What If...? Season 2 (AKA The Captain Carter Show) - A Show That Once Again Fails At Its Own Premise

[@tommyyoung9413]

Wanda spends a whole movie trying to get to a diff multiverse to get her kids, here she just opens a portal LOL

[@reedandravstudios]

My biggest gripe with the finale is how Carter can just use the stones and not have any consequences. Iron Man died when using the stones once, and Star Lord almost died just using the power stone. And the exterior suits for Carter and Killmonger that channel the stones are just part of the lazy writing, it carry’s no weight.

[@therealloomar]

Yeah, I was a bit annoyed by that too. However in all fairness, we've only ever seen them suffer when they did the snap, not just using the stones normally, and I don't know, maybe having access to the other stones can mitigate the damage the power stone does to the body? Overall it's not great, but not the worst thing ever

[@Сайтамен]

​@@therealloomar When Tony simply put them on, his suit started melting and skin started burning. Even Hulk was screaming in pain before he did the snap.

[@therealloomar]

Fair point actually. I just remember that Thanks didn't seem to be affected until after the snap, and in the last season Kilmonger had all the stones and it didn't effect him. Honestly there's so many conflicting stuff on the MCU that I lose track

[@A2906-o8q]

​@TheRealLoomar Killmonger unlike Carter did not physically touch the stones

[@Сайтамен]

@@A2906-o8q Iron Man didn't either...

[@senseweaver01]

The infinity stones are such a joke now. There was a time when the presence of the Power Stone alone was genuinely worrying because the stakes it imposed were genuinely volatile. Now, they're being used to solve a Thanos problem that didn't need to exist anyway in What If, or being used as paper weights in Loki. Those stones used to mean something.

[@therealloomar]

Yeah, like the stones was what the first 10 years of the MCU was building up to, and now they're just novelty items

[@ol4414]

At least in Loki it has been established in most marvel media that the stones only work in their original universe but in what if, a fragment of the infinity stones power is somehow better than having the full set

[@captainamerica7800]

​@TheRealLoomar You forgot the fact the the stones in order to wield even one required immense power from someone. To the point where a mere mortal would be killed If they tried wielding 6. As established in endgame. Twice referenced the stones emitting gamma radiation. Hulk nearly died just trying to hold all 6 but sharon just a super soldier wields them no problem. Bullshit.

[@hnaw1360]

Bro acting like Loki is at all comparable to anything. People complaining about Loki's joke with the Infinity stones just feels SO reachy because it has literally no greater meaning past "these guys exist outside of time itself so the Infinity Stones can't actually harm them" People treating it like its some great betrayal of their power or something is so weird when it actively doesn't make them ANY less powerful. It's literally a joke.

[@mandoo2015]

​@@captainamerica7800So glad someone said this 👏

[@venusthecoolkid9192]

captain carter was a cool character in season 1 but I can't stand her now, what if was a cool idea but crashed and exploded on its self

[@therealloomar]

Agreed

[@TheLewistownTrainspotter8102]

Honestly, does someone in the studio have a crush on Hayley Atwell? Because that's the only explanation for why they keep bringing her back.

[@whatalansaid]

What is the modern MCU if not a story of wasted potential and missed opportunities?

[@therealloomar]

I just can't believe they've messed up an anthology series. They've added more work than what was necessary and somehow they've made it worse

[@inevitable934]

I dislike how they wasted so many episodes on Captain Carter. SOrry but like in my opinion she's the weakest and most boring character. And I disliked Kahori because I watch what if to see existing things in Marvel change, characters do different things, events go differently, not some enormous spin-off in another language with nothing to do with Marvel.

[@unluckygamer692]

​@@inevitable934it defeats the point of a what if show too.

[@inevitable934]

​@@unluckygamer692 (tldr at the end) fans expected What If to be a show where very major events of the MCU changed and set the world on a different path. It's kinda like that, but instead of ansering what if questions the fans asked, it just came up with random crossovers to make hybrid and alternate characters, which is still awesome! Buuuuut when you look at all other what if characters, you notice that Carter and kahorri don't really fit this template. What if characters are meant to be an alternate version of a character, with enhanced abilities or crossed over with another hero, or the environment and mood changed. Captain Carter, was LITERALLY just Captain America but summed up in 30 minutes and cap was a british woman. There's nothing unique that comes with this blend of characters, and her powers are really just cap's, with no enhancements or extra powers. Then Kahorri ignores the template entirely. She's a completely random brand new character, who's episode doesn't feel like a Marvel thing at all, and her powers are incredibly unrealistically OP. She isn't an existing marvel character and it's not a parody of any marvel events. These two are the WORSE What If characters, and I want to punch the writers SO BAD RIGHT NOW. tldr, Carter and Kahorri aren't proper what If Characters and were undeserving of their roles in the series, and the writers made them stupidly op and needlessly important

[@hpgwellscraft]

"I understood that reference." 😂

[@thatonehamboigerdude7091]

Its so sad, because this show's animation and style is great, it just suffers from bad desisions. I mean with a premice of infinite realities, it has so much potential.

