What If Britain Kept The Oregon Territory? | Alternate History

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The Oregon Territory had been a subject of dispute between the United States and British Empire for many years, and though Britain had secured near total control of the territory in the War of 1812, a policy of joint occupation was adopted, allowing the territory to slip from British hands, and full under American control, but what if that changed? What would have happened had Britain never lost the Oregon Territory, and just how could Britain have held onto it?
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[@MonsieurDean]

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[@AW27007]

Cool vid Z 👍

[@Red-hh7dm]

Monsieur Z, are you an anglophile?

[@AW27007]

@@Red-hh7dm just like Whatifalthist is a Turkophile

[@rogeliovaldez9689]

do a what if France never invaded mexico, who they intervene in the civil war and on whose side, and what are the effects would France an Britain join in.

[@Red-hh7dm]

@@rogeliovaldez9689 then... They don't invade lol. Exactly how impactful was the Franco-Mexican war?

[@historyrhymes1701]

The Canadian-American border would look a bit less like it was drawn by European colonial empires.

[@goodmorning8526]

Good point

[@togerboy5396]

The only time borders were drawn well are the borders in British Raj

[@mappingshaman5280]

@@togerboy5396 kashmir and the Bangladeshi indian border: are we a joke to you?

[@ivokantarski6220]

Добър вечер Български Имперски. Направи видео эа това как Балканския Съюэ оцелява и как България влиэа в войната малко след битката при дарданелите моля. Ще бъде интересно да видим как се променя войната ако България влиэа от страна на Антантата. Моето мнение е че войната приключва до средата на 1916та. Османската империя пада до 3 месеца след нашето влизане в войната поради това че е столицата бива превэета и после няма как. А срещу Австро Унгария преэ 1916та биват изпратени към един милион войници от антантата който тя няма как да отдържи като Румъния също влеэе във войната. Раэбира се съседите малко ще трябва да пуснат към нас.

[@jeannebouwman1970]

Just because they are squigly doesn’t mean that they are good

[@jgr7487]

what if Spain never sepparated itself from Sardinia, Naples & Sicily?

[@proactiveomnipresentvessel6569]

This Please Sr. Z

[@Red-hh7dm]

Was that not because the Austrian Habsburgs took it by force after the war of spanish succession?

[@jgr7487]

@@Red-hh7dm not rly. the Houses of Bourbon-Parma & Bourbon-Two Sicilies are cadet branches of House Bourbon-Spain created in that order by 2 generations of Kings of Spain.

[@Red-hh7dm]

@@jgr7487 eh? Hang on a minute, they were spanish Habsburgs were they not? The whole point of the war was put the Bourbons on the spanish throne in the first place. That was literally the whole point. Why fight to put a Bourbon on the throne when there's already a Bourbon on the throne. That's makes no sense.

[@jgr7487]

@@Red-hh7dm the division happened in the 18th century when Spain was already under the Bourbons

[@jakehughes6087]

What if Britain was successful in central America

[@marielaaguirre2794]

I don't wanna be ruled by brits

[@weryoni5655]

@@marielaaguirre2794 instead coccie ull eat biscut

[@manuelduarte3039]

Guatemala please

[@garrettallen7427]

MISKITO KINGDOM LETS GO!

[@subifyouhatetiktokandreddit234]

@@marielaaguirre2794 Better than Spanish

[@scottysnintendoreviews3510]

As an Oregonian this is really interesting to watch

[@sethaniel1]

Cascadia forever, from WA

[@Swan_River_Cowboy]

As a western Australian I also find this extremely interesting

[@Cotswolds1913]

Might be your own country now, British Columbia, or just Oregon, or within Canada, but in any case….part of the Commonwealth.

[@nimbizol811]

We need a part 2.

[@이동연-c6d]

I agreed. :)

[@savagedarksider5934]

I agree.

[@Red-hh7dm]

Agreed

[@TeaAndBullets]

Agreed, the idea of the Civil War going global very much interests me

[@olympia5758]

Why is that baby in a fucking toilet???

[@이동연-c6d]

New scenario: What if Dollfuss survives from assassination then allied with Italy to avoid Anschluss and declare a war to Germany? What if Operation Bay of Pigs success? What if Korean Empire survives? What if Poland crush the Soviets during the Polish-Soviet war? What if USA colonized the Japan? What if Napoleon success to take over Egypt? What if France colonized the Korea? What if Roman Empire discover gunpowder? What if Italy didn’t United instead divide as Two kingdom of Sicilian and Kingdom of Italy of North ruled by Sardinia? What if Bulgaria won the Second Balkan War?

