What if Byzantium kept control over Italy?

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The Crazy Historian

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@DeanMonsieur Ай бұрын

Keep up the good work 🫡 Sound & map quality are impeccable 🔥

@TheCrazyHistorian Ай бұрын

Thanks man, really appreciate it!

@morsecode980 Ай бұрын

“Byzantium” wasn’t a successor, it WAS Rome - more specifically, the surviving Eastern provinces. It was the exact same entity legally, just with different language and culture. Successors would be countries like Russia, Austria, and the Ottomans.

@FodaseNaoLigo Ай бұрын

Ok I don't care

@morsecode980 Ай бұрын

@@FodaseNaoLigo This comment wasn’t meant for you

@FodaseNaoLigo Ай бұрын

@@morsecode980 It was because I saw it

@SirBoggins Ай бұрын

@@FodaseNaoLigoYou cared enough to reply fool!

@GaiusJuliusCaesar. 28 күн бұрын

@@FodaseNaoLigothe fact you wrote this shows that you cared and the fact you kept replying shows how much of a clown you are. 🤡🤡🤡🤡

@S1AR_DUS1 Ай бұрын

Important to note, many dynasty’s in this timeline will be less German due to the fact their are less potential suitors that can’t enforce one kingdoms claim over another, which 100% guaranteed means no Georgian / Victorian / Windsor Britain and potentially means no Hapsburg Spain or Burgundy which has drastic implications on history going forward.

@vicrattlehead465 Ай бұрын

The hapsburgs are so far away from the pod that they most likely wont even exist

@sheepman7613 Ай бұрын

Did bro just say "a more ethnically diverse balkan" 😨

@0th_Law Ай бұрын

> A more ethnically diverse Balkans Oh no

@SuperminerPlays Ай бұрын

This would be one crazy Crusader Kings 3 game.

@eidoneverchoosen1171 Ай бұрын

Love germany calls themselves the holy Roman empire while Byzantium can claim they are Rome as they have the coty if Rome.

@leonardo_fratila Ай бұрын

What is coty? And that sentence barely makes sense

@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 Ай бұрын

The HRE had no control of the city of Rome either

@tanjiro2507 Ай бұрын

@@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014that's exactly what he says

@Maxzes_ Ай бұрын

@@leonardo_fratila”Love how Germany calls themselves the HRE, while Byzantium can [fully] claim that they are Rome as they have the city of Rome”

@leonardo_fratila Ай бұрын

@@Maxzes_ oh ok thanl you

@Cannon530YT Ай бұрын

_Congratulations on 1K subs and 10,000 views!_

@mappingshaman5280 Ай бұрын

3:59 the sassanids co existing with charlemagne? You do realise charlemagne ascended the throne over a hundred years after the muslims conquered the sassanids right? For that matter, if charlemagne exists why do the byzantines have north africa and southern spain when that should be muslim by the time of charlemagne?

@ricardogomes3820 Ай бұрын

To be honest I’m surprised The improvements you have made ever since you picked up history 2.0 project are astonishing. It doesn’t even look like the same channel anymore.❤

@board-qu9iu Ай бұрын

Yeah … the mic really improved honestly

@nealjroberts4050 Ай бұрын

The lingua franca for the Avars was already Slavic by the time of Charlemagne. This would allow for a Bulgarian style empire centred on Alt-Hungary as a mirror to the Frankish one. A reduced Lombardy would mean different splits to the Frankish Empire which could mean an actual Burgundian Kingdom lasting.

@consulargaming3554 Ай бұрын

Honestly dude you have a lot of potential, I say good luck to you, I always wanted to be an alternate history KZbinr myself

@Winter-Stripe Ай бұрын

Just found you and I love your video style.

@martimsousa2601 Ай бұрын

Goat video was always

@VisionnaireJulius Ай бұрын

This was a great improvement in sound!

@Lord.Romanus Ай бұрын

This gives me a deja vu of a CK3 run i did some months ago 😂

@micahistory Ай бұрын

congratulations on 1000 subscribers! This scenario was super interesting and unique. I would like a Part 2

@Chance_Rice Ай бұрын

Even if Italy/Roman see kept it's western liturgy it would pretty much be western rite Orthodoxy

@AndreaMoletta-s3c Ай бұрын

Would it use Latin as liturgical tongue thought?

@Chance_Rice Ай бұрын

@AnderaMoletta-s3c yes because they would still be ethically Latin, or they would use greek or both

@MarcTelang Ай бұрын

Cool new Alternate History youtubers!

@buni1934 Ай бұрын

Great video!

@finlandball1939 Ай бұрын

Who knew that the Byzantine Empire simply keeping Italy would result in an ultra THICC version of Germany being born like 600 years early…

@danielsantiagourtado3430 Ай бұрын

Love your content ❤❤❤❤❤

@TheHatersarebad Ай бұрын

Great video ❤❤

@ByzantineItalianMapper Ай бұрын

Please, do a part 2!