[@therealloomar]

Agreed. As I said, I was very excited about it. But the end results have not been worth it apparently

[@conyo985]

The premise has infinite realities but the writers at Disney/Marvel have limited imagination.

[@dolanpls3330]

She overpowered supremes strange because... just because? The ending was so stupid and possibly the greatest example of plot armor I've ever seen. They ruined the entire second season and Strange Supreme in one fell swoop. Shit is terrible.

[@arcadicus_ezevius]

I have absolutely never ever said any anti sjw stuff before, but now it has just gotten to the point where they're ruining so so many characters just to make women overpowered, like they're on some sort of secret agenda to get women to take over the world. It's just so disheartening.

[@arcadicus_ezevius]

Thor, odin, strange, even hela and loki in the series were garbage. All because of ridiculous plot armor Thanos, hulk, and iron man as well

[@dolanpls3330]

@arcadicus_ezevius you're right though

[@alanbejarano4940]

Many “fans” doing extreme mental gymnastics to defend this lazy writing. Nowadays Marvel/Disney is being producing shows that are just bland, uncreative and boring.

[@dolanpls3330]

@@alanbejarano4940 Facts

[@sageanimations2463]

What I hate about the second season was the absolute butchering of Strange supreme. We see an obsessed man desperately taking and taking more and more demons all for his obsession, and when he finally realized what he had just done, he begged for the first time. He begged the watcher to help him and to save christine of course the watcher threw him under the bus. And when the watcher was crawling back needing his help. Strange doesn't hesitate to help, to repent for what he had just done. Now he literally relapsed from his amazing character developement.

[@lurkyb0i602]

I know right? It’s like the writers realized: “oh no! We make an interesting character people like! Quick! Ruin him so we can give the spotlight back to Captain Carter!”

[@ronniedaloverboy]

@@lurkyb0i602thats honestly how i felt abt wanda with Wandavision and Doctor strange: mom immediately following up, they give us good characters just to throw them away in the worst ways

[@TheHearthGuy]

Wait, so let me get this straight: Kahori, who had powers created from the residual effects of *one* infinity stone, could effortless overpower and banish away Infinity Killmonger who had the power of all Six infinity stones?... How do you misunderstand both math and power creep that badly? Edit: Wow things are getting a bit heated down there. I didn't even say anything about "The message" or whatever.

[@therealloomar]

I mean yeah, that about sums it up

[@Johnathan-swift]

Two words: main character

[@dolanpls3330]

This was the biggest crock of shit in the entire season, it would stand to reason killmonger could have and WOULD have stopped time right there. But yet again "muh female power" glad I pirated this season.

[@t84t748748t6]

yes because scarlet witch and captian marvel could overpower thanos both got residual effects of one infinity stone also infinity stones are very inconsistent

[@JingJongJimmy]

⁠​⁠@@dolanpls3330So you’re saying that if that specific character who was OP was male instead of female, then they wouldn’t have had him easily overpower Infinity Killmonger? Yeah becuase they didn’t make multiple male characters too OP as well. You’re so cringe and creepy lmao.

[@gman42002]

Peter Quill was half guard and still needed help from the other guardians just to hold the power stone. The captain Carter is allowed to have all the stones implanted in her chest through a suit because girl power? One whole cattle, five stones nearly lost his arm Killmonger can have all the stones because he’s cool. They called it what if because they knew no one would watch “the captain cater show”

[@Anonyomus_commenter]

She was wearing the infinity armour which was designed to let someone wear the infinity stones

[@Saim-q9b]

but how did carter punch strange with all six infinity stones in her hand with no protection

[@MBZ901]

​@@Saim-q9b the canonical explanation is that Kahhori was shielding them

[@ohkal1067]

Kahori

[@banman0725]

@@Saim-q9bgirl Power

[@EL_INDORAPTOR]

The last episode was horrible Specially the part when Carter takes the power of all the infinity stones with her bare hand, that was so stupid Tony Stark “Prime” died because he was a human trying to hold the power of the universe, and now Captain Carter just takes the infinity stones as if they were nothing Also, Strange Supreme being more powerful than the infinity stones is inconsistent, last season he wasn’t able to overpower Infinity Ultron And as you said, for some reason other random objects of the MCU are somehow powerful than the infinity stones

[@AutumnAprodithe]

Maybe it's because of the serum?

[@YusafAnimations]

​@@AutumnAprodithebros forgetting when hulk got his arm burned to crisp just by wanting to snap his finger 😂

[@AutumnAprodithe]

@@YusafAnimations But iron man snapped and didnt lose his arm I assume

[@YusafAnimations]

@@AutumnAprodithe he died 💀💀

[@natto4now]

What if disney had good writers

[@medievalcatguy6776]

_impossible_

[@Thesafechemist]

@@medievalcatguy6776darling, you have no idea what’s possible

[@Сайтамен]

Writers: What if...the MCU had a completely different storyline and characters and one of them went evil for unknown reasons? Yeah, that's a great idea for what if show!

