What Happens if the U.S. Cuts Ties With China?

@antonywooster6783 Жыл бұрын

5:14 I seem to remember that during a famine in China, in the '60s, the US prevented other western countries from selling wheat to China.

@johnnyw6467 Жыл бұрын

And fertilizer which crucial to agriculture without it, they cannot grow which contribute to famine as well

@tommckellen4289 Жыл бұрын

The problem is that 99 percent of commentators have no experience with China relations (and yes, I am an exception to this rule having been involved with China in some degree for well over a decade) so they look at things through a simplistic prism. Yes, as someone bought up the Western way, I feel this pull (what was supposed to happen) of China moving towards becoming more and more 'normal' as is the usage of the term in this clip. However, if we are intellectually honest, there is nothing 'normal' about the Western system at present. In fact, if you really want to be honest about it, there is nothing particularly normal about dividing your psychic life up like a football team where that 'leftie' side of you wears a cardigan and worries about people and thinks we should look out for each other more and think of ourselves as a community and that 'rightie' part of you has essential ambition, drive, imagination and so on (that's assuming that 1 percent of people even get this far in their intellectual life, which they don't) And guess what? In China they don't need to fracture their intellectual life so much in this way. Guess what, they don't want to and it feels good! Guess what, it it is also not extremely intelligent to constantly do this fracturing. 'Fuzzy logic' is one of these known concepts to come out of China (in the guise of Taoism). Yet, fuzzy logic is actually quite a natural phenomena for humans who are seeking something useful within their minds. Of course, I don't want to oversimplify Chinese culture. The Chinese also have the more deontological Confucianism, which APPEARS totalitarian, to Westerners, but actually it can just be a way of assigning people a certain degree of respect (assuming they don't screw you over, in which case even Confucius says you can throw a hissy fit). This also doesn't mean Confucianism can't be overly hierarchical. These things are not zero sum and even Chinese must keep an eye on this. I don't blame Peterson for not knowing every minute of of detail about every culture, who does? In fact his response here was very erudite. I would also state that Peter'son is the sort of guy who they would assign a lot of face, or respect, to in China and he would find it extremely refreshing compared to woke, Western culture. That doesn't mean that there aren't tons of issues; diplomatic, fiscal and otherwise between China and the West, especially as China is experimenting with this Lenninist route under Xi. As someone, to reiterate, with knowledge in this field, I could tell you, even now, the smooth and easy way to rebalance the various 'imbalances' between the West and China. First off though, as with dealing with woke culture, you must realize that its not about everything being unfair and impossible to deal with. China is an old society with its own logic, compelling drive to get things done and working methodolgy. It does deserve the baseline of respect, often not assigned to it be singular minded Westerners. Once you grasp the above there are many more elements to understand, which I will explain on another video, as time is short now, regarding how to 'rebalance' things. To somewhat reiterate, though, there is 'relative perspective' in many life areas and global issues. One cultures strength is another's weakness, and vice versa and this takes intelligence to grasp. It is also one of the keys to dialogue and, yes, sometimes to get people to come together in universal thought and expression. Even the two hemispheres of our brain have different modus operandis, yet both are respect worthy. Why do you think world cultures would be any different?

@antonywooster6783 Жыл бұрын

@@tommckellen4289 Another thing that people forget when they compare Hitler, Stalin and Mao, is that while Hitler and Stalin sent a lot of people to their deaths deliberately, Mao caused huge problems in the Chinese economy as a result of being fed "optimistic" results of harvest by officials who were afraid to ad mit that the harvests in their areas of responsibility had been poor. Also, as I mentioned, the Western powers, led by the US tried to make the "Famine" worse than it already was by banning grain exports to China. I really think that anyone that wants to pontificate on China today, needs to at least read the books by Edgar Snow, Anna Louise Strong and Rewi Alley, about life in the Communist controlled areas of pre-PRC China. The foundations of much of what happens in contemporary China, were laid in the '30s and '40s of the last century. A lot of people talk as though China started in 1971!

@antonywooster6783 Жыл бұрын

Oh yes. I forgot to add that one can see that Mao was not a "blood-thirsty homicidal maniac" by the fact that, for instance, Chiang Kai-shek had Mao's wife and child executed for being his wife and his child and later, Mao prevented Chiang's own troops from killing him, because he thought that China needed Chiang alive. As to Mao "causing famines": since 1949 China has had one episode of food shortage, which the West insists was a famine, while in the first half of the 20th century there was a famine in one part or another of China, every other year.

@selohcin Жыл бұрын

Right, because you don't give handouts to murderous regime that kill millions of people over political disagreements. Withholding aid was the correct course of action.

@mitchgingras3899 Жыл бұрын

Jordan, if US thinks China is competing unfairly, there's nothing outrageous about closing trade with them instead of waste so much effort in trying to change governments. Ask ourselves 'Why?'

@tommckellen4289 Жыл бұрын

The problem is that 99 percent of commentators have no experience with China relations (and yes, I am an exception to this rule having been involved with China in some degree for well over a decade) so they look at things through a simplistic prism. Yes, as someone bought up the Western way, I feel this pull (what was supposed to happen) of China moving towards becoming more and more 'normal' as is the usage of the term in this clip. However, if we are intellectually honest, there is nothing 'normal' about the Western system at present. In fact, if you really want to be honest about it, there is nothing particularly normal about dividing your psychic life up like a football team where that 'leftie' side of you wears a cardigan and worries about people and thinks we should look out for each other more and think of ourselves as a community and that 'rightie' part of you has essential ambition, drive, imagination and so on (that's assuming that 1 percent of people even get this far in their intellectual life, which they don't) And guess what? In China they don't need to fracture their intellectual life so much in this way. Guess what, they don't want to and it feels good! Guess what, it it is also not extremely intelligent to constantly do this fracturing. 'Fuzzy logic' is one of these known concepts to come out of China (in the guise of Taoism). Yet, fuzzy logic is actually quite a natural phenomena for humans who are seeking something useful within their minds. Of course, I don't want to oversimplify Chinese culture. The Chinese also have the more deontological Confucianism, which APPEARS totalitarian, to Westerners, but actually it can just be a way of assigning people a certain degree of respect (assuming they don't screw you over, in which case even Confucius says you can throw a hissy fit). This also doesn't mean Confucianism can't be overly hierarchical. These things are not zero sum and even Chinese must keep an eye on this. I don't blame Peterson for not knowing every minute of of detail about every culture, who does? In fact his response here was very erudite. I would also state that Peter'son is the sort of guy who they would assign a lot of face, or respect, to in China and he would find it extremely refreshing compared to woke, Western culture. That doesn't mean that there aren't tons of issues; diplomatic, fiscal and otherwise between China and the West, especially as China is experimenting with this Lenninist route under Xi. As someone, to reiterate, with knowledge in this field, I could tell you, even now, the smooth and easy way to rebalance the various 'imbalances' between the West and China. First off though, as with dealing with woke culture, you must realize that its not about everything being unfair and impossible to deal with. China is an old society with its own logic, compelling drive to get things done and working methodolgy. It does deserve the baseline of respect, often not assigned to it be singular minded Westerners. Once you grasp the above there are many more elements to understand, which I will explain on another video, as time is short now, regarding how to 'rebalance' things. To somewhat reiterate, though, there is 'relative perspective' in many life areas and global issues. One cultures strength is another's weakness, and vice versa and this takes intelligence to grasp. It is also one of the keys to dialogue and, yes, sometimes to get people to come together in universal thought and expression. Even the two hemispheres of our brain have different modus operandis, yet both are respect worthy. Why do you think world cultures would be any different?

@dreamarcher4018 Жыл бұрын

@@tommckellen4289 Fuzzy logic sounds like political medication to me!! I’ll have none it.. if YOU like it go and live there under Xi yourself. I think you caught their political virus! And it mutated your own logic.

@grievousrationality4664 Жыл бұрын

Because Government will is different from corporate or private will, America was built on capitalism. China is irreplaceable, its not just about population and cheap labor, its about the whole package china offers from supply chain, skilled labour, huge market and infrastructure etc. It’s too costly to even partially replace China, thats why Private corporates or even pubic corporates don’t “stop business” with china, because you can’t, full stop.

@hoonai Жыл бұрын

So is USA!

@hoonai Жыл бұрын

The west promotes democracy. How come the western governments are like that!

@Modus07 Жыл бұрын

Can we have someone that has more than a high school level understanding of China?

@rascalhusky8129 Жыл бұрын

Stupid comment.

@vplan Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@chrislin2774 Жыл бұрын

Who would you recommend? Someone who has a more Western bias or a China apologist?

@mypointofview1111 Жыл бұрын

@@chrislin2774 No, just someone who doesn't regurgitate US government foreign policy

@ericreed4535 Жыл бұрын

When you can't attack the facts, attack the presenter of the facts. 🥱

@leo29136 Жыл бұрын

Remember. No matter what. Just blame China

@letmebereal 5 ай бұрын

Roger.

@mitchellbaker4806 Жыл бұрын

Jordan needs to speak to Kishore Mahbubani for a contrarian perspective on China. Hawkishness is the new normal.

