What if Dogs Ruled the World?

This is my first full length analysis video of how we can predict a future of intelligent animals. Speculative evolution is a big passion for me, so if you guys have any cool ideas for future videos let me know in the comments.
I think I should reference the scholarly articles I read for this video essay, but I’ll just leave them in the comments when I have time😅
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[@gamemacatron7512]

Dude I really see potential in this becoming a full blown series where you explore the possibilities of various different types of animals becoming sentient, some potential case studies in the future could be -Cats, Obviously -Chimps and Orangutans, cause of the planet of the apes movies -Reptiles like monitor lizards snakes or turtles -Ants -Birds like corvids, pigeons or parrots -Elephants' -Rats, cause of movies like the secret of nimh -Farm animals like Pigs or horses, I wonder if they could survive without us -Octopi -cetaceans like humpback whales, dolphins and orcas I really look forward to your future content and I also really like your art style 👍

[@cas3yarttv]

Thanks so much for the ideas!!

[@volvagianintendo6465]

Also, I eke to this list some kinds of the taxonomic superfamily Lemuroidea (the lemurs). I also eke to this list the possibility of making such speculations in speculative alternative evolutionary biology timelines. One such alternative history is my alternative history of Madagascar where there's a sophont subfamily of metatarsigrade hominin-like lemurs that built sundry societies since earlier than mankind.

[@obnoxious_efe420]

Yes yes yes

[@Marylandbrony]

@@cas3yarttv Dolphins would be a great one.

[@doohickeyhandy758]

@@cas3yarttv Bears. They share quite a few traits with humans but i feel like it'd be interesting depending on which you go with even if pandas probably take the L here unless it happens before they fully shift into their niche (or if humans deliberately try to INVOKE this)

[@Imtherealtinzel]

Hmmmmm i think this video is about dogs

[@cas3yarttv]

Perhapsss🤔

[@terrimama2174]

​@@cas3yarttv hi captain can you do Kamen rider character as your species being oc

[@Mythical.1212]

Really I thought it was about dolphins.

[@ximenasorondo2051]

I’m not sure about that. It might be about dolphins

[@ximenasorondo2051]

Yeah it’s defenetly dolphins.

[@Barakon]

I like to think that parrots could become the new sapient creature on the block.

[@prasetyodwikuncorojati2434]

Just hope they're not creating mess toward entire earth like what homo sapiens does

[@matthewcaffee2125]

parrots maybe, but consider CROWS, they can use rocks as tools and share that info cross generations, can talk like parrots too just not as a trick but when they personally choose too

[@Barakon]

@@matthewcaffee2125 nevermore

[@DerpDerp3001]

@@matthewcaffee2125 The advantage the parrots have over crows: more manipulators.

[@matthewcaffee2125]

@@DerpDerp3001 parrots can manipulate sure, but crows dont need it bc they can get a whole flock to *remember your face* and fuck you up

[@justblue974]

Man I love possible futures and theories on how they would evolve and grow with bits of lore.

[@cas3yarttv]

Eeee me too! That’s why I have a load of these videos ready to post haha

[@justblue974]

​@cas3yarttv well, I can't wait to see them. Also keep up the great work. Also love you art style.

[@jonathanhammer8656]

It’s the planet of the dogs.

[@cas3yarttv]

Dear god🗽☢️🐵

[@JwolfAj2009]

Get ready for the apocalypse

[@jameslamb1654]

@cas3yarttv no it's dear dog

[@StarlightReactor]

> starts with bluey, ends with green dogs controlling cancer-based flesh amalgams ❤ amazing video, also gives me inspiration for a horizon zero dawn-type game with these dogs living in the aftermath of some distant apocalypse

[@cas3yarttv]

My dream game hahaha

[@acemcwolf5445]

I think there was a game like that called "Biomutant". Apparently, It sucked ass.

[@anon9579]

That’d be awsome

[@AymarMaluenda]

This should be the backstory to a horror game a la Stray where you seek to save dog societat from the corrupting pulsing mass of Dog Cancer Clone Slaves

[@cas3yarttv]

😂I just got my gf to start Stray, cancer monsters instead of zurks?? It fits too well

[@jennyfeare1702]

Seeing this series of shorts grow into a full, legit video is cool, ya should totally do the same for those humans evolved on various bodies of our solar system, after like, mars is finally covered ofc... and maybe the realistic kaiju series too!

