What if EVERY Villain Won in Pokemon?

[@MarcMagma]

Fun fact: Due to either censorship or mistranslation, in the german dub of the anime, Team Magma's plan was actually to only expand the amount of land a bit as opposed to drying up all water. Team Aqua however still wanted to flood the world though "for the good of all Pokémon" (despite wiping out most Pokémon in the process.)

[@Lionwoman]

Mmmm interesting. In Spain Magma's plot was also expanding the land.

[@InhabitantOfOddworld]

Lebensraum can be a touchy subject

[@Pikachu_Gamer123]

Never watched the hoenn saga from the anime

[@PokeMario-pk4ot]

Honestly, that seems like a way better plan than drying up all water

[@joseguadalupemartineztorre9702]

I always thought Magma's plan was to create land connecting the other islands, and drying up most of the ocean was going to be the solution

[@w1ndgeneral226]

Fun fact: Ghetsis's team at the end could nearly perfectly counter the pokemon N had at his last fight. And seeing how Ghetsis is the only person in Pokemon who will result to murder, it's quite possible Ghetsis planned to eventually kill N and take his legendary, which his alternate version probably did as shown in Pokemon Ultra Sun/Moon.

[@connorconnor1631]

he is not the only person in pokémon who resorts to murder

[@amiiboguy7288]

You forgot about Sordward and Shielbert. If they succeeded in their plan, they would be kings of Galar, and I’d hate to live in a region under their rule. Also, Zacian and Zamazenta would no longer be heroes, but terrifying beasts. The brothers would probably abuse their power to get in control

[@matthewmatthew8941]

I’ve tried to forget about them.

[@amiiboguy7288]

@@matthewmatthew8941 I thought they had a pretty good concept, just executed poorly. We already have nihilistic and grim villains like Cyrus, Lysandre and Ghetsis, so I think it’s nice to have jerk villains like Sordward and Shielbert. I just wish they spent more time working on SwSh’s story, the brothers could’ve had great potential as villains The idea of snooty guys with awful hairdos in control of Galar’s true heroes is actually kind of a cool concept for Pokémon villains imo

[@ΓΙΑΝΝΗΣΔΑΣΚΑΛΑΚΗΣ-ω9ψ]

@@amiiboguy7288 They were good in concept, but poorly executed. Just like the rest of Sword and Shield.

[@amiiboguy7288]

@@ΓΙΑΝΝΗΣΔΑΣΚΑΛΑΚΗΣ-ω9ψ If SwSh gets remakes or sequels that fix its mistakes, I’d be so happy

[@matthewmatthew8941]

@@amiiboguy7288 I think it’s the weird chasing them around or what ever it was I had to do to beat their story is what I mainly try to forget. But I do like that Pokémon has so many different types of bad guys.

[@thedragonwarrior5861]

Its weird that everybody calls Giratina evil and conventional forgetting that it stopped Cyrus of its own free will

[@vlalcremie002]

Didn't you mean Cyrus?

[@thedragonwarrior5861]

@@vlalcremie002 fair point

[@irondragondxd3836]

Nah Giratina is evil, it tried to do the exact same thing Cyrus did 200 years prior.

[@agatha6999]

In Legends Arceus, Giratina’s definitely evil but it seems reformer several centuries after that with how it stops Cyrus though maybe that was fueled by survival and nothing else, who knows

[@irondragondxd3836]

@@agatha6999 The irony is Giratina, Cyrus, and Volo are all more alike than not.

[@lightsen]

As much as I love the hoenn villains, they really did not think through their plans. I guess they assumed they could control the legendries so precisely that they can just avoid all of the destruction and magic the world the way they wanted. You gotta love dumb villains, at least they learned their lesson haha

[@John-Stark]

Honestly I like how they help you unfuck the situation in ORAS

[@billykaplan9915]

They really really didn't think it through

[@GreenOfMe]

Honestly, if we could get a spin-off where team plasma succeeds and the player joined a rebel group fighting to survive against Ghetsis and the rest of the team( as Ghetsis didn’t necessarily want to be the only person with Pokémon, he wanted team Plasma to have a Pokémon monopoly) would be very interesting

[@pinkie723]

Ooo, that could be a fun concept for a Unova Legends game! Everyone lost their Pokemon, and now you need to go around catching all sorts of Pokemon to build up a team to defeat Team Plasma and liberate Unova!

[@gioflores]

@@pinkie723 man thats so hype

[@waleedkhalid7486]

Ok this needs to be a fan made game or a rom hack like yesterday!! I am legitimately surprised it doesn’t already exist.

[@craigyeah1052]

Sounds fun. You could even rent out your pokemon to other rebels instead of just having them all in a box. Could frame it after years where most professors are captured and so knowledge on catching and training pokemon needs to be rediscovered.

[@atommidas200]

@@pinkie723 any fakemon creators out their, this mans got ideas

[@JustJulyo]

Let's be honest, Team Rocket is looking like a more understanding group than KZbin is recently

[@theapexsurvivor9538]

I mean, one thing you can say about them is that they're honest about what they want, which is more than can be said about most modern corporations who lie and gaslight their customers on seemingly a weekly basis.

[@AnythingButBecky1127]

@@theapexsurvivor9538 we realize that these creatures are powerful and that we can make big money off of them so obviously we're gonna try to do that

[@kamikazesenpai21]

@@theapexsurvivor9538 yeah it's honestly hilarious how unsubtle team rocket is. they're grunts just say shit like "it feels good ordering my pokemon to commit crimes" *actual quote)

[@Noah_Levy]

Recently? :P

[@-DevilLunar-]

Well if they only have control of jotho and Kanto I think some legendary might come and put an end to them

[@original4934]

Team Galactic and Flare were definitely the most dangerous

[@ChaoticJester]

Also Plasma imo.

