What If GOKU fought GOHAN at the Cell Games? | Dragon Ball Z

What if the Cell Games were a normal tournament?
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By the end of the Cell Saga in Dragon Ball Z the two strongest characters are clearly Super Saiyan 2 Gohan and Super Perfect Cell. However, if we roll the clock back a bit to the time where Gohan didn’t have Super Saiyan 2 yet. The time when Goku and Gohan first exit the Time Chamber or when they first arrive at the Cell Games - we find a weird contention when it comes to who’s the stronger of the father-son duo. To be honest though, I’m not sure why.
So let’s make a change to the Cell Games. Instead of everyone versus Cell, the Tournament is instead a bracket system. The bracket is set up in a way that would allow Goku and Gohan to meet in the finals. The winner of the Tournament has the “honor” of fighting Cell for the fate of the Earth and its people. Now I don’t think there’s any contention that Gohan and Goku would be the strongest two in the bracket. Just in case there is, even as just a Super Saiyan, Gohan at full power shocked everyone present at the Cell Games and even had Vegeta basically questioning his entire existence. I don’t want to dive too deep into the power scaling there because I’ll be talking about Super Saiyan Gohan more in a little bit.
Back to the main topic, as I said before, there is contention on who would win if Super Saiyan Gohan and Super Saiyan Goku fought. No Super Saiyan 2 - just their mastery over the original Super Saiyan form and their own raw power. So let's look at the feats, the statements, and most importantly the narrative to find out who would win.
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[@CarthusDojo]

Leave a comment on who YOU think will win and why? Remember - NO Super Saiyan 2!

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Son Gohan

[@garysnyder6414]

I believe it should end similar to kid goku vs Jackie Chung aka master Roshie.they are about the same as power level it should come down to ki use and techniques.

[@DB-Fighter-Carson]

So wait why are they fighting? Gohan mad at goku for parenting reasons?

[@priestesslucy]

@@garysnyder6414 same power level? Pffft

[@Luro_fu]

@@DB-Fighter-Carson well probably because cell is the referee of the cell games and the match is goku vs gohan Like U6 Tournament Arc

[@SaladSaiyan]

I missed the premiere. Shameful. Thanks for having me on!

[@calebnj4694]

Don't worry, you arrived at the perfect time.

[@calvinkopp1735]

You and Carthu need to collab at the very least once to satisfy us:)

[@Sword_Man_YT]

How could you Salad… lol

[@sladewarrior5562]

you sound different. I actually like it. :)

[@emmanuelbrunson2152]

Do a collaboration

[@ChaddyFantome]

I'm surprised people think Goku was just lying about not being able to beat Cell. Even in the anime, he has that moment where after he tells everyone he doesn't think he can beat him and they tell him maybe he should go back on the chamber, he instead spends the days leading up to the Cell Games just spending time with his family. Goku of all people. To me it made it pretty clear that Goku was making the most of what time they had left in the event that Gohan wasn't able to pull through on his plan because he knew he couldn't win.

[@chiefbawor_thegr8966]

I think they goes by the scene of Goku's Warp Kamehameha where it destroys a good chunk of Cell's body (before you know, the unnecessary Nucleus thing)

[@Last_Respecter]

Yeah he def was not lying. Cell detected towards the end of their fight that Goku wasn’t holding back anymore. The instant kamehameha was full power too. However, we know Cell was holding back Vs Goku still, he doesn’t power up fully till Gohan goes SSJ 2 Also rest and recovery is a major part of Goku’s training philosophy. He mentions that spending more time in the HTC won’t make him stronger anymore for now. It’s just unnecessary stress on the body after a certain point, teasing Vegeta when Vegeta says Goku is pussying out of more training 1-2 days before the cell games.

[@esthetics4512]

@@jarpo64 yep

[@priestesslucy]

@@jarpo64 do you honestly think Goku didn't want to beat Cell if he could? Goku hit a plateau, one he didn't believe he could break even with another year of painstaking training.

[@jarpo64]

@@priestesslucy obviously not, i said he backed down because he knew gohan could go super saiyan 2

[@Godzilla00X]

"Stand back, Cell. I'll get this boy to bring out his hidden power. Piccolo, hand me your belt"

[@veljkokravic15]

that will just give cell PTSD 🤣

[@123GOHANZ]

I always thought it was obvious with how blatant the story was that Gohan in the Cell Saga was stronger than Goku even without SSJ2. He literally saw his dad fight at full power and Gohan was genuinely unimpressed by it because he was using himself as a reference

[@michaelq4965]

This goes against all training logic in the DBZ universe. In order to get stronger, you have to struggle and push yourself. How can Gohan just naturally surpass Goku while only pushing himself at Goku's level in the time chamber? Some amount of natural potential sure, could explain Gohan being slightly stronger. But to be overwhelmingly stronger, nah it doesn't make sense unless Gohan did extra training without Goku which Gohan has really never ever done in his life.

[@123GOHANZ]

@@michaelq4965 It’s not just “some amount of natural potential” that Gohan possesses, it’s _a lot._ He’s a fighting prodigy that has been consistently stated to have far greater potential than other fighters with prodigal talent like Goku or Vegeta. Literally after being amped by God Ki, an energy source that drastically increases a users strength compared to ordinary ki, both of them and Piccolo acknowledge Gohan’s potential _still_ surpasses theirs. Like, I can not put into words how utterly broken it is especially now with what we’ve seen in Dragon Ball Super. And who’s to say he only pushed himself at Goku’s level? We know in the anime they sparred against each other, but at the same time we can see Gohan training all on his lonesome just so he could push himself harder. Then there’s the fact that the Hyperbolic Time Chamber is an extremely hostile place to point where it can be physically and mentally taxing just being there. All of this plus his natural talent makes it completely possible for him to be that far ahead.