[@notster7114]

The worst part of this show is that they create a concept for the mcu that allows them to explore infinite ideas and create interesting stories with any of the existing characters where they can even kill off anyone because there are no consequences for what happens in each individual universe because we'll never see it again and yet they absolutely refuse to take any storytelling risks, kill any characters, or even just create an interesting story with existing characters, season 1 had alot more potential in this regard with the hank pym yellowjacket and strange supreme stories but even by the end of that season they whiffed their own idea

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

It’s not just that, it’s the fact that it’s MCU Related. Which kinda misses the point of “infinite possibilities” and all that.

[@WeirdoLAD63]

So many possibilities for good stories. For my taste, the butterfly effect could have been used here. Change one small thing in the story and show us what would have happened if...

[@therealloomar]

I mean that's supposed to be what the show is about Instead they keep pushing Captain Carter and connected storylines

[@maximogallardo1841]

Pls!! I've been waiting for an episode like that for 2 seasons now

[@anakinskywalker2472]

Wait so the hulk cant wear iron mans infinity gauntlet without it burning his skin but captain Carter can wear an entire suite with all the stones with no side effects?

[@balu2567]

consume the product

[@WillWilliams420]

​@@balu2567 "and then get excited for next product"

[@ronniedaloverboy]

Consume

[@balu2567]

@@ronniedaloverboy yuck no

[@ronniedaloverboy]

@@balu2567 consume you heathen

[@comicfan1324]

Don’t get me wrong, I actually like Captain Carter. But I do think she takes up too many episodes. I’m happy seeing her once or twice a season, but if they’re going to make this many episodes about her, why not just give her her own own spinoff show? That way you can have a series focusing on her ongoing adventures and explore how her presence would change the timeline, and what can focus on other characters who don’t get the spotlight as often in this series; like Hulk, Captain Marvel, Hawkeye, Black Widow, SPIDER-MAN, etc. It’s like you said, if they want to tell stories with her, why not just give her her own show?

[@tytebben]

She was only in 3 f*** episodes

[@therealloomar]

For an anthology series, that's 2 too many

[@andrewbertrand3086]

might as well complain that the watcher or strange supreme is in too many episodes@@therealloomar

[@youtubeyoda6923]

@@andrewbertrand3086the watcher is literally the person that shows the stories

[@cheeseburgersuperior1874]

​@@andrewbertrand3086 you really have no idea what a what if is. lol.

[@A2906-o8q]

Great video man , i share alot of your opinions, they pushed Carters story too much and had a total disregard for power scaling and what they have built up in the years to come

[@therealloomar]

Yeah, it seems like they've kinda given up on doing What If and instead wanna have Carter just go to different universes

[@TheDeviousBandit]

@@therealloomarshes a mary sue like rey from sw

[@A2906-o8q]

@TheRealLoomar exactly and it makes no sense, because they already gave her a series which was Agent Carter

[@ielohim2423]

The M She U at it again.

[@GadelyvaAram]

You're a man of wisdom. These people justifiying all this lazy writing, breaking their own rules, it's like they're all lawyers of Marvel. Some of these episodes just seems written by kids playing with their legos, joining different pieces, and creating weird stories.

[@inferior3199]

Meh I think you were being too generous when talking about stuff that isn't the multiverse crossover stuff. The series gives fanfiction vibes.

[@therealloomar]

I'm not saying they're perfect, but at least it's showing a single, contained story showing us how 1 change can drastically alter the MCU timeline. Ya know, the point of the show

[@inferior3199]

@@therealloomar It is sad how it fails the concept which I already thought was an awkward choice since the MCU is way smaller than the Marvel comics so it doesn't have that many stories to transform before it gets ridiculous

[@therealloomar]

Exactly. The MCU is the most popular thing they have, but it also only has a small fraction of the content that is part of Marvel, so the What If stories would be more easy to manage

[@EditoroftheT-force]

My biggest problem with the finale is this. Strange supreme was the most interesting character. And then the writers choose to kill him and make Carter the protag

[@Remix-pr4xd]

Wait you’re telling me both Tony Stark and Hulk couldn’t handle the power of six stones but Captain Carter can?

[@Theology.101]

I just don’t understand why Strange couldn’t just grab the Infinity Stones from each timeline to make his own, leaving everyone the fuck alone and chilling

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Captain Carter would still beat him with her WAMEN powers. She's a Mary sue

[@Theology.101]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp what does that have to do with my comment?

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@Theology.101 Writers won't let Socerer Supreme Strange stop being evil, and they won't stop having Captain Carter save the day. Basically making her the main character in this anthology series. You ask too much of these writers.

[@stefan3597]

​@@DavidMartinez-ce3lpyou just seem too hate filled to enjoy anything. Take a break from marvel and reflect on if you should focus your life so much on somethink that makes you feel like this

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@stefan3597 I'm not hate filled. I'm passionate. Don't like seeing Marvel be ruined by Disney.

[@gtcproductions4097]

They really turned this into the Captain Carter show at the end.

