What if Persia Conquered Greece?

Greece won against massive odds in the wars against the Persians. But what if history had gone differently? What if Greece had actually lost against Persia and became absorbed into the Empire. Here is one scenario.
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[@bentoth9555]

"King Leonidas and his 300 elite veteran Spartans" and like 7000 other assorted Greeks who somehow always are left out.

[@Ninjaananas]

People really should stop believing Hollywood movies.

[@Abominationus]

700 Thespians 300 Spartans 900 Lacedaemonians 500 Mantineans and Tegeans 1120 Arcadians 200 Phlians 400 Corenthians 80 Mycenaeans 1000 Phocians 400 Thebans and as Herodotus quotes: " Opuntians sent all they had."

[@katireei7761]

Lacedemonians = Spartans so there were probably 900 - 300 = 600 other lacedemonians out of the city of sparta, probably from its countryside. Phocians and many of those you mentioned guarded the secret pass and retreated without a fight, so they didn't take a part in the battle. And for the other guy, 70000 is the smallest modern estimated number so far of the persian army, but yeah it was not 2500000 that herodotus described.

[@stuckinaconstant7132]

it was 300 spartans, and 1700 thespians versus 100000 persians. Your welcome

[@stuckinaconstant7132]

***** No its not like that: 1: The greeks in total were 7000 but of those 7K only 1,6 fought. (300 spartans and the rest were thespians and thibians) 2: the persians were 100000-150000. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae.

[@Venom3254]

That answer is easy, it's obvious that the movie 300 wouldn't have happen.

[@utubrGaming]

It would be called 250000.

[@mr.sunshine1444]

utubrGamingCorrection, 10,000 for the ten thousand immortals, duh.

[@internetalias1613]

utubrGaming I was literally about to say that, but you beat me to it, damn you internet!

[@starmaker75]

Venom3254 and we wouldn't get the this is spartan meme

[@internetalias1613]

Polandgod 75 No we wouldn't but instead we would get *"THIS IS PERSIA!!!!!!!!!!!"*

[@KTChamberlain]

According to history, Xerxes immediately regretted the burning of Athens and ordered it to be rebuilt, but the damage had been done, sowing the seeds of the demise of the Persia Empire.

[@KTChamberlain]

Yeah, although the sources vary--some say that the burning of Pesepolis could have been accidental as it could have been intentional. It's a moot point.

[@fort809]

Leonardo Rojas the burning of Persepolis was most likely accidental

[@kasra72389]

Fort_ Oink Forgive me for my ignorance, but how does one burn an entire city, by accident?

[@KTChamberlain]

+Karmifia // The answer to that is when consider there was a very primitive form of firefighting in ancient times. For all we know someone might've accidentally set fire to decadent drapes and it spread like wildfire.

[@kasra72389]

Makes sense, but wouldn't the buildings in ancient Persia have been made out of stone or something? Again, please forgive me for my ignorance, I know I must sound like an idiot.

[@thomashuffcutt9414]

what if Alexander lived to a ripe old age?

[@chaostade4087]

he would fight with Rome propably...And if he conquered it, americans would propably speak greek right now.

[@thomashuffcutt9414]

+FrostPhoenix Tade no. he died at like 32 or something. he'd have to live to be a couple hundred years old to conquer Rome.

[@thechosenone1533]

then his empire would have fallen 2-3 decades later as his empire was too dependent on him to outlive him

[@JakeMobley1]

+krishna murthy that really comes down to how he developed his empire during his time alive. In order for him to live to old age, he would have to stop conquering at some point, and he doesn't seem the sort to maintain a fascist state for long, considering his education, love of Greek culture, and seeming strength of mind.

[@X02switchblades]

His last plan was to conquer the Arabian Peninsula --> no Islam

[@Gruegirl]

I think it should be noted: Darius was, in many historical accounts, MORE tolerant of religion and national differences. Persia at this time had outlawed slavery which was alive-and-well in Greece, and IIRC Women could own property in Persia. If Xerxes did subjugate Greece (and assuming the same murdertastic succession continued right after he died, since Artaxerxes was a fairly nice king all things considered) similar human rights may have spread further into mainland europe as concepts far earlier. The effect in overall technology/science/philosophy wouldn't nessicarily change that much as the persians spreading greek ideas would likely occur, though at a bit of a slower rate, to Alexander's empire.

[@AlternateHistoryHub]

Ari Schwartz It certainly should be. Thank you for your comment. I wanted to fit that into the video, but it wouldn't have worked pacing wise. Persia and Greece fought many wars, but neither side was "bad" or "good". I wasn't saying Persia was bad. The looting and burning were simply how warfare was in ancient times, Greece committed the same atrocities to themselves.

[@santihodge5278]

AlternateHistoryHub Hey I thought the beginning of the video was very interesting. I know your channel is about Alternate History and you are the only channel to my knowledge that does this, but could you do some history videos. It would be nice to see your view and way to tell history.

[@dariuso2657]

To make it short, Darius is awesome, right? (^-^)

[@redthunder808]

Lord Santisaur why half the shit he said at the start was wrong

[@ramtin89]

it is not true that slavery was outlawed. The Cyrus cilinder granted liberation from slavery only for people living in Babylon after the conquest, not for the whole empire. Slavery was attested both from herodotus and from several texts during achaemenid era. However it is true that in persian empire slavery was mitigated and used in a lesser extent than in Greece or Rome

[@Reddit_shorts_525]

Correction: no one was enslaved by the Persians. The Cyrus cylinder was the law. IT clearly forbids slavery in the persian empire, all persian cities was build by Paid workers.

[@jimmyrustles358]

***** Even though there were many greeks in persian courts, many greek states that felt more closer to persians than other greek states and even though many greek mercenaries fought for persians, people still believe that persian and greeks were polar opposites who hated each other completely.

[@hellenicnationalist7061]

***** bullshit they had many serfs

[@1nopoint]

***** People seem to forget that the Ancient Greek City States, especially the Spartans practiced Slavery on Steroids. For every 1 Spartan citizen there were 10 Messinian Slaves.

[@kkostasanagno2243]

AJ Ace A-N also that not all city states were the same,Athenian slaves lived the high life

[@hellenicnationalist7061]

AJ Ace A-N Whats wrong with slavery ?

[@attarimuhammad5739]

Darious never burned cities . He was also against slavery..

[@satanlordofhell5834]

Exactly. Crash course said a totally different story...

[@jacksonkeller4333]

I don't know how true it is that the Persians were opposed to slavery, but I doubt they didn't practice it. Practically every ancient culture practiced slavery; the prisoners of war were frequently used for slave labor. As for Darius burning cities I can believe that. But I don't believe every single one of his generals were opposed to burning cities so it probably wasn't Darius who ordered the city to be burned down.

[@ateyo7554]

I thought they burned down Athens? Thats one of the justifications used by Alexander of Macedonia in burning down Persepolis

[@attarimuhammad5739]

Subby No it is a lie . When the Xerxes and his allies from other lands(his allies were from the lands which greeks had burned down) conquered Athens they killed the men who wanted to fight they even didnt take women and children as slaves there are a lot of reliable documents on this .One of them is from an English Professor (i forgot the name but u can search it) . Xerxes didnt burn down Athens But Alexander did Burned the great palace of perspolis just to destroy the persian empire and their culture He killed annocent people(unlike the Persian kings)

[@adamguillory2428]

+Jackson Keller actually, the Persians were against slavery for their state religion (Zoroastrianism) was against slavery

[@Jan_Koopman]

"The Persians wanted revenge for Marathon." So if the Greeks had lost at Marathon, this battle would have gone differently. I think you should have covered that in the first part.

[@yosefsoloveichik178]

there already were greek colonies in itlay and libya

[@AlternateHistoryHub]

Yosef Soloveichik More colonies

[@trenchardjj]

***** *Hesperia

[@joe29295mama]

***** Thank you for proving my point.

[@skarosTHEgreek]

***** You forgot a comma after "stick". If you use a conjunction to combine two sentences, then you will need a comma.

[@Lowieiscool]

Mohammed Haitham Western Sicily was under the control of Carthage, the Eastern part was controlled by Syracuse, if I'm correct.

[@salokin3087]

I'm i the only one who wants to play Rome: Total War after watching this?

[@comrad9372]

lol me too

[@bradzamora4424]

Salokin Sekwah I played Civ 5 after watching this. lol

[@kingjonstarkgeryan8573]

Handsome Brad playing civ 5 right now while watching this vid.

[@charliekent9526]

Luis Villalobos Someone taking too long with turns? xD

[@salokin3087]

***** GODDAMN ROME 2... THATS NOT FUNNY!

[@Zer0SumGame]

The concept of a disparate group of rivals or outright enemies uniting against what could be considered at the time to be an "alien," or at least foreign, invader seems to have been firmly planted in our minds as well. We as a species can't seem to get enough of stories based around that concept. The Vong War in Star Wars, or the Tyranids in 40k are good examples.

