What Have We Learned From a Summer of Climate Reckoning?

[@rapauli]

This is great and an important conversation. Excellent background information. Must hear media.

[@rapauli]

Kate Marvel said about climate models: "you shouldn't just expect those records to be broken, you should expect them to be shattered"

[@allenaxp6259]

I think the first step is to acknowledge that both of these things are real. The climate crisis is a serious threat, but it is not insurmountable. We have the power to change things, and we are starting to do so. Just need to speed it up a lot.....

[@phillipproussier3723]

It's real only inside your bubble. 🗨🐑

[@peterbelanger4094]

No, it is not a threat. It is an excuse to control all of us more, and the insane measures proposed need to be fought against aggressively.

[@peterbelanger4094]

gfys commie.

[@peterbelanger4094]

The fact

[@peterbelanger4094]

that there is

[@BobQuigley]

Renewables barely cover new population needs let alone existing requirements. There's 8 billion precious humans today and every year another 80 million net new humans join us. Just to accommodate these folks requires construction of one New York City worth of infrastructure food education housing transportation clothing healthcare etc every single month!! In addition there's one and only one number worth watching. Parts per million greenhouse gases pollution continue to rise. This single number is rarely presented to the public. Finally we're burning through 100 billion barrels of oil equivalent fossil fuels energy annually. . There's no Oil Fairy refilling the holes.

[@davestagner]

Couple of things… first, the rate of renewable energy adoption is accelerating, largely because renewables are now the cheapest source of electricity. And land transportation is electrifying quickly, too. So don’t assume current energy system is future energy system. Second, population growth is slowing, and should level off by 2070, then go into decline.

[@Changeworld408]

renewables are only 4 % of total energy worldwide even included hydro, unless people will be happy sitting in cold rooms and playing cards at night around a stove and willing to eat locally produced food and only buy necessities like one pants or underwear and one pair of shoes@@davestagner

[@kevinwoolley7960]

​@@davestagner renewables are absolutely not the cheapest form of energy, if they were, Africa would be powered by renewables.

[@LenBerman]

Given how many people have 'non-scientific' world views, I wouldn't rule out witch burning

[@Illiteratechimp]

When I was in High School it was common in way Upstate NY to have snow on the running track during the last month of school These days the snow is long gone If you pay attention you can see the warming in your home town The water level is just a little higher in Battery Park, just in my life time

[@kmoses582]

According to your logic things are just fine, Snowbowl in Arizona had their longest season in history this year

[@Illiteratechimp]

@@kmoses582 According to my logic? No. Not according to my logic. Im going to assume youre coming from a denialist point of view, in which case you should be aware that the West Coast experienced more precipitation, including snow, as warmer air has a higher carrying capacity for water. And Arizona just had some record breaking heat. The Earth just experienced several "hotest months on record," ad it did last year and the years before. But of course you know this. Climate denialists know theyre wrong.

[@kmoses582]

@@Illiteratechimp You mentioned the lack of snow as proof in New York, why is it not counter proof in Arizona? How do you tell the difference between weather and climate? Also Arizona did not break its all time record, same with Phoenix and Tucson.

[@Illiteratechimp]

@@kmoses582 Ok, glad you asked The simplest answer is that climate change manifests itself in many ways, so it can increase snow in one area while decreasing in another. In fact, this very podcast explained that- did you even listen to the podcast? increased temperature driven by CO2 can cause drought and floods - increased temperatures not only dry an area out through increased evaporation and plant stress but it can also decrease precipitation by reducing the amount of time the air reaches the dew point But also global warming can increase the carrying capacity for water of the atmosphere so sonewhere like a very high mountain that tend to catch precipitation, like the Rockies, that can then actually get deeper snow pack for the season! The area I lived in, the foothills of the Adirondacks, could see less snow over time because of their relatively low elevation, while the peaks of the same mountains can actually increase in snow! Also, you mentioned climate vs weather; I described a long term change noticed over many years (climate), you brought up a single season's worth of snow - weather. Also, it doesnt matter that all time records still remain unbroken in certain locations- look at the larger trends. Global- ie the whole Earth - GLOBAL hottest years on record, as compared to the city of Phoenix, as you attempted to counter with. In Arizona this year people were passing out from the heat then getting burned from the hot plavement. The climate disaster is now. Im glad you asked for details, because now I just explained it to you. What Im afraid of is that you might be doing that thing where deniers, who again all know they are wrong, try to find randos who can't answer the questions like I just did. We only have one planet Earth. Wake up and join us in saving our civilization!

