The World is Changing, Here Are the Players to Watch

To understand what is happening in the world, you must first understand the framework of world politics. In this clip from Dr Peterson's conversation with Walter Russell Mead, Walter walks through 300 years of events that have shaped the global political landscape.
Walter Russell Mead is a writer, professor, and academic, focusing his efforts on international policy and affairs. He is the James Clarke Chace Professor of Foreign Affairs and Humanities at Bard College and taught American foreign policy at Yale University. Mead has worked as a columnist for publications such as The Wall Street Journal and was editor at large for The American Interest. His books include “Mortal Splendor,” “Special Providence,” “Power, Terror, Peace and War,” “God and Gold,” and most recently “The Arc of a Covenant.”
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[@rosemadder5547]

Jordan Peterson changed my life. Do I agree with everything he says? No; I don’t agree with everything ANYONE says. Is that a reason to attack and hate someone? Also No. In the last year, I went from jobless and in a physically abusive relationship, no skills… to getting in school and becoming an EMT, an example for my son, and just a new person. It goes back to me specifically finding Mr. Peterson. I love this man ❤ throwing himself to the wolves to be an influence to us.

[@OTee1998]

Your mindset is that of someone who will only continue to climb the latter of enlightenment and success. Keep taking steps and stay true to yourself, as you are. As Dr. Peterson does. Hard times will come like waves, but your tools in dealing with hardships will multiply, and you will be able to navigate this life of struggle with efficiency and confidence. Much love to you.

[@JarodM]

Awesome, best of luck to you~

[@yudoball]

Good job! Keep going

[@philditch]

You’re smashing it man. All power to you 💪💪💪

[@slm2021]

Powerful story of truth and restoration that you just shared! Thank you! ❤️

[@paulbadics3500]

Problem is US & west have stopped following their own moral code

[@aim-for-greatn3z947]

It all went to shit once the national anthem was removed from school. Once I noticed it I figured it's over!!!

[@jgappy5643]

They lost any moral code. The only moral code they accept now is money and power. At all cost (no moral code).

[@freedomsong9747]

What was that moral code?

[@johnm7267]

They didn’t have much to start with

[@aim-for-greatn3z947]

@John M u are bugging!!! As a person that used to HATE history I actually came to appreciate America history just a little bit more. Even though the founding fathers were racist ass FUCK! At least they had the Bible in forefront of when this nation was created.

[@vickikenton5439]

I’m not naturally interested in this topic but I’m forcing myself to pay attention and learn. Thank you, Dr. Jordan, for your bravery, your depth of study and thought, and your generosity to share this with the rest of us so that we can support an appropriate future system for all.

[@tzar9395]

Good on you. I wish you luck in learning subjects like this and other related.

[@kolviczd6885]

The Anglo-American system is exploitative, cruel, unjust, racist, and parasitic for the 'Non-Anglo American World' which constitutes 85% of the world's population. Just because there is the words - 'liberal', 'free', 'democratic' in the system doesn't mean the system is Liberal, Free and Democratic for everyone. It's the opposite. America, the country that preach Democracy to the world is not even a democracy anymore. It has become a Plutocracy where only few powerful individual and elites run the country. The common American citizens have no say in almost every important decisions and policies that governs their country and their relations with the rest of the world. US foreign policy is a curse for the rest of the world who believed in the sovereignty of their country, because America always interfered and meddle in their business. American citizens might have freedom at home but America 'the country' is a DICTATOR for the world. It dictates the rest of the world and never allow other to enjoy freedom in their own country. Anyone who refused to follow the dictate of America are being bullied, sanctioned or invaded. That's not freedom for those countries. America preach Freedom and Human Rights to the world, but It has illegally invaded countless countries and killed/murdered 20-30 million people since the WW2. In Vietnam war and Korean War alone, more than 15 million people have been killed by the US. That's not the type of Human Rights the rest of the world want or need. America is the biggest threat to World Peace. It has militarized the world with 750 military bases all over the world, while the rest of the world combined have only 80. China, who the US labelled as the biggest threat to the world peace has only 4 military base outside of their country. It's funny how hypocritical US can become without any shame!! Anglo-America system has plundered the world for hundreds of years to fulfilled their greed especially during the colonization period. Most poorest and most underdeveloped countries you see in the world today are once colonized by Western imperialist. China and India were the two biggest economy for thousands of years till 18 century, so they are not overtaking Anglo-American dominance, they are only coming back to where they belong. All empire rise and fall. It's the law of nature and no one can reverse it.

[@flyshacker]

Outstanding. Jordan Peterson has got to be one of the clearest thinkers and best speakers ever to come along. I have listened to him long enough to come to share his perspective on religion - “I act as though God exists.” That’s brilliant. Upholding the values and insights of age-old human wisdom while treating universal explanations as metaphors.

[@jamshedfbc]

"Diversity of approach beats efficiency of monolithic view" - Jordan Peterson 💕

[@-whackd]

Soon you're gonna believe in state rights over federal laws, and then people will start calling you a racist.

[@Western_Decline]

the West coping with its decline so hard 😂

[@GPhilippe-di6qi]

just words with no substances. Don't fall for it.

[@kolviczd6885]

The Anglo-American system is exploitative, cruel, unjust, racist, and parasitic for the 'Non-Anglo American World' which constitutes 85% of the world's population. Just because there is the words - 'liberal', 'free', 'democratic' in the system doesn't mean the system is Liberal, Free and Democratic for everyone. It's the opposite. America, the country that preach Democracy to the world is not even a democracy anymore. It has become a Plutocracy where only few powerful individual and elites run the country. The common American citizens have no say in almost every important decisions and policies that governs their country and their relations with the rest of the world. US foreign policy is a curse for the rest of the world who believed in the sovereignty of their country, because America always interfered and meddle in their business. American citizens might have freedom at home but America 'the country' is a DICTATOR for the world. It dictates the rest of the world and never allow other to enjoy freedom in their own country. Anyone who refused to follow the dictate of America are being bullied, sanctioned or invaded. That's not freedom for those countries. America preach Freedom and Human Rights to the world, but It has illegally invaded countless countries and killed/murdered 20-30 million people since the WW2. In Vietnam war and Korean War alone, more than 15 million people have been killed by the US. That's not the type of Human Rights the rest of the world want or need. America is the biggest threat to World Peace. It has militarized the world with 750 military bases all over the world, while the rest of the world combined have only 80. China, who the US labelled as the biggest threat to the world peace has only 4 military base outside of their country. It's funny how hypocritical US can become without any shame!! Anglo-America system has plundered the world for hundreds of years to fulfilled their greed especially during the colonization period. Most poorest and most underdeveloped countries you see in the world today are once colonized by Western imperialist. China and India were the two biggest economy for thousands of years till 18 century, so they are not overtaking Anglo-American dominance, they are only coming back to where they belong. All empire rise and fall. It's the law of nature and no one can reverse it.