[@theamazingspooderman2697]

@@ChaoticJester Liberation is cool but what is stopping the trainers from catching their pokemon instantly after releasing them

[@Leefbones]

@@theamazingspooderman2697 team plasma is seen hacking pokemon pc's which wouldn't stop people from recapturing But it does prevent people from having more than 6 Also reshiram and zeckrom could canonically just kill destroy unova Which is a pretty good threat to discourage such behaviour

[@ChaoticJester]

@@theamazingspooderman2697 Team Neo Plasmas Ghetsis wasn't afraid to kill people, almost freezing the protagonist just to prove it.

[@Akatsukileader9]

Not Volo? he's straight up evil while Cyrus is jus whatever. And Lysandre doesn't have the power to end the multiverse on his side

[@beagay963]

Giratina probably didn’t mind Volo because he didn’t want to straight up delete the universes like Cyrus did.

[@Rudoku1]

That and since the character in Legends is the same one from D/P/P, Giratina remembers you kicked it's ass 200 years ago.

[@justyouramateuryoutuber]

I could imagine a side entry where you play as the grunt of the evil team, only for a plot twist to be that the supposed player character would be the true mastermind and you would end up saving the world (and possibly being hailed as a hero)

[@FishronCatFurryBoi]

That's basically a Pokemon Fire Red ROM hack where red is actually a parasite and Your a team rocket grunt

[@borekspacil952]

Pokémon team rocket edition

[@thunderknight4149]

That was actually the original plot of pokemon coliseum and XD.

[@ChososHoeso]

I mean that isn't all that far off from Arceus? Being a member of the galaxy team which becomes team galactic in the future and commander Kamado keeps thinking the player is causing the bad things so they can fix them and become the hero. I mean he's obviously wrong, but that's not too far off from your idea haha

[@jackhowe7887]

Rocket edition

[@kinglyzebra6417]

Team Skull's goal wasn't just "get rich". They wanted to get rid of the Island Challenge and basically destroy all of Alola's Culture And given that the Tapus are responsible for entrusting Kahunas, Captains, and Z-crystals, the Island Deities would likely be killed. The combination of the consequences of Team Skull winning would basically make all of Alola just like Po Town. Feel free to expand on my idea here.

[@laravioliiii2832]

So, they would make alolan healthcare into american healthcare?

[@celenatoppin9675]

In my opinion, even without the protagonist they wouldn't have gotten far, at one point they would be like "we did it" but they only managed to steal that bus stop. Because I belive like team yell they have limits because of their "low" power

[@yunyomal]

i honestly think team skull has no directive, they just do shit for the lolz. I mean... Its not like their zubats are capable of anything greater

[@сільськаприбахана]

I may not be the most knowledgeable about Pokémon lore, but as far as I get, Team Skull was practically some guys who were petty about not winning, no? At least in their "core" I don't think they were smart, forward-planning villains like even Giovanni were, so I don't think they would actually be able to kill Tapu They don't look like guys who prepared lore-heavy thing that can weaken and/or trap deity-like Pokémon, too - judging by part about destroying Alola culture, they probably don't know if such thing exists 😅

[@Antifrost]

I like the idea, I just don't know if they'd necessarily kill people to get their way. With the way Guzma acts in both the games and the anime, he's not evil. He'll definitely cause a huge ruckus and disrupt the Island Challenge system, but I see them as more likely to install themselves into power rather than kill the people in charge. The end result is the same as you described - everything becomes Po Town because they're not really concerned with long-term stuff, as long as they're having a good time.

[@dragonjames4500]

Team plasma and team rocket would basically have a never ending war.

[@w1ndgeneral226]

Oh THAT would be cool.

[@neosolitudexevermore4895]

Team Plasma would DESTROY Team Rocket.

[@kinglyzebra6417]

Considering the aftermath of the "1000 year war" we heard about in X and Y, I wonder what "Ultimate Weapon 2.0" would be constructed by Team Plasma and the effects it would have (aside from mass destruction)

[@John-Stark]

​@@kinglyzebra6417I unironically see Ghetsis firing the weapon like a madman

[@andreatheradiodragon7578]

​@@John-StarkImagine that weapon, powered by Yveltal/Xerneas and Zekrom/Reshiram, used by Ghetsis, that would be neat

[@crossknight1490]

I like how every scenario is "this is what WOULD have happened" and then is team Aqua/Magma: - They succeed and the legendary awakens. Then Rayquaza, a pokemon they didn't even know existed, stops it ans that's it, end of the journey. - IF Rayquaza is not there, they die like in the animated series Generations. - IF they control the Pokémon, they break the natural balance and destrot the world, so team Aqua kills all pokemon (and fails) or team Magma errases all the land and make the planet uninhabitable (and fails). There is literally no scenario where they do what they want and make even the slightest profit out of it lmao

[@azerty1933]

That's why they are my favorite vilains, the whole plan is just so stupid it's good And compared to most recent vilains they actually feel like bad guys you have to stop, after team flare there has been no actual team worth fighting (although the aether Fondation was a nice change which i liked)

[@eliasgonzalez5357]

Except Lysander, he straight up just fires the ultimate weapon and kills everyone, no ifs, no would’ve’s, no nothing, just fired and new world

[@adammartinez8061]

Also “Those who refuse to release their Pokemon get struck down.” Im looking at you ash and your companions.