@Chance_Rice Ай бұрын

Also you should have either not talked about the schism or went into more detail because the real great schism was very complex

@barrankobama4840 Ай бұрын

The Lombards made one kingdom in Italy, not two, the duchies in the south were part of the same kingdom, until the arrival of Charlemagne.

@Meirstein Ай бұрын

Keeping Italy would have been far more trouble than it was worth. The urban infrastructure of the peninsula was utterly devastated by the Gothic Wars, causing the population and economic potential of the region to plummet.

@frozenbard Ай бұрын

I love ur videos

@JasonJenson Ай бұрын

Sound quality SLAPS!

@dinasiano Ай бұрын

Great video, but I would like to add something which I think was unrealistic. France I feel like wouldn't switch to the "anti-Pope" due to the Pope in Rome still being legitimate. In fact, I think really only Germans would follow the religion.

@dinasiano Ай бұрын

Well during the Middle Ages they were very close to the Pope so idk

@dinasiano Ай бұрын

@Armored_Ariete I’ve heard of those I would like to apologize for not considering that

@thekosineross Ай бұрын

Nice video, new sub

@bossy1496 Ай бұрын

Would the Islamic conquests not be much les effective due to the existence of the Italian manpower than the Byzantines would still have allowing them to put up more of a defense, Id assume that they'd be able to possibly regain Egypt but lose the Levant for some time, with North Africa to remain Christian, Iran would still fall to the Arabs though. With this the Byzantines would remain many times over stronger, allowing them to retain control over more of their lands, also with this, other Invasions like the Seljuks may also be less effective due to a stronger Byzantine, with possibly the Turks to only be able to settle in what is now Kurdistan at most.

@dershaddowclan2913 Ай бұрын

Could you make a video about “what if Kievan Rus never fell?”? I think it’d be interesting to view Europe without Russia and Siberia being potentially uncivilised

@theodoreenergo7824 Ай бұрын

Europe without russia...what a blessed timeline

@FuntimeVictimerFNAFBR Ай бұрын

@@theodoreenergo7824no

@alessandroioannone2113 Ай бұрын

@@theodoreenergo7824 the worst timeline.

@dershaddowclan2913 22 күн бұрын

@@alessandroioannone2113 it’s literally the best timeline

@Alternate-History-Chronicles Ай бұрын

Wait by the 1300s did the Illkhanate conquer Egypt here cuz in the map Egypt and mesopotamia are under one empire lmao

@TheCrazyHistorian Ай бұрын

Only Syria is under Ilkhanate control

@Alternate-History-Chronicles Ай бұрын

@@TheCrazyHistorian So they last till the 1300s? Interesting. Is there gonna be a part two?

@TheCrazyHistorian Ай бұрын

Sorry, I meant Ilkhanate Control, and no, probably not

@Alternate-History-Chronicles Ай бұрын

@@TheCrazyHistorian Oh ok. This video was really interesting hoping for a part 2 tbh

@TheCrazyHistorian Ай бұрын

If there is enough support then I might

@Mr_OogaBooga Ай бұрын

Bro keeps calling the Abassids sassanids am dyin

@emilianohermosilla3996 Ай бұрын

Tbh I really think there’s only a few things I regret happened in the world of Christendom, the fall of the eastern Roman Empire is the worst; the conquering of Anatolia as well as the Balkans, the consequences of which being seen in the area today, the schism is up there yes but I think it’s future looks damp since Christianity has been boosted by the internet, and in some ways the bolstering of unity between Christendom, ofc regional as well as cultural differences are there (as they exist now and will always be) but this victory and what it means will echo in the hearts of many, past and future, a redemption of sorts. Sorry for rambling about this, the thoughts flowed and I just let them through. Cheers man, good video 😉🔥

@farkasishtar5565 Ай бұрын

New sub here

@arthurbriand2175 Ай бұрын

What if Constantine had put his capital in Troy instead of Byzantium as he wanted before he was convinced otherwise? The capital is in Asia and in a less strategic position. What does it mean for the Arab invasions?

@gregoryturk1275 Ай бұрын

Nice video just subscribed hope to see more from you soon :)

@a.s.7936 Ай бұрын

Holy Larperino

@James-rm7sr Ай бұрын

I feel like if they held on this long pretty decent in 1300 should be able to survive and possibly revive as not dealing with the Ottomans. We know that the Romans were slow to use guns, but they would at some point adapt. They had lost so much of their former lands. I can see where a General happens to see the use of gun powder seeing he would need to arms as many soldiers as possible with them. He starts a rather short civil war as he wants to use guns. However, if not long after could come issues on food as they had lost so many of their lands which brought food in. So the people rebel and push to end the line of emperors. The Roman Republic is restored in Nova Roma. They decide they are tired of being humiliated. They want Italy back under their control. They march back even with early fire arms take Italy and Sicily. Which the Roman Republic returning to Italy. Which would start a whole new issue as the language being debated on. It is hard to say if the Romans would be so kind to the Norman population.