[@williambarron4755]

We can’t be beat from the outside. We can only defeat ourselves. And we are doing a pretty damn good job at that at present.

[@Earthad23]

Everyone says this all the time

[@peripheralarbor]

The stone carved from the mountain without hands struck the feet of the statue, and the statue crumbled to dust. But the stone grew to be a mountain and fill the whole earth.

[@Kurtofon]

I got goosebumbs listening to Jordans last bit about many approaches beats centralized planning such a good and profound observation.

[@ClaudiuManea]

basically the reason why capitalism works and communism doesnt

[@Kurtofon]

@@ClaudiuManea Yes actually because capitalism is just the mechanism which gives incentive for diversity of ideas and approaches, while also giving incentive for what already works at the same time.

[@skydragon23101979]

But you can have best of both worlds you can have many approaches have a small trial and debate before deciding on the final approach and implement it countrywide with efficient centralised planning. This is partially the Chinese system.

[@Kurtofon]

@@skydragon23101979 Where I see it failing is where the small trial debate becomes more valued than diversity off approaches, and the people that decides these things will differ so a good approach might be denied because it does not fit the leaders agenda at the time. And to me based on what I've red, and observed once you centralize planning,decision making, power, it seems to me that these things compund until it collapses. Also like Jordan said Japan made a succesfull vision for a while with centralized planning but if you have something as big as a state it takes a long time to adapt, in order to have as much diversty of approach as possible you also need rules which lets people experiment without having the state breathing down their neck or at least not too restrictive which will be harder the more rules there are and there will be more rules when it's a highly centralized state.

[@skydragon23101979]

@@Kurtofon Diversity of ideas and approaches requires that you have effective governance to ensure the prevalence of a middle class or else if the wealth gap is huge enough between the have and have nots basically what you have is more echo chamber then diversity of ideas. Diversity of ideas come from people with different perspectives and life experiences. Too much diversity of ideas is a waste of resources and results in a harsh darwinian environment that is unhealthy for a country’s long term prosperity. Your concern is right so it really depends on the caliber of leadership in centralised planning and how do you do your best to ensure the best people get the right post and position.

[@TheKingterri]

How about we start here: Leave sovereign countries alone to freely exercise right to self-determine their futures, particularly DO NOT interfere in their domestic affairs (e.g elections)??? Let’s start there for heaven’s sake! ✌🏾

[@knotsochice]

Jeebus, Jordan! You make so much sense and speak with such reason, I'm delighted and surprised KZbin allows you to speak! Carry On!

[@annanderson1470]

Always teaching me and so informative, thanks 👍

[@thinwolf4516]

Thank you Jordan Peterson for renewing my hope for individual sovereignty into the indefinite future. Even the "singularity" looks less daunting to me today.

[@hismaelification]

I am just reading his book in German.I love the book, great man ! Wish him and his family the best of the best.

[@winkus8586]

This a pure american/anglo exceptionalistic point of view.

[@eldeluxo]

As it should be.

[@bennfisherr6317]

I normally like listening to both of these guys but yeah...I was thinking the same thing.

[@dmitriburov6141]

moreover, replacing 70 years of triumph with three centuries. A hundred years ago, the languages of culture and diplomacy were French, and the language of science was German.

[@catherinemurray2211]

Jordan thank you we need you !!! ❤

[@ingridfromtoronto]

I get the best education from you, Jordan. Thank you 👍🏾🇨🇦

[@Western_Decline]

Read more.

[@JaneEva]

Interesting! Thanks!

[@donaldclifford5763]

Amazing clarity of thought and expression.

[@daves-c8919]

So if the people of Zimbabwe are attracted to the idea of no oversight by an outside government structure, they are probably corrupted, but when the college of psychologists wants to have some oversight over the crap Dr Peterson says on Twitter, suddenly it’s the freedom of the individual that’s more important.

[@mendelkorf639]

Im not a peterson fan but what you're saying is quite disingenuous the oversight they we're talking about was oversight on where the money they are giving is going to. And it getting gifted to a politicians brother in law if it's meant for aid is wrong. I dont believe the people of Zimbabwe voted for that. A board of psychology should only manage what people say in psychology it shouldn't have authority on what people say on anything else. It should only oversee cases of malpractice. If you truly comparing the 2 things 1) a sovereign nation having an exchange of aid for oversight 2) a psychology board dabbling in things that have nothing to do with that profession i hope you see the difference. But from the way you wrote it seems you just don't like him . If that's the case then never mind.

[@daves-c8919]

@@mendelkorf639 I disagree. Peterson is using his title of doctor, that he got from a university, in his Twitter handle. He’s using the stable trust that people have in the title to legitimize his message. He is presenting himself as a psychologist, and therefore representing the work done by psychologists. His practice as a doctor is linked directly to this account, and I think the college of psychologists is right in thinking he made a mistake in calling a 19 year old “not beautiful” while presenting his title of doctor. As for the money in Zimbabwe, I’m in no way promoting governmental corruption. I’m saying that supporting an oversight board only when it doesn’t affect you is just worth an eye roll.

[@mendelkorf639]

@Dave S-C he is just stating what he is If someone writes esquire in their Twitter feed it doesn't mean everything they post they wanna make law😂. To say he's using it to get an audience is undefineable unjustified and not quantifiable. And what you said doesn't adress the point that a professional board should only deal with clear malpractice of that profession not get involved in their other pursuits or politics. Though maybe you do want people to impose political and thought orthodoxy. If you do im glad you have the Free ability to state that opinion and not have to risk losing your profession.

[@mendelkorf639]

@Dave S-C and also being able to have your opinions outside of profession isn't at all similar to government corruption ergo they should have different oversight standards

[@daves-c8919]

@@mendelkorf639 And I’m a Peterson fan. He changed my life

[@ahsanmohammed1]

6:40 Great points. Appreciate the insights.

[@zethembendlovu1825]

Sounds like he's explaining Avengers movie. Totally bias

[@seanc.mcnally2118]

10:56 'distributive creativity' is gold

[@adzthewise]

JP is a brilliant, extraordinary free mind with a lean on true freedom of speech, I'm with that 100%

[@ThunderAppeal]

He is not as free as you would like to believe. He is very biased.