[@samhershey4644]

Plasma also failed to take something else in to consideration Some trainers treat their Pokemon so well the Pokemon consider them friends and would willingly fight for them. Example: Let's say Ash was in the games and released all of his Pokemon, but then wanted to fight N. I have no doubt in my mind Pikachu, Charizard, Pigeot and Butterfree would WILLINGLY fight alongside Ash despite not being his Pokemon any more

[@monst3r_child832]

also greninja

[@THINKMACHINE]

Plus all the other motivations pokemon might have for working with a human. It's blatantly obvious that they get a _lot_ more out of it than just good company. I'd fully expect a large portion of them to react quite literally: "oh, I'm free, okay... so what's for dinner?"

[@dragonaura6698]

Also like all of the trainers with friendship evolutions, do I need to say more?

[@CantusTropus]

They're fanatics, they probably assume that anyone who opposes them are inherently evil. Either that, or they simply don't think that things could possibly NOT go the way they expect them to in their heads.

[@F1areon]

They'd probably assume the Pokemon were hopelessly brainwashed by their trainers if they STILL stuck with them after being released, and thus move in to euthanize them or something. @@CantusTropus

[@StickMaster500]

Would really love a future Pokémon game to revolve around the villains winning and achieving their goals. A Team Rocket Kanto/Johto would be a dream for me!

[@zaleww5824]

rainbow rocket basically

[@Jetfox967]

Episode RR in a nutshell.

[@Johnsechuan]

Maybe pokemon neo ghetsis is a fun fakemon region series for you to watch!

[@Flizz0]

ME TOO I love Giovanni so I’d love to see that :3

[@joshuaford417]

theres a rom hack about the team rocket thing thats fairly popular thats kinda like that

[@franknova987]

In a way, Cyrus found an alternative when he gets Darkrai in Masters EX, plunging himself and everyone in the Pasio region into a deep, emotionless sleep whit Darkrais power Took the majority of the sinnoh cast to stop him

[@eshasunrise]

What's ridiculous is if Rose had just called his little brother and asked him what he's up to, he would've learned about Regileki and Regidrago, two immortal golems literally made of energy who just love sitting in caves and emitting huge amounts of power, perfect for solving that energy crisis 1000 years in the future he was so worried about. But no. He just had to piss off Peony and cut all contact. Freaking dumbass.

[@Eric6761]

Worst part, it's not like Rose couldnt investigate better

[@sakonan4883]

Family problems are complicated. The conflict was two sided where Peony was also jealous and resentful of the praise and attention Rose got from their parents and everyone. Peony was so resentful that when he learned Rose became the League’s chairman, he quit being a champion right away and packed up and left. Peony could easily just not pick up the phone.

[@eriklazo5499]

I mean his an idiot what more can you expect from him XD

[@elderliddle2733]

The point of Rose was gamefreak making fun of climate alarmism in Europe. Essentially, Rose has so little faith in humanity that he wants to solve an issue that may not actually be an issue when the time comes. He didn’t think humanity would be able to progress and evolve in that massive amount of time.

[@sakonan4883]

@@elderliddle2733 I feel like his motive would have been easily fixed if his logic is that an increasing population will mean more energy being used and energy being used faster, which is logical, because if there’s more people, there’s more people who need to use energy. Another easy fix would be that the region really relies on energy and suddenly losing all their energy would be catastrophic.

[@V2KH6187]

Imagine a pokemon game in a region ruled by the evil team. You play as the male/female protagonist as always and at the endgame, you beat the villain with the help of the gym leader and other character to free the region. This could be sick.

[@AvengedToni]

I'm making a romhack where Team Magma seizes power in Hoenn and it's up to you and Team Aqua to stop them before they destroy the world. So it's kinda like what you described.

[@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441]

or it would be more sick if we could play as the villian not including the hack lol

[@HighPriestFuneral]

From a technical sense, that is the idea in Pokemon Colosseum, so much of the Orre Region is already under the thumb of Cipher from top to bottom.

[@w1ndgeneral226]

I could see that as the alternative timeline where team plasma and Ghetsis succeeded as was hinted at pokemon ultra sun and moon.

[@mikaruyami]

​@@HighPriestFuneral Cipher influence and financial backing, that we know of, was 1. Enough fund research to create shadow Pokémon. 2. Control and ownership of the battle arenas as well as construction of a faint collusuem. 3. Has ties to control the local office of government.(or in their case their case put one of their own high ranks there) 4. Hiring another team to do their dirty work. 5. Enough funds to literally acquire legendaries. 6. After being thwarted once, being able to return later 10 years later and not only doing most of it all again, but also improving.

[@ale-xsantos1078]

Being fair to Ghetsis He wanted to be King of Unova first, then the world, and nobody would get to "re-catch" their pokémon because Team Plasma who's loyal to him would catch them first ensuring his rule We also seen that he turned Kyurem into a flying nuke cannon in BW2 so he most likely would have done that with Reshiram/Zekrom, his team also made Genesect into a Mewtwo-level threat and in BW you can also get the orbs for the Sinnoh Dragon Trio from his Shadow Triad PLUS the Master Ball Indicating that once he had Reshiram/Zekrom and was King of Unova he'd go after them in order to catch them with a master ball and use them to conquer the world with an army of "Genesectized" pokémon And unlike with Cyrus, there would be no reason for either Giratina nor Arceus to interfer since he didnt intend to destroy the world he intended to rule, getting to essencially rule forever as long he avoided pissing off the literal God

[@irondragondxd3836]

Arceus never gets off its ass to do its own dirty work and fix the world. So I wouldn’t count on it stopping Cyrus.

