What If Columbus Never Discovered the Americas

We all know the history of Christopher Columbus sailing to a "New World" in 1492, but what if Spain never claimed to have discovered the Americas and the Natives of the continent maintained control over the land? Check out today's epic new video that re-writes history in a way you've never seen before.
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[@michaelmaxwell6798]

The optimism that was utilized creating this video is hilarious

[@Kotazo85]

they had horses, or Tall Deer wink wink. No contact with Spain or England and yet they get mustangs...please...

[@luangu]

OPTIMISIM LEVEL 9000! SUPER EFFECTIVE!

[@ousamadearu5960]

@@Kotazo85 horses were reintroduced after approximately 11000 to 2000 years of horses being extinct in the Americas.

[@Kotazo85]

@@ousamadearu5960 basically they might as well be riding elk like that guy from mononoke Hime. Pfff

[@drewmadenew3000]

The lvl of people just copying the top few commenters and talking about how this is optimistic is hilarious.

[@DASBIGUN]

This seems like a REALLY happy and EXTREMELY optimistic view of it all. I mean, the civilisations in America where at war as much as in Europe.

[@alvinpierro2485]

the difference is once they joined with the larger groups they never fought against each other again mainly due to us leaving freedom of culture and religion unlike europe

[@alvinpierro2485]

they may be similar when it comes to war crazy but you cant say that for sure cause europe and natives in the americas had different ways of doing things

[@alvinpierro2485]

and me being a Algonquin know for a fact it wouldnt be gloom as youd think

[@admiralkaede]

Yeah I agree this is a bit too optimistic also they expanded them way too quickly also the Inca helping the Maya just wasn't very likely because they were still nowhere near them and they didn't have the advanced capabilities of transporting large numbers of troops over ocean or the dents mountainous or forested areas to Aid them

[@madelenaherrera1919]

Also, genocide wasn’t a goal for the natives. Europe as well as America were trying to wipe out nations with their small pox infested blankets and raids on villages that they wiped out completely.

[@trevboster2438]

This video is being extremely optimistic. Guns, germs, and steel is what allowed Europeans to dominate the Americas. If those in the Americas somehow got to Europe before the Europeans found the Americas, the Europeans would have immediately set out to conquer the Americas and dominated in much the same way as they had in real history.

[@kingace6186]

That is an opinion held only because you see this history as being the only history available.

[@numbskull9369]

@@kingace6186 Europeans were 2000+ years of technological advancement ahead of Native Americans. They would somehow need to catch up in a time before Europe launches satellites to find more land (which would only take 500 years from 1492 to 1957) because they can't accidentally find Europe in this timeline. Not to mention The Americas have been stuck in the stone age forever, and still have to accidentally discover gunpowder on their own. Not to mention They would still get the European's plagues and not the reverse because domesticable animals are necessary for plagues and the Americas don't naturally have any domesticable animals. "Extremely optimistic" is an understatement

[@kingace6186]

@@numbskull9369 Your statement comes from a lack of understanding of the First Nations. Also, it is very colonial of you to just assume that a different path of human evolution is inherently inferior.

[@kingace6186]

@@numbskull9369 Also where did you get all of these numbers and "statistics" from? And where are you getting your supporting details from? Because without a credible source, all of this is just bias-driven opinion stating. Which is fine I guess. Your comment is "extremely optimistic".

[@ulfrinndrengr1973]

@@kingace6186 The Indigenous Peoples of the Americas never smelted iron, and iron tools that have been attributed to the Inuit people were made largely from Asian drift iron in the 1600's. It's not about an alternate history being "inferior". It is that weapons of war and warfare we're not as advanced as the Europeans'. There was a greater need of wartime advancements throughout the history of Europe and they most certainly would have attempted to subjugate a group of people they deemed "inferior" or less equiped for warfare, as history already shows.

[@emersonharris142]

This is an idealistic dream at best. If people were able to get along without war it would have happened a long time ago well before even the Romans.

[@sxymoon19]

You mean if ✋🏻 people could get along without war,ethnic minorities only fought when provoked or under duress;even when our ancestors did so those captured worked for the enemies for a while then permitted to go home or stay where they were&work their way up the employment hierarchy. Don't even try&paint my ancestors with the same brush as ✋🏻 people's ancestors,I ain't no descendant of war mongers

[@gravefrightn5720]

America existed before Columbus its called creation. I notice a lot of Roman architecture that existed before the horse and buggy.

[@kingace6186]

You maybe speak with a sense of bias. Because the infographics show conveyed that the Natives would still wage wars between themselves. But overall, if left to progress undisturbed (like Europe was), the Americas would be prosperous. There would still be wars, but there would be no ethnic genocides, no racial segregation, no colonization, no plagues, and no concept of "racism" (classism yes, but no racism).

[@ctakitimu]

All "What If..." scenarios are idealistic dreams from some perspective. I think the point is supposed to be the fun of imagining, not a prophecy of how things would have been.

[@jamesschultz30]

@@kingace6186, disagree on your racism perspective. It exists in all cultures over all times.

[@alexsduthie23]

Sorry to nit-pick but there weren't horses in the Americas until the Spanish reintroduced them.

[@BungieStudios]

Right? 😂

[@laurienickless5564]

Horses were reintroduced to America by a 1433-34 Chinese expedition. Read TO THE GATES OF FENGTU. There are several DNA studies that point to Mongol ponies as the original Indian horse.

[@lightningboltt5437]

Just to be clear, horses were actually native in the Americas before they went extinct around 11000 years ago

[@alexsduthie23]

@@lightningboltt5437 yeah that's why I said reintroduced

[@876jamaicanyouth]

Thats what you were told and you believe this. The drawings showing Indians on horses were imaginative illustrations!!!!..wake up

[@mickeyray3793]

Alternate history is always fun! I remember once reading a great book from the library on the theme of alternate history. It was a collection of "what if" scenarios, exploring many different alternate histories. Fascinating.

[@emoney9128]

Sounds like a good read. Whats the title

[@kenupton4084]

@@emoney9128 not sure who h he is referring to but "Guns of the South" by Harry S. Turtledove is really good and part of a much larger series of books. Basically it's a "What if a bunch of uneducated Neo-Nazis got their hands on a time machine and tired to help the confederacy during the American civil war?" The author uses as much fact and records as possible to make everything logical and interesting. The first chapter opens with General Lee writing dispatches until he is startled by the sound of a rifle firing that he has never heard before... An AK-47. He is also disheartened when he turns over a tin of (in his mind, heavenly) "instant french vanilla coffee" to see the Made in the USA printed on the bottom. It's a really good series.

[@dawarrior95]

What’s the title???