[@bernadettesandoval3990]

Actually, there was a point in history when New York was covered by ice sheets between 1-2 kilometers thick. Yet it melted and refroze several dozen times over millions of years before the last 25,000 to 20,000 years ago.

[@LenBerman]

As the earth warms, the black body energy rises as the fourth power of temperature. This energy results in a shift of distributions of extreme events of all sorts: hurricanes, droughts, firestorms, heat & cold waves. Statistically, we are screwed!

[@Frostbiker]

It is hard to swallow that for most of us this is the mildest weather we are going to experience for the rest of our lives. I hope my children will get to see weather like this again, even if it happens towards the end of their lives.

[@dwaynepeters4520]

That is not true. As the guest said, we are in an El Nino, a period of naturally warm climate. There will be a La Nina afterward where the climate will be colder. It won't be as cold as if climate change didn't exist, obviously, but it'll be colder than 2023.

[@Frostbiker]

@@dwaynepeters4520 That's a bit like saying that this winter will be colder than this summer. It's true, but it's missing the longer term trend. The weather is already noticeably warmer than when I was a child, which you can observe by yourself by looking at the trend of when spring arrives: it comes sooner than it used to.

[@dirremoire]

We had a very cold and wet winter but an absolutely beautiful summer. Gorgeous weather here now.

[@cheryllee81]

@@Frostbiker Summers are much hotter now. When I was a kid, we didn't have air conditioning because we didn't need it, just fans. We didn't even have a "heat wave" each year. I remember learning how to ice skate as a kid on a large pond in our town's park. The pond ice was several feet thick when it froze. I remember seeing koi swimming underneath the ice. Hundreds of people were skating. I don't think kids anywhere can skate on outdoor, natural ponds anymore? You'd be risking your life. I think people over 50 can definitely see the changes. I used to love the summer. Now, I get a feeling of dread wondering how hot and humid things will get, and don't even let me start about the smoke from Canada's burning boreal forests! I can say that never happened at any time in my life until 2023. I'm looking forward to cooler seasons that I hope are cool/cold.

[@Illiteratechimp]

@@dwaynepeters4520 He said mildest Basically, each decade will be more extreme than the one before

[@foggycraw6758]

Why did no one mentiom the Tonga eruption and its role in this record hot summer we had?

[@gogudelagaze1585]

Haven't listened yet, but the answer is nothing, unfortunately. :( edit: I mean in terms of the ones actually able to influence policy.

[@yankeepirate8927]

After the last slush in the Arctic is gone & the northern hemisphere has no more Air Conditioning we're toast in under a decade.

[@kmoses582]

We are always just around the corner from disaster, you are like the person on the corner with the sign "the end is near"

[@yankeepirate8927]

Kinda like a drunk epileptic playing on a freeway. TicToc.

[@kevinwoolley7960]

This isn't remotely what is projected.

[@yankeepirate8927]

Just because I modeled data for NASA and an Arctic.Explorer in 1998 and everything we predicted came true right on time for 25 years does not mean you will either believe facts, nor integrate them in your life plans.

[@globalwarming382]

This is the most interesting POD cast on Global warm that I have listen to and actually enjoyed.

[@OldJackWolf]

I expected it, but I hope the public (and voters) took note.

[@goodnatureart]

Great conversation and love the wrap up on all the benefits to climate solutions. We need to start branding the monsters who are forcing us to live with this forced entropy. This hurricane brought to you by Exxon Mobil and lay out the game plan for buying the top oil companies and winding them down.

[@kmoses582]

What oil company was responsible for The Great Hurricane of 1780 that killed 22,000 people and had a wind speed of 200 MPH?