[@hisholiness4537]

Foreign? The Achaemenids were ruling over most Greeks for centuries. Many Greeks fought on persian sides, and even found their own unique kingdoms and satrapies.

[@mehranpiroozmand8174]

Persians did not practice slavery.. slavery is forbidden in Zoroastrianism.. all of the videos about the Persians are bias..

[@TheFirewolfx]

Very true. Its hard to claim the empire that made human rights would practice slavery.

[@clopezferrer]

And all western shistorians forget the "little detail" that there were legions of slaves -in some cities as many as the free greeks and many of which were combat trained- that would have been very suppoortive of their liberators. That's what the Persians did in every conquered kingdom that allowed them to build their empire: giving freedom.

[@owlabouteverything2066]

Carlos López Ferrer, the Persians practiced selective liberation. For example, when the Persian Empire under Cyrus conquered the Ionian Cities in 546 BCE, they sold all of the people of Magnesia and Priene into slavery, as they had refused to surrender. If you surrendered, the Persians were nice, but bad luck for you if you resisted or harboured any of Persia's enemies

[@goghnos8826]

Austin Sands nope

[@Ardeshir8]

check your facts kiddo!

[@HGShurtugal]

If Persia won the Halo Spartans would have been called immortals

[@killamonjaromon]

HG Shurtugal makes sense - immortals never die...

[@wowcraftify]

Lee Martin They're just missing in action.

[@darthmango8834]

Exactly they never die...

[@killamonjaromon]

wowcraftify what? No, they just respawn 3 seconds later...

[@SarudeDanstorm]

Luke Buckner I don't think many people missed it...

[@BlobbyBiscuitWorks]

This is Persia?

[@tummywubs5071]

Bayley Fletcher THIS IS SPARTA

[@argon7624]

No, THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@tummywubs5071]

its actually youtube

[@waleedalam7927]

Tummy Wubs No, THIS IS THE KZbin COMMENT SECTION!!!!!

[@awesomeadrian568]

No, this is patrick.

[@bahadorsoori8185]

made them slave… !? persian had no slave slavery was forbidden in persian Empire and Persian were the first nation in all history who forbiden slavery.

[@saeedvazirian]

Phoenicians did not take slaves dumbass^

[@thomasprent2179]

Sepehr Voshmgir they did

[@fb1_dondroper40]

Thomas fuckin western

[@PUNISHERMHS_2021]

@@saeedvazirian chill out there, the other guy gave a civilized and civil response and you go and call him a dumbass

[@ComradeArthur]

for like 50 years or so.

[@leonvalenzuela4096]

what if Greece had won against the Roman invasion?

[@jimtroy4380]

Ahhh that would be an interesting scenario there! Imagine an Empire of Byzantine scale, but with pure Hellenic characteristics! Interesting indeed....

[@stuckinaconstant7132]

The byzantine empire was greek.

[@leonvalenzuela4096]

Lazaros Mazlos there was a point that had Greek fighting off a Roman Invasion; if they had won no Byzantine

[@vincentrathbone26]

The Byzantine Empire was the eastern half of the Roman Empire it wasn't Greek, the people of the Byzantine Empire called themselves Romans right up until the Turks captured Constantinople in 1453.

[@stuckinaconstant7132]

VINCENT RATHBONE No, it is not like that. When the roman empire split in half it was called the eastern roman empire. Later on it adopted the greek language and culture (not that the romans werent influenced by it before) so it became greek. Go watch some history videos or study about it.

[@EmperorTigerstar]

Thanks again for the collab! Great working with you!

[@AlternateHistoryHub]

***** You too!

[@eyelessjack534]

+AlternateHistoryHub well pretty interesting and I'm a history freak to well I have a scenario what if the Central powers won WW1 the Central powers won at the the battle of somme pushing into French territory and then paris would surrender without a fight cough cough WW2 with France conquered the Ottoman Empire focuses all of its efforts on Africa since it was under Allied control soon Britain and Russia take this opportunity to rebuild its military strength and soon Austria-Hungary defended the territories of Germany and Austria's land with these events the United States never joins the war but without American supplies Britain is conquered the only allies remaining is Russia but do to the Bolshevik Revolution Russia signs a peace treaty with the Central powers but the Russians are unable to rebuild its military strength after the Revolution and Russia is captured and this declares that the Central powers won the war in our timeline after the war the treaty of Versailles was formed sparking WW2 but in alternate timeline the Central powers formed the treaty of Munich and this the Central powers there territories that they captured making it theres to rule and the Central powers would unify under a impressive government the Ottoman Empire never falls in this alternate timeline but there economy was very weak after the war and divided into states under there rule now Europe is now divided into three territories with Germany taking west Europe Austria-Hungary taking east Europe and the Ottoman Empire taking the Middle East and Africa

[@DaDARKPass]

there's a problem with this video. the persian never enslaved people. it seems cody was a bit biased

[@armanaryn8372]

EmperorTigerstar why in one picture of persian architecture your using post Islamic footage which is about 1000 years off actually the architecture in persia back then wasn't much different from the Greek and Roman counterparts persia had lots of potential if it wasn't plagued by islam actually

[@amirhosseinetemad3094]

1:58 Why u paint ur dad in a history video ? not funny

[@comrad9372]

What if the Romans defeated the Parthian Empire? Would the Roman Empire continue to expand into India and make contact with Han China?

[@PanzerIVAE]

Connor Dunn Even the Romans know that extending the Empire too much is bad, but yeah what if the Romans did take over all the lands towards the east.

[@kinglink9541]

Giant Dad "Even the Romans know that extending the Empire too much is bad" That's why they extended their empire too much. lol.

[@PanzerIVAE]

***** Yeah they just realized it when it was too late.

[@kinglink9541]

Giant Dad lol. True.

[@S-Nova0]

Connor Dunn No. Trajan's key victories over the Parthians in 117 AD wherein he annexed Mesopotamia and Armenia quickly turned out to be fruitless as he abandoned both territories within a couple of years. Simply put, the Romans already did "beat" the Parthians but found out that holding onto any gained territory would be impossible due to overextension. Mesopotamia was effectively the eastern limit of Rome.

[@fletcher8115]

I though Zoroastrianism (old persian religion) didn't support slavery

[@alexandrosnicolaides8698]

+Poseidoncat It did not, although slavery was still practiced throughout the Persian empire but perhaps on a small scale.

[@El-Silver]

@@PK-se2jh the sassanids did have slaves

[@armon9555]

Golden Silver 81 Sassanians and Achaemenids are different

[@armon9555]

Ma n it is detailed in the Cyrus cylinder that slavery on any form was illegal

[@a.s.4135]

Alexandros Nicolaides. Please get your facts right. Persians did not practice Slavery. They freed the Jews and many others. There are detailed written records that they paid wages to all the workers that built monuments and palaces.

[@luvpinas123]

English, if it would even exist, would have lots of Farsi or rather Parsi loan words! :D

[@peterinfamilyguy]

Persian is an indo-European language. "Maman" is both French and Persian for 'mother', for example.

[@saeedvazirian]

Maman is not a Persian word, it's only a borrowed word from French into Farsi. Madar (flat second a) is a farsi word.

[@kasra72389]

Saeed Vazirian Being Persian, I have to agree with you, but if I'm calling for my mother, the same way an american would say "Mom!", I would say "Māmān!" (Although I pronounce it more like the "n" more like a Spanish "ñ", so I guess "Māmāñ".), Although when referring to my mother, the sane way an anerican would say "My mom drove me...", I would call her "Mādar" A similar happens with my dad, when calling for him, I say "Bābā", and referring to him would be "Pedar" Also, I would love to point out the similar words, if you take into account the Germanic vowel change which turned the "p" sound into "f", then you can really see the similarities Persian-Spanish-French-English Pedar-padre-pere-father Ki-quien-qui-who* Barādar-(hermano)-(frère)-brother *the similarities are apparent once you understand the changes English went through

[@TheFirewolfx]

Madar sounds pretty close to Mother.

[@clopezferrer]

Well... there are a lot actually and cognates -as both are indo-european languages- are abundant.

[@georgecopers5071]

Great collab. Emperor Tigerstar has really good maps and it is always easier to place borders and frontlines into a visual perspective. Great work the both of you do.

[@avuncularmayonnaise2868]

Still waiting patiently for that Ethiopian Empire video...

[@anthony199757]

Luke Ambrosio same here to lol

[@elvismendoza150]

Lol agreed

[@abdulwardak9870]

Luke Ambrosio me2 !!!!!!!