[@michaelq4965]

@@123GOHANZ Like Piccolo's comments in Super are almost purely fan service. It is a What If that will never happen just to make fans happy. I am not sure if you mean Goku and Vegeta said it. How do I know Gohan only pushed himself at Goku's level? Because even after the entire Cell arc Gohan still thinks Goku is stronger than he is. If Gohan was fighting at his best like you guys say, then he'd be pushing Goku and winning but for some reason he still thinks Goku is much stronger than he is. I'm not saying Gohan can't be stronger than Goku and win in the time chamber, but if the gap was that massive, Gohan would have had to pick up on it.

[@123GOHANZ]

@@michaelq4965 Piccolo’s statement would be fanservice if it wasn’t for the fact that Goku and Vegeta acknowledged it as well. Prior to the Tournament of Destroyers Vegeta suggested Gohan come along and outright says “Why not Gohan? Certainly you realize your son has the most latent ability of all the fighters we know.” To which Goku agrees with, however, he also states that Gohan’s retirement made him rusty making him unfit for the tournament so they opt to bring Piccolo instead. Remember, they made this statement _after_ training with Whis and learning to use God Ki. Their potential should’ve sky rocketed since then and yet they believe his potential still surpasses their own. I will admit it doesn’t make a little sense that he still thinks Goku is still stronger than himself but at the same time Carthu did point out that Gohan puts Goku on a pedestal. It’s to the point where even though Gohan gets to sense Goku’s power he still thinks his dad is holding back. We can argue whether or not he trained as hard, if not harder, than Goku but it doesn’t change the fact that he was just that far ahead but genuinely thought so highly of Goku that Gohan believed he was weaker.

[@dreemurrprince]

@@michaelq4965Gohan DID pick up on it, but he was in denial. Goku’s half power showcase against korin BAFFLED gohan, he couldnt possibly comprehend how much stronger than goku he ACTUALLY was. Likewise, the battle with Goku Vs Cell didnt impress gohan at all, implying that he was sure Goku and Cell were toying around despite Goku going ALL OUT. All things considered, he’s AWARE of the gap, but his self doubt limits his understanding and just makes him think Goku is lying when we KNOW he isnt because of his injuries vs cell and having no energy left, and having no reason to lie to korin.

[@priestesslucy]

As soon as Gohan believes in himself and goes all out, this is a stomp. The challenge is for Goku to get him to that point

[@gaspenpayne6755]

Nah, the challenge is gohan trying to finish goku fast, because if he doesn't finish goku fast enough goku will learn how to turn ssj2.

[@priestesslucy]

@@gaspenpayne6755 if Goku was able to learn SS2 at that time he would have. The one Goku saw the potential to beat Cell in wasn't himself.

[@gaspenpayne6755]

@@priestesslucy he can learn ssj2 at that point if sees gohan go ssj2, he can copy him. The only reason goku hasn't gone ssj2 yet is because he doesn't know how to go ssj2, back in the time chamber he's been thinking ways to go beyond super saiyan but he can't come up with anything.

[@priestesslucy]

@@gaspenpayne6755 first, Goku almost certainly doesn't have the power threshold to break open SSJ2 yet. Second- assuming he managed to get Gohan to go all out- he wouldn't get the chance to see it because he gets overpowered by FPSSJ Gohan

[@gaspenpayne6755]

@@priestesslucy you seriously think someone like goku who's always battling way way stronger opponents than him will immediately get overpowered by a slightyly more powerful gohan?

[@SaiyanMotion]

Gohan gets the W. Goku and cell both mention that I believe and Gohan thought that Goku was only warming up in his fight against cell.

[@najeebshah.]

Ah no Goku would body him, huge skill difference, gohan performed worse against cell than goku did

[@sashanksriram8942]

@@najeebshah. not really. Goku was going all out against cell and gohan had no trouble keeping up with him so much so that he thought goku was holding back.

[@SaiyanMotion]

@@najeebshah. cell got a senzu bean and went all out on gohan because he wanted to unlock his hidden power

[@shapedlike____7305]

@@najeebshah. Gohan initially performed worse against Cell because he didn't want to fight or kill Cell, not because Goku has more skill.

[@randomguy1401]

@@sashanksriram8942 Cell wasn't going all out

[@jamainegardner4193]

In the Anime they make that even more clear by having King Kai say Gohan when he _initially_ powered up was stronger than Goku. Even with the skill/experience gap Gohan would definitely whoop Goku. Hell, even if Goku ate a Senzu Bean after Cell's fight I still think Gohan wins.

[@spoof2062]

So is this basically what if the cell games was an actual tournament?

[@CarthusDojo]

yep!

[@mark_the_g]

Oh. My. God. I never expected a collaboration of my two favourite Dragonball content creators, or at least any time soon. That was truly an exciting video to watch, good job!

[@Gneodoros]

That "Special Guest" at the end was hilarious

[@reptilian_geneticist]

Gohan was already significantly stronger than Goku in SSJ... Gohan thought Goku was holding back against Cell because Gohan was scaling Goku to himself... this would be an easy win for Gohan 💯 It would be very similar to Goku vs Cell

[@priestesslucy]

I like to compare it to Goku vs Radditz

[@nlc2566]

In this case I see no way gohan looses but if gohan went into a fight blind with goku it can go either way honestly. But since goku and gohan trained and fought each other for an entire year gohan would beat goku here mid diff

[@Jiron127]

You mean barely. The manga clearly just mentioned that in the video lol. Cell started fighting Gohan at the level he was equal with goku. Once realizing Gohan was faster than Goku's level. He increased his speed to the same level he did. When he started gaining the advantage over goku. Gohan was overwhelmed in a similar fashion to goku. If fpssj goku = 21.5, fpssj gohan = 22.5. cell using increased speed, probably a 25. Full power cell = 30. Keep in mind, ss2 is only a 2x's multiplier. Ss2 gohan = 45. Spc = 42 to 45

[@noire.blackheart]

What's up with all this misinformation about Gohan's SSJ2 not being obtained until he meets Cell? He unlocked SSJ2 in the hyperbolic time chamber already which is why Goku was so cocky about him defeating Cell.

