The Election That Ruined Everything (And If It Never Happened)

[@AlternateHistoryHub]

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[@thomasturner6980]

I'm gay for Beast

[@the_fixer2593]

To quote Ben Shapiro, "Woodrow Wilson was the closest America has ever gotten to a dictator."

[@noodles6246]

I prefer the longer videos more

[@applesaucedog2642]

The_Fixer Woodrow Wilson is a lib, and he just got owned. Epic style.

[@nymeria6463]

I like longer, more detailed videos more. Keep it up! 😄

[@angiki9988]

Sidenote, although Teddy Roosevelt died early in our timeline, if he’d been president in 1912 (and possibly 1916), he might not have gone on his expedition to the Amazon and nearly died of malaria. That bout of malaria probably shortened his life considerably.

[@IconicZee]

Actually I believe he died partially due to complications from the long-term effects of the disease, so undoubtedly he would have lived longer

[@sebastiandomingos335]

@@IconicZee Bro took a bullet too the chest but a tiny mosquito killed him

[@ethansmith4503]

@@sebastiandomingos335 Those mosquitoes are sneaky little fuckers. Kill the most people anually of any animal.

[@nigelbaddock]

But then again stress could've killed him if he was elected

[@williamwest9204]

@@nigelbaddock being president back then wasnt nearly as stressful as it is today

[@ozkul_arda200]

I will never forgive Wilson because of him starting the trend of US presidents not having dope ass facial hairs.

[@incendiarybullet3516]

If all Presidents had mustaches, the world would be a better place. Yes, even a hypothetical female president should have a mustache. Edit: Typo

[@crimsondynamo615]

We need more sick ass beard presidents. If the commies could have rocked beards and facial hair, surely we could do the same.

[@landonfanning5076]

Imagine Trump with a badass mustache

[@ryanhansen2477]

The more dope the facial hair the beter the president

[@beargrills3508]

@@itsdakingofkings2550 well he was still of british mindset, even though he was one of those who made america into a different country, so i guess you could say the more facial hair the more indipendent from the uk?

[@jfk6920]

So does Hitler make it into Art School in this timeline?

[@hashimbokhamseen7877]

wow you still alive

[@BeverlySchnett]

he emigrates into the U. S. and joined the KKK

[@justinpachi3707]

And the Kaiserreich is restored

[@TheStarswearee]

Yes

[@rumrunner8019]

His mustache would have been a lot bigger, and he would be known forever as "Adolf Hipster"

[@jwil4286]

Another thing: Woodrow didn’t allow for Italy to claim the Dalmatian Coast, which it had been promised in the Treaty of London of 1915. This was one of the things that led to the rise of Mussolini. So, you can say he caused the rise of fascism.

[@turtlegamez4274]

I'm Croatian and while I'm probably supposed to be against giving Italy the coast, if it prevents fascism, take all you want. Also, since it's Wilson's idea to not give Italy the coast, I want to give the Italians the coast even more simply because fuck Wilson.

[@USSFFRU]

The one good thing he did, so that everyone can laugh at Mussolini's stupidity at thinking Italy could actually reunite Rome.

[@jwil4286]

@@USSFFRU another bad thing I just thought of: the Jones Act, which says any domestic sailings must be done on ships that are American-built, owned, manned, and flagged. Don’t even get me started on why it turned out badly.

[@carinaslima]

@@USSFFRU Cruel Commie.

[@no_opinion1065]

Oh for fu-

[@TheSecondVersion]

"Who are you?" "I''m the election that ruined America" "Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?"

[@dominikgerhart5919]

Thought we see 2000's Bush vs Gore

[@RebelTvShka]

@@dominikgerhart5919 if Wilson was never president, we would never have had a bush vs gore.

[@miwa4798]

So fdr vs hoover? Fdr ruined the country man

[@schindler80]

I thought it was 2016

[@The_Lucent_Archangel]

Only things ruined by 2016's election have been as a result of globalist left-wingers with ridiculous priorities and ideas not being able to get over not getting their way.

[@shrek7957]

Fun fact, Ho Chi Minh brought a petition for Vietnamese independence to Woodrow Wilson, Wilson said self-determination only was meant for white countries, Europe more specifically. Ho Chi Minh then soon after saw the success of the Bolsheviks in overthrowing an imperialist monarchy, which he soon used as inspiration which eventually led to what we know today in Vietnam.

[@yaboichangkaishek3460]

Yeah before the war I heard Ho Chi Minh actually looked up to America for getting its independence

[@marloskeiro227]

Same in Algeria, we looked up to the us help after ww1 and when Wilson refused it was clear that the big mommy ussr is the one

[@andrewsucksatvideos4482]

@@marloskeiro227 yeah the us is pretty bad But seriously the USSR was far worse Plus it doesn’t exist anymore

[@marw9541]

Fun fact, he was already attempting to solidify French communists under a Lenin's Third International before this, so cute pop history but not accurate

[@kl6544]

What about the king-crane delegation he sent to the middle east? Are those white people

[@aceofspadesguy4913]

So what you’re saying is, with a third term Teddy “The War to end All Wars” might have actually ended most wars.

[@unionjacker1531]

well,there would still be most likely wars with Italy (if Mussolini still comes to power) and japan. But,the 20th century would definitely way less bloody than our own would

[@results3325]

@@unionjacker1531 that thought would put my heart at ease. Its probably stupid to think this way but, I feel bad knowing many died, believing they would be the one to silence all if not most, and achieve something for humanity, regardless which side you're on. What a damn shame

[@BitoyV3]

@@unionjacker1531 would Mussolini and the fascists have even come to power, though? Wasn't his rise in response to fear of the communists?

[@unionjacker1531]

@@BitoyV3 not exactly.If france and britain still did the same treaty with austria-hungary,the italian people would still be angry and most likely would turn to fascism.

[@parakeetiscool7647]

Union Jacker I don’t think Mussolini would start a war

[@davidschaftenaar6530]

Imagine being able to vote for Teddy Roosevelt and then NOT doing so.

[@RedSunUnderParadise]

Lost Causers are built different.

[@geovane19]

Early 20th century americans were cringe.

[@aaronTGP_3756]

@@geovane19 Unless your name was Teddy Roosevelt.

[@leifleoden5464]

This, Boomers suck, but they weren't the absolute worst.

[@MajinMist603]

​@@geovane19 "I like bananas because they have no bones" . . .. .

[@francogianfranco8037]

Also, Wilson during the treaty of Versailles refused to give to Italy the land it was promised during the treaty of London, this lack of land was a major point in the ideals of fascism, so Wilson got us the meme of Mussolini wich made us a living meme.... Thank you Wilson... Thank you

[@SuccessionLemon]

If you are an Italian as an American i apologize for the lack of land and the fascism thing however i thank you for the memes

[@Minisculev2115]

Pahsgetti

[@pandapalace11]

*gesticulates wildly with arms while saying "boppity boopy boopity boppity"

[@laserdemonfrostmage8421]

Ahhh mussolini.... god damn this wilson dude.

[@gas132]

yeah now imagine the wrath of an austria that lost half it's territory to italy and still holds strong feelings of unity for germany

[@sandakureva]

I never realized that Roosevelt was so progressive for his time. A lot of his policies back then are the same things we're discussing in politics now.

[@doomermurks6959]

That’s actually something Cody should’ve covered. Wilson set the U.S. behind decades in terms of political policy. Now look where we are... It’s hurts the head even thinking about it.

[@k4four615]

@@doomermurks6959, To be fair Wilson had several surprisingly progressive FOR HIS TIME, for example the New Freedom ideals.

[@doomermurks6959]

@@k4four615 yes but considering that Teddy Roosevelt’s was pretty progressive as well and wasn’t a segregationist or racist I’d say otherwise.

[@DrJellyFanguzzz]

The ROOSEVELTS are good people

[@k4four615]

@@doomermurks6959 , true, but some of his policies economically (the Adamson act) was pretty good.

[@FranzJosephI.]

My friend Wilhelm and I never liked Wilson.

[@phantomkrieger2744]

Franz Joseph I you guys should've listened to Bismarck m8.

[@paradoxicalgameplays2169]

Dont forget your weird ottoman sultan and that bulgarian guy whi wanyed to hang with the cool kids

[@johnblunt6693]

Where is Bismarck when you need him

[@influenza3736]

I don't like any of you

[@t--w5203]

How much money u got? A lot. How many problems u got? A lot. *Austria-Hungary breaks up*

[@TheSteve1126]

Wilson is literally what both sides hate about each other.

[@meatman2203]

Truly the embodiment of radical centrism

[@mr.h1262]

Too racist to be liberal, too much of a pansy to be conservative

[@steamboatwill3.367]

wonder how South Park would portray him...... ( or have they already? )

[@Yingyanglord1]

The one and only progressive conservative ​@@meatman2203

[@TitanMethos]

@@meatman2203 Wilson wasn't a centrist... He was one of the most influential of the "Leftist" Democrats at the time (Leftist being in an opposite place than it is today.) By comparison, between him, Roosevelt, and Taft... Taft was arguably the most Central of the political spectrum.

[@funnytimeoofman8855]

Alternative title: Why Teddy Roosevelt should have had a 3rd term. I fucking love that man. God bless that bastard. He was a true American president.

[@thomasvail5018]

You can't be serious...