[@redemption0121]

Abdul Wardak me 3!

[@SpatsirkSpart]

Luke Ambrosio Still waiting for that Fan Alternate Country's video

[@Seinghesa]

Thank you, for all your hard work!

[@ruthy6000]

Can't believe I'm only just finding this channel! It's so good!

[@HitomiNoRyu]

What if Japan stayed an isolated country until modern times?

[@TheWickedTrickster]

HitomiNoRyu Then weebs like yourself wouldn't exist.

[@6LUEmusic]

Phyuick Yui And you.

[@LMGguyLAME]

Phyuick Yui ooooooh nooooooo

[@HitomiNoRyu]

Phyuick Yui It is true that as Half-Japanese Half-Swedish person, my parents most likely wouldn't have met. I am however NOT a weeaboo.

[@salokin3087]

HitomiNoRyu What do you mean, its still isolated. Also Half Japanese and Half Swedish....Thats a familial story i've got to hear!

[@sathvikrachakulla]

if persians won,then the greek culture would have flourished further under their open and tolerant policies.

[@JoseLeybaDiaz]

You guys learn history in a easy way to a lot of people, i salute you for that. I subscribed.

[@wo7925]

you fail to mention that of all ancient empires, Persia was the ideal place to be. Sure they didnt have a democracy but they believed in human rights and loosely governed the areas they conquered. In Athens, yes they had democracy but only males who werent slaves could vote. And Sparta was a brutal dictatorship with a king and enslaved others.

[@jek2142]

W ON welcome to europe

[@DarkBlackness]

You need to get some history lessons

[@dolfyhilter577]

@@DarkBlackness no u

[@donbaalman8510]

W ON how could this get 131 votes. Dictatorship with a king? Dude, they had two kings? Ever read something about the spartan constitution, clearly not. They had 5 ephors who had the power to dethrone a king, those were replaced per year. And they a council called the gerousia “council of elderly” they made lots of decisions. Dictatorship? Hell no. Do your research moron

[@dolfyhilter577]

@@donbaalman8510 moron is someone like you, they were a brutal dictatorship with lots of slaves

[@CoffeeSuccubus]

What if Alexander the Great continued into China? What if his troops were still motivated? Oh and another What if Alexander the Great fought the Sammanites to the west?

[@Valk369]

Well first he would need to take India.

[@RabidAbid1]

Advanced Prime and he wasn't able to because Gangaridai, feels good to be bengali :)

[@sskspartan]

***** Yeah,but the Mongols fucking destroyed you.Proud to be Bulgarian,the only nations(Volga and Danube Empires)to defeat them in a fair fight

[@RabidAbid1]

sskspartan No they didn't. You must have mistaken Mongols for Mughals, which is common and thus I forgive you. I must reiterate though, the mongols didn't, the mughals DID. I must add to this, the mongols allowed bengal to be an autonomous state under their control, very much like today, how china controls hong kong but gives them certain control in some fields.. This was because they (the Mughals) knew that bengal flourished in a fountain wealth better when it was independent, rather than being as part of a bigger empire. Also note that, the Mughals are suspected to have had mongol genes. But the mongols, NEVER, came to the indian subcontinent,

[@sskspartan]

***** Indian subcontinent is just like Egypt-supposedly ancient and undefeated,yet conquered hundreds of times hahahah

[@blefyplayswowable]

Slavery was condemned in Persia. They never enslaved anybody.

[@Haphazardization]

+Raluyen Skylance It was condemned but still practiced; usually only as tribute or retribution towards rebellious satraps. Compared to the Greeks though, yeah, it pretty much didn't exist.

[@kevinmailaeied5519]

then some period of time in this world would be better, no slave n shit.

[@darimiwamubarak]

Raluyen Skylance Rubbish. Slavery was rampant, even under Cyrus The Great. Cyrus Cylinder recorded the fact that he demanded a yearly tribute of 500 slave boys from Babylon after conquering it. Persepolis of Xerxes explain in details how slavery are the norms, and how they are regularly traded, run away, caught and returned back to their masters. And Persians are not a big fan of religious tolerance either. Cyrus The Great worshipped Marduk when he conquered Babylon to appease the Babylonians. Elsewhere, Xerxes and other Persians kings actually boasted the fact that they destroyed countless of temples, even calling the deities of the Ancient Egyptians as Satanic, these were all written on Persepolis of Xerxes. Why do you think Ancient Egypt hated the Persians so much and saw Rome as their liberators? Because the Persians discriminated them and destroyed their temples, that's why. Religious tolerance, abolishment of slavery is a modern concept which was concocted during the industrial revolution due to ideas of division of labor and also early ideas of human rights in Europe during the Enlightenment Period. It had nothing to do with Ancient Persians, Ancient Greeks, or any Ancient civilizations.

[@thegreatkoorosh7407]

suriamarsuli That can not be true! Why would scholars call the cyrus cylinder the first charter of human rights if it was including the demand of slaves? and why would cyrus not have kept the jews enslaved after conquering babylon if he was supposedly demanding some? And if persians destroyed temples and statues of deity without any plausible reason, why would they help the jews rebuild their sacred temple of jerusalem and protect them from discrimination? After the greeks burned down persian cities the persians started to do the same to theirs, following the deportation of its inhabitants and NOT their enslavement!!! What you wrote smells like a big pile of nonsense bullshit! If you want to insist on these accusations being correct, just make sure to back them up with evidence! And if you do not know the zoroastrian values and their impact on ancient and modern persia and its culture and the rest of the world, you would not be in a place to judge anyways!

[@thegreatkoorosh7407]

suriamarsuli why you even brought up the ancient greeks? freedom and equality definetly had nothing to do with them for sure! unneccesary to state them in this discussion!

[@user-us6hr9tp1b]

Very good video my friend your scenarios and your comments are exciting! !! Keep up with the good work ;)

[@gfabisevich]

This is the first video I saw on your channel. I'm very impressed. I subscribed!

[@Valk369]

What if Humans weren't the only humanoids on the planet?

[@MaQuGo119]

Tech King 465 we are apes, they are not individuals, apes refers to a superfamily, wich only covers us and gibbons

[@Valk369]

Tech King i mean intelligent and being able to make its own civilization and cities as humans.

[@Jericho398]

Tech King 465 I think he means like intelligent humanoids. like Elf's, Gnomes and other race's.

[@soma4521]

Chances are there would be a giant amount of tension between the two. It would basically be a race war except instead of black vs white it would be human vs elf or whatever other intelligent species survived.

[@sia5021]

Thats the best idea posted here so far!!!

[@hanpol]

Greeks were so fucking badass, what happened guys?

[@valianthearts9559]

There rising up again

[@looinrims]

Socialism

[@jimmyking92]

Socialism and left governments happened.

[@Hudson316]

The Delian League rose and formed what was effectively an Athenian empire (think of it like an ancient version of what the US is like today. They had their hands in everyone else's pockets and could tell each of the city states what to do, and collected a tithe from them for the upkeep of the military) which then went to war with the Spartans and lost, then later the Macedonians came through and took over, then the Romans came over and took them over, then the country sort of changed hands a lot over the next 2000 years until we get to the point where the country was dominated by the Ottomans before being freed. Basically, empire fell, and every major power in the region took their turns teabagging them.

[@hliask903]

Today's Greece has closer roots to the eastern Roman Empire (later Byzantium) than it has to ancient Greece.

[@scoobydoo89765]

these videos are quite fascinating... keep up the ideas:)

[@vinniy32]

What if Operation Valkyrie succeeded?

[@Yuki_Francisco]

Well-..... ah damnit now that would be really interesting to watch...

[@HabboCoolcattim]

עומר גיז Fuck you jew

[@internetalias1613]

עומר גיז The assassination attempt against Hitler

[@stevenirizarry1304]

vinniy32 well it would mean no divided Germany...since the soviets were literally one of the main reasons why the conspirators wanted to negotiate a peace with the Americans and the British after killing hitler

[@Hjernespreng]

vinniy32 Eh, the war was pretty much lost for the Germans at that point, but someone more competent than Hitler would probably take over. The Brits had already *cancelled* any assassination plots by that time because they determined that Hitler was too incompetent, and that almost any likely successor would do a better job.

[@censorduck]

I think you're exaggerating how 'Oppressive' the Persian Empire was. The Persians had a history of being religiously and culturally tolerant of their subjects and had even banned slavery in their past. The Persians weren't nearly as regressive as most people like to think.

[@jacksontaylor211]

This may be my new favorite channel

[@InfernGame]

Also, Xerxes' attention was required for a rebellion in central Persia, which weakened the Persian position in Greece due to a reduced army. And the Persian fleet was still massive after Salamis but Xerxes retreated it for unknown reasons.

