What if Brawl was better?

What if Super Smash Bros. Brawl had a 70+ character roster, 10+ third party characters, and was a launch title for Wii? You're about to find out.
In this second installment of the blessed timeline series, we'll look at the sequel to "Super Smash Bros." that we covered in a previous video: "What if Melee was the first Smash game?" • What if Melee was the ...
Sakurai and HAL Labs would begin development on a sequel almost immediately after the release of this game in a theoretical blessed scenario. It would maintain the mechanics and gameplay feel of our universe's Melee but would expand with new mechanics, game modes, and features.
Embark on this fictitious Smash Bros. journey and discover what could have been.
Most footage captured from Project M: Remix, a mod for Super Smash Bros. Brawl, which can be downloaded below.
Blessed Timeline Part 1: • What if Melee was the ...
Blessed Timeline Part 2: • What if Brawl was better?
Blessed Timeline Part 3: • What if Smash Wii U, 3...
Download PMEX Remix: forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/Brawl...
Download Codename: Melee Deluxe: archive.org/details/codename-...
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Music used:
"Legacy" by Seycara Orchestral
Pokemon Gym theme from Akaneia Build: github.com/akaneia/akaneia-bu...
Fight Against An Armed Boss: • Super Mario RPG - Figh...
Brawl Theme Jim Walter TRAP Remix: • SUPER SMASH BROS Brawl...
Mortal Kombat - The Pit Super Remix: • Mortal Kombat-The Pit ...
Outro Music Credit: "Resting Place" by Garrett Williamson • Resting Place
#smashbros #whatif

[@davidvkimball]

Watch Part 1: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nX6waGlth7SqsKc Watch Part 3: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXzXmqipj555gsk

[@sonictheiceinghedgehog]

Hey just wondering can the melee deluxe wave 1 and 2 be played on a Wii like project plus or not

[@WaddleMoogle]

A timeline where Golden Sun is loved and respected? It really IS the blessed timeline.

[@davidvkimball]

🙏

[@RockyTheThird]

Gotta still give Nintendo some respect, I used to have the same mindset but the additional brawl song, brawl trophy, then the updated Isaac assist in ultimate along with the spirits is still amazing compared to what a lot of nintendo handheld characters got.

[@brandonwilliams6119]

I’d wish for an Advance Wars character in Andy or Sami and especially to have Advance Wars music in Smash because all it ever got was the Infantry and Tanks Assist Trophy.

[@davidvkimball]

@@RockyTheThird Good point

[@davidvkimball]

@@brandonwilliams6119 Sami would be awesome.

[@realsalu634]

Now u know what u gotta do.... *Subspace Emissary rewrite with all the characters!!*

[@davidvkimball]

Love this idea. Will probably do it next.

[@JSSMVCJR2.2]

For the Next installment?

[@BashirAde-Jamiu4]

Yup lol

[@davidvkimball]

Thank you for watching my video! Please check out Project M EX: Remix. Link in the description. Edit: regarding MegaMan/MegaMan X, that was an oversight. I should have replaced MegaMan X with MegaMan proper.

[@theinfinitygamingteam]

Hey, David, long time no see, Nice Video, man, both this and the blessed Melee timeline are amazing. but i’m curious:How will you do one about Smash 4 and Ultimate? -The Infinity Gaming Team.

[@davidvkimball]

@@theinfinitygamingteam Thank you! Chances are low. I haven't setup the tools yet to mess with Ultimate mods and I will probably never touch Smash 4 again lol.

[@DreamyMystX64]

Timelines like these would’ve meant something else for Nintendo (like Uprising could’ve been a Wii game either before or after the game’s launch as it was intended if Palutena is added in this iteration).

[@davidvkimball]

Right!

[@squallleonhart9387]

Now that’s a very interesting thought, what if Uprising was a Wii Game? It almost felt like it could’ve been going by the E3 2010 Showcase which I’ll link, pay attention to the graphics and voices too which are different from the final game kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2jHlqd6mNKAgbs

[@borahbros1664]

That would be awesome, it could have given kid Icarus more of a revival and possibly more games if both smash and it were successful enough which the Wii would definitely help with.

[@duebfofn]

They made a prototype for Kid Icarus called Icarus on the Wii, but never came out.

[@mjl167]

Adding bomberman without the amazingly cool bombs he gets in Second Attack is a missed opportunity, definitely the coolest thing to come from the Bomberman franchise with the possible exception of the soundtrack for Hero. In this timeline, I'd hope Viewtiful Joe could make it in too. Then maybe I'll vacation to this timeline sometime.

[@davidvkimball]

I'll need to do some research!

[@PARANOiA1000]

seeing remix get acknowledgement and praise is always an exciting thing 2 see (:

[@davidvkimball]

Yay! Yeah much deserved. As well as, obviously, all of the individual contributors and base mods involved... but I'll let Remix's credits handle that. lol

[@ThunderG2004]

This is amazing, I can’t imagine how massively different Smash 4 and Ultimate would be in this timeline, the rosters would be massive!

[@davidvkimball]

Right? Mind-blowing to consider.