[@zacmayes2802]

@@irondragondxd3836 Oh, there was a space-time rupture in the past? Ehh send in some 14 year old and I'll call it a day

[@chrisrpg2038]

Many people forgot about this, but Team Plasma was also after Victini, the Victory pokemon. And if they succeed, they would literally be unstoppable.

[@irondragondxd3836]

@@zacmayes2802 Yeah pretty much lol

[@irondragondxd3836]

@@chrisrpg2038 was that in the game? I know it was in the manga

[@midnight1978]

Funny enough Team Rainbow-Rocket actually had all the previous villains from other universes were they were successful with their plans

[@SorceressHalcy]

Ghetsis did have a contingency, he has the staff in Pokemon BW2 that says “You can’t use Pokéballs to catch Pokémon.” He would just jeed to create a world-wide version of that.

[@zimonzieclown1633]

I mean, Team Star already succeeded in their plans. They wanted to get rid of bullying at the Academy, which they did... eighteen months before the start of the game.

[@fernandoguillen5996]

Team star became the Bullies of bullies

[@WhiteDarkness3113]

Is Dobbs even aware that Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon where we meet the team villains (Minus Team Skull, Aethar foundation, Yell, Macro foundation and star) where they succeeded in their timelines and their success being a good is a terrible world to live in

[@christopherharrison4453]

Missed neo team plasma as well but covered neo team rocket.

[@Eric6761]

Lysander basicaly was only saved by Giovani machine meaning he would die

[@judaiyuki5597]

anyone else realize that scarlet and violet are the first games to start the game with a dead professor

[@quadq3285]

The only

[@koundy2004]

well it is also first game with having different professors which exclusive version you are playing

[@judaiyuki5597]

@@koundy2004 yes that too lol i miss the format of unova and kalos where there are ranks of evil teams and awesome battle styles (instead of solely 1 on 1) unova is probably my favorite :)

[@MariOmor1]

Also the first game where the professor is evil

[@judaiyuki5597]

@@MariOmor1 they were evil? i thought they were just stupid and accidentally released hell spawn pokemon

[@dakotaravenwood7755]

Problem with Team Star is they were successful in driving off the bullies, but then became the bullies and luring off students from the school. The Director was about to expell all of them. They got too big and too aggressive, even after they accomplished their goals which also got almost the entire previous staff of the school fired/quit.

[@yeetuszilla1663]

So they became the very thing they swore to destroy

[@dakotaravenwood7755]

@yeetuszilla1663 correct. SPOLIER WARNING!! The boss who started it realized their mistake and helps you take them down. They all realize it in the end.

[@Plagueis_The_Wise]

Another sh*t take about Star... Team Star were justified. The bullies were gaslighters with the bs rumors. Just like bullies in real life!

[@ThatAnArchyDude]

If Team Rocket had succeeded in the beginning, Giovanni would've seen most of the following evil teams as top threats to his legacy & either supported them while planning to double-cross them at the first advantageous opportunity OR had Team Rocket stop them.

[@potatootatop3434]

Imagine a game where you have to frantically defend a base from team Rocket during an all out assault, gives me chills thinking about it

[@remorasquill6236]

Actually, you can see Giovanni doing exactly that (but not controlling everything though) in Pokemon Masters EX. He just casually intercepts the other team's plans just to piss them off 😂

[@ThatAnArchyDude]

@@remorasquill6236 Noice!

[@neilstone9360]

So I did kind of something similar. So in a story I had been working on Ash is accidentally killed by Jessie and James they didn't mean to do it, but with him out of the picture everyone else gives up. Flash forward about 10 years and Jessie and James are the heads of Team Rocket. They aren't as evil as Giovanni so they let their grunts keep more powerful Pokemon that they have grown attached too since they remember having to give up their Unova Pokemon. Anyways everyone works for Tean Rocket now with them using Rocket points as a form of money that can be used to buy items and can be earned by work or beating other trainers. Now I basically took the idea of the Pokétch and tweaked it a bit. They have a watch that can connect with others and display their I.D. as well as transfer Rocket points and even works as a communicator and tracking device. Now anyone can be a grunt and join the academy at 10 graduating at 13 and depending on the number of Rocket badges you earn it will determine your rank as the students can take on the gyms and the Rocket league the winner becoming an executive right after graduating

[@talkingshounen14]

This is actually a pretty interesting scenario

[@theenderdestruction2362]

Why does this make me think they also have a little monument to ash they visit cause this makes me think they might have a bit of trauma thanks to that

[@lightyearpig12]

Team Magma: 7/10, too much water. Team Aqua: 7/10, too much land.

[@MercerSin]

If neo rocket succeeded, wouldn’t they still have to contend with red? I can’t imagine he’d hear about their reemergence and not be salty that Giovanni went back on his word to him.

[@exaltedfalcheon1793]

Yeah.

[@dylanzlol7293]

Unless neo rocket can catch and control mewtwo against red?