[@priestesslucy]

@@noire.blackheart Goku knew that Gohan had SS2 in his pocket yes, but Gohan did have enough power to defeat Perfect Cell even without it. He just lacked the Will

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

I can imagine Gohan taking his frustrations out on Goku in this fight. Also, Gohan has a greater potential.

[@najeebshah.]

Goku would body him, huge skill difference, gohan performed worse against cell than goku did

[@nayan.punekar]

@@najeebshah. well till he turned ssj2

[@Luro_fu]

@@nayan.punekar Carthu said no ssj2

[@williamgolston5399]

Don't buy into the "greater potential" nonsense. Until he does it, it will always be "potential."

[@ameerkhan3257]

@@najeebshah. only because gohan didnt want to fight cell. Gohan would have no trouble fighting goku

[@akumoknight6506]

I’m curious what if you do “What if people know who the Z fighters are?” It probably doesn’t effect much of the story but I’d still like to see what you come up with if you did do this

[@ck0375]

They kinda are because of the reporter in the cell games

[@brownie6452]

Man, I love the idea, it would probably have a great effect if you take in consideration Tien, Krillin, Yamcha, superhumans that are martial artists( Who could become masters and teach peoole like in Dragon Ball Online and Tien in SUPER) or even Goku as the winner of the tournament and student of Roshi ( Big name in martial arts). And knowing the love for hercule and even obsession with him, I'm sure it would change a lot, specially if Goku makes money by winning tournaments, Chichi would not be so problematic with Gohan and in fact she would probably make him train so he can keep winning tournaments after his father "retires", and keep the money and fame Goku would have in the place of Hercule. You had a great idea man, congratulations, I hope he sees this or even another what-if youtuber, I really want to see one like this.

[@bloop364]

@@ck0375 I think more like what if the world saw Gohan beat cell like the camera never broke so they had more to go off of than just Hercule saying I won I'm the champ

[@mishtamoose8308]

@@ck0375 They know of their existence, but they don't know how strong they are. If they did, they wouldn't worship Mr.Satan as much

[@priestesslucy]

@@mishtamoose8308 as far as they know, in their darkest hour the one who saved them was Satan, not them. Unless his reputation was simultaneously dragged through the mud, their strength wouldn't diminish him by much. He's the one who got it done when they were down bad

[@Missnerdfan]

I want to say it's Gohan because if we're not counting Super Saiyan 2 in story-wise I think he wins but I don't know if Goku is going to hold back

[@priestesslucy]

The real problem is Gohan not believing he can win. Goku literally can't beat Super Saiyan Grade 4 Gohan at this point in the story. There's too much power gap to make up with his skill superiority. Gohan is a monster

[@reynoldnjoku9735]

The only way goku would beat gohan is by killing him with an instant kamehameha. And goku wouldn’t kill gohan. Yes goku is more of a genius when it comes to gohan by far his techniques are beyond better too but that’s not enough to beat gohan

[@priestesslucy]

@@reynoldnjoku9735 instant Kamehameha worked on a suppressed Cell. It's absolutely not going to work on an all-out Gohan lol. But yeah, if Goku gets him before the kid can properly align himself and his mental state, he could get a blitz kill

[@fadjabarry2022]

@@priestesslucy It depends if Gohan believes that he can win or not

[@Jiron127]

@@priestesslucy it's not that big a gap lol. It was rather questionable if he was stronger? He was, but it was tough to tell. Secondly gohan doesn't have the drive goku does. Hence why cell easily beat down fpssj gohan. Initially cell battled fpssj gohan at the level he was even in speed/power with goku. Cell then increased his speed. Which tired goku out. Cell needed it to catch the quicker than goku, gohan. That's the only evidence gohan > goku. If goku is a 21.5, gohan is 22.5. In all, goku would win.

[@furiousgamerxz5141]

What if Granola was sent to Earth, What if Gohan drank the Ultra Divine Water before or after entering the Time Chamber with Goku, What if Goku was the first "evolved" Saiyan (like the Universe 6 Saiyan's who are born without a tail and have more potential), What if Kami regained his youth when King Piccolo did, What if Goku had focused on himself in the time chamber instead of Gohan, What if when Elder Kai unleashed Gohan's potential he also turned Gohan into a Apprentice Kai, What if Goku Black got amnesia and turned good.

[@crablicker7155]

I like most of these ideas,although goku black has been covered to death by many people

[@bensoncheung2801]

"evolved"... LEAN GOKU!!! (even leaner that god)

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

The first one would actually be pretty good if written well but all the rest aren't very interesting, although the one where Goku trains himself instead of Gohan would just be funny and stupid as it goes against what he went in there for.

[@renitsukishe8740]

@@CerealExperimentsMizuki bruh. the evolve part was interesting. like imagine being the first catalyst of your once own former race cause you evolve to be a better version of it. evolve saiyans are better cause. freaking caulifla was still able to box out goku's super saiyan 1-3 even though she just recently unlocks super saiyan 1-2. meanwhile goku has tried perfecting it for years.

[@blakguyfromfortnite9340]

I’m pretty sure the ultra divine water was just tap water

[@dannylopez5976]

Gotta say, you got some of the best takes on what if scenario's. The perfect balance of grounded outcomes based on evidence and your own personal story telling for fun outcomes. I like Masako X, but his what ifs definitely fly to far into the fanfiction side. Qaaman and other are good but so grounded that realistically most what ifs end badly.

[@priestesslucy]

Something the fandom likes to forget. Super Saiyan 2 is _only a x2 boost over Super Saiyan Grade 4_ and Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, with one of his arms down and his power halved by the combination of physical damage and self doubt *was almost perfectly matched in a beam struggle with Super Perfect Cell,* only slowly losing ground. Cell Games Gohan is a beast.

