What happens to consciousness when clocks stop? | Bernard Carr & Bernardo Kastrup

[@minsungderstandings]

As a 21 year old, I feel very grateful to see the Internet being used for this type of things, seeing professionals and wise people from older generations starting to speak about these issues, even if that many times means they can lose their reputation or even their job. I wish us, the younger generations, can follow your legacy and be the ones to shift the paradigm... I don't think it's impossible, as my generation has overall been raised in a more non-material environment (videos, Internet, videogames, hearing about simulation theories... I'd say we've engaged more with the Internet and information than with the material/physical world). The amount of people my age I've met who think "the material world is just one layer of reality but there's definitely more than just it" is pretty huge I'd say, but not enough. I just wish there were more people from my generation watching this kind of videos.

[@Corteum]

Dont wish it. Create it.

[@minsungderstandings]

@@Corteum I'll try! :)

[@georgiagm]

If you are here watching this, talking about it... You are part of the paradigm revolution. ❤️

[@ZM-dm3jg]

It doesn't matter. The next generation is AI, not zoomers. Zoomers are the first generation of humans who will contribute nothing to the world, because AI will do everything.

[@taiwansivispacemparabellum9546]

Stay grounded, we are still third dimensional beings experiencing space time in sequential events.

[@davidmayhew8083]

I lived in a electricity free environment for nine months in a redwood forest. Just propane and fire wood. No watch or clock. In the first two months I noticed subtle changes. My thoughts began to rhyme. Then I seemed to have no thoughts bouncing around in my head. I got up as soon as the sun came up over the nearby mountains and was in bed and sound asleep within a half hour after it went down. I got to where I could easily know the time of day by inflections in the light. When I had to move back into the city I was appalled by electric light and hated clocks. My forest stay was the most at peace I've ever been.

[@michaelodriscoll]

Nature knows best, not nurture. Namaste 🙏

[@bunberrier]

How you know this is the good kind of debate is because the participants are delighted to hear the reasoning of those who disagree, because everyone wins. Their hope for the discussion is an advancement of knowledge and not an elevation of their ego, or the furthering of a narrative they wish to establish.

[@estebandevile2706]

El ego del fuego no existe en la misma frecuencia densa. El fuego y su ego son superiores a cualquier ego así que... La verdad la supremacía es algo que no podemos dejar de anhelar.

[@prabhuganesanin]

Advaita Vedanta, a philosophical school within Hinduism, has been articulated for over 3,000 years. Advaita Veda prove that this life is an illusion. Please refer Advaita. You will learn more about life.

[@estellescholtz5619]

But listen to the conversation between Kastrup and Maudlin.

[@FellowHuman137]

One of my favourite days of my life was after years of playing guitar, one day i was improvising a guitar solo with a band and i realised i was hearing the music i was going to play before i played it whilst playing in time with the other band members, it was such a cool paradigm shift for my brain.

[@miguelwabi9484]

When that happens you are the instrument, not the guitar. The music was already there and came to us throughout you.

[@lucyhanks500]

I heard he’s favourite was called Sophie; figures… if only he hadn’t of been that weirdly familiar and as short as me…amazing how youth blinds people to their future or the lack of it, god knows what young peoples sensibilities would be like if money really did grow on trees, particularly in todays age of mass consumption…where is stimulus & value formulated. I suppose as a teenager, socialising with people with interests in science and the creative fields, invention, food algorithms or making your own radios out of components meant a lot of interests; never recognising these traits as mildly on the spectrum didn’t prepare me for the world of tin can sustenance and wind in the willows gossip and libel whispers from which I’m quite sorely sour and inpinged yet isolated by. It really is quite strange to watch people paint portraits of grotesque Loch Ness monster type creatures. I wonder if there was no internet, if it would even be possible to be a stranger in the community…yet ‘online’ appears a weapon in the arsenal for many people of honesty, time and time again; only yesterday I heard my sister say she was dreading the return of her father to her house, like a strategy and hindrance I’d never known, a portrait i didn’t personally recognise even…how really very peculiar.

[@lucyhanks500]

Of course, they’d have to be a potential escape room machine, to have the patience to sit through an entire scan of Jayne aire, since there’s no metaphorical second flaw window and porch roof to climb out of the social mechanical lock-in. I notice however that there is an issue with sustenance and stimulus for the mind outside of oneselves and one’s own ability to create stimulus & wonderment, measuring culture & supply. All the knives I see are of dreams and fantasies of oneself being different to what one wishes and expects; although knowingly sounding like a job for a psychologist, my response/reaction to what sounds like a 50 year old posing as a teenage joke could clearly be misconstrued… and since no one wants to admit their foibles and vanities openly I could easily smell a potential noose. Maybe it’s the drug of feeling superior to humanity or another human being of lesser means and lesser tools which proves the hardest cycle to break. But then as a person speaking on the internet, because I apparently don’t speak any form of tangible English language, I suppose my tools are far inferior to the death of a truthful sense of humanity and it’s aptitude to generate power, prestige and impressiveness. I assure you my attraction to the comment was purely from a comedic enthusiasm and not to zealously predate on any youth to self medicate any missing gaps in my own impeded life experience.

[@solemnwaltz]

When I listen to a song I already know, I more or less hear the whole song at once in my head If not hear, at least have a roadmap

[@agentacey]

You jumped into the channel. Delicious.