[@goodnatureart]

@@kmoses582 is a good question about 1780s. Alexander von Humboldt invented how we see nature, ecosystems, and lived back then. He took a trip from home in Europe to South America and saw how colonialism was cutting down all the forests. In 1800 he said we're going to create climate change by doing that. Just imagine if we'd paid attention then, before oil and gas company's day dreams became reality in the 1900s. FYI Andrea Wulf's book The Invention of Nature is where I learned out Humboldt. Stay curious

[@kmoses582]

@@goodnatureart Are you really trying to say that the Great Hurricane of 1780 was caused by people cutting down trees? Is that what also caused the Typhoon in 1283 that stopped the Mongols from invading Japan?

[@goodnatureart]

@@kmoses582 I was really just asking you to consider that you're observing nature, and there are some people we know who have put together the little bits of information tested over time we can science that can help a regular person like me learn about the large beautiful systems here on this planet. Stay curious is all I can say. Before science came along we were certain the world was fixed, we also believed there was a god in charge. Now we know better. And you'll still run into lags of time where someone doesn't want to learn, or go find out for yourself by reading the book I recommended, just to see how amazing life is. But look around. There are people who don't think pool companies have deliberately lied to us for decades that they are changing the planet. Remarkable that their profits matter more than your family and friends

[@goodnatureart]

Pool fossil fuels

[@richardprzybylski3859]

Thoughtful explanation needed for a more accurate understanding of the atmospheric experiment we are running

[@h2rider953]

#StopOil #StopCoal #StopGas

[@Changeworld408]

how about yr food not arriving at yr supermarket and the farmer not able to plant crops with his equipment and harvest it by hand. if you like prices really getting much higher and no food in the stores this is definetely a solution, but also the repair man if yr elevator or internet or electricity goes down and if like we have gas for heating our water and heating it will rapidly be very unconfortable

[@richardallan2767]

I used to find an amusing perspective that, it was in some way reassuring to my own life, that i don't feel bad of leaving things to the last minute, since that is actually humanity's strategy for dealing with climate change. But then i got that actually, the last minute to deal with it, and have it work out with no negative effects, was, at latest, back in the 90s. All this is like starting to revise for an exam a few months after it happened.

[@paigefoster8396]

I learned that a supervolcano erupted in 2022, underwater. By Tonga. It put lots of stuff in the atmosphere, and even into the stratosphere. I learned that it could affect weather significantly for a decade.

[@stevebloom5606]

You learned wrong. The water vapor and aerosol effects are pretty much cancelling out.

[@psoriasishealth3817]

​​@@stevebloom5606you learned wrong, heat claims being worse are blatant lie. California was so cold all crops came 30 days late, read it and weep.

[@jimwing.2178]

@@psoriasishealth3817 Did you listen to the podcast? It was clearly stated that there will be years that are colder than average amidst an strong warming trend. Your point is moot.

[@psoriasishealth3817]

@@jimwing.2178 colder years happen after the largest Volcanic eruptions but smaller one seem to have little to no affect on weather.

[@vKarl71]

1:59 Book recommendations

[@matthewkeating-od6rl]

great vid

[@kevinwoolley7960]

33:15 What if the cost of avoiding these is higher than the cost of living with them? You are not a serious person unless you address this.

[@DelusionalDoug]

The record high for New York state is 108 °F (42 °C), set at Troy on July 22, 1926.

[@Illiteratechimp]

And what of global average temperatures?

[@dirremoire]

We can't even pretend to calculate global average temperatures until relatively recently. Before the 1950s, only the USA Canada, Australia and certain parts of Europe maintained accurate climate stations. Asia, Africa, South America as well as the great oceans had no temperature monitoring to speak of. Bottom line. We have no idea what global average temperatures were.

[@Illiteratechimp]

@@dirremoire And since 1950, the 19 hottest years on record have occured in the last 20 years. We can see a sharp increase in temperaturs. And before 1950 we did have other means of taking temperatures. And before that we have proxies from ice cores, fossils, ocean sediment etc. In fact, climate deniers like to point to these when they say "the Earth has been this hot before." Have you ever made that argument? To say we have "no idea" is simply dishonest and denialist. Help us save our only planet. Earth is the only planet youve ever lived on.