[@youtuberguy123]

Cell was absolutely destroying gohan for most of that beam struggle until Vegeta distracted him. Also losing an arm doesn't correlate to half power. He could have just channeled all of his ki into one arm rather than splitting it across 2.

[@priestesslucy]

@@youtuberguy123 Did you miss the whole Crippling Self Doubt part? Mental State is a huge component of one's ability to utilize their power in Dragonball

[@vulgrim909]

@@priestesslucy he was self doubting himself before the beam struggle and its why he was losing to cell without help from Vegeta and the others, its why he wouldn't win against Goku bc power is only relative to the user, Gohans character literally does not allow him to go all out, he thinks Goku is stronger and he does not want to fight, Cell games Gohan is not a beast he is a coward the only people that think he is a beast is you Gohan fans that overhype a power he is too mentally weak and cowardly to use its like a Broly whimpering and crying infront of Goku Strength really means absolutely nothing if youre not even gonna use it which is why he was never made the protagonist

[@AllMight6]

He also had a rage boost

[@phoenixfirebird4221]

Goku himself stated he was going all out in the original English dub. Cell however was holding back, despite being a little tired.

[@overheatedfrost8947]

Love it, also glad that Salad Saiyan got into this video today.

[@dungton6066]

I never thought people think this Goku is stronger than Gohan. I always thought Gohan was stronger than Goku at this point. But you know what I want to see Future Trunk vs Gohan who have more potential. Feats and all.

[@luvvsushi6581]

Same. I’d say the only way Goku could actually go against Gohan would be if kaioken was a factor but idk

[@KykyDJenkins]

6:10 I was thinking the same thing. Despite all the jokes; Gohan really loves his dad

[@Miguelnumbers]

Salad Saiyan: Did you really think you could do a video about the Cell games without me? Carthu's Dojo: I don't even know who the F*ck you are. "Gonna need a Senzu for that one..."

[@superfeuji9261]

Just wanted to say I've been following your channel for a while now and I think this new direction of video format suits you and your content perfectly, keep up the awesome work man and I can't wait for the next one!

[@Night-gw3oe]

I feel like Goku would just be trying to warm Gohan up rather than actually win the fight. Like you said, he’s not going to warp kamehameha and kill him. Narratively it makes no sense for Goku to try and take Gohan out, he is their best shot at defeating Cell, and I feel he would use the fight to build Gohan’s confidence going into the Cell fight.

[@priestesslucy]

At Gohan's peak, Instant Kamehameha doesn't even have the power to kill him. That worked on a suppressed Perfect Cell. Of course if Goku was bloodlusted and going for the kill at any cost, he could pull that move while Gohan is still full of self doubt and reluctance

[@Night-gw3oe]

@@priestesslucy you’re right, like unless he caught him off guard, and he wasn’t powered up. Good point

[@Grownupbobbyhill]

When goku said, "what do you say son? Go out there and win this one for me, then we can all go home" really sold it for me. It was like Goku knew Gohan didnt wanna fight and unleash his anger but it was the only way to save Earth and beat Cell

[@SimpleAsChris]

i would imagine Yamcha fighting Vegeta ya know, Yamcha outsmarting Vegeta in many ways, but vegeta still taking the win that would be a lit moment for yamcha

[@sarcasticsuperjerk18]

I’d actually love for it to be if Yamcha won by using the Spirit Ball and carrying Vegeta off the ring with it. Kinda fits with Vegeta’s whole thing in Z about people chipping away at his entitlement and taking the piss out of him when his arrogance gets overbearing, especially when Yamcha’s the weakest of the Z fighters there, it’d really break his ego. Best part is, it could realistically happen, Yamcha’s a trickster in battle and he knows how to beat a sensitive opponent like Vegeta via endless taunting. Of course in a non-tournament setting Yamcha would get blitzed, but in a tournament where you can alternatively win by knocking people off the stage Yamcha’s gonna take that chance and run with it.

[@vulgrim909]

@@sarcasticsuperjerk18 Yeah no this is Z you don't win with petty attacks with a very low powerlevel besides that I don't remember him using that to win against any opponent and its not like Vegeta is that dumb he isnt some generic arrogant character like we all know Yamcha would be pissing in his pants facing Vegeta like lets be real here youre just the common Vegeta hater bc men with an actual spine make you cry at night

[@sarcasticsuperjerk18]

@@vulgrim909 Bro…that was…the most pathetic and pressed comment I’ve ever seen from ANYONE holy shit, I was just saying how it could work narratively 💀

[@WatcherCCG]

How did I miss this?! You two are the reason I got back into Dragon Ball! You have no idea how hype seeing you two on screen at the same time is, however briefly.

[@Darklord_tK]

It was clearly stated after exiting the time chamber by goku that gohan was the strongest among them, his only weakness was his unwillingness to fight

[@Shavenx10]

The cameraman who filmed the cell saga is unmatched

[@pancake9652]

My boy gohan taking the W

[@ultrachara2818]

I have a good what if idea: What if Gohan met Videl in the Cell saga. It could be like, in the nine days leasing up to the Cell games.

[@bobjr8519]

Editing is top tier & 100% agree with everything idk why ppl think goku could beat cell it was just never going to happen

[@TheChamp820]

Alternative Title: If The Cell Games Weren’t Fixed For Cell’s Wants

[@phantom-d3c]

I agree that Gohan would still win against Goku without the need of any rage boost or SSj2. Also maybe we can see you do some of these What if VS I think would be interesting: - Piccolo (After Kami fused) vs Android 17 - SSj Rage Trunks vs Ultimate Gohan - SSBKKx20 Goku vs SSBE Vegeta - Cell vs Dabura - True Golden Frieza vs Ultimate Gohan

[@priestesslucy]

Isn't the Piccolo vs Android 17 fight you describe the one we already got? I'm with you on Ultimate Gohan vs SSIkari Trunks, sounds like it could be an incredible match. Gohan has the edge in power, but Trunks is by far the most pragmatic fighter in this show who will do everything to win if he's given the motivation somehow. Ultimate Gohan vs Golden Frieza would also be a great fight, but it's a little less interesting. These two hate each other lol

[@sergiomedina1099]

The brand new Final Gohan vs UE and UI

[@encode6230]

Gohan was stated to be stronger then Goku However experience and technique might be a factor… but also…. Goku would just quit…. He would still make gohan fight cell

[@michellegibson5798]

Gohan's power lvl was too much out of Goku's range for technique to matter. The same Speed Cell used against Goku was too slow to touch Gohan who was reluctant to fight. If Gohan fights to win he'd probably mid diff Goku.