[@supersonical8770]

I think in this timeline a lot of the Deluexe mii costumes from Ultimate like Vault Boy, Cuphead and sans could be playable characters. But also maybe other Indies like Hollow Knight, Shantae, Shovel Knight, Freddy Fazbear and Bendy joining the roster!

[@davidvkimball]

@@supersonical8770 Exactly, minus Freddy and Bendy lol

[@supersonical8770]

@@davidvkimball Freddy was pretty highly requested in the Smash Ballot. But Bendy would probably be the game after Ultimate, since by that time BATDR would have released.

[@simplyhoodie]

@@supersonical8770 Sadly, I highly doubt bendy would be anywhere near as big as Freddy's to be anything more than a mii costume or spirit.

[@MeesterTweester]

I like the inclusion of Waluigi and Sukapon! I hope they become fighters some day.

[@davidvkimball]

Agree!

[@MyDudeman222]

Same

[@kansiwiz]

sukapon my nuts hahaha

[@LeoEmber]

Same

[@RoseSupreme]

This is probably a bit *too* blessed, haha. If we did live in such a timeline, I'd imagine we'd get about half of what you imagined. The roster feels like PMEX Remix, but unironically better in my opinion.

[@davidvkimball]

Haha yeah it's pretty fan-fic-like. Thank you! Yeah I tried to make this more focused on the 2006 and prior era, which in my opinion cuts out a lot of the bloat and unnecessary characters.

[@aesthetic-moon-wave]

Awesome! I wish we could've saw the stage selection screen of what stages would be included.

[@davidvkimball]

I thought about it! Maybe for a follow up video for a future date.

[@celerity910]

I noticed the only Brawl character who didn't appear in SSB Deluxe was Lucario, though I had to look at the CSS for a little bit before it clicked. The game coming out in 2006 did it in; 1 more year and it'd have a shot again.

[@davidvkimball]

That's correct. While in the newest Smash titles, adding imminently released Pokemon was a staple, I think by 2006 it wouldn't necessarily have been the practice. Also, now a proper gen 3 rep gets to shine! 🙌

[@chrisopps6936]

@@davidvkimball Maybe add lucario in the SSB4 blessed timeline.

[@davidvkimball]

@@chrisopps6936 Perhaps!

[@UltraNurture]

I love these what if videos very much. The roster here is great and it reminds me of all the fan made rosters I would see on google as a kid during Brawls release.

[@davidvkimball]

Ha yesss. So glad you're enjoying the vids!

[@tkyo]

Awesome video! The pacing of your videos is absolutely amazing, keep up the great work :D

[@davidvkimball]

Thanks so much! I really appreciate that.

[@ArcadeStriker]

As hard as this is to imagine being a plausible reality in another timeline...the roster inmediately made me realize that this video is using PMEX Remix as a base, which is definitely a very fun choice knowing how much stuff that mod crammed on top of P+'s base, and its still pretty cool that you present these mod projects via a "what-if" screnario for these being official products :)

[@davidvkimball]

That's right! Thanks, it's something I've thought about doing for a long time. It's fun to create the narrative around it.

[@JSSMVCJR2.2]

@@davidvkimball Surely.

[@BandonicGokaiChange]

Cool! Was this based off my comment from the first video?

[@davidvkimball]

👀

[@dmoc2524]

Bro, ur amazing like fr, wish u the best on this series and many other things fr

[@twelvevoltage]

He is fr

[@richiecampbell605]

That's awesome! I would've imagined in the blessed timeline where Dixie Kong, King K. Rool, Black Shadow (as semi-clone of Captain Falcon) and Dark Samus as Newcomers in this of Brawl named Deluxe, possibly along with either Daisy or Waluigi or maybe both.

[@davidvkimball]

Dixie was a tempting add, but K. Rool felt more right.

[@dylansmith5206]

@@davidvkimball Regardless. I still hope like Heaven that someone gets the idea to just include Dixie Kong in a Smash Mod. I don't care what mod it is (Just don't make her a clone of Diddy). It should not be the equivalent of rocket science just to put in one single female monkey for Heavens Beautiful sake. But hey. What do I know?

[@banjo9158]

@@dylansmith5206 She is gonna be in Project M EX Remix

[@richiecampbell605]

@@davidvkimball I see. I'm also curious what game of Super Smash Bros. Deluxe (this version of Brawl) is gonna release? And the Subspace Emissary, It'll be either be the same like in this timeline but with new characters or something different that are taking cues from Super Smash Bros. for Gamecube's Adventure Mode and made it even bigger and more brand as you mentioned in the video? :)

[@chrisopps6936]

Brawl was my favorite Wii game when I was 7, so seeing this video makes me wish this was the Brawl we got. Please continue this series with SSBFWU/3DS and SSBU videos like this! Also, do cursed timeline versions of Brawl, WII U/3DS, and Ultimate please!

[@davidvkimball]

Glad you enjoyed the vid. I'll consider it!

[@chrisopps6936]

@@davidvkimball Hold on, before you do these videos, Please do a part 2 of Brawl was better, which covers the stages, Items, Trophies, game modes, and Masterpieces.

[@TotiTotiToti]

Nothing hits quite like hearing David's voice over that classic Legacy music 😌

[@davidvkimball]

Ha, you noticed.