[@wanderinghobo4917]

He retreated the navy because if it was destroyed, the Persian army would have been trapped in Greece.

[@SuperHipsterGamer]

Persians didn't have slaves, that makes enslaved a pretty bad word to use. Edit: OK I just realized how much of a douche the original comment sounded like. I still feel enslave is the wrong word to use, but just wanted to show appretiation of the video. I really like this channel including this video. So thanks for making great content.

[@KaoikenEpicnezz]

Snobby Gamer Exactly, slavery was outlawed in ancient Persia. They were actually very tolerant of foreign religions and traditions.

[@SuperHipsterGamer]

***** You are right, but it's one of those few biases I can forgive people for having. It's one those few things, that so rarely have been critizised. It's still wrong, don't misunderstand me, but it's one of those few things people just seem to forget far too easy. I'm a big fan of persian culture. And in many ways they are one of most misunderstood empires in the west (properly partly due to the current Iranian government), but they have a great history of scholars. Even in such a repressive regime as the current one, they still manage to have a hugely educated population compared to any other country suffering the same troubles as them. That's quite impressive.

[@themediocremaster2388]

***** team I'd have to agree that this vid is more biased to the Greeks, if you look at history you see how freaking awesome the Persians were, they had no slave, they were tolerant of religions other then their own, and they gave women rights BEFORE the 20th century :/

[@sia5021]

Ashkan enough! You ve posted many comments already trying to prove your theory of persia being a prehistoric model democracy or something. You care too much. Relax. You are an entertaining youtuber trying to cover for barbarians who lived 2500 years ago and nobody actually saw them or cares.

[@RabidAbid1]

Austin Sanders I agree, its rather disappointing, maybe he had to uphold an agenda so there would be no haters, since the greeks are more favourable out of the two.

[@patrikcath1025]

nope, the change would be way bigger: alexander the great would never conquer persia → rome would have bigger problems with conquering it instead of alexander, but they would be able to do it → germanic cultures would have great opportunity to destroy rome, while most of roman army is fighting with persia → rome falls → languages of all western europe would be totally different than today → britain would probably speak gaelic now → USA would never use english, and most of international words in today would never exist and you say the biggest change is that marathon run wouldn't exist? :D

[@patrikcath1025]

oh sorry, i didnt watch the full video before i wrote it here :D

[@X02Overdose]

+patrikcath dumbass lmao

[@wu1ming9shi]

Wouldn't it be possible that the refugees from Greece would actually bolster the rans of the Italian and Libyan colonies, thus making thel stronger? It would even come so far that Rome wouldn't even be able to defeat them anymore and that they would have indeed been finished by the invading gauls that would come a couple of centuries later. Just making assumptions here do not take any of this as the truth.

[@adamguillory2428]

well, maybe Rome wouldn't be able to beat them, mainly because they would have most of the world under their belt at that time, no doubt most or all of Europe, making the Romans considerably weaker and so they could just swoop in and take it over by them, because they would simply go into the italian peninsula and take over what little bit they needed to take it, if they hadn't already, in short, the Romans wouldn't even have the chance to form, much less defeat the Persians

[@saeedvazirian]

These are all good changes.

[@upandawaygames]

I suspect Persia would have had a very light touch on Greece. Just pay your taxes and we'll leave you alone. Might even have been good for the Greeks as it would have prevented or tamped down internecine fighting and permitted them to further develop their cultural advances. Of course there would have been a lot of Greek aristocrats willing to work with the king of kings to make things work.

[@shanemize3775]

Very good video and a very intriguing question. I've never thought of this one before, but it could well have happened. The Persians were not mean or vengeful overlords at all. They definitely would have rebuilt Athens, but it would have been a Persian city, likely a royal capital from which the satrapi of the Helens would have been administered. While there would have been a diaspora and some new cities founded, this is what the Greeks did. I don't think it would have been a ton of people. I think it is a toss up as to whether the Greeks would have waited until they were strong enough and then rebelled or whether they would have been happy enough under Persian rule. The Greek cities would have continued to rule themselves, worship the same gods, trade and live in the same way. Democracy, philosophy, etc. would have survived and continued to flourish. I suspect the Persian Emperor would have ensured that the Greeks received very capable but lenient governors and officials, that Greece would have been the jewel in his crown, so to speak. Very fascinating stuff, Cody. Well done! Please keep the outstanding videos coming and God bless you, my friend!

[@icharneco29]

Have they done what if Napoleon had won at Waterloo?

[@toontownwizard101]

we would all be speaking french :(

[@Valk369]

^ not exactly. Napolenonic Wars would probably continue to til Napoleons death.

[@icharneco29]

If i remember right napoleon lost cause he had nothing to counter the prussians with having thrown everything he had in an effort to break the british. What if the prussians never made it in time?

[@icharneco29]

They'd still be an effective fighting force and Napoleon's army woulda been battle fatigued who's to say they wouldn't have swept the french off the field the next day

[@lolasogm]

Ibrahim Charneco I think if the Prussians didn't come to help the British, Napoleon would have won, since the battle was 78 thousand French vs 30 thousand British, 50 thousand Prussians, and about 20 thousand smaller german states + the netherlands. And remember the Battle was in Belgium, so it would have been much harder for Britain to send reinforcements. But I think in the end Napoleon would have been defeated because he was already defeated at Russia, he had rebellions for independence in Spain, and he was still fighting the German states in a 4 front war lol

[@alternatehistorypt]

nice video as allways :)

[@AlternateHistoryHub]

Thanks! :)

[@anedgyegyptian9678]

AlternateHistoryHub What if the Egyptian Mamluks didn't defeat the Mongols at Ain Jalut,1st and 2nd battle of Homs? The Mongols would have entered North Africa, right? Please make a video about it

[@azrielreyes4881]

AlternateHistoryHub I have an alternate history blog that I based off the same idea your channel is, if you could just check it out and give feedback that'd be great,, feel free to use any of the scenarios I've posted. I've added the link to my blog below. alternatecountries.blogspot.com/

[@HsienKoMeiLingFormerYANG]

Vietnam and Japan? Is thing right?

[@1984Phalanx]

Love your little animations, that Halo Spartan with the shield and spear was funny.

[@Towern96]

That feeling when KZbin suggestions actually sends me to a great, of my actual interest, channel...

[@BallyBoy95]

a) The 300 Greeks story was a obviously exaggerated as per Greek tradition. b) Persia banned slavery, whereas Greece had a society where every couple would have their own slave (that's why nobody worked, and everyone was at the theatre or studying philosophy and the arts), so they were worse than even ISIS in regards to slavery, and Persia would be equivalent to the US here, banned slavery, and invading (so I side with Persia here). c) Alexander the Great says he backed out of India because he was pleased with the king's ilk for warfare, this is untrue, the Indians say this, and an objective source, the Tibetans who recorded these battles confirmed that the Ancient Hindus humiliated the Greeks in warfare, as the warrior caste. the Kshatriya, fought from sunrise to sunset, only sleeping 4 hours a day, and the Brahmins (saints/scientists/engineers/doctors/teachers etc) would provide them with the most technologically advanced armory/weaponry of the age, as is verified by the Greeks, bamboo bows that stabbed into the ground for extra strength, and shields lined with bronze and wooden layers for extra strength etc.

[@panospanopoulos7879]

+Bruce Wayne true but lets point out that slavery back then had a different context.Slaves where mostly prisoners of war and they held among others roles of teachers musicians and paidagogs as well.You wouldn't expect of a city-state in antiquity not using their war prisoners in labor.Not saying that it was not bad but well not as disshonorable and inhumane as in the middle ages and even later

[@BallyBoy95]

panos panopoulos No, they weren't mostly prisoners of war, how could it be? Every two Greeks had one slave, there were many ways you could get yourself into slavery, such as committing crimes and being kidnapped into it by some foul people. Also, Persians weren't allowed to take even prisoners of wars as slaves back then, nor were Indians, the reason they were allowed to later was because of the Greek conquest of Persia that normalised slavery, and then the islamic influences on Persia and India which normalised it in both regions once more. Persia became Iran and India, well the Hindus fought back (having sacrificed hundreds of millions of their own, as to not submit to Islam).

[@bprinter9238]

+Bruce Wayne you are correct

[@spizie1400]

+Bruce Wayne I agree about your view on a) and b) but with c) u cant be 100% sure in any way, after all everyone writes their own story, but i think his progress was stop mostly because his army lack morale especially because they were far away from home for a long time, diseases, climate change and many other factors it wasnt just indian army even it had big part , but who knows....

