What IF Dynasty Warriors 10 is Developed like Samurai Warriors 5?

Hello people, today we discuss what Dynasty Warriors 10 could look like if developed like Samurai Warriors 5. Could it be a revamp of characters and move sets, roster cuts, more in-depth and focused story? We discuss all of that and more in this video where I predict the unpredictable for Koei Tecmo's Dynasty Warriors 10.
Intro: 0:00 - 1:32
Modern Warriors Games: 1:34 - 4:15
Recent Koei Games, Focus & Profit: 4:25 - 7:20
Story: 7:21 - 12:10
Combat & Gameplay: 12:11 - 14:28
Better Days: 14:30 - 15:28
Warriors Orochi 5: 15:29 - 16:50
Outro: 16:52 - 18:00
I know rumors and supposed details have been released as to what Dynasty Warriors 10 will be like. I will believe it when I see it, until then let's just throw some ideas out there.
The Reshade.me app was used for most DW9 footage in this video. I tried to replicate the Samurai Warriors 5 cell-shade as much as possible for the sake of video comparison. (reshade.me)
Thanks again for watching, more Warriors and gaming content to come so if you are new here welcome, hope to see you around!

[@smileyday]

Intro: 0:00 - 1:32 Modern Warriors Games: 1:34 - 4:15 Recent Koei Games, Focus & Profit: 4:25 - 7:20 Story: 7:21 - 12:10 Combat & Gameplay: 12:11 - 14:28 Better Days to Come: 14:30 - 15:28 Warriors Orochi 5: 15:29 - 16:50 Outro: 16:52 - 18:00

[@moomanchu608]

Feels like DW8CE and SW4 were their peak and then they didn’t know what to do next. There is nothing wrong with wanting to evolve a franchise, but they need to take what worked from previous games and at least meet those standards

[@smileyday]

Yeah both were solid, it’s wild that those games are already 5 years old… I don’t know if I see them going back. But if they do it would be a smart approach based off consistency alone with those two titles.

[@mavielor7394]

nah, the peak was dynasty warriors 5. Youre tweaking

[@BlueCourville]

Dynasty warriors 8 is the best selling game of the franchise ​@mavielor7394

[@daystar1799]

@@smileyday Lol SW 4 is 10 years old and DW8CE is 11 years old. Let that sink in

[@8Smoker8]

They where NOWHERE NEAR the peak lol. But it did get worse afterwards I guess.

[@Raeed212]

WO5 is the only reason why DW10 should be like SW5

[@EzGrimzz]

i grow up playing a heck ton of dynasty warrior 5 and 6 as a child, i also play dw 8 xl few year ago but only the main story, and i haven't played dw9 or 7 or any samurai warrior game, BUT!!!! yesterday i just started samurai warrior 5 and its blown my mind is that koei adding this tiny detail that i ALWAYS dreamed on when playing dw5 and 6, and i think it's a war crime if koei didn't add this on LITERALLY upcoming dynasty warrior or samurai warrior games

[@smileyday]

Good to hear! Glad you were able to try out SW it’s a great series, the combat in 5 is well rounded as well.

[@justiceblade6550]

I really liked Wo long can't say the same for DW9 & SW5 lots of flaws when you compare those two too DW8 & SW4 but i hope DW10 will do justice to the series

[@smileyday]

Well said, respect the standard you set. Here's to a polished future warriors game🤞

[@gorofujita5767]

Roster cuts would be a god send if that meant having each of the playable characters oozing with character insofar as their martial arts, moves, spacials and other trickery is concerned. To be honest, I literally do not get people how want a huge roster of clones. I'd much rather have koei go the route of Sengoku Basara, and include only like a 1/4th of the characters they currently include, and revemping the fighting system, making it meatier and much more intricate

[@monaeblackeaglequeen8974]

AWWWE HELL NAW DW10 NEEDS TO BE LIKE DYNASTY WARRIORS 8!! they need all unique weapons chille ill cry

[@smileyday]

😂😂😂 you know Koei loves cloning movesets… but I wouldn’t mind if it was more like DW8 honestly!

[@sainlovesluppi487]

Yeah from what all Suzuki has said over the years it doesn't sound like he would with the series his already said he won't cut roster anymore since people didn''t like that.

[@ZorchEntertainment]

Sadly, I agree with you. Better Dynasty Warriors days are behind us😔. Honestly, after DW10 (if it does not change and blow us away) I would like them to go back and start over. Remaster the older games. This should take significantly less time. You could then provide longer time to your developers to put out a better quality Dynasty Warriors game in the future. One that, hopefully, would bring us all back to the glory days.

[@smileyday]

I've been wanting to see remakes of the classics for awhile now.. Even if it's just an HD collection ported to Steam like you said it would not be that difficult to make it's just hard to tell since they've never really remade any of the previous DW games.

[@ZorchEntertainment]

@@smileyday Indeed. I feel like its an avenue they need to explore though. There are many of us hardcore DW fan's that would buy them up.

[@smileyday]

@@ZorchEntertainment it would be an easy cash grab for Koei!

[@MazoHead]

it would be nice to have samurai warriors 3 z, 3 empires and warriors orochi z in english at last

[@smileyday]

@@MazoHead Couldn't agree more. Warriors Orochi Z should easily get a Steam Port at least.. kinda like how WO3UDE did recently. Samurai Warriors 3Z might be the best all around SW game IMO but of course no English adaptation.

[@conradojavier7547]

the 3 Kingdoms Novel is more of a Rivalry Between Shu & Wei, while Wu is a Minor Character.

[@spencer4514]

I've played through samurai warriors 5 and I liked it (Granted it was my first samurai warriors game). I've been playing 9 and 9 empires as well. I enjoy them for what it's worth. If Dw 10 is made like sw5, I'd be curious at least to see how it would go

[@smileyday]

That’s awesome, welcome to the TK family! I’m glad I mentioned newcomers liking the newer games, but it’s all about personally preference with these games. I would be curious as well, and it’s not crazy to think DW10 would be like the 3 games you mentioned since they are the most recent releases.