[@perkele2040]

As a non American, he seemed fucking cool

[@shino4242]

Haven't had a Roosevelt yet that I wouldn't be comfortable having more than 2 terms. Batting 2 for 2.

[@communisttrash8590]

Hot take teddy was a piece of shit

[@pedroh.6497]

@@communisttrash8590 Hot take You're biased because you're a commie. :^)

[@ccvcharger]

Because let's face it, Teddy Roosevelt actually understood what he was doing.

[@Borderose]

The Roosevelts were God's experiment to create a race of virile Uber-Americans capable of suplexing the Devil into submission while donning the world's most glorious moustaches.

[@toasterofdoom9629]

@@Borderose But FDR getting Polio ended the experiment

[@Scooternjng]

@@toasterofdoom9629 Even with FDR getting polio, he still managed to suplex the Devil into submission with his mind and oratorical prowess.

[@Borderose]

Maybe it's a good thing? That the Roosevelts have mostly gone quiet. If one son of theirs had turned evil? No mortal weapon would be able to stop the onslaught. Nothing short of Divine Intervention will be able to stop an evil Roosevelt moustache.

[@DarDarBinks1986]

Why the fuck couldn't I be born into the timeline Cody proposed instead? FUCK THIS ONE! I WANT THE GOOD TIMELINE! Make with the time travel, astrophysicists, so I can correct history by offing that racist, imperialist cunt Wilson and installing Roosevelt 26 for a third term! Our rough-riding, canal-building, trust-busting hero would have given us universal healthcare and social security 100 years ago and been done with it forever! He'd have protected the environment and perhaps given us renewables earlier; look at how he stepped to Standard Oil's shit! He'd have doubled down on desegregation and brought the white racists to heel, finishing the job Lincoln started and made it STAY FINISHED! Roosevelt 26 was Bernie Sanders before Sanders was even born! I want to see Teddy immortalized on our currency for once. Alexander Hamilton was never POTUS so why's he on the $10 bill? Strike him and put Rough Ridin' Roosevelt on the bill instead.

[@jonathand.t.5051]

American voters: So, you are gonna help our country become more equal, bring world peace and inspire democracy? Woodrow Wilson: Well yes but actually no

[@nathanbruce1992]

@Deathcoldan sounds like you're too lazy to try and enjoy being the person doing nothing, criticizing people who do so that you can never be wrong.

[@asfmankey3672]

Old VP Logo... Do you still play CSGO? (Whats ur rank?)

[@EmpereurNapoleonBonaparte]

@Deathcoldan I love, what you said. Thank you. I finally have a person, who understands these of my convictions.

[@user-uz3fk8zq3u]

@@EmpereurNapoleonBonaparte pfp checks out

[@ThePlayer920]

@@nathanbruce1992 Yes, embrace the propaganda! Don't question anything, just act like the good cattle that you are and do what your superiors tell you to do

[@joatsimeon1]

Teddy's death in 1919 was largely because of the physical strain of his expedition to Amazonia in 1913, after he lost the election. He nearly died (he tried to convince his son to leave him behind at one point) and his health was ever good afterwards. He'd probably have lived into the 1920's if he hadn't gone on that journey of exploration; and without his 1912 defeat, he wouldn't have gone.

[@caleb972]

Yeah, he suffered a wound that became infected (worsened by the fact that the bullet from his assassination attempt had never been removed), and suffered from malaria-like symptoms. It left him severely weakened for the remaining years of his life. Had he been president, that expedition almost certainly wouldn't have happened, and his lifespan would've probably been extended.

[@falconeshield]

I wish we lived in the timeline where America got to vote for the BULL MOOSE party

[@EmperorTigerstar]

I wish the Bull Moose Party stayed relevant. Progressive moose are awesome.

[@munkey_2634]

My guy tigerstar wagwan?

[@TheAzureNightmare]

Maybe being a Progressive wouldn't mean being a goddamned Socialist...

[@Newbmann]

@@TheAzureNightmare it wouldn't only the modern progressive party is socialist at least there not soviet wait oh no not the new wing MEIN GOTT. OUR WORST NIGHTMARE HAS ARRIVED OLD GUARD DEMOCRATS HOW COULD YOU LET THIS HAPPEN. We could make a comic out wait there already has oh. WE COULD MAKE A RELIGION OUT OF THIS of this oh a none theistic religion has already been made I can't even pull a history of the hole world joke MEIN GOTT UNSS.

[@artificialgravitas8954]

Mutate it into Canadianism and I'm okay with it

[@MrThatguy333]

@@TheAzureNightmare funny thing is most of the progressive policies of today are the same as what the bull moose party said they supported and wanted.

[@wanderinghistorian]

Any other President. "Let's go to war!" Me. "Eh..." Teddy Roosevelt. "Let's go to war!" Me. "BULLY!"

[@justkoz2907]

Bully! A challenge! I love competition! Now where would I mount the stuffed head of a Winston? I'm into fitness, digging ditches through an isthmus! Rough ridin' down to Cuba like "What's up, Bitches?!" ERB for the win kzbin.info/www/bejne/pai3gY2HhqaJr7M

[@missZoey5387]

@@Tombstone_Active TO WAR! BY JINGO

[@space_lemonz4561]

Any other president: tries to declare war Me: pacifism should be the policy of America. If we are truly a shining city on a hill then we must not send young men to intervene in other countries disputes. Roosevelt: tries to go to war Me: OVER THERE! OVER THERE! SEND THE WORD OVER THERE! THAT THE YANKS ARE COMING, THE YANKS ARE COMING, THE YANKS ARE COMING OVER THERE!!

[@rowdyeggplaad578]

@@justkoz2907 ERB

[@JakeBaldwin1]

Jason Teddy Roosevelt, the only president I would support fully.

[@Tekisasubakani]

US: "Is Russia okay?" Russia: "COMMUNISM COMMUNISM" France: "Eh, he'll be fine."

[@JonatasAdoM]

@@pitipuziko3555 Comrade* Them Soviets killed Lady Russia.

[@nickclark208]

Australia: F*cken EMUS

[@supremeleadersmeagol6345]

Narrator: "She wasn't fine."

[@wildfire9280]

@@JonatasAdoM Who tf is Lady Russia? -Do you call your mother 'lady'?-

[@howardvonstauffer]

@@wildfire9280 I think they meant "Mother Russia".

[@valmarsiglia]

Actually, what Clemenceau is reported to have said to the idea of Wilson's 14 Points is "The good Lord Himself had only ten." Clemenceau had some great one-liners: about one of the WWI generals, he said "The only time he ever put up a fight was when I fired him." Another time, when he was near the end of his life, he was walking with a friend in Paris when a beautiful young woman walked past them. "Oh, to be seventy again" he told his friend.

[@ladymacbethofmtensk896]

At that point, he would have died like President Félix Faure.

[@imapopo2924]

>Hitler's armband doesnt have swastika >Swastika is replaced by KZbin Icon I see what you did there.

[@10coatsofarms5]

KZbin as a company is a echo chamber, an example of this, was when an enployee of KZbin spoke out against the practeses in the company, and was fired because of it. (One of them being THE echo chamber, and he spoke publicly.) Edit "an"

[@10coatsofarms5]

@@blank2588 only radical liberalism, H3H3 is a liberal and he isn't radical, so to blame the echo chamber on liberals is VERY ignorant. One of the reasons that the echo chamber isn't talked about, is that, the "diversity" checklist that KZbin and other companies have, gives off the impression that nothing is wrong. But all the people working there have the same world outlook, and ISN'T diverse in opinion. (Leading to the echo chamber.)

[@Sythirius]

@@10coatsofarms5 Yeah but radical "liberals" hold institutional power so this "not all liberals" comment really doesn't matter.

[@10coatsofarms5]

@@Sythirius But it does, if i were to say all videos on youtube are bad, i would be overlooking the diamonds in the rough. As for the radicals, call THEM and THEIR ideology out, so you don't get innocents caught in the cross fire.

[@Sythirius]

@@10coatsofarms5 Right, but I'm not interested in engaging people who don't have anything to say. The Radicals tend to be the loudest most outspoken ones. I would definitely speak to a non-radical or a regular person, but most people don't have much interest or much to say about politics, so I don't address them. I don't care. The ones saying and doing the things, while silencing the voices of those who don't agree with them are the ones I want to address.

[@randominternetuser5872]

"Even if you disagree with his opinion, He just think you were wrong, and shut down the conversation" He sounds like your average Twitter user

[@Roketsune]

Sounds like modern politics, too. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[@DocSmokeyJoe]

hit the damn nail on the head

[@PikeBishop65]

Yeah funny how so many people think that words that end in "ist" or "phobe" are a way of confirming a position.

[@quingerling9602]

"He was a man of startling contradiction"

[@jw1343]

What else would you expect from a Democrat?

[@wolferux]

30 minutes of Alternate History Hub? Is it christmas already?

[@johnblunt6693]

Yes

[@or_gluzman561Peace_IL_PS]

yes yes it is

[@Diego-vy4rn]

It is a Christmas Miracle.

