What happened to the rest of the Frostpunk world?

What happened to the rest of the Frostpunk world? How realistic is this scenario and could anything close to this actually happen or is this just a creative narrative device? This episode builds on the concepts explored in part one; volcanic winters, albedo, the Ice Age, climate change and more in this episode of Ronin Speaks: Your tangential learning experience!
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[@Demicleas]

Id also like to mention it's been stated that the equator is quickly becoming overpopulated from people moving in from both the north and the south, So yeah.

[@James_Randal]

Well there'll be plenty of food then.

[@oberonpanopticon]

@@James_Randalthere’ll* wait… /s

[@youngmasterzhi]

4:17 The reason why a Frostpunk-universe Earth would have different snowfall patterns in the Northern and Southern hemisphere is due to the Earth's 23.5 degree tilt from the axis (meaning that if the Northern hemisphere tilts towards the sun, the Southern hemisphere would tilt away from the sun, and vice versa); this is the reason why seasons differ between both hemispheres on regular Earth Moreover, the Northern hemisphere had greater surface area of landmass covering the oceans than the Southern hemisphere, and since ocean water has a higher heat capacity than land terrain (and therefore warms up and cools down more slowly), this means that continents on the Northern hemisphere experiences a wider range of both hot and cold seasonal temperatures, while the Southern hemisphere smaller continents experience a relatively more mild and smaller range of monthly temperatures year-round. Thus, in a Frostpunk-themed apocalypse, the Northern hemisphere would experience a much colder winter yet a somewhat relatively warmer "summer" year-round than the Southern hemisphere. Since precipitation derives from the evaporation of water vapor in warmer areas and condensation within the colder atmosphere, it makes sense that the Northern hemisphere would experience more severe snowstorms and snowfall than the Southern hemisphere

[@JustSayingitslore]

Intresting concept

[@Skulldude-yj9kg]

I read some lore where the south is unaffected while the north is well frostpunk and thus nation could’t have the resources to survive as they migrated to the south and even the southern nation could not have the infastructure or resources to take refugee so is it basically like that, I also heard that the Great Storm came from the south so i think its either Europe or Indonesia which is Krakatoa that caused it And the reason why they go north is more resources such as coal to survive I might be wrong but please correct and share your thoughts or info about the world more

[@JustSayingitslore]

@@Skulldude-yj9kg your correct about the storm coming from the south however i have bad news for you. the strom killed anything down south too.

[@JustSayingitslore]

The story of Nansen may help with what your looking for. it covers the origins of the storm.

[@Skulldude-yj9kg]

@@JustSayingitslore ah damn well its good to let me know about the world of Frostpunk especially its theme about humanity surviving

[@purpledevilr7463]

I like to think that the golf stream stopped flowing to Europe. Thus the situation globally doesn’t need to be as horrifically bad to make sense.

[@Inucroft]

the storm at the end of the game, originates in the south and moved north *though* the tropical regions

[@shauntempley9757]

Yes. It seems like Antarctica sent out a huge massive polar blast that froze everything it touched. Heck, it can throw out cold weather that can kill anyone caught outside today, and that can happen any time of the year, even in the middle of summer. Polar blasts so bad that anyone from such places like Siberia and Norway hate them when they feel them. @@Inucroft

[@G60003]

Personal when I saw frostpunk 2 I had heavy thoughts into the sun dimming lore snippet as maybe coming back into play. Like the volcanos ash may have frozen the planet, or at least the northern half, but then the sun being less effective caused a feed back loop of never thawing But thats my take on the guessing

[@Inucroft]

The offical answers from the game Devs, February 2023: The Great Freeze affected the entire world kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3Wud6yGest8sLc and warm places were unable to cope as they had no adaption to the cold, and simply unable to support people. In game lore and pervious information from the Devs- the great Storm came from the southern hemisphere northwards, wiping out many who had fled to the tropics to flee from the frost. And the storm continued north which we encounter in game.