[@Bendepriest]

@Ken Upton ...great book. I have almost his whole collection

[@jasonbrown372]

@@emoney9128 "What if the Hulk went....Berzerk?" Marvel Comics, What If? issue #45, printed: Mar. 1984

[@Honkious5824]

He says that they 'protect mother earth' as if they didn't believe it was a giant ever-hungering demon which would eat them all if they upset it (it's an Aztec thing at least, no idea if other cultures shared deities beyond the feathered serpent).

[@kingace6186]

The Aztecs respected and protected mother nature out of fear.

[@kingace6186]

@Daniel E. Actually, no. It was a part of First Nations theology and religious, animistic cultures/traditions.

[@user-wi9se5ll3j]

@Daniel E. A majority of Native Americans at least in my tribe believe that this land was never ours it was God's and we were the guardians of it. We have so much little time before we completely fail.

[@canofsouls282]

@@kingace6186 sources or I’m calling bs because I’ve never heard of this 😂

[@braydenroberts5474]

Sorry but your claim here is wrong. Sure the Aztecs believed in the feathered serpent, but they also believed in a pantheon of other gods. Likewise, the Inca believed in the sun god, who is not the feathered serpent, and believe that his children were the direct founders of their city. Lastly, many North American tribes believed in the great spirit, which is a deity by all accounts

[@LukeC908]

This hypothetical is pretty best case scenario, but highly unlikely.

[@kingace6186]

True. But it shows that human history did NOT have to play out the way it did.

[@202-Uptown-Legend]

This would make a pretty good TV series idea. I'm watching For All Mankind about an alternate history if The Soviets landed on the moon first. Really good show and I think a show based on this could work as well.

[@arcadiaberger9204]

That's a good idea.

[@ibrahimhassan711]

that's a really good idea. you could do if Germany won ww2, if Carthage defeated Rome, what if the British won against American in the war of independence or what if the USA collapsed instead of the Ussr. The possibilities are endless with alternative history. I dont know if it would be best in a documentary form or some kind of sci fi series with time travel.

[@michaeljordan6239]

@@ibrahimhassan711 What if the Brits win in 1812? Canadian Superpower?

[@Peakfreud]

@@ibrahimhassan711 Theres all ready a Series on Netflix I think it's called the Man in The High Castle that Tackles Germany winning WWII It isn't that great buts it's there

[@Peakfreud]

A better series would be to reverse History and the Tribes of the Americas invade Europe and subjugated them. And The Tribes of the African Continents exploited European lands and resources.

[@sealtyk]

The definition of discover is to find something unexpectedly or in the course of a search so regardless of indigenous people's residing where he landed he did find those islands unexpectedly or while he was searching so technically...

[@agustingonzalez3878]

Has anyone ever realized that not only was Columbus lost when he "discovered" the Americans who were not lost, but he was the most lost person in history. He was almost exactly on the opposite side of the planet from where he was trying to go. He could not have been more lost without leaving earth.

[@Bad_Miracle]

Thanks for this comment. I was scanning comments looking for the one person decent enough to point out that Columbus didn't discover America. They could have literally said "What if he never came to America", but the Infographics show is out here pushing that centuries old lie that he "discovered" America.

[@josee-annejoly6896]

Right? To land in the Bahamas when you're trying to find a route west is pretty bad navigation if you ask me 😂

[@rorrim0]

@@josee-annejoly6896 Dude back when Christopher Columbus sailed people thought the earth was smaller then it was, maps back then described landmasses that would be considered fantasy lands, and that there might've been a portal to paradise somewhere west.

[@TheItalianTrash]

Yup, Columbus died thinking he "discovered" modern Indonesia.

[@rorrim0]

@@TheItalianTrash i think he knew he wasn't in Indonesia.

[@Ahmad-yh4eg]

I think it's a highly optimistic view. We can't get along now, let alone getting along in a world where resources are limited.

[@robertdean1579]

A couple of thoughts: (1) You showed Native Americans on horses: horses came from Europe. (2) The Vikings had already made it to North America.

[@KingSpaceySprockets]

Horses our native to Americas. First fossil of the horse was found in modern day North America. Northern Caucasus people was the first to domesticate them

[@brandt107]

@@KingSpaceySprockets horses were in the Americas then went extinct around 11,000 years ago. During this time alternate history there would be no horses in the Americas.

[@robertdean1579]

@@KingSpaceySprockets Horses were already extinct in the Americas when Columbus arrived.

[@laurienickless5564]

Read TO THE GATES OF FENGTU, a recent translation of a 1433-34 CHINESE expedition to America. They brought Mongol ponies to America, which is why recent studies have discovered Mongol pony DNA in Indian horses!

[@robertdean1579]

​@@laurienickless5564 The Mongol armies invaded Europe in the 13th century, all the way to what is now Germany. That is a more plausible explanation for how Mogol pony DNA got into horses in the Americas: through Europe to the Americas. I have seen no evidence of Native Americans having horses in pre-Columbian times.

[@mattmz1366]

Aztecs were destroying other tribes, killing and enslaving them. Those tribes would’ve gone extinct just at a much slower pace. Aztecs were very much conquering other lands nearby.

[@jackfletcher2144]

Don’t forget the mass human sacrifices.

[@jonjonah4288]

Yea but that doesn't fit Infographics' narrative. Bad white man. I'm surprised the narrator did not go out of his way to point out that he has a black girlfriend, like he does in most videos.

[@chimyshark]

@@jonjonah4288 this woke story about the native Americans was pretty terrible and unlikely…

[@Astro-vl5fe]

They literally acknowledge most of these points, ending it by literally saying, perhaps the tables would be turned with Europeans oppressed....

[@gemmagem6360]

@@jonjonah4288 cry some more

[@Erichev]

Your whole scenario revolves around the idea that loving mother Earth would have made the different tribes live in harmony. It also assumes that they wouldn't develop a love of wealth and exploit one another. I think this is a rose tinted glasses view of the indigenous people. I feel they would have evolved and might have gotten to a collective North, a collective Central, and a collective South Americas. However, from there it would be no different than Europe. Each nation would want to rule. Each nation would house radicals that hated the government and want to oust the dictators (a la Scotland hating England). I think they would have had their own Kings vying for land grabs. Then when they met Europe it would have started peacefully, but Europeans had gun powder from China. Would the Americas have something comparable?

[@MumboJumboZXC]

VERY rose tinted. They were constantly at each other’s necks. Them all cooperating would’ve been nothing short of a miracle.

[@jmgonzales7701]

True, The best alternate scenario would be The Native Americans not sailing to Europe nor the europeans not sailing to Americas. In short isolation is the way to go, no European diseases, no Western imperialism etc. Both societies will just mind their own business. That is the ideal alternate scenario, its not too idealistic and beautiful but for the amount of deaths that the European caused the natives it wont happen if the age of exploration never happened or if they remained isolated. Seriously this connected globalized world was one of the worst things to happen.