[@or_gluzman561Peace_IL_PS]

@@Diego-vy4rn it's christmas For us

[@blunderingfool]

We do not use the "C" word in March! D=

[@danmcintyre9733]

Brilliant! I've been in the "Wilson is worst thing to happen to the US since slavery" bandwagon nearly my adult life. I never really thought about the international implications though. Him not winning the election could have staved off the rise of communism AND fascism? That's a world I'd want to live in. Also, think about how many more people would be alive today if the literally HUNDEREDS of MILLIONS of people killed by those nations had never perished early. Not to mention all the progress and wealth destroyed by WWII and the Cold War era destruction and militarism.

[@UltimateNut]

If Wilson weren’t president we wouldn’t get rise of far right and far left groups across the world, literally wilson changed the entire world.

[@adamantiiispencespence4012]

As they acknowledge in the video these are just jypotheticals. Their making it a little too rosy.

[@bruhh2995]

@@adamantiiispencespence4012 Yeah like Cody said, there would still be wars, but less bloody. Though let's not forget about Japan. If Japan still invades China, even without fascism, it would be one hell of a bloody tragedy. So in conclusion, MOST of the sufferings of the 20th century, wouldn't happen, but some wars would be hell still.

[@scottski02]

@@bruhh2995 The 2nd Sino-Japanese war could still happen, but without the Soviets intervening in the tail end, the chances Mao takes control of China are a lot slimmer.

[@LanMandragon1720]

​@@bruhh2995 They would have and an American vs Japan War would likley still happen.

[@jackscotchland8947]

Moral of the story? We needed to listen to Teddy Roosevelt more.

[@Eazy-ERyder]

Lol IKR

[@AnupBhatt]

@@Eazy-ERyder Guy 1: I dream of a world where Hitler doesn't come to power !! Guy 2: I dream of a world where Woodrow Wilson doesn't come to power !! Me: Meanwhile I'm dreaming of a world where communists, most especially Ilhan Omar and Alex Ocasio Cortez don't become political leaders(as much as they have,they give me horrific reminders of what Lenin was like before winning Russia).

[@solascriptura-e7t]

You can always find him on the movie, "Night at the Museum". Robin Williams played that role, excellent.

[@boaoftheboaians]

Jack Scotchland I guess Teddy knew better than Wilson about how stuff works lol

[@chfrqn4dl]

Anup Bhatt i think lenin was good. id love to know why u don’t tho. just a question

[@nealkriesterer]

Whenever I hear somebody complaining about how either Trump or Obama was "the worst president of all time" I just remember Woodrow Wilson and start screaming internally. Nowhere else in US history will you find an election with such catastrophic results.

[@justsomeguy5074]

I think you are overlooking FDR.

[@justsomeguy5074]

@@ryno4ever433 FDR was a rotten ambulatory cesspool of a human being. The man rounded up an entire group of people because of their heritage, threw them in camps, and made it legal to steal their left behind property. He regularly exposed himself to reporters (both male and female), and also forced female reporters to follow him into the bathroom. He confiscated gold from American citizens, extended the great depression, snubbed Jesse Owens, was a war monger, and turned over unprecedented amounts of power to the central government. He was a Fascist and put a known KKK member on the supreme court. I could honestly go on for MUCH longer, but you should get the picture. And in addition to all that, he gave us the curse of Daylight Savings time. May he rot in hell.

[@JJSwearingen]

@@ryno4ever433 Oh, you going to Vegas to open a comedy show, aren't you?

[@ryno4ever433]

@@justsomeguy5074 I promise to go do my research. I spoke out of my scope of understanding here. Thank you for telling me this. Additionally, I've deleted my prior comment so that noone may be influenced by it.

[@ryno4ever433]

@@justsomeguy5074 I know of some of the great things FDR did, but I did not know some of the awful things he did.

[@gungriffen]

Roosevelt, (after being president) volunteered to to be the first soldier to step into France if Wilson would go to war in 1915. So Roosevelt wasn't talking out his ass, he was ready to grab a rifle himself.

[@p.a.g3357]

ofc, this Roosevelt probably would have fought alongside the troops on the battle of the bulge while being POTUS. Or he would try too..

[@lowqualityshitposts8860]

IM DOING MY PART

[@jeffbenton6183]

@@dankasscrow6121 Belleau Wood, then?

[@santisage9307]

Roosevelt's sons served in WW1 and one of them died in action. Like you said, Roosevelt asked for command of a regiment á la "Rough Riders" but was denied by Wilson.

[@xz8074]

Yep!!! He volunteerd to have his own division!!

[@chaosvolt]

One amusing thought that crossed my mind, quite belatedly: can you even imagine what would go through Teddy's mind if he were president during WWI? This is the man who resigned from what was supposed to have been his big break into national politics to go fight in the Spanish-American War. In our timeline, being just shy of 60 years old, he petitioned Wilson to just let him raise a few division so he could led them over to fight for France. Considering his son went on to be present at Utah Beach during D-Day, at the age of 56, there's no doubt that in this alternate timeline Teddy's cabinet would've had to keep a close eye on him lest he make a break for the trenches.

[@darthnerd4432]

TR walking up and down the trenches of France to inspire the troops personally

[@Axquirix]

​@@darthnerd4432Can you imagine how emboldened it would've been to have the Commander in Chief *right there?*

[@danielmitchell940]

I know that Wilson was also extremely racist, even for the 1910s. He actually showed "Birth of a Nation" in the white House, and enthusiastically supported southern Democrats and their segregationist policies.

[@twinzzlers]

What's birth of a nation.

[@danielmitchell940]

​@@twinzzlers a KKK propaganda film

[@twinzzlers]

@@danielmitchell940 Ooh boy, what happens in it?

[@emperorkane317]

Ironically, Birth of a Nation was also extremely revolutionary and is still considered an important milestone in cinema history

[@maverickcoyote3526]

Yeah it was also the first movie screened at the White House.

[@EKR640]

This video just sounds like a Hearts of iron mod waiting to happen

[@lastofrwby8395]

Someone get on that

[@tedarcher9120]

Grear war focus tree

[@warhawk638]

Second American Civil war in 1912, where Wilson goes fucking apeshit at losing the election that he creates his own AUS ripoff

[@igorkorzun5988]

And I thought Kaiserreich was crazily depressing

[@Mr.ShadeO]

It would probably be boring. Everything would be so much more... PeAcEfUlL... Gross...

[@johnbroskey2547]

"In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing. The worst thing you can do is nothing." Teddy Roosevelt

[@Toddoss5875]

john broskey i think you got it close. You left out the middle phrase. “...the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing you can do is the wrong thing, but the worst thing you can do is nothing.

[@Mayhzon]

Actually, had Wilson stayed out of it, Europe would have had a better future. WW2 was brought on by Allied victory, the peace of versailles and the Jewish subversion of Russia and Germany as Bolshevist USSR and Weimar Republic, which yes, Russia's decline was tragically helped along by Germany back then. We all got duped, WW1 should have never been fought.

[@solank7620]

john broskey Can’t possibly agree with that quote. Doing nothing is far superior to doing a harmful thing. And most potential actions are always harmful, due to entropy.

[@asrnyigit4040]

@@solank7620 It would be illogical to use entropy for saying most of the potential actions are bad, as the term "bad" is subjective, and is unrelated to entropy. There may be other problems that I didn't find.

[@solank7620]

Asrın Yiğit You are incorrect. It is known that most genetic mutations are bad. They hurt organisms’ ability to survive and reproduce. By any sane definition, these things are bad. Likewise, the vast majority of memetic mutations are also socially damaging by any reasonable definition of damaging. They hurt your society’s competitive capabilities. This should be considered bad.

[@Attaxalotl]

"Surely you can't put the blame for the rise of Communism, Nazism, foreign endless wars, and the Cold War all on one man's presidency, can you?" *yes*

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

no you cannot. the video is nonsense

[@whonow3486]

@@godemperorofmankind3.091I can sure as hell blame the reason for their origin on him though

[@qwertyasdf4081]

@@godemperorofmankind3.091a person seeing reason, thank you

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

@@whonow3486 no you cant

[@ladymacbethofmtensk896]

Wilson created Hitler, and Hoover paved Hitler's path to power.

[@RagtagOcean]

Another big change: The war ending earlier leads to a slower spread of the Spanish Flu, leading to significantly less deaths across the world. It really did save more lives

[@samoria7530]

It also probably would've been reported on more, thus spreading more information earlier

[@aaronTGP_3756]

And in the U.S., the Republican President would have actually tried to help stop the disease, unlike Wilson, who did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

[@Tyler-sy7jo]

Yeah not even taking into account that less people moving around would mean less transmission... By the time Spain reported that there was an epidemic, the "Spanish flu" had already become endemic to almost every nation involved in the war. They just tried to hide it because they didn't want to look weak during war time. Spain was neutral so they had nothing to lose.

[@megaham1552]

I think it was too late at that point to stop the spread unfortunately

[@williamwest9204]

@@megaham1552 not really.

[@semmstigel4453]

If Teddy was voted in, Sweet Victory would've been played at the Super Bowl. Edit: if someone know outro music please tell me.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

Now that really makes me long for this alternate timeline.

[@VaqueroCoyote]

He a;ways puts the music and he did so in every video except this one... God I want that jazz song so much.

[@snowless456]

*REAL SHIT*

[@deckacards]

The outro music. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2LQnXaGgr6nhs0

[@semmstigel4453]

@@deckacards coulda picked a better music video like this kzbin.info/www/bejne/moLaZapvjMyLmbM

[@Harry-xu2yn]

You couldn't possibly blame ONE man can you? YES.