[@DelusionalDoug]

@@dirremoire I agree. So saying “hottest July ever” is just to scare small children. Just pointing out the record temperatures in NY haven’t been broken for a hundred years. And how are these “global” averages derived? You can make statistics do anything to support a preplanned narrative.

[@Illiteratechimp]

@@DelusionalDoug The fallacy you are engaging in is called cherry picking. Dismissing a measurement of the whole system as "statistics" is sophistry. But I ask you this: what if youre wrong? Lets use game theory. 1) Youre wrong and we take action: save the planet. 2) Youre wrong and we dont take action: human suffering, economic and ecological collapse, the 6th mass extinction, an end to the world as we know it. 3) youre right and we take action: we kept the atmosphere cleaner - pollution still stinks 4) youre right and we dont take action - we still suffer pollution Seems like the only adult decision is to take action, bud

[@kevinwoolley7960]

46:29 The costs of the clean air and water acts are a hundredth of what would be required to really address climate change. And these laws worked because local pollution in the US was completely separate from what other countries did. This commentary is just not grounded in reality.

[@davidrennke763]

This information is very misleading, the warming is accelerating at an exponential pace. Hansen's latest work acknowledges our climate models greatly underestimated climate sensitivity while also greatly underestimating the aerosol masking effect.The earth energy imbalance has doubled in the last decade, over 1.6 watts per meter squared now. Chaos theory was fathered by Edward Lorenz, who created some of the earliest computer weather simulations. He summed up his observations with the phrase " sensitive dependence on initial conditions".

[@psoriasishealth3817]

California crops have all been 30 days late due to below average temps 2023.

[@jimwing.2178]

Did you listen to the podcast? It was clearly stated that there will be years that are colder than average amidst an strong warming trend. Your point is moot.

[@psoriasishealth3817]

@@jimwing.2178 Large eruptions cause wet winter afterwards due to sulpher shot 36 miles into the stratosphere.

[@janklaas6885]

📍45:27

[@artlewellan2294]

Trick Question: Which of the 3 basic EV drivetrains - all-battery BEV, plug-in hybrid PHEV, hydrogen fuel cell HFCEV - offers the most potential to reduce fuel/energy consumption, emissions AND insane traffic? The correct answer is PHEV to serve ~65% future EV needs. BEV serves the remainder 35% in lightweight vehicles and short distance travel/transport needs. Combustible hydrogen in the ICEngine of a PHEV+H drivetrain stores at much lower pressure in smaller safer tanks and can deliver at least twice the equivalent MPG possible with fuel cell EV tech. So the question is: WHY are we misled to believe BEV tech is the only option for the motor vehicle industry to pursue?

[@jimwing.2178]

From your viewpoint, who is being misled? and who is misleading? From my viewpoint, I've never heard that BEV is the only option.

[@JohnnyBelgium]

How about walkable towns like in most of history?

[@Changeworld408]

1 billion people in 1800, now 8 billion and still growing at 800 million every year. all these people need food housing and cloathing and some basic infrastructure like sewage and water

[@MichaelJohnson-vi6eh]

It's September and it was 97 degrees F yesterday in the DC area.

[@kmoses582]

IN 1913 Death Valley set the world's hottest recorded temperature of 134

[@Illiteratechimp]

@@kmoses582 And what of GLOBAL average temperatures? 19 of the hotest years on record occured in the last 20 years

[@kmoses582]

@@Illiteratechimp Its telling that you are responding to me and not Michael Johnson, are we not saying similar things?

[@Illiteratechimp]

@@kmoses582 Telling in what way? Also, I asked a question

[@kmoses582]

@@Illiteratechimp Michael Johnson mentioned hot weather likely saying how that is some sign of climate change, so I did the same. You decided to lecture me and not him on global average temperatures, why would you pick me over him when he was the one with the original comment? He was spouting the party line, I was not, that is why it's telling. For your answer, I was not talking about global average temperatures. People are worried about local temperature not global averages.

[@DelusionalDoug]

David Wallace Wells got his degree in history. He sure likes to use terms like “scary, uncertainty, hard life.” Definitely a climate hysteria pusher. My video recommendation is “Little Ice Age, Big Chill” made by the History Channel.