[@Amondera3210]

We built everything and our artwork and monuments are everywhere. Big lips big noses big brain big everything! Everyone tries to tell our history because they don't have their own. So what did he do they watch TV, and or appropriate. When you talk about gunpowder you're talking about minerals when you talk about minerals you talking about geology when you talk about geology you're talking about masonry when you talk about masonry you talk about builders. So do you really think the Chinese learn gunpowder all by themselves? What's another name for a blacksmith? Look up the oisha Shango sometimes spell with the letter c and then look up Thor and then tell me whose civilization was first and then no one understand the more books you read, the more BS you find in this reality. PS you cannot be a samurai unless you have African roots. Welcome to several different rabbit holes.

[@johntaranto29]

Well as horrible as the disease was for the Americas, I think it's kind of good they got over the worst parts of being introduced to smallpox. If Columbus didn't show up they'd always be vulnerable to mass death, once some lost ship with most the crew dead shows up it'd be the same thing. It's somewhat of a myth that it was purposely given smallpox blankets that killed everyone, and although that did happen in isolated cases, small pox spread naturally because natives had no protection or immunity and it was like wildfire once it got into the population

[@Erichev]

@@Amondera3210 "PS you cannot be a samurai unless you have African roots." IF man did originate in Africa (I say this because we discover new historical things every day) then this statement is TRUE for everything. And doesn't have the weight I think you're trying to give it. Gun powder did come from China. Yes, it is possible Europeans and Americans (tribal) could have discovered this on their own eventually. However, that's another what if. My point was that the author painted natives as if they would be different than EVERY other culture. That they would have gotten along. They weren't when Europeans discovered their existence. There is nothing to back this theory. That was my point. It's been written with rose tinted glasses that shows a bias towards natives being harmonious. I LOVE these episodes. This one I finally commented on because I felt the strongest on the variance. Thank you for taking the time to read my novel. I'm hoping to turn this into a novela one day. ;)

[@jasonblum8288]

Not sure about this. Indigenous peoples were at war a lot, kidnapping, slavery, scalping, etc. were all common. Even today, different tribes don't agree with one another and do not accept those claiming to have have a link. The ideas presented in the video is too cumbaya.

[@gravefrightn5720]

America existed before Columbus its called creation. I notice a lot of Roman architecture that existed before the horse and buggy.

[@dallasblues74]

Yep. And they’d thank their lucky stars that the Comanche never acquired the horses brought over by the Europeans.

[@studmuffin2769]

Fully agree. I think middle and South America maybe… because of central powers. But North America… they sort of chickened out on actually answering it by saying it is just multiple tribes with an “understanding” To me that sounds like a lawless Wild West… where everything you said happens daily. Waaaaay too cumbaya to be real. Also ultimately it still boils down to a more advanced power vs a less advanced power. “”War, war never changes” - fallout 4” -Me

[@Dade512]

The level of war vastly differed than post European, and often it wasn't to eradicate a tribe. Also, the type of slavery was often quite different than post Europeans. Scalping, however, was brought about by Europeans. They would take the scalp of indians they killed to show how many they killed to get their pay. Natives started doing it back for revenge. Keep in mind as well...a lot of info that there is about natives is from non-natives... History is always written by the victor.

[@wanderingheathen4426]

Scalping wasn’t as common as you think until the english and french introduced “scalping bounties”. Kidnapping, War, and SLAVERY were also very among the most “successful” nations. So to try and use ANY of that as the base of an argument is just, well, not a good base? Also many MODERN countries also don’t get along, at all, in the literal same sense. Can you come up with a better argument?

[@King_Steffon_II]

You should do more alternate history videos mate 👍🏾

[@RavenFilms]

There’s a whole channel that does stuff like this, AlternateHistoryHub. It’s pretty good if you are into this sort of thing.

[@isaacwojo3273]

Whatifalthist is a pretty good channel for that.

[@mrmvp2323]

Agreed

[@aaronblank2318]

I mean, I totally agree...but dude has a LOT of history videos.

[@bernard1799]

The description says "We all know the history of Christopher Columbus discovering the New World in 1942". Shoutout to good ole Christopher Columbus discovering the Americas in the midst of World War 2.

[@jenniekelly571]

Pretty good for a REALLY old dude!

[@The_Lucent_Archangel]

@@jenniekelly571 500 years. He hung in there, didn't he? Just like Vigo. :D

[@jenniekelly571]

@@The_Lucent_Archangel 🤣🤣🤣

[@reubenmarchant2229]

I could 'discover' a restaurant or other place. This does not mean no one knew about, not even workers, owners. People need learn that words have many variations usage. If it had not been Columbus it would been some other European, the technology, desire to seek out new places was already there. Whoever would have been could have made Columbus look good in comparison.

[@stevekirkpatrick1612]

To be noted as a discoverer all you have to do is pass along new knowledge to a crowd. This is where having an amount of social influence is involved. I could loudly sing the praise of my favorite hole in the wall restaurants for years, but if nobody listens to me it doesn't matter. Meanwhile Gordon Ramsey could throw out an "it's okay" and that restaurant would explode in popularity within the hour. For the record even the fact that I know who Gordon Ramsey is serves as proof of this. I never ate anything he cooked, for all I know he serves soup straight out of a sewer pipe.

[@zollen123]

If no European ever discovered the America continent, common ingredients like chilli pepper, potato and tomato would never be part of the European diets. Without potato, the European population would have been much smaller, many scientific discoveries and industry revolution would have been delayed for a few centuries or more. Europeans might even have adapted having rice as their stable diet when instead coming in contact with Asian cultures.

[@TFatSon]

Wow this is actually interesting!

[@OfficialDJTasawennateken]

@@TFatSon no it's not it's false and correct info and this old man don't know what the f he's talking about

[@kingofgamez_9695]

@@OfficialDJTasawennateken what u mean?

[@Dennis-nc3vw]

No Irish Potato Famine, though!

[@kylewalker641]

While the European population may have been smaller, it’s hard to say industrialization would have been delayed. The European Renaissance was already well under way by 1492 and many European nations were experiencing population growth and technological advancement before the effects of New World goods became common in their market places. England and France wouldn’t have successful permanent colonies in the Americas for nearly a century or more after Columbus, yet their societies were still advancing due to Renaissance ideals spreading throughout their cultures. Germans and Scandinavians either never had American colonies or their colonies didn’t amount to much yet they still made great technological strides in the 16th century and on, essentially without American resources. European exploration and colonization were the result of prior technological and societal advancements, namely from the crusades, not inherently the cause of those advancements.

[@aabahdjfisosososos]

Fun fact: One of the main reasons for exploration at this time was the saying of “gold, glory, and God.”