[@cas3yarttv]

Thanks so much!! I’d love to do all the big hard science fiction concepts as full length videos

[@mann_man8556]

The only issue I have is that the dogs are bipedal like humans. What I mean is that I don’t think they would stand vertically like people but instead maybe they would stand more with their back being horizontal like theropods. If they did, it think they would likely lose their tails or have it really short because they wouldn’t need it for balance.

[@cas3yarttv]

I love this and I think about this a lot when it comes to new animals who are sentient, I don’t like anthropomorphising them. However, in this specific case, I tried to think, “how do they use tools?” And when I learned they had a similar niche as otters, a tool using mammal, I thought they may stand like otters sometimes, not all the time. You MIGHT see that hunched form with mustelids like weasels and ferrets

[@GuukanKitsune]

No. They wouldn't. They'd end up upright for the same reason we did: to better support the weight of their increasing brain mass and skull size by placing the spine directly under it like a post. This would be true of any former quadruped as it gains intelligence... if they remained horizontal to any degree they would be supporting their brain weight by muscle power and working against physics, eating up far too much oxygen and nutrients in the process to support an increasingly intelligent brain. Even the intelligent bipedal dinos like Troodon were starting to go erect when the extinction event happened. For similar reasons, no bipedal intelligent animal would stay digitigrade, either: they would need a locking knee/cushioning heel mechanism to better support the brain and the body weight on two legs without having to do so purely through muscle power the way digitigrade legs do and burning precious calories and oxygen their think meat needs in spades. This isn't a problem in quadrupedal nonsentient creatures because their brains are a lot lighter and require much less resources, making muscle power pure a viable arrangement when it's not having to send like... 70-80% of its oxygen and nutrients to the anxiety goop in the skull. So plantigrade would be the result. They also would likely retain their tails vestigially for the same reason humans still have toes: we don't strictly NEED them anymore but they are still beneficial to have and useful. That little bit of extra balance control would make these dog people VERY agile pursuit predators... more so even than us. And since canidae are primarily roving pursuit predators and likely to remain so as they develop I to intelligence, those tails WILL see use throughout even their higher existance.

[@volvagianintendo6465]

@@cas3yarttv, also, for all mammals that don't have a trunk like that of an elephant; upright twofeetedness and at least 2 hands with an opposable thumb are mandatory conditions to get when evolving sophonce. Almost all the primates already have nimble hands with an opposable thumb and are already very social, so that's why they themselves are the most likely to evolve sophonce amongst all the mammals, even more so when bearing in mind that all hominins (kinds belonging to the taxonomic subtribe Hominina) are primates.

[@fabriziobiancucci7702]

Actually it is unlikely, since the horizontal position of theropods was due to their caudiofemural muscles and their powerful tail. Without it is impossible to mantain the balance. So a vertical posture is more likely because for us mammals the locomotion works different than for dinosaurs

[@volvagianintendo6465]

Thou'rt wholly right, @@fabriziobiancucci7702!

[@plagueofmoths]

Besides the painful misunderstanding of how cancer works this is an incredibly endearing and beautiful worldbuilding project and i love how its utilized things as small as gutbiome to determine how the future may be changed

[@Dotexclamationmark]

Good god this was fasinating, i love how everything had a logical explanation too it from the known to the speculative. Truly good stuff, would love too see more!

[@cas3yarttv]

Aw thank you so much!!

[@DepressedPlatypus]

I love this so much, i would love to see a video about a world where a extinct animal didn't go extinct or a video about your real life kaiju! Your awesome Casey!

[@cas3yarttv]

Oh that’s a great idea

[@DepressedPlatypus]

@@cas3yarttv T-Rex didn't become chicken, it became that world's version of a dog!

[@prasetyodwikuncorojati2434]

@@cas3yarttv Maybe this that will happened if homo sapiens never developed: perhaps ground sloth finally will reaching Eurasia via Beringian land bridge, thylacine and othet Australian recent extinct animals will continue to exist for several million years later until their isolated continent marching toward Asia and in the process hitting Indonesian Archipelago bringing them toward contact with Asian fauna that might be causing extinction for some Australian creatures. That just some idea

[@leongliyang6946]

In the future , earth turn into Zootopia 😂😂😂

[@hariman7727]

Or Beastars.