[@matthewlaham6809]

I've watched this twice, and I'm not ashamed to say I'm not stoned enough to understand this

[@apeacypisces]

Just got stoned so I'll let you know if it helps 😂

[@CatsInHats-S.CrouchingTiger]

Exactly! You’ve thought of your stoned self, with the mind in the state of stoned, with your present non-stoned captured by both present self time and the future self time outside the mechanism of this state. Your species present just explained with our presences (the readers of your comment) who read and also understand the states you explained. Your experience of time has no distinction of your past, and your future and we all understood it! 😆😂 Time is the multiplayer.

[@Hermes-TheMessenger]

@@CatsInHats-S.CrouchingTiger You're making me light one up too 🤣 I will sum up what you said the best I can, tell me if I got it right: The brain is physical yet the mind is non-physical thus allowing humans to explore past and future selves. The body is anchored in the present moment but it can receive and feel past and future sensations/emotion(pain for example).

[@jimmybailey7198]

Lol, funny you should say that, getting there! Lol

[@lilspagbol3537]

Hahahaaaa

[@jericosha2842]

Grateful for the long discussion.

[@_creighton]

I adore the dedication of a couple of hours of 'time' to explore and play and oscillate a bit with the notions and concepts of this complexity and not seek, or strive to oversimplify it into a few minutes and a few small sound bytes.

[@Meditation409]

THE BEST CHANNEL I EVER SUBSCRIBED TO!!! This is absolutely mind-blowing! This is a golden moment! It is so great to know that this topic is being acknowledged and actually evolving because as Bernard Carr has stated... Physics need to advance and its almost inevitable that it Will Advance! This episode was priceless. I love your team and I look forward to seeing Even more great discussions. 🙏❤️

[@dennisoort7511]

I just love these philosophical discussions ❤

[@dinatelt5144]

This type of discussions are the only ones worth having. Thanks

[@SandNebula232]

Really? We can’t discuss stuff like the weather, or what we had for lunch?

[@dinatelt5144]

No, with me you can not 🤷‍♀️

[@blunttlynxx1973]

@@SandNebula232 you can have them with me - that person can not have those types of conversations because THESE types of discussions aren’t those types of discussions. This is wrong :)

[@larryfisherman6449]

I am exactly 4:15 in and was already blown away by what I was hearing, and then you cut to the start of the interview and it finally hit me. I clicked on a interview not a quick video and I got very excited. Instant subscriber !

[@FlorisV82]

Absolutely gorgeous Philosophy, physics and Psychology will soon connect with the endeavors in arts. Honoring the lineair worthlessness of words and still searching for the perhaps simplest secrets of our experiences (if we see words as a tool to touch reality with). In the end, transitioning from “either or thinking” I am convinced that the present harnesses every possible concept. Once Consciousness focuses on experiencing time, this allows us to experience potential field energies and particle energy simultaneously, which allows us to transfer idea into matter and vice versa. Fundamentally, conscious experience coinciding with what we call time is flow and timelessness at the same time.

[@user-uo9zx8rk2d]

Could consciousness & time be the exact same thing?

[@THEmomentumJUNK1E]

Hmmm. I like the way you write. Are you a professional or amateur creative writer?

[@prabhuganesanin]

Advaita Vedanta, a philosophical school within Hinduism, has been articulated for over 3,000 years. Advaita Veda prove that this life is an illusion. Please refer Advaita. You will learn more about life.

[@rachellane2836]

This was a GREAT discussion! Thank you all! It's great to see the work progressing into deeper and deeper conversations rather than surface discussions. This is how paradigms are shifted and created!

[@ScaryStoriesNYC]

It's all the Bernards in one place! A truly Saintly event!

[@theLUCYCOWAN]

"Time" is such a crucial basic component of music that I think it would be useful to include the musical aspect of time in future discussions

[@merlinwarage]

Time and timing are two different things. You talk about timing, what is nothing to do with time. Btw, the basic component of music is math.

[@NUTTSwagger]

Love seeing these discussions without ego taking over. Well spoken and easy to digest. Haven't looked at the rest of your content, but if its half this conversation you got my sub. Look forward to seeing more, thank you

[@michaeltarlowski9316]

This is SERIOUSLY the most fascinating stuff I've been exposed to in years. Thank you.

[@aaronfromohio8895]

What a discussion. I truly cannot get enough. Thank you, sincerely!

[@godwho5365]

Bernardo the metaphysical rockstar and Bernard the dark knight of contemporary physics in one room! Long live Essentia Foundation!

[@CognizantApe]

😎✔️

[@6ghastlyghoul9]

@@brian5001you know what’s not useful? Actually existing as an organism

[@prabhuganesanin]

Advaita Vedanta, a philosophical school within Hinduism, has been articulated for over 3,000 years. Advaita Veda prove that this life is an illusion. Please refer Advaita. You will learn more about life.

[@_creighton]

When I first heard Bernardo speak on Idealism and his trek out of the Materialist Mindset... It was like encountering a pool of clear, cool water in the desert. And each point and distinction revealed a kinship of Conscious Experience that resonated and supported my unique experiences to this point in Life. Then, while exploring Bernardo's sharings, that led to the work of Bernard Carr... which was like finding a feast arrayed in the shade of beautiful tree at that Oasis.