[@vegeta1857]

How a depowered Hella was beating strong asgardians and giving odin competition? Then of course she beats Odin after getting her power back. Smh.wats even worst is captain carter and black widow punch loki who was whooping captain america in the first avengers and went toe to toe with Thor. Or how bout carter going toe to toe with Thor. Like wtf is happening. Is marvel forgetting the rules and powerlevels of certain character's just so disney can haVe new powerful disney princess superheros. This season was poorly written and all over the place. At this point, why werent new characters introduced. Im tired of the same old marvel cast.

[@voidtempering8700]

Every character is amped well beyond what they realistically should be. Black Widow and Hawkeye taking attacks that should kill them. Same with characters like Killmonger and the Wakandans. The human fighters are much stronger than normal humans would normally be.

[@yojase]

anything in the multiverse is possible you wrote that whole thing for nothjng

[@ForgottenHonor0]

Gonna be honest, the only episode I enjoyed pretty thoroughly in this season was Episode 2. Seeing an '80s iteration of the Avengers was pretty cool, Peggy was Peggy and not Captain Carter, it was stand-alone, and I liked the idea that Hope and Peter could connect over the loss of their mothers. My only critique is it could have been fleshed out more, but it's a What If episode so they have to condense a lot. Frankly, I wouldn't mind if they turned this episode into a full blown animated movie!

[@lylewilson6493]

6 days late.. Only finished this season, I liked that episode too and also the fact that they brought South African actor Atandwa Kani back to play the younger King T'Chaka reprising his role from the first Black Panther.. My only question though is how did Peter shrink with Hank as he had no suit on and Hank just held his hand.. Didn't quite get that so it threw me off however it was the best episode in the season..

[@ellabaskin7685]

I liked Tony with the Grandmaster and 1602 (also Happy svaung Christmas)

[@anymaru]

Put a chick in it, and make it lame!

[@indiajohnson]

That's the only episode I wanted to watch from this season, and I've recently watched it thrice already. I also live for the few scenes of Bucky in this and other episodes (but I just mostly use KZbin for that).

[@coolbeans3752]

If I'm being honest, I wish this was set up against another Multiversal threat instead of Strange. It should've been DOOM. They wasted Supreme Strange. And Kahhori

[@apurbanaskar2240]

Stan Lee was the spiritual guide for MCU. But after his death and Endgame MCU doesn't have that optimism and efforts they had back then.

[@videon6134]

You can blame partly Kevin feige for the decline.

[@apurbanaskar2240]

@@videon6134 of course, procrastination hit him like isekai truck after endgame. And he lost his two driving force, RDJ and Stan.

[@permafrost8322]

My problem with modern marvel is one consistent across almost all the new projects. They cannot make anything new that is good, so they mock and defame each of characters and concepts in an attempt at gaslighting the audience into liking whatever dumpster fire has been put out. I.E. Hulk in She-hulk, Infinity Stones and Loki in Loki, Thanos in What If, Hawkeye in his show, even Nick Fury is a joke now.

[@eveningswan4491]

My biggest complaint with this series is, why have a continuing story in a series that is supposed to be what if this hero did this give us a opposite outcome from the films.

[@thejworks07]

Woman if season 2 They are definitely going to cram Carter into a live action show and sadly watch How in the name of hell is the Indian female who is powered by the space stone even in that fight 😂😂😂 Zombie Wanda should've obliterated her😂 Shits getting wild

[@emeraldpichu1]

Remember, when being exposed to the raw power of a stone was an experience that few can bear, and even fewer were compatible enough with cosmic power to actually gain abilities from exposure and to the rest it was a death sentence, Pepperidge farms remembers.

[@whomilloo]

glad to know i wasn’t the only one annoyed by Captain Carter taking up too many episodes, like we still haven’t even gotten a Wanda episode wtf

[@whomilloo]

i’m 99% sure Wanda and Strange Supreme are traveling between alternate timelines, not parallel universes like America Chavez can

[@Zer0__P0int__]

The last episode was more like the plot for a What If-themed ride at Disneyland or something. I genuinely expected the “multiversal ensemble” instead of what we got because it literally feels pointless knowing we got told all those other stories only for two of them to end up being canon in the final episode. Just please, Season 3. Fix this up.

[@therealloomar]

I just don't see the point in doing cross-over events. Just show individual stories. Shoe us the potential of the multiverse. Don't just show us a limited amount of stories and then cross them over with each other

[@xeno6642]

How the hell was Captain Carter able to use the stones without taking damage.

[@medievalcatguy6776]

She has something the villains don't have, (plot armor)

[@xeno6642]

@@medievalcatguy6776 even Thanos took damage with a gauntlet that was created for the purpose of holding the stones, plus she is human yeah she superhuman but still human.

[@syenous2454]

@@medievalcatguy6776 Killmonger was also able to use the stones and he was a villain so I guess both sides have plot armor

[@oski4022]

captain carter it's just so uninteresting. she's a female steve, there's nothing else to her character. same with kahhori, she's so boring lol. there's characters with stoick nature like captain america or superman that can work, but it's a really special case in which you have to be a good writer. kahhori's just boring, in which world would you introduce an original character in a main role in a show about what if's? at least she was not annoying. yeah, the _actual_ what if stories were decent, but they're so boring and specific that i can't get interested on them. i wanted the butterfly effect, these stories are already different from the main mcu. and why is the hulk losing to purple happy.