[@eagleray977]

I went, "Yeah, that's called Bluey" before I clicked on the video, and it's the first thing I see 💀

[@cas3yarttv]

😂I thought the same thing hahaha

[@DJ-ec4jk]

i find it so funny how at the end it was like, ye this makes senses, but then just suddendly they have giant glowing cities of light and cancer horses

[@maxzapsgamingzepzeap2337]

Man this is an entirely different vibe from your TikTok and I’m loving it

[@Olleh-264]

I want a series of animals gaining sentient

[@cas3yarttv]

Guess what I got

[@Olleh-264]

@@cas3yarttv animals getting sentients!

[@jktech2117]

non-human animals as re sentient... well at least many that we have direct contact. what human says abt they not being sentient is wrong bcuz humans are either proud or just dont understand the communication of others. but gladly theres many scientific studies proving many species are sentient and even self aware, and that is aware of death. gosh even flies gets traumatized and live less by seeing many other dead flies in same place... FLIES WITH PTSD!!!!!

[@Olleh-264]

@@jktech2117 sorry if my word “sentient" was a very poor and loose definition what I ment to say was actually cognition like myths legend maths technology advancement like wheels and stuff and also I am not ignoring that otters and monkeys have shown tool use and some monkeys even trade with humans. otherwise I 100% agree with all that you have said and adding that just because we have some plus point doesn't make us smart and other animals are smarter than us in certain areas like dogs with their smell and elephant with sensing vibrations and it has been shown that whale elephant orcas etc have a form of communication calls.

[@jktech2117]

@@Olleh-264 many species communicate and is pretty impressing, my favorite one in this aspect being the crow, they can understand humans and canines really well.. the fact they have a sort of interspecie communication beyond their just own specie shows they are much more social than humans that are able to understand the language of one specie most of time. but yeah, a series of other species evolution would be really fun to watch, i liked the idea of cancer tech of dogs XD one cool part to explore are reptiles since they dont have as strong emotions as mammals and seeing a colder society and development is interesting, maybe they would advance faster due to feelings not getting in the way of logic but they might be quite bad for non-reptile species due to they not understanding emotions so much.

[@obnoxious_efe420]

3:04 insert snoop daug joke

[@tyreewadsworth1593]

I think your the first speculative biologist to talk more about how intelligence would arise. I really liked this video

[@cas3yarttv]

Thanks! You can’t just throw it in them haha they have to become sentient by accident, and it has to benefit them

[@danielsenft5068]

absolutely brilliant video

[@cas3yarttv]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@shanevinzant6935]

Remember this topic being on jaiden animations random thoughts video

[@tyrannicproductions]

I LOVE this! I'd go insane over pretty much every Speculative Evolution video you make from your drawings (mainly because I already do.)

[@cas3yarttv]

🤣thank you!! I’ll be sure to post more long ones then!

[@reaperrex3055]

I like to think that if jumping spiders were isolated somewhere they could evolve to become smarter than they already are.

[@cas3yarttv]

There’s a book like this! It’s called children of time, you will thoroughly enjoy it

[@reaperrex3055]

@@cas3yarttv ooo I will make sure to check it out

[@orionfreire3288]

Yessss i already enjoyed your TikToks, i really wished they were a lot longer. Please keep doing theseee

[@alexpeterson1138]

Yeah these are really fun ideas and would love to see more

[@Willfaffle]

PLEASE do more. I love this so

[@kevinabiwardani7550]

Love the biopunk aesthetic. This is almost looks like Spore when you started on animal stage, and ended up on tribal. Though we must remember that technology and culture can go very different from our own.

[@leonardovigilatodemorais7280]

this is amazing! i love your videos over on titktok, aswell as how you aren't afraid of getting more SPECULATIVE when doing these projects! one thing i don't know if you'd be willing to do, but would be awesome if you did, would be making videos explaining the biology on some super powers maybe? maybe you take pre-existing superheroes, or you could make your own (which would be even cooler! and would allow you to possibly give a unified origin to the arisal of superpowers, if you wanted to that is obviously) and explain their biology, how their powers function, what structures are needed for them to work, etc

[@Calmer4906]

Nice work, I would love to see more of your speculative work

[@kingkurok3149]

Omg yes give us more, the world needs more cool speculative evolution lore vids, and you got some of the coolest concepts to date

[@cas3yarttv]

I have more to tell! Thanks for the encouragement ✨

[@jennyfeare1702]

Only real flaw is the dated name of "wild dogs" which has some bad implications in the past, it's been lately changed to painted dogs and even painted wolves as wild dogs makes them sound like a pest. Aside from that and mixing sentience (something they already are) with sapience, still a really great and fun creative video~!!