[@quadruplelatte]

What a privilege to be able to listen to this interesting conversation! ❤

[@hairystyles2]

And lastly, (sorry for ranting) @44:31 it reminds me of Hegel's "Phenomenology of Spirit." I always try and clarify this debate by using the analogy, "That which sees you through my eyes, is the same as to that which sees me through yours." Meaning, that the supreme consciousness that dwells within all things, is in and of itself, all of those things. We are just coming to the state of awareness that allows us to rationally understand and experience this. In Lak’ech Ala K’in "I am another yourself" "I AM, is my name forever and ever" there are many instances of this understanding in ancient mystical texts

[@heinzgassner1057]

Just imagine a mountain valley that got completely cut off from the world and has the strange metrological phenomenon of being fully in fog 365 days a year. There are some ‘religions’ in this valley, believing in a blue sky but the philosophers and scientists of this valley are debating and debating, many ‘proofing’ that his blue is just an emerging phenomenon of fog. Then imagine, someone leaning the art of climbing and succeeding to actually see the blue sky. This climber (mystic) would have a very hard time when returning and joining the discussions of the scientific elite of this metaphorical valley. Having experienced blue sky or having NOT experienced blue sky makes a big difference. According to my experience, there comes the point in every journey for understanding reality, where you need to learn how to climb and take the risk to leave the discussion table of reasoning and start your first person experiment.

[@jaywalkercrew4446]

Well put.

[@ryanpongracz8051]

Yeah, it's called DMT, it will reveal everything and more than you can comprehend.

[@jichaelmorgan3796]

I've come to the conclusion that materialism/physicalism/scientism is just intellectual conservatism that maintains the status quo. It's not hard for us to imagine putting a sentient ai (which may or may not happen at some point, but this is just a thought experiment) in an advanced simulation, with no knowledge of the outside world, trained with a strict physicalist/materialist world view. It would be fun to know how a strict physicalist/materialists would feel if it was his job to convince the ai that his world view could be off. I know it wouldn't really be a hard job, because the ai lacks ego like ours and it's not trying to protect the status quo.

[@NiekLodewijkx]

Plato's cave

[@wojohowitz5432]

I am at this exact point in my journey. I can only have conversations with my imagination as no one in my family or friendship circle wants to have anything to do with my questions or answers. I however, just answered one of my own questions : Is this awareness or just delusion? The synchronicity of this YT conversation as well as your comment, allowed me to move forward and upward, beyond the valley of fog. I don't know exactly when I started my own first person experiment, but it must have been many years ago as I have felt a lonely-ness for a long time. This is why I seek out conversations in the comment section. YT lately, deletes everything I post regardless of what I type.

[@cheri238]

Thank all of you, gentlemen , for an amazing conversation.. 🙏❤️🌍🌿🕊🎵🎶🎵

[@nix811318]

Bernard Carr's open mindedness makes him the most evolved of all of them 💯💯

[@B-Killin]

Thank you all for recording these conversations.

[@paulkolberg7661]

Well done to all participants and thank you for this video. It is refreshing to witness a respectful and well-reasoned discussion. It did however occur to me that in coming to an understanding and answers to the key points raised, it is perhaps essential and helpful to first define what is meant by: 1. "Mind" 2. "You" and 3. "I". Who (or what) is it that is asking the questions and who (or what) is it that is aware of the very points that are under discussion? Once the answers to those questions are understood, the discussion perhaps points to some deeper understandings.

[@ArlindoPhilosophicalArtist]

Brilliant conversation! Superb! I learned a lot! I love the analogy that was used during the topic about Alex Gomez Marin's presentation 'The Consciousness of Neuroscience'. Marin mocks the notion that the mind is what the brain does by pointing out that time isn't just what the clock does. Bravo! 👏🏻😄👌🏻

[@CJ-kq3oh]

Great conversation! Glad they can openly disagree with one another and discuss the nuances of their positions.

[@drjoannakujawaspiritualdet3407]

I love that Bernard Carr insists on the spiritual aspect in his model. It is consistent with many esoteric traditions. I love the show, I just wish there were fewer interruptions/ads. A great show though. 💝

[@natashanandini]

It is possible to experience the past, present, and future, and to be everyone else that you see in front of you simultaneously. I have had this experience where I felt I was the people I saw in front of me: mother and child, the dog and the dog walker, even the blade of grass. Objects lose their distinguishing elements as subjective awareness takes over. While the experience is exhilarating and blissful, it is very difficult to function in today’s world while in that state. For one thing, the blood pressure drops uncontrollably, and the bliss even becomes painful. From a Kashmiri Shaivite perspective, Consciousness and the illusory world are symbolized in the iconic figure of Shiva as the Cosmic Dancer. His immovable, vertical axis represents pure Consciousness (associated with Shiva), while the horizontal axis exemplified by his whirling limbs represents time, space, and movement (associated with his Shakti, energy), which is the world of illusion. Everything exists, all at once, as pure potential within Shiva Consciousness. The world, from the viewpoint of individual consciousness, is a dispersed fragment of the whole. To experience you being me is a higher state accessible through surrendering the individual I-consciousness. This involves the collapse of the barriers of the individual’s sphere of the mind. Thank you for this valuable discussion.

[@markrichter2053]

Well put.

[@THEmomentumJUNK1E]

Your description, and subsequent organized formulation of a distinct structure to these fundamental concepts, is both elegant and encompassing. I too believe as you do in everything you've described concerning perspective, consciousness, potential, oneness, movement through the one existence of everything and our individual viewpoint in it. I ask you though, if what you described is the case, to consider this question: Why?

[@natashanandini]

@@THEmomentumJUNK1E thank you. Can you elaborate on your question?

[@THEmomentumJUNK1E]

@@natashanandini Yes...