[@Darksin111]

I know this would never happen, but as a big warcraft fan I feel there could be potential for a musou game in that universe. However I know blizzard wouldn't share that ip with koei

[@smileyday]

True… EA shared an IP with Koei but looked how that turned out😂

[@SKRUNKLES]

I think they should try scaling back, back to 4/5 in termsof how flashy our attacks are, or just remaster those and see how they sell before making 10.

[@Demonic-jr9qr]

I actually genuinely like DW9, and I've played every mainline Dynasty Warriors game since 3. But IF they give 10 the SW5 treatment, I won't be buying it, especially if it focuses on Shu's story, my least favorite kingdom.

[@sararapotata]

It took me 3 tries to like and enjoy playing dw9; I played it in 2018 and obviously I was trying to accept all the changes they did. And then returned to it in 2020 and I couldn’t enjoy it at all. Then this year I replayed dw8 on the switch and made me think that maybe I should give dw9 one last chance and I’m so glad I did that

[@Juinor]

you forgot to add one more thing: In the future, they will now charge more money for you to unlock each characters. each characters will be now a DLC.

[@smileyday]

That would be brutal!

[@historian252]

1) In DW 10 cut all of the useless characters who don't matter much like the majority of the Guan children. Add in their place Shu generals who had an actual influence on the story. 2) Focus the story from the Yellow Turban Rebellion to either Liu Bei's death or to Zhuge Liang's death. Then make a sequel game that will take place after the ending of the previous one and conclude the story with the Fall of Wu.

[@AkagiRedSun]

SW5 did it but in a poor way. They should’ve just call that title spirit of Nobunaga instead of number title

[@smileyday]

Instead if the Guans maybe the likes of Liao Hua or Shamoke someone accurate that influenced the kingdom

[@historian252]

@@smileyday Shamoke wasn't really important in history. I would rather have Wang Ping, Liao Hua, Zhang Yi, & Zhang Ni

[@MapleLoopCat]

personally for a long time i always wondered how a orochi empires would be like which would be interesting. Personally i feel 9 could of not been a numbered title but it's own thing like godseekers i don't mind the cel shaded stuff while i do prefer the designs I do kind of want a overseas release of samurai warriors 3 empires. I am all for experimentation.

[@lazycouchman]

Awesome video! I hadn't thought about it until watching your video, but I'd actually be happy if they changed the game's whole combat system. They could do a more focused game like you said and maybe expand the depth of characters move sets into a more character action game style. But if not, I just hope they make the next game a little more difficult cause the more recent ones have been far too easy. Have less dudes onscreen at once. I'm kind of down for whatever as long they don't do the same fighting system from 9. I can find the fun in most of their games, but I worry what they do next will be another bad game lol

[@smileyday]

Thanks! And I agree with that well focused game could be beneficial, but I agree I can pretty much play all of them but often times have to be in a certain mood to play DW9 lol it was okay… just not for everybody

[@saika.magoichi.214]

if we even get a dw10 I think the only way to save the series would be to do a complete re-imagination of all characters, battles ect. the story should also be completely redone in a way that tries to bring more realism from the romance of the 3 kingdoms. I really do think is dynasty warriors 10 was to present itself as a proper or at least somewhat more accurate storytelling of the 3 kingdoms in a hyper realistic way that wasn't never done before it would attract a major audience even past the die hard dynasty warriors fans like us I've been listening to a podcast of the book and theirs so many cool things they could've featured in the games but didn't for some reason. At the end of the day the dynasty warriors/orochi Fandom ain't that big to begin with. they need to listen to what we actually want for once

[@koeiagentAK]

They'd be printing money if they built off on 8XLCE, use the movesets, introduce the characters from DW9. I don't even mind if characters are not included in the story, as long as its not shafting the game by cutting characters.

[@smileyday]

DW8 was a solid all around warriors game, well received by most fans, not sure they would bring it back… but I agree can’t have a roster cut and not refine the game for better gameplay. That’s where that extra energy of making more characters should go.

[@Wilsontripplets]

I did not hate dw9 i just wanted the world to be a bit more fleshed out the supply line system was cool but jist got tedious. The grapple hook was just very op it took to long for the other ways to get into a fortress. Combat was fun if a little complex and a bit hard to wrap your head around on the effects each set did, but the english voices needed to be better. Something i would like in dw 10 is to lead into the more historical aspects and less into the magic and myth.

[@smileyday]

Yeah the grapple almost defeated the purpose of the large scale battles. Just hop over the wall and defeat the enemy commander, rinse & repeat.

[@mikebottomlesspitdunham2954]

I say that it should take parts of past games. Like 2, the deeper you go, the more difficult the Battle. Akin to 3, there should have AI that is challenging and smart.(funny cutscenes are welcomed but to fit what I said should be taken from 2, the AI from 3 would be perfect) Dueling like 4. Unique Storylines like 5. Similar to 6, it can have an Anime type Artstyle. Like 7, a Conquest Mode that would combine with 8's Ambition Mode to add even more story. From 8, have the Weapon Affinity. Be Open World like 9 but each area be based on how they look in past games(the inside of Wan and Fan Castles be from 3 and exteriors be from 8 and 5 respectively for example).

[@smileyday]

They have a lot of games they can pull from certainly. Just really wondering if they want to look forward instead of using the past. Dueling like 4 was big for me, difficulty from 2 was next level controller smashing lol

[@mikebottomlesspitdunham2954]

@@smileyday well, sometimes to get to the future, you need to look at the past. I feel like DWX is a perfect chance to do it. Heck since they don't seem to wanna add characters in Empires, why not cancel the Empires Line and make DWX have an Empires Mode while using the Conquest/Ambition Hybrid Mode to add stages for characters that, if not try Open World again, have those stages tie into who the characters are, can be hypotheticals or historical, and be unlocked through having that character join you in that mode.

[@aaposso]

I think Koei is waiting for the result of Rise of the Rōnin to decide which path to follow, I believe that Warriors can follow a gameplay flow similar to what was presented in Rise, but still with the influence of "musou"( Focused on battles, multiple enemies and multiple playable characters?).

[@smileyday]

Well said💯

[@dillonmui9484]

Same thing with the next Orochi series PS5 guest characters they'll add Sly Cooper, Ratchet and Clank, & Jak and Daxter. For Xbox series S the only one guest character is Master Chief. Also Switch has guest characters fromthe Nintendo franchise Fire Emblem Marth, Roy, Lyn, Ike, Byleth, Corrin, Lucina, & Chrom.