[@3rdtimesthecharm376]

So basically, all the 'savages' by 1800s standards died off? That means the World belongs to Britain! RULE BRITANNIA!

[@josephquinnswolin3500]

Kentucky would be in unchanged in frostpunk the weather because for some reason it decides its own weather.

[@NovaBugDrayosix]

This was very well made, well thought out, and informational :)

[@RoninFoxSpeaks]

I really appreciate that a lot of work go into these videos

[@gkagara]

Only tiny part of equator are habitable in the lore, that is why there is generator city even that part of equator now have 4 season. I think it's mentioned somewhere that event in frostpunk is because polar shift.

[@vaclavnovacek1035]

In the main scenario of the game if you visit one of the observation posts it is mentioned that the cold is not due to vulcanic ashes but dimming of the sun

[@RoninFoxSpeaks]

The official explanation is that no one really knows the cause and various event logs say conflicting theories. The simplest explanation is that the atmosphere is too fouled up to get accurate measurements

[@yourfriend8052]

The sun just doesn’t dim, that’s not how the sun works. Volcanic ash in the upper atmosphere would make everything darker though, and it could appear LIKE the sun is dimming.

[@Inucroft]

@@yourfriend8052 I mean, the Sun does actually get dimmer and brighter in a cosmological cycle. But not the extent that can cause what is seen in game. It is likely that A) It's a combination of factors B) The studio doesn't care and the sun dimmed far more than normal

[@MagiconIce]

@@Inucroft It's also to be taken in as a factor, that 19th century humans obviously knew less about the universe, stellar bodies and such than modern day 21st century humans (and probably some day 23rd century humans will say the same about us), so what sounds like nonsense to us may sound perfectly reasonable to a 19th century human, since they don't have that knowledge yet and do speculate on causes, like humans typically do.

[@TheDizzieC]

Consider this: The leaders and elites of the world knew. They created the storm, to appease some Malthusian ideal of stopping overpopulation by creating the perfect situation for Darwinian Evolution to speed.humans to their best and remove all the "useless eaters".

[@zico739]

Important to remember that the Northern Hemisphere includes half of Africa and most of Asia.

[@yucol5661]

It must be awful. Africa would be colonized harder. In India people would try to flee south, but get cramped as the peninsula gets thinner and thinner. And the refugees from China would probably try to go to the equatorial South East Asia. But thats where the volcanoes erupted, so who knows how destroyed those areas are. Starvation, colapse, and unpreparedness for the cold everywhere. Who knows if even tropical islands or FISH would survive with all the vegetation dead. And even if humanity survives there, that’s not what the game cares about, the goal is to keep society and complex structures.

[@marcelgrabowski5939]

Frost being triggered by two supervolcanos eruptions and sun periodically dimming, then persisting because of albedo is a really good explanation to how Frostpunk can be still so frosty for decades, centuries even. Like, to the point that only geoforming solutions employed in far future of the verse could possibly change it within sensible timeframe. Huh, Frostpunk space program. Now that sounds interesting.

[@AndroidSamsung-qz9pl]

*The rest? IIt's now called Gates Family Farmville Hell.*

[@hellsonion514]

"The sun is dimming" i think one of the scientist journals say.

[@w4rd3n14]

From the Makers of Frostpunk : Dessert Punk.

[@NCRVeteranRanger]

That would be so awesome! I absolutely love those old classic post-apocalyptic games where its a barren desert-like wasteland instead of an overgrown forest-like wasteland.

[@Lopa_Hola]

ahhh, good anime

[@Trakesh]

Sounds interesting. But why a cooking game?

[@nolanjdon3514]

Personally my head cannon has it that some large extraterrestrial object like a rogue planet or something traveled a little too close to earth causing our orbit to elongate slightly. This is why it was a gradual fall over a couple seasons rather than a direct boom so to say. It would also explain why conditions are still shit 30 years later which you wouldn’t expect from a volcanic winter alone or a solar minimum.