[@kaamosful]

+Bruce Wayne really? greeks were worse than ISIS? were they taking heads off? I am not going to present more isis atrocities here , because the comparison is unfair for the greeks and because of respect to isis victims.(oh, look, you exaggerate here just as greeks have done with the 300 story which i am sure you learnt because of the movie...btw, this terrible movie is american, not greek, but anyway) You can make a search of what a slave meant in greece. I will only point out a couple of things, the rest by your own if you really care about history. Slaves were coming from wars or it was people who had many debts and could not pay them off. Then , their social status was changing and becoming slaves, which meant they had to work at the house of someone that was belonging to another social group. If you think about it , this thing happens today as well. If someone lose all his money, even if he was a millionaire in order to survive need to work and even maybe become a servant or an employ of someone richer. If the word slave confuses you, it is because of american history...slaves were not tortured in ancient greece, the opposite, most of the times they were considered members of the whole family. I am sure there would have been people torturing their slaves, but this may happen everywhere and even today there are people torturing other people over whom they have power. There is also another aspect of this matter. Athens was so well organized that even people who was losing everything was about to keep offering to their society, even in this way. I think it is way better than today's homeless people, who lose their self dignity and they can even die and no one notice. As it concerns Alexander the Great etc....no comment, just because of respect (i am fed up with all that has been said and altered all these years)

[@ssrocksss]

there would be no 300 movies, that's it

[@omarswag]

Then theres no ”this is SPARTA"

[@jacobxiaolong9104]

There also would be no Pyrrha, that's it.

[@sethheristal9561]

THIS IS PERSIA

[@irvingc4508]

I love the caricatures, they complement the video so well haha.

[@brookssilber]

One million subs! Congrats!

[@Hallanrauta]

I really like your videos! Could you do one about what would've happened if Hannibal had conquered the city of Rome after winning the battle of Cannae?

[@farhoudfalahatimarvast1187]

Maybe we would watch this video in Persian

[@jessicaledee1563]

Thank you for this explanation

[@Nightstalker1813]

"And et cetera," otherwise a very nice video, I enjoyed it. Keep up the great work!

[@theredhunter4997]

There were much more than just Spartans at Thermopylae, the Spartans only made up about 1/4 of the force holding the narrow pass.

[@antegeia666]

what if my grandma have balls, then she will be my grandpa

[@MrMoneybags342]

Lmao best comment ever

[@user-ue6yc9kr8i]

😂σωστος

[@AbsolXGuardian]

Thanks, this helped my report on the Persian War.

[@MasterOfCydonia]

Yay, you chose my topic. :D

[@jebronlames2854]

what if china never became communist

[@mdza]

+Hall azan probably would become the world greatest power

[@stuckinaconstant7132]

+Hall azan No dying children

[@AttaBek1422]

+Hall Kazan The Chinese mainland would probably look like modern day Taiwan.

[@wu1ming9shi]

Just a continuation of bickering generals that kept taking an loosing territory, never allowing the country to heal from the endless wars that raged on and on and on. Probably another power would have arisen. You might think this is crazy but like many empires, even communism ill loose it's support of it's people one day. Tianxia is not dead, the mandate of heaven still exists.

[@anisurrahman9528]

HALLAZAN just more made in china

[@somekindofdude1130]

actually Alexander was Greek

[@rayyankhan343]

Master Kostas he was born in modern day Macedonia

[@somekindofdude1130]

Which is in Greece. In pella to be precise

[@somekindofdude1130]

The Macedonia the real Macedonia not the fyror was ionian. Go and learn some history is good for you.

[@somekindofdude1130]

Not at all. Go Google it and see your self. Go search the distribution of the Greek genders (I think this is the word) and you will see it. But wait if you mean Macedonia the fyror and the Bulgaria then you are right but Macedonia the real Macedonia was Greek and a great example is the fact that the name Alexander derives from Αλέξ and ανήρ(άνδρας) which words mean>and . Seriously go search it. It's a huge misunderstanding and many times the Greek government tried to accuse the fyror for altering the history and using the name Macedonia.

[@somekindofdude1130]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great if anyone wants to learn something here's the link to the encyclopedia he was the king if the Greek Kingdom of Macedonia and if anyone's has a different belief he must go and search it

[@persiancat2008]

Cyrus charter of human rights abolished slavery in the Persian empire. Yes, Persians cared about human rights 2500 years ago. If you don't believe me Google it.

[@BigBad-Wolf]

It was just generic propaganda.

[@asswizardofsiberia520]

BMAN488877 That's bullshit. If slaves were 'Well respected workers with homes and food', then why did the Spartans have a tradition where they would let Spartan warriors hunt slaves? They could be used sexually as well, and could not participate in Athenian democracy. Slaves were not respected, they were treated terribly. Some of them were treated well and with respect by their owners, but the truth is that most of them weren't, since they didn't have to be.

[@christiansander7517]

congratulations on 1 million subscribers

[@frostyguy1989]

IF Persia had conquered Greece? Who says they didn't? Persia learned to play the infamous squabbling Greek city-states off against one another after their military defeats. They would pay Sparta or Athens obscene sums of money to help them fight their rivals, and could enter or revoke military alliances with them on a whim if Persia felt that city was getting too powerful. By the end of the Peloponnesian War, Persia's indirect financial influence was such that Greece was an informal satrapy, where Persian satraps would attract Greek artists to beautify their cities and hire Greek mercenaries to fight in their own petty wars. True, the Greeks repelled the Persian invasions in 490 BC and 480-479BC. But Persian culture deeply influenced the Greeks, as the Greeks really respected rich, successful people like the Great King. For example, the Greeks erected monuments and trophies to their victories because the Persians did it. The victory trophy the Athenians set up after Marathon was actually a Persian trophy that was meant to celebrate the Persian defeat of Athens! How's that for irony?

[@Gameshunter3012]

frostyguy1989 If you have to pay money to make someone do anything, you're definitely not his ruler. You're his employer. -_-

[@frostyguy1989]

༼ つ◕ω◕ ༽つ WOW .....No. If you pay someone to do something for you, that makes you the employER. An employEE is the person receiving the wages in return for work done. This is basic life knowledge, how can you not know this?!

[@Gameshunter3012]

frostyguy1989 I meant employer. Fast typing and all, I made a mistake. BUT the fact that you stayed on that instead of also actually refuting the fact I offered means you don't have anything else to say. Good! You probably knew you were wrong anyway. :P

[@frostyguy1989]

༼ つ◕ω◕ ༽つ WOW The Great King didn't need to rule Greece directly. Persia's mere presence was enough to alter power in the region. Athens and Sparta were scrambling over one another for Persian patronage, because if you had Persian backing with their seemingly limitless wealth, your enemy wouldn't stand a chance. How else do you think Sparta was able to afford a navy c.400BC? Having money does mean power. Especially so back in antiquity. Back then Greece was dirt poor. You can't grow good food crops there because Greece is mostly mountains, and the soil is much too salty. The Greeks had to trade a lot for food from Egypt and the Black Sea, areas where Persia either controlled or held significant sway. There also wasn't much in the way of raw materials, except for that lucky silver vein the Athenians had. Again, you had to trade to get even decent weapons to fight with.

[@Gameshunter3012]

frostyguy1989 Again, that's not "ruling over". That's patronage. Unless the Greek "bent the knee" (figuratively, of course. There was no feudal system back then.) then they weren't ruled by Persia. If a country today seeks money and weapons from the USA, does that mean the USA rules over them? If you answered "yes" you aren't mature enough for me to continue this conversation with you and you probably believe in far fetched conspiracy theories too. If you answered "no" then you deny your own points and refute your own arguments.

[@yourmajesty1361]

The Persians NEVER enslaved anybody. If you read the Charter of Human Rights written by Cyrus the Great you would know that.

[@franknwalters]

Yes, they conquered others using flowers and honey. Persia was an Empire as all empires, and the validity of the Cyrus Cylinder is being disputed by historians for decades. Historical evidences show that Cyrus was as much of monarch as any in history. *Sorry, and don't take this the wrong way*. I have nothing against the Persians (or Iranians) or anybody.. Klaus Gallas, Historian _"The UN made a serious mistake. The UN had given the Cyrus scroll false authority."_ Tom Holland, Historian _""It's nonsense, absolute nonsense. The ancient Persians were not some early form of Swedish Social Democrats. The UN's adoption of the cylinder stemmed in part from a desire to claim some eastern roots when it is so Western in its philosophical underpinnings."_ Josef Wiesehöfer, Historian _"It was a propaganda inscription. It has become a very celebrated document, but Cyrus himself ordered it done, trying to make himself appear righteous. The real king was not more or less brutal than other ancient kings of the near east, like Xerxes, but he was cleverer."_

[@yourmajesty1361]

Your Historians are a bunch of liars. They don't have any proofs of their propaganda. Yes Indeed Cyrus the Great conquered Babylon e. g. literary with "flowers". He was welcomed as a Savior who did not kill the people nor plunder and freed the Jews from Slavery and send them to Israel. The Jews called him an Angel. Read the Torah. The Greek historians also described him as a great ruler. The Persian Empire unlike Egypt paid its workers to build e.g. Persepolis. My Source is History. Your "historians" are telling fairy tails.