[@felldoh9271]

Thank you for doing these videos they’re very fun and nostalgic. Really looking forward to the Blessed Timeline versions of Smash 4 and Ultimate if you do em.

[@lilkirby7663]

Just finished watching the first vid before this. I'm super hype for what you guys got here ❤‍🔥❤‍🔥❤‍🔥

[@davidvkimball]

Thanks! I hope you enjoyed both vids.

[@brandonwilliams6119]

Excellent Video! A great follow up to the Blessed Melee Timeline Video! I could see lots of these characters being extremely fun and rewarding to unlock, also characters who didn’t make the cut in this video I’m sure would be unlockable: Dry Bowser A Warioware Character Dixie Kong Midna Toon Zelda Blood Falcon Sandbag Knuckle Joe Lyn Louie Ninten Masked Man Zack

[@davidvkimball]

Good list!

[@squallleonhart9387]

@@davidvkimball If we were to get a Warioware Character would it be Ashley since Warioware Touched, her debut game, is the best selling one to this day?

[@mojonoahgamer5647]

YES! Been waiting for this! Edit: would love an analysis on the Subspace adventure

[@davidvkimball]

Enjoy! Edit: I might make a video just dedicated to how crazy a Subspace Emissary could be.

[@mojonoahgamer5647]

@@davidvkimball nice

[@saltbaker8683]

Thought I catch up unlike last tie ad almost forgot this video even existed but once again loved some of the ideas you placed down, concept, and other Interesting gimmicks In mind.

[@davidvkimball]

Thank you very much! I'm glad you gave it a watch.

[@saltbaker8683]

​@@davidvkimball Not only you made my year, but we're officially full circle now. (Read my previous comment in the video you recently posted. I know I didn't say that much but still wanted to tell you that we've officially reaches full circle now.)

[@SonicTheCutehog]

Brawl if Sakurai embraced the competitive scene

[@davidvkimball]

Yep

[@denzeltheeternalunderstudy2858]

Really enjoyable video David. Proud of ya!

[@davidvkimball]

Thanks!

[@mrm64]

Nintendo embracing the competitive scene...man oh man... and imagine if Samox still released the documentary in 2013. Not only would the Melee/Brawl communities be one (meaning a MUCH bigger unified scene) but sponsorships, deals, etc would sky rocket. I'm convinced to say Nintendo would make more money than they are now lol. It'd be funny seeing an alternate timeline where Mang0 is in grand finals with Ally.

[@davidvkimball]

Hilarious, I'm not sure about that. Maybe in this universe "Smash Bros." and "Deluxe" fans could have coexisted, but Brawl and Melee play so differently, I think we're kidding ourselves if we think their would be much crossover.

[@mrm64]

@@davidvkimball Yeah lol. I was thinking more so in the sense that "Blessed Brawl " would play similar to Melee, thus the old school fans wouldn't have too many issues migrating to the next game. But who knows what could cause the divide when then. We would still find something to argue about 😂

[@davidvkimball]

@@mrm64 So true lol

[@ultrainstinctjordan1556]

This would truly be a blessed timeline. The fact that there would be 60 characters on a Wii would be insane

[@davidvkimball]

That's actually possible by the way!

[@szion72]

I wish I knew you were gonna do this, I could've provided a finished version of blaziken. Extremely lovable video.

[@davidvkimball]

Haha!! Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it.

[@gyutp8476]

Here's one for this blessed timeline: What If there was Smash Bros. for the original DS system? AND it had unlockable content by wireless connecting the DS game to Deluxe.

[@davidvkimball]

DS Smash actually sounds very cursed.

[@woody9174]

I really do love these What-if videos! The roster shown here is fantastic. And, while I know the stuff shown here is from other mods, I would honestly love to see a mod that takes heavy inspiration from this showcase. There are some questions that I would like to ask involving this version of Brawl if that’s fine. 1. Would each fighter from the roster get one costume because of Samus’ appearance during the Metroid gameplay at 8:54? 2. While you’ve shown some new stages in this video, what would the complete stage list be for this timeline of Brawl? 3. Do you consider Target Test and Classic mode for this game to be similar to either timeline of Melee? 4. Was the reason Mega Man X got added to the roster instead of the one from Smash 4 and Ultimate because there isn’t a character import of him for Brawl yet?

[@davidvkimball]

1. Heck yeah! 2. I thought about covering it, but it seemed too daunting. 3. Ideally of course it would be like Melee's, yeah. Especially if it was "Deluxe". 4. Yes, I wanted it to be Mega Man proper, not X, but didn't want to import a shoddy port, but rather would use the polished X made for PM.

[@-RIWIS-]

I haven't reached part 3 of the series yet, and I'm already perplexed by the fact that almost every Smash 4 and Ultimate character are already in the roster. Like, who could POSSIBLY be next?

[@davidvkimball]

Hahaha, guess you'll have to watch part 3!

[@ynorb9573]

​@@davidvkimballwill you do part 4 on a hypothetical next smash game?

[@etm_nbeefie8960]

This is a really great video

[@davidvkimball]

Thank you!

[@JoshieNSFW]

I remember the teaser image community post you did! I got some of the predictions right! Heck yeah!