[@RoninFoxSpeaks]

I really want to cover a bunch of wacky theories during the "sun dimming" video because there's no "realistic" explanation for it but there are a bunch of different ones that would cause the same effect, plus the lore is really sparse when it comes to the sun other than one or two entries

[@poppy63765]

​​@@RoninFoxSpeaksDoesn't the observatory directly say that the sun was dimming?

[@Nick-bk7es]

I'm curious to see whether or not in Frostpunk 2 one of the endings is that the world eventually recovers and civilization can go back to normal. Looking at how it is in the current setting life absolutely sucks, Humanity is on it's knee's fighting for survival every second as the cold gets even more colder and the storms come even closer. It makes sense in this timeline cause of how unprepared they are for this event, but in a modern setting It would be obvious that Modern Humans could survive this better than they did.

[@Keandros]

I recently started playing Frostpunk again, this time on Xbox. I have it on PC as well, with most of the achievements done except for some of the extreme and survivor modes. I love this game and 11bit studios! I'm eagerly awaiting the sequel. Excellent video and good breakdown. I've subscribed, and I'm looking forward to seeing more of your content.

[@RoninFoxSpeaks]

Same man I'm legitimately hyped for Frostpunk 2. It was fun to get back into the game again for the video but it just needs more to do. Definitely glad to have you here I plan to do similar videos for different games and also thinking of more Frostpunk related ones as well

[@Keandros]

@Ronin Fox Speaks I'd be happy to see videos about other games. Something to look into specifically about Frostpunk would be the lore from the Archives and the scouting locations of different scenarios. There are hints about the sun dimming and magnetic fields of Earth changing. On top of the natural cooling from volcanic winters, that might be Frostpunk's in universe explanation for the cold. I hadn't thought about the fact that generators being so far north would also add to the cold. It might be possible to estimate the location of New London based on the shadow of the generator each day, angle in relation to the height of it, and the sun going across. I'll be checking out your past videos as well.

[@RoninFoxSpeaks]

@@Keandros I thought about using the achieve entry where they were told to censor scientists talking about a doomsday weapon but didn't know where to fit it in; I think it could be a cool theory video. You literally called one of my ideas. I was also wondering where exactly the generators could be. I was basing it in Northern Canada since it would be isolated, boreal and have the coal and oil deposits. Also the ice caps expanding would also explain why there are ships under the dreadnaught in the intro. I was also thinking of one theorizing about the surviving in the other colonies like India would be pretty screwed due to the famine but Australia would probably be least affected by the cold, and unexplored is fairly resource rich and would be isolated in the 1880s. But I'd think they'd be pretty rocked if a couple cataclysmic eruptions occurred in Indonesia. So a Frostpunk story set in Australia with the penal colonies and stuff would be pretty cool

[@meili4790]

I have wanted someone to answer this question for ages! Thank you :D

[@RoninFoxSpeaks]

Thanks I appreciate that I've been sitting on this video topic since 2018 lol

[@meili4790]

@@RoninFoxSpeaks good that you got it out then ^^ all sorts of people have great ideas and never end up acting on them for any number of reasons

[@RoninFoxSpeaks]

@@meili4790 preach it! I feel this on a visceral level

[@meili4790]

@@RoninFoxSpeaks yeah! It's never too late even if it feels like it

[@intuendaecivilization9365]

Nice. This whole comment section is inspirational. :D

[@brokehandstudiosgaming7161]

So from my looking into feedback loops people always seem to overly estimate its ability. Climate has so many variables that one could say the butterfly affect summery could be spot on. Generally speaking you would need something more than the Albedo effect to keep such a cold climate. You would need massive cloud coverage over much of the earth and/or the sun to be producing less energy towards the earth. Then the question arises how did the climate dip so quickly? I've seen them mention a sudden dip in CO2 levels which would not cause this freezing nor does that make sense given mass volcanic eruptions. Also if CO2 drops below 150ppm you got other worries than temperature because all the trees and growing crops are going to die from lack of CO2. The feedback effect of CO2 has been grossly overblown and that is looking at the physics of how it emit inferred wavelength. (Dr. William Harper goes over that very well.) So the best idea is massive eruptions on the level of several yellow stones erupting all at once mixed with a dimming of solar activity which would cause more cloud coverage causing a rapid and sustained ice age. Anyways, throwing that all aside I would like to think that your equator areas would be cooler but not catastrophic cold that way the world can rebound a bit. However human population would be nearly killed off however life would be able to bounce back. If its the snow ball earth well, there goes your oxygen production as sea ice would prevent Algae from enough sunlight to produce O2 levels needed. I would assume nations used to the deep cold with access to steam cores would've survived.