[@kolviczd6885]

The Anglo-American system is exploitative, cruel, unjust, racist, and parasitic for the 'Non-Anglo American World' which constitutes 85% of the world's population. Just because there is the words - 'liberal', 'free', 'democratic' in the system doesn't mean the system is Liberal, Free and Democratic for everyone. It's the opposite. America, the country that preach Democracy to the world is not even a democracy anymore. It has become a Plutocracy where only few powerful individual and elites run the country. The common American citizens have no say in almost every important decisions and policies that governs their country and their relations with the rest of the world. US foreign policy is a curse for the rest of the world who believed in the sovereignty of their country, because America always interfered and meddle in their business. American citizens might have freedom at home but America 'the country' is a DICTATOR for the world. It dictates the rest of the world and never allow other to enjoy freedom in their own country. Anyone who refused to follow the dictate of America are being bullied, sanctioned or invaded. That's not freedom for those countries. America preach Freedom and Human Rights to the world, but It has illegally invaded countless countries and killed/murdered 20-30 million people since the WW2. In Vietnam war and Korean War alone, more than 15 million people have been killed by the US. That's not the type of Human Rights the rest of the world want or need. America is the biggest threat to World Peace. It has militarized the world with 750 military bases all over the world, while the rest of the world combined have only 80. China, who the US labelled as the biggest threat to the world peace has only 4 military base outside of their country. It's funny how hypocritical US can become without any shame!! Anglo-America system has plundered the world for hundreds of years to fulfilled their greed especially during the colonization period. Most poorest and most underdeveloped countries you see in the world today are once colonized by Western imperialist. China and India were the two biggest economy for thousands of years till 18 century, so they are not overtaking Anglo-American dominance, they are only coming back to where they belong. All empire rise and fall. It's the law of nature and no one can reverse it.

[@willarn1]

Great interview.

[@zethembendlovu1825]

Bias interview.

[@lecelcelec]

Many of those, which until now have grown vertically, will experience a hard and unpleasant horizontal.

[@farshadmn4273]

thank you, 💯...

[@rogeralsop3479]

Most interesting and frightening.

[@SIRLEE]

The mistake most western analysts make is to think for the rest of the world through their own eyes. What countries e.g in Africa see when they look towards BRICS is: stability; equitable economic progress; strong value systems; mutual respect for each nation as a sovereign state; real partnerships etc. all of these concepts are lacking in the western discourse where individual happiness and progress is revered at the expense of all other considerations. Even for enlightened commentators like Dr Peterson, they still find it difficult to come to the ground in the global south and look at global geo-politics through the lenses of individual nations in the global south. PS: Morality here in Africa is not limited to financial misuse. The most archaic and grace forms of immorality which everyone down here agrees with is sexual perversion. There is no way an American can preach to an African about morality in terms of corruption and lack of democracy; when on the other hand, the same Americans are promoting homosexuality, LGBTQ and other practices which Africans find to be grossly immoral and amounting to an attack on their existence as a people.

[@DirtyEdon]

Very very well said

[@piyushjaiswal9283]

Peterson is not enlightened. Typical white racist he is. He has that supermacy notion about his race too.

[@theStacyJames]

Splendid as usual

[@wikingagresor]

Great conversation. I'm happy to see Jordan Peterson tipping his toe in the realm of geopolitics. Maybe another interesting guest to speak to would be George Friedman ?

[@michaelhurlbut4830]

He should interview Paul Ormerod. THAT would be an interesting conversation!

[@johnwilliams3555]

Tree hundred years ago the Dutch, Portuguese, and French were also big players. Some major effects left out. No mention of the WEF or the global inching to the left. There seems to be global operators who no one is talking about.

[@bbblackwell]

Are we still talking about world politics as if sovereign nations are the height of power, competing for dominance? Did the last few years not sufficiently demonstrate that a single agenda lies behind all the major nations? Have we not realized that debt creates a power differential, and that these nations are all in debt to the international banks, and therefore subject to their control?

[@TheKingterri]

Exactly. This point appears to be a blind spot even for the great Jordan Peterson. Well said my friend. ✌🏾peace.

[@thomasholmes9765]

This is one of the best explanation of the historical perspective on how the modern economy evolved through political wrestlings seeking control on what is ultimately uncontrollable. One area of major importance that isn't raised in the enlightening discussion, was instrumental impact and success of the Federal Reserve System, and the creation of a single reserve currency backed by the gold assets of the world's monarchies in full support of the same. It might not be a perfect system ... but it ensures stability. The G7 has worked tirelessly since 1947 to end the Federal Reserve System by the creation of a 5 front attack. 1) No more gold backed currency. The world operates on the exchange of Trueasury Bonds. 2) Creation of CIA 3) Creation of G7 4) Creation of NATO 5) Creation of the United Nations Club.

[@kenyoung5604]

I may not have studied economics at Wharton, but I strongly disagree that the Federal Reserve System has been successful for the people and economy of America. It has been extremely successful at taking control of the money supply by being outside the government. FRS is not subject to any audits at all. It has also been successful at spreading the liabilities and losses of the “banking industry “ right onto the backs of the American taxpayer. It has also promoted and normalized the idea of “fractional banking” By requiring banks to only keep 10% of their assets on hand certainty sets up the customers of the bank for loss should The be a crisis that causes a run on the bank. I had hoped that among major issues, President Trump would have tacked the FRS system and laid The groundwork to move us back to the gold standard.

[@elenah1384]

This system is falling apart before our eyes in case you haven’t noticed yet. BRICS are creating their own system, the Arabs are already joining them together with the majority of the global population and resources across all continents.

[@tiffanyleighcrim4669]

True leader thank you Mr Jordon we love you !!!!!!

[@jamesmiller2735]

Well Mr Jordan Patterson is a wonderful thinker but on his assessment about China I disagree with that and my reasons are very simple, say whatever you want about the Chinese but thanks to them Africans, Asians, South Americans no longer have to use 3rd generation equipments while the west has moved on to 4th or fifth generation equipments,Think about the cost of buying a Mobile phone or even a computer in those part of the world in the early 2000 and then compare it with today, You will certainly realise why the Chinese has a very strong support in the developing than the west would like to acknowledge.