[@Ultimatesadventures]

I really hope it's at least decent as I would love this serie to be fun again. Doesn't need to be a masterpiece, just a fun time with what made DW4 for exemple great.

[@smileyday]

Really enjoyed DW4, agreed it doesn’t need to be a masterpiece. We just want quality at this point

[@KrisDeLaGoat]

I would love a DW Story game like DW7 but each character ages along the story visually. They would learn or maybe change weapons and skills as they get older and wiser. In free mode or custom battles for Empire games you could choose a character from its beginner, prime and retired era or any other titles that would fit the character. For example Lu Bu specialized in archery and seeing a transition from a Bow to a Halberd would be interesting. I can also see a DW game become like season pass game where every season you get rewards like unique skins and weapons etc. but not sure how would that work with a single player game unless they make it like a battle royal game or something XD.

[@smileyday]

As long as they don't do microtransactions this is a good idea! I also enjoyed the DW7 storyline and the idea of characters aging with the story is needed in musou warriors games.

[@user-rm5dq8nt9g]

@@smileyday I think, that microtransactions are actually a solution, that could save the series. For now Koei can`t decide, what should they do with the DW and SW series. On the one side, they want to gain more profit and more new fans, so they need to make the new games from scratch, instead of one game service with additional content. On the other hand, every completely new game will be RAW as hell, so there is a big chance, that they dont aquire new fans and lose the old fanbase. So, to avoid this, they could just turn series into service on already completely built content core and just add new content through microtransactions. Like in Total War Warhammer. But i think, that Pirate Warriors 4 route is the best one, because it`s a mixed one. You just sell one game on same engine multiple times with the additional mechanics and content. And to lover the risks of getting the angry reaction, you just sell less games, but more microtransactions. Additional stories and routes with a new characters is the best way to add new content and aquire right amount of profit they desire.

[@iammaximumstupied]

i just miss how Empires became, missed the custom end cutscenes, instead of the standard stuff we been getting. heard how the battles are too, kinda bummed

[@smileyday]

Yeah DW9E was different from the last couple empires games, I don’t mind it I thought some of the new stuff they added was okay… but they also took alot out

[@808souljahxl5]

I would like to see them implement a class system like in Three Hopes.

[@HighPriestFuneral]

I'd like for Koei to reflect and see what worked and what didn't. The art style they went for with 9 was fine, but trying to be too realistic has issues. DW3 has an almost pop cartoon like style. DW4 went for something darker and grittier (similar to SW1), DW5 tried to balance both approaches. It depends on what kind of story and main focus they want to tell. DW7 was about the story. DW8 was about hypotheticals. DW9 was about the "Grand scope" (which they didn't quite show well, in the end). DW10 could be a good number of things. I don't think weapon switching is the way to go, but two characters sharing a weapon is fine as long as they use it differently, ala DW4-5. As for the plot... I'm not sure. I think it may be time to introduce the Liang Faction in full by introducing Ma Teng and Ma Yunlu. Ma Yunlu as Zhao Yun's wife would get a fair amount of time to shine and finally flesh out the rest of the Liang group; Ma Chao, Pang De, Ma Dai, Wang Yi and even Xiahou Yuan would benefit from this. Introduction of new factions or expanded ones would help the early game shine much more in my view.

[@smileyday]

Good points, reflecting could be beneficial for the 10th installment. I think the Liang force would be a great success for the characters listed, certainly would be considered “spin off” but I they all tie into the story anyway so definitely an avenue worth venturing.

[@Mattznick]

i love Nioh and enjoyed Wo Long and am a souls fan in general but i also enjoy my hack n slash beat em up genres as well. There is room for warriors games i don't wanna only play soulslikes

[@smileyday]

Nice to hear from a souls fan for sure, I can imagine the grind gets to be too much and you just wanna button smash 1K KOs for a bit😁

[@MackyMan73]

I really liked SW5, the art and the fighting was great. Lackluster on characters and weapons and I agree on the copy paste movement sets made it seem there wasn’t much to offer. But as for DW9 I was sad to see how easy the game was and how empty the open world was. DW series (in my opinion) needs to go back to their old roots with new graphics. I can only hope it happens.

[@smileyday]

Yeah same here on hoping for a better future. Trying not to get my hopes up too much and just taking what Koei does at face value. Modern gaming has certainly changed in a lot of ways.

[@shinnlee6742]

i need custom character created with free roaming map. and online mode so we can invade territory each other

[@crislunaverellen6563]

Here's my take on Dynasty Warriors 10, make it like Spirit of Sanada. Hear me out for a minute, Samurai Warriors' Spirit of Sanada was a nice touch in expanding on the Sanada family, so maybe do the same for Dynasty Warrior's storyline, but have it focus around the Shu family! After all, Zhao Yun is the poster boy of the Dynasty Warriors franchise (just like Yukimura Sanada is the poster boy for the Samurai Warriors franchise) The title for the game will be called: *Dynasty Warriors 10: Legacy of Shu*

[@smileyday]

Interesting idea, it would be more engaging for sure story wise. Characters would have much more life, and we all know Koei loves Shu. Maybe DLC could include Wu and Wei

[@KuddlesbergTheFirst]

What if we had: - Dynasty Warriors when a king becomes China's first emperor after fighting with Chu and other warring states. or - Samurai Warriors during a failed invasion of Korea. You are Hideyoshi struggling against Admiral Yi Sun-sin who is as strong as Tadakatsu or Lu Bu.

[@nightwing316]

Honestly I liked what the RE series did when their games started to fall off and go in a direction completely different from what it originally got it famous they started to Re make older games I would like for Koie to start to remake DW2 or DW3

[@smileyday]

When in doubt… remake your old games😂 seems to be a familiar trend

[@DaltonKY08]

They should look at Kingmakers on large scale group combat

[@floridafan561]

Remaster of DW 2-5 would be epic.

[@smileyday]

Definitely! Working on a video about that lol be on the lookout

[@MGTOW89]

the last good dynasty warriors game was 8, which was originally a ps3 game. this shows how they lost their touch of making good dynasty warriors games... they should just release a remastered versions of ps2 dynasty warriors (2 to 5), on the ps5 that runs at 4k or 1440p 60 fps, with no pop-in soldiers. that would be easy and cheap, and will make them good cash and make fans happy.