@Madzguy007 Жыл бұрын

Kishore Ambani is amazing

@user-if1vh8po2f Жыл бұрын

@Madzguy007 You mean Kishore Mahbubani ?!

@mehlalengkomane4454 Жыл бұрын

This argument is floored. It looks at things from a western perspective and on a level of privilege. The west has somewhat been good but western capitalism is not good for the world. The amount of money America spent on the war on terror could have been used to build their country to address the housing issue, and health care education just to list a few. The money America spends on the military would have built the world three times over. The war on terror would be nothing because people and boys would have meaning in their lives. They would've been educated and have something to live for and America would not have to worry about immigrants. You look at western countries now, crime is on the rise because poverty is on the rise. It is easy to recruit a frustrated boy. This is true for most people who are radicalised they lack purpose and meaning. You once said boys need to get a load to pick it up. This is the point that if the west took a more social approach to things and helps China in the development of the world, it will not be left out. The global south will move more and more away from the west and the risk of war and confrontation will increase.

@kevinvandeun8295 Жыл бұрын

This is a great conversation between two well known intellectuals. It's refreshing to see something other than gender inequality/equality, feminism, racism, and or the pay gap. Listening to this, where both parties agree and disagree on the same subject makes for awesome listening.

@ameyapotdar461 Жыл бұрын

a converssation between two people who lack any knwoledge about china

@leoxd7029 Жыл бұрын

@@ameyapotdar461 they are actually both correct. You’re the one lacking.

@ameyapotdar461 Жыл бұрын

@@leoxd7029 nah they are both pretty wrong about china and have the same idiotic idea that china is some kind of totalitarian regime I suggest you learn about china instead of blindly going along with what Peterson says considering Peterson knows jackshit about china

@sniperactive1965 Жыл бұрын

It is truly a sad state of affairs that you are correct.

@clancyhughes Жыл бұрын

Intuitively one would think cheaper Chinese goods an economic benefit. In reality the loss of economic velocity and productivity far outweighs the benefits of cheap products. (Read Globalization or Democracy)

@magicsmurfy Жыл бұрын

My company in China does not have a company sec in it. So I think your understanding is not correct. My company is a 100% civilian-owned company. What u r talking about is SOE, Stat-Owned-Enterprise. It’s a bit like the Postal Office, you have appointment from party whose holding power in the congress or white house or whatever. Private companies remains as private, no CCP members in our Board.

@redtobertshateshandles Жыл бұрын

My mate visited Hong Kong and bought me Maos little red book as a joke. I read most of it. Control is the theme of that book.

@nicolaszambrano6442 Жыл бұрын

No shet Sherlock

@redtobertshateshandles Жыл бұрын

@Nicolas Zambrano did you like your own comment mate??

@Madzguy007 Жыл бұрын

Control just like big tech controls us?

@sanasama2209 Жыл бұрын

No doubt regarding that. A typical wumao😅

@redtobertshateshandles Жыл бұрын

@@Madzguy007 I'm old. I don't even know what small tech is.

@enochbrown8178 Жыл бұрын

It is a rarity in human history that such a man like Jordan Peterson shows up among us. I thank God that I'm alive to see and hear this man.

@tiefblau2780 Жыл бұрын

Well only time will tell who will be next thx to ppl like Jordan and Sam

@clarkwatson3217 Жыл бұрын

@@tiefblau2780 sam the atheist ??? Hahahahahahahahahahha what a mediocre man

@baddog6003 Жыл бұрын

Give me a break...

@meganturner1456 Жыл бұрын

Me too!

@FedeArgentina Жыл бұрын

Same here... I'm not religious (or were). I got and always had a good life - kinda -. Everyone got problems, of course On social... Got some friends, a very good friend. A girlfriend that I love, now for about 15 years Health... Always Ok, had an almost dead fall from a bridge, but I'm ok now with a titanium plate on my skull, Anyway... He is one of my heroes, a person I admire, a person I would like everyone to know. A guy who improved my life in all aspects of it. He is one of the best people I have witnessed and followed and tried to learn more and more in the last 6-7 years. He neutralizes my pessimism regarding the problems of humanity for the following generations. I live in Argentina, I have never set foot in the United States or Canada, but I would save money for the trip if I could know that I could only shake his hand.

@nkelleher2249 Жыл бұрын

I find it hilarious that Americans surrounded China with many nuclear weapons permanently pointed at them with a men standing over the trigger and then question why they won't behave in a more open way.

@vplan Жыл бұрын

And now America is playing victim…. JP has gotten over his head, he should stick with helping people not discussing things he apparently doesn’t understand or lies about

@justinkassinger8238 Жыл бұрын

Then leave. And if your not American, shut and sit down like the rest of the countries in the world

@ericreed4535 Жыл бұрын

🥱 Exaggerate the positives of your team and doing the same with the negatives of your opponent is intellectually dishonest and full of cognitive bias. Embarrasing for you both.

@elmjojokes7782 Жыл бұрын

Who in eastern Asia has nukes? Lmfao Japan? Nope Taiwan? Nope Did the US put the Soviet union / Russia above china? South Korea? Nope Shut up Chinese bot

@balasaashti3146 Жыл бұрын

My great uncle escaped China during the great leap forward he would have rather had America not stop at the border during the Korean war and just kept marching north.

@RaymondCore Жыл бұрын

"What Happens if the U.S. Cuts Ties With China?" I didn't get an answer to that question from this video. I got a history lesson that I already knew instead. Could you please retitle this video to, "General history of opening trade with China"?

@hughmungus2760 Жыл бұрын

peterson does a great job of talking alot while saying relatively little.

@richardscathouse Жыл бұрын

America won't have China to to blame. They'll have to kill each other.

@jennm9442 Жыл бұрын

It didn’t seem to address the question posted in the title

@milomilo417 Жыл бұрын

Listening to these kinds of simplistic viewpoints makes one realize we're really in an interesting recurring part of history: the decline of an empire & the rise of the next one. Kinda sad actually, but if you see the foolish actions of desperate American leaders who are in denial, creating wars everywhere hoping to stem the inevitable tide of history...frankly in a way, it has become a comedy hahaha

@istvantoth7431 Жыл бұрын

Does anyone know what watch Jordan was wearing?

@SailorGreenTea Жыл бұрын

0:26, what does that phrase mean?

@socialite1283 Жыл бұрын

The big deal with China was that it was a low wage country. Businessmen in the USA and other western countries chose to take advantage of China, and other low wage countries, to reduce manufacturing costs and make more profits. That a country like China is progressing towards improving wages and becoming more equal on the international stage is a good thing. Countries like China have for their entire history been lead by strong rulers/emperors. That China has developed a more centrist approach to its economy is a good thing, and is naturally a threat to USA businesses. But that is an opportunity for USA businesses to innovate and employ USians instead of being bottom-feeder low wage businesses.

@vplan Жыл бұрын

And big deal with America, being greedy and blaming everyone..

@crytow5071 Жыл бұрын

@@vplan Please blame only those capitalist and our corrupted politicians. No blanket accusations of our entire country please. We're just trying to get by. Can't help it that our entire government are captured.

@justfitz08 Жыл бұрын

China welcomed those dealings with the US. They served to benefit a great deal. It was a two way street. But now, the CCP has leveraged that growth for evil. China isn't benevolent and they aren't victims. If WW3 breaks out, it will likely be because of China, not the US.

@socialite1283 Жыл бұрын

@@justfitz08 I don't have a problem with that. You seem to think that the USA is benevolent. It isn't.

@justfitz08 Жыл бұрын

@@socialite1283 Compared to China they're practically Mother Teresa.

@sinologika Жыл бұрын

I have a lot of respect for JP but this shallow dip to geopolitics & China is disappointing.

@OmegaIL Жыл бұрын

I pray he returns to psychology and philosophy.

@ObeyNoLies Жыл бұрын

He really does not understand geopolitics and strategy very well does he? No one's perfect I guess.

@crytow5071 Жыл бұрын

Or is he paid to do propaganda?

@OmegaIL Жыл бұрын

@@crytow5071 I hope it is not the case. I've had enough "shattering of an idol" moments already. This isn't how he lives.

@crytow5071 Жыл бұрын

I hate to loose my respect for him if he is using his fame and credential for money on something that is not his field of expertise. There is a $500 bill passed by the house that the media can get money for any negative coverage of China on anything. S.429 - Countering Chinese Propaganda Act 117th Congress (2021-2022), Sponsor: Sen. Cotton, Tom (Introduced 02/24/2021)

@OmegaIL Жыл бұрын

@@crytow5071 Hells. Sigh. Sounds about right, though.

@aldovaneyk Жыл бұрын

Anyone know what kind of watch Dr. Peterson wears?

@charlt7670 Жыл бұрын

It's a Canadian brand, Dollarama.

@Way827 Жыл бұрын

North America and Europe represent about 12% of the world's population. Latin America, Africa and most of Asia are quite happy to trade with China. If the "west" wishes to isolate itself that's up to the west. All I see coming from the US is sanctioning, threat of war etc. I don't see China as a threat to world peace. I've lived there for years and found REAL China to be a very safe, friendly and free society to live in. These two intellectuals have less actual real life experience within China than myself. However they get to talk as if they are experts. Time will tell, but I really think that the west hasn't much positive to offer anymore.