[@davidvkimball]

Nice job, I was honestly impressed lol

[@squallleonhart9387]

This blessed timeline’s Brawl would be so great, Sakurai would probably find himself at a loss as to how he can take take the Smash series further past this one like Takaya Immamura who worked on F-Zero GX and AX, he made this statement regarding those games.

[@davidvkimball]

GX is awesome!

[@theinfinitygamingteam]

Looking back on these videos gives me the perfect idea and inspiration with the characters from this video series and the characters Sakurai once planned to add. man i wish Shadow was playable. also, Quick question, when would Super Smash Bros. Deluxe come after the Original in the alternative timeline? It's always nice to look back on these videos, love them, David. hope things have been going well. -The Infinity Gaming Team.

[@davidvkimball]

Glad you're enjoying them! And yes.

[@theinfinitygamingteam]

@@davidvkimball if i might ask, when did Super Smash Bros. Deluxe release on Wii since it's a squeal to to the original on Gamecube?

[@twinkling_topaz14]

Nice video! I enjoyed it very much, just like the first one of this format. If it were me, I'd make the character roster a bit smaller, and swap out some of the new choices with others (namely Lyn and Krystal) and some of the characters that are featured here would instead be featured in a later game. But hey, it's your video and not mine, so I won't pry on it too much. I'm curious to see how different Smash 4 and Ultimate could have been if we lived in a universe such as this.

[@davidvkimball]

Thank you!

[@gnardawgyt]

Fun video, thanks for posting!

[@davidvkimball]

You're welcome, so glad you enjoyed it!

[@theguest103]

fuck yes i needed this to procrastinate studying

[@davidvkimball]

Enjoy! But then get back to studying.

[@SparkschuItai]

So underrated. Well done!

[@davidvkimball]

Thank you!

[@weegee9k656]

I would love to see someone reanimate and add new scenes to Subspace Emissary with all these characters. I would feel complete if I could see that in full

[@davidvkimball]

That would be amazing

[@TramiNguyen-oi3kp]

Happy 15th Anniversary, Super Smash Bros. Brawl!

[@aaronlo9651]

I think a Mortal Kombat rep wouldn't be likely because of Japan having bad blood with it but overall awesome video

[@davidvkimball]

Very unlikely - that's why this is the blessed timeline, where anything's possible. 😎

[@banjo9158]

Not in the 2000's, Japan only started having bad blood with MK after the 2010's.

[@lemon5000-tj6nv]

Some of the characters here wouldve been cut or replaced, like young link being replaced for toon link, and pichu being replaced for plusle and minun who were a part of the forbidden seven. Speaking of the forbidden seven, i could see dixie kong being added as a semi clone of diddy, just like how toon link and wolf were last minute smei clone additions And now that wolf was already added in the last game, maybe they could put krystal in this one, since in our timeline she actually was considered but decided against as it was easier to add wolf as a semi clone with the time they had. Now that this is the second game and im assuming this is after the first game was a massive success in the blessed timeline, square would probably be fine with cloud joining the roster Sub Zero is too much of a pipe dream pick even for this timeline I dont see toon link being a highly rquested zelda newcomer when midna, skull kid, impa and even tingle are probably the ones u hear most often when it comes to zelda newcomers in our timeline No lynn is kinda odd since she's a fan favourite I dont see black shadow being highly requested, he would probably be a toon link or wolf situation where its a bonus semi clone character added late into development. The only reason ppl ask for him in our timeline is so ganondorf can get a new moveset with black shadow using his current moveset but with the brawl/sm4sh smash attacks instead of the sword isaac i can see being added in, as well as andy or sami from advance wars I wouldve added classic megaman over X also would rare still be a second party developer for nintendo in this timeline?

[@davidvkimball]

Toon Link was added on Deluxe, not Special. And yeah Rare would still be second party.

[@mushroomfusion245]

Curious why you decided on Navarre over Lyn. I figured she would be more popular.

[@davidvkimball]

Navarre was a character Sakurai wanted to include since the beginning, a personal favorite of his.

[@dcb99filmz]

@@davidvkimball besides, it would've been cool to hear the voice of DIO in Smash

[@StarzGecko]

Wished the cut characters Tetra/Toon Zelda, Mii Fighter, Plus & Min, Villager we’re added since it would been really neat timeline.

[@davidvkimball]

Something I considered!

[@welchrebooted4739]

I can see mii's and villiager still not being included due to brawl being the 1st time they would have been considered, pacman would've probably been asked about by miyamoto and denied by sakurai around the 1st game in this timeline instead so he gets a pass here.

[@Geneolgia]

This is how Metroid should have been represented back in Brawl when the franchise still was in its golden age, I still find it baffling how they didn't put Dark Samus which was an easy addition and by now her moveset would have differed more just like Luigi, and of course Ridley who I understand probably was a hard addition during Brawl but still. Nice on adding Castlevania too, for some reason I feel like it was a missing 3rd party franchise in Smash for too long considering it's closely tied with Nintendo.

[@davidvkimball]

Agree!

[@John-Rockafelluhh]

Class vid lad

[@davidvkimball]

Thank you sir.