[@Shawnzy1]

He was at my silver

[@redwardranger7034]

Dobbs: If they succeed, Team Neo Rocket will be able to make Shiny Pokemon at will Some random genner: look at what they need to mimic a fraction of our power

[@Voicesofdoom_legacy]

Hey, if neo rocket can make shiny pokemon, I’d give them my support

[@redwardranger7034]

@Voicesofdoom_legacy As would I, my friend. I'm always gonna love Shiny Lapras ang Electivire

[@jeannepucelle]

Didn't AI Sada and Turo's plan already succeed not just in Paldea but for the entire pokemon world? In the distant future, at least in Violet's case, there are no more pokemon and it's possibly a dystopian place. The paradox pokemon in Violet that were originally flesh and blood and different types are now made up of Steel. Some of these pokemon are Iron Treads (Donphan), Iron Moth (Volcarona), Iron Hnads (Hariyama), Iron Jugulis (Hydregon), Iron Thorns (Tyranitar), Iron Bundle (Delibird) and Iron Valiant (a combination of Gardevoir and Gallade). Chairman Rose stated there will be a energy crises that will affect the Galar region in 1,000 years and in the remake of Ruby and Sapphire, there is a place hinted at being a safe zone in case a apocalypse happens. In Legensds, a character asks since your character came from the future, is there pokemon in it. One of the answers you can give is, '"No, its nothing like that"' stating there are no more pokemon. The second option is a happier answer saying pokemon are friends with everyone. Who's to say these two apocalypse events, plus your unhappy answer in Legends, are connected to Paldea's distant future problem in Violet thanks to both stupid original and their AI counterparts Sada and Turo? I hope Scarlet and Violet's DLC clears up this distant future problem.

[@BaconNuke]

A DLC based only around the distant future would not work with how Scarlet.. deals with the past... unless they go full hog and make two entirely different DLCs for each version.. which is not gonna happen...

[@tedxteddy]

I guess paradox Pokemon means that something happened in past or future which changed some Pokemon. Like making ttar which is was extent a robot Pokemon the world became unstable to live in or roaring moon has to adapt to the nature to become salamance but it didn't and it created a paradox timeline.

[@jeannepucelle]

@@tedxteddy I only hope it is for some Pokemon and not all. I love the Ralts evolution line so it's a shame if we get a robotic Ralts line in the future due to it not adapting to the environment. That is, if the devs want to go down that route.

[@jeannepucelle]

@@BaconNuke You don't know, the Pokemon world is slowly making its way into open world territory and we did have the two different DLCs, isle and tundra, in both Sword and Shield. Even if this is the Pokemon company we are taking about, they are changing its formula around so they might consider two DLCs to go with the two games to expand its lore or fix the paradox problem. Here's hoping anyway.

[@066kshitizvsingh4]

Tbf their is still that theory that Paradox Pokemon aren't from different parts of time but figments of the third legendary supposed ability to grant wishes/turn dreams into reality. And the time machine is just a convenient excuse for the 3rd legendary to use to create the paradox mons.

[@Digimonfan-w9o]

I like How Half the evil teams Have stupid plans Most of Them Have insane plans well

[@DharshM0]

It’s like these teams were an afterthought after GF created the new Pokémon for the region or something

[@starseeker3002]

Gamefreak would never ever ok something like this, but I would like to see an open world pokemon game set after a team magma/aqua victory where you explore the ecologically ruined world atop a rapidash/lapras that you befriend at the beginning of the game with the goal of finding the counterpart legendary (kyogre in team magma scenario, groudon in team aqua scenario) in order to bring the world back into balance

[@rigelestbit]

Make it a pokemon rangers game. I can see the plot fitting that kind of gameplay

[@Pikachu_Snivy_57]

That Would be nice

[@snintendog]

WATERWORLD or ENDLESS DESERT .... no thanks

[@pg13snipez]

Great Ruby and Sapphire Seas would be cool, but maybe have the ridables be there, and... OOOH maybe have it be a 2nd DLC where you stop a rampaging pokemon (Groudon or kyogre) with the help of the 2 leagues and maybe even a few champions before the sea swallows everything or all water is gone. And it would be a nice segway to introduce other mechanics and regions, be it coastal kalos, poni island, and a saved hoenn? who knows, maybe even a portion of unova.

[@pg13snipez]

GAMEFREAK I HAVE AN IDEA THAT WOULD SELL

[@thunderknight4149]

Got to love how Lysandre's inverntion, the holocaster, is just the holocausts but slightly alters.

[@13CrystalHeart]

Team Flare are basically Pokemon Nazis tbh. Their goal is genocide, the Holocaster = Holocaust thing, and they have a very secret police vibe to their team, since they listen in on Holocaster conversations, have some implied plainclothes agents, and have control over the media thanks to Malva.

[@japanpanda2179]

HOW DID I NOT NOTICE THIS BEFORE AAAAAA

[@herronariela7469]

if you're going to count every villain in the pokemon games, you're missing some, i know you're counting the main games but I'd like to see these Villains winning Team Cipher (Pokemon Colosseum) Team Din sun (pokemon ranger)

[@AnimeboyIanpower]

Team Cipher: World gets overrun by Shadow Pokémon. Team Dim Sun: Eternal Darkness with a side of Perpetually Hypnotized Pokémon

[@medichampion328]

Also the Miss Fortune Sisters from PLA.

[@AnimeboyIanpower]

@@medichampion328 They're thieves, plain and simple.

[@skullguy4863]

​@Medichampion328 they are petty thieves though so they really don't count

[@eliasgonzalez5357]

Huh, the Pokémon ranger I played had a team go go for villains, how many are there?

[@SorceressRose]

It’s honestly amazing they already explored the bad guys winning in US/UM with Team Rainbow Rocket basically being made up of team bosses that were successful with their goals. Not only that, but US/UM are in a similar universe, if not identical one to the new timeline with mega evolution, which includes ORAS, so if you think about it, two Archie’s and Maxie’s existed in the same world for a short time. The old and the new ones!