@Thomasinas Жыл бұрын

Jordan: It's getting a bit much. I think you are starting to stray outside your sphere of knowledge. Please interview Alexander Mercouris for another sophisticated take on what's going on.

@artugert Жыл бұрын

What problem did you have with what he said?

@stephen_mcateer Жыл бұрын

Good production quality here as usual. (I'm wondering if Jordan Peterson sends a film crew to the house of his interviewees?)

@amazingjason455 Жыл бұрын

Yes, and Daily Wire also sends a crew to record the person he interviews, wherever he or she is.

@jimeverden2244 Жыл бұрын

Daily Wire looks after it all. His daughter, Mikayla (spelling) did a vid on it not too long ago.

@TrveLatinCel Жыл бұрын

@@jimeverden2244 yep in response to the crowder stuff

@jimeverden2244 Жыл бұрын

@@TrveLatinCel Steven Crowder? I don't understand what you're trying to say.

@stephen_mcateer Жыл бұрын

@@jimeverden2244 Thanks Jim.

@MrChange28 Жыл бұрын

These two personalities are regarded as "intellectuals"? I am shocked at how standards have fallen in the West.

@artugert Жыл бұрын

What problem did you have with what they said?

@MrChange28 Жыл бұрын

@@artugert First, they should ask if the western model of governance is suitable for China instead of blabbering on about how China should move towards the western model. Second, what is wrong with control? Governing a country properly requires control. Loss of control means corrective measures have to be implemented to correct the deviations. Control means predictive management of problems. Are you going to navigate a huge container ship without control on the open seas? These are two blind men describing how a huge country like China should be managed with neither man ever having managed so much as a small county in their countries.

@artugert Жыл бұрын

@@MrChange28 Watch the full two hour video if you actually care to understand their view. I have no idea where you extrapolated your ideas from this clip, as they didn't talk about those things at all.

@MrChange28 Жыл бұрын

@@artugert What is presented is a short clip. At best it is a misrepresentation. Asking me to watch the full 2 hour video makes no difference to the message. It is a misrepresentation. I am not communist nor do I owe any loyalty to China. My comments remain the same.

@artugert Жыл бұрын

@@MrChange28 Again, the previous comment you made has absolutely nothing to do with this video at all. None of the things you said are addressed here. They didn't say a single word about how they think China ought to be governed. The answers to all the questions you asked, such as what is wrong with control, are all answered in the full interview.

@warrenbrewin950 Жыл бұрын

Enjoyed both perspectives.

@tommckellen4289 Жыл бұрын

The problem is that 99 percent of commentators have no experience with China relations (and yes, I am an exception to this rule having been involved with China in some degree for well over a decade) so they look at things through a simplistic prism. Yes, as someone bought up the Western way, I feel this pull (what was supposed to happen) of China moving towards becoming more and more 'normal' as is the usage of the term in this clip. However, if we are intellectually honest, there is nothing 'normal' about the Western system at present. In fact, if you really want to be honest about it, there is nothing particularly normal about dividing your psychic life up like a football team where that 'leftie' side of you wears a cardigan and worries about people and thinks we should look out for each other more and think of ourselves as a community and that 'rightie' part of you has essential ambition, drive, imagination and so on (that's assuming that 1 percent of people even get this far in their intellectual life, which they don't) And guess what? In China they don't need to fracture their intellectual life so much in this way. Guess what, they don't want to and it feels good! Guess what, it it is also not extremely intelligent to constantly do this fracturing. 'Fuzzy logic' is one of these known concepts to come out of China (in the guise of Taoism). Yet, fuzzy logic is actually quite a natural phenomena for humans who are seeking something useful within their minds. Of course, I don't want to oversimplify Chinese culture. The Chinese also have the more deontological Confucianism, which APPEARS totalitarian, to Westerners, but actually it can just be a way of assigning people a certain degree of respect (assuming they don't screw you over, in which case even Confucius says you can throw a hissy fit). This also doesn't mean Confucianism can't be overly hierarchical. These things are not zero sum and even Chinese must keep an eye on this. I don't blame Peterson for not knowing every minute of of detail about every culture, who does? In fact his response here was very erudite. I would also state that Peter'son is the sort of guy who they would assign a lot of face, or respect, to in China and he would find it extremely refreshing compared to woke, Western culture. That doesn't mean that there aren't tons of issues; diplomatic, fiscal and otherwise between China and the West, especially as China is experimenting with this Lenninist route under Xi. As someone, to reiterate, with knowledge in this field, I could tell you, even now, the smooth and easy way to rebalance the various 'imbalances' between the West and China. First off though, as with dealing with woke culture, you must realize that its not about everything being unfair and impossible to deal with. China is an old society with its own logic, compelling drive to get things done and working methodolgy. It does deserve the baseline of respect, often not assigned to it be singular minded Westerners. Once you grasp the above there are many more elements to understand, which I will explain on another video, as time is short now, regarding how to 'rebalance' things. To somewhat reiterate, though, there is 'relative perspective' in many life areas and global issues. One cultures strength is another's weakness, and vice versa and this takes intelligence to grasp. It is also one of the keys to dialogue and, yes, sometimes to get people to come together in universal thought and expression. Even the two hemispheres of our brain have different modus operandis, yet both are respect worthy. Why do you think world cultures would be any different?

@zloyboy8 Жыл бұрын

I respect Jordan as a person, he's very educated in his fields. However I have to disagree with the conclusions he's arrived at in regards to China. A lot of information isn't really being given to us, China had the potential to become more "free" however due to external forces the country decided to become not another American puppet. The Chinese government clearly sees and saw America's bullying around the world as a danger to themselves, and therefore did the thing that seemed reasonable at the time and probably today, to be a more communist country as such a country has its economic advantages and creates a stable environment for running things. I believe China wouldn't need to have become the way it is today if the "west" didn't practically invade country after country destabilizing them with their fake moral highground. I'm not American, and from the side views plenty of people see America and its actions to be exactly what they say they are against. America doesn't bring free rights to nobody, America doesn't help people, the only thing it does is take over countries and places puppets to run it. People who are somewhat educated in the matter are able to see this and are against this tyranny that the u.s. brings. Most of the bad things happening today have its roots go back to America, and that tells you how much good this country brings. The morals the u.s. preaches are really good, but it's one thing to say and another thing to actually commit to these morals. I don't hate the American people, however I do hate the political part of it, and it's "capitalistic" mentality, which basicially states let's monopolize everything and then we rule everything. Well on the bright side it seems the current world bully position is being destabilized, hopefully the world won't have to deal with such bullys in the future as only then can we live peacefully.

@CherylCheah100 Жыл бұрын

I am amazed to read your writings and opinion of America’s political elites and their dirty tactics. You totally see through the veneer and have the crucial mental capacity to read America’s hegemonic intent and rule over other nations and the horrible hypocrisy of it all afterwards. You are truly such a rare find. And I guess that explains why in this world, we have more conflicts and sufferings than a peaceful one. As most prefer the hostilities and aggressions when it comes to geo-political dealings.

@artugert Жыл бұрын

So what do you disagree with him on? None of what you said contradicts anything he said.

@MegaPapa8888 Жыл бұрын

Why Ms. Yellen wants to visit China? Even Mr. Blinken still wants to visit China after Balloon gate? Why not just stop diplomatic relationship 100%? Our actions speak louder than words.

@robertopon Жыл бұрын

Hasn't all economic growth in history been about "stealing" other peoples technology? Of course it's more complex to steal semiconductors than the wheel, but basically the same

@randomuser6306 Жыл бұрын

Nope. Who did the US 'steal' nuclear tech from? How about electricity? Cars? Planes?

@robertopon Жыл бұрын

@@randomuser6306 well, plane technology was "stolen" by the europeans from the americans. And the russians stole nuclear technology

@linjunshao5409 Жыл бұрын

And regarding electricity, it too weren’t the Americans. Mainly France and Germany scientists and researchers. It was already long known there is a force/power called electricity but there was no use for it. 200-300 years back there weren’t Waschmachines or TV available so nobody needed it. Only with the appearance of appliances did it found their usage.

@therearenoshortcuts9868 Жыл бұрын

@@randomuser6306 the stole the german scientists... with operation paper clip LOL

@Yurilon Жыл бұрын

@@randomuser6306 ah the Germans

@shadowscott9910 Жыл бұрын

There is a painful period of adjustment short term. Long term we get jobs back, we grow our industries back, our lives improve. I have listened to various debates on this subject and two things stuck. They need us more than we need them, and paper tiger. Curious to see if this conversation changes that perspective.