[@tigglesbruh]

This is super cool! I think the main change I would make would be purely visual, just to make the Brawl artstyle a little more consistent throughout the game, although that's more of a Project Remix problem than a video problem

[@davidvkimball]

Totally. And the fact is, I could have nabbed more footage from vanilla Brawl, but I liked showcasing the other modes +features for visibility.

[@MonteRicard]

For the latest DX update for REMIX, the team made an effort to make the backported characters from Ultimate visually fit in more with the Brawl artstyle. Hopefully you noticed the differences while watching David's video!

[@tigglesbruh]

@@MonteRicard I played remix a few months ago, how often is it updated?

[@MonteRicard]

@@tigglesbruh the latest version (.95DX) dropped on the 18th of April, and the latest trailer for the build also highlighted the new visuals for the backported characters.

[@tigglesbruh]

@@MonteRicard oh sick, I gotta try it out

[@ssasuke125]

I can't wait to see the blessed timelines versions of ssb4 and ssbu that would be interesting.

[@itsumifushiguro8736]

This is such great speculation of what's it gonna be when Smash gotten better. So glad to be your 1,000th liker of this "what if" video too.

[@davidvkimball]

I appreciate the like! Thanks!

[@drasnaescastle]

I haven't even watched the video yet and I'm excited! This is my favourite smash game!

[@davidvkimball]

Great! Enjoy!

[@Yikes6571]

Since this is technically the melee of this alternate universe, would we see people using and prasing the wii pro controller religiously, instead of the gamecube controller?

[@ashmario9281]

This is amazing

[@davidvkimball]

Thanks, glad you like it!

[@illford6921]

I like this, because if i were to make a smash game for everyone that would be broadly appealing it would probably play a lot like a halfway of stuff from brawl and melee, the only melee thing i would've removed in L-Cancelling purely for accessibility sake and since it's one of the mechanics with less impact. Good newcomer choices as well, excellent video.

[@davidvkimball]

Thank you! Why not do the PM solution which is a toggle for auto-L-canceling? Since Sakurai included "smooth landing" in the first two games he released, and in this timeline this is Smash game #2, I figured he would have kept it in.

[@thedapperdolphin1590]

@@davidvkimball Smash is better off without it. It’s better to just have the benefits of lower landing lag than to hide it behind a mechanic that’s inaccessible to some, especially because there’s no reason not to use it

[@thedapperdolphin1590]

So, basically what we got eventually with Ultimate?

[@potatostuffing5643]

Smash 4 is up next for the Blessed Timeline. Maybe that game will give us characters like Dante from DMC, or Zael from The Last Story. Maybe even Ayumi Tachibana or Athena Asamiya or even Lili De Rochfort. Dang it, now im just getting myself very excited. I really would like to see.

[@davidvkimball]

😊

[@balkyrie]

i love this fanfic so much. based

[@davidvkimball]

Thanks!!

[@newmallenium]

My only complaints about this roster are the absence of Tails and the fact that X is the Mega Man represented instead of the classic one (that's just my personal preference), but other than that, the only characters I would say are missing are the ones whose absences make sense: the Animal Crossing reps (this was before Sakurai thought they could work in a fighting game), Crash Bandicoot (licensing conflict and this was before he was cool again) and anyone who didn't exist back when this game would've come out. It fixes almost all the problems I had with the blessed Melee roster. Also, how the heck are they going to make a coherent Subspace Emissary with a roster this big? Edit: So turns out X being on the roster was meant to be Mega Man classic. It was just an oversight. Well that's one less issue I have with this timeline now.

[@davidvkimball]

Thank you! Yes you found my comment about X, good. And I have plans to make a Subspace video after this, could be pretty ambitious so we'll see haha. I like your thoughts and additions.

[@newmallenium]

@@davidvkimball Nice.

[@aaronlo9651]

Tbh I'm not sure I'd see any Mortal Kombat rep in Smash especially when you consider how MK seems to have some bad blood with the Jaoanese but I could be wrong. Also I think I would have chosen Lyn instead of Navarre but that's just me. And I ould have added Palutena when she joined Smash 4. Overall awesome video

[@davidvkimball]

You're right - very unlikely - that's why this is the blessed timeline, where anything's possible. 😎 I chose Navarre because Sakurai personally wanted him in the game since the beginning. Glad you enjoyed the video!

[@brandonwilliams6119]

Lyn could be unlockable Just like everyone else

[@tonygrillo4177]

have you ever thought of giving us the stage roster of this video, or can you combine 2 blessed timelines from melee and brawl into one game?

[@davidvkimball]

I did consider it!

[@larryflaco8320]

also for accsesabillty they would add a 5 frame buffer on deflut but you can disable it if your not used to it

[@davidvkimball]

Absolutely not.

[@NitroExists]

LESSGOOO? A SEQUEL??? Truly awesome, honestly this would be such a Goated timeline.. AND I CAN PLAY IT, TOO? (fr PMEX is so good) now I only wonder…. would 4th party be on the table in this universe?

[@davidvkimball]

Guess you'll have to stick around and subscribe to see! 😉

[@apexMX125]

Seeing Daisy, King K Rool, Dark Samus, Ridley, Terry, Kazuya, Sephiroth, Banjo-Kazooie, Dragón Quest Hero and Sora in the roster. This looks like If Brawl was Ultimate.