[@randumo24]

I mean, the end of the video literally debunked why experience & technique wouldn't matter in this particular fight. Goku and Gohan just got done training together for nearly a year straight 1 on 1 every day for entire days outside of eating & sleeping. Gohan knows everything Goku can do at this point in the series. If there is any matchup where power matters most at this point, it is Goku vs Gohan.

[@vulgrim909]

@@michellegibson5798 But Gohan doesnt even know his own power thats why he was getting beaten and if Goku really went all out and used instant transmission kamehameha Gohan would be done for, Goku in all honesty should have been able to kill Cell has he blew his head off with the power of that kamehameha

[@vulgrim909]

@@randumo24 No he doesnt Gohan didnt pick up on everything Goku knows Gohan only trained with Goku bc he thought he was helping Goku to be stronger he doesn't know his own power which Goku could easily use that against him and while were on that subject toryiama litetally wrote Gohan to be stronger at the last second thats why theres an inconsistency with Goku blowing Cells head off.

[@michellegibson5798]

@@vulgrim909 that was a nerfed Cell to the point he was Goku's equal. Cell was only at about 50% of his power. Gohan was as strong as Cell at around 75%. Gohan was decently stronger than Goku but lacks experience as a martial artist. Instant Kamehameha lost it's surprise factor so Gohan would expect it and counter with his own. Cell immediately powered up again to fight Gohan after he did with Goku.

[@Mino..233]

Amazing work carthu. You should make more videos like these.

[@1Grumi]

Gohan is so gonna be like "Wait, you weren't holding back?" So I say Gohan wins because Goku runs out of stamina.

[@sijonda]

Watching this just reminds me of the disappointment in Freeza coming back for the tournament in Super instead of Cell. Just because in the very least Cell probably would have been just as excited as Goku.

[@priestesslucy]

Would have had to drag Cell into the RoSaT to make him useful... ... Which would have been viable and a great place for Gohan to stretch his legs more

[@xenolegenddbz2424]

I loved when Salad Saiyan came onto the video, it caught me off guard!! Wish we can see a full crossover next time!!😁😁👍👍other than that, amazing video!!✌️

[@tsosway486]

Finally it's so annoying that people think gohan needed sj2 to beat goku when goku says gohan stronger than him and it's kinda confirmed when everyone surprised at gohan strength and when call says son goku might not be lying

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

This would be Perfect for Abridged Gohan.

[@DynastyZwarrior90]

It would be interesting if Cell Games was an actual tournament with Cell not being the only opponent like you showed here. Android 16 was there as well even though I don't know how would it play out with 10 fighters overall.

[@gizel4376]

i think if you want interesting match, you have to put: 1.Vegeta vs Trunks -> Vegeta 2.Cell vs Satan ->Cell 3.16 vs picolo ->16 4.gohan vs goku ->gohan second round doesn't matter since power lvl are too far away so you get gohan vs Cell in the final

[@DynastyZwarrior90]

@@gizel4376 There were still Tien, Krillin and Yamcha. Unless you count their statement that they wouldn't fight in the Cell Games but only watch. I think Piccolo would beat 16 as he was able to take hits from Cell Jrs and keep standing while 16 was one shoted by Semi Perfect Cell who was much weaker than them.

[@gizel4376]

@@DynastyZwarrior90 my reasoning for 16 winning is simply because picolo was weaker than base cell while 16 was stronger and i think it's more revelent than the how hard they get beaten by different form of cell that are hard to scale edit: also, the cell jr. powerscale is not coherent, we know at this point Vegeta is considerably stronger than Picolo, Picolo wouldn't stand against vegeta the way he standed against cell jr. which make no sense since the cell jr. are stronger than vegeta, the only explanation is that the cell jr. were playing with them, just like cell was playing with Goku, so they ajusted their power to get a good entertainement

[@DynastyZwarrior90]

@@gizel4376 Yes but Piccolo trained for one year following his defeat by Cell and judging from everyone's comment his increase was very big. Playing around or not the Cell Jrs were still able to gain the upper hand against Vegeta and Trunks who wat this point could one shot Semi Perfect Cell. I think Piccolo is at the very least stronger than Semi Perfect Cell's level at that point. I mean Super Vegeta (who trashed Semi Cell) was 3 shoted by a heavily supressed Perfect Cell. Vegeta trined for one year and surpassed that level his saw from Perfect Cell (he was confident in winning the Cell Games) and he held his own against the Cell Jrs. Piccolo was able to survive longer against that same Cell Jrs than Vegeta did against Perfect Cell 10 days ago.

[@gizel4376]

@@DynastyZwarrior90 i forgot about that part, yes with that one year training he's obviously stronger, it make more sense now

[@siasdandellia]

the fandom really take TFS jokes ultra full power mastered instinct seriously, wtf 😭 6:20

[@Sword_Man_YT]

Honestly I feel if Gohan doesn’t have any motivation to fight Goku should take it.

[@ArtsyJet]

I imagine a dark spin where Gohan subconsciously takes out his frustrations on Goku. All those years of Goku being a subpar father has got to affect a kid, even if said kid isn't consciously thinking about it.