[@smileyday]

I agree 100% it would be an easy cash grab if Koei did that!

[@gulox8241]

Please not only PS5 i want some of that too (PC).

[@J94nene]

I think if anything if it's gonna be like SW5 then The three kingdoms will be the sole focus no Jin forces so Sima Zhao, Sima Shi and the younger Jin officers will be excluded. Basically back to the roots of PS2 era DW games. A focus on Mainly Shu, Wu and Wei ending in Wuzhang in classic form. Also some minor characters will probably be excluded (ala Xiahouji, Sanniang, Pang De, Cai Wenji, Qiao sisters among others)

[@smileyday]

Back to the roots of PS2 would be a breath of fresh air. If they take it there that would be great, even at the expense of a roster cut

[@toxickite93]

Personally id prefer them to do something like Spirit of Sanada. Focus primarily on a family, since they love dlcs they could build up with making dlc with side character’s and give them some level of content. That way maybe they can give these character’s better move sets and weapons.

[@smileyday]

That's not a bad idea, and you're right they love DLC would certainly be more character personality driven which I am all for.

[@nhatphinguyen7785]

Since Samurai Warriors 5 focus only Oda clan, maybe Dynasty Warriors 10 will be focus only Sima family from Gongsun Yuan Rebellion to Conquest of Wu.

[@fahi4806]

I may be alone in this one, but as much as I enjoyed all previous dw titles, I think they should move to another direction, I think they should go for the assassin creed rpg direction such as Valhalla, it should be much more grounded and somewhat realistic, and the open world should stay but they should downscale it and make it more linear especially in battles and sieges.

[@smileyday]

Ive thought about this as well, maybe make it like Koei’s more recent games Wo Long and RoR to make it more realistic.

[@BaronOfBacon]

Making DW10 like SW5? Eh, I'm down. I liked SW5. I acknowledge 4 was head and shoulders better, but I had still had a ton of fun with 5. I agree with the notion that a more focused story based DW with a slimmer cast based on which faction they choose to focus on could help lead to the next great DW game. There needs to be a foundation if you want to rebuild the series, and 10 is probably the best place to start with that. You could even go the extra mile and make 3 DW10's, one for each faction, and then make 11 the next "full" DW game with the rosters of the 3 10's. Just a thought.

[@redzoro92]

Yeah, old Warrior games are over & they need to revamp the entire thing. Each game installment can be separated by Eras. 10 focuses on the 1st generation of Dynasty Warriors like Cao Cao, Liu Bei, Sun Quan. 11 on Liu Shan & Sima Yi. Then have legacy characters like Liu Shan take their parent's spot for the weapon, but tweaked so they still feel like their own character. Or just make the 2nd gen the Empires game. There are so many ways to improve like bosses, but oh well.

[@smileyday]

That’s a promising idea to combat the repetitiveness in the story.

[@Janembu]

DW8 had some many characters all with unique movesets, they can do it but for for whatever reason they didn’t with 9, the fact we had clones with Samurai 5 was a huge disappointment for me along with the roster cut. I want a bigger roster as people that did interesting things still aren’t playable like Hao Zhao, the man that defeated Zhuge Liang. What isn’t needed is more Shu characters tbh, you could add Yan Yan as he would be Other as well and maybe Liao Hua as well and use him as a narrator as well considering how long he lived. The other 2 factions and other should have more characters. Later Wu has barely anyone in that time period for instance.

[@smileyday]

Liao Hua, Yan Yan, and Shamoke would be great iterations to Shu, and the fictional sons of Guan Yu & Zhang Fei should be cut if we’re shortening rosters

[@Janembu]

@@smileyday personally while I don’t like cutting characters, characters that are fictional or had no battlefield impact are acceptable I guess with the exception of Diao Chan just to keep Lu Bus story intact

[@AlifyaNursukmaForicha]

My biggest complain about SW5 is the roster cut, dupe character movesets (which is my biggest problem since dw7 and dw6 to some extent) and less focused on other characters that are not Oda's factions. Other than those, the game is a breath of fresh air. Arguably the best game among the newer games

[@smileyday]

I agree with you, it’s not the best game but certainly is well made overall with how they implemented new mechanics, just clone move-sets get redundant for me.

[@tvirt2100]

DW10 needs to have the same style as SW5. DW9 was a flop so I want to see DW10 only focus on 1 Kingdom or any specific characters that have a strong affection toward the Kingdom and its history like Nobunaga and Akechi in SW5.

[@smileyday]

Worst case scenario they can make an orochi game at least!

[@tvirt2100]

@@smileyday Nahhh, they aint going anywhere with Dw9 model and style. Best they can do is using SW5 style as the main style and they have to remake DW9 characters graphic and model

[@gulox8241]

Yeaaah, no thanks.

[@AkagiRedSun]

Golden age of low budget games are long gone, just glad we have amazing collab with other franchises while classic that are rich in content for replayablility DW8XLC = Definitive Dynasty Warriors SW4 = Definitive Samurai warriors DWGR = Definitive Dynasty Gundam WO3U = Definitive Orochi Warriors DW5 Empire = tbh just play ROTK if you want strategy (Older titles are good if you have nostalgic value added on but for a newcomers these are the way to go)

[@smileyday]

Can’t argue this list, it’s stacked.

[@kacangajaib1563]

True though Warriors game gameplay just repeating itself the only true new things are the graphics😅

[@conradojavier7547]

if they do that, Liu Bei & Cow Cow should both look like Posterboys, & the Story Ends in Chi Bi.

[@smileyday]

That’s a legitimate story idea! Cool to know how the novels portray the kingdoms as well between Shu & Wei that would be storyline I could get behind

[@Giselle_Bollinger]

I'll be honest, if they want to do a reset and cut the roster to make better gameplay and build on that over time I think that would be best. I really think the obsession with roster size is ruining these games because its impossible for every game to have an increasingly large roster while also innovating on the combat system.

[@smileyday]

Exactly we are literally on the brink of 100 characters for DW... maybe refinement is what's best. As much as I love what Koei is doing with creativity in characters. I think the time they've taken to announce anything solid or significant is a sign they are really thinking about what to do next.