[@Theodisc]

The giant *ENT* Treebeard in Tolkien's LotR The Return of the King, quote: "... by stock and stone... For *the world is changing* : I feel it in the water, I feel it in the earth, and I smell it in the air", end quote. 🙏🏽

[@howardli7129]

Good quote

[@magnusdeusmusic]

Sorry for dumb question out of topic, but what watch does Mr.Peterson wearing?

[@justinobyrne4143]

We never learn from our mistakes

[@__soap__]

Please interview John J Mearsheimer

[@andrewdeans6714]

Angels on my side for us all pray 🙏

[@gosmarte669]

The biggest threat to our national security is social media. Our advisories can greatly influence people in a negative way. When we deal with other national security threats we have groups such as FBI or CIA that can handel this. There is not one organization in the free world that deals with the threat of social media and it's a real problem. My other major concern to national security is our massive amount of debt. If the US fails to pay on its debts it's a true national security issue that we can not underestimate. I wish Dr Peterson would discuss those topics. The good news is, we can find solutions if there is a political willingness to do so...

[@leswatson8563]

Wishing you the very best of luck with the... Arcforum sir 👍😊.

[@begie666]

Haven Same feeling.

[@sarahbefrank.3364]

Where is the full interview ?

[@jimluebke3869]

I would love to see Victor Davis Hanson, Walter Russell Mead, Niall Ferguson, and Peter Zeihan in one room talking about how America got here and what should we do next.

[@gusgrimm7533]

Great list. Let's include Thomas Sowell.

[@alexlazar4738]

WTF? No opposing voices? It's like gathering all Flat earth theorists and asking them whether the Earth is flat? And Peter Zeihan is the greatest fool I have ever seen. Just pick any number he says about anything and compare it with the actual data.

[@biancavonmuhlendorf2608]

You do not need to "defeat" yourself, quite the contrary. You need to empower yourself and go with the truth.

[@jimluebke3869]

@@alexlazar4738 Example?

[@jimluebke3869]

@@gusgrimm7533 Good idea. Although from what I've read, his emphasis is more on the present day. His "Conquests and Cultures" touches on this though, if I recall correctly (It's been like 20 years since I read it.) By the way, he's likely to lay his burdens down any time now. (I'm rooting for him to outlast Soros, personally, but it seems like a close race.) Who would you say is a good inheritor of his mantle? In any case, this list is people who have a good historical baseline tracing specific ideas of how the West became what it is, with a bibiliography to back it up. Adding any more would make it a lecture series, rather than a panel. I'm not sure we live in a perfect enough world for that...

[@alesh4654]

I respect Dr. Peterson for his intelligence. That is why I trust him on the subject of the accumulation of wealth by the United States over 200 years of waging wars around the world, starting with the extermination of the Indians.

[@welcometothelimitededition5654]

So much going on

[@stephen_mcateer]

Interesting.

[@randomactivitiesco.5848]

Wonder if Peterson has ever spoken to Peter Zeihan. Zeihan has some really interesting things to say about trade going forward.

[@sadeeqomar6502]

The people that lived through the Persian & Roman empires couldn't imagine the world one day without those two imperial powers, but here we' re today. Bribery and coercion are the primary pillars of the "Anglo-American order" cartel. So i see no reason why just like all super powers since the beginning of civilization, it' s without an expiry date.

[@raviagarwal3924]

I like the discussion. I wonder what their views about my country are. And if they were indians what would they want india to do or behave for more trade, prosperity.

[@piyushjaiswal9283]

These are all just racists , supermacist and hate other races. Their so called nations are built on massive loot from india. It's time they are all destroyed.

[@dr.edwardfreeman]

Walter Russell Mead is brilliant; simply brilliant! What a grasp of the modern geopolitical reality! What a mind!

[@J10044]

No, his approach is very Anglo-Saxon and he misses a lot because of that. To begin, the balance of power was a strategy developed by cardinal Richelieu from France, much before the British. He also misses on the geopolitical front the so-called Heartland theory by Halford Mackinder, which has been the leading guideline for all geopolitical policies by first the UK and now the US. The US is an empire in decline. It is very clear. It has all the signs of it. The danger is that they won't go down elegantly but take half the world with them in a devastating global war.

[@georgekhoury9954]

Walter Russel Mead is a neocon who supported Bush's Iraq war just like Jordan Peterson Also the whole video was about how to save the Judeofascist-infiltrated Anglo-Saxon Liberal-Unilateral Unipolar Authoriatian-Globalist world order. This is not surprising given Jordan Peterson is anglo-globo-liberal woke and feminist deep inside contrary to his narative that is meant for domestic consumption.

[@kolviczd6885]

The Anglo-American system is exploitative, cruel, unjust, racist, and parasitic for the 'Non-Anglo American World' which constitutes 85% of the world's population. Just because there is the words - 'liberal', 'free', 'democratic' in the system doesn't mean the system is Liberal, Free and Democratic for everyone. It's the opposite. America, the country that preach Democracy to the world is not even a democracy anymore. It has become a Plutocracy where only few powerful individual and elites run the country. The common American citizens have no say in almost every important decisions and policies that governs their country and their relations with the rest of the world. US foreign policy is a curse for the rest of the world who believed in the sovereignty of their country, because America always interfered and meddle in their business. American citizens might have freedom at home but America 'the country' is a DICTATOR for the world. It dictates the rest of the world and never allow other to enjoy freedom in their own country. Anyone who refused to follow the dictate of America are being bullied, sanctioned or invaded. That's not freedom for those countries. America preach Freedom and Human Rights to the world, but It has illegally invaded countless countries and killed/murdered 20-30 million people since the WW2. In Vietnam war and Korean War alone, more than 15 million people have been killed by the US. That's not the type of Human Rights the rest of the world want or need. America is the biggest threat to World Peace. It has militarized the world with 750 military bases all over the world, while the rest of the world combined have only 80. China, who the US labelled as the biggest threat to the world peace has only 4 military base outside of their country. It's funny how hypocritical US can become without any shame!! Anglo-America system has plundered the world for hundreds of years to fulfilled their greed especially during the colonization period. Most poorest and most underdeveloped countries you see in the world today are once colonized by Western imperialist. China and India were the two biggest economy for thousands of years till 18 century, so they are not overtaking Anglo-American dominance, they are only coming back to where they belong. All empire rise and fall. It's the law of nature and no one can reverse it.

[@stevenmeyer8211]

Questions: Is the United States still the supple, flexible, learn by trial and error power it once was? Or, has it become an ossified corpocracy, a government of, by and for the people who own/control large corporations? For example, I can see the case for bailing out the people who would suffer by banking collapses. But what is the rationale for bailing out the banks themselves? Or bailing out the bankers?