[@DidiTheCoolio]

some other place had a saying fur friends and fish

[@numbnumbjuice7296]

in gold we trust

[@mw9297]

White man has been manipulated by the devil building a fantasy word

[@Thesaurcery4U2C]

@@DidiTheCoolio WHERES ALL THE WHITE WOMEN.. That always looked good on a flag

[@schlegs27]

the vid description: “Christopher Columbus discovering the new word in 1942” 😭

[@skela098]

Since weapons and military technique was about 400-500 years ahead in Europe (looking by standpoint of Spanish conquistadors, when they marched trough central America), how would native Americans successfully conquer Europe?

[@kingace6186]

That actually is a misconception. The First Nations would have handled the European colonizers, even with their horses, guns, and armor. But the Europeans had a secret weapon... plagues. But likewise, even if the Europeans stayed in Europe and the "Americans" crossed the ocean, Europeans would still have plagues to unintentionally weaponize.

[@skela098]

@@kingace6186 Sorry but I have to disagree. Hardened steel swords, different types of metal armors, guns on boats, and best for last, 2000 years of constant warfare (within Europe's borders) will make proper combat between Europeans and native Americans really short. Yes in the end smallpox and measles (there was no proper outbreak of plague during age of discovery, "black plague" pandemic was finished 150 years before Columbus "discovered" Americas) killed about 60-75% of all native Americans, but without it they would put up the fight, valiant one, but outcome would be the same (eventually).

[@Sniperboy5551]

They wouldn’t. This whole video makes a lot of incredibly idealistic guesses, but most of them are ridiculous.

[@kingace6186]

@@skela098 You should read about the Battle of Dagoli, Battle of Adwa, Battle of Lexington & Concord, Battle of Dien Bein Phu, Battle of Wabash, and more. These battles were all parts of wars where the outmatched and technologically inferior forces prevailed. These battles were a part of the wars: The 1st & 2nd Italian Colonization attempts of Ethiopia; the Africans were victorious. The American Revolutionary war; the colonists were victorious. The Vietnam War (both); the northern Vietnamese were victorious. The Northern Indian War; the Northwestern Indian Confederacy was victorious.

[@skela098]

@@kingace6186 I agree. But none of these battles were even close to being 500 years of technological difference in weapons and armor. Just do another mind game. Use 30000 current US Navy force (with all current equipment), and let them fight, Napoleon and his 300000 strong army. What is your prediction? And that is only 220 years of technological progress.. Also how many wars could you write down where technologically superior force won? About 95%. So purely by mathematics, native Americans did not stand a chance, not in the long run.

[@arcadiaberger9204]

This is an interesting scenario. You might want to try exploring some other paths history might have taken, such as if the Viking visits to the New World had brought smallpox 500 years earlier, which would have allowed the resistant survivors to rebuild their population by the time other Europeans arrived.

[@msdanielsjd]

Or what if the Vikings stayed in North America

[@jmgonzales7701]

Or maybe total isolation would have been the ideal scenario. Europeans not coming to America with their diseases and not experience colonialism.

[@jmgonzales7701]

@@msdanielsjd That would be bad. I hope they never came to the Americas. TBh i hope NO one came to the Americas. The Americas belongs to the indigenous people only and we wouldn't want them to be replaced by anyone.

[@jmgonzales7701]

@Rachel Johnson they died out.

[@stevekirkpatrick1612]

Give it time, there are still people who have respect for Columbus who must have that decimated first.

[@martini1179]

I like the way Neil DeGrasse Tyson put it. He started a chain of events wherein the two sides of humanity were reintroduced, after being separated for ~10,000 years.

[@kingofgamez_9695]

Not true Polynesians East Asians and Africans sailed to the Americas centuries before the first Europeans could even leave there landmass. Yeah I’m talking about Leif erickson , Columbus didn’t reconnect nothing he simply got lost trying to find a short cut to east Asia and by some unfortunate chance landed in the Bahamas and nearly caused the extinction of millions of native Americans. What Neil degrasse said is false he was mostly reading a script to appease the higher ups, but if u actually study history outside a Eurocentric perspective then you’ll understand what had actually gone down, it wasn’t pretty at all it was a blood bath

[@kingofgamez_9695]

@@fedevida1951 what are u getting at?

[@kingofgamez_9695]

@@fedevida1951 the plague measles smallpox was by Europeans unsanitary living condition’s during medevil times not really from asia and africa. During Europes colonization of the new world they had intentionally spread they viruses 🦠 to the native population to pick ‘em off one by one until they were low in numbers. Europe had more disease because they were living in closer proximity to one another and with animals like pets and pests like roaches and rodents people hardly showerd or did personal hygiene, people would throw waste in the streets via out the door or window. Leaving animals to walk throw it and the town homes etc etc. While africa had malaria and asia had something else idk of, they didn’t spread anything to the first nationers on contact there’s your awnser bro.

[@waymilky442]

@@kingofgamez_9695 Polynesians yes. Maybe SouthEast And likely Vikings as the video mentioned. But Africans and Asians didn't.

[@kylewalker641]

@@kingofgamez_9695 at present, there is no archaeological evidence to support East Asians or Africans sailing to the Americas. The Polynesian theory does have more merit based on their maritime technology and skills and genetic evidence in human remains discovered in SA. The Vikings did leave behind the ruins of settlement. But there is no archeological evidence to support that Africans or East Asians sailed to the Americas before Columbus. Until there is evidence to support that claim, it’s just speculation.

[@WildeHoppsANDW]

I think one aspect that is missed in all this, is that no matter the empire in the Americas, they amassed their power through subjugation and slavery of other tribes. In the section on the Incas, it was said they'd find tons of medicines and share with all other cultures. That's the opposite of what had been happening for centuries in the Americas. So I dont see how or why human nature would change because Europeans hadn't come along.

[@The_Lucent_Archangel]

It wouldn't change, but the "modern" school of thought is that the rule of conquest was only evil and immoral when it was practiced by Europeans and no one else.

[@JonBrown-po7he]

Sir, you've stumbled across the stinch of propaganda, only now it's employed to deify non European, non American or, simply, anything non Western in hopes of falsely portraying as ever virtuous, giving and readily sharing. It angers petty people when they are told of short commings, and they create these false narratives despite archeology, history and other facts which contradict these warm and fuzzy lies and exaggerations. Time spent on these individuals results in no growth.

[@cbstein]

Precisely

[@kingace6186]

You are failing to differentiate between conquering and colonizing. Colonization and race-based slavery are distinctly European practices.