[@panpakuutheartistico606]

What they need is to bring back Dynasty Warriors Online as well as remaster the old games. This would be continuous revenue for the company since MMO’s are also trending still. They can take as long as they want to put out a better dynasty warriors game.

[@smileyday]

DW Online was a big hit in Japan they only recently shut down servers in 2022. But the old games could be shown love for sure.

[@Mikhailnoise]

I would honestly love to see DW & SW be massively improved. Lord knows they've had more than enough experience by now... DW needs an aesthetic. SW had JRock & now Pop Ink - alongside incredible character designs. Atelier had Watercolor & always will be Anime. DW being Three Kingdoms isn't enough for me to care and I doubt that "Chinese Fantasy" is as genuinely bland as what DW has presented throughout its entire series. When it comes to gameplay... DW & SW are technically their flagship series, right? So why the hell aren't we seeing them benefit from the wealth of incredible additions we've seen from spin-offs like Hyrule, Persona, Fire Emblem, One Piece, Touken Ranbu, etc.? It's not embarrassing enough for there to be Clones in DW & SW - they had to salt the wound by shoveling in as many completely uninspired RPGrinding mechanics that withhold basic gameplay elements and only reward minor stats.

[@smileyday]

It’s pretty clear the spin off Warriors IPs you mentioned unfortunately get more creativity and thought put into them than their mainline warriors games. Just imo

[@saliver5909]

I want replayability, and for that I mean hypothetical stages. Let the players unlock different characters, collectables, items, and even moves in different what-ifs. So if we want to min-max the characters, we will have to replay a lot. I don't know if this is what other players want, but at least I want this. Edit: If KT wants money, that's easy. Just keep expanding on the game, adding more hypothetical and characters. Extend the life of the game, keep people playing, keep making money, and keep making the next game. Edit2: By adding content and selling them over time, it means the game will be managed like a mobile game. Players want a lot of characters and lots of content, but I think KT will be demotivated if they can't manage the workload, and just making one-time money. If we want a big DW game, I think it is better to be somewhat like a mobile game.

[@smileyday]

Replayability is a big deal for sure especially since there’s been some time in between games on the mainline front at least. That’s a good point tho that if they want to expand the workload it’ll require upkeep and not sure koei wants to do that when they are trying to stay competitive in the gaming market.

[@saliver5909]

@@smileyday That's why I can accept character packs like Dong Bai, Yuan Shu, Xiahou Ji, and Hua Xiong in DW9. If Koei can keep releasing content, I don't mind buying them all. Comparing to piles of swimsuits in DOA that costs thousands of dollars, new characters, new stages, new hypotheticals are much, much better. Keep players happy and keep making money, fair deal. That's how mobile games keep player's attention. They keep updating so players have more stuff to look forward to, more discussion among players, and the community will be alive for a long time. But of course, players will not accept real money gambling/gacha in a mainline DW game. So keep the gambling in Dynasty Warriors M lol.

[@NecromancyEnthusiast]

So you're definitely right in saying that if we got a tighter, more focused story in dw10 like in sw5 it would probably follow Shu, you're just stating a fact there, and I'm stating my opinion in regards to that fact: Personally I'm tired of Shu, so I think that's the development I would dislike most of all. The favoritism Dynasty Warriors (currently) shows them is nowhere NEAR as bad as the Romance of the Three Kingdoms novel and a lot of its other adaptations, but the more Shu gets crammed down my throat the less interested I am in them. The thing I dislike about them as a group isn't that 'ohhh they're the goody goody two shoes kingdom, that's so inherently boring', it's that I think they're... I don't want to say 'overrated', but they're given too much credit, I guess. I still like certain people from Shu like Zhao Yun, Yueying, and Xu Shu, and it's not like I *want* to resent them as a group, it's just kind of hard not to when my own personal favorite kingdom, Wu, is constantly getting overshadowed by them in just about every source you can imagine and their historical achievements often get taken away from them and given to Shu, or they're basically props to make Shu look better. Like you know Hua Xiong and how in the game Guan Yu takes him down? Yeah historically it was Sun Jian who did that. Historically Zhou Yu probably didn't give Zhuge Liang much of a thought other than 'oh yeah, my co-worker's little brother' and never lost a wink of sleep resenting Zhuge Liang for supposedly being a better strategist. Historically Wu tried to smooth over the whole Jing Province thing with Guan Yu multiple times but he kept pushing the envelope because he was full of himself. Oh yeah and historically Sun Shangxiang hated Liu Bei and was only married to him for a few years before she got the signal from her brother that she could come home and she left as soon as she could... And also tried to take Liu Shan with her, presumably to spite him? It's not like we have anything from her perspective, unfortunately. She sure didn't betray her own family for him or go and spend the rest of her life in Shu (although tbh if Dynasty Warriors actually bothered to show her interacting with literally any character in Shu other than Liu Bei I would be a bit more okay with it, like she and Liu Shan could have such an interesting dynamic since she was basically his step-mom for a few years but they never want to show it because then they'd either have to paint her as his biological mom or admit that Liu Bei had other wives and concubines and that Liu Shan's mom was a concubine, which is REALLY something the Warriors series hates doing, period. ... But yeah, I'm inclined to agree with your predictions, as much as I dislike most of them. C'est la vie, that's how it is on this bitch of an earth.

[@smileyday]

Well said! Thanks for the feedback, I’m not too keen on the ROTK and historical aspects. I need to educate myself on them so I can bring a perspective that’s not so DW centric. I also agree that Shu is overhyped, the dynamic needs to be balanced hence the “Three Kingdoms” I liked your point about SSX virtually being nonexistent to any other Shu character it’s like she’s jus there… but idk having Zhuge Liang, Zhao Yun and Guan been part of the Shu kingdom maybe that’s the reason they tend to favor them so much. Idk but Wu & Wei need a bit more TLC within the story imo…

[@YanDaMan263]

I never understood the complain of the roster cut. Its necesary. People dont seem to understand how much work and content adding that many characters with unique moveset actually is. The reason games like DW5 had a big roster is because it was BUILT off DW2, 3 and 4 with a few derivatives of the movesets. DW6 was a completely new system and engine and every moveset was built from scratch, thats why there were so many clone weapons. This is the exact same reason DW9 and SW5 had the same issue, they are new combat systems/engines built from scratch. DW8's massive roster was built off DW7. Warriors Orochi's massive roster was built off copy pasted characters from DW and SW with a few originals thrown in and so on. Point is, unless they are building the new DW/SW game off the previous game, then EXPECT a roster cut. Its completely unrealistic to fit eveyrone with new movesets in a new game when the roster has grown so much over the years.