[@tylerpark6223]

Dr. Peterson, what do you have to say of Christian churches, engaging in diversity, inclusion and equity? I’ve noticed it has become popular amongst mainstream churches, but I don’t know how one could be Christian yet support these ideas

[@graykennedycapital789]

Let’s run an anonymous survey asking countries in the global south who is more a totalitarian dictator to the rest of the world China or America? And which country is more moral? Which country has caused more cruelty and suffering since 1945?

[@DirtyEdon]

Most countries with vote USA as the worse

[@shawntucker9283]

If u want to survive the apocalypse you'll need You Tube and Jordan Peterson.

[@mirusvet]

@2.48 and "West's insistence to tell everybody how to live their life..."

[@stevehines7520]

great advice for a world of spectators. Kolon ization. from the greek kolon: limb of a body In relation to sacred writing kolon: carcase: the dead body of an animal. Watch the dead body of the animal. In this is also understanding. In relation to global populations this is the last phase of the imposed mindsets of men of the regions of the north. men who lived in a reality of limited resource of which was seen "not enough" hence the waring, the hoarding, the pilaging, the plundering. We have seen in recent generation the last of the spoils distributed. If one wishes to keep fighting things outside themselves one would have to ask oneself if fighting over any definition of a dead carcass has any value. What have we all been supporting? The dead carcass of systemic definition of which no longer contains, supports or even understands life. the solution, merely live free of any carcases weighing you down. Oh yes it is important to do no harm. Including to yourself.

[@Thomasinas]

I would highly recommend listening to The Duran. They are walking their listeners painstakingly, with lots of evidence, into an understanding of the massive geopolitical changes taking place under our noses. If The Duran are correct, and so far they have been mor right than wrong, this gentleman has not yet fully grasped the change that is taking place. Mr. Peterson, I have great respect for you, but please be careful about your political prognostications. In a year or two you may have to walk back a step or two.

[@arcsephiroth]

The fat one is a propaganda dog brainwashed 🤡. I have huge respect for JP as a psychologist for his analysis on human behaviour. But he hasn't got a clue about geopolitics and the history of the world. These people are still looking through their 200year western bs for answers and still think they are the moral standard but opposite is the Truth. It was India and China and the Middle East that were the superior races that thrived and the moral code of life came out of the Middle East and India. It has nothing to do with the West. West just hijacked the idea and used it to subjugate the rest and now it's falling apart. It's called KARMA.

[@Takeko1933]

Don’t forget about Brazil, that man in power who is one of the main protagonists of the comm of South and Central America.

[@ImAliveAndYouAreDead]

Brazil is essentially a weak giant, cruelly dependent on globalization. So is China, but it has agency.

[@johnwilliams-ni8cn]

its best to help others so they can help themselves. none can live an others life for them. those that try lose their own life, then try to force others to pay a debt for having lost it.

[@hunterfamilyacupuncture]

Democracy always fall apart.

[@user-ec5oc6pu6g]

The economic space in our world was shaped by the actors you guys described, but historically the global economy tilts towsrds who has the largest consumer market. Granted the British took over an india @ 23% of global gdp, and left it a dried out husk of 3% during the indian independence. Do not make your anglo saxon self, self righteous benevolent. Emotions aside the west will fall to its appropriate proportions within our world. Frankly most of human history, the west was meager part of the global economy. We are returning to this model.

[@TimBitts649]

How to get Russia on our side: learn to read maps. Russia has only 1 warm water port to trade with the world, that is on the Black Sea in Crimea. Let them trade, leave them alone, they will integrate on their own. But America wants to shut down Russian power in Crimea, an old Russian province. This is viewed in Russia as an existential threat as it shuts down their only warm water port, to trade with the world, get rich and integrate with the rest of the world. Learn to read maps: Rivers in Russia flow north, into the Arctic Ocean, you can't trade with the world, from the Arctic Ocean. Russia is largely a landlocked country, with poor access to the outer world, for trade. America is incredibly blessed with more ocean access on the Atlantic and Pacific Ocean, more than they need. American port access helped make America rich, through trade. There are not rivers in Europe that flow east to west, from Russia to Western Europe, for trade. This geography has slowed down Russian integration into the West, slowed it down by hundreds of years. Information on the Eurasian landmass, goods and people, don't flow very quickly, east to west, from Russia. This slowed down their integration. In fact aggression involving Russia went the other way: France and Germany invaded Russia, the Russians have no history of first strike territorial ambitions on Europe. Americans who say they do are projecting their own motives and hostility. This all is founded on geography. It was hard for Russia to invade the West, in the days of horses, it's too far to travel to France, Russia had no interest. So Russia always kept to itself, did it's own thing. Peter the Great, hundreds of years ago, realizing this geography was slowing down Russian integration into Europe, Peter constructed St. Petersburg at great expense. It's a port. But it's a cold water port in northern Europe, of limited use. All this demonizing of Russia needs to stop. America does not have a moral case for it's war on Russia, America has need to dominate Russia. Wall Street wants to dominate Russia, to enrich themselves, enrich the American 1%. In America, it's the economy, stupid. In Russia, it's the geography, ....Learn to read a map.

[@Athena621]

I don't understand the point you are trying to make. Luxembourg is considered one of the if not the wealthiest countries in Europe ... It's a completely landlocked country. Russia has limited access to the Baltic via Kaliningrad, it has access to the North Pacific. The Yiwu Madrid railway passes through Russian territory and can be utilized. Russia can connect southwards to the middle corridor of the China to Austria line and theoretically to the Arabian Sea. So, what's your point?

[@igorfoxly2555]

I mean, you're 100% correct. They told it many times at many moments of the history. Just give them this Crimea and trade. No, they almost managed Ukraine to become an warcraft airport to thread Russia. Of course they were not happy, moreover, they suggested to make Ukraine neutral. What was a response? Military equipment (old ones, by the way) were sent Ukrainians to fight Russia. That is so stupid, because, for example, Russia could help to cool down communist China. All of that what happens is pretty much sad to watch.