[@yourmajesty1361]

The way Slavery was practiced in Greece never occurred in ancient Persia. You could not buy/sell slaves nor enslave anybody because the Cyrus Cylinder forbid it.

[@yourmajesty1361]

Also Slavery is forbidden in Zoroastrianism which was the main religion of most Persians.

[@franknwalters]

Ali Geda _"Your Historians are a bunch of liars"_ *They are not **_my historians_*. If you actually believe that the Persians conquered others with flowers, then you haven't read one single page of history. Let me ask you; The Persians went to conquer Greece with flowers? Coz history recorded something completely different. Also, All historians are aware that the Persian propaganda machine was the largest the world ever saw until many centuries later when the Romans appeared in history. Finally, The Jewish History prefaces the role of the Persians like this: _"...The Persian exile began on a positive note for the Jewish people _*_but quickly turned dark with the threat of 'holocaust' at the hands of one of history’s great anti-Semites_*_..."_ Quickly turned black... Hence what you claim, all those Angels and flowers, is the Persian side; the propaganda. The way you describe the Persian Empire, if you add some hash, more than half of the world's population, would wanna live there. Angels, flowers, freedom and hash.. So, please spare me your *glorified* view of your ancestors' past. You don't need this.. *The Persian Empire was one of the greatest empires in History, and the Persians (or Iranians) have a great history*. There're no such things as flowers, and the historians put it correctly: *_"The ancient Persians were not some early form of Swedish Social Democrats."_* It's almost a proven fact that the Cyrus Cylinder was nothing more than a part of the Persian propaganda machine. Nonetheless, correct or false, for the UN after adopting this scroll, there's no turning back. This by all means doesn't mean that the _"history"_ behind Cyrus and the scroll is correct.

[@connerforbis1466]

Loved that 300 reference in the beginning

[@oreos4843]

wow. this has made me realize I payed a lot more attention is AP World History than I thought I did.

[@colinpoo5]

The movie 300 would be a lot different

[@alpha-hl9dy]

the 300 is bullshit

[@colinpoo5]

@@alpha-hl9dy why the fuck are you answering a 4 year old comment, also no shit Sherlock

[@Duzaroo]

Greek culture is one of the dominate influences on Western thought. The idea of the individual being important mostly because of them. If Persia won and reduced Greek culture then the idea of the individual wouldn't have been as strong (at first at least), making people more focused on group thinking instead. Hypothetically this would have both bad and good implications.

[@Duzaroo]

+Ananda Johnson yes but when you narrow people's thoughts to only the greater good then you take out a lot of cultural endeavor. Shakespeare only did it for the money, and you don't get that in a more group thought society.

[@saeedvazirian]

Persia did win. Read the title. It never mentioned if who won. Persia did win. Persians never followed group thinking. They had a centralised government, but it was Greece who meddled in individual affairs. It was Iranic and Germanic peoples that respect individual thought, hence abolishment of slavery, taxation from separate individuals and religious freedom. You ironically spoke of of Western thought. Westerners are nasty group thinkers, otherwise you wouldn't have said Western thought. The Persians invented individualism as a successful venture and influenced every nation in the world with it.

[@ahmadalarif228]

How long did it take to make this video , because it's awesome

[@surveyman1]

Hi, I don't fulling agree with all of your videos, though I agree very strongly with them. This one is amazing in that you include the acknowledgment that conquerors have trouble holding large territories throughout proof of historic examples. Thank you very much. wonderful. I don't know what would happen when you ask and open up the question in your video. :) S:-:

[@ethantaylor9613]

Everything would probably be better... Seriusly the Perisans were "by our standreds" much nicer than the Greeks. The did not take slaves (exept from newly defeated people, you are correct there.) and were famously religusly tolorant. Heck, I would rather be a woman in ancient Persia than a woman even in Rome. Sure democracy would have been somwhat suffed out, but their is a case to be made that monarchy is supperior. It really bums me out that alexander was succesful; but what makes me really sad is when they were conquered by the much more regressive in most ways Arabs. If you disagree leave a comment I would love to talk about this!

[@franknwalters]

+Ethan Nunofyourbeezewax A shallow analysis. The greeks unquestionably invented (edit: invented so much in every field) and boosted every scientific field to its limits. Every field (you name it). Even the appearence of the clocks in Europe after the middle ages, is because of the 4th BC greeks (I *strongly* recomend you to see this documentary: _"The 2000 Year-Old Computer - Decoding the Antikythera Mechanism"_ even if you've seen something similar on this issue). If the persians had conquered the greeks, *none* is to say that this kind of evolution would have happen the way it happened. And if one argues that evolution can't be stopped, which is true, none is to say which path it would follow. Actually all agree that it would never happen that way... What is certain is that even if it would follow the same path, its progress would most certainly be delaied and very slow. *This is certain* only by considering this one single aspect I mentioned above; the amazing, *unseen* boosting of *EVERY* scientific field to its limits. John Stuart Mill _“The Battle of Marathon, _*_even as an event in British history_*_, is more important than the Battle of Hastings.”_ The french poet Jean Richepin is setting this more emphatically . _"The last word that will be heard on planet earth will be Greece"_ _Bury Greece at the depth of one hundred meters. Bury Italy at the same depth. Empty all of your museums all around the world. Demolish every Greek building from all over the world. Then erase every Greek word from everywhere; from your medicine, your mathematics (geometry, algebra) your physics, chemistry, your astronomy, your politics and your daily life. Erase mathematics, erase all shapes, turn the triangle into an octagon, turn the straight line to a curve. Erase geometry from your buildings, your roads, your games, your cars. Erase the name of every illness and medicine, erase democracy and political sciences. Erase gravity and turn the world upside down. Rewrite all of your books (because they're stuffed with greek words). Erase from your daily life every Greek word. Rewrite the Gospels, change the name of Christ as it's Greek as well, meaning the one who has the chrism, the confirmation. Change the shape of every temple (not having the Greek geometry). Erase Alexander the Great. Erase all of your mythical and historical heroes. Change your education and the name of History as well. Change the names of your universities. Change your ways of writing, use the Arabic. Erase your philosophy. Erase, erase, erase… In the end you will say _*_“Impossible"_*_._ That's the amazing impact of the greek civilization on our lifes, more than 2,000 years now. Of course it is possible for you to prefer to *not* have all these in your life. But tell me, besides a code the persians had about slavery (which is simply overestimated, as *the vast Persian Empire was not created using milk, honey and silk*, but weapons and bloodsheds), what exactly the persians left behind that has an impact in your life today..?

[@ethantaylor9613]

you make several very good points. I would point out that under Roman rule the greeks continued to inovate. I would also say that Zoroastrian philosophy ha impacted our thoughts on what it means to be human and modern aberhamic faiths (without the whole subujgation of women thing) frankly, the Persians did many, many terrible things, but from what I know they were far more civil one the whole compared to most if not all of their rivals including the greeks. However perhaps I mispoke when I said "everything would be better, (my mistake) What I should have said was: life would get better for the underclasses of greece, and what a modern western person would call the "good guys" would have been victorius.