[@craigpeoples9883]

@@ArtsyJetI don't think he'd be upset at Goku especially since he's recently spent three years with Gohan

[@andyjun4178]

@@ArtsyJet you’re thinking of DBZA Loll

[@scrollingdownonlytofindcom2663]

@@ArtsyJet canon Gohan would never act like that

[@ArtsyJet]

@Ты клоун Yeah, probably.

[@adamwade6243]

That Surprise Discord Call in-between Carthu's Dojo and Salad Saiyan was really funny, but Salad Saiyan's voice sounds a bit different to me than it had been the last time I had heard it.

[@RandKin]

Neat crossover, I dig it.

[@CrisMW98]

2:40 he literally blew up the top half of Cell (core included ofc), Toriyama just lent Cell good old plot armor for that occasion.

[@ultragameronline3917]

You should do a what if on what if goku fully focused on himself in the time chamber instead of gohan. It would be very interesting to see how strong goku would’ve been able to become if he could spent his entire time on trying to improve himself and not gohan. And in this aspect I do believe that if goku have does not have gohan to worry about he could’ve unlocked ssj2 and beat cell.

[@tormentor91]

If Goku had not focused on Gohan, Cell would've easily won. If you have a capable training partner you're going to make much more progress than doing it on your own. Sure, Goku had to spent the first half preparing Gohan, but once Gohan attained Super Sayian, Gokus powr would've increased significantly faster than on his own.

[@ultragameronline3917]

@@tormentor91 you right. So ima change it to what if goku trained with vegeta and trunks trained with gohan

[@reddragon100]

He was already at his limit. He said he can't grow further anymore in short period of time

[@adamwade6243]

I was caught a little bit by surprise when Carthu had mentioned Team Four Star, as I really didn't think that he would have mentioned them at all.

[@RandomCarGuy17]

I personally would've loved the story going this route almost, sort of Gohan's final test before taking on the big bad, can he defeat his own father? Despite what the fanbase thinks of their relationship, Gohan has put his dad on this pedestal that he thinks he could never surpass. Goku's challenge would be trying to break that idea Gohan has. With that said, I think Goku would hold back somewhat in fear of killing Gohan and thus Gohan wins. Plus of course Gohan being the stronger of the 2. That might also change the fight of Gohan vs Cell, with Gohan having more confidence to handle the bugman.

[@marioandultrachap]

Probably wouldn't of been a bad idea.

[@vixinitydbz]

When your son is beating your ass and ur tryna keep up and he told you to stop holding back 💀

[@SaiyanMotion]

The salad cameo 🤣

[@reilorenzogamer5007]

"???" : DO YOU *REALLY THINK YOU CAN MAKE CELL GAMES VÍDEO WITHOUT ME? Carthus D: i dont know the f*ck you are Me: * Wait* "???" : its me Carthus :D: oh So salad Me: * Dies of laughing,rip *

[@ngonimandizha7738]

Gohan would win if they were both SSJ one’s, but it’d be close!

[@priestesslucy]

In terms of relative power this basically the radditz saga all over again. If Gohan goes all out, Goku basically can't win.

[@najeebshah.]

@@priestesslucy lol no there is no ssj2 here Goku would body him, huge skill difference, gohan performed worse against cell than goku did

[@priestesslucy]

@@najeebshah. yes, there is a huge skill difference. Much like Goku vs Radditz. One skilled martial artist, one brawler with immense brute force

[@najeebshah.]

@@priestesslucy dude gohan and gokus power difference isn't lile goku vs raditz lol

[@eternityarc916]

@@najeebshah. gohan stomps lmao. The power gap is too wide

[@supervegito2277]

1:00 I have clearer memories of Volumnes i own over ones i dont. And yeah, i still can almost quote word for word Goku and Gohans talk over whos stronger. ( Keypoint involving Goku asking Gohan "Did you see us (him and cell) doing anything you couldnt?" Gohan bluntly denies that fact, but assumed they werent Going all out, to which Goku clarifies, that whilst he cant speak for Cell, Goku himself DID. Quite the awesome scene imo. Also cool to see how it was translated into English, as i read/own it in Danish.

[@mayagray2807]

I always assumed goku was "weaker" was because he doesn't have the potental endurance of cell. If goku went all out right from the start, caught cell off guard and blew him tf up maybe. But cell heals, and his stamina will quickly come back, goku obviously doesn't. Also since cell heals mid fight, he's getting mini zenkis constantly.

[@priestesslucy]

That is theoretically possible yes, but it's only possible because Cell was suppressing himself for a more entertaining fight against Goku.

[@yaboittash]

“Did you really think you could a video on the Cell Games without me?” “…I don’t even know who the fuck you are?”

[@BaldOmniMan]

If Super Saiyan Gohan actually tried, he probably could have beaten super perfect cell without super Saiyan 2. Depends on if you think he got a rage boost along with super Saiyan 2, or if super Saiyan 2 WAS his rage boost

[@priestesslucy]

Super Perfect maybe not, but definitely Perfect Cell

[@tsundere4148]

This is really well made!

[@mangethman9240]

I think Goku will win because there shouldn't be a reason for Gohan to release his rage to show his true potential. I'm excited to watch and see if I'm right! Love the videos!

[@vg-_-universal8283]

4:38 GENIUS how you came to the conclusion fatigued goku couldnt beat cell was GENIUS good job carthu 👍🏽

[@izzo4231]

You know I really would have liked to see this as canon if cell instead made the tournament in bracket style….ok honestly I just want to see Vegeta vs Yamcha round 1 🤣

[@priestesslucy]

Yamcha always faces the final boss in the first round. Unless Vegeta is New Yamcha and he gets beat up by Cell first lol

[@hughjazz8655]

Salad saiyan x carthus dojo - not the colab we deserved, but the one we needed

[@Kingdomecum-r5n]

I think gohan has this one- he has even been confirmed to be stronger than goku in just his mastered state alone multiple times.