[@AW27007]

I dare you to make a giant list of what if scenarios

[@klm9440]

Yeah bro, add 10x the scenarios and then we’ll talk

[@AW27007]

@@klm9440 yeah lol

[@shzarmai]

What if the Kingdom of Kongo survived?

[@arstotzka9988]

What if Japan became a British colony

[@rnin689]

If Britain kept Oregon then I would be Canadian as I live in Washington :/

[@kg7518]

Congrats

[@Shaw4123]

F

[@fifthcolumn388]

@Nig ger snow people bad, i make no distinction between Russians and Canadians.

[@KameroonEmperor]

You just got a better life

[@hermannkarol9370]

this enrage United States Who try to punish britain serverley (Oversimplifiled Joke) But Fun fact *No* (History Matters Joke)

[@clydesteele2925]

What if the Mormons won the Utah War (somehow) and Deseret became a fully independent theocratic state in the American Southwest?

[@AlimTetramorph]

Intetesting, but the Mormons never pushed for independence. The conflict is known as Buchanan's Blunder for a reason.

[@clydesteele2925]

@@AlimTetramorph Fair point, thank you :)

[@spiritorange8325]

Even if they did get independence would anyone actually trade with them and risk angering america. America can completely blockade them from air and land

[@clydesteele2925]

@@spiritorange8325 i was thinking of some situation where they make an arrangement with the Mexican Empire to become an independent vassal, but it started to make less sense the more I thought about it

[@olympia5758]

Deseret would be a landlocked state totally reliable on the US for everything. In fact, it’s position on the map would be so irritating that the US would just invade and annex it some time later.

[@이동연-c6d]

I like it so much that I’d like to see the 2nd episode of this!!!

[@aheath7838]

You used the mural in the Oregon House of Representatives, I’m the Sergeant at Arms in the House and I appreciate your use in the video, very appropriate!

[@stevethomas5849]

Always a throughly fascinating your narratives. I have always even as teenager wondered about parallel universe and alternative history. Now in my 50s.

[@rmar127]

Had Britain retained all of Columbia, I could see the USA annexing more of Mexican after the Mexican American war and possibly annexing Cuba after the Spanish American war.

[@shinizuko]

-What if Italy kept their alliance in WW1 and fought together with the central powers? -What if Germany didn't give Austria-Hungary a blank check in WW1?

[@b.r.6405]

There’s already a video on Italy and central powers.

[@Rauruatreides]

The only negative of this video is the map having a hybrid of historical border (+alt history ones) alongside the modern ones.

[@Thebiggestchief]

Quite an interesting video, good job

[@verilius6026]

You should do a follow-up alt-timeline where Britain kept oregon, *and* supported the CSA in the Civil War :)

[@jaidenmallari8027]

Sus

[@JohnnyYK]

Sus

[@brandonparker348]

Interesting.

[@Numba003]

Wow, it’s interesting how possible something as simple as Britain keeping Oregon leading to an escalation of the US civil war really sounds in this. Nifty thought experiment as always. Stay well out there everybody, and God bless you friends. :)

[@bkgames2]

What if Sweden won the Great Northern war, is that a good suggestion?

[@lupaloop]

The world would be beautiful

[@Veriox22]

Then big sweden, really.

[@sethaniel1]

"What if King Charles XII wasn't assassinated (and won the battle in Norway)."

[@Cotswolds1913]

The Baltic would be an incredible place today. Modern-day Estonia, Ingria, Latvia and Lithuania, might be as rich as Western Europe.

[@gog_magpie]

Baltic States: we are Nordic xd

[@Myron90]

The Oregon trail is more important than we previously thought... God bless that game.

[@jgr7487]

"part 2: What if the American Civil War went global?" when?

[@MissionHomeowner]

I live in British Columbia. I used to work exactly on the Canadian-American border, but always wished we could get the USA to trade us their Whatcom county for, oh, our Quebec.

[@JimB.Walken]

I died of dysentery when he mentioned oregon trail

[@ethanwmonster9075]

If Britain decides to get cheeky with America in these timelines then it's all too good for the kaiser.