[@TimBitts649]

@@Athena621 Is Luxembourg rich on it's own? Did it get rich in isolation? Or is it surrounded by large European economies...very short distances away... it can trade with? Economies that are a very short geographic distance away? That's a very different geographic situation, than Russia. While you made a few good points, it doesn't change the fact that overall, geography severely limits the natural inclination of Russia to become a normal integrated part of Europe. That's why historically, Russia was very isolated. Canada is a big country, with most of it's ocean front in the Arctic, like Russia. So then why is Canada rich? It lives next door to the world's largest economy it can trade with. 80% of it's people live in 5 large cities, within an hours drive of the American border. It is culturally linked to America, speaks the same language, these are natural advantages that negate it's problem of being largely a country full of frozen tundra. My point is the features of geography inter-play with history to largely influence economics. Geography and then the communist revolution slowed down what should be occurring over time: Russian integration into the rest of Europe, culturally and economically. My point is, Trump was right: NATO is pointless now that the Soviet Union Collapsed, let's stop making up enemies. Trump said Russia should have been integrated into Europe after the collapse of the Soviet Union. He was right. Including a push for economic integration. Instead as Nigel Farage pointed out, America has spent the last ten years pushing for a war with Russia. It's America's fault, this war. not Russia. American Democrats in particular are part of this. I think they miss the Cold War, because most of their leadership are old people who spent most of their lives in the Cold War. It's the only reality they knew. They are living in the past, trapped in history, in past perceptions about political reality, no longer valid. Times have changed. They have not. Let's stop pretending it's still 1975. The Cold War gave Americans a common enemy and a reason to prop up the Military-Industrial Complex. When the Soviet Union collapsed they could have adjusted to the new reality of the world, but they didn't. They just made up a new enemy: Russia. So they made Russia the enemy. In a recent election, Hillary made up all kinds of fake stories for voters of supposed Russian collusion over election. It was all a fake cope, of people who could not leave the past behind. The Russians are no longer against capitalism. And they don't want to invade us, they just want to keep ethnic Russians safe. What's my point? This is about America not wanted to admit they won the Cold War, the purpose of NATO is no longer valid, it's just a money making thing for the American elites to generate profits by starting wars. My point is, America is now the villain.

[@richkamminga4283]

The intention of NATO is to keep a wedge between Germany and Russia. Its doing a good job.

[@user-xc7wq9qt1k]

@@TimBitts649 Take control of countries, divide them, harvest them to make money. just like England and Europe in the nineteenth century。They don't want a second USSR。Keep the interests, that's how the goverment work。

[@joem0088]

In Mead's idea of a 300y old trading system, he has left out many features of world trade. 1. The land trade within Eurasia between the like of Russia, China, Khazastan ... all the way to Africa, and of course what is inside a vast China, and an even vaster Russia are all outside thos 300y system. 2. The martime between 2 not-Western countries, say a port in Chile, and a port in Shanghai using China built ships, Saudi fuel, Chinese good and Chilean commodities, demoninated in say RMB using a non-Western payment system does not appear to be a part of this 300y old system MEAD is talking about. By extension, the growing South-South trade will be along these lines all outside the Western system except where it suits them to use the Western elements such as European insurance under-writing. Overtime with the growth of inland trade and South-South maritime trade, Meads framework will be exceeded anyway.

[@Snowdog070]

I hope that Jordan becomes an advisor to Pierre Poilievre when he is the PM. Maybe the synergy of Pierre's leadership skills and vision combined with Jordan's intellect, moral guidance and foresight will guide Canada away from its dalliance with autocracy under Trudeau and thereby influence other freedom-loving western democracies to follow. As an outsider looking in (like Jordan) I see the US under Biden as being very similar to Canada under Trudeau. No good will come of that in my opinion. The largest threat to what we've come to love and prosper by in the democratic west comes from the far left, not the far right in my opinion. We must all alter our course before it is too late.

[@kalbvulgari7746]

The first time legendary Dr. JP is off logical track I can't believe my ears.

[@floydffrogfloydffrog7453]

In what ways? Honest question.

[@archlich4489]

How so?

[@floydffrogfloydffrog7453]

@@archlich4489 In what ways is JP off logical track?

[@EdgyDabs47]

He's telling the bitter truth which Americans don't want to hear. We are sleepwalking into a world conflict, possibly WW3.

[@emanuellasker3650]

Once Adam The Namer understood his true objective primary ordering, he brilliantly designed the name Seth (G 5:3). And thus there were two lineages being Cain and Seth. Now, Cain, the Man of the Hoe, eager to spare his lineage from his reputation, named his son Enoch, and he built a city and called it Enoch. Therefore it is not too difficult to apprehend the approximate meaning of the name Enoch, and later refine it as your derivation takes shape. Remember that Adam's original language was lost at Babel (or was it?). But Seth named his son Enos. With effort, you can now crack the code sufficiently to begin, but perhaps more meditation is required... Seth's lineage sought the perfect spiritual inculcation that would result in a man whom the angel could hardly defeat. But the search by Cain's lineage gravitated to expressions of Cain's compelling character as the mighty man of labor that he was. The names, and inculcations, and characters of the two lineages were not unknown to each other, so there were influences, even by human reckoning... In the end, Seth's lineage usurped the name Enoch, and produced a sufficiently perfect man. Cain's lineage, with it's enduring emphasis on labor, produced a lusty, flamboyant killer. It is possible to detect a relation between the behavior of Lamech and Eve, and hence to hypothesize the signature of the angel. And indeed, this appears to be the penultimate purpose of relating all these events to us. It should be recalled that the second mention of the angel suggests his beast-like behavior, and how he now keeps out of sight. And as he manipulated Eve and Cain to his purpose, so does he to us. Art thou a son of Adam, the Man of Order? QED SEL

[@elektrotehnik94]

It was too complex for me to really understand it, but I hope some day I will be able to ❤

[@singtatsucgc3247]

I have ample respect for Peterson in the psychological field. Nevertheless, he is not an expert in international politics and political philosophy, and it seems that this is where he stumbles on this topic. First, there’s an exaggerated sense of moral probity of the existing order. Surely, the core Western countries may not find much attraction in emulating the multipolar challengers. However, if you take the view of countries such as Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc., that bear the brunt of Western aggression and exploitation, you may find that their view of the West is much less rose-tinted. Second, while a couple of centuries may be a long time compared to the human life span, history and cultures tend to work on longer timescales. A couple of centuries of domination (through beating challengers) does not extrapolate to a rule that the incumbent will always win. This is an inductive fallacy. Third, the multipolar challengers actually do have a good moral point, i.e., why the West should be entitled to the majority of the benefits of other countries’ resources and productions at their expense? This fundamental inequality, borne out of the legacy of colonialism, lies at the heart of the multipolar impetus. Fourth, Western societies suffer from the very corruptions and inequalities that it criticizes in other countries. The corporate oligarchy dominates governance and owns more and more of the economy, whereas the middle class is losing economic security and the poor is being left to rot. Economic inequality breeds social tensions, which may well erupt into violence and instability at some point. As to the moral decay of the contemporary West, surely Peterson knows more than anyone as this is his known expertise. It’s not at all evident (to borrow Peterson’s parlance) that the Western package is more attractive to the rest of the world than the ones offered by the multipolar proponents. This is the fallacy of the illusion of the “beacon on the hill”. Fifth,

[@newhorizons-novoshorizonte3102]

What is different this time around is that the Anglo world order became suicidal .