[@Helios2737]

So, if you're willing to do a brawl video, is there any chance you're ever going to cover the other Non-HAL smash games? Personally, something like if Smash 4 never came to the 3DS interests me, if they never had to put the resources into that version and had the manpower of both games' dev teams, as well as not needing to account for the 3DS' limitations, how would the game have turned out? That's always something I've thought about. Edit: Wait was Brawl made by HAL? Tbh I can't remember anymore, I swear it wasn't tho, if it is I really need to refresh my knowledge on the history of this franchise.

[@davidvkimball]

Brawl was not made by HAL. Also you bring up an interesting premise, honestly that's the one idea I might roll with if I did do a Smash 4 video.

[@Helios2737]

@@davidvkimball I'm glad you like my idea! Personally it's always something I've thought about a ton, especially given Sm4sh was the first smash I really got invested in, it holds a special place to me. 😅

[@davidvkimball]

@@Helios2737 There's no doubt the 3DS version held the Wii U version back. People enjoy Smash Run and I get that, but overall it did more harm that good. Imagine if they could have poured those resources into the Wii U version. Of course the 3DS version sold better, so financially it was the right choice. Still... haha.

[@Helios2737]

@@davidvkimball Yeah! Smash Run is like, the one thing that made 3DS worth it. The novelty of playing Smash on a console barely bigger than an iPhone was certainly there but like, it wore off fast. I think if the game had only been on WiiU it would've been way worse financially, but the game would've been significantly better, and possibly might've actually sold more WiiUs

[@davidvkimball]

@@Helios2737 Yep agreed

[@omarmendez0402]

Even in that timeline, Banjo and Kazooie went from Rareware reps to Microsoft reps.

[@tigglesbruh]

Quick question, what settings have you adjusted to get the game to look this good?

[@davidvkimball]

It's in Dolphin. Mostly just resolution and some of the advanced settings like filtering.

[@azurewarrior2000]

5:31 That's X, not Mega Man. Seems like you got mixed up on them, the Mega Man we officially have in Smash is Rock aka Classic Mega Man, X is his successor in the series' timeline and one of the Mega Men in his Final Smash.

[@Phantom21Productions]

Do you think You'll might do a More What If Smash Video's Likee What If Smash 4 and Ultimate was Better?

[@davidvkimball]

Possibly.

[@AlexPerrine]

Here’s a what if. What if Minecraft Story Mode entered development sooner and released in 2014.

[@davidvkimball]

What? 😅

[@KenRising1996]

Will there be a part 2 towards this video?

[@alleycatgaming5433]

Look, i get it's to help with video formatting and experiencing but don't use mods as a crutch when designing rosters, with Melee as the first, I could realistically see those characters happening but this feels a lot more obvious mainly: Toon Link being a fan favorite when 2 other Links existing Blazekin being in the game when there is another fully evolved fire starter right next to it. Palutena has a moveset, who unlike Pit wasn't playable and didn't have much to work with. Castlevania having two unique characters the first time around. Sub-Zero being around when ratings issues exist. Sora being playable despite Disney. There are limits to suspension of disbelief, sorry.

[@banjo9158]

1 - Nintendo would realistic want to promote wind waker, Sakurai likes to add clone characters to make the roster bigger, Toon Link is a safe pick for both sides. 2 - I don't think Nintendo characters about which type of Pokémon they add in the game, if they did, we would had Decidueye instead of Incineroar in Ultimate (also a Ghost type, because it's baffled that till this day Smash never had a Ghost type Pokémon). 3 - I agree with Palutena, but Sakurai could make something for her if he want to, but the chances of the moveset being the exact same of Smash 4/Ultimate are kinda low. 4 - It depends on the development time, if it has enough time to develop both, i think they would add both, but yeah, adding 3 Castlevania characters could be a stretch, but if they had extra time, sure. 5 - Snake is also from an M Rated game, so, i don't see the problem with Sub-Zero, unless you mean something else? 6 - It was said on an interview that the issue with Sora getting in Smash was not Disney, but Square, there's also the fact that Sora is a character that need both companies to agree on everything for the character to be added, which must be awful, it's not too unrealistic for Sora to get in, i think the bigger problem is to have both Sora and Hero/Erdrick at once, 2 Square characters with Square being so problematic to work with might be a stretch.

[@alleycatgaming5433]

@@banjo9158 Mortal Kombat is way more brutal than Metal Gear. It's more closer to Resident Evil, which is censored in Japan. As for Blazekin, my thought process is that he's too generic, Incineroar at least represented a fighting style that hadn't been fully represented. Personally, I would've gone with Swampert, it's a fully evolved water type that has a secondary typing of ground.