[@Alertchase]

I really loved the Kahori origin episode. But i dont like her power scalling in last episode.

[@cringydinosaur635]

Remember when Tony use the stones and died because it? While Carter use them with no problem? Thanos lose an arm for using them, how is this woman is capable of using 6 in one punch without fucking dying in the process?

[@batguy39]

This shitshow couldn't be saved from the real universe killer: the MSHEU

[@Hametsu-2000]

yeah, they ruined it, but then again it was probably already ruined from the start. it is the captain carter show, what if started with her and ended with her. honestly, the best episode in the whole show for me was the avengers assembling in the 90's. it had nothing to do with carter or strange. had Antman, goliath, black panther, Thor, winter soldier, Kurt Russel's ego, and also, peter and hope bonding over their mother's favorite music was actually very heartwarming and heartbreaking. it really made that episode stand out over the idiotic, moronic, lazy, and character breaking muck. these writers just come up with the laziest ways for their heroes to win. oh, uh, lets just give captain carter all the weapons we can so she can beat the evil bad man just trying to bring back his universe. they don't seem to understand that there are rules even in the multiverse. wasn't it implied in Loki that taking the infinity stones out of there universes/timelines makes them useless and worthless? that's why they used them as paper weights. so, technically by that logic, Ultron threating the multiverse shouldn't have happened and if it did, watcher should've contacted his boss, to send somebody to deal with that sh#% instead of leaving it to a bunch of weak humans from different universes, who could honestly care less, it's not their problem and all the times the watcher could've helped, he didn't, so why help him? nothing in this show makes any sense and they just go with whatever they think fans would like to see without even thinking about the damage it could do and has done to their stories. also, there are other watchers besides the one from what if. they all monitor their own universe, why the hell is there only one watcher observing the multiverse? also he broke his oath in the first season so, the others should've hunted his a$$ down and erased him. what if... is a total sh#%show with no imagination, no creativity, no understanding of what is outside the box of mediocrity. with potential and infinite possibilities, they instead choose to focus on an overpowered female Captain Britain to appease the modern woke BS agenda. I am not interested in a 3rd season of this show, it's just gonna be more BS that's gonna aggravate me, so I'm done. I'm gonna go watch Avengers: earth's mightiest heroes now to wash my eyes out of this travesty. good day.

[@sebastiancortez781]

I thought the Kumori episode was entertaining except for the fact that she was a complete Disney character. In the first day that she went to the new world, she immediately became far more powerful than the people who have been there for centuries or maybe even millennials, and she became superior to them IN A DAY!!! Also most of the episodes were rushed and extremely poorly written, so I hated season 2 even without the fact that it engaged into a multiversal conflict.

[@maximogallardo1841]

Say what you want but at least in Season 1 infinty ultron actually felt scary and menacing

[@raven3067]

We could have gotten a What If scenario with Spider-Man. But instead they had to focus on the “female power.”

[@emeraldpichu1]

Only Sony can make TV shows. They only have partial rights to make movies in conjunction with Sony but even then they could’ve tried it would’ve probably ended up better than this.

[@Waashoe]

spiderman 🤩🤩🤩 women 🤮🤮🤮

[@jonathanwilliams9359]

Thank god I’m not the only one who noticed. They just made the women the most powerful people, and of course they don’t explain how, they just are, cause everyone knows that women are just plain better.

[@mrBluesky1986]

FINALLY someone else is talking about this, good job

[@frenchtxny]

14:53 the Darkhold probably made her think that she couldn’t do that because it just makes you think and do violent stuff, like killing everyone, and this is also a different variant, so not everything is the same. Wanda Merlin has more knowledge and 616 Wanda has more power.

[@robo-nidai4236]

Wait. I just remembered something. In both Multiverse of Madness and parts of this season, they made a big deal about how people from one universe cannot stay in an alternate universe or else the universe will start collapsing on itself. In the finale of the first season, the Watcher allowed the Natascha of the robot apocalypse reality to enter the universe of the third episode. So by the logic of what we were told, the Watcher just doomed that entire universe. ...My dude. You should stick to your oath of non-interference.

[@therealloomar]

Yeah, I mentioned that in my previous video I did on the first season of What If...? No one seems to know the rules for MCU multiverse travel

[@ThisisDaniel]

Nice analysis. I wanted to enjoy this series so badly. However, it's evident the Marvel creatives lack the writing talent to produce anything exceptional. I alternated between being bored, falling asleep and maximum eye rolling at the unfunny quips.

[@Ocelot835]

Couldn't bring myself to watch the second half of first season, I really hated how they executed most of premises especially with Captain Carter. Not gonna lie there was some episodes I did liked but I just wished they were not part of MCU because of how outrageously they broke the canon rules of even how their own Multiverse works. Due to that don't have any interests for second season or upcoming third one and according to your video I'm not missing much. If they butchered things like Gaiman's 1602 into another episode of Captain Carter wacky misadventures, why should I even care?