[@smileyday]

I actually agree with this take, as much as roster cuts can hurt it’s best to focus on refining the gameplay. Considering we’re close to 100 characters at this rate for the next game, a refresh and cut might do some good.

[@strafer3459]

yeah adding too many characters is a problem however, with the reduce size we shouldn't be seeing clones i understand it may be difficult but doing clones to me personally has always been lazy no shot at omega force i know they're doing what they can with a limited budget and dev time and that's where koei needs to change and let their devs just make a game with a good budget and dev time i mean Hyrule warriors 1 and as mentioned wo long is a true testament of that it shows they can put out a phenomenal game if given time and resources i hope Koei will change more and be more hands off on rushing omega and stripping their budget

[@YanDaMan263]

@@strafer3459 The issue with that is, without the clone weapons they simply would've included less characters in the first place. I'd rather have those characters present and in the story with their own dialogues than not. Its the same reason Smash Bros had clone chars in their games. Less development time required to fit in more rather than less.

[@zhaoyun255]

DW9 and SW5 are 2 separate problems. DW9 used new engine and battle system so there is some reason to be a bunch of clones because that was exactly what happened with DW6. However, that in fact didn't excuse for those homogenized moveset that the only different thing about them was Musou. I would prefer they improved that formula that DW8CE did and remove the flaw of DW8XL has and used the Story Narrative that DW7 has. SW5? Whoa boy, this is ZERO EXCUSES because the battle system is 90% just like SW4 and SW4-II had. I could understand if it was a different battle system but no way in hell I would give them the pass this time around. SW5 went LAZY with the moveset and go full DW7 on the cast which defeat the purpose of SW uniqueness identity.

[@vandlassie8478]

In any shooting game, why add new AK when every AK will have similiar shooting experience. Why add new glock when every glock feels same but simply different caliber without change of recoil. No matter how big the roster, you probably will get almost exact same performance item, but they have their own niche. Here's the catch, dynasty warriors is based on china. If this doesnt go through to your brain, it's country that famous for multiple ancient martial arts school. Remember dynasty warriors is actual hero based game? You want to play because the character, not representative of certain moveset. If you cut the certain hero because they have similiar moveset from other, WHICH IS COME FROM THE SAME SCHOOL, congrats you just dismissive the culture of china. Your logic is like any fighting game. You cut roster because of lore? Insignificant lore in gameplay based game?

[@cameronfield7313]

Okay, really, here's where I think Dynasty Warriors needs to go. Dynasty Warriors needs a big ass reboot. I feel like they need to go back to having less characters, but for the sake of only doing the game up to a certain point of the series. I kinda want Dynasty Warriors 10 to go up to Guan Du like how Wo Long did, which means so many characters of the currently 94 roster will be cut, BUT, it could give more characters opportunities to shine, especially if they allow Hypothetical Routes for those outside of the main Kingdoms. This could also allow Koei a chance to create more Other Officers, specifically for the Yellow Turbans (Zhang Bao, Zhang Laing, Pei Yuan Shao, Zhang Mancheng), Dong Zhuo (Li Ru, Li Jue, Guo Si), Yuan Shao (Wen Chou, Yan Liang, Shen Pei, Guo Tu), Yuan Shu (Yuan Yue, Qiao Rui), and Lu Bu (Gao Shun, Wei Xu, Song Xian, Hou Cheng). They could also allow certain Warlords to also be played for the first time ever with some of their own playable officers. These could be with Tao Qian (with Mi Fang, Mi Zhu, Yu Ji), Gongsun Zan (with Gongsun Yue, Yan Gang), and Liu Biao (with Kuai Liang, Huang Zu, and Cai Mao).

[@smileyday]

Totally on board with this idea 💯 some of the lesser known factions would be really cool to see become playable even if in hypothetical

[@LuBu-vi]

The only way to make dynasty warriors back is to make the combat system Like FOR HONOR and keep the open world online like Red dead redemption 2

[@smileyday]

That’s an interesting idea, especially seeing how the Guan Yu inspired character looks in For Honor. Not sure about multiplayer since Koei never seems to make that a focus, but maybe they learned how to manage it with Wo Long.

[@michaeleshleman9144]

I love SAMURAI WARRIORS 5! Pls. do the same for DYNASTY WARRIORS 10! Call of Duty get new games every year! Why not Dynasty Warriors & Samurai Warriors every year?

[@smileyday]

Koei focus isn’t warriors anymore☹️

[@8Smoker8]

Shu ARE the good guys. >_

[@saika.magoichi.214]

in the beginning maybe but based off the romance of the 3 kingdoms they all had their fair share of issues. sun Quan was supposedly a very violent angry leader, Zhang Fei often hit drunk and would beat his own soldiers. (in the 3 kingdom TV series they portray his own men killing him) and cao cao often had his mood swings as well

[@doggpound9319]

Wish they would go back to the style of 2-4, 2 had the best AI cause they were actually a challenege, you couldn't just solo everyone, you needed to have teammates with you or the enemy would stomp you out, we need the bodyguards back, and its too easy to kill enemies in the new ones, i remember it took a while to get 100 kills, now you can easily get that within a minute and that's not fun.

[@smileyday]

I think this is a big reason why I prefer the older games like 2-4 even 5. The challenge is there even to this day. 100 KOs felt worth it. The AI had no problem serving you a combo that sent you flying even if it’s an infantry men. Gamers need that humility in todays age😂

[@tbull1663]

Honestly, i hope they go away with the 1 vs 1000 and bring back bodyguards like in dw3 and 4. Granted the bodyguards eventually got overpowered, but if they make 10 difficult enough where bodyguards dont feel overpowered and we have troops assigned to us follow us, that would be awesome. Similar to DW5 Empires, where when you used the ambush stratagem, you would have loads of troops that followed you (without giving officers orders to follow you)

[@smileyday]

Most concepts from DW3-5 were elite especially with bodyguards, they should revisit some of them.