[@banjo9158]

​@@alleycatgaming5433 I don't think that would still give any rating issues, M Rated is M Rated, no matter what, might be harder to go through some issues here and there to make it work, but it's definetly doable. hell, i don't even doubt Residnet Evil would be possible even if it's more mature than Metal Gear, Resident Evil even have spirits in Smash, so i don't think there is an issue there, is that really your only concern? I understand wanting to choose someone else over Blaziken, hell, i think Gardevoir would be a better pick, i don't really care about Pokémon characters needing to be starters, Gardevoir is very popular, Gardevoir is a more female looking Pokémon which is good for more female representation and variety, Gardevoir could have a fun and unique moveset. But i think Blaziken back then was still more popular (safe to say Gardevoir is more popular nowadays because of... REASONS, but those... REASONS, weren't as spread out and as big as it is nowadays because of only few people having acess to internet, 2006 was a whole other world pretty much), and Nintendo would more likely choose him over everyone else, i think even Sakurai would, it's just the more likely outcome, it sucks, but it is what it is, although i don't think Blaziken is a bad inclusion overall, there's just better options.

[@davidvkimball]

not intending to convince anyone that this is realistic, just a fun story.

[@banjo9158]

@@davidvkimball also because there is already a mod for blaziken, which makes it easier to edit.

[@welchrebooted4739]

surprised not to see dixie, toon zelda, tetra, and krystal given the fact that they all were either considered or actually had data in the game but were scrapped, also while I would understand that this would be before gen 4's release date in this time line and understand, I do miss lucario rip. though I can see the game still getting a delay since the 1st delay was about the story mode as opposed to sonic. actually the story mode to this would more interesting like imagine king k rool, wolf, black shadow, sephiroth, dark samus, ridley (even if he already was), waluigi, and kazuya were working alongside bowser, ganondorf, and wario under tabuu.

[@davidvkimball]

Totally. I thought about including all of the forbidden 7, but figured this would be a better set. Maybe Krystal could have been included.

[@jiggling86]

It's almost like this video is showing the roster from smash ultimate! Damn

[@davidvkimball]

Ha yeah it's similar.

[@fandecheems1]

Make a video showing all those new trophies please

[@davidvkimball]

At the end I showed quite a lot of them! To be fair I don't know how many new ones have been added.

[@cloudycloud7666]

So... If this was the timeline... What would happen to the Subspace Emisarry then?

[@MaxP345]

This looks cool, and the roster looks amazing. I just wish that Tails was there alongside Sonic, Shadow, and Knuckles (I'm sorry for saying that). And would it be possible to see the new Brawl trophies like in Melee or no?

[@davidvkimball]

LOL. I accept your apology. Also yeah, you can see the new trophies at the end.

[@MaxP345]

@@davidvkimball Neat. Thanks

[@Neo_X90X]

If there was one character that I wanted in smash was ryu hyabusa from (ninja gaiden) and is mind blown to me that we never got a dlc, mii suit, or even a trophy at any point in the smash series but yet his games started on nes and even team ninja help made a few games with nintendo but snake in the same way starting out on nes as well, was able to make it into the games. btw no dr. eggman trips me out how that iconic villain also never made it either is wild and poor waluigi fans who really wanted him in the games too.

[@davidvkimball]

Interesting, yeah Ryu Hyabusa is a great choice. Would love to see the Ninja Gaiden series get more love.

[@AwesomeMooseSmile]

Same with digimon and FNAF

[@omegahaxors3306]

5:53 that's the point where you realize you're dreaming and decide to soar off over the mountains.

[@davidvkimball]

Yep lol

[@AwesomeMooseSmile]

do you know where a good guide is to get Codename melee deluxe to work (unless i've done something REALLY wrong and it's nothing more difficult than any other brawl mod) because I can't figure this out.

[@davidvkimball]

Join the Discord server.

[@AwesomeMooseSmile]

yours? because if so I can't find one, and I can't find a discord for codename melee

[@davidvkimball]

@@AwesomeMooseSmile discord.gg/vwD7m9RaGc

[@RougeMephilesClone]

Echoing the sentiment at the end, if you think Sub-Zero is the wildest addition to this mod, you haven't seen anything yet. Check it out for yourself.

[@davidvkimball]

hahaha right you are.

[@Horatio786]

If ðis timeline is getting a sequel, can ðe oðer timelines get ðeirs too? I especially want to see what a sequel to ðe six more monþs timeline would be, as I find ðat timeline to be my favorite of ðe þree.

[@juanmonreal4014]

I loved the video, Brawl is my 2nd favorite Smash Bros. after Smash Ultimate You could have asked King Bob Gaming to make custom animations for new scenes of the subspace emissary.

[@davidvkimball]

Hey Juan! Brilliant idea, I love Ryan. He's been great to work with.

[@Michaelwwest98]

Can’t wait to see what blessed Smash Wii U and 3DS as well as blessed Smash Ultimate will look like!

[@davidvkimball]

👀

[@nathanproductions3199]

Do you know what are the links for the characters polls?

[@jacksonlovesnintendo]

Wow if they actually managed to get 70-characters in a Wii game, that would be crazy!!

[@davidvkimball]

Actually this exists! It's a mod but it works on Wii hardware I believe.

[@thedapperdolphin1590]

@@davidvkimball They recommend not using it on the Wii, though I think it technically kinda works there

[@thomasobrien1841]

Ok, now I’m anticipating what this guy is gonna do for ultimate

[@davidvkimball]

👀

[@greninjatron5227]

I'd like to see the timeline where smash bros starts on the nes

[@davidvkimball]

True

[@IronThomasthePokemonfan37]

The only things I see as unrealistic are: Little Mac being in his design from Punch-Out!! Wii, And Lucas being in his Mother 3 design despite Earthbound 64 having been released.