@DanteLovesPizza Жыл бұрын

Do you know why manufacturing/production were subsidised to China in the first place? Cheap. Manufacturing/production yield low profit for their relative costs in labour, that's why it's subsidised out to places with cheap labour, so that the same labour costs can be invested into high profit yield industries. This whole, "we get our jobs back" argument is walking backwards, because you're literally saying, let's walk back to our industrial revolution days, which, by the way, were far worse living standards, because that's when everything was done in-house. I absolutely don't agree with China's stance on, "YOU RELY ON US" attitude. Like, yeah, you hold 20% of the population, but I'd rather ignore you and trade with the other 80% if you're going to be a pain about it, however, the idea of "we get our jobs back" is honestly the same attitude and doesn't do anyone any good. You can't complain about inflation, but at the same time increase labour costs and reduce profit yield. That's just a terrible position to take. Just give it a think. If you took every single thing you own manufactured in China, which is probably most things these days, and proportionately increased their price according to if they were manufactured in-house, how much more would you have spent? Most households would drop into poverty regions according to today's standards.

@aslouie Жыл бұрын

@@DanteLovesPizza I'm not so sure, if what's going on of late is starting to embody 'Bannonomics,' i.e., what Steve Bannon said on Timcast IRL, of how with repatriated supply chains/industrial base, post-China, American economy will look like, HINT: have America's reindustrialization--especially in small town America, to offset the consequences of post-China-centric globalization (i.e., you've seen how China's reputed status of 2nd largest economy in the world's been slipping, thanks to Xi Jinping's disastrous dynamic 0 COVID policy). Besides, haven't industrial standards been modernized since the first industrial revolution, complete with robotics, AI, etc...--AND YET, still leave plenty of room for a retrained human work force to sustain said modernized reindustrialization/repatriated supply chain, this side of Mike Rowe's post-Dirty Jobs phase of his career? And don't forget; haven't ChatGPT's been increasing the odds a traditional boomer-era, college-centric, knowledge economy will reach obsolescence--given how AI's been fulfilling as much demands of advanced degree-holding, white collar work as humans with said degrees (leaving blue collar work more in demand)?

@DanteLovesPizza Жыл бұрын

@@aslouie It still doesn't change the fact that labour costs, generally speaking, in first world countries is way too expensive. The problem is not with labour force, skills, tools, technology, or anything like that for this matter, it's cost. First world countries are first world countries because the living standards, in comparison, are much better. You don't get better living standards from cheap labour, they contradict each other, but if cheap labour isn't manufacturing your goods, then everything you manufacture becomes insanely expensive. Your salary that could previously buy the cheap labour goods can no longer afford these expensive labour goods, and the quality, for the most part, isn't any better. More expensive goods requires higher wages, which leads to goods being more expensive, and so. It's spiralling road to leaving the first world country title. This issue is more persistent with some countries than others, depending on how their economy is distributed among industries, but nonetheless, first world countries rely on cheap goods. Put it this way, Disney didn't get rich from manufacturing goods in the US.

@aslouie Жыл бұрын

@@DanteLovesPizza Are we talking about low quality goods or mid to high quality goods? Besides, aren't domestically produced products tend to lower prices in the end, if the demand is strong enough to mass produce supply to match demand? And don't forget, while there's still some pragmatic needs for globalism, at least globalized in say, someplace close by (e.g., Mexico, at least according to Peter Zeihan), or someplace where it's a lot more accountable, or at least the possibilities thereof, e.g., Vietnam.

@DanteLovesPizza Жыл бұрын

@@aslouie Doesn't matter what quality you're talking about. Take iPhones, the parts aren't made domestically for a good reason. I'm not going to go into the "iPhones are bad" debate, but the point is, high-end, high-quality goods are still manufactured in places with cheap labour. Domestic manufacturing doesn't lower regardless of how much demand there is and what volume you mass produce in. Economies of scale, yes, but that applies to places with labour too, and it's still way more efficient to do it elsewhere. You're way overestimating salaries in some of these factories if you believe domestic production is cheaper. Let's go back to Disney for a moment. Quite a number of years ago, we did a case study on their factories. One of the factories asked, not demand, asked, for higher wages because they were getting paid cents per day. Disney, without even considering, closed the factory and just moved it elsewhere to continue the cheap labour without having this discussion. It was cheaper in the long run to move and set up an entirely new factory in another country than pay a few more cents per worker. That's the level of cost you're looking at. Pay minimum wage in a first world country for production? It works if you keep a small portion of it (because yes, a 0 production country is just vulnerable), but for nation wide demand, especially large nations/large populations? It doesn't work unless you forfeit your first world country status. There are industries in production, but by far, they are a part of the small portion in manufacturing and production in most first world countries. US manufacturing was 11% of the GDP in 2020. That's how small I mean when I say small. And this is reflective in places like the UK, Norway, and literally every flourishing country of reasonable size. Manufacturing and production were offshored when these rich countries got rich for a reason.

@kyleganse4978 Жыл бұрын

Jordan Peterson should interview Peter Zehian on this topic.

@pjeng1 Жыл бұрын

Peter Zehian is not a good person to talk to for learning more about China.

@gosmarte669 Жыл бұрын

In the context of wars when you look at wars from the last 800 years there have been major wars about every 80-100 years with small wars in between. I believe it's because there is a build up of kinetic energy that needs to go some where. For that reason wars are almost inevitable unless our politicians come to understand the nature of wars and understand that wars are created by a build up of kinetic energy. We are now at such a point again and I am afraid we will enter world war 3. We currently have a "small"'war raging just like in WW1 which was proceeded by a world war. Hate to say it but wars are a natural phenomenon.

@bswihart1 Жыл бұрын

Man when I was a kid china gave us food and fireworks but now everything is made there so I think it’s fair to say that the trade system is one sided now and needs to be repaired

@smdanny1 Жыл бұрын

The issue with China is that for historical and cultural reasons the current "communist/socialist" structure and ideals integrate so well with its "Confucius" teachings about how each individual should know and play his/her "heavenly determined" place in society.

@tommckellen4289 Жыл бұрын

The problem is that 99 percent of commentators have no experience with China relations (and yes, I am an exception to this rule having been involved with China in some degree for well over a decade) so they look at things through a simplistic prism. Yes, as someone bought up the Western way, I feel this pull (what was supposed to happen) of China moving towards becoming more and more 'normal' as is the usage of the term in this clip. However, if we are intellectually honest, there is nothing 'normal' about the Western system at present. In fact, if you really want to be honest about it, there is nothing particularly normal about dividing your psychic life up like a football team where that 'leftie' side of you wears a cardigan and worries about people and thinks we should look out for each other more and think of ourselves as a community and that 'rightie' part of you has essential ambition, drive, imagination and so on (that's assuming that 1 percent of people even get this far in their intellectual life, which they don't) And guess what? In China they don't need to fracture their intellectual life so much in this way. Guess what, they don't want to and it feels good! Guess what, it it is also not extremely intelligent to constantly do this fracturing. 'Fuzzy logic' is one of these known concepts to come out of China (in the guise of Taoism). Yet, fuzzy logic is actually quite a natural phenomena for humans who are seeking something useful within their minds. Of course, I don't want to oversimplify Chinese culture. The Chinese also have the more deontological Confucianism, which APPEARS totalitarian, to Westerners, but actually it can just be a way of assigning people a certain degree of respect (assuming they don't screw you over, in which case even Confucius says you can throw a hissy fit). This also doesn't mean Confucianism can't be overly hierarchical. These things are not zero sum and even Chinese must keep an eye on this. I don't blame Peterson for not knowing every minute of of detail about every culture, who does? In fact his response here was very erudite. I would also state that Peter'son is the sort of guy who they would assign a lot of face, or respect, to in China and he would find it extremely refreshing compared to woke, Western culture. That doesn't mean that there aren't tons of issues; diplomatic, fiscal and otherwise between China and the West, especially as China is experimenting with this Lenninist route under Xi. As someone, to reiterate, with knowledge in this field, I could tell you, even now, the smooth and easy way to rebalance the various 'imbalances' between the West and China. First off though, as with dealing with woke culture, you must realize that its not about everything being unfair and impossible to deal with. China is an old society with its own logic, compelling drive to get things done and working methodolgy. It does deserve the baseline of respect, often not assigned to it be singular minded Westerners. Once you grasp the above there are many more elements to understand, which I will explain on another video, as time is short now, regarding how to 'rebalance' things. To somewhat reiterate, though, there is 'relative perspective' in many life areas and global issues. One cultures strength is another's weakness, and vice versa and this takes intelligence to grasp. It is also one of the keys to dialogue and, yes, sometimes to get people to come together in universal thought and expression. Even the two hemispheres of our brain have different modus operandis, yet both are respect worthy. Why do you think world cultures would be any different?

@smdanny1 Жыл бұрын

@@tommckellen4289 yes Chinese culture is different from Western culture in many aspects one of which is collectism vs individualism, which fundamentally comes down to group benefit vs individual benefit, which is why according to Confuciusm individuals need to sacrifice their own benefit (according to his social place) for the society as a whole which often is the superior leader. No culture is better than another culture, but in different situations different values and social systems might work better to achieve different goals such as social harmony, stability, innovate, economy, freedom... Both Chinese and Western systems are susceptible to things like corruption and tyranny but which is easier to overcome? You talk abou intellectual honesty, in todays China any academic research has to be aligned with cultural integrity things such as history anf morality. You cannot even criticise the government past or present. If you cannot be academically honest or even have an honest discussion about what might be wrong within the government or society in general then how can any problems be identified and fixed? It's like a person is sick and you are trying to find the cure, if you cannot openly and honestly admit what the sickness might be you cannot truly fix the problem.

