay all Zodiark-variations on the other Moons ( _because trust me, while Zodiark was a big Zeromus reference, we will almost most certainly fight actual Zeromus on the 13th Shard_ ) or whatever, and in the end we will fulfill the Ascian's dream of a rejoining but in a peaceful way that doesn't kill people. That much, is guaranteed. Also.... I really really hated the Scions and I utterly loathed the start of ARR. I hope we do not go back to that time where it felt like we had rival Adventuring Groups that did the same " content " as us in a very weird meta-sense.

[@Xyrenos]

I loved doing the lvl 50 Chef quest after the poisoning event of ARR. It really made no sense at that point having Nanamo eat my cooking together with lolorito but it felt funny because of how pissed lolorito was about it. It was as if he had to wake her up preemptively to HW just to uphold some political sharade and then put her back to sleep again afterwards.

[@mayalewis2956]

my wol stood in the corner like :) "eat up"

[@_Yomoholo_]

tbh it seems that all quests take place within time bubbles for their respective expansion, hence why character's you meet later on don't recognize you when you go back and do older content, e.g. estinian in the lv 30-50 dragoon quest

[@chrisanderson7820]

I always thought they did a good job with that little bastard Yuyuhase, I was always hoping I'd have a chance to find him when the Scions weren't watching.

[@WyrmLimion]

Walk down an Ul'Dah alleyway and our paths cross. *clenches fists*

[@oszaszi]

I started doing all sorts of stories besides side story. So far the only story I never imagined to make me cry is the alchemist job quests... it was especially bad cause i just watched the video about the original story with the old accident in Uldah that was part of the original FF intro. Then there are some pretty neat side quests in ever region that are yellow quests with a bit of a plit, but one really needs to do a bunch of them before you can find the good ones.

[@WyrmLimion]

Alot of the gems of the story tend to be hidden away. But it's neat when you finally experience them.

[@eji]

5:30 - I feel like once we cured tempering, we kind of glossed over the fact that a LOT of people were needlessly killed because we developed the cure a little too late for them, had they not just been imprisoned for a while or something rather than being immediately killed. I'm sort of surprised some character never called out the guilt that someone who executed those people would probably feel for having done so.... can you imagine you execute a group of tempered citizens and literally the very next day an excited elezen kid approaches you saying "hey we can cure them now, where are they being held again...?"

[@SniperKing-O]

Lolorito was also our main antagonist in the ARR Culinarian questline. :3

[@WyrmLimion]

...Chefsbane.....*reeee* Someone commented it was funny seeing him after what happened in the MSQ. If it were me id be trying to grab every hot pan I could find!

[@SniperKing-O]

@@WyrmLimion I saw the same comment not long after I posted mine, lol! One of the few times the WoL should be granted to throttle an evil potato. xD

[@ccBAZZ]

Holy shit i was watching warhammer 40k lore vids and i suddenly appeared here You make amazing lore and as a warrior of light i must subscribe !

[@WyrmLimion]

Funny how 40K can link into anything :) Glad you enjoyed the video and lookout for my future ones :)

[@kaleajadesilver8918]

Teledji.... While he can be found in Palace of the Dead, I don't recall seeing him in the EW lvl 89 dungeon, perhaps after his butt was kicked in PotD he went to rest?? Either way I hope next time I do PotD I can encounter him and others and get hopefully screenshots. ( I know of someone who RPs him, they made a comic about him and how he survived by escaping from the Palace and such, pretty good. I've taken the HCs of them and added to my own. I like the idea he's just out there making a change for himself, similar to another who RPs Amon. =} )

[@WyrmLimion]

Ohhh. I sometimes see RP of characters that are alive but not that are gone. Sounds like someone I'd love to encounter someday, sounds like a fascinating RP subject.

[@kaleajadesilver8918]

@@WyrmLimion funny enough the two I know off are in the Crystal data center and have hung out before at like art parties and such. Now with data center travel I could actually visit their RP characters houses. I love looking at houses. It is interesting to see other players take interests in NPCs both big and small. =3

[@WyrmLimion]

@@kaleajadesilver8918 ​Sounds like the good venue for an event. You have me wondering now what the house of one of these RP players would look like. Teledji with mounds of gold? The one that jumps out of my memory was a player who role played as G'raha throughout HW. Wonder what happened him.

[@Nehfarius]

Knowing Teledji, your version of him might have looked into the Omega situation and realize the sheer size of the bullet he nearly shot all of Eorzea with.

[@FrozenSolid90]

On the Lambs of Dalamud, they're also in Tam-Tara Deepcroft (the level 16 dungeon). While they're a 1.x leftover, they did still have a presence in ARR but I don't think there's been anything with them since the release of ARR.