[@tbull1663]

@@smileyday I wholeheartedly agree. It'll be very interesting to see which route they go

[@user-rm5dq8nt9g]

I think, they will not create a game better than DW8XL or WO4. Remember, how if was painful for them to make the full roster of warriors unique. How many games they did it? About 6 (DW7, XL, Empires, DW8, XL, Empires). How many games they`ll need to make all of the present roster + new characters unique in gameplay if they gonna do it from scratch? DW8XL was the best because it was the same game as four before it, but with the additions being added with every new release.

[@smileyday]

DW8XL & DW5XL were all around the most complete experience for a Dynasty Warriors game. It certainly is painful to have close to 100 characters which is DW10 is on track to have if they don't change course with how the recent addition has added more characters.

[@user-rm5dq8nt9g]

@@smileyday i think, they need to just work with already built DW8 game engine. Add new graphics, new mechanics, but leave the core alone. Because you don`t need to fix things, that not broken. Just upgrade it above already made content and voila - you`ll have resources for creating additional content. But if they`ll decide to make it all from scratch, then we can forget about complete product for about 5 or 7 games.

[@the_superior_nerd2439]

We need a another samurai warriors empires game with new stories and a new dynasty warriors with new dynasty warriors characters a new wei a new shi and a new wu and definitely a new jin

[@ulfrinn8783]

I'm not a fan of the cell shading. Everything else seemed fine. But the cell shading just makes it look too cartooney. I think DW9 and Samurai Warriors 4, visually, looked great. There's no reason to mask all of that effort in design and textures by covering it under a layer of cell shading. I think overall, the series is just getting lazier. A case in point for that is they don't even both to do English voice acting in any of them anymore. Nothing is more annoying than some general giving information about what is going on, or what your objective is, and you have to stop doing what ever you are doing and look down at the text box to see what the heck he's saying... in a game where you're likely focused on some kind of action you're in the middle of and can't exactly look away from.

[@lamebeast]

From what i heard, they are tired of the two main series and would rather work on anime IPs, and i honestly wouldn't mind that i loved berserk, arslan, and hyrule warriors, etc. i would love to see them try other animes, or hell others, IPs like final fantasy, for example. I mean, team Ninja did make stranger of paradise

[@smileyday]

That’s true, and I think what you heard is correct, or it feels that way at least with DW & SW. If it means more “warriors” games with more known IPs it would be cool to see like Bleach is one we really need.

[@lamebeast]

@smileyday honestly, I believe koei should be the one making more anime games. Bandai seems to just do decent at best arena fighters. They put more effort into original IPs, like code vien, Scarlett nexus, and god eater

[@yushaamoreno6125]

i have been wanting a gritty grounded version of dynasty warriors. Wit some blood and gore and combat like that in ghost of shushima. That would be great, koei seems like they dont want to adapt and their lame attempt at it was a half hearted open world disaster

[@smileyday]

They have that in some of their other games like Beserk & Wo Long. The open world was empty for sure, but 2019 was when open worlds were really getting popular and I think Koei tried to fit it. That’s just my personal opinion tho

[@yushaamoreno6125]

@@smileyday understandable but honestly this is a franchise that could do with a fresh direction. instead of a full pivot which would be risky, they could change the tone and make the combat more punishing not soulslike but a bit more refined. thats my personal opinion but the story is so amazing i think its wasted on overly fantastical pandering to the mythology as opposed to the history

[@mavadocharon3628]

Great video ! For me i just wait for a real current-gen musou game ! Dw9E and Sw5 for PS5 are basically PS4 games ! And Fate samurai remnant is not a real musou ... Any new warriors-like game would be great for me, provided it's a real PS5 game (with graphi s like Wo-long for exemple...)

[@smileyday]

Thank you! Yeah haven’t gotten a PS5 yet so seeing a decent warriors game might incentivize me to look into it but just not a lot of promising news of DW yet…

[@liniaustin8525]

In my personal opinion. The Series Died off after 5. Cause, the mosou modes were dumb downed. Meaning, I love playing as all the characters and completely completing all the story modes. 7 and 8 were the Kingdom modes....6 was a hot train wreck due to the Renbu (however you spell that) system and 9.....way toooo buggy....

[@smileyday]

Sadly I agree…

[@lazygamer2995]

Please god i hope not 😔

[@PancakesTsuki]

I dnt lke the possibility of my fave characters gone with DW10 I'm still sad SW5 got rid of my absolute fave characters Naotora and Gracia :( But they soooo many characters now maybe koei see it's bloated and they reboot it or somthing but losing my faves in the progress......

[@smileyday]

Yes… I know the possibly of your fav character being cut is hard to see, but if it makes for a better overall game I’m down for it.

[@PancakesTsuki]

@@smileyday but SW5 had clones anyway which sucked and nobody liked it so if DW10 is developed like SW5 it’ll have clones also but if Koei wants to start fresh I dnt blame them 😔

[@Gd22708]

If they do SW5 for DW10 koei is done lol

[@ArlindoBuriti]

To me... if it is not like 8 bodyguards with comands making so that in a future empire game you can level up your bodyguard to be a general for ex... make so pawns are something you should care about like in dinasty warriors 3... at least make them block. i think making a good combat with less characters is the way to go... this ideia of more characters is better is not good for warriors games... just add more in empire and XL Remaster dinasty warriors 3 to have more enemies in the screen. I think a way of doing the 1000x1 game be good again is make it challenging... like put a batman style gameplay on it the game will have less characters but it would be different, you want a ex of this? the opening for dinasty warriors 5... kind of like that. i think it needs to be a more skill based game.

[@smileyday]

This is a good perspective, I think that’s why Wo Long did so well, because it was so much more skill based. The bodyguard mechanic being updated or brought back could be beneficial too. Huge DW3 fan here… so I agree with the remaster. Planning on another video for this and the older DW games in the future.

[@widimira597]

why not talking about warrior allstars? is like warrior orochi spinoff

[@smileyday]

Good point, thinking of ideas for a future video regarding what an Allstars 2 could look like. Might be unrealistic bc it wasn’t received very well but who knows!