[@THEmomentumJUNK1E]

@@natashanandini To avoid confusion. My question Why is not asking why you believe this. It is asking, if your holistic comprehension, your divine understanding is true and manifest. I believe it is... Have you after reaching, accepting, incorporating this definition, came to wonder why such an understanding should come into existence? What reason does existence have to contain such a pure description of itself so real within and around you?

[@philosophybabble]

Thank you for this episode! Featuring two of my all-time favorite thinkers.

[@gameaudioshaman]

Thanks to guys like this we are beginning to ask the important questions of life again even in mainstream. Thx chaps

[@robfisher2263]

The Chan/Zen Buddhism tradition has been discussing mind/experience for millennia. Eihei Dogen Zenji's Shobogenzo essay 'Uji' (being-time) is exactly some of what is discussed here. Also the Lankavatara sutra explicitly clarifies these questions of mind, time, being , self etc. I hear Bernardo say things that seem to be modern translation of such writings (in a more scientific language of course) and I smile, because I feel that it is spot on! Bernard's hierarchy of consciousness resonates with me too. I think of it as 'fractal' consciousness, where complex systems will have a sense of experiencial 'self' although not necessarily cling to it (it seems that is a very human problem!) Very fascinating discussion, thank you for bringing us such a professional, academic and constructive talk!

[@ADAMBLVCK]

Exactly this. Ancient texts, Western Tradition, Vedanta, and other fringe philosophers of the occult have been describing what these academics are now discussing, and although I'm happy it finally reaches a bigger audience, I can't help but cringe inside when they cite that some philosopher from 25 years ago coining some basic concept of mind, which was being discussed and practised in rituals for THOUSANDS of years... like wtf academics, do first sources not matter to you?!

[@jokrg]

This is a fun discussion! In the sci-fi book series “RISE OF THE MOMENTS” by C. Gabriel, there is an exploration of time and how it factors into the experience of consciousness. Very cool stuff!

[@AlanMalone1723]

Thank you for this conversation.

[@deborahhebblethwaite1865]

Very interesting. I realize not even being a scientist that I believed in the block universe and have for sometime now. I like the idea that as you go up into higher dimensional realities, you see a broader picture ….that I hadn’t thought of., I think the block universe does Include from the past into the future because our universe seems to have a beginning and an end so I do not know why the future wouldn’t be there as well. I would think that we are on all levels of the higher dimensional realm and create focal points. That might explain intuition and gut instincts. Actually it sounds like fun. 🇨🇦🙏

[@fallout_patty]

17:22 - I don’t want to look through the telescope > ignorance is bliss. What a beautiful concept. I imagine most people have felt this at one time or another.

[@asunhug]

39:53 " .. The whole history of science has been a steady parade of demonstrations of .... what we make of experiences- being wrong ---- -- to say that what we make of our expierience is wrong- is not to say we didn't have the experience- what we make of it and transform into words may be wrong - " Bernardo ---Yessssss

[@PeterNæss-w5w]

Interesting and inspiring. Thank you.

[@claudionerone]

this conversation is wonderful, thank you very much. looking forward to the video contributions of the conference. thumb up

[@nil0355]

2:23:53 Carr: "...may be the division between quantum and classical is to do with the spacious present of the observer.... a being with a larger spacious presence much larger domain would appear to be quantum. On the other hand, a being with a much smaller spacious present a lot of the quantum world would appear as classical." What an amazing thought!

[@surrendertoflow78]

This so my jam! Wish I was sitting at the table in real time. Please have another round where Bernardo is able to expand on his idea about solving the third metaphysical (decomposition) problem with a multi-dimensional model of time. He first brought up this specific point in this video around minute 30, and then again later in the interview but unfortunately wasn’t able to elaborate further at either time because of getting interrupted. I understand Bernard’s multi-dimensional view of time and how it relates, but Bernardo said the decomposition problem solution has to do with mind talking to itself across different timelines, which sounds somewhat distinct from the hierarchical time scales in Bernard’s model. Please do another video where Bernardo is able to speak more about how he is personally thinking of the solution to the decomposition problem! I really think he is onto something! (And Bernard too, of course…his model is intuitively spot on for me.)

[@paulgarrett3608]

Brilliant time experience listening to the discussion!! Thank you!! My little input - ‘there is only consciousness’ all is experienced within it. 😊😊🙏🙏

[@DrDorothyParker]

I agree we live in multi-dimensional spaces. When I observe my individual self I cannot see the oneness of all, but when I experience expanded consciousness I experience the ones of the all!

[@E-Kat]

From time to time I very reluctantly tell the story of my four year old son, who wrote a computer program (in variation of Basic) for ZX-81 to draw a shape, without ever seeing any computer program written anywhere!! His dad was looking at the book which came with it, so he couldn't even have a peek into it. Most of people write really awful comments when I share this, but by now, I've developed a thick skin. Our son is still like that and can work in completely unknown to him field after giving the problem a thought. He finds everyday life and people extremely hard to get on with, as no one understands him. People keep looking for him, even coming to my house, offering him jobs. It's a nightmare not happiness. I'd prefer if he had a manual job and was happy.

[@MichaelNoon]

Wow like he’s plucking the information from ether like it’s all ready out there he’s just tapping into it.. amazing

[@MeRetroGamer]

Kastrup has an incredibly neat intuition about the nature of time. I sympathize with the difficulty he experiences trying to put it in words, so frustrating! 😅

[@REDPUMPERNICKEL]

I am reading comments before watching the video but I'll bet it tuns out that his trouble is caused by his mistaking the temporal concept for an objective actuality. I'll get back to this comment after watching...