@tommckellen4289 Жыл бұрын

@@smdanny1 You drank the Western neo conservative cool aid somewhat there. Nonetheless, I would agree that the Confucian/Soviet system slightly is more about intellect and results and the Western method has a slightly higher focus on imagination and discussion (or tbh honest used to have since now we put screaming woke people on the same level as people seeking true discussion). I am getting to the point though where I cannot defend the excessive hubris of 'we, the West, are intrinsically the best' style of thinking, when applied so ad hoc and with such unabashed lack of introspection. Things are not zero sum. It's more like cookery. You can complain that your favorite chef made a meal too salty one time, but you can't say that this makes salt inherently bad, or that the chef is wrong to use this ingredient or even that the chef doesn't know what he or she is doing with the salt. Just because one culture does not like to deal with stupid (or what they perceive to be stupid) people and another does not like uncommunicative people does not make one 'meal' better than the other. Actually, the chefs can have a discussion about their methods. The overall point here is that you are wrong about the inability for people to criticize the Chinese government. As wrong as saying the sky is pink in fact. Once again, just because the way, the timing, the reason and the threshold for a Chinese complaining is different to yours doesn't mean your method is the best (or the worse). I will even speak positively about the concept of finding harmony between people and government. You won't like to hear why the West can't achieve this above harmony, but it's because we never cleared out our oligarchical class to the degree that other cultures did. This is more insideous and powerful than you will know. This topic, generally, is also what I have said I will extemporise upon in another post, which I will, so you can understand further how to create enlightening cross cultural discussion in the future.

@smdanny1 Жыл бұрын

@@tommckellen4289 Name one mainland news agency, academic professor, or government leader that has openly and publicly criticized Xi personally in the past decade on his policies? I'm not saying the West is perfect or is 100% correct or is even something that China should turn into. However, the one advantage that the West model (including Japan, Korea, Singapore, and even Taiwan) that has over China is "freedom of expression" that can criticize the political leaders. Yes it's not 100% true all the time, yes there're exceptions, but in China you cannot say ANYthing bad about any central leaders or you risk being jailed. Look at where all the "white paper" protestors are right now... By the way, if you want to discuss these issues then focus on the issues instead of debasing me on how I drank too much "Western coolaid". There're things a agree with the Western system and there're things I think China does wonderfully well. Both systems are not perfect and right now both have some deep rooted problems. America's progressive left is turning its society into a fascist state where everyone has to agree with the left agenda on LGBTQ+ otherwise they will try to shutdown and cancel anyone that disagrees. That is not free speech. Ironically, America's current "cultural revolution" is very similar to China's cultural revolution. It is not something that it should be proud of.

@artugert Жыл бұрын

Good talk, but didn't address the title question.

@RandomlyAwesomeFilms Жыл бұрын

I don't remember Jordan Peterson ever crossing his arms like this ever. It makes him seem really guarded and uncomfortable. He normally enthusiastically gesticulates, which he does a little bit still.

@crytow5071 Жыл бұрын

The crazies review itself.

@jeffmarton9224 Жыл бұрын

good that dr.peterson hosts evil guests so we can all see what it really is

@myleshagar9722 Жыл бұрын

If the Chinese told the old fat guy that they yearned for him, and his culture, as normal, the translator got it wrong or they were politely lying.

@ericjiang4282 Жыл бұрын

Well unity is always a good thing in Chinese history

@tishajennings6254 Жыл бұрын

It would be great

@tellmemoreplease9231 Жыл бұрын

Here's another thought. When the U.S. forced the rest of the world to sign on to the world wide Patent Agreement, only 2 countries refused. China and the USSR.

@tellmemoreplease9231 Жыл бұрын

Don't know if that is true. Just read it some where? Didn't take the time to confirm.

@yaqiwang5242 Жыл бұрын

A normal country is a failing country. I doubt anyone wants to have the so-called 'normal country' if they have choices. The party cell is like union in certain way. The party cell can create damage to productivity, creativity, diversity, and should not be universally applied to every aspect of the society. But that seems secondary considering the fact that one-party system can progress so fast. Based on my knowledge, it is something dynamically changing in China and not that oppressing as the interviewee implied.

@mack4691 Жыл бұрын

So it turns out that almost all the precursors for illicit fentanyl production can be traced back to Chinese companies. But these companies are just a shell company for one huge manufacturer. This manufacturer receives tax subsidies from the Chinese government. They have hundreds of people in a call center operating as if they were a value added business. Supposedly China clamped down on this in 2019 but it doesn't seem to impact the drug dealers much.

@SpiritusBythos Жыл бұрын

Says 1 reply, where is it? Which company?

@iamnotthekingsaystheking7951 Жыл бұрын

It's cultural revenge for the first and second opium wars. Except it's china's turn.

@SpiritusBythos Жыл бұрын

@@iamnotthekingsaystheking7951 except the usa had nothing to do with the opium wars.

@iamnotthekingsaystheking7951 Жыл бұрын

@@SpiritusBythos the US is an extension of British culture. This was why I emphasized "cultural war". Thank you for the reply. If you'd like to learn more, investigate the parallels between the India-China border and the US-Mexico border regarding trafficking. The history is truly interesting.

@johnbarrett5229 Жыл бұрын

And you somehow imagine that the CIA and the Pentagon are fighting like hell to stop this from coming into the U.S.? Mack you are deeply delusional my man. You are playing the tribal game you've been taught to play since grade school. Evil Russia, Evil China, America the Good Guy. Look where that's gotten us. Yes really.

@rascalhusky8129 Жыл бұрын

Interesting and intelligent dialog.

@TJB-zt9tx Жыл бұрын

What happens no cheap stuff at Wally World. No prescription drugs, cell phones or electronics. Can't make it here, no one wants to work.

@richardscathouse Жыл бұрын

Or remembers how!

@papabear90 Жыл бұрын

Westerners are angry that China won't let them use it for cheap labour anymore basically.

@richardscathouse Жыл бұрын

In fact, yep

@YouCanDoX Жыл бұрын

JP, when will Elon's interview take place?? We are impatiently waiting ✋️

@Robert31352 Жыл бұрын

Listened to the entire video and the tagline question was never brought into the conversation. I will never waste my time with you again. My time is too valuable.

@aaronwest1055 Жыл бұрын

I see what they did with the thumbnail there 😂

@cutnicely Жыл бұрын

This interviewee is full of ungrounded assumptions.

@georgemkirko9645 Жыл бұрын

it is great to hear about fairness!.. but... is the fairness goes both ways?

@jonathanblanchard9922 Жыл бұрын

The blimp vs the balloon...

@williambarron4755 Жыл бұрын

“The world is a business, Mr. Beale”

@franklinfleming1237 Жыл бұрын

The picture made me think xi was on the show

@CollectiveAction664 Жыл бұрын

It's something missing on the argument that the West supported the economic growth of China in order to become more democratic. We had already the paradigm of Soviets where a communist regime with high economic growth became more authoritarian than before economic growth. What we see here, is that the whole Western corporations moved their factories to China in order to produce their products cheeper than in German or American factories. And that was a tremendous sacrifice for the western working people, like Jordan admitted. Cheap salaries and worker's exploitation is the reason the West pushed Chinese growth, not a dream of liberal transformation of a communist regime. We have to admit that in order to find a solution to our decline.

@cctan2420 Жыл бұрын

Exactly, the West was never about pushing democratic ideals but always about making more money. They had pushed opium for a long time to China, and you think that was to push for freedom and democracy?

@LetsLearnEconomic Жыл бұрын

Why are we doing more trade than ever

@zakuworks000 Жыл бұрын

Hands down one of the best Peterson interviews since joining daily wire.

@tz6323 Жыл бұрын

really? you mean one of the worst?

@walhdamaskus2408 Жыл бұрын

@@tz6323 , im agree with that.

@thewishmastur Жыл бұрын

worst interview ever. Sounds like Fox's news.

@crytow5071 Жыл бұрын

@@thewishmastur Fox is not news. It is better than CNN though.