[@lilbrit1019]

Americans: War of 1812 had no winner The rest of the world: Just admit Britain won the war

[@lilbrit1019]

@@Shilanga-w2k Its not that important in the UK we dont even learn about it because like you said the Napoleonic wars were on, but the point is that majority of countries admit Britain won the war even if it doesn't hold much significance to them

[@lilbrit1019]

@@Shilanga-w2k Ahhh i see where you got confused! No sweat broskie its kinda weird how some yanks get so heated in this topic like the simplest way to look at it is. USA invasion failed = goal achieved then Britain's goal: don't let the war drag & be strong enough to combat napoleon But thanks for being nice in your reply on youtube i know its easy to dig your heels in! thanks cousin across the Atlantic pond

[@emrysgeibhendach7572]

@@lilbrit1019 i personally disagree first you classify the United states goal as trying conquer Canada this claim is false but in order to understand why we need to know why the war started in the first point 1. the UK had been boarding American ships and kidnapping American sailors 2. the British where arming the newly established country called the Indian confederacy who had claims in Michigan the another words the war was started duo to a territory dispute between the United states and Britain's ally the Indian confederacy and Britain viotlating the united states liberty another words the united states goals in the war was to secure Michigan and insure that Britain would respect it as a independent country Annexing Canada was just a plus but did the united states achieve its goal well yes actually it achieved more then its original goals during the peace deal the united states agreed to not take any land from the british empire how ever it only made the agreement with Britain the united states didn't just reassert its claims in Michigan but it completely annexed Britains ally not just that but united states had also defeated the Spanish empire during the and Spain was forced to give territory from from Spanish controlled Florida and had annexed the Spanish proxy tribe the red sticks while also commiting a few war crimes and human rights violations on the way mean while Britain had lost its ally in north America and effectively gained nothing from the war and was forced to stop kidnapping American sailors and respect the united states as was a independent country in the end the treaty stated that the war was a draw how ever if i had to choose who won the united states or Britain and its coalition i would choose the united states sorry for spelling errors i typed this at 3AM so i'm pretty tired

[@lilbrit1019]

@@emrysgeibhendach7572found the yank, come on just agree with what legit every country thinks Britain gave up more in the peace deal to stop worrying about North America, it shows after 1812 Anglo America relations basicly always went up. Remember America mediated the Venezuela territory dispute shortly after the war and gave most of Britain's demands and continued to ignore Britain sneaking into South so this shows we didn't lose an ally infact we gained one, a country you can have a relationship like we did in the 1800s was insanely benifiting, even more when you think Europe didn't actually have allies it had friends for short periods of time who had mutual interests It was an attempt to conquer by definition of the word to try to use another is delusion, an attempt to hide the failure and create an argument out of thin air. Britain stopped kidnapping sailors because yes it was agreed but remember the Americans were trading and selling arms to napoleonic. France, weird how when that stopped we didn't kidnap any more sailors. Legit every country think Britain won this war. To think Britain wanted to gain land from this war is wrong, its widely accepted they wanted to end it quick enough to go to the big boy play ground with napoleon it's why we sailed up to you capitol and burnt it or why we bombarded basicly anything on the coast, as sign of brute force to get you to a peace talk. The agreement to stop arming natives in that time isn't a sign of a loss, its was a normal thing for us Europeans to agree to this after a war. The war was status quo but the war being over quick is what Britain wanted. Also fun fact another reason we were boarding ships is some were slave ships and they were being boarded by the west African squadron who goal it was to capture the cargo and crew, take the cargo home or to the empire live a new life and trail the crew for slaving.

[@Doochos]

@@Shilanga-w2k Yank is a slur?

[@francisandrewreblando1577]

Do the metropol alternative history video for the metropol empire.

[@imperiumCirca41]

Fax

[@celtic4518]

Ayo, love the videos and your upload consistency is great mate!

[@HAYJ04]

Please continue this time line its so interesting

[@Goldenblitzer]

if britain kept all of british columbia, then North America would have some gross border gore!

[@Tnpt_studios]

Claim your "within 10 mins" ticket here

[@kaiserwilhelmii674]

How about a 'what if the storming of the Bastille failed?'

[@rokball4892]

5:58 Opening of the video

[@vladimirgunnar7015]

This was something i never wonderd. But Great.