[@boocrimson7720]

Tbh Maxie's plan in using Groudon's drought effect WAS smart for his goal, using volcanos to make rocks in the giant masses of sea however, is not. But even if he used groudon to slowly dry all the water in hoenn it would have killed several pokemon and eventually starved and killed the people there (or at least made the region unlivable) and once it spread planetarily like it mentions everyone would eventually die of heatsroke dehydration or famine

[@jaxonhopkins2691]

“They would how control of mewtwo” mewtwo after massacring the grunts that went to catch it , “that was easier than I thought it would be”

[@TsuyoiTCG]

Pokémon USUM post game has the answer of this. Giovanni would be unstoppable, would be able to control the world, and now bored, decides to investigate interdimensional traveling, finds out it's a thing, and the rest is story.

[@phoenix5054]

I desperately wanted to say YES to joining Team Rocket on that Nugget Bridge.

[@jakohara6789]

I ain't even gonna lie, Sada and Turo's plans actually sound totally awesome and I can completely get behind, kinda sounds like what Jurassic World Dominion should have been

[@flarestorm9417]

Listening to some of these plans, I imagine a Spider-Man: No Way Home situation where the Rainbow Rocket villains discuss their plans and realize they were all about to die.

[@sufx0845]

Can you do that with other pokemon spinoff too ? It could be really interesting.

[@morayfrye]

I would like to see what Cipher would have done if they succeeded. Their whole goal was kinda dark for a Pokemon game and I would like to see the outcome.

[@MrKlausbaudelaire]

Imagine the outcomes for the Mystery Dungeon series…

[@eliasgonzalez5357]

Mystery dungeon…. Everything just stops, Pokémon ranger everything goes to hell with the climate disaster your welcome

[@fernandoguillen5996]

@@MrKlausbaudelaire Red and Blue: The meteorite (aka Deoxys) kills every pokemon except rayquaza and the ones who lives in sky tower. Time, Dark and Sky: The time fully stops and Grovyle's future stays the same or worse than we saw in game

[@superdawge808]

I love your theory videos! Very nice predications

[@Naotosbiggestfan24]

Finally, I know who is / was a team rocket member in manga.

[@iceberg0404]

The Kanto gym leaders being apart of team rocket in the manga blew my mind. I just learned something new and nothing else I learn today is gonna top that.

[@kobesmith8054]

I feel like any major threats that could harm the world and by extension Kalos. Zygarde would try to put an end to it.

[@rmt3589]

9:32 There are so many Pokemon that WANT to be with their trainers, sometimes without even being captured. Many people would have a team of 1-4 still. The whole "If it comes back, it's meant to be" part is the saying. And fun fact, many champions have an extremely close bond with their Pokemon. Cynthia might lose Spiritomb, but that's it. She's not gonna kick them out when they keep following her, unless Manatee laws are in place for all Pokemon.

[@knowvoid9958]

You get expanded lore on all villains in Pokemon Masters EX, huge lore is there.

[@barrylander8317]

Timestamps: 0:11 Team Rocket 2:36 Team Neo Rocket 3:52 Team Aqua & Magma 5:54 Team Galactic 8:02 Team Plasma 9:40 Team Flare 10:50 Team Skull, The Aether Foundation & Team Rainbow Rocket 12:24 Team Yell & Chairman Rose 13:52 Volo 15:06 Team Star & Professor Sada + Turo

[@RadenWA]

“The Elite Four is clearly against Team Rocket” *Meanwhile in the Pokemon Manga*

[@dustydd]

Every other version of Lance: Friend :) Manga Lance: TERRORISM LETS GOOOOOOOO

[@barrybend7189]

With Ghetsis he even has a plan to control both the storage and by extension PokeBall system so only authorized people could catch Pokemon. And Ghetsis had plans to control the creation trio.

[@EvynTheBooksmith]

Actually, you could have made an entry for Team Star, but it would kind of nullify their existence in the first place. In this timeline, had Team Star succeeded, it would mean their bullies had been caught and expelled from the school. But the question then remains, would Team Star disband or would they stay friends? Would Penny come out of hiding and reveal her face, or would she stay hidden, afraid that she wouldn't live up to her friends' expectations of her? I believe Penny would become resentful, and bitter of her former friends, the people who missed her dearly in the main timeline, and hate them based on her own narrative that they would not like her for who she is. She would contact the player, as she does in the main timeline, and tell them to fight the former Team Star bosses, based on some lie she made up. In reality, she wants the player to humiliate the bosses in front of everyone, in an act of petty revenge for something they never did. After the last boss falls she would gloat and monologues, talking about how friendship has no value and how it didn't help the bosses in the end. But as she speaks, the sudden realization that she feels empty would wash over her. She realise her "revenge" did not make her happy like she thought it would, and to make matters worse she would be confronted by her former friends who would ask her how she could even begin to believe her plan was a good idea. They would call her out as being the very thing she fought against in the first place when she formed Team Star, a bully, which would devastate Penny and she leaves Paldea to never return again. I don't find that story as satisfying as what we got, but I can't deny it does sound like a story Pokémon would have made in the past.

[@garchompgamer1874]

Everyday is a good day when Dobbs posts videos

[@lexieve4325]

I loved this one. Thank you!!! I hope you keep making new videos. Your thoughts are awesome and really entertaining!

[@DeathAxe09]

I am pretty certain that Ghetsis did in fact have a contingency plan based on the fact that he was in possession of the Adamant, Lustrous and Griseous orbs as is seen in the post-game when the shadow triad gives the player character those items as Ghetsis instructed them to do.