[@veloxlupus303]

No. The argument is silly. For example: no garvilo, hence no WWI/different WWI, thus no commies thus no Nazis. The end. Same effect. Similarly; no Wilhelm, different WWI, no commies and no Nazis. Or; no plan 7, different French strategy, different WWI, no WWI no Nazis. But you don’t blame American 21st century policy on my great great great great great great great great great great grandfather via the butterfly effect.

[@adrianbundy3249]

@@veloxlupus303 The difference between Wilhelm/Wilson and Garvilo, is they actually formed the policies of the nations and would have largely have done things under similar circumstances anyway - vs someone who was mainly just a catalyst to kick off events that were largely already being prepared to happen at that point. But the difference between Wilhelm and Wilson here is that I don't really see Wilhelm having such a great ability to avoid the great war, given the circumstances of everything, just how it was carried out by the germans at the primary extent of his actions. Wilson though, he quite directly led a nation to not be able to end the war quickly. So of these three, yeah - I do think Wilson probably is the guy with the most direct action for the huge benefit of humanity.

[@Die__Ene]

@@veloxlupus303 The yes could be interpreted in both ways, which I assume was the joke; Surely you couldn't put the blame on one man can you? - Yes, you can't/Yes, you can. Wilson was only 1 element in the whole chain of events, take him out of it and everything after that may well not have happened. But that could apply to many elements within that chain of events. So the double contrary conclusion seems accurate. This is an alternate history channel and therefore the argument becomes more silly the further you extrapolate into the future.

[@veloxlupus303]

@@Die__Ene I interpreted the "Yes" on the basis of the video, and the tone it took throughout (and even in that part alone, the "yes" seemed to tonaly be a "yes Wilson is to blame". But i see your point in it being to a extent ambiguous.

[@veloxlupus303]

@@adrianbundy3249 The problem the video blames Communism, Nazis and thus 20th century politics on Wilson in the sense that "oh but if Wilson did something differently, then outcomes that HE COULD NOT IN ANY WAY HAVE PREDICTED would have been different. Yes WWI would have ended sooner, (that he could have predicted), but Nazis and Commies are not something you can blame on him. Again, there are millions of things that could have changed 20th century politics via many-step-removed logic along the lines of the butterfly effect.

[@timesnewlogan2032]

What I love about Woodrow Wilson, is that no matter your political views or affiliations, there's something about him EVERYONE can hate.

[@alicez6400]

Figured out who I’m assassinating if a time machine is ever invented

[@norsegoat1408]

Same the asshole who sympathetic to the Klan

[@1000eau]

Taft, if he wasn't the republican candidate, Wilson would lose anyway.

[@tenacity25]

Go for both Taft and Wilson before the election can finish Teddy wins for free

[@FragmentedR_YT]

tenacity25 people may suspect that Roosevelt was responsible for the assassinations if that were to happen, and the public might be outraged.

[@tenacity25]

@@FragmentedR_YT fair.

[@andrewstanley8945]

You can't blame Wilson for everything, can you? Yes.

[@Zorro9129]

Though, tbh, if there was no Abraham Lincoln there would be no Woodrow Wilson.

[@ecurewitz]

why yes, yes we can

[@lolm8376]

I’ll do you one better if there was no Rome then there would be no Woodrow Wilson

[@ecurewitz]

@@lolm8376 well, you are not wrong

[@davidbutterstein4616]

he didnt do anything to cause any of this you are all delusional lmao

[@WebofHope]

"You can't actaully put all this on one man's shoulders!" "I can, I would, and I just did THE SHORT VERSION in a half an hour." Good shit, son.

[@DarDarBinks1986]

He forgot to touch on the decline of the Ottoman Empire. Surely it would have declined but without a Sykes-Picot Agreement to give us the wonky borders the Middle East has now.

[@darykeng]

@@DarDarBinks1986 so not fucked up middle east because of British and France? Oh my...

[@DarDarBinks1986]

@@darykeng Pretty much. No Sykes-Picot Agreement means none of those strange borders. What the hell were the French and British thinking using STRAIGHT LINES for international borders? WHY? THAT'S FUCKING RETARDED! Same deal with Africa outside the two countries that were never colonized by Europeans: Liberia and Ethiopia. Decolonization left Africa with the clunky borders that it has. The U.S. is guilty of the same thing with its state borders. The colonial and pioneer-era surveyors were idiots for thinking that straight lines were a good idea. And the further west you go, the lazier the borders get. "Fuck it! Squares are easy to manage! Squares for everyone!" WHAT WERE THEY THINKING? Just use natural barriers such as rivers and mountain ranges! Those look much better on a map!

[@asrnyigit4040]

@@DarDarBinks1986 The reason for your dislike of straight borders is that they look bad on maps?

[@sharkronical]

AirCooledMan2006 if Wilson, the most shown-off as *middle ground* kind of person allows it, I don't see why Teddy wouldn't

[@winged_destro]

Good ending: Republican Party (teddy Roosevelt) Bad ending: Democrat party (Woodrow Wilson) True ending: bull moose party (Teddy Roosevelt)

[@AetherTheGenshin]

Sadly, Bad ending became a Canon ending and all we got was the American interventionism everywhere.

[@hawkeyeten2450]

@@AetherTheGenshin That was already happening with the Spanish-American War, and Commodore Perry's expedition to Japan. Wilson increased it, but he didn't start it.

[@aaronTGP_3756]

Wilson turned interventionism from "let's flex our American muscles" to "sPreAd dEmOcrAcY!", when it often did the opposite.

[@winged_destro]

@@aaronTGP_3756 real facts

[@kmeanxneth]

as a finn i'm happy with our ending and the other countries who taked they Independence from Russia after ww1 are probably happy too

[@imgoingforawalk1693]

T.R. is the only person in history to have been awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor _and_ the Nobel Peace Prize. His son, Ted Roosevelt III, also was awarded the Medal of Honor for going ashore with the first wave at Utah Beach, directing troops and scouting terrain personally.

[@Planet.Xplor3r]

Wait, he got the NOBEL PRIZE?! God damn you Wilson! In all seriousness though, that's really interesting.

[@seanbaskett5506]

@@Planet.Xplor3r No, he meant Teddy Roosevelt

[@currynoodles4074]

Based Teddy Roosevelt (and his kid too)

[@dallas9397]

@@currynoodles4074 and his nephew

[@comettamer]

The only general to land with his troops, despite a limp (from a bullet wound sustained in WWI) and a heart condition.

[@jebbus132]

US congress: why you bully me? Teddy armed with a flamethrower: BULLY FOR YOU

[@vincenttapia2037]

The best president of all time.

[@jotarobat]

"POLITICIANS RED, CROSSFIRE HURRICANE!"

[@gr8jason806]

Javier Anda “FEDERAL CHARIOT”

[@jotarobat]

@@gr8jason806 "STARS ADN STRIPES PLATINUM! ZA WARUDO!"

[@gr8jason806]

Javier Anda BLUE HERMIT

[@squidyy2k]

The virgin Wilson vs the chad Roosevelt

[@caad5258]

B U L L Y

[@kylobenren8636]

Squidy Y2k I’ve been saying this for years

[@artman7780]

Vs fat big boy Taft.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

@johnmburt1960 Woosh.

[@hawtdawg8049]

@johnmburt1960 woooooooooooooooooooooooooosh

[@wright2180]

While T.R. did die in 1919 in our timeline, his death was a direct result of the long term effects of the disastrous "River of Doubt" expedition he and his son undertook in brazil in 1913, where he was left near death due to malaria. if he won the 1912 election, he wouldn't have gone to south america, and would have retained his health, the other option is he just runs again in 1908, he never steps down and serves four terms. 1912 only happens because he made a very, very bad choice, and regretted it.

[@jlupus8804]

If Hitler is this world’s Emperor Palpatine, Wilson is Jar Jar Binks.

[@GusThePrankster]

Lol Star Wars reference

[@funbro99]

Jokes on you, its Darth jar jar. Thus he is THE real senate.

[@RayMKlll]

Only he manipulated himself

[@christianali5431]

Democratics: Donald Trump and the Republican Party is worse than Hitler. Real American history: Woodrow Wilson and the Democratic party CREATED Hitler.

[@rwall514]

@@christianali5431 yes, and the party hasn't changed one bit between 1912 and now. Also, the sun goes around the earth and the pope is a protestant.

[@polandballhistorian8537]

He’s Roosevelt, of course he could convince the public to declare war.

[@JosephTobin1]

I just imagine teddy tearing his shirt off like hulk hogan and demanding the us go to war or hed resign. Swim across the atlantic himself and win the war on his own.

[@sr.365]

@@JosephTobin1 "I'll carry over the damn troops on my back if I have too! "

[@emil3801]

B U L L Y

[@louisduarte8763]

@@JosephTobin1 And showing off the undoubtedly badass scar from when he was shot, and the bullet was slowed down by his speech's papers and glasses case. Oh yeah, that really happened.