[@Jane_8319]

I’m from Washington State, super excited for a video on the PNW!

[@thomaswagner4457]

This situation would cause a larger issue during the Civil War. I think the Confederacy would eventually gain independence as a sovereign nation and establish profitable deals with Britain.

[@Nostripe361]

The issue is the lower class public in Britain were vastly pro union. Outright support for the confederates could cause massive headaches at home not to mention the US could use this as a an excuse to attack Canada.

[@spiritorange8325]

@@Nostripe361 To add onto this the cons massively outweigh the pros Pros: New potential ally Weakened america Trade deals Cons: Lower class are upset at you for supporting slavery America may attack canada if they do trade If they go to war having to transport troops across the ocean

[@Nostripe361]

@@spiritorange8325 I think Turtledove did this timeline really well; though it does mirror our timeline a bit too much in places. It lead to an overall worse timeline where the US is more militaristic, confederacy is ultimately reconquered in the 1940s after pulling a holocaust level genocide on the Blacks in the South. Canada is conquered. The Mormons are forcefully relocated to Hawaii for constant revolts and terrorist attacks. The British and French nations are crushed by Germany after a nuclear exchange. And suicide bombing is common in the Western world at the end of 2nd world war.

[@이동연-c6d]

If that happens and Canada had a new state & British Columbia will expand it’s territories! Rule Britannia!!! XD

[@Red-hh7dm]

I raise my cup of tea to you good sir!

[@NameN0tFound]

I can’t wait to hear about the online learning platform Squarespace!

[@Myron90]

Canada is a buffer country between US and UK.

[@WorldArchivist]

What if the Dogger Bank incident led to war between Russia and Britain?

[@Doochos]

British victory.

[@WorldArchivist]

@@Doochos I know that, but I'm curious about the aftermath.

[@jeffgraham9208]

As I learned in grade 8, Manifest Destiny was actually a thing. 54-40 or fight…😂

[@douglasfirtree]

it would be interesting and nice if oregon either was independent with those old borders or they still had the old borders as one state

[@lancejacobs2913]

What if Custer survived/won at Little Bighorn?

[@arwing20]

Not likely for either case. The moron decided to attack a much larger force and got him and his men surrounded and butchered. It was in his nature and him doing something different in regards to battle plan was not very likely

[@DoktorNFC]

New Caledonia isn’t in Canada, it’s in French Polynesia.I think you might be thinking of Cascadia?

[@fritz404]

British Columbia was previously named New Caledonia

[@Angelic_Vanguard]

I am stunned how you made Canada owning Oregon look good border-wise

[@dracodeanglicus3857]

USA in 1812: Limey! Britain in 1812: Yes. (Laughs Britishly) Britain: If it were, if it were Republicanism you would win, but you lose! USA: lose where? lose where? Britain: You lose! Why is White House this: (shows White House before war) But this: (Shows burned White House)

[@GumSkyloard]

The only one who lost was Grammar.

[@moritamikamikara3879]

Uhhh ???

[@dracodeanglicus3857]

@@GumSkyloard not a fan of Balkan memes I see.

[@simplypat]

Had a stroke reading this

[@Nothing-1w3]

Godzilla had a stroke trying to read this and fucking died

[@jeffs4483]

The most logical geographical boundary would have been along the Columbia river and would have given Britain control of the 2 most strategic parts of the entire Oregon territory, Puget Sound and the Columbia. They got neither.

[@nobledictator2906]

What if America was never discovered, like all of Europe accepted the cape route and the americas would only be discovered around 1600s and at that time the native Americans be more advanced

[@danshakuimo]

Reminds me of one of my Civ 4 games where the New World was so neglected by the Old World powers, by the time I got there with my WW1 era tech the natives were in the Napoleonic era. I remember there being one other city from an old world civ but idk when they got there.

[@nobledictator2906]

The glory old days of civ 4

[@chrismoderate3495]

Technically, the US still had that little bit of the mississippi basin that goes up into canada now adays. The border wasn't a straight line until the agreement was made.

[@lucasugafan4419]

What if the Vikings took paris? (Norman raid)

[@Red-hh7dm]

Then I suspect France would take on a more norse character, rather than the norse taking on a more French character.

[@lucasugafan4419]

if that happened the Vikings and probably would've lasted longer

[@Red-hh7dm]

@@lucasugafan4419 yep and ironically, so too would Anglo-Saxon England.