@tommckellen4289 Жыл бұрын

The problem is that 99 percent of commentators have no experience with China relations (and yes, I am an exception to this rule having been involved with China in some degree for well over a decade) so they look at things through a simplistic prism. Yes, as someone bought up the Western way, I feel this pull (what was supposed to happen) of China moving towards becoming more and more 'normal' as is the usage of the term in this clip. However, if we are intellectually honest, there is nothing 'normal' about the Western system at present. In fact, if you really want to be honest about it, there is nothing particularly normal about dividing your psychic life up like a football team where that 'leftie' side of you wears a cardigan and worries about people and thinks we should look out for each other more and think of ourselves as a community and that 'rightie' part of you has essential ambition, drive, imagination and so on (that's assuming that 1 percent of people even get this far in their intellectual life, which they don't) And guess what? In China they don't need to fracture their intellectual life so much in this way. Guess what, they don't want to and it feels good! Guess what, it it is also not extremely intelligent to constantly do this fracturing. 'Fuzzy logic' is one of these known concepts to come out of China (in the guise of Taoism). Yet, fuzzy logic is actually quite a natural phenomena for humans who are seeking something useful within their minds. Of course, I don't want to oversimplify Chinese culture. The Chinese also have the more deontological Confucianism, which APPEARS totalitarian, to Westerners, but actually it can just be a way of assigning people a certain degree of respect (assuming they don't screw you over, in which case even Confucius says you can throw a hissy fit). This also doesn't mean Confucianism can't be overly hierarchical. These things are not zero sum and even Chinese must keep an eye on this. I don't blame Peterson for not knowing every minute of of detail about every culture, who does? In fact his response here was very erudite. I would also state that Peter'son is the sort of guy who they would assign a lot of face, or respect, to in China and he would find it extremely refreshing compared to woke, Western culture. That doesn't mean that there aren't tons of issues; diplomatic, fiscal and otherwise between China and the West, especially as China is experimenting with this Lenninist route under Xi. As someone, to reiterate, with knowledge in this field, I could tell you, even now, the smooth and easy way to rebalance the various 'imbalances' between the West and China. First off though, as with dealing with woke culture, you must realize that its not about everything being unfair and impossible to deal with. China is an old society with its own logic, compelling drive to get things done and working methodolgy. It does deserve the baseline of respect, often not assigned to it be singular minded Westerners. Once you grasp the above there are many more elements to understand, which I will explain on another video, as time is short now, regarding how to 'rebalance' things. To somewhat reiterate, though, there is 'relative perspective' in many life areas and global issues. One cultures strength is another's weakness, and vice versa and this takes intelligence to grasp. It is also one of the keys to dialogue and, yes, sometimes to get people to come together in universal thought and expression. Even the two hemispheres of our brain have different modus operandis, yet both are respect worthy. Why do you think world cultures would be any different?

@ericjiang4282 Жыл бұрын

U think ppl in the west r losing faith, chinese people don’t think so, we have a tradition of unity, chinese tradition heavily influenced by Confucianism, chaos is not good in Chinese tradition.

@singlui5535 Жыл бұрын

Mr Peterson, How long should a social system be tried before we declared it “bad”?

@NorCalMoDo Жыл бұрын

if China does not follow the U.S. way, you are willing, ready, and have already done to use the economic war fare to beat the Chinese people back to poverty. Is this the true color of the U.S.?

@leoxd7029 Жыл бұрын

I continue to be very negatively surprised at how some people can be so uneducated and so willingly blind that they would think capitalism, which is unarguably one of the greatest gifts humanity has ever received, is in any way bad. Look, I get it’s not perfect. But if perfect was 100%, Capitalism is operating at a healthy 95%, while Marxist driven systems, such as communism or socialism, can’t make it to 5%. And that’s obvious to anyone who ever looked at history. Capitalism is the most just system there is, because no one chooses for you where your life goes except you and you can grow, work where you want, live where you want and you have ultimate control over your decisions. Real freedom. And you make money by providing value to other people.(the market). So you make money by adding value to peoples lives and get value coupons in return (money) which you can use however you see fit to improve your own life. It’s not oppressive in the slightest. It’s the opposite. and it’s the reason and basis for human rights. People with a Marxist world view haven’t done their research. They don’t have an opinion. They have a whim.

@aint_just_whistlin_dixie Жыл бұрын

It's not clear who you mean by "some people." The point of the interview is that we thought that if China adopted a capitalist economy that it would lead to eventual liberalization of their political system & democracy. That hope has proven to be false. The state can allow capitalism & markets to function but still place the economy under political control. Hitler did this pre-WWII, China does it now. The lesson: free markets do not lead to free elections.

@dereknewbury163 Жыл бұрын

@@aint_just_whistlin_dixie Certainly the US is not the best advert for the, "capitalism leads to better democracy. Almost all of its politicians are bought and paid for by their donors. They respond to donors not their constituents. Very rich organisations/individuals are able to exert massive influence and get away with terrible things. Sensible solutions to issues such as the multiple shootings are thwarted and the myth of the "American Dream" keeps most people feeling a failure and frightened. Did you ever see a more gutless mob than the present GOP leaders, for example?

@megathai Жыл бұрын

Who cares if China embraces liberal democracy? They lifted one billion people out of poverty meanwhile many Americans still live from paycheck to paycheck.

@tommckellen4289 Жыл бұрын

The problem is that 99 percent of commentators have no experience with China relations (and yes, I am an exception to this rule having been involved with China in some degree for well over a decade) so they look at things through a simplistic prism. Yes, as someone bought up the Western way, I feel this pull (what was supposed to happen) of China moving towards becoming more and more 'normal' as is the usage of the term in this clip. However, if we are intellectually honest, there is nothing 'normal' about the Western system at present. In fact, if you really want to be honest about it, there is nothing particularly normal about dividing your psychic life up like a football team where that 'leftie' side of you wears a cardigan and worries about people and thinks we should look out for each other more and think of ourselves as a community and that 'rightie' part of you has essential ambition, drive, imagination and so on (that's assuming that 1 percent of people even get this far in their intellectual life, which they don't) And guess what? In China they don't need to fracture their intellectual life so much in this way. Guess what, they don't want to and it feels good! Guess what, it it is also not extremely intelligent to constantly do this fracturing. 'Fuzzy logic' is one of these known concepts to come out of China (in the guise of Taoism). Yet, fuzzy logic is actually quite a natural phenomena for humans who are seeking something useful within their minds. Of course, I don't want to oversimplify Chinese culture. The Chinese also have the more deontological Confucianism, which APPEARS totalitarian, to Westerners, but actually it can just be a way of assigning people a certain degree of respect (assuming they don't screw you over, in which case even Confucius says you can throw a hissy fit). This also doesn't mean Confucianism can't be overly hierarchical. These things are not zero sum and even Chinese must keep an eye on this. I don't blame Peterson for not knowing every minute of of detail about every culture, who does? In fact his response here was very erudite. I would also state that Peter'son is the sort of guy who they would assign a lot of face, or respect, to in China and he would find it extremely refreshing compared to woke, Western culture. That doesn't mean that there aren't tons of issues; diplomatic, fiscal and otherwise between China and the West, especially as China is experimenting with this Lenninist route under Xi. As someone, to reiterate, with knowledge in this field, I could tell you, even now, the smooth and easy way to rebalance the various 'imbalances' between the West and China. First off though, as with dealing with woke culture, you must realize that its not about everything being unfair and impossible to deal with. China is an old society with its own logic, compelling drive to get things done and working methodolgy. It does deserve the baseline of respect, often not assigned to it be singular minded Westerners. Once you grasp the above there are many more elements to understand, which I will explain on another video, as time is short now, regarding how to 'rebalance' things. To somewhat reiterate, though, there is 'relative perspective' in many life areas and global issues. One cultures strength is another's weakness, and vice versa and this takes intelligence to grasp. It is also one of the keys to dialogue and, yes, sometimes to get people to come together in universal thought and expression. Even the two hemispheres of our brain have different modus operandis, yet both are respect worthy. Why do you think world cultures would be any different?

@kofigrowee2485 Жыл бұрын

Capitalism is not the greatest system as you claim. A system in which only the strong survive? A system which operates on a trickle down effect? A system in which the capitalist makes the rules that favors their interest? How does one call this a free and fair system in which the whole world should abide by? Capitalism is Christianity in a financial order.

@mtken0321 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for all the intelligible and thoughtful contents. One thing though, [Xi] of Xi Jin Ping, is pronounced as [Shi / shee], not [ze or jee].... I don't understand where westerners get this pronunciation. (A South Korean who used to live in China here)

@antonywooster6783 Жыл бұрын

Westerners us this mispronunciation either out of ignorance or though thinking that the Chinese pin yin orthography is the same as their own language's orthography or to show contempt. To be "fair" they do it to the leaders of other countries as well. They are all "funny foreigners" and therefore more or less contemptible, don'cher know?

@bennfisherr6317 Жыл бұрын

Both of these guys are obviously very intelligent and articulate, yet they explain things in simplistic enough terms where even I can understand. I ignored geopolitics for the first thirty years of my life. Been hanging out in my own ignorant-but-happy bubble. Maybe one day I'll have more than a surface level understanding of this stuff!

@cherylnagy126 Жыл бұрын

stuff, items, products

@kyawkyawoo7601 Жыл бұрын

Everything Jordan Peterson talks about the West is right because he lives in the west and he knows about the West but in regards to to the east everything he talks is wrong because he know nothing about the east.

@captainalex157 Жыл бұрын

the east is not that hard to figure out. also its not one culture, india and china have huge differences.

@johndilivio2770 Жыл бұрын

China nice trains and buildings west is falling apart

@zooeylaw4759 Жыл бұрын

it is quite important to seperate chinese people and the CCP regime.

@mikelittlefield3967 Жыл бұрын

I think we really need to look carefully at “Progress” and be very careful to define this based on economic bias.