[@franknwalters]

Perhaps I should mention at this point that I have nothing against the persian history, which I very much respect. _"...Zoroastrian philosophy ha impacted our thoughts on what it means to be human..."_ Yes, but infront of the greek philosophy and the whole greek view of the world, it seems like a small white dwarf (star) infront of a bright galaxy. I mean the greeks even gave human defects to their gods, and they lifted the humans closer to them rather than downgrade the gods to the human level. Sorry but that's how the comparison seems to be. _"...life would get better for the underclasses of greece..."_ As we saw on the video above, there's a small debate on how a persian victory against the greeks would affect the course of history. This on theoretical basis of course, as no one doubts the impact of the greek civilization on the world, *and* considering the fact that *life itself* eliminates what can't be tolerated while eventually is keeping what is aiding human evolution. It's important that life itself chose the greeks and no some mastermind. So what would happen if the persians were victorious against the greeks. Can the romans who did conqured the greeks give us any clue? The romans for example were too tolerant on religious issues (*and the greeks too*). The Romans admired, respected & systematically studied the greeks and the greek civilization in almost all of its aspects. Therefore it’s safe to say that they treated the Greeks much differently than how the Persians would do if they had won the battle of Marathon. Yet the romans were *ruthless* against the greeks in every attempt to revolt. On the other hand Greek & Persian civilizations didn’t had that much in common. So the Romans conquering the Greeks can’t really give us an idea as to how life would be if the Persians did that before the Romans. Also what I believe is the very important is what J.S.Mill proposes (among all the other scholars) about the greeks: _“...The interest of Grecian history is unexhausted and inexhaustible. It is an heroic poem_ (an amazing thing to say about the history of a nation, that can be explained by his next words), _of which the personages are _*_peoples_*_...”_ He sees the greek history as a poem in which the characters, the protagonists are PEOPLES, which is absolutely true. The Greek civilization *did focus on man* in all of its aspects (even in religion), it was the first one to do such thing, and it is perhaps among the most important thing the greeks inherited to us. The Persian Empire could never let all these greek achievements delivered to the world, exactly because they would *never* allow them to develop, no matter how tolerant it was. Allowing the Greeks to develop a culture of rationality, creativity, innovation, science, and artistry under Persian rule, is like getting to bed with a scorpion. *No occupier* allows its vassals to develop tools that can be used to revolt against him. And need to mention that no civilization *ever* developed such characteristics while enslaved? And why the Romans did exactly that? Because the greeks were in decline... The Greeks at the point that got conquered by the Romans, were in decline and later probably (if this can be said) felt safe in the arms of an _“admirer”_ of that magnitude. On the contrary, during the 1st Greco-Persian wars and the centuries that followed they were at their best and a very dangerous rival. They most certainly would revolt against a persian rule. *It is certain* that the Persians would be merciless with the Greeks (for many other reasons too). This means no Parthenons (with all that this represents), no democracy, no mathematics, no philosophy, no, no, no, no, no, no... The underclass could live under better conditions or not. No one knows. *We need to see this in long terms*. Also, as I said in my previous post, the vast Persian Empire was vast not because of its tolerance. Need to mention that, for example, the Ionian revolt against the Persian rule, was *exactly because* they showed no tolerance? Also the cause of both the 1st and the 2nd Greco-Persian wars, it was the Persians showing *no tolerance*. In conclusion, as most agree, life today would be unrecognizable. *Any attempt* to tell how it would be, is like trying to guess the date and time of the first alien apearence in a Man United-Liverpool football game...

[@ethantaylor9613]

fair enough, for better or worse the greeks did shape westernculture as we know it

[@xdx2653]

+Ethan Nunofyourbeezewax wtf persian army was slaves lol you are stupid

[@visionplant]

God of War wouldn't have been developed.

[@iraqlobster7678]

Informant I prefer to think that the Xerxes would be the main hero. after all kratos was kicking the olympian gods asses there so in that case.. yeah XD

[@strangeperson700]

Informant :'(

[@saeedvazirian]

Actually Persians would be happy to promote an immensely heretical game that portrays the protagonist as righteously killing the Hellenic pantheon, putting Hellenic religion into humiliation and Persian faith as superior (untouched).

[@johnstefplayzgames3896]

Cool video

[@awesomepotatoes540]

I was already subscribed to emperor tiger star.

[@mz9791]

Do what if the recinquesta never happened?

[@bijanthegr91]

Well Good sir, I can tell you were only analyzing this historical point, and not the entire Persian History. Persia, especially in the Achaemenid dynasty had practice the early form of Democracy thanks to the previous head of their dynasty, Kourosh the second, or commonly referred to as Cyrus the Great (Who also was revered by the Greeks) and he was a king who practices giving all under his rule their basic human rights, that the United States (supposedly)currently practices. So if Persia conquers Greece, it wouldn't be so Black & White as you make it out to be, Truth is nothing real bad would happen, except for slave owners would be out of a job, and this true form of democracy would be continued to play its role for a long time, maybe new cultures would rise and spread the Persian's teachings, and maybe Zoroastrians would become the major religion and there probably would be less poor people because everyone would live in homes, no one would starve or be selfish. Let's just say if Persians ruled, Donald Trump wouldn't be insanely rich, he would be equal in wealth. Though we would still have a beloved monarch, so we wouldn't have elections, well until it becomes necessary. Anyway that's my thoughts.

[@jacksonkeller4333]

A monarch with near unlimited power is not a part of a democracy, especially a monarch determined by bloodline. It sounds like the Persians were a great civilization, very tolerant, far a head of anyone else in human rights, but they were absolutely nothing like the democratic republic USA as far as governing system goes.

[@bijanthegr91]

Yeah you're right, last I checked a Monarchy(or at least Persia) would do their best to keep their people safe, and almost free of crime. However this Republic of the USA seems to be trying to dismantle the amendment rights or making it difficult to continue practicing, because well my right to bare arms seems to be slowly striped away, at least here in California. So yeah, I do love Thomas Jefferson took inspiration from Cyrus, just wish Zoroastrianism was this country's faith because how hard is it to follow these rules "Good thoughts, Good words, and Good deeds" (Pretty hypocritically on my part, because it must be hard for me) So yeah, thanks for being civil with the comment.

[@bijanthegr91]

Gustavo Larancia Alright, alright it wasn't democracy, but you have to admit their tolerant practices are the useful building blocks of a great civilization. I misunderstood the origins of how the Republic of the United States. I standby what I said about the Dynasty didn't believe in slavery, because Zoroastrians don't use slaves for their subjects, servants maybe, but at least their paid. As for POWs, I honestly would believe that they would sell them. I too doubted the cylinder was against the bill of sales of POWs, so you got me there. I also guess you could say it was wishful thinking that the technological advancement, because I have to admit without religious restriction Leonardo Da Vinci and other brilliant minds wouldn't have given us the inspiration to strive to make technologies of today. But don't forget the Baghdad battery, that was the reason I said the tech might have improve the west. Oh and the whole "No one would suffer" angle, again wishful thinking, because despite how perfect we humans claim we are, we're still humans, so corruption would always have a foothold in any society no matter how perfect we make it. Shit...I almost turned into an Emerich there, thanks for the criticism where it was needed.

[@bijanthegr91]

I totally agreed, and good invention references as well, and glad you didn't say: "Oh but those are clearly Alien inventions! you sheep" because unlike most folks, I give credit where credit is due, plus when I found out about the Antikythera device, I was stun that this was an ancient computer, that keeps track of the planet alignment and when the next solar eclipse will occur (Correct me if I'm wrong, I did read the theories behind it about 2 years ago). So I'm glad you're not so harsh when my misconceptions on Democracy and when it came up.

[@ashkankushan875]

سلام بیژن چرا اینا اینقدر نژادپرستن؟؟

[@marcusjonesey]

Please do a video about a war between Sparta and Rome, that would be so awesome and you could get lots of views

[@SuperGman117]

Oi, when are we getting fan alternate countries again? Also, what happened with that continent contest?

[@IronWarrior86]

The creators of this video are revisionists. Persia did not want to permanently occupy Greece. Only punish them for inciting revolts, and what we today consider terrorism, (burning of cities in Persia). They succeeded in doing so during the second invasion of Greece. The Persian expeditionary force won at Thermopylae, and then went on to capture the Greek "capital" (Athens). Shortly after they voluntarily abandoned Athens.

[@barthill9578]

+Iron Warrior The revolts were because the Persians invaded and stayed you moron.

[@pepinozinanasshole]

10 years of planning and over half a million troops is not a simple vengeance war, they wanted to occupy the whole of Greece for sure. After Thermopylae they got their asses kicked in Salamis, Platea and later in Mycele and so on when Greeks took matter in their own hands.

[@Hudson316]

voluntarily abandoned Athens? They sacked the city, leveled the temples on the Acropolis then left because the city was dead. The entire population of Athens had either stockaded itself at the top of the Acropolis or taken to the seas in their ships to flee the city. There was literally zero reason to stay in Athens once it was sacked. The Persians stuck around invading their way through Greece fairly happily until they lost their supply vessels at Salamis to the Athenians. They were in no way planning to leave any time soon, especially not with the Athenian fleet hanging around and the Spartans sitting back behind the wall at Corinth having suffered almost no losses.

[@saeedvazirian]

James wrong. He built Athens. Rebuilt.

[@pepinozinanasshole]

Haha Iranian troll. No Xerxes raised Athens to the ground he didnt rebuild anything

[@MarkusandRanarat2000]

Do: What if the vikings coloniced America? I know they did descover the continent, but they were only there for a litle wile.

[@dariuso2657]

You mean they were the first *europeans* to discover it?

[@MarkusandRanarat2000]

Darius P yes offcourse I forgot xD

[@HM-wi4ou]

i'mJustSharingMyOpinion Don'tHateMeForThat en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Settlement en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Settlement

[@MarkusandRanarat2000]

***** yes

[@MarkusandRanarat2000]

MetalEngulfer could you give me some?