[@jamescoulson7729]

Small error But Vancouver island was not a part of Columbia until after the usa took southern Columbia.

[@ionryful]

What if Japan discovered America/colonized the West?

[@AaronGuest]

Even if they did, they never would held it for long, the U.S. would've taken the area, either through force or by buying it, and if it's through force they also wouldn't have had Canada either.

[@AaronGuest]

@AB - 07MA 780507 Robert H Lagerquist Sr PS Even here the British wouldn't be able to fight against the U.S., or do much in it anyway, and the U.S. would've gone to war with Britain long before the Civil War.

[@Red-hh7dm]

@@AaronGuest they already did in 1812 and failed. So why would this time be any different?

[@AaronGuest]

@AB - 07MA 780507 Robert H Lagerquist Sr PS I know what divide and conquer means, and it still wouldn't work, the Union would still blockade the South, meaning British ships would've been able to get to any Southern ports anyway. That doesn't change the fact that the U.S. would go to war with them at the lastest in the 1840s around the time that we invaded Mexico and it would be for the same reason, and the U.S. would have the capabilty to do it because there actually be a threat to the U.S. in this scenario meaning that U.S. would actuall build up a large and capable military, not to mention that most the people in those areas would be American just like irl.

[@AaronGuest]

@@Red-hh7dm Failed? So the Brits still impressed U.S. sailors, they stopped U.S. expansion into the West like they wanted? No So I guess the U.S. are the ones who won huh?

[@Red-hh7dm]

@@AaronGuest the US tried to annex Canada, they failed. No they didn't win. Also 1) impressing happened to British deserters, not Americans as a rule, (although some did get entangled) 2) the issue of impressment was settled BEFORE the outbreak of war. 3) the US already owned that land, so your framing is incorrect.

[@ryanbartlett1148]

I know it would be a simpler one, but, what if the US held onto the entire Oregon Territory. Or as a larger scenario, what if the Western Provinces either defected or were conquered by the US, either as an extension of the War of 1812, the conflict over the Oregon Territory, or a separate event all together.

[@darkwoods1224]

Do what if China collapsed like Rome whilst Rome stayed together. Basically what if Europe became like Asia and Asia became like Europe alternate history. Would be interesting.

[@danshakuimo]

Some nomadic barbarians from the north: We are the real China and have the Mandate of Heaven! Some rump state of former main dynasty: You don't have the Mandate, aren't even Chinese, and not an empire! Many years later: Former nomad kingdoms: hey look old books time to start coming up with new ideas Some scholar: Confucius was right about somethings but some of these rules are outdated and don't make sense

[@darkwoods1224]

@@danshakuimo I think what would have happened is with China balkanized each state would've formed their own identity, with the southern Cantonese Chinese states like Nanyue, Fujian, and Taiwan becoming sort of like Spain and Portugal, as they would become naval powers and colonize early on. Japan would clearly become Britain and Northern California and Southern Canada in our world would be like the 13 colonies. Northern Han China would form sort of a HRE of smaller states and be like Germany I imagine.

[@SireJaxs]

it my birthday today and you uploaded :D

[@thorpeaaron1110]

Happy Birthday

[@Red-hh7dm]

Happy bday bro

[@SireJaxs]

@@thorpeaaron1110 thank you :D

[@SireJaxs]

@@Red-hh7dm thank you :D

[@blur-blade4981]

It was just getting interesting!

[@humzahahmad2818]

I completed the scenario about the USSR joining the Axis. Let me know what you think about it!

[@colemcmullen1111]

There's still time for us to get it back 🇨🇦

[@hancocki]

Maybe, in an alternate timeline, an alternate President Trump would sell WA and OR to Canada in exchange for Greenland.

[@colemcmullen1111]

@@hancocki we'll take that deal, especially since we don't own green land.

[@wilburmay3602]

How do I submit my own history/scenario?

[@jbd12344]

Dont fret, soon we will have an army strong enough to free you from the progressive commercial from which you are imprisoned!

[@AW27007]

Lol

[@stevenc.6502]

The larger colony on the west coast is likely to be split in two, so modern day Canada would have two provinces on the Pacific; maybe North Columbia and South Columbia, or New Caledonia and Columbia. The name British Columbia would not be used, as there would be no American Columbia to the south. In our history, when a bill was prepared in Congress to set up the Columbia Territory the proposed name was changed to Washington because of the existence of the District of Columbia.