@scottloar Жыл бұрын

The CCP are Bolsheviks, an elite and enlightened cadre forming correct opinion, leading and guiding the masses forward (“Party, government, military, civilian, and academic; east, west, south, north and center, the Party leads everything” ) . This notion squares with traditional Chinese governance: Present and traditional governance in China is predicated on the official orthodoxy of the time, and exceptions are invariably regarded as disruptive heresies threatening state-directed order. The Chinese citizen is part of the political process only as a dutiful subject, not an elective being, and the Party will not tolerate any personality greater than its own.

@feliz2892 Жыл бұрын

BS

@scottloar Жыл бұрын

@@feliz2892 You are clueless.

@ajaykumarsingh702 Жыл бұрын

@@scottloar Exactly

@iamzid Жыл бұрын

i think we should start subsidizing our own industries and build back up our own manufacturing power. i mean how do you find anything made in our own country anymore? sometimes you can't, and what you do find is mostly low quality Chinese junk.

@techpriest4787 Жыл бұрын

Junk? My Chinese phone is higher spec and more robust than my Nokia. My nokia is already misbehaving while my Xiaomi does not mind the wet shower in my bathroom everyday. My point is that China is no more only full of thieves. They make very good and also inovative stuff. My RC monster truck that supposed to be all American got Chinese made AND designed parts in it. Meanwhile you get no parts at all that are designed in the USA. Nor is anybody in the west willing to work or think for that matter. We complain about China stealing while our own corporation rob our own nations blind...

@commonsense5709 Жыл бұрын

Chinese are very smart. They manufacture low quality goods purposely so they won't last very long and consumers are forced to buy more of their junk more frequently all over and over again. Everyone should just quit buying anything made in China already and stop funding the Chinese Communist CCP and their military. Also everyone should quit buying US and UK branded Chinese made goods too to stop funding the CCP.

@techpriest4787 Жыл бұрын

@@commonsense5709 dude, every damn company in the world does planned obsolescence... and funding the dim wits in the US funds wars all over the world. So there is no difference.

@commonsense5709 Жыл бұрын

@@techpriest4787 China is preparing for war. Why keep funding them?

@techpriest4787 Жыл бұрын

@@commonsense5709 Americans started most wars all over the world. Way more than China ever could. Why keep funding Americans?

@grzegorzkapica7930 Жыл бұрын

Press like to make Jordan talk to Peter Zeihan. THat would be an interesting conversation to digest.

@jerrypeal653 Жыл бұрын

Cut ties , let’s find out !

@andreilikayutub3496 Жыл бұрын

What happens is China suffers and the US adapts. China is way more dependent on global trade than the US is. China imports most of their food and everything they need to grow the amount of food that they do grow. Long term China is unsustainable. This is without even getting into their demographic collapse.

@kinbolluck476 Жыл бұрын

THIS IS WHAT ZEIHAN SAID 😲

@eddiedevereoxford4995 Жыл бұрын

Why do you think China is building a Chinese Empire in Africa, the Caribbean (essentially making them colonies again) and the Antarctic; staged a takeover of world financial hub Hong Kong in 2019, and wants to have ultimate influence over Taiwan (which the Taiwanese people are actually warming to the idea of)...

@wallacekatini3424 Жыл бұрын

Still living in your imperialistic times ,keep hoping about the fall of China,😂😂🤣

@antonymwangi4986 Жыл бұрын

China is food sufficient. But don't let that fact change your argument

@jasonjean2901 Жыл бұрын

That's such a strange statement, "China is way more dependent on global trade than the U.S. is". China needs to import more because it is, by far, the world's largest economy and is responsible for 27% of global trade. The U.S. is much smaller of an economy and manufactures much less, so they don't need to import as much. As to their "demographic collapse", how many people would China have if their population was halved? 700 million! Just how many Chinese do you think the country needs?

@sidanx7887 Жыл бұрын

I’d like to see a discussion with Peter Zeihan

@janeoke6943 Жыл бұрын

I WILL NEVER LOSE FAITH NEVER.

@crouchingwombathiddenquoll5641 Жыл бұрын

Oh Yes ! I remember waking up one morning and all the manufacturing industries had magically moved to China. Captains of industry are now reaping what the sowed.

@richardscathouse Жыл бұрын

You sleep too much! It took over thirty years to move the factories and teach them the jobs. Not magic bloody hard work

@MisterNiceGuy-dr9tx Жыл бұрын

WHY!!!!!

@jamesbryant8133 Жыл бұрын

Hell of alot of Chinese bots here now... Hi China, we still see you.

@egegeggegeeg4789 Жыл бұрын

Chyna

@kinbolluck476 Жыл бұрын

CHYYYYY NNNNAAAAAA

@KrazeDiamond Жыл бұрын

Jordan really needs to invite someone who actually possess profound knowledge of Chinese history, culture, and politics. Everything this guy said about China is wrong. I always thought you're a high intellectual, but whenever it comes to China, even you get them wrong, what a disappointment. First of all, there is no such thing as "Chinese Communist Party"; it's always been "Communist Party of China", do you not understand the difference? Total Chinese casualties after the Japanese Invasion was 20 million to 25 million mostly consist of civilians estimated to be around 16 million. The US basically added that number onto the deaths toll of the Great Famine then pinned it all on Mao. So the whole claim "Mao killed more Chinese than anyone else in the world" is bogus, pure Red Scare propaganda. US imposed a Total Trade Blockade on China from 1951 to 1972 until Nixon needed China to contain Russia. The Great Famine was a direct result of that. Mao's Great Leap Forward had 156 key projects meant to become self-reliant and overcome the famine. Then Cultural Revolution was about ridding Western Oligarchic Capitalism, end lobbying, old remnants of imperialism, elitism, class segregation, Caste System, prostitution; giving equal rights to women. Then the 4-Person Gang led by Mao's wife hijacked the movement to undermine Mao by raising a separate Red Guards that used violence to cause havoc. Yes, it was chaotic. Yes, Mao made mistakes. But China had just barely survived the Japanese Invasion, not to mention several other invasions that began in late 1800s nonstop. Mao had to save a war-torn China from total collapse, if it wasn't for Mao, there wouldn't be a China today. And mind you, CPC replaced Mao because of the mistakes he made - several projects of The Great Leap Forward failed & hurt the economy; CR was not implemented with enough oversights. This is China's unique Meritocracy, even the Chairman can be replaced if he screws up, including Xi. China IS a "normal" country where the Chinese citizens live norally just like Americans. Vast majority of people in the West still think of China as if it's stuck in 1960s. The Western media has been falsely painting China as an oppressive, dystopian Police State where everyone lives in fear, which can't be further from the truth. The Chinese Govt has an approval rating of over 94%, while the US is below 30% today. Any tier 2 city there is more advanced than any American city, I kid you not. Their HSR connects the entire country and Economy ticket is only $15 that has free 5G the entire way. Every corner in China no matter how high up in the mountains, how rural, has full bar 4G at the very least. Every household has affordable utilities. Poor rural households receive Govt support starting from 800Yuan and up situational. They have universal healthcare. There is zero homelessness. They have strict laws that prohibit price gouging on essentials. Their retirement age is 50-52. When a rolling blackout is necessary, they start with non-essential goverment buildings, factories, commercial; to ensure the PEOPLE can still keep their homes warm/cool because it's called a PUBLIC SERVICE. I'm not saying China is perfect, it isn't. No country is. But haven't you noticed that Western politicians and media are bizarrely hawkish when it comes to China? You never asked why? Aren't you any bit curious? Some people say "I don't care enough to know"; well then why are you parroting the same narratives against China? I'll tell you why: It's Sinophobia. From Yellow Peril to Red Scare, the West has always held prejudice against the Chinese. Nothing more, nothing less.

@ryanlim5882 Жыл бұрын

Well said.

@MisterNiceGuy-dr9tx Жыл бұрын

The random guy was not enough lol???Come on lol!!!!TOTALLY RANDOM ON THAT BOARD LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!1

@marcomarterer7232 Жыл бұрын

Americans think that flourishing capitalism and incompetent dictatorship contradict each other. It´s old, if others are the bad guys, it means were the good guys, attitude. China proved that you can very well be both.

@firebird77clonefirebird89 Жыл бұрын

Jordan Peterson for Prime Minister

@desperationno5 Жыл бұрын

…Please interview Peter Zeihan!

@ablazedguy Жыл бұрын

How about someone whose predictions are at least less wrong than climate change alarmists' Zeihan is a complete joke, don't just listen to things that you want to hear...

@sinnieleeonUtube Жыл бұрын

You must be joking ? In July/August 2022, this guy predicted China's economy will collapse on Sept./12/2022 and also predicted the collapse of the housing market in China. On the contrary, it is world wide acceptance that China's economy gained about 3.5% in 2022. He can even see what was in front of him. LoL !

@vplan Жыл бұрын

I hope you are being sarcastic… I’ve never seen more stupid person, next thing you will ask to invite Chomsly

@bigpicture3 Жыл бұрын

They thought the same thing about Hitler, until Germany redeveloped after WW1, and Hitler got emboldened with grandiose ideas that he could rule the world. The Taiwan situation is not that different from Poland. Just the first step.

@pjeng1 Жыл бұрын

Even if the communist party is gone in China, the majority of Chinese people will still demand unification with Taiwan. This is about Chinese history and identify and not about communism vs. democracy.