[@WildeHoppsANDW]

@@kingace6186 Oooooh, you mean like how the Moors conquered and colonized the Iberian pennisula and sold off the inhabitants as slaves in the Arab world because they believed that any non-arab was a lesser being? Or how in the middle east all throughout history empires came in, conquered the inhabitants of an area, sold off the people to slavery and colonized it themselves because each empire considered themselves the best and other ethnic groups as lesser beings? Ooooh! Ooooh! Or how about how the Aztecs conquered new lands, colonized them, and used the inhabitants for human sacrifices and as slaves! Do any of those hundreds of societies, groups and ethnic groups that practiced colonization and slavery based upon race count?

[@Robert-um3dz]

Sure is a heck of a hippy fever dream, Aztecs literally were ripping hearts out. They'd have spread

[@emefafrank]

There's no way we would go 600 years without knowing there's an entire continent

[@aabahdjfisosososos]

I’d say someone at another point in time would’ve colonized the Americas if Columbus never did so because colonization was so common during this period of exploration.

[@shokew2241]

The Viking tried this but failed and the key factor for euros was that the plague killed 80% of the population and even the 20% that existed gave the colonizers a very hard time for hundreds of years. US army was defeated and forced into treaties but they broke and dishonored all of the treaties and killed innocent women and children because they could not deal with the males by honorable war means.

[@thedrunkengreybeareddwarf8431]

@@shokew2241 Jesus they never changed

[@schmakyle649]

After Constantinople was taken over by the Ottomans it was inevitable that another European would find America

[@schmakyle649]

@@shokew2241 also the native tribes that fought alongside Europeans against the Aztecs helped a lot

[@rolanddeschain9880]

@@shokew2241 vikings didn't tried that's false They just visited and left

[@landenwarren1091]

What a second, I swear this has been my suggestion for infographics to doa video on like 4-5 times in the last couple months! Does anyone know if they credit their video ideas? I’m not that arrangement to think I am the only one to suggest this idea but I’m just wondering if they credit their video ideas..

[@divine_naught]

No racism. Our own Religion. Love and Happiness. Only a pipe dream.

[@andrewyerian214]

1. Leif Eriksson is the first European to discover North America. 2. It's really pathetic that woke people are arguing how the word "discover" should be used, just like how they want to control everything else. To discover something means you find it. For example, I can live my life in the forest without pizza and video games, but then discover they exist because I find out about them. Likewise, European, Africans, and Asians had no knowledge about the Americas, so they discovered it when their people set foot on it or read about it. That is literally how discoveries work.

[@Thesaurcery4U2C]

2 days ago....... Discovered a hemorrhoid

[@graysonaudette3525]

That’s not how discoveries work. Like in a colloquial, subjective, and individual sense of the word, yes. But obviously that is not the context when speaking about who discovered America. Anyone with half a brain should be able to realize that. If you think about the great discoveries of human history, like agriculture, metallurgy, electricity, etc. you’re talking about the first people in human history to discover those things. That is how the word is used.

[@Hitch93Hiker]

@@graysonaudette3525 Is it therefore impossible to discover another people group?

[@ConstantineofRome]

No lief didnt Erick the red did

[@Dennis-nc3vw]

@@graysonaudette3525 So what do you say, Columbus "landed in" America? Columbus "stumbled on" America? None of those accurately convey what happened.

[@zollen123]

Even if it wasn't Columbus, someone else would shortly discovered one of the largest continent stick out from the ocean.

[@milanimorales2645]

Discover? There were people already living there.

[@adventure6583]

Correction the largest and BEST!!🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@rolanddeschain9880]

@@milanimorales2645 Nobody knew about America Columbus visited and he discovered there was continent and after that Everybody learnt about this new land

[@mymovies9172]

Columbus never discovered America. How can anyone discover a land, if the land was already occupied!?

[@wingslider]

True someone else would have colonized it

[@richardbennett4365]

A question: why are the native peoples shown riding horses in the timeline where there is no 16th century European contact? The horse species died out in the Americas thousands of years earlier. The only way there were horses is as a result of them being transported with humans on ships from Europe.

[@laurienickless5564]

According to recently translated account of expedition to America in 1433-34, the Chinese introduced Mongol ponies. That is why Mongol pony DNA has been found in Indian horses. Read TO THE GATES OF FENGTU which is the translation of the Chinese.

[@jonoc3729]

@@laurienickless5564 I find that really hard to believe, if the native americans had horses Im pretty sure the spanish would have written about it. Since they did explore the missisipi area in the early 16th century, yet no mention of horses.

[@laurienickless5564]

@@jonoc3729 the horses were further west than the Mississippi area, and if you were the Spaniards, would you report evidence of a competing claim to your land grab? (Lots of other European explorers didn't report inconvenience s either)The DNA says that they didn't tell the whole truth.

[@laurienickless5564]

@@jonoc3729 Early European records mention some horses on east coast. However, the horses proven to have Mongol pony DNA were on the west coast and plains.

[@kamaljohnson23]

Who ever illustrates the thumbnails needs a raise they be looking to fire 🔥🔥

[@nicholausbuthmann1421]

Might very well be a Parallel Universe like this.........I've always been curious if Ghengis Kahn's Family had managed to conquer everything across the then known world if they'd of found their way to Alaska. If they had that would've also been very bad for everyone involved as well.

[@donnykhan9102]

There's a trilogy kinda based on that. It's called "clash of eagles." Pretty brutal but very cool.

[@nicholausbuthmann1421]

@@donnykhan9102 Thanks, I appreciate that. Interesting Screen name.

[@poly503]

Every possibility has it's own universe

[@MarloSoBalJr]

I doubt they'd head that far into present day Alaska. Try crossing the Bering Strait then onto a barren frozen wasteland before you find actual humanity. Even Ghengis would have thought immediately, "Allow us to throw away our prisoners on this new land and head the F*CK back home!"

[@Kotazo85]

@@donnykhan9102 you know the Khan, go big or go home!

[@TraTranc]

Yeah, just a little thing: Columbus never reached the territory of the current US. The closest he went was Cuba.

[@cptmarcus]

The narrator did say that he didnt discover or reach modern US territory

[@damanigrey8123]

The title is clickbait

[@kaybud28]

The AMERICAS as in South America and North America Jesus Christ and Cuba is in NORTH AMERICA

[@chernovbrichtofen4767]

@@damanigrey8123 read the title clearly

[@gerarduspoppel2831]

Indeed. But he did clear the way for the rest of Europe

[@forgivezhariondissapointed4234]

Why don’t some people mention the fact Columbus never made it to North America , the closest they believe he got was Cuba...

[@everettwatsonrazorearcwolf6553]

Actually, he made around 4 voyages and I believe the second one landed him in America (and it wasn’t just Cuba)

[@hermitmoth6118]

Because it was mentioned as a preface at the start of the video? Did you even watch it?

[@jypsridic]

because everyone knows and no one thinks it is relevant to any discussion.

[@kylewalker641]

Cuba is considered North America. He never set foot on the mainland, but he did set foot in North America.