[@cyclicxcalibur2043]

Yoooo so hyped for this

[@captain5977]

I personally think that Goku would win, because his arsenal of techniques is far greater than Gohan. Not only that but IF Goku would to train his SSJ to TRULY be like his base form then surely, I mean surely, he can use the Kaioken. All he needs in my opinion is to use Kaioken x 1.5. (x 2 if there is no decimals in the Kaioken)Not only THAT but Goku's Battle IQ outmatches Gohan's (However I will admit Gohan does have a better IQ than Goku) also Gohan don't like fighting so he will either A. Try to end it fast, or B. Just like his Father win. Last and not least, Gohan barely if at all got battle experience. (All his deadly fights up to now has been a Curb stomp for either him or his opponent.) Forgot to mention this but yeah Gohan and Goku trained for like months (Not a year, some of it was spent trying to get Gohan SSJ) so both of them would know each other fighting styles quite well. (Which is an advantage to both but to mainly Goku, because he can easily detect the weakness for Gohan's better than Gohan can for Goku's)

[@priestesslucy]

Kaioken is incompatible with Super Saiyan. Also 1.5 doesn't exist and would still leave Goku woefully underpowered here. Imo SSKx3 would probably be enough, but it's not a thing

[@ningenslayer6306]

@@priestesslucy That’s never stated in the manga, and Grade 4 doesn’t consume any extra stamina. I doubt Goku would use it since he never does so, but there really isn’t a reason he can’t.

[@aidenp8661]

the bit where salad comes in is so funny and unexpected it brought a smile to my face

[@michaelc.brownsr4680]

Gohan is a Strategist! He lays out a plan before trying it! Why is this even a question!?? Gohan would Trounce his Dad

[@chrono2208]

Goku is a better fighter than gohan, and at this point in the story gohan is still insecure about his power (which gets even worse considering hes fighting his dad), gohan might be more powerful, but he doesn't have the skill nor the mindset to win a fight against his dad.

[@vulgrim909]

@@chrono2208 Finally someone with sense who actually knows what theyre talking about and not being fanboys hyping up Gohans nonexistant power which he never uses unless the stakes are high, someone who knows that Gohan despite his power advantage doesnt like to fight if Gohan and Goku went 1 on 1 Goku would realize that his son doesnt want to or like fighting, it would be Gohan that would throw the fight and anything Goku says wouldn't change his mind

[@Chrisp-gn9bv]

My fav dragon ball what if youtubers are Carthu and Salad so the end was so nice to see :)

[@daikoru2511]

So basically if the cell games was like the world tournament?

[@CarthusDojo]

Exactly!

[@daikoru2511]

@@CarthusDojo cool idea man keep it up

[@captain5977]

@@CarthusDojo Are they battling to the death or just a friendly bout

[@CrystalC9]

"I don't even know who the fuck you are." Jesus christ my sides lmao

[@CyanicCore]

I think Gohan could, but wouldn't. Unless Goku intentionally loses and further confuses Gohan towards the end, the younger would be weighed by a lack of *confidence* alongside experience. He respects his father, and consistently expects him to have more in the tank.

[@marioandultrachap]

Yeah that's my thing. Goku was still able to give cell a good fight in ssj Gohan did not cause he doesn't like fighting. Even if Gohan had more power than Goku which ehh I'm still on the fence about that since they're at the absolute max ssj can go already. If it is I don't think it's by as much as people say I still say Goku would win based on drive and technique. Had Gohan had the same drive and moviation Goku had then yeah Gohan would probably win. Gohan didn't really fight that much until he went ssj 2 so it's kind of hard to say what fighting technique he really has.

[@omegavaltv4894]

THE COLAB I ASKED FOR ON TWITTER

[@SilveeYT]

I wish more people watched Kai or at least the Japanese dub, so they can truly see the correct original version of what Dragon Ball was supposed to be, rather than the American version with misinformation.

[@thefilmwatcher1302]

This sounds like a good fight, and like it would make the Cell Games an actual tournament instead of just everyone fighting against Cell and losing as well as proving to be structurally nonexistent. I mean, as soon as the Cell Juniors come out, the tournament loses any semblance of structure or organization. It just turns into a superhero battle.

[@tonyblank2022]

Kakaroto! I mean Full Power SSJ Goku XD

[@priestesslucy]

Will have to blitz a self doubting and hesitant Gohan and overwhelm him while the kid believes he's outmatched

[@ADL21]

Gohan and it would be so funny because EVERYONE outside of Goku would think he's holding back to coddle his son, until Goku would just straight up lose fair and square top prove to Gohan that He'd surpassed his father.

[@ivanhunter6492]

I can see Gohan taking the W in this

[@virtueofdragonsdreamer7783]

10:18 PFFT, that’s it! I’m dead! I’m dying.

[@hankthehokagehill8374]

Ok even after this video I still think Goku would win this fight, and it’s because this one reason, Goku is the greatest martial artist to ever live in his universe. If his minds in the right place he in theory be Gohan through different martial arts techniques he had learned in his over 30 years of training with different masters Gohan never had. Grandpa Gohan, Roshi, Kami and King Kai Gohan would win the power, Goku would win in skill

[@priestesslucy]

Skill can only overcome a power gap so far before it becomes impossible. A conservative estimate places Gohan at about three times Goku's power prior to SSJ2

[@vulgrim909]

@@priestesslucy A power he doesnt even use or believe he even has, strength is only relative in how one believes in themself and men who refuse to fight or believe in such strength just cannot best someone with the raw determination and skill to win

[@XdeadsoulXful]

Goku ‘either my kid goes berserk and wins this, or I watch my son die and get enraged instead’ probably a thought in the back of his mind

[@StEvUgnIn]

Manga vs Anime In the manga, Gohan has ascended and become the strongest before achieving SSJ2

[@bakruptfern329]

"I don't even know who the fuck you are 🤨" Bruh 🤣

[@Smoke2117YT]

Salad's random pop up, and how you two converse is just hilarious

[@trananhkhoi-brad5644]