[@cas3yarttv]

Thanks so much! Yea I never thought that name sounded very scientific😅thanks for the feedback!

[@jennyfeare1702]

African *Painted* Wolf or Dog 100% is such a better and best-describing name of 'em sneezy voters!

[@unknowngojira742]

Bro i love it when a video goes deep into the thought of what if another animal evolved like humans. like there was this one about isolating birds on a moon in our solar system after it was terraformed by humans, and the birds evolved until eventually having cultures and tribes. It was awesome

[@bwolff7364]

I mess with this. Subscribed and looking forward to your next world building/ spec fiction/ sci Fi projects

[@joshuahaynes5604]

I stumbled on this like "Casey does long form speculative biology content!?" Subscribed!

[@cas3yarttv]

THANK YOUUU❤

[@A3319]

Didnt go where I expected, veru cool ideas

[@MrTunesMedia]

I love this type of content!!!!!

[@cas3yarttv]

Eeeee me too😊

[@EvstersYT]

Please upload your other videos about how other animals or plants would evolve, and your if humans evolved on different planets series i love those!

[@jaysonklein6018]

I'd like to see more speculative evolution vids from you.

[@scmc5431]

Great job! You really should startup a podcast! I'd definitely study/sleep to this!

[@zachbohemian]

I wanna see the dogs throughout the ages, you can literally make a book outta this

[@mckinzieloomis3303]

dude, this is amazing. if you do another one like this, i suggest you look into cats, and especially look into warrior cats and how they not only would evolve, but also advance as a society.

[@cas3yarttv]

My little brother loves the warrior seeies

[@2MKcreations]

I would love to see a full graphic novel based on your world-building concept!

[@AtomicConvoy]

This would be great as a series🤩🤩🤩

[@cas3yarttv]

Guess what I got for ya😏🎨a series haha

[@AtomicConvoy]

@@cas3yarttv 🤩🤩👏🤩

[@zafirsimmons-jones3284]

I love this so much im new to your videos but i already love them i would love to see more with these animals taking over after the end of humanity.

[@mysticalteration498]

I love these videos!

[@cas3yarttv]

Thank you!

[@zachwilson768]

Am I watching tierzoo? This was so captivating. The combination of speculation and facts is extremely interesting, I would love to see more. I once tried to speculate the development of an avian civilization, but didn’t go into nearly as much research.

[@cas3yarttv]

That’s my secret, Cap- I always go way too deep into spec evo 😂

[@Demonskunk]

This is extremely dope and I kinda want to write a tabletop rpg setting around it.

[@lizyfoxXD]

Cool! I wonder if i can make Oc's of your species? Bc i wanted to😢

[@dapple33]

This is some great world building. I see something like a comic series in which the reader explores this old/new world of intelligent dogs and their society.

[@dominicormiston2755]

I am pondering over how and where you learned about ctvt in dogs because I have passed a veterinary class from a vocational school and never even heard about such an exotic concept. I have known that canines ( especially golden retrievers and boxers) are extremely prone to cancer, but never understood the why this is the case. Now I know, and it turns out that this cancer has multiple possibilities of transfer between dogs like either simply mating or contact with contaminated saliva i think.

[@_shadow_1]

You could do multiple parts on some of these thought experiments with continuations following the development a species either to their own extinction or technological apex.

[@awedelen1]

What an interesting thought experiment 🤓👍🏼

[@abbycollins4820]

This is so cool!

[@felixirwin8100]

More would pretty cool😅

[@leejerrett8268]

I really wasn’t expecting a shoggoth to show up.

[@PhilosoShysGameChannel]

Love this so much it's difficult to quantify! More please! ^///^

[@kaioh-pangolin6566]

I do really enjoy videos like this A+ Casey, A+

[@Skyypixelgamer]

Great video! I love bush dogs so this is a very interesting video to me. Though I do have an alternative canid to suggest that could be used in this hypothetical aswell, the dhole. It’s a very ancient species that had seen success in many areas such as Eurasia and North America. They are more social then wolves and have a very complex vocalizations and have different whistles and yaps for different situations nearing . And some how their body language is just as complex. They aren’t super territorial to outsiders compared to wolves so a member from another clan can join their non birth clan more easily than wolves. These clans can get pretty large at 5-40 members and multiple breeding females. Dholes hunting strategy is similar to bush dogs were they will occasionally trap prey near water then pull it down by the flanks. My last point is that dholes will actually live along side other canids such as Indian wolves or golden jackals. While these are infrequent they still occur. Edit: so I just rewatched and realized you mentioned the dhole.