[@CutGMaster]

Columbus: These people are Indians and we’ve sailed to India! Teen time travelers: woah woah woah, that’s racist

[@valerielhw]

Sadly, regardless of which culture contacted which first, I think that diseases new to the native Americans (such as smallpox) would have still wiped them out. Native Americans simply didn't have any resistance to them.

[@Thesaurcery4U2C]

Val8742 They kept no livestock. So they never shared those bacteria.

[@valerielhw]

@@Thesaurcery4U2C Correct. That is exactly why they had no resistance to European diseases. The people's of the new world were, tragically, sitting ducks for _when_ (not "if") prolonged interactions were made with the old world, regardless of how those interactions took place.

[@Thesaurcery4U2C]

@@valerielhw Biological Racism... When it's ok to say. Racism... It's the reason we are such a diverse species today. Racism... It's the seasoning, Keeping the flavor of life from being tasteless Racism... Without it... It would not exist Racism... The most beautiful of all rainbows Ok Val... Let's celebrate together Now you do one... 🧐😛

[@laurahardy9420]

@@Thesaurcery4U2C Val8472 makes a good point. Native Americans didn't have resistances to the diseases that freuqented the large cosmopolitan cities of Europe and Asia. Historically, when colonists and explorers from Europe (a tiny portion of the continent's population) encountered Native American tribes, their ailments often infectsd the local population, spread quickly, and wreaked havoc. Even if the Native Americans visited the Europeans in Europe first, they still wouldn't have had resistances to the diseases prevalent in those areas first, so plenty of ambassadors and explorers would have still died. Interestingly though, if Native Americans had begun building cosmopolitan cities of their own at home, this may have led to epidemics of new diseases unique to the Americas that the Americans developed resistances to. If this had occurred, perhaps the Native American explorers would have transmitted some illnesses to the European population, which may have caused epidemics themselves. Food for thought

[@laurienickless5564]

You are correct about smallpox. Mississippian culture was ravaged by that disease when it arrived with a Chinese expedition in 1433. Read TO THE GATES OF FENGTU, the newly translated account of that expedition.

[@vicrai578]

If Christopher Colombus didn't discover America, the Portuguese would. They discovered Brazil in an unrelated manner, as they were following the maritime winds to get around Africa in order to reach India. So even though maybe the Spanish wouldn't be as powerful as in the real world, the Americas would still be colonized by the Europeans

[@direwoulf1663]

What if ice age humans never crossed the Bering land bridge and there were never people in the new world before Europeans arrived? How would exploration be delayed without anyone to tell the settlers what plants were safe to eat or how to navigate difficult terrain?

[@SabbatarianSundayer.]

Ice age humans; how long ago was that? Please don't trace back further than Adam and Eve.

[@diegoontour]

It would be populated by wild animals, and since humans are not there, they probably would evolve bigger and dangerous. Like in Kong island.

[@Cybernaut551]

@@SabbatarianSundayer. Cope.

[@OfficialDJTasawennateken]

Were humans that were European in America during the ice age they were called the Clovis people they came from Spain and France I suggest you like I told other people go do some real history search the Clovis people were in America before my people Native Americans and then they just vanished one day after the native people came here I think you can take a guess as to what happened my people came here and they did the same thing that modern Europeans did spread disease and violence and war and massacred and murdered all the previous occupants as to why the Clovis people disappeared and no one knows what happened to them.

[@SabbatarianSundayer.]

@@Cybernaut551 What do u mean; Cope?

[@jamess5133]

one small probelm hyphotechically if everything in the video happened the eropens and natives would have not understood each other because the native most likely would not have spoke the luage they did

[@KS-PNW]

Right.... The civilization best known for its widespread use of human sacrifice would have peacefully sought out new lands for purely benign reasons... Not saying it's impossible but this is def a best case scenario.

[@jamalakinade8175]

What r d chances Ur a white person

[@jamalakinade8175]

Apparently Europeans Wer being peaceful and loving as always during this time

[@khalilfajloun3787]

@@jamalakinade8175 Who said that?

[@jamalakinade8175]

@@khalilfajloun3787 the foul i replied not you

[@canofsouls282]

There were thousands of civilizations out there the video is about both north and South America,human sacrifices was actually celebrated to at he time, many of those sacrifices would wave to their families good bye while going up the steps 😂 it’s a common misconception that they were unwilling.

[@CultureIsKey]

Can you do a video on what life might be like had slaves never been used to help build Babylon?

[@69BigLou]

What if the NHL hadn't discovered Canada

[@kermitthegun7132]

Thanks for help with my history fair bro

[@Fenris77]

I love alternate history. In Crusader Kings 2 there is a DLC where in the 1300s or early 1400s the Aztecs discover Europe and starts conquering in the south mostly... Seriously it sort of goes away from Paradox developer usually do but it is great.

[@damiannunez9965]

I think if America wasn't discovered at all then eventually the Aztec and Inca would have expanded to the point where they met. The Aztec was expanding South while the Inca was heading North the Mayan civilization had already collapsed and the Aztec I believe was in civil war. The Incas was more unified and way more advanced then the Aztec. They had metal weapons, larger armies, cotton armor, and advanced road system and prob. would've convinced many Aztec to join they're civilizations. I could be wrong but the Aztec sacrificial rituals is what pushed many Aztec to accept the Spanish way of life/religion. The Inca government system was somewhat communist where they gave all they're people food and protection in return for they're labor. This would eventually led to the Incas probably conquering central america and eventually going to North America which was less advanced then the Aztec and Inca.

[@JuiceMyRandomness]

I love alternative history

[@bobbybrown8181]

Thank you

[@itzamia]

The Native American wearing a head dress as the statue of liberty in the thumb nail was pretty clever.

[@Redjoekido]

If the Europeans never came due to still thinking sailing west is dangerous, wait until they start sending out satellites to discover the continent in the 1960's. However it is extremely inevitable for Europeans not to discover America. With the rise of steel covered ships going on high speed would make it to America.

[@user-wi9se5ll3j]

I really believe in what you're saying, and not only that but there would probably be more world wars without America. But Native Americans are still suffering today.

[@LSF17]

I highly doubt space exploration would’ve happened at all

[@JeremiahLowther]

Unbelievably utopian

[@siaosiblevins361]

He was the first person to officially discover it for the Europeans

[@ken3243]

discover what??

[@TheGoldenBoot-cz1do]

Man infographics hates Columbus sheesh

[@TheGoldenBoot-cz1do]

@@Tribrid-zv3nq well cause without Columbus I'm probably not existing where I am today and that'd be a real bummer

[@PunishedJester]

While this video is absolutely a best case scenario, the unfortunate truth is while North American indigenous people had a Northwestern Confederacy, this was formed out of the necessity to combat European Colonists increasingly expanding and breaking truces. The harsh reality is prior to American Colonization is that warfare was still common between different tribes who viewed themselves culturally different. One example being the Lakota's enslavement of weaker tribes at the battle for Tunkasila Sakpe Paha (what is now Mount Rushmore). Much of North America was comparable to early German and Celtic tribes where the Potlach was a celebration that distracted many attendees of the harsher politics that would carry on before and after.