[@TheChibiGingi]

I will edit my comment once I get the chance to watch the video but just gonna chime in real quick to say this: even if the series would benefit from going this route (except done better than SW5), the fans will NOT accept it. DW6 tried and boooooooy I am pretty sure there are fans that are still griping about the loss of Daqiao to this day. (I cannot lie as if they removed my favorite I would likely just do what I did with SW5 and not buy it. 😂)

[@smileyday]

You’re right there will definitely be a group that will be unhinged if they did it lol

[@venjustice6666]

Think there’s some news for you. Maybe maybe not dynasty warriors origins?

[@smileyday]

Looks like a reboot to me! I wouldn’t be surprised if they continue this engine moving forward even for DW10… if they even decide to go that route!

[@venjustice6666]

@@smileyday it looks to me like an apology for how DW9 was. From the trailer it looks like DW9 but with more enhanced graphics and everything looks wayyy more epic and alive

[@p12remakeisreal]

I'd like to see cao cao running away from Zhang sou cuz his milf preference 😂😂😂

[@y_dhistira]

DW7 was peak for me and the transition to DW9 mechanics were awful

[@smileyday]

DW7 gave me alot of hope after DW6 for sure. I enjoyed the story elements of 7

[@perkwunos2499]

SW 5 Pros: 1) Good Graphics. 2) New take on characters with some being closer to their realife counterparts. Ex: Mori Motonari being ruthless. 3) New Characters. Cons: 1) Except for Oda & Akechi, no one ages. 2) Cloned Movesets/Weapons. 3) DLCs weren't that good. DW 9 Pros: 1) Good Graphics/Character Designs. Cons: 1) EVERTHING ELSE.

[@monaeblackeaglequeen8974]

I hope not !! Just add Bianshi and unique koei movesets

[@dillonmui9484]

For PS5 guest characters they'll add Sly Cooper, Ratchet and Clank, & Jak and Daxter. For Xbox series S the only one is Master Chief. Also Switch has Fire Emblem Marth, Roy, Lyn, Ike, Byleth, Corrin, Lucina, & Chrom.

[@smileyday]

I love Jak & Daxter😂 that would honestly be kinda interesting to see a mix up with Sony and Xbox characters.

[@dillonmui9484]

@@smileyday I realized that Dynasty Warriors 10 will have guest characters.

[@tylerassady9118]

Definitely not sw5 style. I prefer dw9 rosters like good old times dw3 rosters! But i do like sw5 battle map style than dw9 empty husk battle which im gonna agree until they fix open world map issue like bring back aggressive ai units from dw2-dw3 and better siege battle from dw6 and better combo.

[@smileyday]

Aggressive AI for sure needs to be added back, the siege battles from 6 is an interesting idea. Need to revisit that game soon

[@tylerassady9118]

@@smileyday you can revisit on dw6 from ps plus cloud gaming but i would recommend play it on ps2 version known dw6 special ps2 which added new stages battle, change new weapons and new stories added.

[@cauliflowerconnoisseur2710]

Roster cuts are needed, especially for Shu. Almost every addition since 7 has been either fictional or not historically important. Why are the Guan children taking up 4 roster spots when one (Sou) didn't exist, 2 (Xing and Yinping) never saw combat and the others (ping) only notable moment was him being executed with his daddy? Without them, we won't need Bao Sanniang, who is ficitonal, Zhang Bao, who historically NEVER saw actual combat and passed young. Remove Xiahou Ji, for obvious reasons and Zhou Cang, who was fictional and only there to stroke Guan Yu and the weird obsession everyone has with him and there is 8 spots to fill for characters who are important to the Shu kingdom. Hell, get rid of Xing Cai as well. If we cut the story at fan castle, we don't need Liu Shan, who is useless anyway.

[@realacturius]

i wonder what would be your opinion to the opposite. what IF samurai warriors 6 is developed like dynasty warriors 9? i love the dynasty warriors series but in my opinion, the "open world" suits japan instead of china specially when it comes to environments. china has a vast open environments but everything is all flat. japan has more verticality in terms of mountains, hills and specially their castles. also village deep in the mountains ahahaha. just my thoughts on what IF ahahaha.

[@smileyday]

Good question, if it were to be that way I think it’s more realistic to see SW5 Empires as that. Keep the base game, but open gameplay to traversing thru feudal Japan. Another route would be to make SW6 along the lines of Rise of Ronin and use a lot of that world building mechanic in a warriors game. Not realistic perhaps since SW5 was a soft reboot but could be cool to see.

[@dillonmui9484]

Also Kingdom Hearts 4 is coming soon. Sony will put Sora for a guest character in Dynasty Warriors 10 for PS5, unfortunately it's Disney is extremely frightening about Koei Tecmo and Omega Force, but broke the contract.

[@smileyday]

Very interesting. Certainly will be interesting what Koei will do with warriors moving forward.

[@victorchan1187]

🤔

[@impact1209]

Dw7

[@boromir0062]

At this rate i just want some remasters of 2,3,4,5 and 6.

[@smileyday]

Definitely 💯

[@v-keianime5442]

I have always thought that DW and SW should stay foundationaly similar, yet distinctly different when it come to how combat and art style. What I believe could be a good idea is have features like kingdom under fire where you command troops and fight during battles. Then also let you give simple order to generals like an empires game just without all the empire fluff. This way they can keep the scale of battles and it also may reinvigerate the series combat wise. Have had this idea and discussion with friends all the way back when DW6 was getting ready for release. Current hardware seems like it could be done.

[@flyingover3737]

Do you think they should consider reducing the characters in Dynasty Warriors 10?

[@smileyday]

Yes I think they should. ONLY if it means a more polished gameplay and dynamic combat system. Reducing characters without enhancing the gameplay experience is pointless imo.

[@HappyPurpleNoob]

Meh..

[@benjaminbeltran7004]

If DW10 was made with the same graphics and performance of SW5 it would be the best that could happen to it. SW5 is one of the best and most polished KT games ever made.

[@JumugiDesunra]

Koei should do what they did with Wo Long Dynasty & make DW10 a little more darker & with blood.

[@smileyday]

I think that could benefit in bringing in newer fans to the series, not a bad idea. Wo Long did them wonders