[@gmw3083]

Nate Hay gens. Spelunking wrong helps comments show up. Spelling correctly might lead you to the light.

[@NeverCryWolf64]

Apt name. Delusional.

[@davestagner]

My spouse as a master’s degree in Chinese pedagogy, and is a professional expert with two decades of experience in… electronic payments. The assumption with the idea that one’s degree determines the limits of one’s expertise and profession has a hidden assumption that people stop learning after college. Which may be your experience, but it’s not ours.

[@DelusionalDoug]

@@davestagner David Wallace Wells seems to push propaganda rather than science. That was the point of my post. Listen to his alarmism versus the scientist.

[@davestagner]

@@DelusionalDoug Can you give an example of him being “alarmist” in a way that is out of step with scientific consensus? (Not an individual scientist, but the consensus opinion of most experts on the subject.)

[@cheryllee81]

I wonder what it's gonna be like in 2030?

[@kmoses582]

Its going to get cold in winter, hot in summer, Tropical cyclones will still be a thing, floods and droughts will still be a thing sea levels will be almost an inch higher. The media will still be saying the sky is falling for events that have always happened.

[@psoriasishealth3817]

People should study the Correlation between eruptions at Mt. Pinatubo June 1991, Montserrat June 1997, Popocatepeti, Masaya and Santiaguito June 2016 and Hunga Tonga Jan 2022 with California record flood events 1991-1992, 1997-1998, 2016-2017 and 2022-2023. People try to blame El Nino, dual action with man made input doesn't make sense provided other years are drought years. Furthermore Study El Chichónal March-April 1982 the biggest eruption in Mexico History 10 times Greater than Mt. Saint Hellens in Washington and California floods of 1982-1983. The largest Volcanoes seem to explode during Hot weather then the result is Rain and cooling the earth after hence the years 536, 540, 1815 and 1886, also 1906 Mt Vesuvias exploded on two sides of the mountain, 1906-1907 Sacramento river in California floods 20 miles wid

[@stevebloom5606]

Scientists study all of that, and you are quite wrong about your guesses. Both large floods and volcanic eruptions are sufficiently common that you can find many such coincidences in the record.

[@psoriasishealth3817]

@@stevebloom5606 read it and weep, water vapor is the most abundant green house affect. Solar radiation is the most abundant heat source, lava flowing into the ocean creates crazy water vapor.

[@psoriasishealth3817]

@grindupBaker NOAA's Ark declared a Climate Emergency, no pun intended.California crops have all been 30 days late due to below average temps 2023.

[@jimwing.2178]

@@psoriasishealth3817 Did you listen to the podcast? It was clearly stated that there will be years that are colder than average amidst an strong warming trend. Your point about California crops this year is moot.

[@bmc9696]

Really interesting but..the vocal fry please!!

[@jimwing.2178]

Both speakers are guilty. It's rare to hear a male voice so fried.

[@DelusionalDoug]

The highest temperature ever observed in Central Park is 106 °F (41 °C) on July 9, 1936

[@geoengr3]

If you want to believe that's relevant to this topic, feel free to do so. It's your right.

[@Illiteratechimp]

The plural of anecdote is NOT data The data show the Earth is warming, these fresh cherries you picked doesnt disprove that

[@blackrocks8413]

we learned these eco snowflakes are having warming anxiety attacks. Too funny

[@futureproof.health]

What we have learned is. More boosters, more money for pharmaceutical phascism . With some sort of immune response becoming a non starter. New York might become a colony of cannibal emperor penguins 🐧

[@seekingfurtherlight34]

Fear porn

[@Illiteratechimp]

Yeah, thats what they said about the guy who yelled "iceberg, dead ahead" on the Titanic. Frivolous fear porn, mate.

[@warriorofthelight05]

😂😂😂, oh, dear

[@Boymanjusri]

Just Another Fear monger

[@Illiteratechimp]

Yeah, I'd much rather be nice and calm up until its too late. Lets go drive our giant pick-up trucks we never use for anything more than solo trips to work and grocery runs, blast that CO2

[@globalwarming382]

At 50:00 about ppl moving to extreme climate regions. People are clueless and self destructive.