[@caad5258]

B U L L Y

[@michaelpisciarino5348]

0:22 Introduction 0:58 James K. Polk 1840’s 1:22 Woodrow Wilson - WWI - 14 Points/League of Nations 2:43 *Woodrow Wilson* : A Terrible Man 3:41 *Woodrow Wilson* : A Southern story - Civil War, Reconstruction 6:14 *What if Wilson was not elected?* 7:30 Alternate 1913, Teddy Roosevelt’s 3rd Term 9:53 Flex US Muscle 10:42 Mobilize the troops 11:12 12:05 _A Word From Their Sponsers_ 13:28 Trench Warfare. Stalemates 14:51 A quicker war 15:38 A better Russian Future 17:25 Surviving a Communist Revolution 18:16 Germany’s Fate 18:44 I 18:55 II 19:08 III 19:16 IV 24:13 Hitler does not Rise 19:40 Wilson and Russia. No Ideological Fan-Fic in alternate universe. 20:34 Russia, No Communist Rise 21:58 A Less Toxic World 22:32 Roosevelt’s Domestic Policies 23:12 24:07 other alternate events Cody couldn’t figure out where to put in the video 25:42 Federal gov. Would have remained desegregated 26:00 Wilsonian Interventionism, “To Protect Interests” 27:08 Big Stick Imperialism, Get In Get Out. Vs Wilsonianism, Get In And Change it. 28:13 Yes

[@yodelinglemon]

Yes

[@pavan923]

What about the music

[@metheguy1232]

Yes

[@bb_arcadia5752]

Yeah if someone could tell me the song at the beginning that would be great lol

[@fralencemelograno]

@@bb_arcadia5752 anybody?

[@austinthesan-antonian3932]

If you’re ever looking for a good time, I recommend adding up Taft and Roosevelt’s percentages, per state, and then arranging the Electoral College by the new combined ones, instead. Definitely gives a good sense of just how horrible Plurality Voting is able to get.

[@el1tefire252]

Time to bash Woodrow Wilson, cynical historian is hilarious with that

[@NoahgotLEGO]

El1teFire he passed the 16th Amendment so I can’t say he’s my favorite

[@taptiotrevizo9415]

WILSON!!

[@kyleshiflet9952]

I always liked Teddy he was a total badass giving a 84 minute speech after getting shot

[@alw2839]

*metal music plays in background*

[@K-11609]

I always heard he had to shorten it to 20 or something. Still impressive though

[@kyleshiflet9952]

@@K-11609 no he gave the full speech dude

[@ferintown6628]

Teddy getting shot: “oh no! Anyway…”

[@wisdomleader85]

Bismarck: iron chancellor. Teddy: iron president.

[@chaoz7370]

Teddy's solution to things was always overpowering it or boxing it into submission, I have NO idea how or why we didn't keep him as president longer, this guy got shot before a speech and still did the speech while he was shot, he is a LEGEND.

[@PriusRaj]

Nah, he first tried talking about it, and THEN once he realized you were a fucking moron/selfish bastard, he'd beat you into submission. "Speak softly but carry a big stick".

[@USSFFRU]

Its because the American Population didnt understand just how based Teddy truly was.

[@Domesthenes]

Not only that, he mocked the shooter during his speech.

[@donovanulrich348]

Teddy was a Trump of his day He was outlandish character, with a personality the people both liked and would distance themselves from He was a player. . . Playing a game

[@silentpaw]

Well, Teddy did bust up the Monoloplies of the most wealthy and powerful people of the day, and that ruffled a few feathers. It is why they made him Vice President rather than President. How would they know William McKinley would be killed and put this raging bullmoose in the seat of power? Imagine if Trump had torn apart the Cable Industry (Which is basically a Monolopy) or Amazon. Do you think the 1% would back him after that?

[@mannyfernandez1713]

Welp, based on the arguments presented, this is one of those rare cases in which the presence/election of a single man, actually changed history

[@МаксБурый-р2ю]

@@xunqianbaidu6917 wilson apologist

[@crimsondynamo615]

@@МаксБурый-р2ю i can’t imagine someone genuinely defending him

[@МаксБурый-р2ю]

@@crimsondynamo615 this guy here tries

[@megaham1552]

I get some of the poins he's making but I don't think he's right on everything and simplifies a lot of his points

[@TheBigBadBeowulf]

This just gave me more reasons to love good ol Teddy

[@patrickrichardson5934]

Acheron I want a simi

[@jaysonklein6018]

Theodore "Rough Rider" Roosevelt... we salute you. *salutes*

[@themoochman3867]

@@jaysonklein6018 o7

[@raptorcell6633]

Good ol Teddy

[@kaoset1237]

Teddy rosevelt is best girl now >.>

[@SpaceLordLono]

I like how youtubers that cover similar topics are aware of each other and occasionally team up. It's like a mini-avengers movie.

[@techpriestalex8730]

This does put a smile on my face

[@Archon3960]

Funny you should mention that, considering Cody did an episode on the Snap. x)

[@louisduarte8763]

Cody also put The Nostalgia Critic in the video about the C&C: Red Alert series. He was Yuri.

[@MissBunny850]

This made me think of when I saw Bo burnham live for the first time and the next day or even that night he checked his twitter feed and was all you guys other famous youtubers where there...

[@doubledouble4g379]

So theoretically, no WW2, no Korean War, no Vietnam War, no Cold War? Damn, sounds like a great timeline.

[@juanelorriaga2840]

I hear that! think of all the other minor clashes that would have never happened either.

[@himokash1878]

There's also a probability that you don't exist in that time line

[@jakeantriasian2353]

But there isn’t a 100 million or more ppl to die 😭

[@michaellee324]

Not sure it would of had much impact on japanese imperialism so aspects of ww2 may still have happened

[@gmgunnhildr2711]

Yes, but I’m willing to bet there would also be many other small conflicts unthinkable today due to their implausibility

[@EmpRuler]

"Mr President, what should we do about the great war?" Teddy Roosevelt oiling his muscles and flexing: "We proceed with operation flank and spank"

[@maxbuster1508]

Imagine in that Alternate Future, someone makes an Alternate History theory that's basicly just our timeline, and be called fiction because how Unlikely it would be.

[@taliesincoleman6569]

indeed.

[@whatusayy5844]

Ohmygodthatwasahugemindfuck-

[@DarronGA]

That's pretty meta

[@lordzallen]

There are infinite realities Morty.

[@scottski02]

@@lordzallen "What about the reality where Wilson became President? The answer is don't think about it!"

[@Doc_Tar]

The more one examines Wilson and his agenda the more one realizes just how badly he screwed things up for future generations.

[@x_croner]

Just like the boomers

[@sgtmayhem7567]

The quintessential Democrat.

[@cheburekman696]

@@sgtmayhem7567 lol in video it was explained he was not actually a democrat,or adopted any ideas of a democrat

[@PanicbyExample]

@@cheburekman696 right roosevelt was the progressive while being an expansionist... just incredible political period

[@trueblueclue]

@@x_croner ok millennial.

[@robertcurry389]

Teddy Roosevelt we need you now more than ever.

[@Tlaloc1]

if he ran today he’d make Washington’s election look like it was too close to call

[@theluftwaffle1]

Teddy2020

[@ItsLunaRegina]

lol no.

[@rodycaz8984]

Robert Curry You sure as hell are going to need him next year.

[@Poirecorp]

Also, his enthusiasm to undo old school multiethnic empires, with the idea that one people = one country, meant that a significant part of the world was doomed to descend into separatism and ethnic cleansing. Not to excuse conquerors, but all nations are man made at some point. You can't keep dividing.

[@Willie5000]

And of course he only believed in self determination if you were white or European.

[@ivario]

If it wasn't for Wilson, my country (Latvia) might've ended up as a neglected autonomous region of Russia, suffering from Russification (and only then due to large sacrifices by Latvian Riflemen batallions) and perhaps gaining independence only around the 1970s or so. And we were only recognized by the US in 1922, since for 4 years they hoped that White Russia would survive. Then again, no Soviet Union..

[@darthnerd4432]

I would argue that a more fleshed out version of self-determination would be a good thing. Some ethnic groups that lack nations to represent them number in the 10s of millions (like the Kurds).

[@mofunky8929]

I wrote a paper similar to this in high school and my teacher thought I was on crack.

[@bijntjeveenstra2455]

but were you?

[@johnaskings527]

Writing this and being in crack aren't mutually exclusive situations.

[@TheSubtilizer]

You got a copy of that paper you wrote?

[@dend1]

So Woodrow Wilson was season 8 Daenerys. "I know what im doing is right because I know whats right." What about others who think they know whats right? "They don't get to choose" :-)

[@dylanchouinard6141]

I see him as more of a Tyrion. His ideals drastically changed the world, and while it may have been idealistic, it would eventually spell doom for his country. And his legacy would totally overshadow him as a person

[@neocomp92]

@@dylanchouinard6141 Which Tyrion though? Season 8 finale Tyrion?

[@dylanchouinard6141]

neocomp92 yup

[@12345678900987659101]

Who is S.8 Jon then?

[@Brandonhayhew]

Wilson is tyrion then who is Roosevelt be?

[@n0wheregrrl]

After all this time, it turns out that the correct answer to the age-old moral dilemma of, "If you could go back in time to kill Hitler before he rose to power, would you?" is this: "No, I'd go back in time to kill Wilson before HE rose to power."