I can already see where this What if gonna start of: *It began when Goku gives up to Cell... In the orignal timeline, Gohan would figt Cell and unlock SSJ2 through pure rage, but here, it turns out differently....* Goku: "Cell, I give up. You're too strong for me. But i do have an idea." Cell: Oh,sure, anything but not tell Vegeta or your son to fight me Goku :))" Goku: See, the point is that my son Gohan has an untapped power inside him, and if you make the Cell games like the World Tournament, then if I fight Gohan and i lose, he can fight you and well, he might just be the right opponent for you than me!" Cell: Goku, you know that is ridiculous, right?" *Vegeta silently judging Goku's opinion* Goku: Well but do you still want to fight me in this state of power,then?" Cell: *Thinks a lot about this* Well, okay... I guess he can fight you. But don't say i didn't warn you! Your father-son bonding might just backfire your plan, Son Goku" Goku: Yeah, i think that a lot too. If Gohan can kill me during the fight then that's mean he can easily knock you out and save the Earth, y'know?" Cell:.. Say no more, Goku. Bring the boy in the ring and i shall observe you two." Goku (to Gohan); Ya hear that, Gohan? You're gonna spar with me a little then we can both kick Cell's butt!!!" Gohan (still shook and all); *Wait, what?? Did dad just convinced Cell to change the Cell Games' rule??? But i thought... Ugh, i'd rather this tournament the last time i fight someone* Y-Yeah dad! I'm coming!" *And the rest could be in the upcoming What- if by Carthu Dojo!!! I'm just taking guesses but pls do support Carthu's original videos!>< Have a good day ahead, everyone!*

[@head_bussa]

What's more interesting to me is a fight with Gohan vs full powered cell when he return after the self explosion. That fight would've been epic. I think we was rob of that fight.

[@UuLi93]

yo ef you with that calling, i honestly jumped from my seat to get it. damn you boi! it was just a part of the video, nicely done. almost like a rick roll

[@andrelopez8728]

There's a line, to which I'm sure is maybe not considered a Canon flashback, but when Goku thinks back to when they were training in the hyperbolic time chamber in the anime, he says this line, "Each time we trained his power level increased, and his fighting technique improved, soon he was as good as me" So Goku says Gohans technique is as good as his, so Gohans power would be the difference.

[@vulgrim909]

No the gap is actually mental and Goku overlooked that Gohan lacked the mental capacity to actually win a fight its why they almost all died against Cell

[@NOTREALJustice13]

10:12 got me rolling on the floor 😂

[@funtimejakeplush]

Salad saiyan: Did you really think you can do a video about the cell games without me? Carthu: *I don't even know who the fuck you are?*

[@adamwade6243]

It is pretty obvious that Son Goku and Son Gohan are indeed the absolute strongest members of the Z-Fighters at the time of the Cell Games Saga, as they were the ones to have put in the most effort when it had came to training within the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.

[@InfernosReaper]

That "short rest" was maybe a couple of minutes and Cell had been fatigued before Goku beaned him

[@Leox30ftw]

It would be interesting if you do a video like "What if Piccolo Jr remained evil",I think it could have changed many things in the story

[@KingNero_Fate]

i legit crapped myself when the discord call part happened I thought my girlfriend was calling me, but then carthu spoke and I chilled out XD Good video btw :D

[@joeker5208]

Oh thank god. Absolutely loved the video. As someone who debates Dragon Ball a lot, and has to constantly read several variations of the manga and basically have the animes on repeat, I’ve gotten pretty tired at the Cell Games Goku vs Gohan debate, as it’s really stupid. I still see people think Cell is stronger than SSJ2 Gohan, like come on.

[@priestesslucy]

Frankly if you do the math, Super Perfect Cell is barely stronger then Full Power Super Saiyan Gohan. Obviously that's a match Gohan could never win, not through Cell's regeneration, but it's an interesting truth

[@joeker5208]

@@priestesslucy well not really. Because Super Perfect Cell isn’t just 2x stronger than Perfect Cell, as he’s quite weird due to him getting a zenkai. El Manga Legendario says Grade 3 is 10x SSJ, Cell has his own variant of the form, then he and the guides say his Super Perfect form is stronger, so he could be anywhere from 10-20x or higher than Perfect Cell. It’s definitely contentious

[@priestesslucy]

@@joeker5208 I wouldn't know where to begin assessing Super Perfect Cell's power increase over Perfect Cell. What I know is Super Saiyan 2 is FPSSJx2 and with his arm gone and his power halved by damage and cripling self doubt, SSJ2 Gohan was still able to slow down and almost hold off Super Perfect Cell in a beam struggle. Half of SSJ2 = FPSSJ

[@joeker5208]

@@priestesslucy not quite because Gohan is also very weird because he has rage hax that can make him how ever powerful as the plot needs. So 1/2SSJ2 Gohan is still much stronger than FPSSJ Gohan as he has several statements and feats that do say so

[@priestesslucy]

@@joeker5208 the so-called Rage Boosts aren't magical power amplification, it's just his own power that Gohan lacks the focused intent to make use of, and there's nothing preventing him from tapping that power in FPSSJ. Secondly, this is the only place im the entire series where analysts place a 'rage boost' that lasts for a whole fight rather than a brief exchange. Shouldn't that tell you something? Aside from the 2x boost of SSJ2, Gohan could have tapped the rest of that power freely if he put his mind to it. His heart wasn't in the gight until the event that triggered SSJ2

[@christiannicholaswiegold1155]

Holy Smokes! Never expected that Salad Saiyan would appear here, as I DID see Salad's Vids to some Point :v

[@Marconel100]

I think even ssj2 Gohan might feel a little sting after instant transmission kamehameha from Goku lol.. such an awesome technique

[@ChefMonke07]

Gohan wins with extreme ease. Gokū going all out looked like play fighting in Gohan's eyes. Let that sink in.

[@sewrtyuiop997]

Now we just need a crossover of you, Salad, and Smug.