@fredrikjonsson-bj5ru Ай бұрын

Good video

@jaylonhale5704 Ай бұрын

I need a pt 2

@Sutton-vp3bf Ай бұрын

Byzantium would never be able to feed Italy and it’s eastern lands without Egypt

@fatumgermanicus1483 Ай бұрын

Sicily would have easily provided enough food

@ldubt4494 Ай бұрын

The maghreb is enough, and if it held italy it would have also managed to hold the maghreb.

@GoPterosaur Ай бұрын

Brilliant

@jaylonhale5704 Ай бұрын

Watching this to help me wait for roads to power😭

@ad_astra468 Ай бұрын

Then we would not call it Byzantium but the Roman Empire which is what it is.

@SNCY29 Ай бұрын

New sound quality? Yooo

@SirBoggins Ай бұрын

*What if Rome kept Italia?

@Respecteddude666 Ай бұрын

Could you do a "what if the 718 seig of Constantinople was a success"?

@db3games4 Ай бұрын

A few gripes with the role of the Pope in this timeline. With the Pope under Byzantine jurisdiction for a longer period of time the Pope most likely, while not immediately conceding, would be eventually diminished if not completely removed returning to it’s role as it had in the first millennium, that is the Patriarch/Bishop of Rome, under the authority of the Eastern Orthodox Church with it at best existing with a proto-western rite. However I’d agree that the eventual return of the Pope to the role of a Patriarch would not be well-received among the other western nations such as France and Spain and most likely a split far earlier than the one in your timeline

@Literallyhim_fr Ай бұрын

Please make the Denmark video

@erikaostad5035 Ай бұрын

i need a part 2

@AndreaMoletta-s3c Ай бұрын

I still think that Latin would remain the main tongue of the Papal States formed in 1300s.

@TheHatersarebad Ай бұрын

What if the Hundred Years War never happened?

@biljanakiric5111 Ай бұрын

What about what if byzantum soliders hade ak 47's 😂

@geokou7645 Ай бұрын

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@bigbo1764 Ай бұрын

It’s not really that people claim that Byzantium is such a strong successor to Rome that they may as well be the same entity. It’s the fact that the government of Byzantium is completely continuous with that of Rome before the empire was split - the emperorship is the same; by definition they aren’t successors because they are Rome, and they called themselves as such. The separation of “Byzantium” as a separate entity of pre-split Roman Empire is a targeted effort by German historian to discredit the eastern Roman Empire and legitimize the HRE. While general scholarly consensus has shifted and most now consider the eastern Roman Empire to be the Roman Empire in fact, the term “Byzantine” is still used as convenient annotation to separate the periods of roman history of pre and post split, roughly dividing the history of Rome in two.

@brn_4456 Ай бұрын

While I agree with your observations and i also believe that „Byzantium“ is the Roman Empire. I have to add the fact that splitting up Romes timeline this way makes so much sense. We have the Kingdom, we know very little of it. We have the Republic, were Rome Rose to power (my favourite part) and we have the Empire. And the unofficial fourth part is Byzantium and I believe it makes absolute sense to split it that way. Before the fall of the West the legitimacy of „being Rome“ was unquestionable because there were no other states besides the Sassanids who had their own History and empires they looked up to. After the west collapsed it became very messy, it wasn’t clear what these new states were, if they were part of the Roman world or something different, if they paid lip service to the eastern emperor or not. And the Question of what it means to be Rome arose in that time, being combined of course by the fact that the City itself became independent and was ruled by the pope, religion had become instrumental. And while the Byzantines always called themselves Roman, it’s also fair to mention that the West addressed them as „Imperium Graecorium“ or something similar, but almost never as „Imperium Romanum“ because that title became synonymous with the idea of a Pan European, Christian state. While you would be still correct with mentioning the continuity, I believe we should be open to the other arguments, because if during the existence of Byzantium it was being called something else, there had to be a change of mind somewhere.

@eidoneverchoosen1171 Ай бұрын

What if Joan of Arc sided with the Kingdom durijf the hunderd year war and leas rhe english armies to victory. Say she believes God is on england side since they were winning the hunderd year war.

@barkankirecci6939 24 күн бұрын

no ottomans doesn't mean no empire forming from there. Balkans are still fragile while mongol invasion and byzantine decline still can easly lead aother bayliks border byzantines to easly expand and reach balkans eventually form similar empire or at least sizable but more stable kingdom and focus on turkify region much stronger if they can't expand and doN't have reason to actually let minorities have much more authonomy. Also alreayd established rennaısance and richer istanbul if they capture the city that means they can actually reform and maybe cretae hibrit greek turkish culture idk it's up to rate of their oppression to christians.