[@latewizard301]

I still find it funny though, because people have obviously manged to survive in siberia and northern norway for centuries, before industrial revolution was a thing.

[@PineappleDealer37]

I always thought the rest of the earth is cold, but not horribly cold. Like the areas near tropics are still decently warm and livably, maybe with harsh winters and cold summers -I just really want it to fit my "Spanish canary islands geothermal generator" fanfiction-

[@natto4now]

I swear that in in game they mention something about tesla having something to do with the frost

[@pringle239]

Feels like the situation might be a snowball earth because the game hits -140 celcius and tbry wouldnt have built the generators if they were could just move everybody south.

[@edwardkenway148]

Scenario 5: The Sun vanished: We are fucked.

[@RoninFoxSpeaks]

That would be the case but its disproven by the fact there is a day/night cycle; The Sun is still there

[@bloodhound1182]

I can't wait for Frostpunk 2. I wonder how the gameplay will be now that you're not necessarily focused on building your city, but MAINTINING its survival

[@gracefulcubix4730]

anyone who has collected relics in endless mode would find out why the frost happened.

[@OctavKitty]

God you're right. I should have read them earlier. Oh, the ones who used it... this is the biggest fuck-up a man could ever do.

[@nopda4095]

why what did you find out ?

[@ethanmoritz5242]

Nice video mate

[@RoninFoxSpeaks]

Thanks for the support

[@Peter2k84]

There was some actually interesting research done on the effect (glaciation and ice age) if the Earth would not have the tilt it does. Would have to look up the video, but essentially,...., the more snow, the higher the reflection of sunlight back into space, driving more cold weather. Driving more snow -> more glaciation downards geographically. Also the Snow would insulate the ice beneath, making melting near impossible. Basically a runaway effect of more snow -> more reflecting light back into space -> more cold -> more snow. But even then the region around the equator should be fine, not warm, but kinda temperate. As there is also some points in the lore of Frostpunk itself, originally the plan was to move the populace to the Equatorial Regions. In the Lore the crops there failed, but it would stand to reason there should still be a region being able to produce crops. Even if most humans there would perish due to infighting, there is more than likely some left of humanity there. That said, research seems to fully support that once the world has frozen over so much, it stays that way for eons due to the simple fact that a white surface reflects light back into space so much easier -> more white -> more cold. Ice ages took very long times to correct themselves. Hardly something that would clear up in a few decades, so there is very much a natural reason why it would still be harsh 3 decades later in the world of Frostpunk.

[@RoninFoxSpeaks]

That's a huge conclusion I found trying to do the "Sun Dimming" video; Its extremely easy to increase the Earth's albedo and reflect more than 2x the sun light as now, compared to the sun dimming by half For example the Earth currently reflects about 30% which is mostly due to clouds and snow which have an albedo >80%

[@JustSayingitslore]

Well done I approve

[@bookle5829]

There's a lore dump in the loading screen. The frost came from the south. Plus the Sun is dimming. So everywhere on Earth should be getting colder.

[@OctavKitty]

I do think that the sun "dimming" is just an impression. The sun looks as if it's dimming when gases in the atmosphere change, for instance, because of a volcanic eruption.

[@Palmerrip]

I thought the extreme change was from a solar change that had the sun wasn't outputting enough energy to sustain life.