[@cas3yarttv]

😂I love the last note right after the expo on dholes hahah they’re so cool!! I had to reference them, as they are so intelligent and different, but I ended up with the bushdogs mostly because of their lifestyle analogous to otters, who have tool construction capacity. If I went with dholes, I might have seen them use sticks more like crows

[@Marylandbrony]

Can you do Sapient Dolphins next?

[@romance6933]

I would like a Part Two about the pre-contact humans and how the dogs domesticated and bred humans to be dogs best Friend

[@karathompson1522]

I need more of this

[@Alien_Evolution]

Actually an awesome video, very good

[@adamverstegen2761]

Yooooo, alien evolution?! Suppppp

[@Alien_Evolution]

@@adamverstegen2761 yoooo this might be the first time I've been 'recognized' on youtube

[@cas3yarttv]

THANK YOU!! I’ve literally been waiting for a day where I can sit down and binge your videos, thanks for the love🎉

[@RavenEnfield]

I've become invested now... I need a series of these green dogs

[@calebditch8648]

Can we see an animated series or movie on this? This is so good, and the drawings are very nice ❤😮 I wish it would be real or again a movie/series be made of it😢

[@cas3yarttv]

lol those would be cool😂I’d sell this idea 1000%

[@calebditch8648]

@cas3yarttv really!! You know I am a creator who is just learning animation and plan on self publishing a comic pilot for people to see, maybe we can meet up someday and work on this story of yours together, ah who am I kidding I'm pushing the gun there. Well, either way, as a fellow creator trying to share my stories with the world, if you make a series, movie, or even comics of this storyline and more, you'll have my full support 😀

[@9mmdose]

now do a "what If cats ruled the world", it'd be really fun to watch

[@Obsessive_cartoon_drawer]

This is awesome

[@joshuagonzalez4183]

subbed!

[@theluminousone5883]

Is this idea going to become a book or a game or something. Is it open source (aka free to distribute and modify?) Because this is way too good.

[@cas3yarttv]

Aw thanks! So far it’s just my idea haha but it’s fun to draw out and think about!

[@susanbersee1621]

Cool! -Michael Bersee

[@rockstarthedragon1195]

I love this kind of stuff! I began a similar project with dragons

[@yetialive10]

Please do more

[@ozmasterofmasks5838]

i refuse to believe in such a grimm future for a world ruled by good boys and girls

[@beowulfopsahl7118]

i like this, if your still reading these, make it allowed to grow into a whole world, and sell a book on it!

[@cas3yarttv]

Ooh dang I’d be cool with that

[@Kingkonga200]

Can you make a crossover with this concept and your recent version of the Planet of The Apes? Would the physically, and intellectually evolved macaques be able to coexist with their canine counterparts should they ever cross paths between the wide expansion of Japan and South America? Will they combine their social structures and live harmoniously or would they find war with each other as rival mammals and take up arms against each other like this Monkey v. s. Dog trend? This is truly an interesting thought if you’d like to think about it.

[@Cyberus1000]

Yeah this is super cool.

[@NyoomMonster]

I like this a lot X3

[@TroyTheCatFish]

Amazing Video 🤩

[@cas3yarttv]

Thanks so much!!

[@TroyTheCatFish]

@@cas3yarttv you’re welcome 😉

[@thenerdbeast7375]

The dogs: make homonculi they control out of cancerous cells Me: That escalated quickly.

[@nyxie_wolf]

Before I even watch this video. You should do a video about birds ruling the world as well!

[@nyxie_wolf]

Okay after watching first of this was awesome second I stand by what I said!

[@deadheat1635]

This could be a tv show!

[@AlyFreiheit98]

Just ready "what if dog ruled the world" and needed to share my love for the book City by Simak. Dog ruling the world Is a small part of the book but i so so so recomend that book!

[@Mammalmage]

I would love to hear more. Do you think a race of intelligent deer would be possible?

[@cas3yarttv]

Ooh I can’t wait to post a longer version of my intelligent deer video

[@Littlekoji-df1cf]

Omg i love this!!!