[@laika5757]

3 great minds taking us to a higher level of thinking. Thanks much 👍

[@arlinegeorge6967]

Beautiful conversation, Thank you love and peace to all

[@Im_No_Expert_72]

Fascinating. Brilliant. Thank you 🙏☦️

[@o74769]

This format is better than the one with video conference..

[@drjoannakujawaspiritualdet3407]

Fantastic program. Thank you.💝

[@chaote2069]

we are energy trying to see itself❤🙏🙃

[@musicincana]

❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@SOLIDSNAKE.]

Pshycdelics taught me, time is infinite and we are all one

[@jono77]

That means absolutely nothing to everyone else but good for you

[@CatsInHats-S.CrouchingTiger]

@@jono77you just don’t want to make your connection. However, we can all connect to the understanding of the message if we lock into our own experience of the Unity.

[@larseriksson1184]

Time cant be infinite because it would be impossible to traverse infinite time. We would never get here If we started from infinite past.

[@kilokilo89]

@@larseriksson1184hmm. what if time is as put on a loop, in a circular path, and it’s just always existed and always will. How would we not be able to get here? Just because there’s not an origin point?

[@ADDISON396]

Psychadelics taught my friend the complete opposite. With this in mind, maybe psychadelics aren't the best epistemological tool to figure out truth.

[@rombr820]

It was crazy and genius at the same time, greeting from Brazil, Kastrup. Please, don't forget your homeland.

[@francescoangeli1087]

Regarding Smolin: as I understand, he thinks reality is truly temporal, so there is real introduction of novelty. The future is open, not already given. The present is special because that's where real dynamics are, where real action is. But it's not a static present, as in certain idealism (which conceives time as illusory and "true reality" as eternal or atemporal hence "static"). It's rather an ever changing present, truly dynamic. So in that regard he's quite close to Bergson’s view, which I summarised in my previous comment.

[@soulembraced369]

Time is what Now, makes for us to play in 😊😊😊

[@alicearcturus8610]

Thank you! I love a good discussion around a big wood table.

[@thomasschon]

Consciousness is something that is happening. I sometimes refer to it as this. You are not a noun but a verb who is experiencing an adjective. You are literally happening.

[@aaaaancly]

What great lighting and videography....and content of course but the production is very nice indeed.

[@commentjudger5009]

Note to self. This is not the type of conversation you can listen to- whilst painting a room-and walk away with any degree of understanding. The quality of information is far too dense for casual listening 😅

[@CatsInHats-S.CrouchingTiger]

You’re underestimating your abilities to receive intuitive information while you’re doing something with your paint rollers! 😝

[@evaonodi9535]

I'm painting a trellis😂

[@cretinousswine8234]

Most whitest dad comment

[@kamilbraszka6805]

Ahaha I work as a painter and often listen to this kind of stuff. Yes…I had some project delays recently 😂

[@kaydi123]

It's truly the Best. As you did retain it subconsciously. So you got the best and no questioning judgement. Whoop whoop ❤ actually the best way hehe. Amazing

[@acllhes]

Interesting way to look at it. I view it as some sort of cloud of consciousness that we get ideas from when we tune into the right channel. Which is why two can receive the same idea/thought at the same time. I chalk intuition up to it as well. I just need a little information to tune into a channel and I get the entire line of thought in an instant. The brain I think is more of an antenna that receives signals/ideas as opposed to creating them. Which is why dementia patients seem to come back for a moment and then lose the signal and it’s not them anymore. Very interesting perspective here and I’m rethinking my understanding of this. 🥃

[@Avatar_2025]

like attracts like. It is all about frequency and resonance.

[@TheMax200g]

This discussion led me to reflect on what I believe about time. Past, present and future are human events only experienced as models through the lens of the present. Their duration varies as a function of elapsed attention paid to the change experienced to different degrees in different states of consciousness. Consciousness is experienced as an emergent property as time is fundamentally an experience of change experienced now and interpreted by the self.

[@6ghastlyghoul9]

Hello, can anyone elaborate on what Bernard was speaking about at 1:30:00? If we remove their identities and look at them as atoms occupying space like galaxies in the vastness of space, that's a beautiful picture but Bernard is an identity because those atoms are organized, have attractions and functions. How can it be argued that they are one in the same in any dimension or scale? What function does this idea have in physics? What are the implications

[@alisherabdullah5381]

we are one

[@Meditation409]

Donald Hoffman would have been an awesome addition to this discussion!! ❤️

[@mrkcioffi]

Yes Agreed! Hoffman would really round it all out, his work is amazing. But the aspect that strikes me the most is that all these disciplines are now pointing to the same jump in our understanding. That the dimension of consciousness is real, and the Universe is fundamentally a mind. Blows me away!.

[@dueldab2117]

If you want to be bored yeah.

[@THEmomentumJUNK1E]

I have been considering this for quite some time now, and I would say that my understanding is become sufficiently refined. I am ready to start asking the bigger questions. If only i could find someone to ask them to who can relate to them and help me consider/develop them. Based on the understanding that existence is probabalistic in nature. I am developing a model to describe and discover an understanding for how mind interacts with the landscape of time dimensions in the probability field which spans all spacetime.

[@bipolargamechanger]

Can someone please tell me what Bernard Carr is saying @2:55...something like "species present" (I've never heard this term and I don't think it's what the subtitles say). Thanks!