[@nepspartan-7597]

You encounter a former member in a post-raid quest after doing the 2nd Endwalker alliance raid

[@celticlord88]

I hope the last guy isn't dead. I need more allied beast quests

[@WyrmLimion]

Indeed, he was a very crafty guy. I kinda want him to show up with a new mask and a magitek leg :)

[@SniperKing-O]

Watch him come for the Lopporits next. xD

[@elvangulley3210]

@@WyrmLimion I don't remember facing him what quest is he in

[@WyrmLimion]

@@elvangulley3210 He features in the final quest chains for the Tribal questlines, after you max out your reputation with them and that quest appears. For Stormblood for example you need max reputation with Ananta, Kojin and Namazu for the question to unlock.

[@elvangulley3210]

@@WyrmLimion oh OK no wonder I never seen him I always stop at rank 6 for the battle tribes and I just started doing crafting and gathering this week

[@RichieRK7]

I've been replaying the game on an alt and I'm finding a lot more appreciation for the story and side characters that I had completely ignored or forgotten.

[@WyrmLimion]

Playing the MSQ again gives you a new perspective now that you don't have to focus on the main cast. So many nuggets to be found :)

[@MrSwaggington]

You can also mention Kageyama, as he is a real piece of work. From the whole take over of kugane castle, to the tax evasion of Uldah, extortion of innocents in the blue mage questline, him implied plans for the Namazu, and the united tribes quests. Like man, that guy is awful.

[@bakacdaz]

I hope we can see Laurentius again. I feel like he need 3rd chance. Unlike Yuyuhase he didn’t want to do that thing at the wall. I hope there are redemption arc for him.

[@WyrmLimion]

Its a story thread that I would love to have tied up. I know at least one Bar owner that would love to slap Laurentius around for messing things up again.

[@zenfrodo]

We get a bit more to the Lambs in 6.4, with the Algaia questlines. The WoL (along with Menphina in disguise) encounter one of the former Lambs near Harchefaunt's grave in Coerthas, and we learn just how reviled and fearful the former cultists have become.

[@WyrmLimion]

That scene was a welcome surprise to me. Hope he makes it.

[@MrPetpet111]

What it felt like having no allied tribal quests in Shadowbringers: What do you mean Nhaza'a Jaab doesn't get a counterpart while Rowena and Jerolt already got one?!

[@gateauxq4604]

Still a bit sad we didn’t get a Mhaza’a in ShB but he should be back soon. Im excited to see what he thinks he can do to the buns and bots. 😃

[@Nehfarius]

My guess is that the first's Nhaza'a Jaab pushed his luck and became a Sin Eater. Probably one we fought and killed.

[@Oliver_Nexus]

Nhaza'a Jaab is not dead. It takes two rocket launchers while drowning in lava to do that.

[@orly4672]

I hope we see Nhaza'a Jaab in the Endwalker Allied quests, where in the end, he gets stuck in space.

[@Nehfarius]

He'll find a way to come back. That man is almost as tenacious as we Warriors of Light are!

[@the_cyberchill]

nhaza'a jab's eyepeice bears a resemblence to a few other eyepecies ive seen in media, but it reminds me somewhat of the evil mirror universe double of Kiva's eyepeice from megas xlr

[@the_cyberchill]

I also assumed we'd of gotten his reflection as the antaongist of the allied tribal quests for shadowbringers instead that was entirely skipped, and the allied quests for endwalker did not include him, I hope that maybe some day square ads some form of allied tribal quest or method to show his counterpart with the mask on the other eye. and maybe he reappears in dawntrail.

[@the_cyberchill]

I really like your dancer glam, keeping your onion knight helmet, but still swearing dancer stuff, is the helmet all classes?

[@WyrmLimion]

The Onion Helm is all classes/jobs. I build all my glamours around it, and my ranged DPS glam is one of my favourites :)

[@TCMarik7]

Nehza didn't appear in the Endwalker Allied Tribal quests so I'm thinking he was truly killed in Stormblood.

[@general8250]

He gets mentioned in them actually! At the very end of the allied quest, it's mentioned that a strange catman tried to abduct a loporitt and was stopped by other tribe allies!

[@EmoEmu]

The iron mask floats...

[@celticlord88]

Lolorito isn't a true antagonist. He has helped the Sultana on numerous occasions

[@whisperingshadowXI]

I'd argue he's a great antagonist, always actively challenging the ideals of Nanamo, Raubahn and even the Scions. AKA antagonizing them. What he's not is a plainly evil villain. He is all about making a profit and views stability and status quo as better for profits. He can be reasoned with if you can prove to him that he stands to profit overall and for the long term.

[@kalandarkclaw8892]

The person narrating this a snake? Sssssss ssssss if something ends with an s you here an extended ssssssss

[@WyrmLimion]

Nope, just an Irishman with a speech impediment. Been working on it but for most progress takes years. Happy Christmas o/