[@The_Lucent_Archangel]

You shouldn't point this out here. Aside from the simple truths you've laid out, it's also worthy of note that the tribes here were so busy pillaging and wholesale slaughtering one another over farmland and hunting grounds that it's no wonder they were still not even up to the point of working metal after thousands of years in isolation.

[@ianheinz591]

Look, somebody else who was turned off by this dreck. They would have carried on being as barbarous as they had been all while never reaching a tenth of what Europe and Asia had already accomplished. European colonization was a net good and they didn't do anything to them they weren't already doing to themselves.

[@kylewalker641]

Exactly! This video glosses over so much archeological and historical information, implying that Native civilizations were still intact at the time of contact despite falling apart centuries earlier, or implying that historic confederations and alliances that were a result of contact with Europeans were present before contact.

[@1themaster1]

In Eurasia, the developments of Antiquity go hand in hand with the Ages of Copper, Bronze/Brass and Iron/Steel. Probably the Native Americans would also need a certain level of metallurgy to progress to modernity.

[@RAYDENfilipp]

They would also have to explore China to learn about gunpowder.

[@laurienickless5564]

@@RAYDENfilipp Chinese used gunpowder weapons during expedition to America in 1433-34. Read TO THE GATES OF FENGTU.

[@1themaster1]

@Nikki If they don't modernize, they still get conquered later. There is a Darwinian component to the coexistence of civilizations.

[@canofsouls282]

@Nikki some civilizations enjoyed progress, prime examples are meso American societies. In the short 400 years a group of wandering nomads built cities rivaling Europe and asia

[@kylewalker641]

@@canofsouls282 Mesoamerican civilizations developed over a period thousands of years, not just 400. The Aztecs were just the most recent distinct civilization, and unique to only one region of a larger geographic area. The Aztecs were preceded by the Maya, who preceded the lost civilization that built Teotihuacan, who were in turn preceded by the Olmec... Its a similar progression of Mesopotamian Civilizations, where you had distinct civilizations, with common roots, developing in the same geographic region over a period of time. The Inca in South America were also just the most recent power in a long line of civilizational development in South America that goes back thousands of years.

[@BLACKSKIIMASK]

Do one about The Comanche tribe from when they separated from the Shoshone to present day. Fun fact:Tne Tribe has Johnny Depp as a official tribal member.

[@rackroll4405]

This is hopelessly optimistic.

[@skyblu81]

If you like this concept check out The Redemption of Christopher Columbus by Orson Scott Card

[@CwL-1984]

with out Europeans how would the natives get horses?

[@kingofgamez_9695]

Asians

[@luyandzabavukiledlamini4693]

Very interesting scnerios as this alternate history night happen in another universe can never know

[@roseleejones8342]

Could you do a video explaining how a VPN really works and does it really protect us or is the VPN company just collecting our info? Also a video on maybe how Kardashian culture/instagram culture what could be the effects of this down the line. Love your videos and content. Just some random suggestions.

[@Doom500]

If there were no European influence. There will be no horses. Just a polite observation..

[@Vea..]

Yea I noticed that but indigenous people can probably domesticate bison

[@BungieStudios]

Right? 😂

[@laurienickless5564]

Read TO THE GATES OF FENGTU, the recently translated account of a pre-Columbian Chinese expedition to N. America. They brought Mongol ponies that are genetically related to modern Indian horses.

[@peterp4037]

It would be very difficult for that to happen. The Spanish already had that route in mind to find new ways to connect their empire with Asia. So it would be a matter of time before Spain had arrived.

[@JuiceMyRandomness]

Does anyone know if there are any alternative history novels about native Americans and this type of story about an alternative americas.

[@t.o.toonstubetwo.4138]

Good video

[@jaryncovell2538]

He said "if Columbus didn't come over a lot less people would've died from him". Yeah, they'd be dying from eachother but in different ways lol

[@kathyurschel8983]

Pretty much. Acting like Spanish and English colony's are that much worst than the Japanese or Chinese out or a midde eastern would have colonized them it wouldn't have been much better.

[@jaryncovell2538]

@@kathyurschel8983 even between eachother they were attacking entire tribes to steal as many as they could for slavery and sacrifice. The only difference is the white man or the Asian man had far superior technology so "it's not fair" and the more technologically advanced invader is simply a bully for doing what they're doing to eachother better.

[@Thesaurcery4U2C]

@@jaryncovell2538 Well it feels good, to make someone feel bad, for something neither of you experienced. It brings us closer together

[@kathyurschel8983]

@@jaryncovell2538 it's not bullying it's called warfare. Before ww2 people fought for land and would have killed everyone to get it.

[@jaryncovell2538]

@@kathyurschel8983 I should've put Bullying in "" because I wasn't talking for myself

[@acosiak6191]

Alternate history lol. Neat. Super challenge: "What if Africa was never colonized..?" That would require Professor level knowledge on Pre-Colonial African kingdoms, and like three parts lol.

[@davewave1982]

I have one word for you “Gunpowder”. Game over man.

[@flavius5722]

This is the much optimistic scenario possible.

[@pacofavela7770]

Extemely optimistic, but a nice story :)

[@tylerjohn7579]

The natives had thousands of years to get to where Europeans and Asians were.

[@reubenmarchant2229]

Discover: find (something or someone) unexpectedly or in the course of a search. It does not mean to be the first, just that someone found it. Like a resteraunt that you didn't know about. If you discovered it that does not mean no one was there, there had to be staff.

[@jeffwilson1394]

Your scenario/model would probably work better if the premise was "The Ottomons never closed the silk road" instead of "everyone missed"

[@TheItalianTrash]

A very optimistic view. While many Native American tribes were peaceful. Many were not!

[@richardbennett4365]

What about native Canadians and native Mexicans? There were people living there, too. It's so strange. Even the "native Americans" were colonizers and not original people living in these lands. This narrator even said ancient people colonized these lands as far back as 16000 years ago, but I believe the record shows there were people here before then, and there are Roman artifacts found near the Chesapeake Bay, so Europeans apparently came even before 1000 CE.

[@stevekirkpatrick1612]

Hush hush, this is an episode about why the country America is bad. I'll give credit that the veil is thicker than most other places where they attempt the white guilt indoctrination. Canada is good because socialized medicine... impervious to critique. Mexico is good because.... they have less money? I really don't know.