[@antarctican_immagrants6849]

Holy cow, that caption joke was funny

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

Hail British Cascadia, the greatest of the American nations.

[@klm9440]

Yes, I am cascadian

[@ivokantarski6220]

Canada great? History wont remember

[@kwikstik]

What if the United Kingdom of the Netherlands didn't split in 1830 and instead remained united. How would that have changed the european balance of power?

[@yousaywhatnow2195]

Short answer: the walloons and maybe Flemings get even more pissed about having to deal with the situation for lack of any better alternatives than they are in OTL.

[@kwikstik]

I'm not sure how heavily those issues will play. The Flemish language issues were indeed a real struggle, but the independence movement only gained track thanks to the Flamenpolitik of the Germans during WW1. It was the French-speaking elite that had a problem with the language policy of Willem 1. The average inhabitant was used to the elite speaking a different language, even in the southern part they didn't really speak French, but closely resembling dialects. Ik think, if Willem's government had exiled the most extreme insurectionists to the Dutch Indies, they could have slowly bled the independence movement out, leaving the moderates in power to negotiate with.

[@robertelee9746]

Great video

[@rorymoore9269]

This could have happened but- the americans kept coming and didnt stop coming, Hopped in their waggons and hit the ground running, Didn't make sense to keep sharing oregon since they outnumbered the british more than 6 to 1

[@KushinLos]

How about if this situation ended up in an independent Oregon nation state?

[@coyryan8750]

Please make a continuation of this video

[@rokball4892]

Too bad that that this never happens in our timeline…. >:(

[@RemberReach]

What if Ethiopia won the Second Italo Ethiopian War?

[@Red-hh7dm]

Then Italy doesn't feel so big and doesn't go to war and thus does not become a liability for Germany, thus the invasion of the USSR becomes significantly easier and possibly at best a german victory in the east, which leads to an armistice in the west Or at worst, it just leads to stalemate, then armistice in the east followed by the west and Nazi Germany survives. Yeah, Ethiopia should probably just bite the bullet on that one lol

[@aureliencronos8753]

What it the opposite happened : USA gaining all Oregon, purchasing Alaska, and then owning the whole North America Pacific Coast ?

[@earlwyss520]

Cool, now you have to go into the US Civil War from here. My suggestion is that the British reinforce Canada, but remain on the fence in regards to supporting the Confederacy until the battle of Gettysburg. During the July of 1863 & the Battle of Gettysburg, & the draft riots in NYC, British troops move into New England retaking it permanently for the Crown & Canada. When news of the British invasion, New England units engaged in hostilities with the Confederates at Gettysburg pull with draw and head northeast defend their homes. However they will be too late, and will be forced to surrender to the British as they will be too exhausted to fight.

[@user-ft3jq5vi2l]

What if Spain and Portugal remained united?

[@KnightofGondor671]

Can you do a series of What if videos on the Wars of the Roses? Like what if the Lancasters won instead of the Yorks or what if Richard III defeated Henry Tudor during Bosworth? Or even what if Henry V lived long enough to inherit the French Crown and could have molded his weak son Henry VI into a somewhat decent King or at least have other sons/heirs?

[@chillaxo9863]

"Liberating Canada" lmfao

[@The_Alt_Vault]

Interesting ideas, So my perspective on things continuing here would see the civil war braking out as it did in our time line importantly this brings in the state that both did and did not exist colorado or Southern calafornia. The state being pro CSA and holding a large population would brake off in favour of the confederacy but would exist more as an annoyance to the US as this state would have a major effect on us power in the Pacific and would be supplied by the British. With Lincon still moving the goal of the war to be the liberation of the slaves most foreign support for the CSA would dry up. Interestingly though I could see colorado braking off from the CSA near the end of the war maintaing slavery and placing itself under British protection acting as a hub for slave owners and confederacy supporters to flee too. After the civil war the US would probably want to avoid war with Britain since their would already have been some close calls that could have seen British or French intervention. This now leaves the US with only upper calafornia as its gate to the Pacific, with development having been all but reset on America expansion here the US could likely just cut its loses maybe allowing it to become independent or allow it to become part of the proposed Republic of Deserate. With Deserate being independent it would likely try to remain neutral but would have a preference for America over Britain. Colorado would be a rogue element being technically pro British but also likely to declare war on Mexico for Bajar. America would be anti British but with the US now reliant on the Atlantic would be forced to play nice with Britain who would likely still have to surrender the job of protecting North America to them to focuse on the rest of the world. Overall world history isn't effected to much as nothing here stops the world wars or changes anything like that, interestingly enough British Colombia could become its own nation being rich in minerals due to its wealth and distance from the rest of the Canadian population. Meanwhile Colorado would be oil rich, with all the rest of the trappings of southern calafornia with a government closer to that of the modern republican party but with a higher degree of British influence. And Deserat well its just Mormons.