[@davidvkimball]

These are good catches!

[@megatoonEJE]

1.) Looks like Waluigi got a chance to be playable in Smash in this timeline. Come to think of it, who’ll take Waluigi’s assist trophy spot in this timeline? Could it be Piranha Plant? 2.) With Pac-Man in Brawl in this timeline, does his moveset happen to be inspired from either Pac-Man World, Pac-Man 2: The New Adventures, or both of these games? 3.) Is it possible that in the third game for this timeline, could the newcomers included be Lip (Panel de Pon), Rayman, Mach Rider, and maybe Mrs. Pac-Man?

[@user-ub7lw8oq2r]

but Wii was called as Nintendo Revolution (Early Name) in this timeline?

[@davidvkimball]

yes!

[@Micha-Hil]

"What if Brawl was better?" make it melee. hate to break it to you david. good video though :)

[@davidvkimball]

You're not wrong, and that's essentially what this video says!

[@KalaschniKlown]

Sub-Zero…? MY DREAMS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED!!

[@davidvkimball]

🙏

[@KalaschniKlown]

⁠@@davidvkimballhowever, I do think it was a missed opportunity for sub-zero to not have his model from MK Armageddon, as that game had been released 2 years before Brawl did

[@a.calder8217]

Consequences of the blessed timeline from the previous video (What if Melee was the first Smash game?) * Microsoft's buyout of Rareware is butterflied away, as Banjo's appearance in Smash Deluxe implies that either Microsoft's offer fell through, Activision made a better offer, or Nintendo outright bought out Rare. As a result of this, Diddy Kong Pilot and Banjo Kazooie: Grunty's Revenge are released on the GBA as first-party titles (alongside Grabbed by the Ghoulies, Kameo and Viva Pinata onto the GC and Wii, if they aren't butterflied away), Donkey Kong Racing gets finished and released on the GC (butterflying away Donkey Kong Barrel Blast), and Banjo-Threeie is a more traditional platformer, as Nintendo convinces Rare that the ideas for Nuts and Bolts are too divergent of the traditional BK formula. (Nuts and Bolts' engine and mechanics get used for an original property that doesn't exist in our timeline) * Square and Enix's merger still happens as in IOT (since FF: The Spirits Within still likely happened), but Squeenix's relationship with Nintendo is improved with Cloud's appearance in SSB, with the ports of FF1 through FF6 on the GBA happening earlier than IOT, as well as graphically enhanced ports of FF7, FF8 and FF9 on the GC with post-game bonus dungeons and bosses and maybe versions of FFX and X-2, FFXI (compatible with the GC broadband adapter), Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2 (based on the Final Mix versions) and Dragon Quest 8. (DQ4, 5, 6 and 7 get remakes on the GBA and DS). Geno's inclusion * Ryu and Ken's appearance in Smash Deluxe likely build up interest for SFIV, which gets released around the same time as IOT, and gets a slightly downgraded port to the Wii. * Metal Gear Solid is ported to the GameCube, and is much more of a straight port than The Twin Snakes, and is followed by a port of MGS2. (which contains a bonus campaign focusing on Snake's perspective that is later included in the Greatest Hits rerelease on the PS2) MGS3 gets a port on the Wii as well. * Mother 3 is finished earlier for the N64, as HAL had more time to work on it with Smash 64 being butterflied away. Unlike IOT, it does get an international release as EarthBound 64, due to the drought of JRPGs on the system and is somewhat darker than our timeline's version of the game. Mother 1+2 on the GBA also gets an international release, and has a slightly updated translation for both games, for consistency with both EarthBound and EarthBound 64. * As a result of these butterflies, the Nintendo GameCube is more successful than IOT (though still not even coming near the PS2, saleswise), with Nintendo's kiddy image being further shattered and their image of being hard to work with being shattered, with many PS2 or Xbox exclusive games IOT getting GameCube ports. Microsoft's Xbox, while still successful thanks to the popularity of Halo, has to settle for third place.

[@Teckbreak246]

Wait, is Bandana Dee going to be an enemy in subspace? Because that doesn't make sense.

[@Appmer]

Would love to see a blessed smash WiiU and 3DS timeline.

[@davidvkimball]

👀

[@superagaming_064]

Actually the one who you call Erdrick is actually Arusu

[@fahrezasaputra7348]

Next video : What if Melee got an enhanced port for Wii?

[@superagaming_064]

How about smash 4 and ultimate what would those games look like in the bless timeline Ofcorse every fighter in the bless timeline would be in the bless timeline version of smash ultimate But what else

[@chaoticmeep]

R.I.P Lucario But this is a awesome roster!

[@davidvkimball]

Glad you like it!

[@chaoticmeep]

@@davidvkimballare those trophies apart of the game? Because I’m desperately trying to find a showcase of all the trophies

[@davidvkimball]

@@chaoticmeep which trophies? The ones I was showing at the end?

[@chaoticmeep]

@@davidvkimball yeah