[@cas3yarttv]

THANK YOU!

[@samanthabronder9861]

if your passion is speucltive evoltion im hopign for lots of full video and other types liek alternate scnario in earth hisotry and mabye seedwwolrd if given the chnace hope for more

[@stevemaherart]

I think you’ve described the prehistory of Bluey, the dog cancer cells are bluey characters

[@capacraft2735]

This video is the modern equivalent of the last thing you'd want in your Burger King burger is someone else's foot fungus. I saw the video thought, "I might watch this" then heard you say, "in the tv show bluey," in such a monototne voice while it zoomed out on a still image and it hit me like a truck.

[@katrinamarsh8691]

You should do this video but with cats

[@KennethV2000]

I would love a graphic novel comic series of these evolved Doggo species and buy it so badly! I would pay $100 for this interesting alternate universe graphic novel series come to life and read it forever. Maybe one day ❤

[@cas3yarttv]

No kidding😳THATS SO NICE! Thank you so much! lol I should play these out on my Patreon or something?

[@mattsmocs3281]

Man wait till those dogs find the Vaul-Tec bunker and learn about human civilization and their weapons.

[@garlikbred6474]

How did we go from green doggies to cancer mutants 💀

[@dg7815]

Yes this video is cool

[@Steeltael]

I for one welcome our future canine overlords.

[@Rin-qj7zt]

sentience isn't on or off. it's a gradient based on the union of two components: how much information about the beings environment the being can be aware of, and how much of the environment the being can manipulate if given the proper tools to do so. that's it. logical reasoning is built on those two things. it baffles me how people struggle to understand free will and even go as far as to question if it actually exists. it makes me think most people just don't like to think about it for too long, because the answer is incredibly simple. It just leads to some unexpected conclusions. namely, just because you are being manipulated doesn't mean you've been robbed of free will, and you can have more free will than that of other beings and even other people.

[@vincentgirgenti6033]

Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes please more this is so awesome

[@cas3yarttv]

Eeeeeeeee thank youuuuuuu

[@TheWaterdog6]

Are we just gonna ignore this guy jumped from "They will likely not have much metal smithing skills" and then immediately jumps from "They will have lots of cancer and can smell it" then to "And they will be able to shape this abundance of cancer into shapes and things, eventually making clones, and then the clones will become self aware and overthrow society" like that is a plausible argument?

[@Monsterdrool]

Dude it would be cool to see you research pigs in the same way!~

[@tzeccentric7848]

Bluey: *gets a video of scientific explanation* Me: "Yay!" Also _Science of Bluey_ video: *ends in a **_skynet_** like scenario* Me: "NNNOOOOO!!!"

[@conradzahourek]

it would be cool the see what also happen to the Capuchin monkies during the whole savannah event.

[@cas3yarttv]

I always look at previous spec evo work- in Future is Wild they have the social and fishing Babookari(evolved from uakari), while Life After People suggests capuchins use skyscrapers as aviaries to eat bird eggs, and Douglas Dixon’s closest example I think is the Khiffah

[@sirseacow4514]

That looks like it was a blast. Perhaps I'll have to reinstall Gmod

[@elyasdezendorf374]

Frankly, I love the cancer cell idea, but I doubt it would pan out like that scientifically speaking. I'd expect they'd more easily develop a natural adhesive or their architectural prowess would progress far faster than the selective breeding of cancer cells-- if one could even do that successfully, considering that tumors regularly fight each other, and die rather quickly outside of the body without laboratory conditions exceeding those of the 1950s and beyond. Outside of the higher primates, I'd expect elephants and corvids to develop sapience, considering that they have both large brains, tactile manipulators, tool use, some basic artistic/social intelligence, and the potential to control fire. As for cephlapods/cetaceans, creating industry or even civilization without fire would be fascinating but unlikely.

[@cas3yarttv]

I love this comment✨realistically organic material tech that is maybe adjacent to how cancer works would be more reliable than literally breeding generations of pet mutant cancer cells, perhaps a more advanced version of the organoid research we have today(really interesting artificial brains) There is natural tar pits at the northeast end of S America, that could be used for pitch on watercraft, or later asphalt. There’s also a huge rubber tree population there that could help their initial industry. But farming that may become detrimental to their ecosystem, and raising “cancer” farms might be a “greener”(teehee) option… but again it’s like super speculative haha Thank you for the inspiration! (I love thinking underwater sapients will use pyrite)