[@rm-1575]

Who made this painting at 0:51

[@MBP1918]

Interesting video

[@populistrevolution5197]

What if it was the opposite, the USA getting all of british columba

[@Nifertx]

6:49 Is that an independent Deseret city state I see?

[@Lukdnuke_Narson]

Good morning

[@Shaw4123]

Mornin

[@benjaminobienu5297]

This a great what-if video Mr. Z, I never knew if Oregon was kept under the British's hands would that means Oregon would be stable but Oregon is already in this timeline. Do you refer to Columbia? Also what if every African country unites and resists European colonization? Which would any African empire with combined forces from different kingdoms resist European colonization if so what are possibilities any mighty forces of Africans with combined armies and lead by their leaders try to invade Europe? Do you think any African Kingdom or Empire with combined forces invade Europe and would Europe be a new land settlement for Africans or would there a major resistance to any other European country? Anyway this great video Mr. Z, but would there a part two for this or that it? I'm glad you still have so many supporters and this channel is running for you're one of my favorites alternate histroains for you're the one who inspires me to like alternate histories by watching your channel.

[@redacted5657]

What if Caesar wasn’t assassinated

[@Red-hh7dm]

Oooh that's a big one

[@klm9440]

He would live longer I guess

[@NoUseforaFlip]

Can you do a video on what if the Oregon territory became a nation?

[@Moltentrust96]

Please give a part2

[@xavierglennie4551]

What if Britain retained control of the Suez?

[@sirsmiles1915]

suggestion: what if Gaul managed to fight of the roman empire ?

[@simonlee7077]

The US got the good half of the oregon territory :(. I live in BC and Vancouver is boxed into a corner surrounded by mountains. Even when you drive to Bellingham which is close to the border, you already have such a big open area to build more housing; let alone the path along the way to Seattle which is also mostly flat. Instead, we only got Delta and that's reserved for farmland. So, we have no space. The Puget Sound is also what the Brits consider to be a superior harbor. If the borders had been drawn at the columbia river, things would be a lot different. But no, Vancouver's in a valley which is the only viable place for urban settlement in BC

[@jeffs4483]

Interesting how there is such limited living space considering the overall size of BC.

[@kenjiwolf7568]

Can you do a video on the opposite scenario, if the U.S took what would become British Columbia?

[@angushughes5371]

NO!!! IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!! THIS DOES NOT PLEASE ME!!!

[@raphlvlogs271]

Canada is the Belgium of Britain, Belgium is the Canada of Spain.

[@richardcarlson127]

Have you done a video on the opposite scenario; if the US prevailed and took it all, up to 54:40N, cutting off BNA from the Pacific? How would that have affected Confederation a few years later? The purchase of Alaska? Would the remaining western parts of today's Canada ended up American, with Canada being pretty much just Ontario, Quebec and the Maritimes? Would there even have been Confederation in the first place?

[@nathanael138]

hey, i've seen this one. - cascadian

[@alexius23]

“54 40 or fight”

[@pathfinder5723]

What if Prussia colonised the America’s (16th century)

[@PineappleMaxwell]

I was on age of civilizations 2 yesetrdayand I had the same exact idea of making a game where the British had a large chunk of land in the west coast called greater British Columbia

[@redactedredacted4080]

I’m kind of curious What if Andrew Johnson was impeached.

[@TheProjectVoid]

Question, didn't Russian empire have any claims in the area?

[@miguelhidalgoycostilla4494]

Yes

[@Charlie-ju7gf]

I think the answer is the same as 'what would have happened if the US didn't incorporate the Oregon territories?' - probably not much.

[@danshakuimo]

No more Portland riots and no CHAZ

[@cevinzeke5110]

Hell yeah