[@therealloomar]

Yeah, it's very clear that for the multiverse stuff, everyone is doing their own thing, and as such the rules are all over the place A lot of season 1 is ok at best, but I did really like the Doctor Strange one I think with season 2 they've just gone out of their way to make sure that it had an overarching story first and then individual stories second

[@Ocelot835]

@@therealloomar C'mon everyone loves Dark Strange! In all discussions around What If I can't remember any negative criticism about this particular episode, only some small remarks. It has easy to follow but narratively strong premise about the hero obsession that destroys everything, without Whedon's style humor or other heroes cameos to intervene. If only we had more episodes like that...

[@joseiyai5219]

Ah the "NEW" woke marvel is very very SHIT

[@Warbird1984]

I wish they move away from mcu characters and start using unused characters in the comics though I understand that there might be complications like if they use a character not shown yet in mcu, the writers would then have to adapt the versions of characters in what if into mcu if they would like to use them in the movies and writers would be like, we can’t do that because in what if she/he was like this and that.

[@Luc42]

I also hate the Hela episode. Odin sends her to Earth so she can learn mercy and because he wants to stop his conquest. She learns mercy (because reasons I don't know/care about) and then Odin shows up to, what, resume his conquest? What?

[@JabamiLain]

Yeah, no arguments there, pretty terrible part.

[@CoolSmoovie]

Marvel: Do y’all like Captain Carter yet? We’ll do ya? Do ya? Do ya????

[@Lechonk_Supremacy]

The Captain Carter show folks. They glaze for 50 minutes and act like she’s the second coming of the Masiah 💀

[@akeelyaqub2538]

Does marvel not understand that the concept of "what ifs" are one off stories that cant be done in the main timeline. Its an opportunity for a writer to tell a completely unique and different story and yet the mcu just turns it into yet another crappy multiverse plot. The multiverse stuff didnt land with audiences, most people hate it and even other IPs make joked about it but marvel is still pushing it so adamantly.

[@isaiahhaley4816]

tbh i was left so disappointed with season two and its mainly because of her relationship with steve like there trying so hard to make us feel sympathy for them as if we havent seen endgame and it shit ass ending like they ruined two of there own characters carter was fine and honeslty was one of my faves early on the mcu and steve was a person who acted on the better of the people but now they completly destoyed them when steve left bucky for carter who was long dead for nearly a decade and reusing all of steves attributes through carter making her unoriginal like magority of steves character was wanting bucky back all three movies were about his journey through him with winter soldior been the prime of there relationship implying there "friendship" to be something more even chris said that there story was a love story and we see how there happiest when with eachother and carter was such a great character in her own spin off and even had a life of her own but marvel had to ruin both of them because they didn't want steve to be bi like at this point you should've just killed him off honestly that would've been better then the shit ending we had with him or better yet take bucky with him like theres no reason he could't have taken his friend with him to there time marvel went so down hill after endgame to the point they ruined characters like thor which makes me scared for spider man thank god marvel doesn't have full rights to him because hes is if not the best marvel character to date what if had potential but in marvel fashion it was ruined...

[@Sorrus-B4lyfe]

… I like the idea of Hela redemption arc. That was the ONLY interesting episode. Meanwhile, Assassins Creed 3 came out AGAIN and I had no idea what was happening or what show I was watching. That’s it.

[@noobmasterruben5167]

Omg, thank goodness I didnt watch the rest of this season and only stuck with ep 2 & 4. I did like the idea of 80s avengers and the return of Hela but to find out that the writers prioritized Capt Carter is just so infuriating 🤬. Oh well there's always Deadpool 3

[@skeleton819]

I really dislike the high stakes in this show. The idea of this show is just about parallel universes with their own conflicts and issues, not some grand all-encompassing threat. I hate how the MCU and Star Wars just try to keep up-scaling with the conflicts. Its ok to make a conflict reside in a more reserved area and not have grand consequences

[@therealloomar]

I perfectly agree with this. It's what annoyed me at the end of season 1. There's so many stories that could be continued (The Wakanda - America War, The Zombie Infestation) but they keep wasting time and plot points on crossover events

[@daiblo.dshadow]

I just dont like or care about Carter.

[@pingumon3581]

It's the inconsistencies of mcu that annoy me. You're totally right in this video. Captain Carter's character re-appearing these many times made me roll my eyes. And it's not even like they're pushing "female heroes" as people like to cry about. Kahhori's episode was great. Write a good consistent character and people would love that! I hated how they portrayed Natasha in these episodes, like give us more of her maybe? How about giving us more of wanda maximoff? Like damn give us more of mantis, I loved nebula and hela's episodes respectively. I can't see captain carter other than the female version of steve rogers. In season 1 it was just what if? Captain America peggy? And season 2 was just what if? Winter soldier steve? Lost potential truly. Like its just lazy writing atp.