[@EmilyRose-wt8nt]

I'd kill taft, nothing against him, except he's the reason roosevelt was in office unironically

[@EmilyRose-wt8nt]

actually, I wouldn't kill him, he hated elective politics and was always far more interested in being a judge, which is why he became chief justice later on. I'd encourage a career change.

[@cwp2175]

@@EmilyRose-wt8nt "encourage"

[@franciscodanconia45]

Worlds worst person ever: Karl Marx. Second place: Woodrow Wilson. Without those two, Hitler would have been a babbling house painter.

[@n0wheregrrl]

@@franciscodanconia45 Karl Marx was actually one of the best.

[@TravisBroski]

What's funny is that even in COLLEGE, in my WWII CLASS, Woodrow still had little said about him besides "WWI Guy" and "those Fourteen Points"

[@alanpennie8013]

They could have said more, but racism, prohibition and political repression are probably best forgotten.

[@fiirkan1305]

Here's the thing about idealism. It's idealistic. Thanks Cody. Wouldn't have guessed.

[@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec]

Prophetsbane 17 Like people dies when they are killed.

[@dstinnettmusic]

It also is a dumb statement because idealism is a thing besides meaning “unrealistic” Cody is himself a philosophical idealist, in the sense that he basis his ideology on axiomatic ideals like “freedom of speech” and stuff, as opposed to philosophical materialism, which frames freedom as more about access, as in “free foods

[@leesziming3126]

yeah a lot more people need to realise that....

[@k.w.2528]

@@dstinnettmusic There is not such a thing as "free food". Somebody somewhere need to pay for it. But freedom of speech is inherent part of freedom. It costs nothing except SJW butthurt.

[@Zenas521]

Idealism is fine if you understand it is idealism. Idealism gives you a vision of how you would like things to be. If you don't recognize it to be idealism, then your in the grip of dilution. Dilution is an unnecessary evil people willfully afflict themselves and others. Many people who suffer dilutions are called narcissists. They covet saving face more than saving grace. The fear being wrong more than being dead. Wilson was one such person. They are generally dangerous to be around in normal day-to-day activities. But when they obtain power over others... the century is in the toilet. I figure Obama is a lot like Wilson. Time will tell.

[@Nyikili]

It wouldn't surprise me if Roosevelt would be on the 1st ship with a rifle

[@bullmoosemedia]

Teddy offered to form another Rough Rider corps for WWI, but Wilson shut him down because Wilson was an asshole....as we all know...

[@banananotebook3331]

To be fair, his son was. In Germany, people started realizing that while the Kaiser's sons were safe at home, a former American President's son fought and died in WWI.

[@EdgyShooter]

"Some Krauts kicking off? Bully! I've been bored to tears. There's no boats? That's fine, I'll swim to the bastards!"

[@irtwiaos]

Once again proving Teddy Roosevelt was a badass.

[@01_SPACE_C0WB0Y]

I cry lying awake at night, thinking of what could've been if Teddy won that election.

[@smoche]

We may not be alive in that timeline, WHY WILSON YOU SONOFABICH

[@Bronasaxon]

Me too friend. Me too.

[@kennandunn7533]

What if Taft won?

[@Cherubim666999]

i hope you dont mean that literally lol

[@NathanJosephCole]

I'll take Taft, thank you very much.

[@ycasto1063]

5:42 - 6:10 so wilson was essentially the american tourist in trying to explain the local chef how to properly cook the meal he ordered?

[@davidhoran7116]

Exactly

[@emilie6466]

More like the guy that goes to a sushi restaurant in Japan and asks for a steak

[@glitchyjoe64]

@@emilie6466 If they have it on the menu it is expected to be ordered, else, they are the idiots

[@jamesklark6562]

More like Cultural Invasion, in an attempt to destroy the local culture by bringing in and enforcing a different culture.

[@Peoples_Republic_of_Devonshire]

@@glitchyjoe64 I think he's on about strolling in and asking without looking at the menu

[@sdmurphy315]

If Teddy has become President again in 1912 then WWI would of turned out very different indeed. And since he would of won in 1912 he never would have went to Brazil and discovered the river that almost killed him in 1913. Due to that trip he became very ill and had a life treating injury where he lost round about 50 pounds. Since he would of never taken this trip I don't think he would of died in 1919 he's health would have never had that harsh decline so late in his life.

[@cuchulainn140]

While that trip did speed the decline, unfortunately for God Emperor Roosevelt, he was never going to be an old man. His habits on eating and exercising to excess are not the recipe for longevity. I could imagine him living into the mid 20's but not much longer.

[@sdmurphy315]

@@cuchulainn140, I wasn't implying he would have a long life just that he would have lived longer. When he was a child he had really bad asthma and the doctors didn't think he'd live through childhood because of how bad it was but had he won the presidency in 1912 I still believe he would of lived a while longer than 1919.

[@mazzalnx]

@@sdmurphy315 I was about to ignore your post entirely for using the abhorrent 'would of' expression, yet 4 days later you post again with the correct form 'would have'. Then revert back to 'would of'... *You do have a point on his health*, though. Kindly polish up if you can and stop using 'would of' (use would've instead), and I guarantee people will be less likely to skip-read past your posts!

[@azenzioanthony]

@@mazzalnx You almost didn't read his post because of a grammar mistake?

[@nicholaswilley9001]

Not "would of"... but "would have"...

[@The_Malcontented]

@28:32 I LOST IT at Cody's blunt and deadpan "yes"'

[@joaquincobas2223]

Me before this video: There is no such thing as an election that ruins everything Me after this video: WILSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON

[@kevinoconnor6577]

i now have a hatred for a president that I had never cared about

[@Guzmano7]

Well, the recent election kinda fucked the citizens in aphganistan, and kinda ruined a lot of foreign relations

[@jonathanrendza6059]

@@Guzmano7 Just think, at least there are no more mean tweets lol

[@edwardblair4096]

@@Guzmano7 Yeah, that one 5 years ago was pretty bad.

[@jonathanrendza6059]

@@edwardblair4096 Yeah the democrats blaming Russia for Trump winning divided the country

[@veejayroth]

"BULLY! A challenge! I love competiton! Now where would I mount a stuffed head of a Wilson?"

[@carsoncottrell4435]

"AH im into fitness digging ditches through elimas while riding down to Cuba like WHATS UP BITCHES!"

[@junkyporpoise4254]

“I keep my rhymes pure, like my food and drugs. I’m an American Stud, you’re the British Elmer Fudd”

[@carsoncottrell4435]

"Christ sake look at that mug atleast grow a spruce mustache and cover part of it up"

[@nathanwaggoner892]

"And let's face it, you're not all that great, you tossed away lives in Saint-Mihiel like they were scraps off your plate"

[@kaiuche8640]

"your whole miserable country is the size of one state. I could see my way through running that without donning my pince-nez"

[@scidididi9564]

instead of “thanks obama” we should say “Thanks Wilson”

[@itsblitz4437]

Thanks Wilson for inspiring Bush and Cheney for trying to do the same thing in the 2000s.

[@selahanany5645]

@Mo Fuggar yeah there's no diffrence between any of 'em. some just hide it better then others.

[@selahanany5645]

@Mo Fuggar yeah i agree. he was just more sophisticated a speaker, thats really the only difference.

[@tybaltd.1521]

@@selahanany5645 Barely more sophisticated though. That man used more ums than an a tums factory.

[@selahanany5645]

@@tybaltd.1521 not denying that. still better.

[@Cheez1000]

So what you’re saying is, if I get a Time Machine, I can skip going after Hitler or Lenin and can just take out Woodrow Wilson?

[@thebestgamer4106]

More like take out Taft

[@mfsalatino]

@@thebestgamer4106 Or to not kill anyone convince T Roosevelt to endorse Charles E Hughes instead of Taft in 1908.

[@DylanThomasGingerBread]

Us Canadians on here like "wow, 42% that's pretty good!"

[@alaeboufarrachene7550]

42% in a parliamentary democracy is insanely good ^^

[@horriblepirate1]

In a U.S. Presidential election 42% is one of the worst voter percentages in our history.

[@colbygordon6936]

@@horriblepirate1 To be expected when you go against the ideas of your "founding fathers" and go with a 2 party system.

[@alloisadino]

@Phillip Would you agree that the only way the United States could've avoided a two-party system would be if they had implemented a non-first past the post voting system like ranked choice or even ending up having something in the form of a prime minister who's chosen based on the number of seats their party has in congress?

[@brandonporter8509]

Phillip it’s really a surprise it hasn’t devolved into only one choice ... oh wait it has if you really look at a political Compas the Democratic Party are mildly right leaning mid authoritarian centrists and the republicans are a mix of right wing libertarians ( tea party) extreme right nautral in authoritarian and libritarian views (Republican Party leadership) and the alt right which is libritarian towards economic views and authoritarian when it comes To “conservative Christian values”. (Deregulate the government don’t let them interfere in big business, give the government the power to force people Not to be gay of Muslim, and spend spend spend on the police to keep black people in check and fund the heck out of the military industrial complex.). Really the political parties of the us are mildly right and extreme right and what’s happened the last 2 presidential elections to keep an actual liberal like Bernie sanders From winning the primary is proof that America has no left wing party just a extreme right Republican Party and a further creeping right Democratic Party. Remember left is socialism not capitalism and both parties are capitalist parties and neither is socialist The Democratic Party is the anti monopoly capitalist party and the republicans are the pro monopoly capitalist party.