[@AuroCords]

This is awesome! Makes so much sense, thank you

[@fabslyrics]

Brilliant discussion and greetings from Paris and another time and consciousness :)

[@egidijagalginaite]

A fantastic discussion! Thank you! ❤

[@psyfiles7351]

Beautifully created! So cool

[@Time-Shepherd.]

Time & space is undeniably consciousness! I wrote a song in relation to that metaphysical cul-de-sac 6 year's ago. 🎵❤️‍🔥

[@patrickl6932]

Wow- Sunday treat!

[@Meditation409]

It's definitely a wonderful surprise...waking up on Sunday to a deep discussion....This is my breakfast!!

[@S.G.Wallner]

"Respectable speculation," is a concept Bernard brought up. It got me thinking.

[@kayakMike1000]

Speculation is the first step in making a hypothesis.

[@jewishgenes]

You mean, Respectulation? 😅

[@titussteenhuisen8864]

With precognition it is important to make a difference between accessing memory from self or from others and the benefit to self and others. In general the term memory is important in many fields of this type discussion.

[@juang4618]

This is a fascinating and interesting discussion! But I wonder, have any of these physicists, philosophers or psychologists ever practiced and learned how to abide in complete mental stillness, ie. "no mind"? It seems to me the great mystics throughout history have had definitive experiences of what the panel is talking about. They have described how to learn to abide in this space and they have attempted to describe the indescribable by telling us what it is not. I think that experience would inform the opinions of these experts significantly!

[@ADAMBLVCK]

It's true, and sadly academics's won't ever describe the indescribable, because any description must always negate a part of the whole, which is the foundation of Idealism.

[@ajay4319]

I'm pretty sure if I rewatch this and I'll still learn something new.

[@amartinakis]

This one is to be watched multiple TIMEs. so many theories that are not easy to understand in a dense TIME. Many thanks to EF. I wear the same pair of glasses as Hans does :)

[@markcounseling]

40:45 This was a masterful section here by BK about the necessity of precise language and then, how he explicates his model of the multidimensionality of time. In the same way that beings are separate in space, they can be considered to be separate in time, in different dimensions of time. If Now is the only time, then simultaneity is an illusion, something Einstein proved. Simultaneity belongs to the old model of absolute time in which two events could happen at the "same time" in that absolute timeline. Instead, each being in their own time and space allows for an infinite plurality of perspectives. In some sense, the miracle of communication between beings is a proof that the underlying consciousness beyond time and space is all one, otherwise there could be no meeting between those disparate times and spaces.

[@-RXB-]

What a great conversation!

[@Avatar_2025]

Quite interesting. I know one can travel to a far future while in out of body state, spend decades but on return, a few minutes have gone by. If anyone can do that(spend decades in far future) from here, imagine what one can do from where we come from(higher dimensions).One can experience several simultaneous physical lives, across dimensions, space, parallel timelines within a fraction of a second. This means one can experience a billion human lives on earth simultaneously. Next time when you interact with your friend, neighbour or relative, interact with them kindly for you may be interacting with yourself. It is nice to hear someone with open mind discussing these topics. We know very little about ourselves and that is why things in earth drama school are so real and convincingly confusing to all those who choose to have human experience.

[@szchi9836]

1:39:00 - When pondering upon the modi of time.... what about the expierence of space sections, "spaciousness"? I would like to know if you know about the work of Hermann Schmitz, who declared philosophic themes such as Atmospheres, "Leiblichkeit", feelings as half things. He just died in 2021. Thank you for recording this interesting conversation.

[@spindryer7746]

To see a World in a Grain of Sand. And a Heaven in a Wild Flower. Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand. And Eternity in an hour. William Blake.

[@LilyGazou]

I understood this poem on mushrooms.

[@MichaelNoon]

@@LilyGazouyeah me too it was very profound & deep nearly brought me to tears

[@Meditation409]

Thats some really profound critical thinking going on! Some really profound points being made!

[@annakarl9989]

Hello Sirs 💕💞💖 Thank you very very much for explanation 🤗 , discussion and sharing of all ideas. It was wonderful, ❤ IT ( Was cooking inbetween 🤗) 🕊️

[@crizish]

It’s funny how so much of what is discussed here is intuitively understood by most people…

[@MichaelNoon]

Like it’s all ready innate in our sub conscious or consciousness

[@luisgdelafuente]

Everything that has happened and will happen exists as a whole, in all its possible versions. The universe is an archetypal film projected through light. In our normal state of consciousness we 'navigate' this higher dimensional totality by taking snapshots, points of view that change over time. The (even more) amazing part is that we can also change the timeline and choose to "experience" different versions of ourselves. Because that's what it's all about: consciousness experiencing itself.

[@bigfootpegrande]

03:46 - Tarcila do Amaral's Operários (1933). Nice!

[@silberlinie]

Ich halte mich an die drei dimensionen der zeit. 1. der augenblick, also das jetzt, das für uns menschen das einzig direkt erfahrene ist. 2. der ewige fluss der zeit, der städig unaufhaltsam in die zukunft hinen fliesst und 3. die unterteilung in das gegenwärtige, das vergangene und das zukünftige. Mein zweiter favorit ist ein erweiterter raum des blockuniversums, in dem alle ereignisse gleichzeitig gleichberechtig vorhanden sind. Und jeder dieser ereignispunkte zusätzlich eine trajektion hat, auf der mit größer werdendem Abstand stets größer werdende modifikationen dieses ereignises zu sehen sind.