[@johnrobinson4061]

we are learning about this, this week in school

[@stevestevens7697]

Very interesting scenario

[@imperatoraugustus9351]

Good speculation as always, I would however like to point out that there were tens of thousands of other Greeks at Thermopylae and not just the 300 Spartans.

[@Rainbow-zz9oi]

What if Ottoman conquered Vienna ????

[@rise4justice826]

Bombacı ت Mülayimت Well thank God they didn't cuz then we would have stupid people in Europe!

[@mda990]

then why do you have stupid people in Europe today?

[@mda990]

Giannis Balagiannis lol. it seems that stupidity is big problem for Europe. although they filled a huge continent with their stupids, they still have a great number of them. very sad.

[@roamingvampire2141]

Invicta has a video on the Spartan Myth, which some where in the video talks about what happened at Thermopily (most likely didn't spell that right)

[@christopherwamble2993]

Greek culture would have a subtle influence into Persian culture, just as Persian culture did during the Hellenic period of Alexander. Persia, after occupying Greece for some time, would identify talented people and migrate them to Babylon to serve as its administrative subjects. It would eventually allow the Greek city states to govern themselves under close supervision as long as they paid homage and tribute to Persia. More assimilated Greeks would have been spread throughout the empire to settle and make a living bringing with them certain aspects of their culture. Depending upon if Persia continued staying an empire towards its expansion into western europe, there would be a different kind of empire than that of Rome as we know it. One with a mix of East and West cultures, with a desire to install tribute states rather than complete cultural dominion.

[@6LUEmusic]

What if Texas stayed an independent country? What if the Northwest Passage wasn't found in the 1500s? What if the French revolution never happened?

[@Valk369]

Then Pewdiepie wouldn't be famous.

[@hokagecuh]

***** If texas stayed by itself 2 things could happen 1 mexico would attack again or america would hit it

[@cronotekk9193]

There was no northwest passage, we had to build one (Panama Canal).

[@6LUEmusic]

***** yes there was, We built that because we couldn't find it.

[@oldylad]

+Drakavus their never was and still isnt

[@amirhosseinetemad3094]

1:58 Why u paint ur dad in a history video ? not funny

[@negvey]

What is the name of the song in the background...?????

[@kobathedread]

If Persia had conquered Greece then we would never have had to bail them out so it would have been a win/win all around.

[@popalupa4844]

Ahhh... The Achaemenid Empire. My favorite empire in all of history. Also, why did the Ionians rebel?

[@basobaiouli5862]

Fun fact, I am of ionian descent. Aparently the persian empire made us help them fight their enemies and such. I can also recall learning at school that they taxes ds heavily and did not let us have democracy.

[@nadeemiqbal6646]

the governer of that province was a tyrant.

[@Joaquin546]

Popalupa they didn’t like Persians the Ionians were colonized Greeks who were sent from mostly Athens to deal with over population

[@KTA1sVidsandFacts]

I really enjoy your videos AlternateHistoryHub, however, I think it would be best if this video was remade. Namely because of the large amount of information you leave out of it. Now before I go into the subject, I understand you probably won't give this much thought (or see this comment), because it is from one of your older videos. Regardless, I will write my honest opinion about the matter, and leave as many facts as I can to illustrate the situation. Most of my information comes from Herodotus himself. Although he is not the best source on the matter, it is one of the only sources who goes in great detail over the history of this time period. I'm not insulting your intelligence, I'm just saying that you probably didn't want to explore more into this subject, because if the Persians were successful, it is more than likely that our whole history would change, like you previously stated, and since your channel specializes in alternate history, a Persian victory would make it very difficult to predict. In the video you talk about the Ionian Revolt, which is a good start, but in my opinion, not the best. I believe the best part to start would be when Cyrus the Great conquered the Lydians, and therefore gained control over the Ionian Greeks. The usual form of government in the Greek world at this time was under tyrants, and their aristocratic friends who held all the power. Therefore many of the Ionian Greek city-states would be ruled by tyrants who answered to Persian rule. During this time before the Ionian Revolt, the Persians, and Greeks got along famously, especially because of their mutual hatred towards the Scythians who raided the "civilized" world. Herodotus writes about how Darius ordered an army into Scythia (modern day Russia) by going across the Danube River to attack the Scythians. The bridge built across the river was one built by the Greeks who were enthusiastic to help the Persians with their war. When it was certain the Persians wouldn't win this fight against the nomadic peoples of the Steppe, a Scythian rider came to the Greeks, and urge them to destroy the bridge. That way they could trap the Persians north of the Danube. This would allow the rest of the Persian army to be destroyed by attrition, and by the Scythians, however, the Greeks refused, and instead destroyed half of the bridge that way no Scythian could cross, and when the Persians returned, the bridge could be quickly rebuilt. Which it was. This act of loyalty shows the Greek opinion of their Persian rulers. If it was so bad, as commonly romanticized by public thought today, the Greeks would have destroyed the bridge, and "freed" themselves from Persia. In matter of fact the reason of the Ionian Revolt was not because of growing hatred towards the Persians, but of deception itself. The tyrant of Miletus: Aristagoras instigated the revolt. He had undertaken his own failed invasion of the Island of Naxos, and in doing so knew that he would be punished by the Persians for a number of reasons. In order to avoid punishment he stoked the flames of rebellion. After the Ionian Revolt was defeated, Persia changed the way the Greeks were governed. Which was most likely due to practical nature of seeing that tyrants were not the best way. The Persians did away with the tyrants ruling over the Ionian Greeks and installed democracies in the Greek city states instead. This is all recorded in Herodotus. In matter of fact, before the Ionian Revolt, Athens had sent a diplomat to the Satrap of Asia to form an alliance between the Persian Empire and the City-State of Athens, because the Athenians feared that the other tyrant ruled Greek city-states would help their former tyrant seek revenge against them. There was also a huge group of Athenians during the first Persian invasion who wanted to submit to Persian rule. That is why after the Battle of Marathon, Pheidippides was sent back to tell Athens that they had won at Marathon, so the group of Pro-Persian Athenians wouldn't surrender the city to the Persian fleet. Even during all parts of the Greco-Persian wars there were "Medizing Greeks", who were Greeks that supported Persia, and fought on their side. The most notable example was the city-state of Thebes who fought with the Persians at Plataea. So what we have when we start before the Ionian revolt, and a full view of the history between the Greeks and Persians, is a clear view of the political situation of the Greek City-States and their opinion of the Persians. So would the Persians have been likely to hold onto mainland Greece? More than likely, in matter of fact. The whole idea of a unified Greece, only came to be after the victory over the Persians. Would democracy have been destroyed? No, as the Persians maintained democracy in their Ionian city-states, they most likely would have continued to allow democracy in other Greek city-states on the mainland that wanted to practice it. Persian rule is famous for not caring about what their subjects do (in doing so they allowed freedom of religion, and culture), as long as their subjects paid their taxes. Thus that leaves the final question. What would happen? Alexander the Great would never defeat the Persians, therefore the major powers that would develop to challenge Persia would be the Romans, Carthaginians, and the Mauryan Indians. How would Persia react towards these threats from both corners of the empire? Well, I believe that question could be best left up to you.

[@EricManzane]

I think the saddest moment of the Glorious Persian History wasn't Alexander conquests but Islamic conquests, how different the whole middle west will be if the Sassanids would have defeated the Rashidun Caliphate and remain as an independent Empire with his own religion

[@Weakbody2]

What's the music piece used in these videos?

[@danbrady3196]

Who did the artwork for your video?

[@ilovehistory5210]

To me they would have failed to conquer the celtic tribes

[@KaoikenEpicnezz]

I love History! I'm not so sure, the celtic tribes weren't unified and they mostly fought with each other . This plays in to the whole "divide and conquer" strategy that is a huge reason why the newly formed American colonies were able to conquer the Native Americans.

[@luisalmodovar6548]

KaoikenEpicnezz and because disease wiped out literally 90% of them

[@xsickxxskillzZz]

I'm still here (lel)

[@ilovehistory5210]

KaoikenEpicnezz That is true but look what happebed to Rome when they tried to take Germania

[@xsickxxskillzZz]

I love History! Thats only because a German who knew everything about the legions and was raised as a Roman betrayed his Roman general and rallied all of the Germanic tribes

[@basedbattledroid3507]

'Can We Pass?' 'No.' 300/300 Best War, would wage again.

[@funkyboy_22]

I have a suggestion for an alternate history video: What if hannibal won the punic wars?

[@Thundercide]

Read the relevant part of 'The Fifteen Decisive Battles of the World'. Though written in 1851, it has some intriguing ideas :)

[@simbajunior1992]

Persia empire was actually was one of the first multi cultural empire and was a fare ruler