[@firstnamelastname8006]

Never realized how much I had in common with Volo.

[@Jassygirljassy]

4:38 Fun fact there's a fnf mod where may failed to stop team aqua, and the flood drowns everyone, including May's pokemon except her roselia which uses the move ingrain on her and may while they drowned at the bottom of the sea where light is never seen again.

[@bloodystatic4156]

If 1 pearl=1,000 Pokédollars, and is sold at a low price, then this equates to $100 US dollars, which is the real life lowest price for a pearl. Therefore, 1000 Pokédollars divided by 100 US Dollars=10. Therefore, 10 Pokédollars=1 US Dollar. Therefore, joining Team Flare, 5,000,000 Pokédollars divided by 100 US Dollars= $50,000

[@irondragondxd3836]

Pokedollars are a dubbed game thing, in the manga there is no such thing as pokedollars. It’s only Yen.

[@skullguy4863]

Technical pokedollers equal yen But I like the way you did it a little more

[@someteennamedcharles2035]

Giratina: Dad! Why aren't you stopping that human that's obviously a villain!? He's planning on controlling my siblings so he destroy the universe and make a new one to rule in. Arceus: shush, I'm just curious to see what he'll do. Now go to your room, everything's fine.

[@FishronCatFurryBoi]

Lysandre Tried to warn us about modern society, No wonder why he is this way, he predicted the future, I can, no We can relate to him now

[@sp10482]

They should make a game based on Paldea where the paradox pokemon actually live in the main land and as we are already familiar with the land it would be nice to see how it would look like destructed. This idea would make a great 18+ game due to massive destruction and violence which E-rated pokemon won't do. lol

[@jackepicspeederwolfaj2294]

dont forget that if lysandre's plan succeeds, then his plan would basically fail, because without much oxygen (the 100 something people at team flare arent enough), the world would just become a wasteland

[@Eric6761]

Even then let's just say Team flare is with 1 million of members, who is going to admnister the eletricity? Produce food? Farm for vegetables? Or even medical assistance? Because the profile of Team Flare is the trainer soo i heavily doubt they would have many people in key areas to mantain life working

[@agatha6999]

Well with Xerneas they’d probably be fine, just not particularly comfortable

[@trueredpanda1538]

But the machine wouldn't destroy the whole world. It never did inn the 1st place, so he would have to shot that thing multiple times. It even destroys itself with a shot (probably not maxed out power) so I doubt he would be able to destroy the whole world.

[@snintendog]

uhh Oxygen? Sorry Team flare was the genocidal maniac for beauty guys not team Aqua.

[@open-rhythm]

I don't entirely believe Team skull would be after money; I just think they want to stop everybody else from completing the island challenge. I it is said they're just island challenge mis-fits that want nothing more then to stop the island challenge altogether. Outside of this, They're pretty reasonable; Even as far as to heal you're pokemon in Po town.

[@nightpups5835]

what is crazy, is that there are irl people who support team flares ideas

[@blksheepramirez]

GENIOUS idea for a video Dobbs! Enjoyed it

[@lopunbunbun]

Volo wouldn't capture arceus and discover myths, he would most likely just make or change the world so that everything negative no longer exists. Why would he capture Arceus, what does he get out of that?

[@rjfrost7090]

12:32 As a Marnie stan, this just sounds like the best world to live in.

[@warcloudff]

I love the Mario 64 sound track in the video :) Unless I'm mistaken but it sounds super similar :) Hail Team Rocket! :)

[@Flizz0]

Yesyes I love team rocket :3

[@vlalcremie002]

Hail team Sky

[@superk9letsplays419]

​@@vlalcremie002 a man of culture

[@vlalcremie002]

@@superk9letsplays419 I'm a Pokémon, actually, and I'm female, but I appreciate the compliment nonetheless. Thank you

[@RandomBadAnimator]

14:17 "And what tickled my piclle more stongly than anything-" -Volo

[@yourlocalvaltordefender]

I laughed too much at this comment

[@rjfrost7090]

An idea I for a Pokémon villain was one who wanted to become the Champion of their region, so to that end they started an evil team to help them hunt down and capture powerful Pokémon that would allow them to be the strongest in the region. They wouldn't necessarily be strictly evil, more power-driven and overly ambitious. Perhaps going after Legendary Pokémon with little care to what danger to the world their actions would cause or deciding another Trainer's Pokémon has the right potential to be part of their Champion Team could be where it starts becoming more clear why they're so evil. Though they wouldn't necessarily have their subordinates steal people's Pokémon, they'd coerce/manipulate people into giving up their Pokémon to them.

[@snowcloud8]

They did. It's called the team rainbow rocket post ending to Ultra Sun & Moon

[@Eric6761]

Not really, Maxie, Archie and Lysander are implied to almost die to their plans but were taken by Team rainbow rocket

[@snowcloud8]

@@Eric6761 lol I just realized that pokemon beat Marvel's Spiderman No Way Home plot by years XD

[@theamazingspooderman2697]

4:45 I forgot how much of a baddie Shelly was

[@johnszymanski247]

While we’re on the subject, I’ve got some great ideas for Evil teams in Pokémon. Team Unversed, Team Legend, Team Paradox, Team Holon, and Team Aesthetica!

[@vlalcremie002]

Interesting. What do they do?

[@johnszymanski247]

@@vlalcremie002 idk about team unversed, legend, or paradox, team holon does evil stuff with terastalization.