[@irreduciblerascal]

"!Stupid British!" -- you got that one right on!

[@JB-lovin]

Sometimes it’s a question, but just as often it’s merely a launch pad for an argument

[@mizukarate]

I like the Chess graphic.

[@Allan-mf1he]

I would like to here a discussion about BRICS and there international position would be interesting.

[@richkamminga4283]

Not from this guy, he's lieing far too much.

[@Allan-mf1he]

@@richkamminga4283 who do you mean?

[@richkamminga4283]

@@Allan-mf1he Maybe a better way to say it is to make sure you hear the other side too. Argentina is joining BRICS as well. Ben Norton has pretty good info

[@ulathomas37]

@@richkamminga4283 😂 you put it simple. I was thinking along those lines; It is only the western, Anglo-Saxon system that seeks to impose its “democracy” to the rest of the world. Live and let live is a better principle; every country evolves at its own pace and has the right to do so. He also missed to mention that, our so highly praised democracy has been hollowed out and it becomes increasingly more a centralised government, that is seeking to take complete control of our lives and our financial system (CBDC).

[@gautamanyerere3294]

Sorry Jordan on this one am inclined to disagree. In the instance of China, their loans that my country Zambia has gotten transformed the infrastructure landscape of our country in just the decade and long term opens up Opportunities for investment and growth. It's easy to make a judgement from the outside looking in but from liberalization to the China model there's no comparison.

[@samlair3342]

Freedom and opportunity are two inalienable spiritual tenets that have risen higher and higher ever since the Magna Carta.

[@mw3516405]

We know what the problems are ! The solution is needed; everybody is lost ! We need a leader ! The West is suffering the poor and lower middle! class Thank you ! It's our sorry leaders that got us here in the West; my opinion Manufacturing gone in the West!

[@bccanvas3050]

If our politicians had half of the Integrity this man has what a great country we would have every time a politician opened his mouth he's either lying or telling the joke

[@ericsonamaral7895]

Both gentlemen suffers (despite their intelligence) of the biased view that the Anglo-american model (as they called) is not corrupted, or violent. Countries in Latin America, Africa, Middle East, Asian know very well how corrupt and violent this Anglo-American model can be.

[@citylinkproject9901]

i agree with you they need to understand that the rest of the world has moved on , multipolar has far greater meaning than what they think

[@braveshine2579]

done.

[@kalunda5560]

Interesting point of view we shall see.

[@mn5499]

Jordan please check out the new discovery’s in the British constitution it’s massive

[@aljonserna5598]

Know what? it's funny since the way they play out they're like the CIS vs Grand Republic, hope it won't turn into that kind of Empire in the future

[@geneticsmatter3834]

Tiny hats are only 2% the US population yet are over 50% in all subversive movements - they were literally 100% of the Frankfurt School founders, for example.

[@sethchandler3299]

What are Tiny Hats?

[@sethchandler3299]

Oh, is it Jews? Everyone hates Jews again?

[@hannannah1uk]

@@sethchandler3299 antisemitc i guess.

[@paulharrold]

@@sethchandler3299 Yes he is a racist , and a member of the tiny mustache club goose stepping his way through life.

[@stirfrybry1]

@@hannannah1uk The algorithm won't let posters actually say ___s or it hides their comment. And why is everything antisemetic to you victim addicts. Nobody cares about your past. Stop bringing it up. And stop with the subversive bolshevik marxism or your hatred is well deserved

[@RitaHutchins]

Dear Mr Peterson, it makes perfect sense if you discount what is happening in South America, and most recently to Brazil. Bolsonaro was in the side of the free market. Not only that. Although he is a conservative and pro life, against drugs, and in favor of an effective police and Military, he’s also profoundly concerned about the Brazilian people. He’s the only líder during the pandemic who said it aloud: What about the guy selling cookies at the beaches. Anyway, he was right about lockdowns, about not needing to vaccinate if you already had the virus, etc. and he was running against one of the most corrupt regimes in the face of this planet. Lula and his robbed so much while all the time putting his Marxist friends in charge of all institutions. Biden had to know all this. Instead of leaning towards Bolsonaro he send a CIA 1 month before the election threatening him if he didn’t accept the results! All this government accompanied by the mídia fo, was to tell mostly slander against Bolsonaro while washing Lula or ignoring him completely, so people wouldn’t be so much against him. Lula gives Brazilian people money to all the left dictatorships from South America. His buddy Maduro had to refuse the invitation to go to his inauguration because of the danger of being captured by people interested in the money put on his head by the USA. After all that, how do you explain that? Biden is against US interests? Please explain that to me. Brazil is a huge country, feeds 1 billion people on this planet, has more than 200 million people. The election for who was paying attention was a fraud from before, during and after. The Supreme Court in Brazil are the dictators.

[@warrenbrewin950]

So great to hear from Mr Mead also.

[@vickystjohnhowe2540]

IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST ARCHANGEL MICHAEL AND THE DIVINE HOLY SPIRIT MAY ALL LIES BE CUT AWAY WITH HIS SWORD OF TRUTH AMEN 🙏❤

[@Sanguinarius9999]

Without some centralised power/control the corporations and innovations skew towards exploiting society and the environment.