@bigpicture3 Жыл бұрын

@@pjeng1 We are talking about two different things here: (1) cultural and historic identity, versus (2) the actions of dictatorial forms of leadership and government. Look what happened in Hong Kong culturally the same people, but now under doctorial rule, whereas before they were not. It was previously much more self deterministic. Oppressors always pick some group to suppress, is the Chinese ethnicity and culture that humongous that some group cannot be picked out to oppress by the tyrinicial divide and conquer method?

@pjeng1 Жыл бұрын

@@bigpicture3 I hope that people in Hong Kong can get back their freedom they used to have before CCP took over. Unfortunately, it is not going to happen any time soon. The CCP regime will go away eventually, but I don't expect to see that happen in my life time.

@ajaykumarsingh702 Жыл бұрын

@@pjeng1 Pretty tall claim to say that CCP will be gone eventually. China and entire humanity has lived under the Monarchy for thousands of years. CCP ain't going nowhere and in fact China might turn into an empire in the coming century.

@ekayonosuwito3298 Жыл бұрын

Good, good, good. 👍👍👍

@serikazero128 Жыл бұрын

What happens? half of USA dies. Who supplies most of the basic medicine? Who supplies most of the basic materials for constructions? The entire world relies to heavily on China. For cheap labor, for cheap materials and for medicine. And while you can go: "well I can pay 10$ more for my adidas shoes!!!" well, you won't be paying 10$ extra, you'd be paying like 16$ to 20$ extra. And a lot of people already have money issues, especially getting a home or starting a family. Rising that "barrier" even more, well guess who will suffer. Also, IP is a fantasy. Its like you go sing in front of the town hall and cry out when someone record you, and then starts singing the same song. If you do something well, others will always try to copy you, that's how humanity always pushed forward.

@ADITYAKUMAR-mb5ht Жыл бұрын

Exactly that's why now US is more interested in india than any other countries... And if china wants to challenge USA than it has to believe in multi-polarity..... The dream of uni-polarity like USA will ruin china for forever and it will be the saddest thing for China ...

@yamo511 Жыл бұрын

now do Israel

@CtrlWQ Жыл бұрын

Synced. New economic model needed. ✨️ Web3 4 ....

@robinlee6623 Жыл бұрын

so ，looks like geopolitical and economic are not familiar area for professor Jordan

@ironnh.2780 Жыл бұрын

Why is JP getting into geopolitics now? Typical Anglo Saxon biases… sigh

@metalrulezv4856 Жыл бұрын

iron h

@hughmungus2760 Жыл бұрын

yeah he's a complete novice at geopolitics and is just recycling mainstream talking points. Anyone who serious believes marxism has anything to do with china's current model of government is woefully uniformed.

@TimeMaster1976 Жыл бұрын

What a ridiculous scenario, cut ties, what does that even mean.

@TimeMaster1976 Жыл бұрын

We are all using to much sunlight, let's cut ties with the sun.

@ramonching7772 Жыл бұрын

What happens when the US cut ties? As in no trade? The Americans will be going to Canada and Mexico to get their TV, celphones.

@mxvega1097 Жыл бұрын

Why does the interview not match the clickbait title? Why does Read not get introduced as a liberal interventionist and CFR member? Why does JP spend 3 minutes in facile set-up of the conversation that we clicked to hear, ie with his guest actually being allowed to speak? Why can neither of them pronounce Mandarin properly? It's not hard to take the key terms and names in a foreign language and practice them, whether it's Japanese, German, Turkish, or Bahasa. Or Mandarin. The capital is not "Bay-zzhhing", it's more like "bay jing". Hard J. Like Jordan. In English. Am I being picky? Yes, but it goes to credibility, including that of certain Experts wandering into a minefield of debate and contention without a care and pronouncing certitudes while sounding like beginners or ignoramuses.

@tz6323 Жыл бұрын

It's clear that neither of those individuals have any firsthand experience or knowledge of China. Their statements should therefore not be taken seriously. Perhaps the other person could benefit from some physical activity, while you could gain a deeper understanding of China by visiting and immersing yourself in the culture.

@vplan Жыл бұрын

I could not agree more. I can’t believe I am saying it, but here is a perfect example of white supremacy :).

@sabni8668 Жыл бұрын

Visit? So the government can arrest you and breach your human rights like it does to its own citizens? No thanks …

@tz6323 Жыл бұрын

@@sabni8668that's why you need to visit because you can clean the rubbish the Media has fed you over the years.

@captainalex157 Жыл бұрын

check out serpentza and laowhy86 they lived in china for over 10 years and have in depth knowledge on the CCP and its shenanigans.

@vplan Жыл бұрын

@Captain Alex stopped following them few years back once I found out they were lying.

@Santeh60 Жыл бұрын

There's always 2 sides of the same coin. Take a look at Singapore & any other little successful country run by 1 single party. Are they Capitalist? Or Communist? America & her allies had their run of the world, the tide has changed, now tsunami is inevitable.

@johndilivio2770 Жыл бұрын

Is the end of capalist system

@richardscathouse Жыл бұрын

Horray!

@honcheelim1220 Жыл бұрын

You are colossally wrong about China which has every right to grow and having its own way of governing itself.

@richardscathouse Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@adamwatson6916 24 күн бұрын

I dont agree with alot of what China does but its their country and they can run their country as they see fit and they have every right to develop . Nobody forced the west to outsource all our Manfacturing to China .

@danielbaur5765 Жыл бұрын

I am definitely a JBP fan, yet at the same time, I think he should stay away from commenting on geopolitics. He is only an expert in psychology; he should let the experts handle geopolitics

@amazingjason455 Жыл бұрын

I can’t think of anyone who I would rather have involving himself in politics.

@alexandreaanderson514 Жыл бұрын

@@amazingjason455 Same

@danielbaur5765 Жыл бұрын

@@amazingjason455 ok you guys make some good points. I really like him, but I just think he sometimes talks about things that he doesn't know enough about and should spend more time reading about. Like for example in this video he was talking about Communism in China. But I think his understanding of Communism and Chinese Communism are two different things. In fact, China isn't even really Communist, they run under state capitalism. He made another video about Russia and Ukraine where he made claims that didn't make sense; it was clear he didn't know what he was talking about.

@craigmhall Жыл бұрын

Politics only exists at all because two sides, including experts, can't agree on what's right. I would much prefer the approach of questioning, considering and exploring all sides, or ideas rarely considered, in search of the truth. To suggest anyone leave politics to the experts is affront to the entire principle of democracy.

@SpiritusBythos Жыл бұрын

I disagree. He studied totalitarian regimes, and the psychology behind them extensively. He has worked with the UN extensively. He is internationally recognized as competent in many fields, he just happens to be famous for one. I value your opinion even tho I don't know you or what you are about. Let it out and it can be weighed. I am reminded of the 'I'm not a biologist' comment from the new Supreme Court member. Even 'experts' disagree. Take good care

@springnpine84 Жыл бұрын

After the founding of the people Republic of China after 1949, America and their alliance Britain had sea blockage to stop any cargoes ship enter into China, no country allowed to sell their goods to the Chinese, this had cause starvation inside China,

@valmid5069 Жыл бұрын

*More Suggested Interviews For Dr. Jordan Peterson:* Ricky Gervias Drew McCoy Alex J. O’ Connor Daniel Dennett Dan Barker Thomas Westbrook Dan Mcclellan The Line Channel Aron Ra Matt Dillahunty The Non Alchemist Channel Hemant Mehta Bart Ehrman Andrew Neil Michael Burns Tom Nicholas Lewis Waller Sisyphus 55 Channel Duncan Channel Jimmy Dore Malala Yousafzai Cody Johnston Tamim Albargouthi Chris Mullin The Kavernacle Aardman Animations Jane Elliott The Vanguard Amy Goodman Abigail Thorn Pillar of Garbage Channel Alexander Haley Sam Seder John Iadarola Rashad Richey Noam Chomsky Jordan Meiselas Mike Figueredo Dr. Hakim Richard D. Wolff

@youtubehatesfreespeech2555 Жыл бұрын

Jordy, I think you should stick to Jung and don't mess with geopolitics especially after the latest embarrassment with your comments about regime change in Iran! Maybe you won't like what I say and call for internet censorship where all the "Internet tough guys" can reside and nobody would bother your supreme Highness while engaging in intellectually bankrupt and financially motivated opinions! So much about free speech, huh?!

@mycroftholmes7379 Жыл бұрын

Agree. In fact he deleted some of his videos that contained some criticisms. This person is indeed a pseudo-intellectual..Even if he saved suicidal teenagers, that does not exclude him from his pseudo-intellectual regime.

@youtubehatesfreespeech2555 Жыл бұрын

@Gyrate Exactly, why are you talking then?

@youtubehatesfreespeech2555 Жыл бұрын

@Gyrate hehehh, you are almost not stupid!

@youtubehatesfreespeech2555 Жыл бұрын

@Gyrate How do you know that?

@youtubehatesfreespeech2555 Жыл бұрын

@Gyrate I am a billionaire actually! Told you, you don't know what you are talking about! Plus I have a brain which you don't, so that's two out of two for me!