[@SavePriconneEN]

Buried alive should also be part of or lead an evil team

[@vlalcremie002]

@@SavePriconneEN nah, I think he'd work better as a solo villain

[@AnimeboyIanpower]

@@vlalcremie002 Defeat him and a cutscene plays where he lunges at the player only to get one-shot by a Bullet Seed attack from the rival, causing Buried Alive to return to the dust of the earth.

[@TheOGButterfreeguy]

I enjoy the Team Yell ending 😂 I want that plan to succeed!

[@CloutmasterPhluphyy]

Chairman Rose was definitely the kid that got scared when his parents told him the earth will get absorbed by the sun in billions of years

[@fredwardv6988]

The Indigo Plateau Elite Four from the Manga would definitely work with Team Rocket.

[@Guffy1234]

Chairman Rose did not want to make Leon capture Eturnitis and stop any energy problems on the future! He wanted to destroy Galar so he could make the future a better place, or so he thought

[@taylormcinnes3857]

team flare could’ve been an amazing evil team but they were shockingly executed

[@JackPackage]

This is one of my fav videos you've done

[@VulpineFox7]

The team yell one sounds like a child's description of their pokemon fanfic

[@SirAthiro]

"I'll read what he said..." "... And what tickled my pickle..." WAIT WHAT?! 😂😂😂

[@tylerdecker3306]

Lysander is a sociopath not a psychopath. He is well aware of his actions and his contempt for human life is comparable to any real world tyrant. On another note team yell are basically football hooligans.

[@AquilesMaster]

if you give it a thought you'll realize that Rainbow Rocket actually succeeded in their plans. The traveler Giovanny recruited villian bosses from multiple regions from multiple realities as his officers, each of them with their respective legendary pokemon. Rainbow Rocket just keep wandering across realities doing their bussines. In the 7th gen games we just happened to beat them and at the end Giovanny just leaves the place with a smile on his face, probably seeking for a different reality where Lusamine suceeded, to recruit her to work under him as he did with other bosses. With infinite realities, infinite posibilities are open so he can afford to quit realities where troublesome geniuses are troubling his plans and focus only on those he can control. He'd leave with new knowledge for the next invasion and at some point they'd be just unstoppable anywhere Rainbow Rocket's Giovanny is the ultimate boss from any multiverse

[@kaotic300]

team magma's awesome because volcanoes! 🌋 although i would be cool with Team Yell succeeding in making Marnie & Morpeko the main characters of the anime

[@dylanbuchanan6511]

Team Aqua/Magma: “I want to flood the world/get rid of all water on Earth. Who will join me?” *everyone just looks at him as if he crapped his pants for how stupid that sounded*

[@goatieben7387]

I think if Team Yell succeeded, I don’t think Marnie would want to be champion. She’s looking for a real challenge, and not a bunch of people who will help her cheat.

[@TheBohobemeister]

Wonderful video!

[@soundmind38]

•The Kanto Elite four are team rocket in the manga too. Edit: Terrorist* •I'm next sure why he just doesn't say the evil teams beat the legendary pokemon instead of them not caring.

[@jointser1008]

team flare have a member in the E4 too

[@magnus5747]

Weren't the kanto elite 4 just some terrorists (except for Bruno). Haven't read it in a while but I don't remember if they were connected to team Rocket (some gym leaders were tho).

[@Gliched_1]

@Magnus in the manga, lance had the plan to kill all humans for the sake of pokemon, as he only ever encountered abused pokemon in his childhood. So, yea, more or less

[@agatha6999]

The Kanto E4 definitely werent Team Rocket in the manga, the Team Rocket gym leaders fought alongside Yellow and Red to stop them because Team Rocket was included in the humans they planned to wipe out.

[@jonahlee1153]

"And what tickled my pickle" that's why this is my second favorite Pokemon chanel

[@GamingG4276]

If I may Dobbs, you forgot someone. Mikey, (Mandjtv) leader of Team sky. If he wins, he will expand the sky. With all the consequences that come with it.

[@vlalcremie002]

Those consequences would actually be good: with an expanded atmosphere, pollution would have less effect over the earth, increasing the quality of life. So, Team Sky's plan would actually be great for all people and Pokémon

[@vlalcremie002]

And I'm not saying this because I am part of Team Sky. Not at all

[@sagacious03]

Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!

[@lilharm]

technically speaking, team Star succeeded they stopped the bullies at the school as best they could, and, after explaining they’re situation to the principal, got off with a slap on the wrist (even the Boss’s punishment only came from their illegal actions unrelated to affiliation with team Star)

[@melskunk]

Looking forward to when Raifort is revealed to be an evil mastermind in the DLC

[@peepoweird]

That woman is legitimately crazy, sending a 14 year old child to release treasures of ruin that can bring carnage upon the continent.

[@isaaccabal7054]

Thanks for doing this!

[@preheatinggobble]

I hope if Italy gets a region they do a mafia based evil team

[@Pokéfan1388]

Pokémon regions based on countries is just very weird.

[@skyecolu]

​@@Pokéfan1388... You mean like, 99% of the past ones?

[@realkekz]

>Team Rocket >Mobsters who want to gamble and racketeer in a wacky and wonderful Pokemon world >Team Galactic >Leader is dragged down to hell by a chaos god for trying to erase the entire universe Weird games

[@terriblemovierecreations]

In generation 3, you forgot the most powerful team, team sky, they would expand the sky.

[@AnimeboyIanpower]

They don't have a dedicated game for their evil scheme to take place in, so that's why Dobbs didn't include 'em.

[@ronidutta]

"Tickled my pickle" 14:17

[@homeruncjyt]

These are some cool theories