[@azearaazymoto461]

My favorite part is how out of infinite possibilities without Wilson the only certainties are a better world.

[@guppy719]

Except in reality it might have been a lot worse. IDK to me this is easily the worst alternate history I have watched. Everything being sunshine and roses just isn't realistic. Good things probably would have happened but some bad things Would have also certainly had happened.

[@novaraptorus]

@@guppy719 that’s fair, like what

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

@@guppy719 oh like what?

[@ethanjobson3879]

@@novaraptorus For one, Teddy was big into eugenics. You could argue while economically he was more progressive and he would've prevented the legacy of US atrocities overseas longterm, in terms of cultural positions he may have done some Nazi like stuff domestically.

[@techpriestalex8730]

@Ethan Jobson I don't think it wouldn't have been that bad as long as personal freedom were not violated.

[@matthewdimarcantonio4627]

I absolutely love the ending. "Can we blame everything on one man's presidency?" "Yes, yes we can."

[@Roketsune]

It's even funnier because he actually just said "Yes" in response to his own question.

[@Alex06CoSonic]

I think that 2020-2021 is proving that, as well.

[@hawkeyeten2450]

Actually, not entirely true. William Howard Taft's presidency honestly enabled a lot of Wilson's agenda to rise. The "fat man" screwed up a ton of stuff, also notably undoing a number of TR's reforms (even dismissing the African Americans he brought into the government) and promoting racism toward Asians. It was unthinkable for a man who claimed to be from the party of Lincoln. Some have said that after Taft, had the Democrats embraced civil rights instead of promoting the Racist-in-Chief Wilson, they might have flipped the blacks right there. Instead, the Republicans remained their best option and the blacks voted for Harding, Coolidge and Hoover, despite Taft's betrayal.

[@AhmadAbduljalil-n8n]

actually, teddy roosevelt had a clear idea for the treaty with germany: the kaiser stays in power, france gets alsace-lorraine, britain gets new guinea and tanganika, japan gets germanys pacific islands, america gets samoa and russia gets pozen but nothing more, germany keeps most of it's colonies in africa with territory slightly reduced, and the war reparations and army restrictions are not as bad because the war would be less destructive.

[@eltiggy7031]

Woodrow Wilson: I can make America great Teddy Roosevelt: Hold my beer

[@fusioncannon]

Congress:Beer is Illegal now

[@eltiggy7031]

@@fusioncannon Al Capone has joined the chat

[@duncanharrell5009]

@@eltiggy7031 *Al Capone has sent you a Valentine’s Day message*

[@Marcusjnmc]

I wish those Teddy policies mentioned in this video could become a reality for the US . . . it would solve just . soo many things

[@eltiggy7031]

@@Marcusjnmc Yes

[@sapiensfromterra5103]

Please make "what if Hitler made it into Art School"

[@darykeng]

basically Rad Alert

[@CGoody564]

Hitler becomes.fed up.with the starving artist lifestyle, blames his Jewish teachers for not preparing him to be successful, Kristallnacht proceeds accordingly

[@MichaelSidneyTimpson]

Hey Kids, let's stop insulting Mentally Ill and Mentally Disabled (aka retarded) people please. Those who are can't really help it, so you shouldn't use those people as an insult for somebody's opinion you don't agree with! You are better off calling them a jerk or stupid. Or just be polite and tell them that you find their ideas "silly."

[@juanelorriaga2840]

@darykeng Great game btw but your correct def a great What if into the C&C series

[@hellatze]

If hitler enter art collage. More competent and dangerous nazi officer come to power. Becarefull.

[@Zerpderp0]

Only the God Emperor, Teddy Roosevelt should have been president

[@BaronVonMott]

Recall elections 8 hour days An American NHS And this was in 1912. What a truly BRILLIANT man he was.

[@hotwax9376]

@Zerpderp0 He was, just not after the 1912 election. He became president in 1901 after McKinley died (as he was VP during McKinley's second term), and was elected to a full term in 1904.

[@badgerbro1172]

For the emperor

[@MrNettoon]

You support trump lmao you would've been pro Wilson

[@2old2kare94]

Teddy Roosevelt 2020

[@nightmarexgaming120]

23:42 Teddy’s death in 1919 was caused by him contracting a disease while on a trip in South America. Since he became the president this doesn’t happen and Teddy lives longer

[@derpmcgerp8062]

Fun Fact: Martin Van Buren was the only president of the U.S. to speak English as a second language

[@CountArtha]

He's my favorite. After Grover Cleveland, probably the most underrated president we ever had.

[@derpmcgerp8062]

@@CountArtha yep. Rutherford B. Hayes also never gets talked about. That dude is the reason Paraguay still exists. He stopped Brazil and Argentina from splitting the country in half after war times. Lol

[@antaine1916]

@@CountArtha Calvin Coolidge. Hands down.

[@maidenofthelight]

@@CountArtha Grover Cleve is the only President to serve two terms separately and he was on the $1000 Bill. His wife is still the youngest First Lady ever.

[@maidenofthelight]

@@derpmcgerp8062 Hayes 'won' the 1876 Election despite losing the Popular Vote, had the first telephone and typewriter in the White House.

[@Fordo007]

learning about Wilson always makes me see him like a real life Palpatine.

[@scottski02]

Except without the dank memes.

[@ScottaHemi440]

@@scottski02 yet!

[@cartermiller853]

Fordo007 Palpatine was a good guy, woody was far worse

[@jackskellingtonsora]

Nah. I think Wilson really believed his ideals. Even while being hypocritical about them. I don't think Palpatine believed in anything but power for himself for its own sake. Palpatine was also quite racist as well, though. I'll grant you that.

[@skwills1629]

@@jackskellingtonsora Palpatines Racism is in the old Expanded Universe and never made sense. Its out of Character for him. DIsney Cannon hasnot shown him to be Racist.

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

Wilson: Let's make a dozen different countries out of Germany's spoils! Britain: Uh, wouldn't they be completely powerless from the wrath of Germany? Wilson: Well, not our problem.

[@yaujj65]

Where, the only most countries were made from Austria Hungary, isn't Lunderdorff to blame for the stab in the back myth because he has the hubris of other generals in early WW1

[@clempfomane]

You obviously didnt understand the treaty of versailles and you underestimate the nationalism in Germany. The Entente had three choices. 1) froce an hard defeat for Germany but search for a legitimation (treaty of Versailles, right of peoples to self-determination) and create a bitter looser 2) split up Germany into different states, as Clemenceau wanted to do with the risk to continue the war and create much more revanchism 3) make an easy peace deal and risk to get a too strong germany And the second thing is that Britain was the nation wich wanted a counterpart to soviet russia and wished a strong germany (goes well for 20 years)

[@Sparticulous]

The French would not accept a white peace when they were one of the main victims of the western front taking place almost entirely in France. They wanted nothing short of Germany destroyed or at least humiliated like the Germans did to them half a century before

[@thelaxsoviet5922]

What was that spelling, Clem Pf

[@Jacen436987]

@Bjergsen Senpai yea French were hypocrites. it was perfectly fine for Napoleon to come in and destroy Europe but how dare someone do the same to france.

[@KM-00]

I know there were endless hypotheticals, but I think including Japan's contribution to the allies would have been an interesting hypothetical to explore as well.

[@TheNaturalnuke]

Nothing is more destructive than a well meaning fool.

[@BlitzerXYZ]

@@ruckzuruck7039 is that actually a quote by Hitler?

[@k.w.2528]

@@Blade57331 Its actually a true. He was a murderer, but his ideology (or "worldview") was truly impressive concept. This guy made a video on it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJ3Kiah9iLJqfKM

[@Blade57331]

@@k.w.2528 Of course he was a murderer. Everyone were. Allies, Axis, Soviets. It was a war. Everyone were commiting war crimes.

[@user-qj1bt1uv2n]

Three Alternate history scenarios I would be interested in seeing: 1) What if Mussolini stayed neutral like Franco? 2) What if Franco was an active participant in WWII like Mussolini. 3) What if the Communists won the Spanish Civil War?

[@user-qj1bt1uv2n]

@@MrOrangehorseman If the rationale for the first theory is based on what happened in Spain, I'm not sure I agree with the assessment. Unlike Mussolini, Franco was not a Fascist, he was a general in the Spanish army and was trying to preserve the power of the Monarchy that was under attack from communist revolutionaries. Italy was actually fairly economically stable under Mussolini. If Mussolini was not overthrown by the Allies, I cannot think of a good reason for fascism to fall when it provided economic stability. If I had to guess, over time, and especially after the Soviet Union collapses, Italy would become more moderate, economically capitalistic but ruled by a fascist government sort of like China today.