[@SthealthRaider]

To bring up a psychological factor: when somebody experiences dissociation there is an alteration of time and speed. The clock which is ticking objectively can be observed as ticking slower or faster. Combine this with quantum physics and some questions arise if the speed of the ticking clock is objective or an observer is needed to make it objective. So lets say an observer is watching the atomic clock ticking, he can observe the same clock ticking slower or faster.

[@stephengee4182]

Elite athletes say that they experience time slowing when they go into an optimum flow zone, which may be associated an energy time relationship based upon the uncertainty principle.

[@SthealthRaider]

@@stephengee4182 elite athletes also dissociate from certain feelings or thougts, complete disconnection is sometimes needed to push trough. During severe pain or structural dissociation the body produces its own opioids. I think that chemicals in the body produce alterations in time and that time is subjective

[@stephengee4182]

@@SthealthRaider in objective collapse, Penrose postulates that the quantum wave can travel backwards in time so that at an entangled particle in the future can casually create its entangled particle in the past.

[@benayers8622]

@@stephengee4182 not just athletes most people with skills.. Drive a fast car or bike regular and same thing happens eventually you do things you couldn't have imagined the first few times you tried :) or just use real pure K that can fully remove time u have to learn how to remember it tho u wil defo amnesia first few times u go that deep :) ✌❤️

[@stephengee4182]

@@benayers8622 Yes, all people. Microtubules are life's time crystals, display uv superradiance properties, and may be biology's quantum optical neural network computation engine within which human consciousness dabbles.

[@JamesBS]

The subjective experience of time is there is no time, only the ever present now. Objective time is simply how many clock ticks separate events in the ever present now. The ever present now is identical to ever present consciousness/awareness. This is verifiable by paying close attention to your own experience.

[@grazynajarzyna9661]

I’ve just started watching this and I am not sure if I will finish but I just wanted to say that the moment (haha) when we will accommodate theory of mind & consciousness into physics, it will already cover both normal and anomalous minds.

[@cowmanzini]

whoever discovers the questions are the true genius behind every universal truth.

[@MYNAME_ABC]

1% precognition advantage does not suffice at the roulette wheel to get rich over time, since the odds are unfair there. 18 Red and 18 black numbers plus the zero where you lose. You get your money doubled if you choose the right color, but the chance is not 1/2, but only 18/37. Long term, the casino will still win.

[@jengathoughts]

where the big bang started is probably at a constant state of no time, the calm in the storm, the eye of a hurricane, and then as you radiate outward from the big bang you would see an influx in time. What is really wonderful to imagine is that something that seems to be traveling close to the speed of light would be traveling even faster than anything in our state of time could, the speed of light would be faster in a period of slower time.

[@divyanshsh]

beautiful, thank you

[@MonkeyFabGarage]

That was an excellent answer about why Edwardo doesn’t worry about para psychology. “The ordinary is so amazing”

[@MrShahzad40]

Bernardo explained a research about precognition . I checked but could not find any research. Does someone know where this research was published and who carried this out. Thanks

[@LilyGazou]

Some of the authors interviewed on New Thinking Allowed talk about many studies on precognition.

[@isairis2188]

A fascinating discussion. What I missed: The Eastern perspective that has been exploring consciousness and the nature of reality for thousands of years. That is where many of the answers can be found or better experienced that have been questioned in the discussion today.

[@IlBuddhaSnello]

I don't see the flow/passage of time, i only see that things (included me) change. There are tribes in africa who don t use any word which has reference to the passing time but only to the changes in the things or humans.

[@tyamada21]