[@RoninFoxSpeaks]

The short answer is that in lore, no one actually knows everyone has different theories so event texts shouldn't be taken at face value. I had to cut out a bunch of different climate theories for the Frostpunk world for this video so I focused on volcanic winters because that was what partially inspired the game and was the most realistic scenario. Basically there isn't any other way for solar output to drop that quickly realistically; stars get hotter as they age not colder and there isn't a realistic way for the Earth to drift far enough away from the sun in such short time period

[@ssssss7532]

I think in lore they said that it was the sun dimming (which cossed a shord ice age in real life) with the vulcanick eruption which caused a storm to form in the south while then lead to escape to the north

[@c4tal1na63]

@@ssssss7532 if send a scout team to the observatory you get a dialogue about the sun dimming.

[@Projekt_Nightmare]

with in the lore is stated that the sun's fading that being told to use from some place i forgot where

[@keeperofnecronomicon]

Isn’t said the ice storms came from the south implying it’s even colder there:

[@RoninFoxSpeaks]

Not necessarily, the game says that storms are caused by atmospheric instability and are blasting cold air from the upper atmosphere kind of like the eye of the storm in "The Day After Tomorrow" or the polar vortex IRL just highly exaggerated because its fiction

[@tlpineapple1]

​@@RoninFoxSpeaksAnother youtuber, it was either Simon Clark or Forrest did a "review" on The Day After Tomorrow and essentially described why this would be impossible. Basically, the upper atmosphere, while colder, would be significantly hotter if brought down to sea level. Essentially, in order to move that air down to the surface, work has to be done on it, both to move and pressurize it. This will cause that air to heat up, similar to what happens inside a diesel engine. If i remember the video correctly, if the air from the stratosphere were to be brought down to earth in either manner, the air would be so hot it would be closer to melting steal then it would be to freezing it.

[@RoninFoxSpeaks]

@@tlpineapple1 Honestly science fiction has way too much made up stuff to have an actual scientifically accurate way to explain it but its still fun to talk about But yeah kind of like an AC system, the air cools because its very low pressure and if it were compressed it would heat up. I think in my storm video, one of my explanations was that the volcanic winter caused heating in the upper atmosphere while reducing solar insolation in the troposphere thus causing cooling and dropping sea level pressure slightly which 'could' cause the altitude of the tropopause to drop; sure a bit of a reach but it makes more sense than the equator somehow being colder than the poles

[@Twasforthevine]

I think that a lot more people are fine in this universe than one might think at least among the great powers. I think it is likely that at the very least that a lot of peoples survive it by simply migrating to warmer colonies . Such as australia, south africa or south american countries. Hell even some governments could survive Italy Spain and portugal would probably just need to go a bit further south and France would probably just evacuate large portions of their population to Algeria which was already settlzd at the time. All of these migrations woulf of course cause trouble and countries could be plunged into chaos from this (the ottomans having literal millions of russians fleeing south) and a lot of people simply won't make it to their destination dying in their travel but i think that humanity and even some european and north american countries would survive.

[@RoninFoxSpeaks]

Lmao dude I just read your name

[@orhanefeunal1811]

taht means only one think we need frostpunk that is turkish as possible it take place like turkey or people coming from turkey

[@Marcus001]

Gib more frospunk

[@steveaustin4118]

I think if there was a warm safe place in the world governments in the cold areas would of already gone there and all that would be left in the death zones would be the poor unwashed and unwanted

[@yucol5661]

The game says the ignored it and where in denial. And why should they go to a cramped refugee camp of a colony when they could go to a glorious elite-only new enterprise or stay in London and demand for everything to stay as it is. Also the snow storm affected those areas too. At least the generators where ready for the cold, but would a remaining warm area survive a snow storm?

[@guypo1930]

The Game Theorists but for girl

[@ckaldariaq5904]

god, youtube, video talking about a video game and you gotta slap it with a climate change label, wtf are we doing hear.

[@Srakch]

Climate change is used to define shifts in our planet's patterns of weather. The eruption of Krakatoa causing the areas affected in Frostpunk to undergo a mini ice age, counts as climate change. Please take a break from the politics you watch, it's turning you irate and arrogant.