[@thezeitos469]

I think not to much would change in all 3 options. These two countries didnt really have the biggest of impacts on history at that time. (Except for the countries itself of course)

[@darykeng]

Well, second, probable, just make things for Brits in Africa a bit harder, but nothing special. 3rd... thsts an interesting moment, but again - probable just "Meh, just exists". Maybe some volunteers from Spain in Easter front. but helping USSR

[@erwanius507]

My guess on 3 is this: The moment France falls Spain comes up with some thoughts. They have seen the anti communist way that the third Reich got and feel threatened by it. The moment the Germans declare war on the Ussr, mass mobilization starts in Spain in fear of an invasion, voulenteer get sent to the soviets and guns brought to communist French resistance groups. This angers the Reich which in the end declares war on the Spanish. The Spanish would hold the line for a few months until they can't resist the Germ a war machine anymore. In the time they holder the line allied guns and voulenteer arrived for the defense of Madrid, which would fall either way. With Spain out of the way, the British fear that Gibraltar may fall and start an mini invasion into nazi occupied Spain. That would result in a failure and in the end Germany would capture Gibraltar. A Spanish puppet state with Francisco Franco as it's leader would be installed, the Spanish colonies taken over by Vichy France and the west of Europe completely under nazi rule. But in a not so shocking turn of events, the nazi strike into Iberia is not done yet. In a fear of Portugal sympathizing with the allies and maybe joining them, it gets taken over. Portugal would be incorporated into the Spanish state which would be renamed into Reichsprotektorat Iberien or National State of Iberia. The end of the eastern war would mostly stay the same, even with Spanish and Portuguese forced troops helping the nazis. Well, maybe the encircelment of Stalingrad could have been prevented with Spanish troops, but the outcome of WWII would mostly stay the same

[@joelholmes1260]

@@erwanius507 Best Post on this Topic.

[@DerPinguim]

I got so entertained that I didn't even notices I spend half an hour watching this. I am not even American

[@mazzalnx]

Spot-on. You *do not* hear aaaanyyy of this in history class overseas. Heck, U.S. history is such a complicated clusterfuck with twists and turns and bizarre rules (good grief your election system...) that I know and follow at least half a dozen channels that exist solely to unravel and explain all of it. To a mostly U.S. audience. I used to be an 8+ or 9+ (out of 10) student all the way through the end of high school. Most of anything we got to learn about the U.S. was the New Deal and its reach overseas (and even that was vague). WWI was all but skipped over, never made heads or tails of it, and WWII was looked into with somewhat decent details. The rest was just our own country's history. This was back in the 90s, mind, thus I had nothing but books to source and study from.

[@darykeng]

@@mazzalnx and all in 300 years. You know, need a special talent to do sooo many fuck ups in so small time. Everyone can, but THAT many, wow

[@zandaroos553]

darykeng We make just as many fuck ups as everyone else, just ours are grandiose in American fashion

[@junko4166]

If you think about it, most countries have a "Wilson" in their political history. I guess that's what makes this video interesting.

[@kingshuksaha9204]

Same here man

[@DderwenWyllt]

I remember learning about the Yanks turning up in WW1, apparently (according to my history teacher and his text book) they tried the tactic of charging enemy trenches with cavalry only to get mowed down by German machine guns, which really is the best metaphor for American idealism if I have ever heard one. Imagine turning up to a battlefield of mud and bone, covered in barbed wire, bodies, craters and giant crawling brick shaped metal hunks with guns strapped to them and thinking "gimme a horse and a sword, and I'll win this war" only to learn about a thing called "600 rounds per minute" about 20 minutes too late.

[@twinzzlers]

You fuckers could of told us that we'd get mowed down. How are we meant to know we aren't invincible?

[@alanpennie8013]

The French Army did try to teach them about WW1 tactics but they were rather slow learners sadly. The huge US WW1 cemeteries are melancholy places to visit and most US citizens are probably unaware they even exist.

[@sgabig]

I've never heard this story - it sounds spurious. The USA did deploy infantry against entrenched positions. Patton - who started as a horse cavalry officer - transferred to armored cavalry aka tanks

[@ponddipper91]

'I'll have you know, I'm an intellectual' Wilson at the peace confrence, 1918 (probably)

[@nathanschmitz2302]

*Woodrow Wilson showing his 14 points fan-fiction theory cira 1919.*

[@louisduarte8763]

"Dork alert!" - the British Prime Minister and French President at the time.

[@michaeld6143]

Something you did not consider in this alternate timeline is Roosevelt having been a peace broker ending the Russo-Japanese War in 1905. Keeping that title of peacemaker, he may have been able to intervene in 1914 to avert WWI before it snowballed into the $h*t show of a world conflagration.

[@the_coveted_one2163]

Hello fellow michael

[@TheMisterDarknight]

@@the_coveted_one2163 Lol

[@ThePi314Man]

I don't think he could've prevented WWI. He definitely would've lessened its effects, and maybe even delayed its inevitable outbreak though. Even still, Teddy probably understood well that global war was inevitable, and having him in office with his big stick diplomacy likely would've had exactly the effect he desired from the war: establishing the US as a world superpower and a global peace that may have largely endured through the depression.

[@abrahamlincoln937]

Another thing to mention in this video is that if Theodore Roosevelt presided over WWI is that the Brusilov Offensive that Russia launched in 1916 likely would have knocked Austria-Hungary out of the war given the fact that it almost happened in our timeline. If that happened, the Russians would have gradually pushed the Germans back and regained their lost territory from its defeats in 1915 because Germany wouldn’t be able to bail out the Austrians and they wouldn’t be able to send troops to the Eastern Front. So if the Czar was overthrown in 1917 when the war ended, Alexander Kerensky would have been the leader of Russia and he wouldn’t have been overthrown by the Bolsheviks.

[@bradleymalcolm7025]

@@abrahamlincoln937 this is a bit of an out there idea but I could still see a cold War of sorts (or hot War, since there was no nuclear weapons yet) as the west in this time line would be free to transition to social democracy while Russia takes the opposite role and assimilates into the modern world through the only permanent aspect of Russia, oligarchs. Its possible there would have been a combined western effort to combat the influence of a Russian oligarchy in Eastern Europe in the decades following the end of the Great war

[@landonhagan450]

Roosevelt's eagerness to go to war likely working out in the end isn't that surprising if you know a little bit about military strategy. It's one of the oldest principles of conflict that waging war _decisively_ will universally result in lower overall cost. The point about idealism and a "get-in, get-out" mentality is particularly poignant in this regard.

[@midshipman8654]

Landon Hagan if you think about it America got the good end of the stick in both world wars because of this. They didn’t have to intervene immediately because of their location, so they swooped In after the largely attritional phase of each war spending relatively little and getting all the Beni fits that come with a successful military campaign.

[@2old2kare94]

Jackson Almodobar indeed, but if you think about it. Both times America had a world war to ignore, there was always a democrat in office. So instead of blaming the nation, blame those big government, tax collecting, communist hippies. Also The US was going through a depression during the first half of the second world war. So we kinda needed money more than we needed the allies to win. So.... sorry not sorry.

[@MeanBeanKerosene]

@@2old2kare94 If you think Democrats then and Democrats now are the same AND of the political Left, you're woefully misinformed.

[@ccityplanner1217]

A lot of the time, when people talk about freedom, they're actually talking about Wilsonianism.

[@bwackbeedows3629]

When I looked up colleges as a kid, I considered Princeton. Because of Woodrow, they didn't admit African-American students until fairly recently. Since I was and still am African American, I figured that might not be the best choice. However, I'm getting some Woodrow Wilson toilet paper custom-made. He wouldn't understand integration if a black person was shitt- I mean, SITTING on his face.

[@jehovahkhalifa6760]

Do you really hate your ass so much you'd introduce it to fucking Willson? Why?

[@joshgroban5291]

Your ass deserves better dude. Woodrow doesn't even deserve that

[@thedeviousduck8027]

He fucked you over even more with the Federal Reserve. We’re ALL slaves to the Fed.

[@duganchase8577]

You know hes dead right, you gotta get the taliban on that shit

[@nooblord1233]

"I was and still am african american" lolll

[@thoughtfulpug1333]

Tfw when your reading about the first Black Colonel Charles Young and WW1 starts and there's a chance for him to become the first black general, but Wilson forces him into retirement before he could get the chance. "WilSON!"

[@concept5631]

Wilson: *is racist* Theodore: Ey if you got big stick you can fight.

[@justinrice5405]

@@concept5631 Teddy kinda fucked his legacy up on the racial front after the Brownsville Affair.

[@Joesolo13]

@@justinrice5405 Imo he was ahead of his time but still imperfect, and even after that shit show a lot of the men were allowed back in.

[@homeworld1765]

@@justinrice5405 The 25th Infantry Regiment (Buffalo Soldiers) were definitely framed by the racist residents of Brownsville, their commanding officers said that the men were fast asleep at the camp. However, I believe Roosevelt did what he did because he genuinely believed the men were at fault, not because of racial bias or bigotry. Many of those men were allowed to reenlist following some investigation.

[@kickinit7881]

:(

[@ibahalii653]

24:58 you made Hitlers armband the youtube logo? You rock star xD

[@tmutant]

I wondered if I was the only one who noticed that.

[@concept5631]

Its becoming more and more accurate.

[@Lapantouflemagic0]

seems appropriate 😄

[@brandonschultz642]

That armband logo is pretty accurate!

[@therealdude707]

I seen this video like 3 times. And I never realized. Thanks 👍

[@WaXX69420]

I can't believe he neglected to say how destructive the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was. Roosevelt would have never sold us out

[@abrahamlincoln937]

Theodore Roosevelt set the Federal Reserve into motion.

[@newguy8288]

@@abrahamlincoln937I don’t think so? That was Wilson. I don’t think monopoly busting and his other domestic influence really pushed toward the federal reserve being a thing