[@murrdurr5830]

He does bring up a good point that will probably never be brought up again: how DID Strange Supreme find/create the Sanctum Infinitum? And what is the Forge? And why did the WATCHER, who OBVIOUSLY would’ve seen Strange go into other universes, do NOTHING (I know it says he can see the future blah blah blah) Look, as a Strange Supreme fan, this finale pissed me off. I honestly think that a better series would’ve been about the variants we see IN Strange’s Sanctum, and how he escaped his universe, and how he found/built the Sanctum Infinitum, and how he trapped these people, and how he found the Forge, and why he didn’t just go for LITERALLY ANYONE ELSE IN THE MULTIVERSE BESIDES KAORRI AND CAPTAIN CARTER. Its over, cant wait for Captain Carter: Season 3 though!!

[@PersonallyPerhaps]

9:53 the final is absolutely DOG SHIT and is so lazy and annoying that they couldn’t even make up a difference excuse that HAD TO REUSE what season 1 did already.

[@matthewphillipsbetts8470]

Also in strange's defence, he was heavily influenced by the demonic presence he once absorbed, inspite of poor timing on mentioning that.

[@imposter9442]

I cant explain why but thor felt very weak in the episodes even when he is shown to be powerful

[@MrSergiopg18]

Marvel really loves captain carter

[@romanrodriguez4330]

What if Red Skull took over Wakanda…. What if Hawk Eye sacrificed himself instead of Black Widow? What if Steve Rogers never crashed? What if Kill Monger’s dad never died? What if Daredevil never mutated and Kingpin ran the City? What is Wanda never lost her Brother? What if Peter Parker got moved to New Kersey and Met and. Marvel? These are story lines that could have been used in place of more Captain Carter….

[@MaeKO123]

New Kersey?

[@Savage-nv6wr]

Every episode felt like a feminist fan fiction bullshit ! I now see why people keep calling it the m she u

[@JabamiLain]

Even the one in Sakaar and the one from the "80's Avengers" ?

[@ggrarl]

I expected the show to be rubbish, but I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.

[@therealloomar]

That's because nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition

[@joseiyai5219]

I really hate how they just nerfed infinity kill monger, like khaori *literally* teleported him out of his infinite suit like what that's so lame bro, like honestly just kill him already at that point its a lazy story making and i really hate how capten carden(the Main character of the show) just picks them up like little pebbles i really hate the finally of that episode 😡😡😡

[@WinterPhoenix]

This season is basically Women Strong. Men weak

[@JabamiLain]

Even the "80's Avengers" and the one between Tony and Gamora (not gonna account for the Christmas Special) ?

[@labgoat6787]

I actually quite enjoyed the multiversal collab in Season 1; it felt like an actually well-constructed and earned setup. Season 2 as just stuff happening just because.

[@tyroneford-ru7iw]

Almost made a channel just to talk about how crazy extra they made her. I liked the fights, but why so much Carter!!!! ( jackie chan voice)

[@TheArcher101]

Out of curiosity, how would you redo the 1602 episode so it's more self-contained to its own thing? And how would you redo the finale so it's more consistent with everything and everyone else?

[@jtfbreedlove]

At best you could argue that the stones are weakened outside of their own universe, if Loki didn't establish that they are *powerless* outside of their native universe.

[@PNWLiving1725]

Yeah, I feel like they are ruining Captain America's character by pushing the female version. And also falcon, so tired of it.

[@tannerthunell6228]

I think they pulled a Wanda on doctor strange, they have someone they want to bring back, need a girl to get it, travel the multiverse, and they both are being corrupted by dark forces so you could argue it’s not them actually being evil, oh and they also sacrifice themselves at the end.

[@tannerthunell6228]

Oh yeah, they also both go back on their previous character arcs of not being evil.

[@brandomilana]

I have no problems connecting a whole season in one arc my problem is that disney loves making female lead all over again like they always make male character a joke like Supreme Strange, and What If should at least tell a story about mutants, Inhumans etc.

[@cliffpostell508]

More like the Mary Sue What If. Ugh. Kathleen, you guys can have Marvel and Star Wars. We've checked out!

[@jeremiahbruce7915]

I just didn't watch anything that had captain carter in it besides the hydra stomper

[@ayushgupta1823]

Yeah agree with the lot of thing you mentioned but keep in mind that this season was written during march to oct 2020 so writers didnt know about Multiverse of madness. However the plot is still dumb.

[@hankscorpion9939]

Totally agree. So many problems with this show. Hela, Nebula, Kahorri and Sakaar episodes okay. But the rest actually annoyed me, for the reasons you outlined

[@Andy58025]

The watchers powers were inconsistent in season 1 too. Sees the future and knows all the stories of the multiverse litterally didn't know infinity ultron became a multi ersal cosmic being till he was narrating him looking directly at him.

[@Timmy-y2w]

I agree animation is top-notch I wish all of American animation look this good but the story is garbage it's always pushing an agenda and I'm sick of it I think one of the worst ones was the one with hella

[@Howlabunga]

Kahori is modern Disney's poster child. Its like everyone who runs Disney wants every character to be like her.