[@joem0088]

Russell Mead's frame work of world politics is that of a 300y old anglo-saxon maritime trading system founded on then basically "Christian" moral and values. He reckons it has been good for everywhere in the world, still is, and this framework appears to correspond to the concept of "end of history" (this last comparison is mine, not Mead's). Well allow me to point out that this framework gave rise to a great deal of misery and killed many millions for the benefit of the Brits/Anglo's. 3 examples which comes to mind is slavery from Africa to the Caribeans and America, just as one example of almost world-wide colonialism, and the exploitation of India by some account to the tune of 40 trillion dollars value not to mention the massacred, and thirdly, on British morals, a national which grew opium in India and forced China to accept opium import by force of war (the Opium Wars). If this is the shiney moral foundation which Mead wants the world to subscribe, I am afraid many will object. This was a thoroughly exploitive jingoistic system to the benefit of the Anglo-Saxon world alone, rest of world be damned. I would over-reach my qualifications by providing a full criticism of this currently liberal or neo-liberal trading system. Let me just point out today many of these exploitive features still exist. Anglo-Saxon capital using a so called rule based system to buy or control world's productive assets, commodities, and labour. It is a world where most of cannot be truly soverign (except for those few fighting against it), where those with capital inherited from the days of slavery and colonialism enjoy (some would say suck) the fruits of world's labour of billions and the resources of other lands. The tensions in the world today (and ancient times) are no different from tensions of the French Revolution ... the exploited people resisting the exploitors/privileged claiming moral cover of some "church". Had it been a fairer world, had this 300y old "system" actually worked for the likes of India, and Africa, today's geopolitical tensions would either not exist or at least not so threatening to human existence. Who are the so called bad actors in this Mead's world system ? 1. China. A civilisation state of thousands of year humiliated by century of British sea power, which is trying to break out of this cycle of servitude. They are not promoting their current system to be cloned by other nation. BRI is a trading system. In the long run they may not keep this current singularly focussed catch up approach. They may well jettison it for something different when they get to a certain point of development. 2. Russia. A priced pursued by Napoleon, H1tler both of the West though not British. The West loudly proclaims Russia should be Balkanised. Less loudly is the plan to carve up and exploit the breaken pieces droulling at the corners of the mouth. Now the West cannot seriously expect Russia not to experience existential threat under this droulling. Few people believe that Russia and the West will NOT enter a world ending nuclear exchange at some stage of conflict with the West. 3. IRAN. It had a perfectly loved and legitimate elected leader Mosseddah but this great 300y old trading system was not satisfied that he would reduce Western interests in Iran oil, so the CIA replaced him with a dictatorial Shah. The rest, as they say as history. The Anglo system has been bullying Iran and get the blow back ever since. My conclusion, those who wish this 300y old Mead's framework to have another thousand years, really should not feel too morally superior or too certain of it's future. Egypt, Greece, Rome, the Mongols, the Ottomans ... all great in their own ways, all believe in their absolute right to rule the world, all declined. Just look at the UK today, about to lose even Scotland. Look at the division within a de-industrilised America. Just look at Christianity on which Western morality is based. How many of you reading this, claiming moral high ground, still go to church or call yourselves a Christian ?

[@CollectiveAction664]

I found your analysis right but you look only at the last three centuries. What about the ancient Greek regime. They were also building their empire but with democratic commitments. Remember the citizens, or a part of them decided to go to the imperialist Peloponnesian war. Anyway, I think only a more democratic regime could shape the Anglo-Saxon liberalism. Remember that Solon, a jury, brought democracy in Greece by managing the private debt and decentralised power.

[@jess3591]

An interesting thought occured as I listened to this brilliantly illuminating discussion. Overthrowing the current system hasn't seemed to result in much positive change historically, but peaceful disobedience has been able to make some headway in the past. Perhaps the key is trading an "I'll show these oppressive idiots who's boss" mentality for an "I'm willing to work with anyone who respects my life and liberty, but I'm not playing ball with tyrants" approach. Maybe instead of raging against the machine to destroy it, sitting back and refusing to give the machine any more of the time, energy, attention and money on which it thrives until amend and repairs are made to the broken parts would yield less chaos and destruction.

[@seanhamty3122]

And for the first time i find myself not agreeing with Mr.Peterson's words...still love his work though

[@anisaampatuan]

Two new energy technologies we can deploy today: Brillouin Energy CEC fusion energy, and Andrea Rossi Leonardo Corporation zero point energy.

[@garthwatson8356]

one more is our carbon conversion tech that produces all forms of energy in anemissions free process using even garbage & coal as inputs

[@vivekkrishnan.r7811]

Yes...The world started just 300 years ago...

[@gaetanomontante5161]

My dear Jordan, what you say about the systemic "innovation" in the USA system of economics was generally right, ...until it no longer was right. Technologically it may still seem right. But there is so much more to social Life that when everything else in society has gone down the shit-well, then the greatest inventions or innovations in the world are not going to save that society from obliteration. Unfortunately --or perhaps fortunately-- this is already happening to the USA and no apologia from anyone, including you Jordan -a man I much love, is going to change that fact or that prognosis.

[@nitishkumar.v3928]

India 🇮🇳 will rise

[@angel-000]

Love this man! But, I don't agree with everything he says. I am a Canadian and have been in China since 2005. It has its drawbacks, but many of the negative attributes associated with China are very bias. They are evil, but I believe all thes so called Democratic, Capitalistic governments are no different. Crime in the developed Eastern region of China is very minimal. All governments that span the globe have things to hide and sweep under the rug. I love Canada, I love the World and the Anglo technique of world domination is well expressed in the book "Tragedy and Hope" by Carrol Quigley, who lays it all out. His other books also explain the domination by Anglicanism and the blueprint to where we are now. Keep up the good work Dr. Peterson. You need to run for Prime Minister!!

[@kyleganse4978]

Jordan Peterson should have Peter Zehian on. I will read more into this guy since he has some key differences from him.

[@matiasrodriguez6981]

Blindness...absolute blindness to western sins.

[@nelsonang]

while the observation that we are in a predominantly anglo-american international construct can hardly be disputed, surely the brits didn’t invent trade... is there a different way to explain the genesis of what we are witnessing today? also, where i’m born and have lived since - singapore - monolithic centralised planning worked for the first 30+ years and for the last 2 decades or so we are smashing up against the wall... just that it has yet to totally disintegrate hence we choose to lie to ourselves that all is good...

[@floydffrogfloydffrog7453]

Peterson makes the point of adding the qualifier "liberal" which presumably makes it ie. liberal trade different to the sort of trade that carried on before, To be honest I don't know history well enough to be able to comment on that but I can say that the distinction was clear and appears to be relevant.

[@nelsonang]

@@floydffrogfloydffrog7453 good point 😊

[@eddydask2656]

Let's drop what has already been said by Chinese, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, French... What is not said is what to do with the consequences of savage environmental destructions behind screens of moral, efficiency and superiority and the wars that follow them in other countries. We all must bow to this Anglo-Saxon vision for the world in the early 80s and its correct further implementation, indeed. To say to be happy with it maybe belongs to applied social sciences.