[@-p2349]

You know he was talking about the Incas at one point that was a civilization that stretched from South America to Mexico Spain took their land and enslaved them that’s where they got Mexico from (Spain used to own Mexico before it became independent”

[@emanueldelacruz1101]

@@-p2349 Incas = South America (Peru) Mayans = Central America Aztecs = North America (Mexico)

[@joaquinflores3547]

@@emanueldelacruz1101yea he made no sense when he said the mayans would move up north until controlling all of Central America and Mexico, the Aztecs keep them from doing so, and he made all the native tribes look super peaceful when in fact they were not 😂

[@rebelcommander7starwarsjur922]

I like the video I really do but you did miss some of the cultures in North America like I’m kinda REALLY surprised no Inuit culture is mentioned as well as I think North America wasn’t mentioned as much as it should have but I LOVED the video.

[@amazinkay4512]

Natives were constantly waring with each other. The idea there would be peace is laughable.

[@kingofgamez_9695]

Not necessarily

[@Cyrus992]

The Russians, Arabs, Chinese and Japanese would have taken over

[@The_Lucent_Archangel]

The Chinese are gradually getting around to it.

[@mmsibi]

Or not

[@laurienickless5564]

The Chinese attempted to establish an iron mining colony in Missouri's St. Francois Mts. in 1433-34. It failed. Read TO THE GATES OF FENGTU, the recently translated account of the Chinese expedition to America.

[@Cyrus992]

@@laurienickless5564 wow

[@republicofkoreaball4349]

Not the Arabians or Japanese probably. But definitely the Russians or the Chinese. Russia wanted to expand eastward, and could have cross the Bering Strait, like they did in history. China would definently if they actually became more open minded.

[@kremenamicheva1220]

You absolutely rock!!! Thank you!

[@nickpatterson492]

I LUV THE WHOLE THEME OF WHAT COULD HAVE IT BEEN LIKE A ALTERNATE HISTORY THING

[@coachmadprophet]

Could you please do a video on Dr. Kevorkian?

[@pacoheineck5565]

Crazy how we didn't hear the word genocide enough in middle school and high school. I heard it more towards the end of high school and start of uni, but I also think that had to do with people becoming more aware of how our educations system lacks in the history department with what actually happened during colonization. I grew up in Canada so I'm not sure what it's like in the US, but that's just from my experience

[@nicolasmercalo]

🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯

[@bryansansone3301]

Genocide and racism are two words only recently invented. History has winners and losers. If Native Americans had had the knowledge needed to conquer China, Europe, wherever; they would have. I'm sick of people acting like a bunch of child-sacrificing cannibal murderers were the original hippies living in harmony.

[@shaharbarnett]

So no European but somehow there are horses (6:40), whoever made the animation made a huge mistake

[@MS-kn2lw]

Traveler I love the most is Ibn Batutta He travel to other place without bringing destruction And not going by Army but just himself

[@generalmccornflaxbo2547]

Is anyone else going completely insane when they show an Native on a horse in a timeline without European colonization?

[@analiafirpo5192]

Columbus landed in the Dominican Republic. The first colony is now called Villa Isabela, named after Queen Isabella. This is important because the Taino genocide is rarely acknowledged. It’s important we don’t ignore these indigenous people that contrary to belief are still here today

[@alexandermclaughlin4742]

As a 30 year old Native American I've always asked my elders and cousins this question and this sounded pretty similar 😁 really glad my culture and people are picking up traction outside the USA.

[@dracomadness792]

It is pretty hard to grasp the idea if Europeans colonizers didn’t come over to us. I always think about the super powers that some of our ancestors would’ve created. I know for sure my tribe the Choctaw people would have been a trading center for sure

[@Dock284]

Canadians who keep apologizing to indigenous peoples: bruh

[@colonelpanic7865]

@@dracomadness792 It's fun to play pretend, isn't it?

[@dracomadness792]

@@colonelpanic7865 It’s interesting to think about. I don’t let it consume me though like some others. I know some problem who all they think about is if Columbus didn’t cross the see and how great they be. I always laugh cause they were part of a super small tribe and would’ve been squashed by the bigger ones 🤣

[@Anmol_Singh.10]

Respect from India. There are very few of you left, native culture should be promoted more. Why are you called Indians as far as we know, you had no association with India.

[@samkinzie4270]

You should do another episode about the same alternate history but from a European/Asian/African/perspective

[@7spidersofhh]

i wonder what europe asia and africa would look like in this world where there was no 'new world' for Europe to send all their pilgrims to

[@Lee-hq6tf]

It would look like the rest of the third world, and nobody alive today, would be!!!

[@theguywhoasked6725]

So sad that the natives survive

[@rolanddeschain9880]

Wtf

[@BungieStudios]

Right? 😂

[@John2r1]

Um Native Americans fought wars with each other at different point in their history. The ideal that Native Americans where a peaceful hippie culture is a myth to say the least. Second thing the concept of discovery is to find something new and sending word back. So he was the first European to find the region and tell others back in Europe. Oh and the ideal that the Iroquois Confederacy could just walk over the other tribes in the South just because the Mississippan tribes union has issues is funny and inaccurate. Because your forgetting about Cherokee Nation which at the time controlled eight present-day southeastern states: North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia, and Alabama. They where not part of the Mississippan tribes. And would defend their territory as was usual at the time.

[@Asterius2384]

In amazon rain forest had a ancient city that called "kuhikugu" in your Peak had 50.000 habitants, others civilizations was the marajoaras end tapajônicos.

[@NashvilleDrumCoach]

Also makes you wonder if things like electricity or a type of gunpowder explosive would have ever been discovered.

[@HuplesCat]

China invented gun powder

[@Suruptious]

If we're talking the first European to land in the United States, I'd say that credit goes to Ponce de Leon since he landed in Florida.

[@melon_m2100]

Jack sparow

[@rogerroger9960]

you say "death" came to the Americas like these tribes weren't eating and killing each other long before we came here. fact is, these tribes were far too primitive to last long term.

[@mmsibi]

You were there eh?

[@rogerroger9960]

@@mmsibi by that logic, none of us can know anything about history. 😂 War and death knew the Western world LONG before the Europeans came here bub. The whole thought process that the Americas was the peaceful land before Europeans is trash history.

[@kingofgamez_9695]

Wow like Europeans weren’t doing the same during that time and during medevil times, that’s laughable you sound like a huge hypocrite my man. These people were in the Americas for 20k years and while isolated from Asia africa and europe they were able to advance in medicine agriculture architecture art and math astronomy 🔭 that’s something to be proud of

[@TeshiKyoshi]

How do you discover something that's there already?

[@republicofkoreaball4349]

Oh my god! So that means we never discovered Pluto! Or Mars. BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY THERE.

[@DestroyerGaming-po9ss]

infographics should do a what if about the Vikings