[@toybirdy]

I thought zombie wanda got killed by infinity Ultron in season 1 finale. i guess the writer's forgot about that.

[@therealloomar]

Either that or a re-used asset. I mean, it is the multiverse. But yeah if it's the same one then idk

[@ThePizza3d]

And don't forget her appearing in the marvel zombies show, although that'd be a variant or even a prequel or something

[@Nomomoking]

A british helping Native people... brainwashing

[@nathanschulist1197]

It's so wird to me that, of all the characters in what if that they could have focused on more, that they didn’t choose to put the most focus on Kahhori, the 100% original character created by the show. Instead they put all the focus on the character with the least original stories in the series

[@JonborgVA]

Im still lost on how Dr Strange freed himself from having to cage the two dudes fighting

[@therealloomar]

Plot baby

[@JonborgVA]

@@therealloomar its so frustrating

[@aaronjackson8204]

My two gripes with the season is Captain Carter in the finale, basically shown as the chosen child instead of Kahori, and how Strange regressed from season 1. Strange lost everything trying to play God, and get his love back, and yet he learns nothing from his fight with Ultron. I don’t understand.

[@anandagovinda6419]

Seeing current MCU, I won't even question on why they decide to let Cpt. Carter and Kahhori takes all the spot light But why did they really have to butcher Strange Supreme that way?! They could've used him to expand the story more and they decide to kill both him and his redemption arc in just an episode 😢

[@Payload82]

You have a gold mine of ideas for what if but they don’t seem to be using them to it’s full potential. I would be interested what if Hydra won world war 2 and controlled the world war or what if Avengers where evil.

[@PersonallyPerhaps]

I hated the ending Strange Supreme was my favorite character I hate that they turned he into the villain. It was lazy and stupid it was so bad.

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

I feel like with What If you need to have stronger stories that stand by themselves. I'm not a big fan of What If just being a way to introduce alternate versions of characters to multiverse story, especially if we're going to see "What if Peggy Carter was in the MCU and did stuff that fans care about?" People care about Peggy, but in the same way that they care about Tracer. They don't care about Peggy as a character, they care about hearong her British accent, drooling over her being a girlboss, and shipping her with Steve. She had her own show, was a big part of the first Captain America movie, and appeared in The Falcon And The Winter Soldier, but people still don't care about her as a character. Dressing her up in a superhero suit for a cheap cheer from the audience over and over again is just embarrassing.

[@takaw.d8486]

remember when the stones power never worked in other worlds and timelines?

[@rokblades3532]

While i dont agree with everything you said i can agree about the missed pontential in this series. like the creative potential is huge and can make great storys. And also the thing with carter and how she is the main character of the show is pretty much dead on, while i liked both of the episodes about carter i felt like her story should have ended on that fifth episode in season 2 becuase the only reason why she would even be in 1602 is to give her another moment with steve on how they cant be together which i think the fifth episode soildly stated. And if there is a theme in this season it would be about carter and steve and how they cant be with eachother becuase thats what they Focused on for 3 episodes with the finale being about doctor strange and he thought carter would understand how he felt about losing his love if his life. Like come on we get it steve and peggy cant be with eachother. BUT WAIT! In the 1602 episode if i remeber Correctly carter or steve says that they cant be with each other in any world. BUT AT THE END OF INFINITY WE KNOW THAT THEY END UP WITH EACHOTHER AND GET THEIR HAPPY ENDING. I like the character but they want to push her so much as a main staple in marvel, just give her, her own show because why is she taking up slots on the season just to tell her story when we could have a story about spiderman becoming celestial. I would take that over a carter episode any day

[@eivorvarinson2298]

The fact that they forgot spider man and made a forgettable character the main character

[@JC_Cali]

" A quarter of What If? has been dedicated to Captain Carter" - that's pretty much the only line you need to say to damn (i.e. crittisize) this how. Not because of Captain Carter ( I am genuinely entertained by her character/actress), but because they're devoting so much time to making "Fetch" happen... how many other native American-like impactful stories did we miss out on because they're s obsessed with connecting everything? ugh, what wasted potential (though I am still very much enjoying much of the show!)

[@TheUnmitigatedDawn]

I feel the writers are just simps for Hayley Atwell and decided to make this show have as many episodes about Carter so that they could ogle at her during production.

[@therealloomar]

To be fair I'd simp for her too. She's aged like fine wine

[@GrimTheDestroyer]

I am now just learning that What if has a season 2, and as i expected, it was wokified.

[@therealloomar]

For a marvel project, it does seem like the promotional material for this season has been very non-existant

[@stefan3597]

You cant just call everything you dislike or that challenges your beliefs woke and think that that is a compelling argument.

[@bandawin18]

​@@stefan3597oh please, the entire thing is just "look at these women, they're so strong and brave". If that ain't woke then what the fuck is? Everything woke goes to shit, as evident in the current state of the MCU

[@fro7e891]

@@bandawin18🤓

[@bandawin18]

@@fro7e891 look out guys, we got the MCU's funniest fan over here

[@s1mpleenigma311]

Well it is called What If because they know that no one will watch The Captain Carter show