A segment from 'Saved by the Light of the Buddha Within'... My new understandings of what many call 'God -The Holy Spirit' - resulting from some of the extraordinary ongoing after-effects relating to my NDE, when I was struck by lightning during September 1970. Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what some scientists are now referring to as the unified field of consciousnesses. In other words, it’s the essence of all existence and non-existence - the ultimate creative force behind planets, stars, nebulae, people, animals, trees, fish, birds, and all phenomena, manifest or latent. All matter and intelligence are simply waves or ripples manifesting to and from this core source. Consciousness (enlightenment) is itself the actual creator of everything that exists now, ever existed in the past, or will exist in the future - right down to the minutest particles of dust - each being an individual ripple or wave. The big difference between chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo and most other conventional prayers is that instead of depending on a ‘middleman’ to connect us to our state of inner enlightenment, we’re able to do it ourselves. That’s because chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo allows us to tap directly into our enlightened state by way of this self-produced sound vibration. ‘Who or What Is God?’ If we compare the concept of God being a separate entity that is forever watching down on us, to the teachings of Nichiren, it makes more sense to me that the true omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence of what most people perceive to be God, is the fantastic state of enlightenment that exists within each of us. Some say that God is an entity that’s beyond physical matter - I think that the vast amount of information continuously being conveyed via electromagnetic waves in today’s world gives us proof of how an invisible state of God could indeed exist. For example, it’s now widely known that specific data relayed by way of electromagnetic waves has the potential to help bring about extraordinary and powerful effects - including an instant global awareness of something or a mass emotional reaction. It’s also common knowledge that these invisible waves can easily be used to detonate a bomb or to enable NASA to control the movements of a robot as far away as the Moon or Mars - none of which is possible without a receiver to decode the information that’s being transmitted. Without the receiver, the data would remain impotent. In a very similar way, we need to have our own ‘receiver’ switched on so that we can activate a clear and precise understanding of our own life, all other life and what everything else in existence is. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day helps us to achieve this because it allows us to reach the core of our enlightenment and keep it switched on. That’s because Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what scientists now refer to as the unified field of consciousnesses. To break it down - Myoho represents the Law of manifestation and latency (Nature) and consists of two alternating states. For example, the state of Myo is where everything in life that’s not obvious to us exists - including our stored memories when we’re not thinking about them - our hidden potential and inner emotions whenever they’re dormant - our desires, our fears, our wisdom, happiness, karma - and more importantly, our enlightenment. The other state, ho, is where everything in Life exists whenever it becomes evident to us, such as when a thought pops up from within our memory - whenever we experience or express our emotions - or whenever a good or bad cause manifests as an effect from our karma. When anything becomes apparent, it merely means that it’s come out of the state of Myo (dormancy/latency) and into a state of ho (manifestation). It’s the difference between consciousness and unconsciousness, being awake or asleep, or knowing and not knowing. The second law - Renge - Ren meaning cause and ge meaning effect, governs and controls the functions of Myoho - these two laws of Myoho and Renge, not only function together simultaneously but also underlies all spiritual and physical existence. The final and third part of the tri-combination - Kyo, is the Law that allows Myoho to integrate with Renge - or vice versa. It’s the great, invisible thread of energy that fuses and connects all Life and matter - as well as the past, present and future. It’s also sometimes termed the Universal Law of Communication - perhaps it could even be compared with the string theory that many scientists now suspect exists. Just as the cells in our body, our thoughts, feelings and everything else is continually fluctuating within us - all that exists in the world around us and beyond is also in a constant state of flux - constantly controlled by these three fundamental laws. In fact, more things are going back and forth between the two states of Myo and ho in a single moment than it would ever be possible to calculate or describe. And it doesn’t matter how big or small, famous or trivial anything or anyone may appear to be, everything that’s ever existed in the past, exists now or will exist in the future, exists only because of the workings of the Laws ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ - the basis of the four fundamental forces, and if they didn’t function, neither we nor anything else could go on existing. That’s because all forms of existence, including the seasons, day, night, birth, death and so on, are moving forward in an ongoing flow of continuation - rhythmically reverting back and forth between the two fundamental states of Myo and ho in absolute accordance with Renge - and by way of Kyo. Even stars are dying and being reborn under the workings of what the combination ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ represents. Nam, or Namu - which mean the same thing, are vibrational passwords or keys that allow us to reach deep into our life and fuse with or become one with ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’. On a more personal level, nothing ever happens by chance or coincidence, it’s the causes that we’ve made in our past, or are presently making, that determine how these laws function uniquely in each of our lives - as well as the environment from moment to moment. By facing east, in harmony with the direction that the Earth is spinning, and chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo for a minimum of, let’s say, ten minutes daily to start with, any of us can experience actual proof of its positive effects in our lives - even if it only makes us feel good on the inside, there will be a definite positive effect. That’s because we’re able to pierce through the thickest layers of our karma and activate our inherent Buddha Nature (our enlightened state). By so doing, we’re then able to bring forth the wisdom and good fortune that we need to challenge, overcome and change our adverse circumstances - turn them into positive ones - or manifest and gain even greater fulfilment in our daily lives from our accumulated good karma. This also allows us to bring forth the wisdom that can free us from the ignorance and stupidity that’s preventing us from accepting and being proud of the person that we indeed are - regardless of our race, colour, gender or sexuality. We’re also able to see and understand our circumstances and the environment far more clearly, as well as attract and connect with any needed external beneficial forces and situations. As I’ve already mentioned, everything is subject to the law of Cause and Effect - the ‘actual-proof-strength’ resulting from chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo always depends on our determination, sincerity and dedication. For example, the levels of difference could be compared to making a sound on a piano, creating a melody, producing a great song, and so on. Something else that’s very important to always respect and acknowledge is that the Law (or if you prefer God) is in everyone and everything. NB: There are frightening and disturbing sounds, and there are tranquil and relaxing sounds. It’s the emotional result of any noise or sound that can trigger off a mood or even instantly change one. When chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day, we are producing a sound vibration that’s the password to our true inner-self - this soon becomes apparent when you start reassessing your views on various things - such as your fears and desires etc. The best way to get the desired result when chanting is not to view things conventionally - rather than reaching out to an external source, we need to reach into our own lives and bring our needs and desires to fruition from within - including the good fortune and strength to achieve any help that we may need. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo also reaches out externally and draws us towards, or draws towards us, what we need to make us happy from our environment. For example, it helps us to be in the right place at the right time - to make better choices and decisions and so forth. We need to think of it as a seed within us that we’re watering and bringing sunshine to for it to grow, blossom and bring forth fruit or flowers. It’s also important to understand that everything we need in life, including the answer to every question and the potential to achieve every dream, already exists within us.

[@jrbda]

Let us take as a hypothesis that consciousness, which permeates life, is what defines the moment, that is, time. And this moment encompasses all elements endowed with consciousness in space and immediately competent to our metabolic senses. In this case, matrix structures of consciousness are created, in time-space and when within the tendency of these matrices, we randomly change our trajectories, for a fraction of a second we move forward in time and realize what will happen in the future. The perceptions of these accidents would cause the experiences we call premonitions. To keep us within the balance that allows us to interact consistently with the set of elements in the immediate space, we are forced to return to the harmony of the present time, or on the contrary we would get lost in time, distorting our senses. Thus, we force ourselves to share the matrix structure that permeates the existence of each of our lives.